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Good news. Australia say NO to UN Green Climate Fund – bypasses Green Gravy Train

Good news. The Australian government is cutting out the enviro-middlemen, saying “No” to one $11 billion Green Blob.

Australia stands as the only wealthy country to have ruled out a contribution to the United Nations’ Green Climate Fund. As of last week, the fund had received pledges from 22 countries totalling $US9.6 billion ($A11.2 billion) against an initial funding target of $US10 billion.

The UN money making scheme was never about the poor or the environment. If it was they wouldn’t be wasting “aid” on so-called clean energy subsidies, which won’t change the weather:

The fund is a new financing mechanism to help developing countries protect themselves from the impacts of climate change and reduce greenhouse gas emissions. It will invest in clean energy generation and distribution, energy-efficient buildings and transport, forest conservation and management, and the “climate-proofing” of infrastructure and agriculture against storms, floods and higher temperatures.

Apparently the Australian government can see that funding these UN agencies is hand-feeding sharks. By paying for environmental aid direct, our tax funds might achieve something useful, and it exposes the hypocritical self-interest of the Green Gravy train. Which environmental groups will praise Abbott and Bishop? All the ones that put the environment and the poor ahead of the Blobby.

That list here …

 

Instead, the so-called greenies will talk about Australia committing unforgivable social crimes like “falling out of step”, “failing to match international action” and being “mean”.

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    scaper...

    Gee, been hinting for months that this government will not contribute to the UN slush fund or anything that achieves nought.

    Direct Action is all that will be done. Finesse comes to mind. Australia can ill afford such folly.

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      aussieguy

      Does the money saved, go to paying off the country’s debt? …Because that would be an excellent way to give the Greens a huge middle finger while gaining public support. (PR perspective for Abbott Govt).


      Meanwhile, I’m looking at the list of “ANU experts” that Jo has linked to, and something really smells about this bunch…Let’s have a look at what they ACTUALLY DO.


      Associate Professor Frank Jotzo
      Director of the Centre for Climate Economics and Policy
      ANU Crawford School of Public Policy.


      According to his public profile…
      => https://crawford.anu.edu.au/people/academic/frank-jotzo
      …He’s a bloody bean counter for the Climate Change movement! Look at what he has published! …Also look at his “Advisory work”; This guy has vested interest to keep Climate Change going! If there is no Climate Change, this guy doesn’t get taxpayer funded “consultancy” work!


      Dr Ida Kubiszewski
      Senior Lecturer at Crawford School of Public Policy
      Representing the Dominican Republic as a negotiator at COP20


      According to her public profile…
      => https://crawford.anu.edu.au/people/academic/ida-kubiszewski
      …She’s a Leftie “public policy” academic. Check her pubished work as well as her online feeds. (She cheers for birth control. WTF?). You’ll notice a common theme (and vocabulary) in her works. She turned from an actual scientific field (Astronomy and Physics in undergraduate years) to the more profitable Public Policy (her Masters and PhD). You know “social change”, “Environmental Studies”, “Ecological Economics”, etc. She promotes the idea of dropping GDP and replacing it with something like “Well being” as measurement for productivity.


      Dr Nigel Martin
      Research School of Accounting and Business Information Systems
      ANU College of Business and Economics


      According to his public profile…
      => https://researchers.anu.edu.au/researchers/martin-nj
      => http://regnet.anu.edu.au/people/dr-nigel-martin
      => https://cbe.anu.edu.au/staff/staff/people/?profile=Nigel-Martin
      …This one is more diverse. Basically, business/information management and computer software. The red flags are “sustainability accounting” and “business-climate change dynamics”. He has worked for “big oil” (Caltex Australia and BP Oil in management and marketing)…His current record indicates he likes to attend Conferences and author academic papers. ie: He used to be in the private sector, but now he’s an academic. (You don’t have to work so hard and you can come up with ideas that aren’t likely to ever be tested in the real world.)


      Dr Liz Hanna
      Fellow of The National Centre for Epidemiology & Population Health
      ANU College of Medicine, Biology and Environment


      According to her public profile…
      => https://researchers.anu.edu.au/researchers/hanna-e-l-g
      => http://nceph.anu.edu.au/about-us/people/liz-hanna
      => http://cci.anu.edu.au/researchers/view/elizabeth_hanna/
      …This one is knee-deep in Climate Change! As such she is completely and utterly dependent on the taxpayer trough via Govt Grants! eg: “Climate change impacts on health in the Pacific” (that’s one of her studies) …It was funded by the now-defunct Department of Climate Change and Energy Efficiency. Abbott Govt killed this Dept and rolled its responsibilities into the Department of Industry, Innovation, Climate Change, Science, Research and Tertiary Education. (Employees: 4188 (at April 2013) and Annual budget: AUD$9.384 billion (2011/12)


      Professor Andrew Blakers
      Director Centre for Sustainable Energy Systems
      ANU College of Engineering and Computer Science


      According to his public profile…
      => https://researchers.anu.edu.au/researchers/blakers-aw
      …The only engineer of the bunch. He is all solar power in R&D. Possibly the only one I have some respect for.


      Not a single one of these experts are studying if man is responsible for change in climate through CO2 emissions! They’re either in “public policy” or directly related to green technology. ie: Their whole income stream eventually trickles down from taxpayer via grants or subsidies.


      On a side note:

      New drinking game everyone!
      (1) Try to say as fast as you can: Department of Industry, Innovation, Climate Change, Science, Research and Tertiary Education
      (2) Drink one beer.
      (3) Start over from step (1).

      …The first one who makes a mistake or doesn’t finish their drink has to buy the next round!

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        PhilJourdan

        I will just buy a round up front.;-)

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        Yonniestone

        Well done aussieguy, that’s quite a good ‘twit list’, I don’t drink but I’m feeling a bit giddy trying to empathize with the climate mindset.

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        R-COO- K+

        Aussieguy,

        Bloody brilliant. What an eye opener. Cheers and like PJ I’ll buy a round up front too.

        Ron Cook

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          OriginalSteve

          We just have to keep exposing the Red Menace, in whatever form it appears….

          The public need to know they are being hollowed out from the inside by lefties in every industry.

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            Sweet Old Bob

            See post on WUWT…it seems the destruction of your industry (per their plan) is almost complete. Destroyed from within…the watermelon way…
            Don’t give up! Man Battlestations!

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            Sweet Old Bob

            Post is by Viv Forbes , FYI.

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      redress

      Scaper……..does this make sense?

      Reading between the lines….

      The Govts intentions were signaled by the reduction in money to the UNEP.
      Julie Bishop has shown little sympathy for CAGW, and likewise Andrew Robb.

      There are only so many delegates a country can influence with one high profile representative…but with two twice the number.
      So if you want to put the alternate view and try to influence outcomes, send two proven hard negotiators who have clout on the world stage……

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        scaper...

        redress, pretty close to on the money. I believe a part of a bloc of blockers.

        Wouldn’t be surprised if there was a meaningless commitment on our behalf.

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        Dave

        redress
        Exactly right

        “Two high profile representatives” in Robb & Bishop

        The ONLY reason Tony Abbott sent Robb along for the ride, was to exclude that wet cucumber loving Greg Hunt. He would’ve sprouted on about his belief in CAGW for all the world to hear & lap up.

        Hunt should be dropped from the portfolio ASAP

        Abbott did NOT trust Greg Hunt
        Best outcome is sending Bishop & Robb, who will stick it to the Greenies in LIMA

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          scaper...

          Something doesn’t sit right in all of this so I’ve made a few enquiries.

          Until a few weeks ago no Minister was going to attend Lima but due to certain pressures at the G20, seeming is the tactic.

          Andrew Robb was scheduled to be in South America next week to attend trade meetings in Brazil, Peru and Chile. They will compliment each other in their respective missions.

          The hard nosed negotiations or the like will be headed by the newly created Ambassador for the Environment, Peter Woolcott and a small team.

          Know more but best not to divulge.

