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Murdered on the Arctic by climate deniers (or Greenpeace maybe?)

… and those with scientific evidence don’t need “names and addresses” instead. Eh?

Two Dutch Arctic Ice researchers were sadly presumed lost last week. You, silly fool, may have thought it was an unfortunate accident in a dangerous profession. Not so, according to “Schatzie” they were viciously murdered by an unlikely cohort of Obama and at least 24 named “climate change deniers”.  While “motive”, “means” and “opportunity” are a little thin on — premeditated intent is surely there: skeptics benefit from the PR storm about researchers dying on thin ice…  oh wait.

Anyway, those responsible for heating the planet are also all murderers, which pretty much narrows down the guilty to anyone who breathes, double for those who drive, and in the end, Mr Al Gore emits a lot of CO2, right?  Indeed, blame the Pacific Ocean, it releases more carbon than even Al does.

Schatzie is looking for names to add to her list.

I ask you to submit the names of known (or even little known) climate change deniers and those responsible for heating up our precious planet.

Who is responsible for heating up the planet? I dug deep to find the real culprits:

  • All anti-nuclear protestors. (Think how cold the world would be if coal fired stations were replaced with nuclear ones? Think!) Get Greenpeace.
  • NASA — they produced the vehicles with the worst fuel economy on the planet*. None of their spaceshuttles were carbon neutral.
  • Jail James Maxwell. Imagine how cold (and safe) the Arctic would be without electricity?
  • Mr Sun.

The killers at Greenpeace

Not only have Greenpeace set back nuclear power by decades, they stopped the atmospheric bomb tests.  Surely nothing humans have done before or since could cool the planet as effectively as radioactive dust and ash in the stratosphere? Indeed, the world was cooling in the 1960s when the bombs were exploding, but lo, as the bombs stopped, the world started warming. Imagine how cold the Arctic would be if the Russians were still popping the megatonners in the Arctic stratosphere? It would be as cold, and safe, as the Arctic ever was.

Until then, we suggest researchers head to the Antarctic, where there is lots of cold and no one ever gets hurt.

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PS: What has really been murdered is the English language, polite debate, and science. Let’s show some respect for the fallen, and stop nakedly politicizing their deaths. Just a thought.

 *For pedants. The fuel economy of the shuttle was around 800mpg [gpm "gallons per mile"] in the atmosphere. In space, the shuttles get much better fuel economy, but that’s off the planet. Who cares about CO2 released to space? (More is better, right?)

 Thanks to Bemused, Jaymez. Oz, Ceetee for the mpg correction to gmp. Yes, rather!

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UPDATE: It made my day. My name added to the list, right above someone called Barack.

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152 comments to Murdered on the Arctic by climate deniers (or Greenpeace maybe?)

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    Fenbeagle

    There’s an election on in Britain. (The Greens are not predicted to win.)
    Fen Beagle Cartoon…

    https://fenbeagleblog.wordpress.com/2015/05/06/mayday-7/

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    Excellent response, and it appears Ms Schatzie is now not having such a good day with the new replies at her ‘murderer’ blog. I’m simply amazed she actually allowed mine since many AGWer bloggers / moderators erase the existence of criticism. I’ve been blocked by no less than Bill Moyers’ people, among others.

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      Peter C

      Congratulations Russell,

      I saw your name on the roll of honor.

      I am not sure why so many others were left off.

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      Ron Cook

      Russell,

      Ah! another anti CAGW/CC Cook. Probably 97% that we’re not related, but hey! I’m not alone.

      And you’re another Potassium salt of an aliphatic carboxylic acid

      :-)

      R-COO- K+

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        Us Cooks do need to band together to steer our John Cook back in the right direction, he gives us a bad name! Please do keep an eye on my work at GelbspanFiles. I’m no scientist, but at least as a common citizen I can do my part to analyze an otherwise unreported facet of AGW which crumbles apart under hard scrutiny.

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      OriginalSteve

      I cant resist this poke the clueless PC crowd :

      Did you mean Miss Schatzie, Not Ms?

      Ms is an indederminate state of being – Miss is un-married, Mrs is married. Ms is a form of language agitprop.

      PC encourages muddle-headedness…..it creates “fuzzy logic” which is more fuzzy than logic.

      /Rant

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        kmac

        Don’t stop there, “Mz” is the new salutation for those of indeterminate gender.

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          kmac

          Sorry, “Mx”

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            OriginalSteve

            Seriously?

            So which loo do they use? Male, Female or ……?

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              Graeme No.3

              No doubt the new leader of the Greens will want the Federal Government to install tri-sexual toilets.

              OOPS! I forgot about aliens and any roaming microwave ovens.

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                Ceetee

                The forgotten will be sending deputations shortly, meanwhile the decidedly unlovable ‘Schatzie’ is raising children in her own image and the children of the sensible will have to butt heads with them long after we’re all gone. It’s De Ja Vu all over again…

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                William

                No, they only need the two – in Bob Brown’s parlance, Earthians and non-Earthians.

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        Annie

        I always thought of ‘Ms’ as standing for ‘Misery’!

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          Annie

          What is more, if any mail comes addressed to me using it it is immediately returned to sender with the instruction to use my correct title before I will accept it. Australian utilities are particularly bad for this but it happens in the UK too.

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          Well, my usage of “Ms.” comes from an old habit of aiming for the middle since I could not determine whether she was married or single. The old joke in the US is that “Women’s liberation is a Ms.take”. Bad pun.

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      Bob Campbell

      I hope you have a fully detailed Honour Roll of all the deletes and blocks awarded to you that you may share with us some time.

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      PeterPetrum

      She didn’t even reply to your comment, Russell! The science and firm data was just too much for her tiny mind to fathom, I fear! Apart from that her responses to others are those of an immature school child. Her reply to Lord Monkton was infantile and extremely rude. Being Scottish born, I loved the bit about Scottish law – I bet she did not even know that Scotland has (and always has had) it’s own legal system!

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        (Also for Bob Campbell above) Not only did Ms Schatzie not respond to my comment, she has now deleted it, while letting the others remain. I plan on mentioning that and what Bob suggests at a blog post later today at GelbspanFiles – I have my screencaptures and an archive link to her blog post when my comment first appeared. She didn’t like the other comments, but apparently mine must have really left a mark.

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      Bill

      Not murder, just darwin’s law. Perhaps we could nominate them for a Darwin Award and she’s then be satisfied that they are getting the recognition they deserve?

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    DoubtingDave

    +100 FENBEAGLE , and please my fellow BRITS get onboard the UKIP revolution tomorrow and spare a minute to go to Tallblokes to leave your messages of support and best wishes.

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    Jaymez

    800mpg for the Shuttle seems very good. We should all be buying space shuttles not Tesla cars.

    I think your source got a little muddled up Jo. Let us assume the following is true: “On the average, the Shuttle travels about 145 miles (122 NM downrange, 25 NM altitude) until SRB separation and uses 1000 tons of SRB fuel.”

    1000 tons equates to 31754.705525196365 gallons, lets say 31,755 gallons. So given 145 miles travelled and 31,755 gallons consumed, the fuel efficiency prior to SRB separation is 219 gallons to the mile, or 0.0046mpg.

    But other sources give different numbers! I think the above is closer than 800 mpg!

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      Details, details … you know that the position of the decimal thingy doesn’t matter. Oh wait, that is the climate activists position, isn’t it … silly me.

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        ROM

        Jaymez @ #4.

        I shouldn’t do this to our good American friends but just for the hell of it!

        There are three countries out of the 193 countries on this planet that DON”T use the metric system.

        They are Myanmar [ Burma ], Liberia in West africa and the USA.

        So to bring Jaymez’s statistics above up to date [ :-) ] I have converted his shuttle American [ Imperial ? ] standard measurements to metric.
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        I think your source got a little muddled up Jo. Let us assume the following is true: “On the average, the Shuttle travels about 226 Kilometers (122 NM downrange, 25 NM altitude) until SRB separation and uses 907 tonnes of SRB fuel.”

