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If the BOM was incompetent, the ABC would be the last to find out

According to the ABC  the Bureau of Met tells us that Queensland has experienced “the worst drought in 80 years” and that “37.3% of the state was covered by the lowest rainfall on record”. (Watch it on iview if you can bear to).

These exacting facts are easy to check, and Ken Stewart did, but the 1.1-billion-dollar ABC did not.

Ken used the BOM’s own websites (Climate Maps and Climate Change and Variability) and shows that the current drought is the worst in 9 years, not 80, and even if it is very bad (heartbreaking for some) it’s not unusual.

Current low rain is not unusual.

The current drought is bad (see red blobs in Queensland):

NW Queensland has missed two wet seasons in a row

The Federation Drought, circa 1900, was much much worse:

(Federation Drought graphed only 1900 – 1902)

Ken wrote to the ABC, and Genevieve Hussey replied immediately — effectively saying the ABC repeat all BOM claims, no matter how hyperbolic, extraordinary, or repetitive they sound.

The information in our report was based on an interview with climatologist Mr Jeff Sabburg from the Bureau of Meteorology. He was also interviewed by the ABC Country Hour the same day as the annual climate statement was released and said:

“In terms of rainfall deficiencies the comparison is we haven’t seen this across Queensland at least since the 1927- 1929 depression drought. These heat waves we’re getting a number of days in a row above 30- 40 degrees Celsius and then not getting reprieve at night time that’s certainly contributing to the point where there’s nothing much to evaporate away.”  –Genevieve Hussey

If millions of Australian citizens are misinformed, the ABC doesn’t seem too concerned. Not concerned enough to point at all the contradictions in their file footage of past droughts, or rainfall stats on the BOM’s own site. Not concerned enough to ask questions that 50% of skeptical Australians might be asking.

Any serious journalist would have asked the BOM whether it was misleading to call this drought the “worst”, when the  rainfall statistics so clearly suggest the opposite. Hypothetically, if the BOM was wallowing in a bureaucratized religious group-think, cherry picking their data, and adjusting data with inexplicable methods, the ABC would be defending them. Serving big-government, not the tax-payer.

The point of the ABC is not to ask our public institutions any hard questions after all. It’s there to cover for them.

More info:

Ken Stewarts post: Not the Worst Drought in 80 Years and .

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196 comments to If the BOM was incompetent, the ABC would be the last to find out

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    Glen Michel

    Check incompetent?


    Thanks Glen. No spellcheck on the headlines.; -) – Jo

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    FDink

    And to both our government continues to turn a blind eye.

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      Yes, the one question – the ONLY question – is: what the hell is the Abbott government doing about it?

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        Ted O'Brien.

        Can’t do much. Clive won’t let them.

        However if there is any intelligence at all in the ABC management, they must soon start realizing that one day they may have to account in reasonable terms for their journalistic standards.

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    James Bradley

    Okay, so we are experiencing the worst drought in 80 years.

    It’s terrible, it’s devastating and it’s been done before.

    In fact 50 years before… “climate change”.

    These folks sure don’t see what they’re looking at.

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    John F. Hultquist

    Do you not mean — The BOM is …
    Likewise, the ABC is …

    “is” causes a lot of trouble for such a little thing

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    jorgekafkazar

    At the ABC, misinformation is their most important product.

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    Unmentionable

    With any luck the area in drought will have shrunk a fair bit by the end of next week, nullschool looks pretty good through Wednesday, but not so much within the worst-affected areas is indicated as yet.

    At least it’s clear now the ABC always parrot BOM’s highly suspect claims without review, but it’s not that simple, the advocacy we saw from people like Tony Jones, and many others, and at SBS, for the past decade, can not be just fobbed-off by saying we just report exactly what BOM says. There is a culture of advocating a theory, by people who are NOT scientists, and who actively lambasted any non BOM aligned voices.

    There is clearly both cultural baggage and a problem that goes beyond present day ABC policy.

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      bobl

      Actually, we are rather used to taking BOM claims as verbatim, since in the past they have made some half reasonable predictions of weather a few days out, Albeit sometime forgetting to look out the window!

      Now however with earth science overtaken by activist zealots we are faced with an abrupt about face of the reliability of the BOM, not only that, the weather prediction and hydrological services remain pretty good so there is a real schizophrenic nature to the BOM driven by the activism that is hard to digest.

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        Unmentionable

        A good summary bobl, duel voices, forked tongue, quite. Their aviation weather packages remain rather good as well. You are right, it’s a fifth column of zealots that have worked their way into BOM that are severely damaging it from within, and thereby pulping its reputation. They are going to need better leadership and discipline which quashes it before it gets any worse, and then set about repairing the damage to data sets, then slowly mend fences externally. But the days of taking them at their professional word now been replaced with taking their word with a pinch of salt (Epson salt that is).

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    Chester

    It’s Jo Nova that is incompetent. how is it QLD total rainfall can be used as a measure of drought in some parts of the state?

    It can’t.

    You have misrepresented and smeared the Bureau.

    Pure idiocy. Pure non-science. Pure Nova.

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      handjive

      Quote Jonova:
      “the Bureau of Met tells us that Queensland has experienced “the worst drought in 80 years” and that “37.3% of the state was covered by the lowest rainfall on record”.

      Quote Chester:
      “how is it QLD total rainfall can be used as a measure of drought in some parts of the state?

      It can’t.

      You have misrepresented and smeared the Bureau.

      Pure idiocy. Pure non-science.”

      Pure Chester.

      Chester has trouble comprehending.

      Chester needs the Evelyn Woodhead Speed Reading Course.

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      Yonniestone

      Total rainfall Chester?

      Have another look at the last two maps of Australia and pay attention to the red blobs, I think you’ve overlooked this after years of conditioning to only notice ‘Green Blobs”.

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      Ken Stewart

      Hi Chester, why not check areas of Qld with rainfall deficiency on the BOM’s own website? Jo has given the link above. Actually I include another drought map in my post, showing rainfall deficiency in the 24 months to December 2003. The red blobs cover a much larger area than 2014. So it is possible to match statewide rainfall anomalies with drought maps. Now that is not to say that drought did not affect large areas of Queensland- a very large area is still officially “drought declared” and a good soaking this wet season is needed- but not for the length of time or severity as in 2003- or the 1990s or 1960s. Sorry Chester, you need to try much harder. D-.

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        Chester

        You guys are great at playing dumb….or are dumb. The time series graph that you use to indicate what you are claiming about the drought, is for all of QLD. Not the drought affected areas.

        You haven’t proven the Bureau or the ABC is wrong.

        And a similar mistake was made re the posts on ph.

        Now, let’s all give Jo some more money for her incompetence.

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          the Griss

          So Chesty-bond, Have you actually check any of the BOM or ABC statements..

          or do you, by brain-washing, just accept and believe.

          Never question, just go with what you are told .. that’s the way, little child. :-)

          BELIEF is paramount for you, isn’t it. ;-)

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          James Bradley

          Hey, Chester,

          I know who you are now. Took me a while.

          I saw you on that ABC show – The Inventors.

          Yeah, you were the runner-up, tough break huh.

          Say, I was wondering, just how are those specially flavoured bus windows working out for you anyway?

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          Dave N

          “The time series graph that you use to indicate what you are claiming about the drought, is for all of QLD.”

          You’re right about one thing: rainfall figures for all of Qld can’t necessarily be used to compare droughts.

          However, the drought figures for 2003 quoted in Ken’s post are well, drought figures; they support Ken’s claim regardless of the rainfall figures.

          The BOM and the ABC are still wrong about the severity of the current drought.

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      bobl

      Sometimes Chester you are really dumb.

      Look at the first chart, by my Eye this chart has about 20% coverage of Queensland, which seems to be much less that the 37% the BOM has claimed, explanation from the BOM as to why this is the case is required (some of those shires are huge and drought declaration is done by shire so I wouldn’t be surprised if 37% of Queensland were drought declared).

      Now look at the second picture of the federation drought Ca 1900, by my eye probably 90% of Queensland was drought stricken so the claim of “Worst Evaaah” needs to be explained by the BOM.