          Also, Greg Hunt has no desire to attend these talk fests and has the complete trust of the PM and his fellow Ministers. If not for his negotiating skills and portfolio management we would still be paying a carbon tax, almost a trillion dollars worth of projects would be still wrapped up in green tape and there’s more to come.

          To even suggest he will be stripped of the environment portfolio is absolutely laughable. He has neutered Labor and the Greens.

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            Dave

            scaper,
            I know you understand the workings of the inner Liberals

            But I think Greg Hunt is finished after this interview:

            Greg & Malcolm Turnbull are under mining the GOVERNMENT

            This is the view of a supporter in Queensland

            These pollies have to start listening to the people maybe

            This is damming for the limp wristed Greg Hunt.

            Seems he can’t stand up for himself or Tony Abbott

            But I hope you are right though scaper, but public listens to guys like Alan Jones etc. A damming interview.

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    el gordo

    “The Green Climate Fund is about supporting developing countries build resilience to climate change. Australia is already doing that through our aid program,” Bishop told The Associated Press before leading the Australian delegation to Lima for a U.N climate summit.’

    Yahoo

    Very nice, reading between the lines it appears the government has adopted Bob Carter’s Plan B.

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      scaper...

      I call it “rock shifting”.

      Funny that.

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        el gordo

        ‘I call it “rock shifting”.

        *chuckle*

        While you’re there, I have this obsession with very fast trains and wondered if you had heard any patter?

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          scaper...

          Nah, but nuclear energy has been thrown into the mix. After all…it is the right thing to do to lower those nasty emissions, is it not?

          Wedgie comes to mind. And don’t mention hydro electricity.

          hehehehehe

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          While you’re there, I have this obsession with very fast trains and wondered if you had heard any patter?

          They use enormous amounts of electrical power, all of it required for 24 hours of every day, so ANY form of renewable power is totally out of the question.

          I find it amusing that lefties (hey not you el gordo, but greens etc) all clamour for VFT or MagLev Trains, and desal plants, and in the same breath, want to do away with the ONLY form of power generation which can actually run these things.

          This video might actually seem to be dead boring, but it offers an excellent insight into MagLev Trains, again, requiring humungous amounts of regular and constant electricity.

          MagLev Trains

          Tony.

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            scaper...

            A very good link, Tony. There was a CBA on the concept not long after your link around five years ago. Not viable in the wide brown land that we live in.

            We are yet to open up the nation by means of conventional rail to transport our produce to export points. There is progress on the mineral points that will, in my opinion, offer opportunity for multi use corridors in the future.

            Being a proponent of northern development I urge you to look into Project Iron Boomerang. No link, a few minutes of research on the net will enlighten you.

            My submission to the Joint Select Committee on Northern Development has endorsed the project with provisos that has been recognised and considered.

            Fast transport by air will not be superseded by any medium is not viable in the near future…if ever but when science progresses after the medieval worship of the Sun and winds to advance civilisation, who knows.

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            gai

            Tony,
            Here is a picture of your high speed rail, greenie style.

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              gai,

              then there was this image from California.

              Tony.

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                Yonniestone

                Tony would that be a very fast train that operates for 4.32 hours a day on ‘Green’ renewables?

                It reminds me of Steven Wright approaching a 24hr store where a guy is locking the front door and he asks “I thought you were open 24hrs?” “we are” says the guy “just not in a row” :)

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                the Griss

                That image is funny Tony.

                The clouds in the sky indicate a rather still day, yet the turbines are whizzing.. Must be from the slipstream of the train, driven by imported coal power.

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                gai

                Ain’t photoshop great!

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            el gordo

            Thanx Tony, its just that Sydney’s north west train tunnel has these borers which could easily bore under the Great Divide. Abbott needs to pull a rabbit out of the hat and roads are simply not enough for the infrastructure PM.

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              I did some sums and blogged the inconvenient numbers.

              As you can tell from the Facebook reactions of the proponents, rational analysis is not welcome by the fantasists.

              Train speed can be increased substantially at relatively low costs where it matters such as on the Sydney-Newcastle line. Trips could be done in half the time using existing rolling stock.

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                James Murphy

                I recall that Victoria spent a lot of time and money modernising/replacing railway lines so that regional trains could go significantly faster. Rumour has it that they were somewhat hamstrung in the end, because the stations were relatively close (at least on the regional line I used to use a lot), such that any increases in speed would be pretty much cancelled out by the need for longer deceleration periods. There were also rumours about signalling systems/general track layout being inadequate for faster travel…

                (Unfortunately I couldn’t really point you to a credible source for any of this if I tried, but I know my journeys were not much faster, even after the years of upgrade work…)

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                the Griss

                Years ago, I used to take the train to a mates place in Newcastle occasionally. (From Cronulla about 200km I reckon.)

                It was a day trip just getting up there.. and a day trip back. !

                And I don’t think anything has changed.

                Its pretty ordinary !

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                el gordo

                Possibly we are looking at all this from the wrong perspective, it would be a lot cheaper to widen the Inland Rail corridor to accommodate VFT and open up the country in the south east.

                https://www.infrastructure.gov.au/rail/inland/Inland-Rail.jpg

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                the Griss

                Getting in and out of Sydney will always be a bottleneck

                Brisbane – Sydney – (Canberra) – Melbourne, is not going to be easy or cheap.

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                Ted O'Brien.

                When I went to and from school in the 1950s the Northern Tablelands Express did Sydney to Broadmeadow in two hours, and Muswellbrook in another two. That was a pretty good service in those days. It could surely be improved on by upgrading to four tracks, but I expect that in many places they don’t now have enough space for that.

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                the Griss

                Ted, I just did a check on CityRail timetable.

                The “fast” suburban takes 2hr 27min Sydney to Broadmeadow (extra 10mins to Newcastle CBD)

                Progress ! NOT !

                The CountryLink XPT takes 2hours 19 minutes Sydney to Broadmeadow.
                (I wonder what the ‘X’ is meant to stand for ?)

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                Ondrej S

                This is a reply to Bernard #2.1.1.2.1
                I’ve seen this pattern in my FB fed but done in a completely different mannner. It amounts to the same thing though. So one of my managers at work is a true-blue greenie. So he gets into a discussion on a public FB only to be well and truly defeated. I thought that’d be the end of it, however he went on to “move” the debate to one of his own post,s without of course allowing the other person access. Sufficed to say, a chorus of his friends joined in to support him, the strange thing though is that not a single one of his friends jumped in to help during the initial debate.

                Funny that…

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              Yonniestone

              James that was the Bracks Labor government that handled bodged the project with an almost weekly budget blow out report.

              People initially thought we would go hi tech and get a Maglev bullet train or similar but as you stated there was no planning for speed vs distance.

              On the Ballarat to Melbourne service a 30min saving was initially claimed this was eventually whittled down to 5mins saving (which is still claimed today) but very rarely occurs in reality, $750 million for 5 minutes makes you proud eh?

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                Richard

                Remember the the “Farce Rail Project” in VIC? One of the “improvements” as costs rapidly spiraled out of control (it was a Labor Gov’t after all) was to change double-track on the Bendigo line beyond Kyneton to single-track with passing loops.

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              el gordo

              ‘Getting in and out of Sydney will always be a bottleneck’

              That is why they may decide to go under the sandstone curtain, due west to Parkes where it would connect with the Brisbane-Melbourne line.

              The Japanese are keen to sell the Maglev and the Darwin/Ord line might be the first cab off the rank. This is pure speculation.

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                VFT’s have never been known to pay for their infrastructure.

                “Build it and they will come” isn’t a good business model. Such systems struggle to pay operating costs in much more heavily populated regions. VFT struggle for patronage in Germany, when coachlines are flourishing, despite usually being a little slower, but often cheaper.

                Even at VFT speeds (which’d cost in the vicinity of AUD$10billion just for the capital cost of electrical power infrastructure for the inland route), the costs of rail infrastructure with bridges, causeways and flood amelioration, as well as over/under-passes for roads would never be recoverable with any plausible increase in inland population. Patronage would have to be in the hundreds of thousands a day; on the long trips.