        907 tonnes equates to 120,170.5 Liters, lets say 120,205 Liters . So given 226 Kilometers travelled and 120,205 litres consumed, the fuel efficiency prior to SRB separation is 515.112 liters to the kilometre, or 51,512 Liters per 100 Kms

        But other sources give different numbers! I think the above is closer than 340.112 Kms per liter
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        Some further useless information;

        The Americans went to the moon, landed and then safely returned their astronauts to Earth six times.

        The navigation, the landings, the return of lunar landing module from it’s Moon launches, the reconnection with the Command Module and return to Earth plus the orbital re-entry computations was all done using computer power in the Apollo series capsules that was about a quarter or less of the computation power found in just one of today’s Smart Phones.

        A truly astonishing record and I as one of the billions of humanity of the past and of the billions yet to come  am extraordinarily privileged to be one of the only generation that will ever exist that has witnessed Mankind’s very FIRST footstep on to another World that was not his own.

        It was done in my time on Earth for the very first time ever, a “First” that can never again be repeated ever in the entire history of man to come.

        It was and will remain for ever the “First” time mankind has stepped onto another world.

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      Peter C

      You beat me to it jaymez!.

      Also I think that figure is just for the solid rocket boosters. The main engines must also burn a lot of fuel, judging by the size of the fuel tank.

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        Raven

        Hmmm . . .
        This précis info from the NASA “Space Shuttle Propulsion Trivia” page.

        The energy released by the three Space Shuttle Main Engines at their full power—calculated in watts—is equivalent to the same amount of energy created by 13 Hoover Dams.

        The twin Solid Rocket Boosters alone generate a combined thrust of 5.3 million pounds.
        That equals about 400,000 subcompact cars.

        Assume those cars get about 30 MPG.

        So . . about 120mm per gallon.
        . . . plus the 13 Hoover Dams for the main engines

        It’s all trivia of course but it does illustrate the energy density issue and why you probably can’t run a toaster from your solar panels on a cloudy day.

        NASA probably do space better than climate.

        http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/113069main_shuttle_trivia.pdf

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          ROM

          There were thirteen Saturn V launches.
          No Saturn V rocket ever left the launch pad more than about two seconds late.

          The first and main stage carried 1,204,000 liters of liquid Oxygen plus 770,000 liters of Kerosene.
          Burn time was 165 seconds, a fuel consumption rate of 15 tonnes per second.

          The second stage carried 984,000 liters of liquid hydrogen plus 303,000 liters of liquid Oxygen.
          Burn time about 6 minutes.

          The throttable third stage carried 250,750 liters of liquid Hydrogen plus 72,280 liters of liquid Oxygen which was used for earth orbit and then “translunar injection” the acceleration up to orbital escape on to a Moon bound course. then moon orbital entry and later moon / earth trajectory , course correction and Earth orbital re-entry.

          From; http://www.space.com/18422-apollo-saturn-v-moon-rocket-nasa-infographic.html

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      Another Graeme

      I was thinking the same thing Jaymez, time to duct tape a rocket booster to the roof of the old station wagon. Captain risky, eat your heart out!

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        ROM

        Another Graeme @ # 4.3

        1995 Urban legend says it has been done;

        Darwin Awards now says it is bogus

        Jet assisted take off

        So says urban legend

        The facts, as best as could be determined, are as follows:

        The operator was driving a 1967 Chevy Impala. He ignited the JATO unit approximately 3.9 miles from the crash site. This was established by the location of a prominently scorched and melted strip of asphalt. The vehicle quickly reached a speed of between 250 and 300 mph and continued at that speed, under full power, for an additional 20-25 seconds. The soon-to-be pilot experienced G-forces usually reserved for dog-fighting F-14 jocks under full afterburners.

        The Chevy remained on the straight highway for approximately 2.6 miles (15-20 seconds) before the driver applied the brakes, completely melting them, blowing the tires, and leaving thick rubber marks on the road surface. The vehicle then became airborne for an additional 1.3 miles, impacted the cliff face at a height of 125 feet, and left a blackened crater 3 feet deep in the rock.

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      Ceetee

      Closer to 800 gallons per second wouldn’t it be?. Just guessing.

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        OzWizard

        The Yahoo calculation is 800 gallons per mile, not miles per gallon!

        1000 tons @ 112 gallons per ton = 112,000 gallons in 145 miles … work it out yourself.

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          Yes, thanks to Bemused, Jaymez, ceetee, ozwizard, of course mpg should be gpm. Corrected. Fingers were typing without brain at 2am last night.

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    Yonniestone

    Unfortunately there will always be people like Schatzie where great acts of martyrdom are blamed on anyone who doesn’t adhere to their certain brand of delusional reality.

    I’ve discovered this in recent times where promoted community activism for any cause will ‘work up’ the participants to the point of an evangelistic euphoria and anyone who happens to be in the area not participating in the great event is looked upon as a suspect or lesser person, yes this has happened to us.

    The Schatzie’s of the world are quite useful to the engineers of any social restructuring ruse, these are the ones that show the most enthusiasm desperate to belong to something that is so important to the human race that any dissent of this cause is unacceptable and the dissidents of the cause will be handled as the cause dictates, you’re just following orders right?

    I believe in peaceful protest or voicing your concerns through the many avenues that a good democracy offers, a hard left turn from these rules that a free majority voted for amounts to nothing but criminal behavior and tyranny, this has been proven many times in history but seems to be repeated with the help of weak minded fools that rush to the aid of evil planners.

    To anyone who has experienced the personal attacks from CAGW zealots I say stand your ground, defend yourself within your county’s laws but never lower yourself to their level, we are the ones that have to clean up the mess created by people of lesser gods.

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      OriginalSteve

      They can be as delusional as they want, as long as it doesnt affect our families…..

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    Popeye26

    Schatzie is “just a concerned mom trying to save the planet” so I guess that makes her qualified to call non-scientists like Willie Soon et al murderers.

    Since she’s a “mom” she also qualifies as a murderer – helping to overpopulate the earth by having children – how bloody inconsiderate of her!!

    I note Lubos Motl has popped on over and asked to have his name added to her list.

    Cheers,

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    Peter Crawford

    I left a message on the site, Schitzie or whatever it is, daring Utah Phillips (the old dude who looks like he’s eating a squirrel – alive) to come to my secret base in Holyhead Mountain and settle our differences mano-a mano. I left my address, he seems keen on knowing peoples addresses, so it will be interesting to see if he actually turns up.

    In the interest of fairness I am a mere stripling of 55 so I will voluntarily fight with one hand only. But I will be wearing crampons. Catch one of tham in the niagaras and you’ll know about it.

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      me@home

      Peter, I’ll think you’ll find that Utah has been deaded (an Irishism I picked from a wee colleen yonks ago)for a while.

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    LexMan

    Schatzie is Charlene Dudee.
    Studied Russian at George Washington University (not surprised)
    Lives in Lexington, Kentucky.
    Is she advocating crimes against humanity?

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    handjive

    “Until then, we suggest researchers head to the Antarctic, where there is lots of cold and no one ever gets hurt.”
    ~ ~ ~
    One can labour to imagine possibly ‘the stupidest prediction ever uttered’ to mock the mental state of 97% Doomsday Global Warming crowd, but, you will never match their ‘reality’:

    Sunday, 2 May 2004, (the independent.com):
    Why Antarctica will soon be the only place to live – literally

    “Antarctica is likely to be the world’s only habitable continent by the end of this century if global warming remains unchecked, the Government’s chief scientist, Professor Sir David King, said last week.”

    > Don’t laugh yet! It gets better:

    13 Oct 2008, the telegraph.uk:
    Climate change study predicts refugees fleeing into Antarctica

    “Climate change will force refugees to move to Antarctica by 2030, researchers have predicted.”
    . . .
    With 15 years to go, it might be a good idea if the 97% settled science crowd start sending advance parties to begin the planting of crops and sowing the fields, the infrastructure, and everything else the refugees will need.