      So based on the evidence this is not Queensland’s worst drought, except for those folks in the dark red areas of the map. Not to mention in large parts of the state we had mega floods in 2011 AND 2013.

      So at the very least the BOM needs to qualify it’s alarmist pronouncements, it is not Queenslands worst ever drought Brisbanes and the Gold coast water storage is around 80% (so 80% of the population has plenty of water), nor is 37% affected by area although it could be 37% DECLARED – which is not the same thing, since declaration is done by shire and depends probably more on the water storage capacity in those areas as opposed to the actual weather.

      The BOMs language needs to be more measured, and the alarmism needs to be put in a box and buried somewhere

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        Rereke Whakaaro

        Sometimes Chester you are really dumb.

        Sometimes bobl, you are over generous. I don’t think I have ever seen Chester, not being three drinks short of a six-pack.

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        Chester

        “By my eye”

        Well, there you go – let’s use your eye to solve all of science’s problems, shall we?

        And, of course, that’s the same method the BoM would have used to calculate the % of the state in drought – eyeing a chart.

        This site has attracted dumb, dumber and all the dumbest.

        And they pay for the privilege of having their dumbness recorded.

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          the Griss

          “This site has attracted dumb, dumber and all the dumbest.”

          Yep.. here you are !!!

          A magnet for the most rabid brain-washed zombie alarmist.

          Glad to know you have donated. :

          Sweet dream, child.

          Think of me tonight ;-)

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            Chester

            “Yep you are here.”

            Too funny – I predicted you would give that response to my comment – Gristle Boy. Thanks for demonstrating the point so conclusively – you’re the quintessential Nova Groupie.

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          Eliza Doodle

          Yet Chester doesn’t have to pay for the privilege of coming here and displaying his capabilities while insulting the site’s generous host at the same time as everyone’s intelligence.

          Who pays voluntarily to hear what he has to say ?

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          Bobl

          I tell you what Chester if you can’t see that the second chart has more red than the first then I’d recommend an optometrist, or perhaps a psychiatrist, since maybe you are seeing what you want to see. What has been done here is a simple comparison, the ABCs declaration has been called into doubt and frankly it is up to the ABC now to justify their position. Queensland is just two years out from a major flood. Someone has checked their facts and there is evidence that the story is wrong and has said so, that’s everyones right in a country that values free speech.

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      Chesty here is a Queensland drought less than eighty years ago that is claimed to be just a wee bit bigger than 37%.
      http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/38935322?
      To help you with you calculations the current Antarctic sea ice area is about one area of Queensland.
      bigger than the satellite average.

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      Michael P

      Chester. When you make claims that

      It’s Jo Nova that is incompetent

      ,you are expected to explain how and why,if this is indeed the case. Most of the people here,don’t appreciate such smears being used under any circumstances whatsoever.

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      Richo

      Hi Chester

      Your an illiterate zombie, who has a track record like Nuttercelli, for not bothering to read the post in detail.

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        Peter C

        Illiterate Zombie.

        He reads but does not understand.

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          Olaf Koenders

          I was wondering who the incompetent sourpatch was that can only see thumbs in the red spectrum. Big fail Chester, even with the evidence clearly in front of your face. [SNIP - keep it clean, and not too personal against the anonymous no-name commenters ok - they're not worth it. - J]

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            Annie

            We could have done without that last sentence Olaf.

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            Alarmist Level 10

            Correct Chester – Nova and Stewart are clueless. You just have to laugh. BoM’s statement is correct. Fancy putting up a whole of Qld time series analysis with both very wet and dry parts of the state to confound a spatial analysis. Another low grade post like the pH bilge. What a hoot ! BoM must be laughing themselves to pieces with high intellect shown here. Another one for the Nova prangs scrap book. No skeptics here – they’ll just run with whatever the “gurus” tell them. Fancy taking Stewart’s word for anything. (I think they want to say that the Federation drought was worst on record spatially and temporally and maybe it was but that’s not what was reported).

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              Thanks for endorsing my point. Maybe the Federation Drought “was the worst”. Let me know when the ABC corrects its story, and starts giving Australian’s the whole perspective instead of the propaganda one, OK? ;-)

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                Chester

                Typical Nova sociopathy – unable to admit being totally wrong.

                Nova (not her real name) will be here posting d-crap when the rising oceans are lapping at her ill-gotten keyboard. And asking for money for doing so.

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                the Griss

                Chester.. possibly his real name. ;-)

                (seriously, what parent would name a child, Chester ???)

                Do you really still think oceans are rising at a rate to reach anyone’s keyboard? (maybe Turney’s on a bad day)

                bizarre and bizzarer !!

                What are your smoking? something ‘new’, that’s for certain !!!

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                Alarmist Level 10

                No it’s not OK. You’re presiding over an illiterate whinge fest about BoM and you are endorsing the usual quackery we get from Stewart. Fancy using a whole of Queensland number to discuss a regional drought. And he should know as he’s at ground zero (LOL). What BoM have said is correct. You should be more sceptical of the drivel you are sent by activists. All droughts are different – perhaps they should just campaign that they have not discussed 1991-95 drought too and a myriad of other interesting event trivia. Low news week eh Jo?

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                Mr anonymous, you are good at namecalling, not so hot with reasoning. Just point to the part in the ABC story where they describe this as “regional”. They went with the “worst ever” message, it only takes a couple of words to make that slightly accurate and informative rather than grossly misleading. Even Hussey didn’t bother to quote those careful caveats, because they were never said were they?

                Go right ahead and list the hard questions they asked Mr Jeff Sabburg.

                1. ….
                2. ….
                3. ….

                Got nothing? Exactly.

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                James Bradley

                Hey, Chester,

                If you feel genuinely agrieved by Jonova’s comment just click on the lower right side the post next to the red and green thumb – see it there where it says:

                ‘Report this’

                It’s a natural for a whining bedwetter – just dob her in – see how far that gets you. Might be good for a giggle.

                Other than that I’d say your multiple contributions has assisted in another blog award for Jonova this year, and don’t forget, you and the other human centipede alarmist segments only help to maintain Jonova’s KPI’s.

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                the Griss

                Alarmist grade -10,

                You poor little irrelevant child.

                Bring something to the table other than desperation next time.

                You are just as empty as all the other brain-washed ranters that cannot back up a single word of their verbal spew with any facts.

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                the Griss

                “All droughts are different –”

                Well DUH !!!

                And yes, there have been many of them throughout even the short span of Australian history.

                When will you loony alarmists wake up to the FACT that…

                …. there is NOTHING UNPRECEDENTED happening with climate anywhere in the world. !!!

                In fact the last several decades have actually been rather benign in the greater scheme of time !!

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              the Griss

              Nice sarc, level 10.. well done :-)

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              Richo

              Hi Zombie No 10

              Even the Clim Syndicate thought the BOM was a joke in the ClimateGate e-mails.

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              the Griss

              I heard the alarmista get their level awards from how many hours of ABC they watch a day.

              Or how many times they have attended the John Kook “climate” course. ! :-)

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              Here is a non “spatial analysis” claim for you Chester and Alarmist level 10. About Queensland
              Jeff Sabburg says the records show 2014 was the driest year since the Depression in the late 1920′s“.
              http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-06/bureau-weather-wrap-2014/6001826

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              Wayne Job

              I do not comment often, but I have to say that the amount of new scientific studies being released by many and varied scientists around the world in the past year that totally point away from any role of CO2 influencing the planets temperature in any way.

              The previous sentence may have been long but it is true. The alarmists here attacking our good host are trying to plug holes in a sinking ship. In times of yore scientific malfeasance was reasonably easy, as the message could be controlled, the internet has made it very hard for them. The likes of this chester person would in the past been believers in Phlogiston.

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          Mark D.

          Illiterate Zombie.

          He reads but does not understand.

          No, can’t read and is among the living dead.

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      Chester,

      If you had read, and comprehended, what Jo actually wrote, she was actually pointing out that the ABC was the party misrepresenting and smearing the Bureau, through their poor reportage and fanatic desire to always be he harbingers of doom. In fact Jo points out that the bureau says one thing, whilst the ABC says something else, in an attempt to sensationalise it.

      That is not good journalism.