                Time has become very precious to people. If they can travel by air in a quarter of the time, then they’ll do that. Air travel is also cheaper over long haul because there doesn’t need to be infrastructure in place between airports.

                For the short haul, most Australians have access to a car. A car that’ll take them, on reasonable highways, from their front door to the door of where they’re doing, quicker than using the train, if the journey is less than 200km.

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                the Griss

                My Newcastle friend often has to go to Canberra.

                Not by train (interminable waste of time), not by plane (no direct flight)

                Only by car.

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            R-COO- K+

            Nice one Tony, especially the amount of poer required for these tthings.

            Ron Cook

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          Ted O'Brien.

          I used to associate the talk of a VFT from Sydney to Melbourne with the Tower of Babel.

          Then I went to Melbourne. I didn’t know before that that there are no mountains between Melbourne and somewhere north of Junee. I had expected more Razorbacks. It would not be as unfeasible as I had thought.

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    PeterK

    They never stop, they just keep plowing ahead, inch by inch to achieve that one world government. This is just another meeting to further their agenda.

    Horowitz, David & Collier, Peter – in their book The Destructive Generation
    “The message has now gone out to all leftists; ‘substitute green for red’ – that is, push socialism labeled as environmentalism as the new priority.”

    or
    Bush, George – President – State of the Union Address – 1991
    “For two centuries we’ve done the hard work of freedom. And tonight we lead the world in facing down a threat to decency and humanity. What is at stake is more than one small country, it is a big idea – a new world order where diverse nations are drawn together in common cause to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind: peace and security, freedom and the rule of law. Such is a world worthy of our struggle and worthy of our children’s future.”

    or
    Quigley, Carroll – Bill Clinton mentor
    “The Council of Foreign Relations (CFR) is the American branch of a society which originated in England…and…believes national boundaries should be obliterated and one world rule established.”

    or
    Rockefeller, David – Baden-Baden, Germany – 1991
    “We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.”

    By using and abusing Global Warming / Climate Change, WILL THEY WIN?

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      Ted O'Brien.

      If Victoria was the world, YES.

      It all comes down to how the rules are followed. Democracy is supposed to ensure that all views are heard and considered. However that has changed in our modern world to the “winner takes all” view that 51% of the vote can oppress the 49%.

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      R-COO- K+

      Bugger! We need to be far more pro-active in getting our message across – BUT HOW! MSM won’t (or can’t help)

      Ron Cook

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      Robert

      The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.

      The only thing that would make this preferable is if you happen to be one of those elite or one of the world bankers. I don’t see it improving a thing for the rest of us.

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        Andrew McRae

        What happened to the “right wing” economic enthusiasm? Surely the rising tide lifts all boats?

        It all really depends on the true goals and definition of their “new world order”. Never mind what benefits it is supposedly going to have. They should just tell us exactly what it is. We’ll decide if that’s better.

        If it really is only what Rockfeller describes above… well, you saw it from Rockefeller himself, they’ve been working on this for over 40 years. Don’t we already live in their New World Order?

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          the Griss

          Bureaucratic socialism. One world Government.

          Let me ask the leftist trolls……

          How would you like it if I was one of those unelected bureaucrats,

          .. making all your decisions for you. !

          I’m up for it.. are you ? :-)

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          Unmentionable

          Agreed Andrew, it’s here, has been for a long time, the Internet has just made it more immediate and further steps more obvious and realisable. I’m not thrilled by Australian nationalism, nor Chinese, Indonesian or Japanese nationalism either. Some boofhead draped in a flag yelling Aussie-Aussie-Aussie! … is infantile. But I do feel proud of people like Daniel Ricciardo and Casey Stoner who risk their lives to be the best. They do actually deserve plaudits when the Anthem is played. How people then turn that around in their head to mean that as Australians they’re likewise deserving of the plaudits is also tedious.

          As for removing borders, they’re already just limits of law admin zones, we’ve been using passports to cross those boundaries for a long time now. It only takes due process paper work and you’re on your way. Indeed that’s constantly being streamlined, and cross border laws and regs are ‘harmonised’ to make travel easier and quicker.

          In many ways borders are naturally always removed via good international relations, but erected again if international relations sour. Most people would accept that better international relations are always the way to go, if the other country reciprocates with commensurate openness and harmonisation of rights, responsibilities and even-handed regulatory process. But what the NGO view is, is that control and micro-management for exploitation is the goal.

          But we also have that in spades right now on the domestic level, just look at the interest on your credit card and what happens if you don’t cough it up, even with small stuff see what happens if you don’t vote and don’t pay the fine for not voting. Our domestic Aussie NWO already swings into action to kick you around for doing almost nothing that could be called ‘wrong’ or ‘bad’, or ‘immoral’. But they’ll happily kick you to the kerb to make a point.

          So I don’t see how much worse no borders would be, except that regulated border laws do partially prevent the hoards of welfare scammers from certain ME countries bypassing Paki, India, Burma, Thailand, Vietnam, Malaysia and Indonesia for their immediate and pressing needs for security, and instead go the extra mile to somehow rock to centrelink for a free meal ticket at workers expense.

          I think at least 99% of workers and business owners would resist to the death the elimination of those borders and controls, and it would be practicality and ethical fairness that drove that, not some contrived sense of patriotism. If these people are vulnerable and need protection, why did they voluntarily get on a boat to come here instead of change address from Swat Valley to Khyber Pass?

          Hence ‘patriotism’ and ‘nationalism’ is usually just a form of anger expressed about that unacceptable opportunistic unethical behavior of alleged refugees.

          An actual NWO seems a little surplus to requirement at this point, the position is already taken.

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        gai

        It is pretty much what Karl Marx was saying:
        (Bourgeoisie = Middle class , that is us folks.)

        The bourgeoisie, wherever it has got the upper hand, has put an end to all feudal, patriarchal, idyllic relations. It has pitilessly torn asunder the motley feudal ties that bound man to his ‘natural superiors,’ and has left remaining no other nexus between man and man than naked self-interest, callous ‘cash payment.’ It has drowned the most heavenly ecstasies of religious fervor, of chivalrous enthusiasm, of philistine sentimentalism, in the icy water of egotistical calculation. It has resolved personal worth into exchange value, and in place of the numberless indefeasible chartered freedoms, has set up that single, unconscionable freedom—Free Trade. In one word, for exploitation, veiled by religious and political illusions, it has substituted naked, shameless, direct, brutal exploitation.

        The bourgeoisie has stripped of its halo every occupation hitherto honored and looked up to with reverent awe. It has converted the physician, the lawyer, the priest, the poet, the man of science, into its paid wage laborers.” ― Karl Marx, The Communist Manifesto

        Rockefeller just shortened it to:

        The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.

        The goal of both is to reduce mankind back to a state of fuedalism with two classes – Serfs and the Elite

        Even Rosa Koire a ‘flaming liberal’** California bureaucrat can see that.
        link

        **’flaming liberal’ is Rosa’s term for herself.

        If you haven’t seen it she has a great video on Agenda 21:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK2sZUs2l_U

        (If I had the money, I would hire this woman to make a speaking tour of every town and church in the USA)

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    Dave

    At the
    ANU experts comment on 2014 UN Climate Change Conference

    “Heat waves and wild storms eerily made a mockery of the fossil fuel mouthpieces”

    This is from Dr Liz Hanna, ANU College of Medicine, Biology and Environment?
    Papers?
    Proof?
    Then she says:

    “In Lima and Paris, we expect Australia to stand tall, and commit to realistic emission targets, and levels of funding to the Green Climate Fund that is commensurable with our per capita contribution to the problem.”

    She’ll go ballistic that the GRAVY train is stopped.
    Loves WIND “Social and Economic Impact of Rural Wind Farms” paper
    Hates Coal “Human health effects of coal mining and coal fired electricity generation” paper.