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      Ian Hill

      You can’t just move to Antarctica! It is recognised as the world’s last remaining pristine wilderness and there are treaties in place to ensure it stays like that. They are hardly going to change these to enable access to refugees.

      It is not easy nor cheap to get there. There are also strict toilet (I refuse to use “bathroom”) restrictions which would turn off probably 90% of the population. All human waste has to be collected in drums and transported off the continent. I went there as a tourist in January 2005. The only place I could use a flush toilet was at the South Pole.

      Nothing is going to change by 2100 except that the South Pole research base may be elevated several tens of metres by then to keep above the accumulating snow and ice. They built a new one on jacks for precisely that reason.

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    TedM

    Excellent piece of satirical writing Jo. Keep exposing the hypocrisy.

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    Peter Miller

    How does an organisation like Greenpeace survive?

    It is a purveyor of bad science, no make that ridiculously bad science.

    It preys on the gullible and uninformed, using tactics like the pseudo-Christian cults in the USA, to liberate these people from their hard earned cash.

    It will never get involved unless it is in an emotive, cash generating, cause.

    It runs rings around the very worst types of politicians causing them to use Greenpeace as their environmental advisors.

    Its activists attack the environment with their attention seeking gimmicks, most recently in Peru.

    Worst of all, the organisation was started as a joke, the problem is that far too few people realise nothing has changed over the years.

    The answer to the original question is: We live in a world gone mad

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      Graeme No.3

      What do you mean started as a joke?
      The scare being promoted them was “The Jupiter Effect” where the planets would ‘align’ and cause giant tidal waves. The founders of Greenpeace held a BBQ on the beach.

      That would be one of the very, very, few times they listened to conventional science and displayed common sense. I think they must have been influenced by Patrick Moore.

      Having some idea of the age of the Earth and the orbital times of the planets I was unimpressed, which wasn’t helped when it turned out that alignment meant about a 30 degree angle.

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    ScotsmaninUtah

    A little history of the “the old guy” in the photo :)

    Utah Phillips – Bruce Duncan “Utah” Phillips (1935 – 2008)
    He was an American musician and was an avid trainhopper, he recorded several albums of music related to the railroads, especially during the era of steam locomotives.

    The album, Good Though!, contains such songs as
    “Daddy, What’s a Train?”
    “Queen of the Rails”
    “The Coal Miners lullaby”
    “All used up”
    “Starlight on the Rails”

    as well as what may be his most famous composition, “Moose Turd Pie”

    I have to admit that had I not visited Jo Nova’s blog on climate change, I would never have known about this local musician and his wonderful train songs.
    toot toot :)

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    bemused

    Once you’ve eliminated the ‘deniers’, who is next? Those who haven’t confirmed their faith? Those that don’t live a pious carbon free life? It has a kind of historical ring to it.

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    bemused

    I also note that Schatzie calls Lord Monckton ‘Marty Feldman’. What a sad individual.

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      Yes, but it is interesting that calling names is the worst thing she can think of. She obviously has no scientific evidence, and no way of negating his obvious knowledge and extensive experience of the subject, so she has to call him names. As you say, she is a sad individual, and I would add sick, and simpering, to the alliteration

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        Graeme No.3

        Obviously suffering from too much moose turd pie.

        No reason to then expect the rest of us to swallow it.

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        bemused

        No. What I find so utterly abhorrent about the Left is that they always attempt to claim the moral high ground, yet default to not just personal abuse when they have nothing with which to back up their arguments, but resort to using such things as medical conditions that their opponents have no control over, as a way to ridicule them. Schatzie isn’t the first to do this, so it’s indicative of the entire mindset of the Left.

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      FYI: “Schatzie” is (a typographic perversion of) the German(ic) term of endearment meaning “little treasure” (“Schatzi”). It’s not used in Germany (except ironically) to refer to adults that one does not know intimately.

      Frequently heard in Germany:

      Bringst Du mir ein Bier, Schatzi?

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    sophocles

    Schatzie got one thing more or less right:

    we KNOW what is causing the Earth to heat up to the point of inhabitability: burning fossil fuels.

    I like inhabitable, I really do.

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    Axelatoz

    A solar powered iron ore (or better still coal) train – I’d like to see that. Musically would not sound the same though.

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    Peter C

    Murdered by Climate Deniers?

    Just who was it that sponsored these two explorers on their foolish quest?
    It was an organization called Cold Facts founded by the missing explorer himself, Marc Cornelissen, and doubtless sponsored by Greenpeace and many climate alarmists.

    And who was it that suggested that the two should take off all their warm clothes and ski in their underpants, just before falling into the freezing water?

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      jorgekafkazar

      Once you hit the water, it doesn’t matter much what you were wearing. Same thing applies if you meet a polar bear.

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        Rereke Whakaaro

        When I was in the military, I had the good fortune (sic) of being enrolled on an Arctic survival course. I say, “Good Fortune”, because it got cancelled, and they sent us to desert survival school instead.

        So instead of freezing to death, and being taught Polar Bear etiquette, we got to learn how to get water out of a stone, using a sheet of plastic, and a cup. Armed with that knowledge, they then sent me to the jungle. There is nothing like being well trained for the mission.

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          Ian Hill

          Water out of a stone? Did I miss something? In the boy scouts we learned to get water out of a hole filled with plants using a sheet of plastic, a cup and a stone which acted as a weight to ensure the water dripped into the cup.

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      john robertson

      But wait Cold Facts Org is financed by WWF.
      I was refraining from calling this duo of spring ice divers to your attention.
      Its way too funny to me, when two activists financed by an organization which wishes for the demise of most of the current human population, slip off this mortal coil thro their own stupidity.
      They blogged as how it was so hot they were skiing in their underwear, then they blogged “Thin ice ahead, this will be interesting’.
      Then the emergency beacon went off.
      Sorry but this is a classic case of finding what you were looking for.
      When you fall into arctic water you have less than 10 minutes to get out, assuming you survive the usual heart attack on immersion.

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      OriginalSteve

      I find it hilariously amusing the concept of Deniers wanting to murder anyone…..it this a case of what Psychologists call projection?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
      “Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against unpleasant impulses by denying their existence in themselves, while attributing them to others.[1] For example, a person who is rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude.”

      Now bear in mind this is a theory ONLY. I have no idea if it holds true in this case or any other. Interesting though….

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        lmwd

        Sorry Steve, was trying to give you a thumbs up. That’s what happens when you entertain yourself with this site while on exercycle – not exhaling as much C02 as I should be..

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      Andrew McRae

      I thought you were joking.
      Then I checked.
      Wow.

      The last Tuesday quote of Cornelissen was transcribed by Alaska Dispatch News as:
      “We think we see thin ice in front of us, which is quite interesting, and we’re going to research some of that if we can,” Marc said in the last voice mail.

      If there is any human decision that lead to their deaths, it was their own faith in good fortune and overconfidence in ability.

      As for the outcome being their own fault, the dreaded D Word is the order of the day:

      had they known how dangerous the conditions were, they would not have ventured on the ice.
      “This is definitely not an expedition where they took unreasonable risks,” said Marielle Feenstra, spokeswoman at Cold Facts

      Skiing across sea ice in the Arctic is itself an unreasonable risk. They could have sat at home, pointed to the satellite data, and said “there’s some thin ice there.” But I guess they ultimately found “the ground truth” they were looking for.

      Any suggestion that the ice would not have been thin and patchy in the absence of raised CO2 is eroded by the words of Cornelissen himself:

      March 29, 2015
      Yesterday we arrived from Iqaluit via Arctic Bay in Resolute. The weather was beautiful. About -30ºC, sunny, golden light and a great view. What was striking was the amount of thin ice and open water East of Resolute in the Barrow Strait. We heard that the winter was unusual cold, but nevertheless the amount of open water is rather unusual too. It shows that ice conditions and temperatures don’t always necessarily correlate. An explanation can be that strong northerly winds have been pushing the floating ice causing it to crack and open up.