      In the same way, you were so determined to use your cute (but meaningless) alliterated phrasing, on the word “pure”, that you only saw what you wanted to see. You are very transparent, you know.

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    TdeF

    In the search for sensationalism, the BOM is becoming worse than the cricket, except cricket experts would be horrified at such a manufactured wrong statistic from people paid to get it right. Is there a small group in the BOM who are tasked with creating drama? What happened to the devastating cyclone last year which was supposed to be worse than Yasi and wipe out FNQ but made no more impact than the usual storm? Newspaper headlines announced total devastation, courtesy of disastrous BOM predictions. Then the BOM were full of easy explanations after the event. We the employer want the facts, not headline grabbing sensationalism.

    So where are the ABC Fact Checkers, an expensive department wholly to prevent misinformation from anyone? To go to the argument that they just report stuff without checking, even when questions are asked, is a travesty.

    As for the iView, it has been suspended while the ABC looks at putting it behind a firewall as they consider charging for the story and morph into unaccountable privately controlled self justifying commercial organization. Just like Fairfax except for the $1+Bn in public money they soak up every year. Why should they compete in the internet? What special honesty does an uncontrolled, independent but publicly funded organization bring to the internet? What special local Australian content? What local news? What local production? A GM on twice the salary of the Prime Minister? A publicly subsidized commercial ABC competing makes no sense. Peppa Pig is a UK import.

    The big question is whether the BOM is presenting this as Global Warming or even Climate Change or simply the climate? Or are they trying to worry the farmers who are facing devastating continuing drought if the monsoons fail again? From the weather map, there seems to be a lot of hope so perhaps it is the last opportunity for doom and gloom from the last nationwide drought? Who needs fabricated disaster stories from the ABC? We are paying for the truth, nothing less. We can choose to pay for sensationalized news. Sell the ABC. The internet and the NBN have made a huge publicly funded allegedly impartial broadcaster absurd and so 20th century.

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      Glen Michel

      The ABC goes about its news and general reporting in a perfunctory fashion; no authority and no thought other than some specious news items.James Dibble and Martin Royal were excellent newsreaders unlike the present lot who think it’s all about them(Jeremy)

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      Unmentionable

      BOM are now regularly having to explain to incensed locals their (once unheard of) ineptitude and tardy (outdated and not updated in time, nor even accurate) tropical cyclone warnings. They probably should also wait until a swirly 25 kt tropical storm at 999 hectopascals actually has a closed eye circulation and a central dense overcast around its entire periphery, before even thinking of naming it a ‘cyclone’. Every time the BOM name cyclones the locals are not fooled, the average observer does in fact know the difference just by looking at the imagery. Plus having an inexperienced 22 year old from BOM in Melbourne, on ABC 24 telling locals in NQ or Darwin about cyclones, is unwise to say the least. Indigenous tribes have Elders for a reason, they’ve been around, they know what’s what. BOM and ABC might want to consider that and use far more experienced spokes people and field specialists (preferably not in Melbourne) if they want to build back cred, be listened to, and actually inform people (that is the point, right, ABC?).

      —-
      As for the cricket, thank you, not the place, but you’ve nailed it. (I must regrettably self-censor or the mod will surely spank me if I said what I think of the current emotionally devastated team of sooks. Fellas, the job description is hitting a bit of cow skin with a stick ‘n running a few yards. Superheros, orators and emotional cripples need not apply.)

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      ABC Fact Checkers aka Ministry of Truth

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    bemused

    As it’s so often stated around the world, the media is the problem.

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    spangled drongo

    The valleys in my area which are very sandy soil and which parch noticeably in any bad [but not exceptional] drought such as we had last year, remained surprisingly green.

    Courtesy of extra CO2?

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    handjive

    SMH, Oct 2014:
    “Bureau of Meteorology officials, meanwhile, told Senate estimates on Monday that Australia was on a clear warming path, with temperatures rising between 0.71 and 0.76 degrees since 1960, depending on the methods used.”
    ~ ~ ~
    And, so, with the BoM warmest alarmist methods ignoring the Federation Drought, we arrive at the hottest year ever, 2014:

    BoM – 2014 was Australia’s third-warmest year on record: our interactive map shows how it compares to the past 100 years.
    ~ ~ ~
    Important BoM Footnotes:
    1. SMH, Oct 2014: Bureau of Meteorology to change terminology for rain forecasts
    “The change is possible because of the BoM’s new Meteye autographic information system, which divides the nation into six square kilometre grids and allows for highly localised meteorological observations and forecasting within each square.”

    2. SMH, Oct 2014: Bureau’s MetEye service revolutionising the way we understand the weather

    “Crucially, the service omits weather warnings.
    The bureau warns users not to rely on it when extreme weather has been forecast.
    “It is provided as a public service and data should be used entirely at your own risk.
    MetEye does not replace the bureau’s official forecasts and warnings.

    It should not be used for critical decision-making,” a statement on the bureau’s website says.
    MetEye is one of the products developed as part of the Next Generation Forecast and Warning System, a $30 million upgrade of weather services funded by the federal government.”
    . . .
    Isn’t “revolution” just another word for spin?

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      the Griss

      Hey, HJ Notice the page that I link below to rainfall starts in 1900.

      While the temperature map starts in 1914 !!

      Now, I wonder why they would do that.. :-)

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        handjive

        Nice catch, Griss.

        2014 was a good year for cherry pickers like the BoM:

        ABC: 2014 Cherry season crop set to be among biggest in Australian history
        ~ ~ ~
        Even the cherries don’t buy the BoM’s doomsday sermons.

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      Robert O

      Knowing a little about science I just wonder how can one give such precise temperature data, a 0.71 to 0.76 degree increase since 1960, when it is difficult to measure accurately to more than, say, 0.2 of degree. The standard error would more likely be 0.70 plus or minus 0.25, wouldn’t it? But how many Senators would know much about science anyhow! That is the problem.

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        Ted O'Brien..

        Senators? It was a British Prime Minister, Benjamin Disraeli, who labelled statistics the 3rd degree of untruth, above lies and damned lies.

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        Peter C

        Right on Robert,

        “Bureau of Meteorology officials, meanwhile, told Senate estimates on Monday that Australia was on a clear warming path, with temperatures rising between 0.71 and 0.76 degrees since 1960, depending on the methods used.”

        Not only do the BOM officials exaggerate the precision of their estimates, they also are into prophesy, when they talk about “a clear warming path”.

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        Rereke Whakaaro

        One of the things I look at in terms of veracity, is the precision (the number of decimal places) of what is being reported.

        The BOM are fond of reporting temperature to two decimal places, i.e. in hundredths of a degree. Can we measure temperature to that precision? Yes we can, with the most up-to-date equipment. But what of the historical temperatures that the current temperatures are compared to? Well, at best, they can be accurate to one-tenth of a degree, and in most cases only to half a degree.

        When you understand that, and see that the BOM are actually talking in terms of mythical numbers that are only a teensy, bitty, higher than their base figures (which were inaccurate anyway).

        The BOM do not lie. The just use math in unexpected ways.

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          Ian George

          Another example of this, Rereke.
          The AWS thermometers are quite sensitive and react very quickly to sudden changes in temperature. The older mercury thermometers were not as sensitive.
          Therefore maximums will be a little higher than the past (and, of course, minimums will be a little lower).

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            the Griss

            “The AWS thermometers are quite sensitive and react very quickly to sudden changes in temperature.’

            gees, on a hot day, a BOM guy could go out and open the Stevenson Screen at the hottest part of the day..

            Nah.. would never happen… would it ???

            (Sydney, January 2013)

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              Ian George

              Remember it well, tG. Temp rose 0.9C in 4 mins and then dropped 1.1C in the next 6 mins.
              There you go – a new record for Sydney.

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                the Griss

                The summary from the Obs Hill AWS the next day read 45.3°C (same as in 1939)

                Where they got the 45.8°C value from is anyone’s guess. !!

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                Rereke Whakaaro

                Misreading the hand-written figures. It is easy to interpret a “3″ as an “8″ if it is written in a rounded form.