    Dr. Hanna
    1. Developed PHAA’s policies on climate change
    2. Chief Investigator on several NHMRC grants researching the health impacts of climate change
    3. Represents the Australian College of Nursing on the Climate and Health Alliance (CAHA)

    No BIAS here at all

    The chokos are slowly falling off the vine through lack of funds

    Great article & news Jo!

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      Another Ian

      Might be the prof from ANU that I half heard on ABC radio on various things climate precautionary that made me think

      “More long bows here than at Agincourt”

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    the Griss

    Sweeeeet… that Australia is not going to fund the UN gravy train.

    Let’s keep the funds in Australia, where they belong.

    Let the World Bank provide the funding for coal-fired electricity in Africa etc…

    …… once they have finished wasting funds on useless renewables.

    Ya can’t run a fridge on wind power. !

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      gai

      Griss,

      Hate to tell you but the World Bank is another fund washing scheme. If I recall the US tax payer ‘donates’ about 15 – 20% of the funds the World Bank loans out. The USA is the world bank’s largest share holder at 16%

      Australia paid

      $ 1.1 Billion
      Contributed to Trust Funds since FY2006
      $ 1.2 Billion
      Contributed to FIFs since 2006
      https://finances.worldbank.org/countries/Australia

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    King Geo

    Well done Tony by saying NO!!! to the UN’s “The Green Climate Fund”. This reminds me of that Little Britain skit with David Walliams playing the receptionist Carol who forever looks at her PC and monotonously tells customers/clients “COMPUTER SAYS NO!!!” Well Tony just keep saying “NO!!!” to the “Green Blob” when it’s slimy hand asks for more and more and……………
    I mean you don’t want Oz to end up like Britain & the EU do you, ie suffering from a case of chronic “Green Blobitus”.

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    gai

    I wish the USA would also say NO to the green Blob as our national debt passes 18 TRILLION! To put it bluntly the USA is bankrupt as is the EU.

    Last fall the IMF warned that the USA needed a 10% wealth confiscation on all Americans just to get back to the debt the USA had when Obama took office!

    The International Monetary Fund Lays The Groundwork For Global Wealth Confiscation

    The International Monetary Fund (IMF) quietly dropped a bomb in its October Fiscal Monitor Report. Titled “Taxing Times,” the report paints a dire picture for advanced economies with high debts that fail to aggressively “mobilize domestic revenue.” It goes on to build a case for drastic measures and recommends a series of escalating income and consumption tax increases culminating in the direct confiscation of assets….

    The report itself says:

    “The sharp deterioration of the public finances in many countries has revived interest in a “capital levy”— a one-off tax on private wealth—as an exceptional measure to restore debt sustainability. The appeal is that such a tax, if it is implemented before avoidance is possible and there is a belief that it will never be repeated, does not distort behavior (and may be seen by some as fair). … The conditions for success are strong, but also need to be weighed against the risks of the alternatives, which include repudiating public debt or inflating it away. … The tax rates needed to bring down public debt to precrisis levels, moreover, are sizable: reducing debt ratios to end-2007 levels would require (for a sample of 15 euro area countries) a tax rate of about 10 percent on households with positive net wealth. (page 49)”

    That means that all households with positive net wealth—everyone with retirement savings or home equity—would have their assets plundered under the IMF’s formulation.

    Second, such a repudiation of private property will not pay off Western governments’ debts or fund budgets going forward. It will merely “restore debt sustainability,” allowing free-spending sovereigns to keep tapping the bond markets until the next crisis comes along—for which stronger measures will be required, of course.

    Third, should politicians fail to muster the courage to engage in this kind of wholesale robbery, the only alternative scenario the IMF posits is public debt repudiation and hyperinflation.….

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      the Griss

      “The International Monetary Fund Lays The Groundwork For Global Wealth Confiscation”

      They can take half my mortgage for all I care !! :-)

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        Mark D.

        Yes Griss, I’ve taken the defensive strategy of holding near bankruptcy. They can come and take my remaining assets through taxation and I’ll return the favor by filing bankruptcy. It’s wonderful and I’m merely emulating the spending patterns taught to me by my government! In the meantime I hold huge credit card balances because that is a shelter against the inevitable upcoming high inflation. I am dreaming about the return of 16% annual inflation as it will wash my debt away. I’m counting on it, it is my retirement strategy.

        He he he, those dumb bankers and bureaucrats……

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    pat

    good start…but the govt needs to do more to expose the CAGW scam. here’s Berkshire Hathaway trying to hide the data:

    2 Dec: KCET: Chris Clarke: It’s Time for Independent Monitoring of Wildlife Kills at Renewable Energy Sites
    The plaintiff, Portland-based Pacificorp, is asking a U.S. District Court judge in Utah to issue an injunction banning the U.S. Department of the Interior from providing the Associated Press with information on how many birds are being found dead at Pacificorps’ wind installations..
    Pacificorp, a subsidiary of Berkshire Hathaway, is one of several wind companies that has objected to AP’s coverage of bird deaths at wind energy installations.
    If Pacificorp prevails in court, you may essentially lose your right to learn about the environmental impacts of projects funded by your tax dollars on public lands owned by you. Solar companies that do business on public lands will be watching this lawsuit carefully, as will their counterparts in the oil and gas industry. But the suit raises a question that’s beginning to be asked by any number of people watching the renewable energy industry: Why do we trust renewable energy companies to report on their own wildlife kills?…
    We’ve talked to biologists who’d been told that if they found too many dead birds at the solar plant that had hired their employers, they would be looking for work…
    We’ve seen solar company representatives imply in the press that they’d documented every single bird death at their facilities, despite systematic surveys being done less than once a week over less than a quarter of the project footprint even at the height of the survey period.
    And now Pacificorp wants to block the public from learning about the bird death toll of their wind facilities, in perpetuity. The company is asking for a permanent injunction against the release of its bird mortality data…
    Pacificorp goes so far as to claim its reluctance to share information with the public is in our best interests…
    Wind and solar installations routinely kill birds protected by the Migratory Bird Treaty Act, by the Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act, by the Endangered Species Act, and by a host of other state and local laws.
    And yet the renewable energy industry has been treated with kid gloves by regulators compared to the oil and gas industry…
    And all that data needs to be made public, so that those of us in the public can make sure the USFWS is doing its job properly…
    http://www.kcet.org/news/redefine/rewire/commentary/its-time-for-independent-monitoring-of-wildlife-kills-at-renewable-energy-sites.html

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    ROM

    Considering the muttering in this morning’s “Australian” about the lack of retail spending by the populace and with tax collections now falling fast as we apparently batten down the hatches for what we here in Australia seem to believe might be a rough financial and job ride ahead, the Feds are being quite responsible for the way, in this case, they are NOT flinging our hard earned around or whats left of it onto some totally useless corrupt carpet bagging UN run outfit.

    They could boost their tax income somewhat if they removed the tax exempt status of ALL of the Green blob and water melon outfits as India has now apparently done in retribution for the over 1% reduction in GDP growth that the Indians have slated home to the economic and welfare destroying activities of the foreign busy body green blobs in India..

    The green blob today after all is now just another income earning commercial lobbying outfit that no longer has anything much in the way of policies or connections with the holy environment.

    So Tony go tax those parasitical green leeches and get something out of them instead of forcing the rest of us to just keep on paying , paying, paying for the activities of those green hypocrites.

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      gai

      USA spending is down too. Down 11% on Black Friday, the day after Thanksgiving that is traditionally the biggest sales day of the year.

      Economic recovery? WHAT economic recovery? Welfare is at an all time high. Private employment is under 84%. Payroll Tax has barely crept back up to where it was when Obama took office but that does not include the doubling of the money supply and the resulting inflation.

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    Sunray

    Thank you Jo, for the excellent news.

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    TdeF

    Social crimes, meanness, lack of generosity, not part of the international brotherhood but the greatest threat, the one used when all other threats fail, is that the International Community (whoever they are) will laugh at us. We will be humiliated. Jokes will be told in foreign countries in foreign languages. Hurtful jokes. For that reason alone, we should give all our cash to the UN. Once you hear that you will be laughed at, you know the excuse jar is empty and give thanks that adults are once again in charge of the credit card, even if the Senate is controlled by leftist loonies who want to destroy the joint. For the greater good.