      So there’s the quote to remember whenever this tragic incident comes up in future.
      “Ice conditions and temperatures don’t always necessarily correlate.” – Marc Cornelissen, 2015-03-29.

      On the plus side, the search party rescued the dog.

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        Yonniestone

        “On the plus side, the search party rescued the dog.”, thank god the most valuable asset to humanity survived!

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    el gordo

    Random variability is doing their heads in.

    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2015/may/06/pause-needed-in-global-warming-optimism-new-research-shows

    Within a few years, according to my calculations, this lot will have egg on their face.

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    Ahhh, so this is where the clown car is parked.

    JoNova has handed out 200,000 copies of her book? Well, all that takes is a few dump trucks and some wheel barrels. Hardly an accomplishment! And to push for nuclear energy is just madness. There is nowhere to put ALL THAT nuclear waste that has been created by that industry. This exceedingly bad and myopic notion seems to have found a thriving audience here. Wow.

    And to the dimwit who suggests I am having some sort of a hard time dealing with the paid shill comments, you couldn’t be more incorrect. For me, it’s sport. Like shooting fish in a barrel. Line’em up!

    How’s that heat treating you, Australia? How about those wildfires? Your country will be one of the first to go. Why? Drumroll please: because of climate change. Payback can truly be a bitch! But you guys can keep hoisting up the denial flag while you’re rearranging the deck chairs on your Aussie Titanic. And JoNova, viscosity never killed anyone, to my knowledge. I bet your book was a REAL eye opener.

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      ROM

      Blimey Jo!, You sure poked a long stick into Shatzie’s personal turd pile!

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        Debbie

        Ridiculous.
        Whose stupid idea was it to ‘go skating on thin ice’ in the first instance?
        Even B4 the concept of AGW &/or CC….people already knew that was an inhospitable and dangerous place with a plethora of risks involved.
        Good luck advancing your idea it was someone else’s fault and that they should be charged for murder.
        It’s just simply not going to happen.
        If they didn’t understand the risks they have no one to blame but themselves.
        I actually feel a bit sorry for you.

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      William

      Ahhh, so this is where the clown car is parked – Yes it is Schatzie, did you leave it here last night and forget where you had parked it?

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      OriginalSteve

      Well clearly we have hit a nerve…..goodo…

      Heres the thing – there is no “pay back”. You have to have a problem to have pay back, natural variability and all that.

      The only “titanic” will be when the Nurumberg style trials start for all the CAGW pushers….the truth wil come out eventually….and down she goes….

      Science here is discussed and debated. Contrarty to popular ( and patently wrong ) belief – its not settled.

      You should stick around – this is a good spot to hang out…many knowledgable people here.

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      John F. Hultquist

      That would be “wheelbarrow.”
      Thanks for trying.
      Next?

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      Graeme No.3

      Viscosity has killed a number of people, particularly if it involves molasses.

      The Boston Molasses Disaster, also known as the Great Molasses Flood and the Great Boston Molasses Flood, occurred on January 15, 1919, in the North End neighborhood of Boston, Massachusetts, in the United States. A large molasses storage tank burst, and a wave of molasses rushed through the streets at an estimated 35 mph (56 km/h), killing 21 and injuring 150.

      Many were dragged under by the slow flowing molasses as they lost their footing, became exhausted etc.

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      Yonniestone

      Well here’s your big chance Schatzie, back up your strongly worded intentions with actual evidence that drives you to such desperation, there’s plenty of qualified people here to debate with and finally show the world just how scientifically illiterate they really are.

      I won’t be holding my breath though, the planet needs every little bit of CO2 it can get.

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      Peter C

      Your comment not erased here. Unlike your own site!
      Nuff said.

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      Another Graeme

      Schatzie, you are so out of your league it’s actually funny. You’ve got nothing intelligent to say so you abuse and insult. I dare you, I double dare you, to attempt a considered thoughtful response to Jo’s post. C’mon, just one little paragraph…

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      BruceC

      And to the dimwit who suggests I am having some sort of a hard time dealing with the paid shill comments, you couldn’t be more incorrect

      Is that why you deleted my comment from your blog which showed who is actually the ‘paid shills’?

      The Rockefeller Brothers Fund;

      2003 – present;

      Bill McKibben’s;
      Step It Up ($200,000)
      1Sky.org ($2,100,000)
      350.org ($875,000)

      Total RBF grants to Mckibben = $3,175,000

      Al Gore’s – Alliance for Climate Protection = $250,000
      David Suzuki Foundation = $185,000

      The Sierra Club = $1,665,000
      Friends of the Earth = $777,500
      Friends of the Earth International = $290,000
      The Pacific Institute (Founder and President; Peter Gleick) = $670,000
      Greenpeace Fund = $550,000
      Center for Climate Strategies = $5,171,600
      The Union of Concerned Scientists = $75,000
      Media Matters for America = $375,000
      Environmental Defense Fund = $550,000
      Natural Resources Defense Council = $1,660,000
      National Wildlife Federation = $1,025,000
      European Climate Foundation = $395,000

      The Rockefeller Foundation;

      Al Gore’s – Alliance for Climate Protection = $200,000
      The Sierra Club = $300,000
      Friends of the Earth = $100,000
      The Pacific Institute (Founder and President; Peter Gleick) = $849,451
      Center for Climate Strategies = $137,700
      Environmental Defense Fund = $1,100,000
      Natural Resources Defense Council = $3,793,350

      TOTAL = $23,294,601 (and still counting)

      (in 2012, the Rockefeller Family Fund also donated an undisclosed sum to 350.org)

      Sceptic ‘think tanks’;

      The Heartland Institute
      The Cato Institute
      The Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF)
      Committee For A Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT)
      Science and Environmental Policy Project (SEPP)

      = $0.00

      As you say Schatterbrain,

      For me, it’s sport. Like shooting fish in a barrel. Line’em up!

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    gnome

    Viscously murdered?

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      James Bradley

      gnome,

      Polar bears will do that.

      Their numbers have dramatically increased and they are quite prevalent in the Arctic now.

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        Bill

        Polar Bears (the population of which is growing at a rate never seen before) are the ONLY animal that is geneticaly programed to regard humans as a normal food source.

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          Another Graeme

          Bill, not quite mate, good old Aussie salties are more than happy to chow down on people when they can

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            Bill

            But they don’t hunt them actively, pursue them for miles over the ice (in your case, swamps). The polar bear does that, and is extremely intelligent for an animal (problem solving). Look up the video of the French animal vidoegrapher who thought a shark cage would protect him in Churchill Manitoba (Polar bear capital of the world), the bear opened it up like a tin of tuna, dragged him out and ate him alive – on camera. Salties haven’t the smarts, or ability to do any of that; they are merely opportunists that eat anything that makes itself available.

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              Another Graeme

              Fair enough Bill, salties don’t have the legs to chase you for miles but make no mistake, they will actively hunt people.

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      Graeme No. 3

      They got into a sticky situation?

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      Ahem. Darn auto-correct at 2am. Thanks Fixed. – Jo

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    William

    As an English and journalism graduate (my first degree), one of my pet hates is the deliberate misuse of language by the alarmists in their attempts to smear those who beg to differ. In this case, it is Schatzie’s use of the term “climate change denier”. I have been at pains on other sites to point out that this term is misleading as only an idiot denies that the climate changes, but alarmists either don’t seem to appreciate the difference between denying climate change and disputing “The Science”. Or perhaps it is their silly way of using words to try and make sceptics look stupid. Sadly for them, it backfires.


    I’m right there with you. Abusing English works for those who don’t have an honest message to share. Twisting word meanings works for con artists… Jo

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      William

      Why is this still under moderation two hours later?

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        Andrew McRae

        “Why is this still under moderation two hours later?”
        Because finding volunteers to do moderation for free is difficult, they aren’t necessarily going to be aware of moderated comments immediately, and one of the words you have used is in the automatic moderation filter list of forbidden phrases – for exactly the reason you point out.
        We do sometimes have to use the misleading language of our opponents simply to highlight the general unpleasantness of their rhetoric, or as a parody of them. Words can be used genuinely or sarcastically and automated moderation filters don’t know the difference.