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            Ian George

            Further to my post re electronic thermometers, I just found this at: http://notrickszone.com/#sthash.TGoBH0E8.dpbs.
            From meteorologist Klaus Hager who was active in meteorology for 44 years and has been a lecturer at the University of Augsburg for almost 10 years. He is considered an expert in weather instrumentation and measurement.
            ‘For eight years I conducted parallel measurements at Lechfeld. The result was that compared to the glass thermometers, the electronic thermometers showed on average a temperature that was 0.9°C warmer. Thus we are comparing – even though we are measuring the temperature here – apples and oranges. No one is told that.”

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              The Backslider

              Yes, this is a point I have been making recently.

              I previously lived in Lightning Ridge (it gets very hot!!), where it’s very easy to actually feel these momentary spikes in temperature…. as a hot breeze comes by for a few moments, then the temperature drops again. A bulb thermometer would never measure this, whereas an electric thermometer would.

              I think you would see even higher differences in warmer climates.

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          gai

          For the USA, I found some rather interesting books/journals on temperature measurement that calls into question all the ‘Adjustments’ made to older data at least in the USA. Unlike today these people were true and careful scientists. They also give the error for the instruments and the reading techniques.

          An instruction manual for volunteers (1892):
          https://archive.org/stream/instructionsforv00unitrich#page/20/mode/2up

          What is interesting is two different thermometers are used. An alcohol for the minimum readings and a mercury for the maximum readings. Both are provided by the US government plus precise instructions for building a Stevenson screen and where it should be located.

          The reason for the use of two thermometer as Willis Isbister Milham states in the following book is that they are more precise than a Six Min/Max thermometer.

          Willis Isbister Milham also states there are 180 to 200 ‘regular’ weather stations ordinarily in the larger cities, 3600 to 4000 coop stations and 300 to 500 special stations. He seems to imply the ‘regular’ stations are professionally run stations.

          Meteorology: A Text-book on the Weather, the Causes of Its Changes, and Weather Forecasting By Willis Isbister Milham 1918

          The observations of temperature taken at a regular station are the real air temperature at 8 am and 8 pm, the highest and lowest temperatures of the preceding 12 hours, and a continuous thermograph record…. (Richard Freres thermograph) ….these instruments are located in a thermometer shelter which is ordinarily placed 6 to 10 feet above the roof of some high building in the city. At a Cooperative station the highest and lowest temperatures during a day are determined, and also the reading of the maximum thermometer just after it has been set. The purpose of taking this observation is to make sure that the maximum thermometer has been set and also to give the real air temperature at the time of observation….

          page 77

          If a good continuous thermograph record for at least twenty years is available, the normal hourly temperatures for the various days of the year can be computed….

          …the average temperature for a day is found by averaging the 24 values of hourly temperature observed during that day….

          ….If the normals are based on twenty years of observations, it will be found that there is not an even transition from day to day, but jumps of even two or three degrees occur….

          I thought it quite interesting that Willis Isbister Milham was talking about 20 years of hourly data in 1918 as well as taking precise reading at 8 am and 8 pm. Shoots down all that TOBS ‘adjustment’ nonsense doesn’t it?

          On page 68 he says a thermometer in a Stevenson screen is correct to within a half degree. It is most in error on still days, hot or cold. “In both cases the indications of the sheltered thermometers are two conservative.”
          on Page 70

          The Ventilated thermometer which is the best instrument for determining the real air temperature, was invented by Assman at Berlin in 1887…will determine the real air temperature correctly to a tenth of a degree.

          Another book The American Meteorological Journal, Volume 8 from 1891 also mentions the Richard Freres thermograph

          An Account of the “Leste,” or hot wind of Madeira
          by H. Coupland Taylor, M. D. F. R. Met. Soc.

          Being an invalid, I must beg for the indulgence of the Society for the irregular times of obervation and the other defects the Fellows may discover in the following paper.

          I must first state that my insturments are placed in a regulation Stevenson screen…. The maximum and minimum thermometers are by Casella, and duly tested at Kew….I also have had in use for some months a self-registering hair hygrometer by MM. Richard Freres of Paris, and likewise a thermograph by the same makers but no very severe Leste has occurred since I had them.

          This “Leste” is a very dry and parching wind and sometimes very hot,….

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      HJ: “Isn’t “revolution” just another word for spin?”
      I stopped looking at MetEye when I noticed it consistently reporting surface temperatures in the local Coral Sea well above 30°C.

      As far as I can tell, the monthly weather tables at eg http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/dwo/IDCJDW4128.latest.shtml don’t get fiddled with, but they do disappear after 14 months.
      For Townsville Aero (in the “dry” tropics) I have the CSV files from 08/2004 to 05/2012, and the annual average rainfall for that period was 1437.2 mm, compared to the stated long term average (eg from commencement in early 1950s) of 1121.5 mm.
      So the “rainfall deficiencies … across Queensland” also looks like spin.

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      Ted O'Brien..

      What does a six square kilometre grid look like? And how many such grids are there? It would be much easier to visualise a six kilometre square grid. And it would be much easier if we could have confidence in the quality of the journalist’s grammar.

      Whichever it is, what percentage of units on this grid have recording facilities? Only satellites could measure them.

      So how long have the satellites been doing this? Ah, this system is brand new! Unfortunately in a “climate” of questionable integrity.

      So how can it be compared with previously available systems? Only roughly.

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    tom0mason

    .
    That rainfall graph looks very realistic and normal for this part of the world.
    Yep it’s quite chaotic, with it’s very irregular & highly variable highs and lows.
    What’s up BOM, has your homogenizer stopped working?

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    the Griss

    An ABC page that covers all Australia, year by year.

    Hint. droughts occur in Australia often and in variable places.

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      the Griss

      Seems we have 3 people (at time of this post) that object to a link to actual INFORMATION, even though it is from their ABC.

      I assume those 3 people (or bots) are brain-washed alarmist cult members.

      INFORMATION scared them, it seems. :-)

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        tom0mason

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        My current working hypothesis is that it is a trifurcated clone auto-red-thumb-bot with one owner, working in tandem on their eyefoney, slatetabletpadthingy, and their PeeCee.

        Their mummy will be very annoyed when she finds out!

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    Neville

    This is a scandal, but will the taxpayer receive an apology?
    Everyone here knows this is idiotic nonsense so why doesn’t their ABC and the BOM? What are we paying these fools for?

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    the Griss

    “In terms of rainfall deficiencies the comparison is we haven’t seen this across Queensland at least since the 1927- 1929 ”

    Maybe climate is changing back !! ;-)

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    Ted O'Brien..

    The effects, both physical and financial, of the current drought in northern Australia have been greatly exacerbated by the fact that Australia was overstocked with cattle when the drought started.

    This was the result of the stopping of live cattle exports to Indonesia in 2011 by the Gillard/Brown government, undertaken at the call of an animal liberation group calling themselves Animals Australia and the ABC’s 4 Corners program. The cattle which were supposed to go to Indonesia were still in Australia eating grass.

    When 4 Corners put to air the video which had been made by AA, the objective for both, and of the government also, was to create the financial situation we see today, with a large part of Australia’s cattle industry bankrupt. People who do not understand the whole story are now blaming the drought for the bankruptcies. The drought was just piled on top of pre existing problems which had been deliberately created by government.

    Global Warming sceptics would do well to study this story. It is part of the same overall plan, driven by a bizarre alliance of two groups of 1. people who subscribe to the teachings of Marx and 2. people whose greed knows no bounds, each group believing that when it has gained full control of the economy it will be able to annihilate the other.

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    Tom O

    I must admit, this article referring to the ABC does use a phrase that obviously is inappropriate. When it says “any serious journalist” it used 2 words that quite obviously don’t apply – serious and journalist. Even a parrot would be ashamed of repeating ignorant drivel, which this “journalist(?)” doesn’t seem to mind.

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      I assumed it was a typing error, with the word “serious” being typed, instead of “spurious”. Using voice to print technology does that sometimes.

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    Schrodinger's Cat

    Well done. Corporations like the ABC and BBC need to be held to account. Unfortunately, the BBC (and I suspect the ABC) seem to regard themselves as above criticism.

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    Ruairi

    The news desk at ABC,
    Will report what the BOM will decree,
    Not weather that’s actual,
    Or climate that’s factual,
    But whatever they want it to be.