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      Chesterdude

      Q. Did you hear the one about the Aussie who refused to donate to the International Climate Fund?

      A. OOOOOOOHHHHHHHH YEAH…

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      Raven

      Once you hear that you will be laughed at, you know the excuse jar is empty . .

      Or . . once you’re taking flack, you know you’re over the target.

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    Martin S

    If it wasnt for the heat, sharks, creepy crawlies and general deadliness of the flora and fauna, i might actually move there.

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    Ceetee

    Fabulous. Expect howls of self righteous outrage from the great and the environmentally good.

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    Unmentionable

    Fantastic! Maybe some of the other brow-beaten and emotionally blackmailed ‘donors’ will finally grow a spine and “just say no” to the international greenie bandito, highway men and bushranger. Burn off the leaches and put on some fresh socks Australia.

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    Brett_McS

    Is there a link to the article from which the quotes are taken? Is this from The Australian?

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    Sceptical Sam

    And to top if off CSIRO is getting a haircut too.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-05/staff-morale-at-rock-bottom-at-csiro/5934222

    Rock bottom morale. Great. The precious little eco-activist anti-scientists just can’t stand it

    At last the Abbott Government is doing what we voted them in to do.

    Hopefully 18C is next.

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      the Griss

      If CSIRO can save this immediately by closing down their useless climate division and political wing.

      Put a real scientist in charge rather than a leftist bureaucrat..

      … and actually get back to doing some real science !

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        Sceptical Sam

        the Griss,

        I’ve been thinking about your comment over the past few days. And, while the moment has probably passed in terms of a response that might be read, for the record I’ll post one anyway.

        Firstly, I accept your implied conclusion that the damage to CSIRO has been done exclusively by its shoddy work on climate and global warming; by its Climate Division. However, that shoddiness has undermined confidence in its independence as a true scientific research organisation. All its other work is thus suspect.

        If CSIRO could not manage the appallingly bad Climate Division and the so-called “research” coming out of it, then where is the guarantee for the Australian taxpayer that other areas in which it undertakes research don’t also fail the quality control test?

        The very fact that CSIRO climate “research” just mouths the IPPC ideology and that of the green/left, demonstrates that its internal checks and balances have been subverted.*

        That means that the green/left infection – the Lysenkoism – has spread further into the organisation than may, at first, be apparent. Your comment regarding a “leftist bureaucrat” being in charge supports my contention.

        Under these circumstances the best action is to take the knife to the organisation. Clean it out. Start from the top. Re-engage only on the basis of commitment to the principles of proper science. Demand political neutrality. Remove the activist “scientists”. Remove the activist bureaucrats. Remove the activist Board members.

        * I make an exception for Apps’ work on cyclones (which, nevertheless, tends to be misinterpreted).

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    ThoJak

    Thanks for the very good news Jo!

    Shared on FB in Sweden.

    Brgds!
    //TJ

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    Christmas Child

    Lets not forget how these people think. How much common sense do you need to have to realise that this sort of stuff is going to put you off. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne1uQMuoAtA

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    pattoh

    Another small line in the sand to test argument over emotion.

    Faint sniff of a DD?

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    PhilJourdan

    Abbott is making a strong statement. Movements are not started by powerful forces, but by small actions of the average person. While Abbott is not “average” in the sense he is the leader of a great, albeit not large, country, he is average in the respect that his actions do not shake the foundations of other nations normally.

    But they are now.

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    Tim

    “Supporting developing countries build resilience to climate change and reduce greenhouse gas emissions.” (To keep you from becoming too prosperous and therefore a trading or military threat to us.)

    “Invest in clean energy generation” (We will reduce your population through lack of affordable coal-powered heating and cooling.)

    “Energy-efficient buildings and transport.” (High-cost infrastructure we know you cannot afford without our Fund.)

    “Forest conservation and management.” (Save it for us. We’ll take it when we’re ready, in lieu of those fund repayments.)

    “Climate-proofing” of infrastructure and agriculture against storms, floods and higher temperatures.” (Hire our corporates to build as much unnecessary infrastructure as we decree you need.)

    “The fund is a new financing mechanism.” (That will need to be repaid. However, we know you will not be able to repay. So there’s no money required – just sign over your resources to us.)

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      James Bradley

      Tim,

      Truer than you think

      Research American Economic Warfare Strategies in the 1980′s used succesfully in South American resource-rich/infrastructure-poor countries.

      The bit you left out was the bribing of key Government Officials in each country to rubber stamp the approval of loans.

      The loans provided money to build the infrastructure recommended by the lender using the lenders companies and contractors for all the supply and labor.

      The result was Country A had huge debt liability with no way to repay the loan and used its resources as security.

      Lender B never loaned any real money just paper shuffled between its subsidiaries and when it called in the debt Country A handed over its resources.

      This is exactly the program run today by the international climate group.

      But now they are trying to use our money to pay themselves to perpetuate the same scam.

      Merchant Banker, Malcolm Turnbull is in favour of this.

      I hope the current MSM and ABC attempts to destabalize the Coalition and hijack the safety and security of our country through the propaganda machine by actively undermining Abbott, Hockey, Morrison, Pyne etc to promote Turnbull, is as transparent to the silent majority.

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        handjive

        JB,
        You had me until the last sentence.

        Abbott et al had many opportunities over many, many years to display due diligence and speak up.

        But, they never did.

        It is far too late to recant.

        I see people trash Abbott, but, I can not defend him.

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          James Bradley

          HJ,

          Fair enough observation.

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          FIN

          I’m not sure the centre lefties are all that enamored of Malcolm these days given his absurd defence of Abbott over his lies about cuts to the ABC etc. His stocks have fallen along with the rest of the “nasty” brigade.

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            Rereke Whakaaro

            Can you give us a reference to the poll(s) you base those assertions on?

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            the Griss

            The centre-left, ie Liberal voters, won’t give too hoots, they were never that fond of Malcolm anyway.

            Its the rabid far-left Green and Labor supporters that will be sulking, as they always do !

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              James Bradley

              Griss,

              They’ll sulk alright once all their machiavellian/ABC assisted media plots to have Malcolm installed as PM fail.

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    Tom O

    It is nice to see a “western” country waking up to the fact that monies stolen from western nations are not being used to assist “developing nations” to develop. The opposite is true. The money is being mostly used to suppress development even more through “green” (read that as money absorbing, not environmentally friendly) programs to insure the nation never truly develops beyond, say 18th century culture. Oh there will be some “modern” things such as cell phone service and first class hotels as, after all, TPTB like their conveniences when they visit “backward” areas.

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    I have a copy of a secret video of Obummer trying to strong-arm Abbott into handing over some cash, but there was just no cash.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3VnX0hf_yM

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    handjive

    SMH: Australia must respect science and our scientists

    “The life of world-leading chemist San Thang is remarkable.

    As a 24-year-old, he fled his homeland, Vietnam, leaving behind his family for a better life in Australia.

    The organic chemist is one of more than 1200 scientists and support staff being shed from the organisation (CSIRO) between June 2013 and mid-2015.

    Dr Thang began working with chemists Ezio Rizzardo and Graeme Moad and together the “three amigos”, as they’re sometimes called, invented new plastics and polymers now widely used by industry, including multinationals such as L’Oreal, IBM and Dulux.”
    ~ ~ ~
    > Mr Thang has my complete respect & eternal thanks as I consider plastic to be one of the great inventions of our age.
    ~ ~ ~
    Climate change a CSIRO priority as new chief looks to secure funding

    Larry Marshall says global warming is high on the public’s agenda because ‘the science is so compelling’

    http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2014/oct/15/climate-change-a-csiro-priority-as-new-chief-looks-to-secure-funding?CMP=twt_gu
    . . . .
    So, they will be keeping all the 97% Doomsday Global Warming Scientists.
    Go figure.