        There’s plenty of other phrases which we accept without complaint as synergistic; phrases whose intended meaning cannot be derived from their constituent words interpreted independently. Idioms, basically. Think of “fast food”, for example. It literally means the food is fast, but we would think someone was either stupid or unfamiliar with our linguistic customs if they actually believed it meant the food had high velocity. It should be called “fast delivery food” but for brevity the middle word is dropped and the intended meaning is still understood through repetition in context. Same with “fair-weather friend”, “fish out of water”, and “wet blanket”.

        In that same way, it’s quirky that “climate change den–r” gets so much outrage when we know exactly what warmists mean when they say it – it means “anthropogenic global warming danger den–r” (or substitute “catastrophe” if you want to raise the bar). The frosty reception is possibly a double standard to contrive another moral high-horse for the skeptics’ stable. Possibly, the speaking of the phrase is the sloppy wording that we’d expect from warmists who exhibit sloppy thinking on matters about which they could be precise if it served their political purpose. I suspect it’s both.

        One thing is sure, if the two sides actually cared more about the truth of climate than about finding excuses to hate each other, they would have already cleared up this labelling confusion and moved on to more substantial matters.

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          ROM

          Andrew McRae; @ #21.1.1

          You have provided a good explanation of the unseen workings of a major blog, one that a lot of relative new comers to blog comment and even some old stagers rarely know in full.

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          William

          Thanks Andrew,

          I have been posting here and at a number of other blogs for many years (this name and another I used formerly but have dropped for consistency) and appreciate the good work the moderators do – and how it is done. I am just surprised that the term climate change denier is one that triggers a pause – so to speak.

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            William

            Nope, “climate change denier” sailed through as I am sure it has done in the past – perhaps this time with quotation marks …

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      RB

      They also forget the hyphen.

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    Pat Frank

    Schatzie’s vulgar ripostes are far more like those of a poorly educated coarse-minded male, than a woman.

    It’s the internet, afterall, where falsifying one’s identity is an international pastime.

    Schatzie could be a schnauzer for all anyone really knows. Or, with that expressive vocabulary, a garbage collector.

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    Ruairi

    When warmists give warmist advice,
    To those who explore Arctic ice;
    If to harm they came,
    It’s the skeptics they blame,
    Being warmism’s scapegoat device.

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    TdeF

    Tragically maybe 300,000 people died yesterday. Happily, maybe 600,000 people were born.

    It seems two competent arctic scientists drowned apparently happily skiing in their underwear. So? It seems climate change viciously murdered them with malice aforethought and millions of people who dare disagree with the theory of man made climate change need to be murdered in revenge? Whatever this author is on, I don’t want any.

    This is angry, pointless, idiotic rubbish. There is a real and necessary debate about the future of mankind, the future of power and food and living space and the inevitability of climate change like an ice age, but this sort of nonsense should not be news.

    The IPCC started this Man Made Global Warming story. Now they need to explain the anomaly of sudden, very short warming which started suspiciously with their incorporation in 1988 with the support of the world’s meteorological organizations who wanted international meetings through a special UN department.

    If the world governments cannot control the climate, there should be no IPCC. The question then arises of whether the rapid runaway man made ‘warming’ which is still incredibly within the error range of the old thermometers and therefore may not even exist, was created simply to justify the existence of the IPCC. The coincidence ín timing is striking. The plateaus before and after are damning. The loss of 300,000 people yesterday is a sad fact of life on earth. Using the deaths of two professional adventurers to argue for retribution is unbalanced.

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    el gordo

    Whether its extremely warm or cold, humans in Britain and Australia will adapt.

    http://www.co2science.org/articles/V18/may/a6.php

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      Annie

      One does. I was perishing cold morning and night in Victoria last week….there was a goodly frost in our area last Thursday morning. I’ve survived 38/39C in Dubai for a few days and now I’m perishing cold in Northern England. Strangely, I’m still alive!

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    Reed Coray

    Wasn’t “Schatzie” a character on “Happy Days?” Happy Days must be dead. Long live Sad Days!

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    Debbie

    I clicked the link & read it.
    Now I feel like I need a shower!
    Also wishing I didn’t click.
    I’m gobsmacked….completely gobsmacked!
    What a bitter, twisted, negative, misanthropic mind.
    Weren’t those people just simply… ‘skating on thin ice’?
    How is it someone else’s responsibility let alone grounds to widely spray murder allegations?
    That has to be right up there with one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read…. right up there with that Sarah Bath’s concept of ‘crimes of climate change’ a few days back.
    Absolutely and completely ridiculous.

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      Domain registration (public) information:

      Domain Name: SCHATZIESEARTHPROJECT.COM
      Registry Domain ID: 1871149008_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
      Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.godaddy.com
      Registrar URL: http://www.godaddy.com
      Update Date: 2014-08-14T23:00:13Z
      Creation Date: 2014-08-14T23:00:13Z
      Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2016-08-14T23:00:13Z

      Registrant Name: Charlene Dudee
      Registrant Organization: Schatzie's Earth Project, Inc.
      Registrant Street: [SNIP address]
      Registrant City: Lexington
      Registrant State/Province: Kentucky
      Registrant Postal Code: 40515
      Registrant Country: United States
      Registrant Phone: [SNIP]
      Registrant Email: schatzie@[snip]

      “Schatzie” at that address is a real estate agent.

      If Google streetview is indicative; it’s a neat house in a well-to-do neighbourhood. (Not surprising for real estate agent.)

      It’s easy to dig up the dirt on Schatzie.

      SNIP – email and address and phone details. — Jo

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    Safetyguy66

    Greenpeace are dangerous luddites, running unchecked in a campaign of anti human, anti development anarchy.

    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/greenpeace-activists-in-costly-gm-protest-20120802-23i0t.html

    They have no interest in human welfare. They commit criminal acts on Australian soil to destroy scientific work while all the while claiming the reason they don’t support it (GM crops) is that it requires more research.

    Even their former founder has disowned them, they are fringe dwellers with zero credibility on almost any topic.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2794116/greenpeace-condemned-original-founder-evil-guilty-losing-humanitarian-roots.html

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    pat

    i posted about this on jo’s “Grow A Spine” thread, with The Local, Netherlands writer Janene Van Jaarsveldt, stating:

    In a voice recording that Marc posted on line on Tuesday he said: “Today was a good day.” He described the weather as being too warm. “We think we see thin ice in front of us, which is quite interesting.” he said. “And we’re going to research some more of that if we can.”
    The likely death of the two experienced polar explorers is extremely cynical, especially since Marc has been warning of the effects of global warming and the ever faster melting North Pole for years. “And so we get more extreme weather, more floods, an unpredictable climate. The earth will not perish, but we make it increasingly difficult to live here”, he said. Ans now he himself is likely the victim of melting ice…

    ***Ruth Dawkins in the Guardian lets us know the purpose was
    to “VALIDATE existing data”:

    5 May: Guardian: Ruth Dawkins: Inspirational climate researchers feared dead on Arctic expedition
    Last week, Marc Cornelissen and Philip de Roo, went missing, presumed drowned on an expedition to collect samples of thin Arctic ice. Their passion and commitment to stopping climate change gives us all something to aspire to
    Nine years ago exactly I was in a tent on the Arctic ice sheet: one of six students taking part in the Ben and Jerry’s/WWF Climate Change College…
    It was a project that was only made possible because of the hard work of many people. Two of those people were Marc Cornelissen and Philip de Roo…
    ***Marc was an experienced Polar explorer, with an unwavering commitment to tackling climate change. His expertise was in gathering ice and snow samples that could be used to VALIDATE existing data, such as that gathered by ESA’s CryoSat…
    So it was in the evenings – sitting in the communal tent and sharing stories – that we really got to know them. Marc and Philip talked about the relationship you need to work together under tough conditions; the absolute trust you must have in each other. But they also talked about why they did it; why, even without the personal satisfaction that came from pushing themselves, they felt it was their responsibility to take part in the fight against climate change…
    The lives and work of these two men may have stopped, but the movement will go on.
    http://www.theguardian.com/environment/blog/2015/may/05/inspirational-climate-researchers-feared-dead-on-arctic-expedition

    what MSM coverage was given to this story mostly failed to mention:

    WWF Canada: WWF-Canada statement on the presumed drowning of Dutch researchers Marc Cornelissen and Philip de Roo near Bathurst Island
    The two men were with Cold Facts, an organization which supports scientific research in the Polar Regions. It was founded by Marc Cornelissen and is funded by WWF Netherlands and WWF UK.
    The following is a statement from David Miller, President and CEO of WWF-Canada…
    Over the past two decades, these passionate and experienced researchers worked tirelessly with WWF to document the effects of climate change in the Arctic…
    http://www.wwf.ca/?17361/WWF-Canada-statement-on-the-presumed-drowning-of-Dutch-researchers-Marc-Cornelissen-and-Philip-de-Roo-near-Bathurst-Island

    WWF (global): Experienced researchers lost in Arctic
    The two experienced polar explorers have been involved with WWF for many years. Marc Cornelissen is WWF Netherlands’ ambassador for the Arctic, and Philip de Roo has been active from an early age as WWF Ranger…

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      TdeF

      Yes, at what point does anyone become responsible for their own actions?

      It is not as if the thin ice suddenly became thinner while they were standing on it. They were literally and knowingly and presumably expertly skating on thin ice for their own reasons and accepting the risks, protected from instant freezing by their underwear.

      Blaming other people is a typical response of people who refuse to accept responsibility for their own behaviour. Each person generates about 3 tons of CO2 a year. These people need to hold their breaths for a few days a week and see if that helps.

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    pat

    6 May: National Review Online: Sierra Club Caught in Anti-Coal Fakery
    by Jillian Kay Melchior
    A petition to close down a coal plant from the green group listed some supporters who say they hadn’t signed on.
    “I’ve been doing some research, and I don’t know that we ever got that letter,” said Asheville Glass Center’s Alex Greenwood. “I was certainly not informed of it, and everyone I asked has never seen anything like it. If we had gotten it, we would have signed it.”…
    A fifth owner, who asked to remain anonymous, says she had thought she was signing a private petition. The Sierra Club didn’t tell her it planned to list her business’s name as a supporter, she says, and would have been wary about turning off would-be customers by associating her business with a political cause…
    Among the seven business owners who deny signing the letter, one tells National Review the Sierra Club had asked her whether she supported renewable energy over coal, and whether she would be interested in learning more. Next thing she knew, she says, she was listed in the local paper demanding that Duke shut down a coal plant.
    “It was like poking a bear without knowing that you’re poking a bear,” she says…
    Another of those business owners, who also asked not to be named, says the Sierra Club had played dirty…
    Cronin, the Asheville Citizen-Times reporter, says that when he confronted the Sierra Club with the allegations, they refused to provide him proof that all of the small businesses listed had actually given consent.
    “These are nonprofits that are funded by individuals and grants,” Cronin says. “They have an ethical obligation to adhere to their own industry’s professional standards. Nonprofit experts I interviewed said the Sierra Club did not adhere to those ethical standards.”…
    The Sierra Club provided National Review with some of its e-mail correspondence with Charity Navigator, in which it admits having e-mail records available for only 38 of the signatory businesses…
    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/417961/sierra-club-caught-anti-coal-fakery-jillian-kay-melchior

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    pat

    30 April: Hindu Business Line: Debabrata Das: Hydro power contribution to dip in first half of 2015
    Shortfall to be met by coal-fired plants
    Between April and September, the target for hydro power generation is 77,830 million units, or about 13.7 per cent of the total power generation in the country, according to official data.
    In the same period last year, hydro power contributed about 15 per cent of the total power generation, at 80,896.50 million units.
    The shortfall this year is expected to be met by coal-fired thermal power plants.
    The target for coal-fired plants in the April-September period is 4,27,336 million units or about 75.5 per cent of the total generation.
    In the same period last year, coal-based plants made up for about 73.3 per cent of the total power generation…
    last year’s actual generation, resulting in increased pressure to supply coal to power plants.
    However, coal production has increased significantly.
    Piyush Goyal, Minister for Power, Coal and New and Renewable Energy, had said last week that in the first 20 days of April, Coal India’s production has gone up 9 per cent and on an average 210 rakes of coal are being supplied…
    On April 27, only 12 out of 100 coal-based plants had less than seven days’ supply or critical levels of coal stocks…
    During the peak summer months last year, coal stocks in nearly half of the thermal plants across the country had stocks at critical levels.
    http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/economy/macro-economy/hydro-power-contribution-to-dip-in-first-half-of-2015/article7159271.ece

    following excerpts found on Bolt’s Tips page:

    Renewable energy push sees GetUp! land $1m windfall
    The Australian-14 hours ago
    GetUp! is urging supporters to abandon electricity suppliers Origin, AG and EnergyAustralia, lashing the “dirty three” for “doing everything they can to get Tony Abbott and the Liberal government to weaken policies critical to our clean energy ­future”.
    GetUp! is urging supporters in NSW and Victoria to sign up with supplier Powershop.
    “They are backed by a 100 per cent renewable energy company and they actively support renewable energy and the RET,” its campaign material says.
    It offers to inform supporters in other states when similar services are available.
    But the admission that “for every GetUp! supporter who signs up through this offer, GetUp receives a payment” is buried in the fine print.

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    pat

    6 May: SMH: Matthew Knott: Government funding for The Conversation website to be axed: Christopher Pyne
    Education Minister Christopher Pyne has flagged that the Abbott government will axe funding for The Conversation website in next week’s budget…
    After providing $1.5 million to launch the site, Labor gave the website an extra $2 million over two years in the 2013 budget. The website was also given tax deductibility status.
    “The Conversation was initiated by the previous Labor government,” Mr Pyne said on Sky News on Tuesday. “It had a shelf-life of three years at which time The Conversation is meant to be self-sustaining.
    “They were given $3.5 million – in that time they’ve expanded to Africa, the United States and the UK and I expect that they are in a position where they will be self-sustaining otherwise they wouldn’t be able to expand overseas in the way they have.”…
    Mr Jaspan said that he had not been aware of Mr Pyne’s comments and would investigate the matter…
    According to its website, The Conversation also receives funding and support from many universities, the CSIRO, the Commonwealth Bank and medical research institutes.
    The site will launch in Africa on Thursday.
    http://www.smh.com.au/business/federal-budget/government-funding-for-the-conversation-website-to-be-axed-christopher-pyne-20150505-ggv19d.html

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    pat

    bizarro piece at HuffPo:

    6 May: HuffPo: Fast and Furious to a Warming Planet
    What the Fast and the Furious team can teach us about the struggle to stop climate change.
    Written by Phillip Ellis, Press Secretary for Earthjustice
    For me, spring brings an overwhelming desire to wear flip-flops and a deepening resentment of weather that just won’t warm fast enough…
    In a time when the fossil fuel industry spent nearly a billion dollars, that’s with a capital B, to influence the 2014 election, we are confronted on a daily basis with a Fast and Furious gang tasked with thwarting any practical and bi-partisan effort to solve, or even acknowledge, climate change…
    ***In the world of climate change advocacy, or in this case climate denial, we keep finding new and inventive ways to essentially say 97.1 percent of all scientists agree that climate change is caused by human activity. More organizations join our call for action every day like the upcoming encyclical expected from Pope Francis and the Catholic Church…
    In my best Dom grunt, we’re all up because we are all moving Fast and Furious towards an inescapable rescue. For now, it appears that climate deniers have the same escape plan as Dom — drive us off a cliff and hope we, or at least they, survive.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/earthjustice/fast-and-furious-to-a-war_b_7224772.html

    all this faith in the Pope’s encyclical on a scientific matter by the CAGW crowd seems somewhat odd, given the following!