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    Robert O

    Unfortunately, with 24 hour media coverage they are always looking for some sort of story to tell and do not bother to verify its veracity; nor do they bother to apologise when it is pointed out it is wrong. That is the media culture of today. Certainly there is severe drought in parts of western Qld.; that is not in dispute, and will hopefully be negated this coming wet season, but the lack of professional journalism and bias is a deep-seated problem in many media outlets the ABC not withstanding. Believe nothing of what you hear and half of what you see and you cannot go wrong.

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      James Bradley

      Griss,

      Probably same as the rest of the country – Pi$$ing down.

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        the Griss

        I just think its rather funny that BOM are talking drought in Qld.. and along comes a deluge !

        The weather is not helping the warmists’ cause much is it :-)

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          James Bradley

          Yeah, anyone can tell you what the weather was like last week with 100% accuracy.

          And we don’t really want to know that last week’s dry spell could be different from all the other dry spells for the last 100,000 years because this one may have been caused by cow fart$.

          That’s not what we’re going for with the Bom is it, I mean that’s not really in the BoM portfolio.

          What we want to know is what will happen next week, next month, next year.

          They could call it long range weather forecasting.

          I’m sure there’ll be a quid in it someday.

          The BoM should contract Haydon Walker.

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    bobl

    Can some of our friends in N America or Europe give us an update on your big freeze, Anthony has been a little absent this Christmas (On vacation I think) in particular I’d like to know how the great lakes ice cover is doing? I heard on NBC that New York was expecting 2 feet of snow?

    Oh for some global warming hey?

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      Chris in Hervey Bay.

      I’m off to Philadelphia Thursday, via LAX and Detroit for 3 months, so I’ll let you know.

      Yes, I have been watching the weather closely ! Don’t want to get stuck in Detroit !

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      Mark D.

      Bobl, damn cold here -5F but not much snow. November was exceedingly cold, December was above normal, January so far has been colder than normal and we’re heading into the coldest weeks of winter soon. Precipitation has been below normal. This in the Western Great Lakes-upper Mississippi region

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        Bobl

        Thanks Mark. Isn’t weather odd just when you think the world is getting hotter momma nature throws in a curly one or two.

        How’s the lake ice, they were expecting lake effect snow on NBC Today yesterday? I guess even with the cold it’s probably better without the snow, living here in subtropical Queensland, we ‘don’t know what snow is’…

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          Mark D.

          Bobl, GL ice can be followed here: http://www.weather.gov/cle/GreatLakesIce_Analysis

          with this current image: http://coastwatch.glerl.noaa.gov/glsea/cur/glsea_cur.png Showing 15% ice coverage. Superior is cold though and I expect she’ll rapidly develop ice if there are some calm days. Erie looks like she might be iced over soon and that will put an end to lake effect snow.

          Funny the experts were suggesting that Superior would have a tough time icing over this year owing to a much increased water volume because of last winter’s snow (way above normal). We shall see. I think we’ll see a lot of ice soon.

          No or low snow is a significant problem here as the frost goes deep into the ground. We’ll have frozen water mains and septic systems that stop flowing if it stays this way during the coldest -20F -30F days ahead. Besides that, without snow there is nothing to do for fun (snowshoeing, snowmobiling etc.) I can tell you that winter birds are scarce at my feeders this year. It’s been tough for them.

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      gai

      It is DARN COLD!

      Not quite a record for my town but close at 9 °F (12.7°C) with a good wind. We are wearing sweatshirts and jackets in the house and my husband pulled out the big fluffy down jacket to hay these last two mornings. (We are below the normal snow line in North Carolina.)

      IceAgeNow(dot)Info keeps track of the major cold and snowy weather events around the world.

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    Graham Richards

    Funding of the ABC must be reformed.

    I believe they should get all the funds they require from the carbon tax.

    That should sort that one!!!!!

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      If we can’t privatize it, it should be a voluntary “tick the box” option on tax returns.

      With 11 million taxpayers, that would be $100 each per year, except if half say “no thanks”, that either cuts the ABC budget in half, or means people have to pay $200 each.

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        Bobl

        They should just regulate it with an ombudsman and have a truly independent complaints process, with teeth, fines/removal of content or people. The public can keep them honest given the mechanisms to make complaintsare put in place. Given the poor responses of the complaints unit to 100m Williams equating of 57% of the population to Rapists and Pedophiles, and Dr. Karl’s keenly defended misrepresentation of the Met office , I don’t hold any illusion that the public can exact any retribution on the ABC for it’s green propaganda efforts.

        The ABC is about the only government organisation that is not properly accountable to a minister (peoples representative) as well. So there is very little public accountability of the ABC at the moment. Not that ministerial accountability is desirable.

        Every other media organisation is accountable to ACMA, but the ABC is exempt from ACMA oversight. Make the ABC simply play by commercial media rules by extending oversight to it the same as Commercial media.

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          gai

          That idea didn’t work with the BBC they just ignored the complaints and then had the usual rubber stamp from the review board when the outcry became too loud. So the BBC keeps on reporting rubbish and censoring skeptic comments despite the complaints.

          If the entire system is dishonest the only option is to toss it or make funding completely voluntary as Jo suggested.

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            Lord Jim

            Or maybe, as the ABC is the ‘people’s station’, those elected to the board should actually be elected by the people.

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        Eliza Doodle

        Isn’t the ABC for telling us what we need to hear ?
        Even church tithes are voluntary though and who would consider the ABC to be greater and more deserving than their Church ?
        Unless it is their church of course.

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        FDink

        If the management of the BOM and ABC were reversed, nobody would know the difference.

        Jo’s idea of making the ABC directly accountable to the public is a good one. If the tax return doesn’t fly (with this government we shouldn’t hold our breath), then perhaps we can get it onto the ballot of the next poll. ABC’s budget can then be weighted by their public approval…

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      Safetyguy66

      I was listening to Radio National the other day and they had a segment on “cover version” songs (pretty in depth journalism). One of the things they mentioned several times was that many of the tracks they played came from the JJJ “Like a Version” CD. So ABC will not promote products or services…. unless of course they are ABC products and services.

      Why we tolerate a tax payer funded, left/green think tank which competes with legitimate private media outlets and makes up the rules as it goes along is beyond me.

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    pat

    CAGW scepticism in Brazil, in India, & now Japan Times picks up George Will’s Washington Post article! whatever next?
    check the cartoon illustration:

    9 Jan: Japan Times: George Will: Learn from climate change’s instructive past
    We know, because they often say so, that those who think catastrophic global warming is probable and perhaps imminent are exemplary empiricists. They say those who disagree with them are “climate change deniers” disrespectful of science.
    Actually, however, something about which everyone can agree is that of course the climate is changing — it always is. And if climate Cassandras are as conscientious as they claim to be about weighing evidence, how do they accommodate historical evidence of enormously consequential episodes of climate change not produced by human activity? Before wagering vast wealth and curtailments of liberty on correcting the climate, two recent books should be considered…
    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2015/01/09/commentary/world-commentary/learn-from-climate-changes-instructive-past/#.VLAnBnubt-5

    google’s al-gore-ithm results i got from a search of “george will learn from climate change’s instructive past”.
    below is what immediately followed the WaPo result…talk about doubling down!
    clicking on “news” there were approx 150 results in the first grouping but, clicking to see them, the Japan Times (or Daily Mail or other MSM who picked up the article) results did not show up. instead, i got just a few links with the following included, & nothing further if i clicked on “omitted results”.
    interestingly, repeating the search just now is giving me an entirely different set of results and only the Japan Times link in “news”:

    George Will Gets It Exactly Backward On Climate Change
    ThinkProgress‎ – 1 day ago

    George Will Misreads History To Deny Climate Change
    Media Matters for America‎ – 3 hours ago

    George Will Gets It Exactly Backward On Climate Change …
    thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/01/08/…/george-will-climate-backwards/

    George Will Misreads History To Deny Climate Change …
    mediamatters.org/blog/2015/01/09/georgewill…to…climate…/202079
    George Will’s Incorrect Claim on Historical Climate Change …
    http://www.desmogblog.com/…/george-will-s-incorrect-claim-historical-climat...

    the MSM (incl google) is the problem.