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      Aye, a bit like an airline cutting costs by sacking all of the flight crews, but keeping the hosties because they can show you how to put on your life jacket.

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      the Griss

      If CSIRO had stuck to real science instead of climbing on the climate change bandwagon, they wouldn’t be having this problem.

      And yet, it seems only those on the climate bandwagon will remain.

      Very sad, and VERY STUPID !

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        gai

        Griss,

        It is the way the bureaucrats punish the public for having the NERVE to question or defy them.

        We say the same thing in the USA.

        Tourists: Armed Park Rangers Used ‘Gestapo’ Tactics After Shutdown

        …One of the tourists, Pat Vaillancourt, talked to Steve Doocy this morning about the unsettling experience, saying that the treatment was so extreme that some of the foreign members of the group thought they were all being arrested.

        The group was told they couldn’t leave their hotel after the shutdown went into effect, with armed rangers stationed outside….

        WWII veterans storm DC memorial closed by government shutdown

        Wheelchair-bound elderly veterans pushed aside barricades to tour the World War II Memorial Tuesday morning, in defiance of the government shutdown which closed all of the memorials in the nation’s capital.

        The four bus loads of veterans — visiting from Mississippi as part of a once-in-a-lifetime Honor Flight tour — ignored National Park Police instructions not to enter the site as lawmakers and tourists cheered them on.

        “We didn’t come this far not to get in,” one veteran proclaimed.

        The scene was both emotional and comical at once. After it was clear they had lost control of the situation, Park Police officials stood aside…..

        The Obama admin. was hoping to make the shutdown as painful as possible on the ordinary citizen and then blame it on the Republicans. The maneuver backfired… Badly.

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      Yonniestone

      Why would 97%ers keep the high achievers around.

      The 3% of top scientists are good at science.

      The 97% ‘climate scientists’ are good at securing funding for the future ‘science’.

      The coexistence of intellect and self serving bias is a constant battle in ‘climate’ with no amicable outcome.

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      redress

      handjive…..

      No different to the mindset of the ABC which is cutting programs to states and rural and regional areas, yet refusing to address the Sydney/Melbourne employment bias.

      Closing the Morewell office for example will save the ABC $200 per week, i.e. the rent on the office, with staff transferred/working out of Sale…….they will spend that on extra fuel for God’s sake!!!!

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    pat

    yesterday Fairfax carried this, spinning a call for cash as China doing more, ignoring the “will work to reduce”…

    4 Dec: Bloomberg: Alex Morales/Reed Landberg: China Broadens Pollution Pledge in Call for More Climate Funding
    China will work to reduce the amount of greenhouse gases emitted for every dollar of gross domestic product and to boost its stock of forests that absorb emissions, Su Wei, China’s lead climate negotiator, said today…
    “We would redouble our efforts in terms of taking actions on climate change for the period up to 2020 and we would markedly reduce the carbon intensity,” Su said at a press conference today at the latest round of United Nations climate talks in Lima.
    Su coupled his comments on China’s commitment with a call to accelerate funding for climate aid…
    The “$10 billion is just one 10th of that objective,” and“we do not have any clear road map of meeting that target for 2020,” Su said. Climate aid is “a trust-building process,” he added…
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-12-04/china-broadens-pollution-pledge-in-call-for-more-climate-funding.html

    we created CAGW for one reason – the dream of a trillion dollar CO2 trading market, with derivatives, from which we would then hand over(mostly in loans with which countries would then have to buy our so-called renewables?) $100 billion a year to all the other countries for playing the game.

    the market would create this CO2 bubble by soaking up the pension/retirement funds of the baby boomer generation. FORTUNATELY, CLIMATEGATE HAPPENED, & THE PLAN FAILED. CONSEQUENTLY, THE ANNUAL $100 BILLION BRIBE IS OFF TOO. play your part in ensuring this remains the case by contacting your Super/retirement fund managers and letting them know, in no uncertain terms, you don’t want a cent of your money invested in anything remotely connected to CAGW. don’t just be a passive CAGW sceptic:

    September 2009: CNBC: Carbon Trading May Dwarf That of Crude Oil
    “I’m estimating carbon markets could be worth $2 trillion in transaction value – money changing hands – within five years of trading (starting),” says Bart Chilton, a Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) commissioner, who’s also chairman of its energy and environmental markets advisory committee. “That would make it the largest physically traded commodity in the US, surpassing even oil.”
    Chilton’s estimate is based on futures activity in commodities. “It’s a fairly reasonable to estimate 10 times the expected cash market,” he says, pointing to a multimillion dollar voluntary carbon market in the US in 2008…
    The OTC market once dominated this voluntary carbon trading, but as tracking and trading infrastructure has grown, the Chicago Climate Exchange (CCX) took off…
    Chilton’s estimate is based on futures activity in commodities. “It’s a fairly reasonable to estimate 10 times the expected cash market,” he says, pointing to a multimillion dollar voluntary carbon market in the US in 2008…
    NYDEC’s Grannis has greater expectations for Copenhagen.
    “With [President] Obama, we’ll go as an actor and not as people sitting on the sidelines like for the last decade,” he said.
    http://www.cnbc.com/id/32540966

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      Tim

      “…boost its stock of forests that absorb emissions…”

      Not sure which area of China, but they went about planting zillions of thirsty trees … the nearby dams went dry.

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        I don’t think the Chinese have replenished the trees chopped down by Mao when he was using everything and anything to make steel – and that’s a bloody long time ago.

        But, it was one hell of a lot of trees.

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    pat

    5 Dec: RTCC: IETA: Jeff Swartz: Carbon markets need to matter more in Lima
    Jeff Swartz is International Policy Director at the International Emissions Trading Association (IETA)
    Delaying work on the role of carbon markets in a 2015 climate deal is foolish, argues international trade body
    What needs to be remembered is that markets require a lot of technical infrastructure that can’t just materialise overnight; elements such as registries, emissions unit tracking software, emissions accounting standards and safeguards are essential for robust, efficient and, most importantly, credible carbon markets. These critical pieces of architecture could all emerge via the UN climate process, if negotiations continue – and if not, they will happen elsewhere. Global emissions trading systems (ETSs) covering some $30 billion-worth of emissions in 2013, according to the World Bank’s State and Trends of Carbon Pricing report, and even more markets are set to come online in the next few years…
    ***Markets are the best way to deliver on these objectives, to spur the technological innovations needed, to cut emissions without hindering competitiveness, to drive countries forward on a sustainable development pathway…
    http://www.rtcc.org/2014/12/05/ieta-carbon-markets-need-to-matter-more-in-lima/

    ***provided we kill coal:

    5 Dec: Fox News: Barnini Chakraborty: ‘Game we can’t win’: Coal states brace for growing number of plant closures over EPA rules
    Though estimates vary, according to the Institute for Energy Research a total of 37 states including Wyoming are seeing closures. The group lists nearly 170 plants that have closed or are closing, or are being converted to other purposes…
    The Institute for Energy Research, in its latest report, predicts more than 72 gigawatts of “electrical generating capacity” are going offline. “To put 72 GW in perspective, that is enough electrical generation capacity to reliably power 44.7 million homes – or every home in every state west of the Mississippi River, excluding Texas,” IER report says…
    “I’m trying not to sound alarmist, but it seems to me the scale at which this would affect us, because we are exporters of electricity and coal, I think it will impact our economy in a materially adverse way,” Minier said in a recent interview with the Casper Star-Tribune…
    But the Obama administration still has plenty of defenders in its regulatory push.
    Dean Baker, a D.C.-based economist and the co-founder of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, says shutting down coal plants could be good for not only the environment but also the economy.
    Baker told Think Progress that clean alternatives to coal – not just natural gas but wind and solar – are competitive, so switches should come with minimal economic hassle. He also believes that renewables can work in tandem with natural gas to make the transition smoother…
    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/12/05/coal-power-plant-closures/

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    pat

    5 Dec: EconomicTimesIndia: AFP: Developing world may need annual $500 billion for climate by 2050: UN
    LIMA: Developing countries may need as much as $250-500 billion (203-406 billion euros) per year by mid-century to deal with the fallout from climate change, a UN report warned Friday…
    “The impacts of climate change are already beginning to be factored into the
    budgets of national and local authorities,” UNEP executive director Achim Steiner said in a statement.
    “The escalating cost implications on communities, cities, business, taxpayers and national budgets merit closer attention as they translate into real economic consequences,” he added…
    Steiner said the new report “underlines the importance of including comprehensive adaptation plans in the agreement.”…
    “The report provides a powerful reminder that the potential cost of inaction carries a real price tag. Debating the economics of our response to climate change must become more honest,” said Steiner.
    “We owe it to ourselves but also to the next generation, as it is they who will have to foot the bill.” …
    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/developing-world-may-need-annual-500-billion-for-climate-by-2050-un/articleshow/45390177.cms

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    warcroft

    I’ve been thinking…
    Of Obama going to be the new climate change spokesperson? The kids love him and Gore can no longer win over crowds.
    Obama needs a job after his pres run.