    31 April: Independent: Michael Day: Exorcists warn Vatican over ‘beautiful young vampires’ and satanic yoga
    The proliferation of “beautiful young vampires” in TV series and Hollywood films including True Blood and the Twilight movies is encouraging young people to dabble with occult forces, a leading authority on demonic possession has warned a Vatican-backed exorcism course.
    “There are those who try to turn people into vampires and make them drink other people’s blood, or encourage them to have special sexual relations to obtain special powers,” said Professor Giuseppe Ferrari at the meeting in Rome, which heard that the number of such possessions is rising globally. “These groups are attracted by the so-called beautiful young vampires that we’ve seen so much of in recent years.”
    Professor Ferrari, who heads an Italian occult watchdog, The Group on Research and Socio-Religious Information, said exorcisms should only be conducted by properly trained priests.
    ***Although the Vatican regards genuine demonic possession as rare, with many suspected cases proving to be people with mental illnesses, Pope Francis has urged dioceses to ensure that they follow Catholic law and have at least one trained exorcist each…
    Swiss exorcist Father Cesare Truqui told The Independent that this week’s course, attended by exorcists, priests and lay people, was vital in order to raise awareness and hone priests’ skills in fighting evil…
    Father Cesare is a protégé of Father Gabriele Amorth, the Vatican’s chief exorcist for 25 years, who claims to have dealt with 70,000 cases of demonic possession. Father Amorth said that sex abuse scandals in the Roman Catholic Church were proof that “the Devil is at work inside the Vatican”. He took a similarly dim view of fantasy novels and yoga. Practising the latter, he once warned, was “satanic; it leads to evil just like reading Harry Potter.”
    Gay rights and IVF fertility treatment were listed as signs of existential evil in society by Monsignor Luigi Negri, the Archbishop of Ferrara-Comacchio.
    Professor Giuseppe Ferrari gave delegates at the Vatican-backed course a checklist for improve the effectiveness of exorcisms…etc
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/exorcists-warn-vatican-over-beautiful-young-vampires-and-satanic-yoga-10174001.html#

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    Bemused

    I’m a little confused by the Yahoo answer. . .
    Using their US Measures. . .
    Each ton of fuel is 112.89404 gallons
    1000 tons of SRB fuel to travel 145 miles.

    By my reckoning, that makes it 778.579586 (~800) gallons per mile
    not miles per gallon.

    You might be right. I did not check… bit of a difference. :- Jo

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    Really, I couldn’t give the proverbial rodent’s rear end about people who kill themselves doing stupid things.
    Want to explore the alleged “last ice”? Use helicopters and have a disaster plan.

    These guys I put in the same category as pilots who fly low for a cheap thrill and then kill themselves by hitting powerlines. Then the friends and family say what a safe, careful pilot he was which we know wasn’t true at least that last time and there is always the lingering suspicion that the odds finally caught up and this was routine for him.

    This must go into the famous last words category “the ice looks thin up ahea…..”

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      Yonniestone

      Genuine contenders for a Darwin Award right there, those last words are up there with “You got a light?” followed by “Can you smell gas?”

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        Believe it or not a pilot once, in the pre-dawn dark, lit a match to see the level of the Avgas in the fuel tank with the filler cap off.

        Was written up in the old Aviation Safety Digest aka “crash comic”.

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    TdeF

    Some silly calculations.

    A person outputs about 3 tons of CO2 ‘pollution’ per year. This is about 1/3 as much as average car output and in Australia there are about 0.75 cars per person, so breathing is equivalent for 25% of the CO2 output of cars, not counting pets, 1 million camels, 50 million sheep and sundry cows. People and animals are a far bigger pollution problem than cars. Worse, the camels and cattle output methane as well, which is a far worse greenhouse gas. We could go vegetarian and eat beans, but that would not solve anything.

    World wide, assuming 10% Green voters in the Western world, there are perhaps 100 million Green voters. So they output 300,000,000 tons of CO2 by simply breathing. They should stop it.

    Even insects and trees breathe out CO2. So do fish. The numbers are breathtaking.

    So Australia’s total CO2 output at 373Megatons is closely matched by the CO2 output of Green voters. If they all breathed 20% more slowly, we would reach our RET target. Greens therefore are the problem.

    Worse, it is possibly the hyperventilation of nut jobs like this which is heating the planet.

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      TdeF

      Also on quick calculations, in Australia there are 28million cattle, 74 million sheep and 1 million camels and some millions of kangaroos. Allowing for body weight dependent internal combustion, this is about 10x the output of the people. This is not counting birds, insects, trees at night and more.

      Worse, these ruminants output CH4, methane, a greenhouse gas which according to the IPCC is 30x worse than CO2. So they are 300x more polluting than humans breathing and therefore account for 30x as much CO2 as our industry.

      So to reduce our greenhouse gases to meet the RET target, we only need the vegetarians to eat more meat. Solved.

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        Graeme No.3

        As I was saying before hitting the delete key; it’s late and the bottle is as empty as an IPPC comment.

        TdeF:

        you really aren’t keeping up with the gloom patrol, are you?
        Methane started out as 14 times worse than CO2, before being promoted to 23 times worse. I must have blinked and missed the 30 times worse jump, but I caught the moment when it was 44 times worse than CO2. The last I heard it was 70+ times worse and accelerating towards the sound barrier.

        Mind you, in simple arithmetic 14 times zero = 70 times zero, but try telling a hysterical Schatzie that.

        Still it does supply us with a new description of the typical outpouring of some warmist blog – ” a load of schatzies”, or the writer is “a right schatzie”.

        We really must be grateful to the originator for a short term that encompasses ignorance, hysteria, paranoia, and lack of scientific knowledge in one short word. And it could be used on certain blogs prone to censorship, at least until they wake up.

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          TdeF

          Graeme, no. It is fantasy. The IPCC rate so called Green House gases relative to CO2 and its persistence in the atmosphere. This is given by the IPCC as a half life of 83 years.

          However as I have stated consistently with unequivocal proof from C14 levels, the half life of CO2 is closer to 12 years. However this means all Greenhouse gases are 1/5th as damaging as listed, assuming there is any effect at all. It also means there is precious little fossil fuel CO2 in the atmosphere, completely derailing the whole logic train, but who understand simple physics?

          There as similar illogic with the Ozone hole supposedly entirely from man made CFCs. Only 2% of people live south of the Tropic of Capricorn, but only the South Pole has an ozone hole? Spot the problem with that logic, but who lets facts get in the road of punitive taxation?

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            TdeF

            I mean no, I am not keeping up with the latest nonsense from the IPCC. How can such numbers jump around? Or is that how consensus works? I thought it was the Fonz in Happy Days?

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    A new study by Stephan Lewandowsky (at Bishop Hill)

    ‘So why might scientists be affected by contrarian public discourse? The study argues that three recognised psychological mechanisms are at work: ‘stereotype threat’, ‘pluralistic ignorance’ and the ‘third-person effect’.

    ‘Stereotype threat’ refers to the emotional and behaviour responses when a person is reminded of an adverse stereotype against a group to which they belong. Thus, when scientists are stereotyped as ‘alarmists’, a predicted response would be for them to try to avoid seeming alarmist by downplaying the degree of threat. Several studies have indeed shown that scientists tend to avoid highlighting risks, lest they be seen as ‘alarmist’.

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      ROM

      “Bishop Hill” also repeated Lewendowsky’s new monicker.

      “Goebbels with graphs”

      For those of later generations you will see the “why” of that Lewendowsky tag; Joseph Goebbels

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    Surely we can help this poor Schatzie with her list? While it is rich in quality, it is pitifully poor in numbers. We should inundate her with our names and addresses. And perhaps we should all go turn ourselves in to the local police station while we’re at it?

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      UPDATE: My day is made. My name is on the list now, right before someone called Barack Obama.