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    handjive

    BoM: Temperature data methodologies at the Bureau of Meteorology

    “All scientific work at the Bureau is subject to expert peer review.
    Almost all of our methodologies are published in the peer-reviewed scientific literature.”
    . . .
    Now, we here @jonova could spend hours searching BoM archives for any transparent examples of the non-peer reviewed methodologies that the BoM/UN-IPCC use to advocate for carbon(sic) action.

    Instead, let’s wait for ‘the red thumber’, or someone, anyone, to post a link to this non-peer reviewed information.
    . . .
    Some more BoM links:

    The BoM/UN-IPCC link, SMH:
    Dr Scott Power, a researcher at the Australian Bureau of Meteorology, said the world would use up its “carbon budget” in the next two decades, and if it overspent that budget, then the world would warm more than 2 degrees, leading to more severe impacts from climate change on people and ecosystems.
    “Limiting climate change requires substantial and sustained reductions in greenhouse gas emissions,” he said.
    Emissions, now at an all-time high, would have to drop by 20 per cent to 40 per cent in the next 30 years, he said, replaced by wind and solar energy.
    At an IPCC meeting in Berlin this year, there was heated argument over the economics of climate change, and the relative obligations of different countries in the developed and developing world. 

    ABC, Sept 2014:
    Dr Jeff Sabburg from the Bureau of Meteorology says there are no drought-breaking rains on the horizon for Queensland

    Oct 2014 Courier Mail: Cyclones, high fire danger in Queensland summer of extreme weather
    “The weather bureau agrees, saying that although conditions are a little short of what would be termed an El Nino, below-average rainfall is expected.”

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    Robert Nelson

    What I find strange is BOM are giving temperature reading at Penrith lakes, Penrith lakes is a man made lake scheme is only 16 years old and the body of water which has getting greater ever year ; How can you get an accurate long time temperature from that ?

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    redress

    A summery of the current rain event you wont see on the ABC…..or any other MSM for that matter.
    Someone with a better maths brain than mine may like to calculate the area of Australia currently under flood watch.

    Its been a long while since there have been flood warnings in all States and Territories except Tasmania.
    Hopefully this is the break in the pattern which ends the drought cycle for awhile.

    The following Watches/Warnings are current: VICTORIA
    Flood Watch for North East Victoria (Upper Murray, Mitta Mitta, Kiewa, Ovens and King Catchments)
    Flood Watch for the Campaspe, Loddon, Avoca and Wimmera Basins
    Flood Watch for the Goulburn and Broken Basins

    The following Watches/Warnings are current: QUEENSLAND
    Moderate flood warning for the Bulloo, Paroo, Lower Warrego, Nicholson and Leichhardt Rivers.

    Flood Risk : SOUTH AUSTRALIA
    The forecast heavy rain may lead to significant widespread flooding during Friday and Saturday over the Pastoral districts. During Saturday, Sunday and Monday these conditions will extend over the Flinders, Mid North, Riverland and Murraylands. Rainfall may lead to significant stream rises and possible flooding in the Mount Lofty Ranges during Saturday, Sunday and Monday.

    Flood Warning: WESTERN AUSTRALIA
    Flood Warning for the Fitzroy River Catchment, Northern Interior District, West Kimberley including Cape Leveque.
    Final Flood Warning for the North Kimberley

    Flood Watch: NORTHERN TERRITORY
    Flood Watch for Western and Eastern Inland Rivers. Catchments likely to be affected include the Todd and Finke Rivers.
    People planning to travel in the Tanami, Barkly, Lasseter and Simpson districts are advised to check road conditions and weather forecasts before embarking.

    Flood warning: NEW SOUTH WALES
    Flood warning for the Warrego and Paroo Rivers.

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    pat

    believing Government is responsible for a “stable climate”!!!

    9 Jan: Crikey: Marie McInerney: Waiting for Godot: Bushfires, heat and climate change – a doctor’s compelling view from the #SAfires
    It was a very tense time for Dr David Shearman, Honorary Secretary of Doctors for the Environment Australia, with the fire front kilometres away from his home. It was also, he says, another timely and urgent reminder for the Federal Government that human health is fundamentally dependent on a stable climate and healthy environment and both should be public health priorities.
    Read his comprehensive post below about the risks and action needed, and this Guardian report that the Victorian Government is seeking “urgent” talks with the New South Wales and South Australian governments to forge a united front against Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s stance on climate change…
    Dr David Shearman writes: …These traumas have always existed in rural Australia. But with increasing and more extreme weather events, there is a sense of progression to the unmanageable…
    http://blogs.crikey.com.au/croakey/2015/01/09/waiting-for-godot-bushfires-heat-and-climate-change-a-doctors-compelling-view-from-the-safires/

    interview with Pachauri who says Govts may have to keep global temperature rise to 1.5 degrees!

    (2 pages) 8 Jan: Economic Times India: Pachauri: India should take a more proactive role in climate change negotiations
    by Urmi A Goswami
    Pachauri: Let me emphasise – the Conference of Parties to the UNFCCC (United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change) had agreed that the period 2013-15 will be used to review whether temperature rise should be limited to 2 or 1.5 degrees…
    This country has a serious problem of energy security, we are importing almost 90% of our hydrocarbon consumption. We have made projections based on rigorous modelling that if continue with business as usual, then by 2030-31 we will be importing ***900MT of coal every year. Where is that coal going to come from? Do we have the port capacity, the transport infrastructure to move that coal?…
    http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2015-01-08/news/57838284_1_lima-round-climate-change-climate-talks

    ***for comparison, Reuters has reported that 210.6 million tonnes of coal were imported by India in 2014.

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      tom0mason

      Thanks Pat for the update.

      And

      Economic Times India: Pachauri: India should take a more proactive role in climate change negotiations

      The peddler of pururlent potboiler paperbacks, Pachauri, does not understand that India is being proactive, rightly proactive about its best interests and not the UNs interests.
      If only the rest of the world would wake-up and start to follow India’s, Canada’s and Australia’s lead.

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      Len

      “Dr” Shearman probably doesn’t have a doctorate in Medicine. “Doctors” for Environmental Australia is misleading as most of them would not possess a doctorate. The French use the term Medicans san Frontieres when referring to a medical organisation. Shoud use Medical Practitioners for Environmental Australia. This lowers the apparent prestige of the group.

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        the Griss

        Certainly ZERO studies in anything to do with climate, atmospheric physic, etc etc

        Just another pseudo-academic jumping on the climate funding bandwagon.

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      Unmentionable

      “… Victorian Government is seeking “urgent” talks with the New South Wales and South Australian governments to forge a united front against Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s stance on climate change…
      Dr David Shearman writes: …These traumas have always existed in rural Australia. But with increasing and more extreme weather events, there is a sense of progression to the unmanageable…”

      VIC, NSW and SA governments, please read this book:

      Are Digital and Social Media Creating a Universal Loss of a Sense of Proportion and General Sense of Unreality in Government?

      That book hasn’t actually been written yet, but keep it up, it surely will become a best seller.

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    the Griss

    Just looked at the rainfall for this year at a couple of places in NW Qld

    Camooweal 105mm

    Mt Isa 192mm yes.. nearly 8 inches !!!!!! (that’s 9 days)

    Australia….. A land of drought and FLOODING rains !!

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      Frank

      Oscar,
      And you wonder why you are continually called out for cherry-picking ?

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        the Griss

        DOHHHH. Poor Frank.

        Look at the first of the charts with red on it.

        The majority of that red is in NW Qld. Mt Isa region. !

        Those two point just happen to be the first two I checked in that region.

        Feel free to check more for yourself (if you can figure out how).

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        the Griss

        Gees Frankie-Boi,

        The main pocket of drought in the second figure is around Mt Isa region.

        Where would you suggest I look for rainfall data?? Townsville? Adelaide??

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    Olaf Koenders

    Time we sent a “please explain” to BOM and ABC for every one of their blatant lies.