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    Leonard Lane

    Good news for Australia, thanks Jo.

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    john karajas

    Goodness, goodnes me! I fear that will be more spluttering over the soy lattes at the Balmain Basket Weaving Eco-Collective.

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      the Griss

      I like this part.. Someone with some COMMONSENSE, at last !

      “Seems to me that a good start for the delegates in Lima would be to tell the powers that be at the UN to stop worrying about that which does not even fall within its chartered purview (and which consistently ranks at the very bottom of the world’s priority list).
      Perhaps it’s time to immediately reallocate some of the almost US$10 billion pledged to the coffers of the Green Climate Fund (GCF) to where such funds are really needed:”

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      gai

      Interesting that “An Honest and responsive government” is #4

      Education, health care and Jobs are 1 through 3.

      Seems the Sheeple have their heads screwed on right. Too bad their governments do not reflect the actual “will of the people” but instead reflect the “will of the Fabian Socialists”

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    4 Dec: UK Financial Times: Carbon market chief denounces European policy
    Pilita Clark in Lima
    The head of the world’s only global carbon market has said the “dumb decisions” of bureaucrats in Brussels have brought the system to the point of near-irrelevance.
    Hugh Sealy said the UN-backed Clean Development Mechanism had been undermined by a Brussels decision to restrict the use of its permits in the EU emissions trading system, the largest scheme of its kind…
    That was one reason why permit prices in the UN scheme have fallen from about $10 to less than $1 in the past three years, he said.
    “I want to go face to face with those technocrats in Brussels,” Mr Sealy told reporters in Lima…
    The CDM’s board had not made a formal request for such a discussion, said Mr Sealy, who added he was speaking in a personal capacity…
    The EU’s move to restrict the use of these permits followed criticism that some of the projects the scheme helped to fund would have been built anyway, and others of questionable value were only done to produce permits…
    The EU’s decision was heavy-handed, he said. “Why use a machete when you can use a scalpel?”…
    http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/2cb5d34a-7b8f-11e4-b6ab-00144feabdc0.html

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    Truthseeker

    Everyone! The UN are running a poll on what is important to people.

    You can vote here.

    You can see the results here.

    Climate change is at the top of the list of issues that are asked about (bias much?).

    You get to choose six issues that you rank out of 16 (each vote is of equal weight).

    Climate change is at the bottom of the list of issues that have been voted on. About 1.3m out of 6.6m people put it as one of their six top issues.

    Climate change – nobody cares; and that is true regardless of gender, age, location or educational levels.

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      GregS

      May be better if people go here: voting page

      Your link goes to the post voting thank you page.

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        Truthseeker

        GregS,

        Thank you for that. I have just found out that you can vote as many times as you like. Great poll. Oh, and the options are in a random order.

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      gnome

      6’6 million respondents get 6 votes each, that’s about 40 million votes. 1.3 million votes go to global warming, that’s about 97% against.

      It looks like we have consensus.

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        Sceptical Sam

        The really telling point would be shown if we had access to the priority given to the votes. Then they could be weighted (6 for top priority; 1 for 6th priority).

        Climate change would be well out in the cold I’d reckon.

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      gai

      The Question is WHY is the UN running a poll?

      Pascal Lamy 2 X Director General of the World Trade Organization and European Union Big Wig tells us:

      The reality is that, so far, we have largely failed to articulate a clear and compelling vision of why a new global order matters — and where the world should be headed….

      To improve policy coherence, we need to build consensus….

      In the same way, we will only find answers to the other pressing issues on the international agenda — financial reform, the environment, health, taxation, migrations — not by trying to impose solutions (which is impossible), but by constructing consensus from the bottom up.

      To achieve consensus, we need to strengthen the system’s legitimacy by better reflecting the interests and concerns of citizens. This means integrating global governance into democracy….

      All had lived through the chaos of the 1930s — when turning inwards led to economic depression, nationalism and war. All, including the defeated powers, agreed that the road to peace lay with building a new international order — and an approach to international relations that questioned the Westphalian, sacrosanct principle of sovereignty….
      - Pascal Lamy: Whither Globalization?

      He goes into legitimacy a bit more here and tells you what the vision is for World Governance.

      Global Governance: Lessons from Europe
      …Global challenges need global solutions — and these can only come with the right form of global governance, which today, 20 years later, remains too weak.

      The world is in a state of serious distress. We are in the midst of the worst-ever economic crisis — and the first to have a global reach and which has seen a decimation of employment.

      We are seeing our planet deteriorate due to global warming. We see droughts and violent floods. We see entire islands disappearing under water.[If you ever wonder what all the propaganda was about on the environment CAGW and why the banks deliberately orchestrated financial collapse, Lamy just answered the question.]

      …What is global governance? For me, global governance describes the system we set up to assist human society to achieve its common purpose in a sustainable manner — that is, with equity and justice…

      governance needs to provide leadership, the incarnation of vision, of political energy, of drive.

      It also needs to provide legitimacy, which is essential to ensure ownership over decisions which lead to change — ownership to prevent the built-in bias towards resistance to modifying the status quo. { So my guess is the UN is trying to build ‘ownership to prevent the built-in bias towards resistance to modifying the status quo’. CAGW has fallen flat so they are trying something new.]

      A legitimate governance system must also ensure efficiency. It must bring about results for the benefit of the people.

      Finally, a governance system must be coherent….

      sustainable is the code word for Agenda 21 BTW.

      I would suggest anyone taking this UN survey add NATIONAL SOVEREIGNTY as the fill in. Our National Sovereignty is the real target. The UN wants to become a clone of the EU.

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        This whole Global Governance caper is an absolute crock.

        If they really wanted to showcase their real altruism, then they could use Africa as their shining example, their model of what they really want to do, and pull that Continent out of the dark ages.

        China is now doing it on their own in their own Country, and couldn’t care less about what is being said, and in fact, people outside China are actually going along with it, while China is virtually laughing in their faces at the gullibility of people to believe in a phony gesture.

        India is not far behind them, doing exactly what China is doing, only five years behind them.

        Africa, with it’s 58 separate Countries, and a population of 1.14 Billion people live, by and large, in the dark ages, and no one gives a fig.

        This Global Governance crowd, the UN, could show some real leadership by using all this money they generate to build, Country by Country, step by step, an electrical power grid, and power plants to bring this Continent up to a level approaching what we ALREADY HAVE.

        Imagine the jobs created for this task. It would take time, and they surely have the money to do it, money that is currently being frittered away with corruption, insider benefits, cronyism, and theft.

        All they have done is latched onto a convenient excuse to make humungous amounts of money which is then distributed amongst their friends, with most probably, barely a fraction being doled out on useless tokenism that achieves virtually nothing, a vast propaganda machine which points to itself and says ….. “hey! We are just so good.”

        Sometimes I despair at the gullibility of the people who have been sucked in by this.

        Tony.

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    el gordo

    In the deep green mind Australia appears ‘mean’, while the Chinese negotiators thinks our contribution is simply inadequate.