      Eric Bolling, Fox News
      Jerry Brown, Governor of California
      George W. Bush, former US President
      Dick Cheney, former US Vice President
      John Coleman, former weatherman
      Russell Cook, blogger
      Barry Cooper, random nut
      Donn Dears, Heartland Institute
      Paul Driessen, Analyst, Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow
      Myron Ebell, Competitive Enterprise Institute
      Jonah Goldberg, scholar, American Enterprise Institute
      Jim Inhofe, Senator, Oklahoma
      Sally Jewell, Secretary, US Department of the Interior
      Charles Koch, Koch Industries
      David Koch, Koch Industries
      Patrick Michaels, Cato Institute
      Christopher Monckton, googly eyed buffoon
      Ernest Moniz, Secretary, US Department of Energy
      Kevin Mooney, reporter, The Daily Signal
      Marc Morano, head douchebag, Climate Depot
      Lisa Murkowski, Senator from Alaska
      Joanne Nova, Australian blogger
      Barack Obama, US President
      James Rust, Heartland Institute
      Rick Scott, Governor of Florida
      Willie Soon, fake scientist and paid shill
      Rex Tillerson, CEO, ExxonMobil

      I’m just afraid soon, someone will figure out that she is a satirical stooge, created to make the believers look silly.

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    Woody

    Surely Van Badham has a new pseudonym.

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    Roy Hogue

    I’m sooo glad she’s a concerned mom just trying to save the planet. And by the way, what’s a “Schatzie”?

    I’m not so glad that two men are missing and probably dead.

    This whole murder thing is something we should label by juxtaposing the letters B and S.

    The more they fail, the more ridiculous their claims become. It’s become so predictable a child could write their script. :-(

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      Yonniestone

      “what’s a “Schatzie”?”, It’s a game played by environmental ideologues where 5 dice are rolled to determine who gets to enact whatever foolish stunt is proposed at the start, ironically ‘skating on thin ice’ was one of the original daring stunts.

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        Roy Hogue

        I’m sooo glad I asked, Yoni. ;-)

        But thin ice has always been part of the game, has it not? So why haven’t they fallen through long ago? You’d think providence, with its random distribution, would be on our side of the game before now and they’d be done for already.

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    ScotsmaninUtah

    “People are weird, Groups of People are One french frie short of a happy meal”

    After reading this this article on “Murder in the Artic” and visiting the said site: Schatzie’s Earth Project” ,
    It made me think that perhaps we are truly living in different times.

    If you examine Schatzies’s website, it becomes immediately obvious that Schatzie is all “fired up” about “Global Warming” and “CO2″, and sounds off one tirade after another at complete total strangers.
    What is truly frightening is that she is not alone, there are many more like her! :o

    I can’t get my head around this, but why she and others like her are so obsessed about a theoretical future disaster. Do they all think that the world is going to end.
    It’s not like we haven’t seen the movie “Armageddon”

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    Pops

    Anyone who has read Ranulph Fiennes book ‘Cold’ will know that he too regularly stripped to the skin while travelling in the Artic and Antarctic… of course, he was dragging a man-hauled sledge most of the time. It’s a good read, by the way, but spoiled near the end when he too prattles-on about mann-made goreble warming.

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    ScotsmaninUtah

    “Child of Krakatoa – Anak Krakatau”

    It’s back ! yes just when we all thought it was safe to go fishing in Java (NO ! not the language)

    Schatzie needs a little perspective….
    But first a quote ..
    “doing their work in environments that can be colder than -21 degrees Celsius, they’re digging into the ice with shovels to attach monitors, diving UNDERNEATH an impenetrable celling of ice”
    meanwhile, there are other scientists working to determine when a real disaster will happen.
    excuse me Schatzie , but Krakatua is calling !
    The last time a Volcano in this part of the world erupted (Krakatoa 1883). The explosion was heard in Perth Australia, it sent a wall of water (150 feet high ) and super heated gas across the Sundas Straight at 300 mph, killing 36,000 people.

    I can only imagine the loss in research funding that is badly needed elsewhere, and the IPCC Scientists are worried about a 6 celsius change in temperature over 100 years. :o

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    JJM Gommers

    It is hard to believe but this starts to look reminiscent at times just before WW2.
    Soon I have to expect that I get a sign on my coat

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    RB

    From the Guardian

    Two Arctic ice researchers presumed drowned after unseasonably high temperatures

    ….He explained that unexpectedly warm weather had forced him and fellow explorer Philip de Roo to complete that afternoon’s skiing in the Canadian Arctic in their underwear.

    That Tuesday was the hottest Resolute had been for the year, -8°C. The mean for the day was only 6°C above the longterm average for Apr-May. Temperatures, though, were generally below the average maxima for that time of year since October when the area was last close to the melting point of ice. The ice wasn’t thin because it was unseasonably warm.

    Fifteen US high school students were once treated in hospital for hypothermia after playing one half of football in a wind chill of -7°C and state guidelines meant that they wore warm clothing underneath their uniform. Biathalon contestents will wear layers under their lycra suits when it dips to those sort of temperatures. I’m guessing their underwear were at least thermals.

    From the Speakers Academy website

    When Marc Cornelissen finished his studies in 1995 at the Technical University in Delft (the Netherlands) he decided to trade in his promising career as an architect for that of a professional adventurer and organizer of expeditions. As an entrepreneur, Marc operates in a harsh reality, at the cutting edge, and is always searching for the right strategy, the best team and the satisfaction of a project that is deemed successful by everyone involved.

    From Philip de Roo’s Education profile at Linkedin

    2011: Business training at Scheidegger.
    2010: Mountain Rescue Winter training at Air Zermatt
    2009: WFR (Wilderness First Response) 10 day medical schooling for providing first aid in wilderniss situations.
    2009: Sports psychology training at NTI.
    2009: Mountain Rescue Summer training at Air Zermatt.
    2006: Graduated SRAW (Social Recreational Agogic Work).

    So thrill seekers with no shred of common sense and living the high life off of donations from the gullible died but we have some nut cases claiming people like Willie Soon murdered these selfless scientists.

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      andersm0

      Death by Misadventure is a painful truth to accept for bereaved family and friends who typically need someone to blame. These Dutch adventurers put me so much in mind of Timothy Treadwell, a Californian, who was convinced the Alaskan brown bears loved him. He lived with them, played with them and then was eaten by them.

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    Having finally had a chance to read through all the comments, I can only hope that Schatzie is still paying attention. If you are, this is my real name and my address is 1810 Apache Drive, Dalhart, Texas. I work at the local Jr. High, teaching children. (How silly of the school, given my status as murderer.) Anyway, it’s easy to find me, Schatzie, if you want to pay a visit. Would love to host you. I should be around, unless I’m out at a gun show or a 2nd Amendment rally. Please add my name to the list you’ve started. (I would like for my name, too, to be above “Barak Obama”, but beggars can’t be choosers, I guess.)

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    ScotsmaninUtah

    The dynamically changing global climate – with or without human influence

    Here are a few fun videos which put us as a species into perspective.

    Documentary on ancient kingdoms which are now underwater (5000 years ago). An example of sea levels rising or land subsiding perhaps.
    Interestingly in the UK, a number of forts were built on the coast, they now are over a mile inland and this is repeated around the world with many previously built manmade structures now lying miles from the shoreline.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPWQ-Ax0o84

    Documentary on the Sahara which changes from desert to lush green landscape every 20,000 years
    The Sahara is home to multiple subterranean Aquifers that are 4 times larger than the Great Lakes.
    This is wonderful example of the cyclic nature of the Saharan climate and the evidence that the Earth’s titling coupled to the Sun’s output, directly influences this region of the Earth.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eUjXt49Qew

    Documentary on Everest and the Himalayans and its influence on the Global climate.
    The mountain range is responsible for causing an ice age and as the Mountain range is still growing it will add 300 miles to its length. This is already a source of serious CO2 cleansing.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KRTfKZfIp0

    The IPCC states in its report that by reducing the CO2 emissions humans can make a difference in the global climate and keep it as cool as it is now.
    But one has to ask the question, when faced with natural forces on scales that dwarf us as a species, will the IPCC’s recommended actions, actually work ?

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