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    manalive

    According to the ABC  the Bureau of Met tells us that Queensland has experienced ‘the worst drought in 80 years’ and that ’37.3% of the state was covered by the lowest rainfall on record’ …

    Reports like this serve as reinforcement of pre-existing beliefs for the faithful, the general public having tuned out long ago.
    It’s like the oft-repeated slogan that ‘2014 was the hottest (or near-hottest) on record’ which offers the CAGW enthusiasts reassurance that things are really as bad as they hoped despite the GT remaining static for over 15 years despite record high human CO2 emissions.

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      el gordo

      ‘…the general public having tuned out long ago.’

      Unfortunately, over half of the Australian population still believe in AGW and I blame the ABC.

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    pat

    for those who would like to see off the land-paddling, plane-hopping kayaker:

    9 Jan: EchoNetDaily: Darren Coyne: Lismore man off on global kayak challenge
    A Lismore man will leave on Monday on a 12-month, 8,000-kilometre kayak journey across the world to raise awareness about climate change.
    Steve Posselt, an engineer, author and adventurer, will be farewelled by Lismore mayor Jenny Dowell from the Lismore city council chambers at 10.30am.
    From there Mr Posselt will travel to Canberra to begin his journey, which will take him throughout the length of North America and into Europe.
    His Kayak4Earth trip is aimed at highlighting the connection between chaotic climate events such as Hurricane Katrina, Superstorm Sandy, Canberra firestorms, UK flooding and French droughts…
    After the Lismore engagement, Mr Posselt will depart Engineering House in Canberra on Thursday 15 January.
    From there he drags his kayak to Port Kembla on foot and then paddles up the coast via Wollongong to Sydney, arriving at the Opera House at mid-day on 31 January.
    He will be greeted by former Greens leader Bob Brown and numerous other well-wishers…
    From Sydney, the adventurer will board a plane to the Gulf of Mexico where he paddles north up the Mississippi, up the Illinois, through the Great Lakes and all the way to the sea at the top of Canada.
    He then flies to the United Kingdom where he will paddle across the UK including the Thames, across the English Channel and up the Seine to Paris for the UN Climate Summit in November, 2015.
    ‘I hope to represent all Australians who feel angered and dissatisfied by our government’s inaction around climate change,’ he said…
    http://www.echo.net.au/2015/01/lismore-man-global-kayak-challenge/

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      Annie

      What? The UK flooding that was down to the lack of dredging? The flooding in Cockermouth that was also due to lack of dredging thanks to the ‘need’ to preserve salamander habitat…never mind human habitat?

      Silly me…salamanders are so much more important than mere humans.

      Sarc…you bet.

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      Olaf Koenders

      I hope this kayaker will keep a record of how many thousands of CO2 tons he emits while flying to the US and while he’s exhaling during his indulgent paddle-trip in non-hazardous zones. At the end of his pointless non-spectacle, I hope he’s kept track of how many Salamanders he’s saved.

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    pat

    CBS’s Casey on the University College London study i commented on on a previous thread. rather sceptical, wouldn’t u say?

    9 Jan: CBS: Michael Casey: What would it take to slow global warming? Gigatonnes of restraint
    Imagine a world where coal is all but banned and the use of gas to fuel economies from China to the United States has been severely curtailed.
    Sound like science fiction?
    It’s actually the latest projections from a Nature study out this week on what the world needs to keep global temperatures from rising more than 2 degrees C (3.6 degrees F) over what they were in preindustrial times…
    …the authors didn’t touch on how economies especially in the developing world can transition away from their heavy dependence especially on coal. India and China, especially, have shown no inclination to give up coal in the near future.
    They also don’t get into what would replace fossil fuels.
    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-would-it-take-to-slow-global-warming-gigatonnes-of-restraint/

    EU facing reality at last?

    9 Jan: RTCC: Ed King: EU climate official vows to protect heavy polluters
    Jos Debelke says Brussels is committed to climate leadership, but will help steel, cement industries to comply with rules.
    The EU will act decisively to protect its remaining energy intensive industries against the risk of “carbon leakage”, the EU Commission’s chief climate official said on Thursday…
    But during a TV debate in Brussels, he dismissed the idea the EU would impose tariffs on high carbon goods from India, China and other competing economies.
    ***“If we were to introduce that now, we could cross out the Paris outcome,” he said…
    Some industry groups complain that Brussels’ climate targets, which are more ambitious than other major economies, are driving energy-intensive businesses to regions with lighter regulations…
    “Let’s be realistic. There is going to be a market for high carbon products,” he said.“We should not farm out activities to all places in the world, and we must make sure we are not relocating activities due to our climate policy.” …
    More half of ETS allowances will remain free, Debelke said, and he was “damn serious” about ensuring more businesses did not leave the EU due to climate laws… http://www.rtcc.org/2015/01/09/eu-climate-official-vows-to-protect-heavy-polluters/

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    pat

    the best-laid plans?

    9 Jan: CarbonBrief: Simon Evans: London set to miss mayor’s climate change targets as population booms
    Greenhouse gas emissions from the capital were 10 per cent below 1990 levels in 2012, the most recent official London climate inventory data show. But that wasn’t on target – emissions were supposed to have fallen 14.5 per cent that year, according to the mayor’s climate plan.
    This year emissions may be 17 per cent below 1990 levels, Carbon Brief projections suggest, assuming recent trends have continued. This would be more than one million tonnes short of the mayor’s interim goal for a 20 per cent reduction by 2015.
    Back in 2011, Johnson announced that London would aim to cut its emissions 60 per cent by 2025, on 1990 levels. Carbon Brief projections suggest this target will be missed by a wide margin unless something changes, with London on track for just a 40 per cent cut…
    Part of the reason the capital is struggling to achieve its aims is faster than expected population growth. The mayor’s climate targets were set as part of his London Plan, including the assumption that London’s population would reach 8.8 million by 2031…
    In fact, London’s population has increased far more rapidly than expected. Updated projections published last year have London reaching 8.8 million by around 2017 – 14 years sooner – and 10 million by 2031. London’s population has already grown by a quarter since 1990, outstripping the rest of the UK, which has grown by around 10 per cent…
    Londoners have nearly half the emissions of the average UK citizen.
    Denser populations have lower emissions because of reduced reliance on cars for transport and smaller, more closely packed homes, analysis by the ENDS Report shows. The problem for London is that lower per-capita emissions don’t matter much when your population is growing so rapidly…
    London’s per capita emissions were 4.9 tonnes in 2012 down from 6.6 tonnes in 1990, a 26 per cent reduction…
    ***In order to meet the climate targets set by the mayor and given higher-than-expected population growth, London’s per capita emissions must fall to 1.9 tonnes in 2025, around the same as India’s today…
    http://www.carbonbrief.org/blog/2015/01/london-set-to-miss-mayors-climate-change-targets-as-population-booms/

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    Dipole

    How quickly conditions can change.

    Compare at the second drought illustration with the latest river conditions http://www.bom.gov.au/australia/flood/?ref=ftr

    and a tropical low is predicted to move into the Southern Gulf region by the 15th.

    Very happy for the cattle and folk in Western QLD.

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      the Griss

      Gaia really doesn’t like the alarmists, does she. :-)

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        Safetyguy66

        She does her best to provide contradictory events every time they predict something that’s for sure.

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        Richo

        The BOM haven’t explained why there is La Nina conditions in Australia and US at the same time or why their predictions of lower than average rainfall is going bust.

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    Rick Bradford

    The ABC seems to have arrived at the same territory as the BBC, wherein every story MUST be framed in terms of Oppressor/Victim (chosen from the ‘correct’ categories, of course).

    The drought in Qld is an easy one. Victims are ‘poor communities’; oppressors are the usual ‘carbon criminals’, i.e industry, capitalists, blah blah. In fact, every story about climate can be framed in these terms, which is why it is such a popular theme.

    Sometime it takes a bit more thought, such as when the Yazidi sect was being harassed by the Islamic State. You need to keep your categories right. BBC did it as follows: Yazidi are a cultural minority (no mention of religion), so are Victim; the role of Oppressor, though, could not be ascribed to IS. The BBC managed to turn it around and cast as Oppressor the ‘Western world with its failure to effectively intervene.’

    When watching ABC/BBC, play the Oppressor/Victim spotting game for yourself; it’s very entertaining.

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      Annie

      A rather sick game though. I do see what you mean; the BBC and BBC are right out of order. I used to want to put an axe through the tv screen in the UK because of BBC bias and I feel the same here in Aus with the ABC .

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    Leonard Lane

    Seems to me that we might be experiencing a new phase in the CAGW shenanigans. Prior to the last year or two if global warming alarmist were caught cheating in their science or lying in their PR, they would deny it and fight back, usually by smearing or denying FOIA requests to cover up their misdeeds. But recently, they pull their shenanigans and get caught they just ignore the critics and let the MSM, public and private, widely disseminate the “news”, ignore the critics, and thus suppress the truth, and then move on to the next scam.
    Maybe they know that fighting with their critics just give them press coverage too. So just ignore them and know that the MSM, UN, unscrupulous NGOs and governments will protect them and squeeze the critics and their truth out of the media, and thus, out of the public notice.

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    Andrew

    If only the funding could be found to give the ABC the resourcing to actually “check facts” rather than blindly repeat BOM alarmism / activism. Perhaps with as little as 1% of their total budget they could have a “fact checking unit” of some kind.

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      Unmentionable

      But why do they now make a song and dance about it? Has it not always been the role and underlying responsibility of professional media to check the facts first, not as some smug ‘special’ touted service, but just as a matter of course in a professional journalism context? Are we supposed to now fawn after and worship people who make a special show out of merely doing the bare minimum the profession, their employment provisions and their job description requires of them, from the get go?

      So what were they doing prior?

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    gbees

    Monckton discusses One World Government run by Climate Communists getting close. Malcolm Turnbull gets a mention.

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      Frank

      ED,
      Why , with posts like that of gbees’and Monckton , are you surprised you are accused of being a sanctuary for CT ?

      [without a doubt you have not listened to the audio of Monckton in Gbees link. When you have actually listened, make a specific comment about what you believe to be CT or even wrong in what he says. Otherwise we can conclude that you just like to throw CT around as though it means something. Your claim of CT is without merit and it is another blatant, broad, ad-hom smear indicating that you're not here to discuss or debate, you are here to disrupt. This is trolling.] ED

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      James Bradley

      Turnbull ticks all the boxes in the previous guest post submitted by Rereke.

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        Safetyguy66

        Fortunately the Australian public will never elect a merchant banker (which is rhyming slang anyway) so we wont have to worry what Malcolm thinks except for his ability to undermine Abbott at every opportunity.

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    pat

    bloomberg’s sustainability section has had an Eric Roston headline “Top U.S. Executives and Officials Are Fairer Than You” on its homepage since it was first published on 16 December. first time i have ever seen an article held over so long, so i finally decided to read it.

    as for who the “you” in the headline refers to – given Bloomberg is probably read by more Execs & Officials than the average rag – you decide:

    16 Dec: Bloomberg: Eric Roston: Top Executives and Officials Are Fairer Than You Are, Study Shows
    A new study challenges the image of high-ranking leaders in U.S. business and government as ruthless negotiators hell-bent on defending their own interests.
    The reverse may be closer to the truth, according to the research, published this week in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences…
    Political scientists teamed up with behavioral researchers to recruit 102 (anonymous) 20-year-plus veteran U.S. diplomats and business and government leaders. The group included former members of Congress, high-ranking Cabinet agency officials, a former U.S. Trade Representative, and business executives who negotiate with governments about strategies, rules and laws…
    Previous studies about elites have assumed that VIPs are likelier “to exhibit self-interested, profit-maximizing behavior” than people without their experience, such as college students or people living in rural Africa who have taken similar tests.
    That assumption doesn’t hold up. “We found exactly the opposite,” said David Victor, a co-author and international relations professor at the University of California, San Diego. “The more elite, the more senior and experienced the policy maker, the more they’re focused on fairness concerns when they make decisions about dividing a fixed pot.”
    For the last two weeks, in Lima, Peru, the fixed pot in question concerned the amount of heat-trapping gas that industry can put into the atmosphere with any reasonable chance of not melting down the planet. Negotiators in Lima reached a tentative, vague accord that they will work on before consequential talks to be held in Paris next December. A deal there won’t fix climate change but it might put international negotiations on a healthier footing…
    What’s happening when people negotiate repeatedly — the UN climate talks have been going on for 20 years — is that they learn to think three or four chess moves ahead. Eventually, negotiators begin to envision what in the jargon is called the “zone of possible agreement” (ZOPA, for short), the sweet spot where common interests lie. Negotiators in Lima emerged early Sunday morning not with an actual climate deal but a kind of zone of possibilities for one…
    “It’s okay to have a negotiation with your parents about something,” Tingley (Dustin Tingley, a government professor at Harvard who specializes in data-driven analysis of politics and policy) said. “It might actually help reveal where the common interest lies.”
    Identifying those common interests could help keep the climate in check — or simply let piquant family discussions at holiday dinners end in peace.
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-15/research-shows-top-executives-and-u-s-officials-are-more-fair-than-you-are.html

    idiotic.

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    Ian George

    “37.3% of the state was covered by the lowest rainfall on record”
    .Jo
    I’m not sure but this BoM’s rainfall deficiency map doesn’t show this to be a fact at all.
    http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/drought/

    There are only a few spots that show ‘Lowest on record’ and this is from 1 Oct 2012 to the present. Surely with Ken’s graphs it proves his statement is misleading.
    How do they get away with this?

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      the Griss

      “How do they get away with this?”

      Because no government has the balls to hold them to account ..

      … because BOM has the support of the ABC/Fauxfax media. !!

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        the Griss

        gees , quick red thumb

        Keep reading my post, dude :-)

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          the Griss

          sweet dreams of me tonight, dear red-thumb dude :-)

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            Ian George

            Another interesting map is the BoM map showing ‘highest on record’ decile ranges for temperature for the past two years.
            Not sure how this works but I presume it purports to be what the BoM claim i.e. ‘highest on record’ as they show decile 10 below it.
            I checked St George which is in the ‘HOR’ shading and found that 2013/14 has been beaten on at least three occasions – 1979/80, 2002/2003 and 2005/2006 with the latter being the warmest.
            I suppose others can check their locations and see if the map shadings are correct.
            http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/drought/
            (map link just above ‘soil moisture’ report near bottom of page)

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      RB

      They cherry pick the length. Its the lowest for 24 months in the above.

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    Stephen Richards

    If your ABC was incompetent they would find out. Oh, They are and they haven’t.

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    Ursus Augustus

    I wonder what the Fact Check rating on this sort of hyperbolic drivel would be?

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    The Backslider

    It is perfectly clear that for the alarmists now, due to a distinct flatline of the Global temperature trend for 18+years, everything and anything must be harped as “climate change”. Never mind that everything are well within the bounds of natural variability.

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    Ron C.

    And so the claims begin. BOM has now stated:

    “Overall, 2014 was Australia’s third-warmest year on record: the annual national mean temperature was +0.91 °C above average.”

    http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/current/annual/aus/

    Meanwhile, the satellite measurements for Australia from UAH:

    Ranking of years by annual anomaly:

    1 2013 0.710
    2 1998 0.683
    3 2009 0.598
    4 1980 0.512
    5 2006 0.483
    6 2007 0.461
    7 2005 0.434
    8 1988 0.368
    9 1991 0.355
    10 2014 0.323

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      Ron C.

      Correction:

      Thenumbers should be:

      2013 0.714
      2009 0.639
      1998 0.628
      2005 0.517
      2007 0.505
      1980 0.483
      2014 0.402
      2006 0.398
      1988 0.384
      2002 0.228

      So 7th place for 2014. Thanks to the Griss for the peer review.

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    Cookster

    A timely post Jo. Peter Martin of the Sydney Morning Herald hasn’t got the message – but that is unsurprising from this masthead. Comments are open so would be good if we can get something past the moderators that challenges Peter’s notion that we should all accept what the BOM says without question.

    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/climate-change-why-some-of-us-wont-believe-its-getting-hotter-20150110-12koa1.html

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    bemused

    The Age is concerned about taxpayers funding pseudoscience: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/taxpayers-to-fund-teaching-of-pseudoscience-20150110-12i8fa.html. Pity they don’t assign that same concern to another pseudoscience. If you know what I mean.

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