    ‘Rich nations pledges of almost $10 billion to a green fund to help poor nations cope with global warming are “far from adequate,” particularly Australia’s lack of a donation, the head of China’s delegation at U.N. climate talks said on Thursday. Su Wei also urged all rich nations to deepen their planned cuts in greenhouse gas emissions, signaling that a joint Chinese-U.S. announcement of greenhouse gas curbs last month does not mean an end to deep differences on climate policy.’ –Reuters, 5 December 2014

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    pat

    MSM has a new report to spruik and spin. ABC delights in quoting a Liberal, for once:

    6 Dec: ABC: Sarah Gerathy: Climate change in NSW: New projections reveal likely local impacts of rising temperatures
    Parts of north-western NSW could spend more than a third of the year above 35 degrees Celsius by 2070, according to new projections released by the NSW Government…
    The detailed modelling, produced through a partnership with the NSW and ACT governments and the University of NSW Climate Change Research Centre, suggested that by 2070 average temperatures in the state will have risen by 2.1 degrees.
    Summer and spring will see the largest change with maximum temperatures up to 3 degrees higher.
    The Office of Environment and Heritage’s director of climate and atmospheric science, Matt Riley, said north-west New South Wales would notice the difference with up to 40 extra days each year reaching 35 degrees by 2070 in areas like Bourke and Moree.
    “So that means that by 2070 it’s likely that more than a third of the year in north-western NSW will be above 35 degrees,” he said…
    The modelling suggests the impact will already be felt by 2030, with 20 fewer cold, snow-producing nights in the area…
    NSW Environment Minister Rob Stokes said it was world-leading research that would help state and local authorities plan for the future…
    The NSW Government spent about $2.8 million on the project and Mr Stokes said it was a sound investment.
    “If it can help people make wise decisions to make infrastructure and investments resilient to future change, then ultimately we believe that this investment up front can save hundreds and hundreds of millions into the future,” he said…
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-06/nsw-climate-change-predictions-show-rising-temperatures/5947406

    Stokes was only appointed Environment Minister in April this year, so doubt he had anything to do with this report, which ABC claims Stokes called “world-leading research”!

    6 Dec: SMH: Peter Hannam: Climate change: NSW to become hotter, more fire danger days
    “All of our models agree that it will get warmer in NSW,” said Matthew Riley, director of climate and atmospheric science for the Office of Environment and Heritage. Cold days will also be fewer, particularly on the Great Dividing Range.
    For maximum temperatures, the increase will be about 0.7 degrees by 2030 – on top of the 0.5 degree increase during the 1990-2009 period.
    Assuming greenhouse gas emissions continue on their current path, average maximum temperatures will jump by 2.1 degrees from current levels by 2070, the regional climate modelling – dubbed NARCliM – shows…
    “By 2070, it’s likely that over a third of the year in north-west NSW will be above 35 degrees,” Mr Riley said. That’s up from about one-fifth now…
    The detailed projections come as delegates from 190 nations meet in Lima, Peru…
    Australia was singled out by China’s top climate negotiator on Thursday for failing to contribute to a $US10 billion ($11.9 billion) Green Climate Fund – one of few rich nations to opt out…
    The NSW climate assessment also follows the state’s warmest spring on record, with average maximums 3.2 degrees above the 1961-90 average…
    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/climate-change-nsw-to-become-hotter-more-fire-danger-days-20141205-120zdp.html

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      the Griss

      “suggested that by 2070 average temperatures in the state will have risen by 2.1 degrees.”

      Ah.. BOM gets their instructions !!

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      Lord Jim

      The detailed modelling, produced through a partnership with the NSW and ACT governments and the University of NSW Climate Change Research Centre, suggested that by 2070 average temperatures in the state will have risen by 2.1 degrees.

      Great, maybe we can build another $500,000 a day moth-balled desalination plant.

      The modelling suggests the impact will already be felt by 2030, with 20 fewer cold, snow-producing nights in the area…

      Ah, and let me guess, ‘suggests’ by ‘projections’ rather than ‘predictions’. I suppose this will come with the usual caveat that ‘projections’ are not to be relied on (they will still form the basis of government policy, of course)

      Too bad the Soothsayers of ancient times didn’t have similar game: ‘ah, yes, the chicken entrail is red and hot. this is bad, very bad. On the other hand, this is just a ‘projection’, not a prediction: so it may not happen at all. 1000 sesterii please.”

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        gai

        “The modelling suggests the impact will already be felt by 2030, with 20 fewer cold, snow-producing nights in the area…’
        >>>>>>>>>>>>>

        SNICKER
        The Northern Hemisphere snow cover this fall is the highest ever on record exceeding the previous greatest fall extent recorded in 1976. For the last six years the trend looks like a HOCKEY STICK – GASP!

        GRAPH

        Who are you going to believe? A CLimastrologist’s Model or Mother Nature who just dumped seven feet, (~ 2 meters) of snow on Buffalo NY, in one storm. (That is close to the amount seen in Buffalo for the ENTIRE winter.)

        People forget that during the Wisconsin Ice Age the big ice sheet was the Laurintide Ice Sheet in North America and that ice sheet has the same shape as the ‘polar vortex.’

        MAPS of the max extend of ice during the Wisconsin Ice Age.

        Eurasia – light gray is the ice sheet during the most extreme part of full glacial conditions (17,000-15,000 14C y.a.).
        http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/euras(2.gif

        Europe – White is ice
        http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/eur(22-.gif

        North America – Light Gray is ice (Note Alaska is NOT covered with ice while Chicago IL is. I think Ma nature likes Sarah Palin and does not like Obama.)
        http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/NAL2215.gif

        The above maps are from:
        Global land environments since the last interglacial

        It is a nice site to explore.

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      the Griss

      I really do wish that the press, the governments, the financiers etc etc would realise that…

      THESE ARE JUST MODELS !!!!

      They DO NOT represent any more than a maybe, possibly, imaginary reality !!

      So far the climate models have proven to be MONUMENTALY INADEQUATE when tested against REALITY !!

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        the Griss

        When you play a computer game, is it real for you..

        REALLY ???

        SURELY you know that it is a fabrication of the programmer..

        Nothing more and nothing less. !!

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          gai

          From the down thumb it seems someone does confuse Models and reality but then again Marxists and Hegelians confuse the fantasies in their heads with reality.

          Unfortunately I am not kidding The Philosophy Of Karl Marx: The Hegelian Basis

          They tried to shove this idiotic philosophy down my throat at the University of Louisiana. Unfortunately for the prof, there was this train that ran by the classroom every day so when he said “You can not know reality” I challenged him to lay on the tracks…. After making a will leaving me everything he owned of course. The class laughed him out of the room.

          Our entire civilization is base on the fact we KNOW 2 + 3 = 5 today and it will still equal 5 tomorrow and not 4 or 6. Without that bone deep knowledge how could anyone get in a car and drive or in an airplane and fly or cross a bridge? Heck how could anyone manage to stand up and walk across the room if the physical laws were fluid and unknowable.

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    pat

    there’s an interactive Adapt NSW homepage u can play with too. just click on Adapt NSW at the top of the page:

    NSW Govt Environment & Heritage: Adapt NSW
    Download datasets
    Adapt NSW provides data from the NSW and ACT Regional Climate Model.
    By visiting our Climate projections for your region page, you can download our various packs of climate information.
    In the future you will be able to download climate change projection data for a particular location and date range. If you’d like to be informed when this feature is available please email: narclim@environment.nsw.gov.au
    http://www.climatechange.environment.nsw.gov.au/Climate-projections-for-NSW/Download-datasets

    multiple links at bottom of the following:

    About NARCliM: The NSW and ACT Regional Climate Modelling (NARCliM) Project is a research partnership between the NSW and ACT governments and the Climate Change Research Centre at the University of NSW. The NSW partners include Sydney Water, Sydney Catchment Authority, Hunter Water, NSW Department of Transport, NSW Department of Primary Industry and NSW Office of Water.
    The NARCliM project began in 2011 in response to the need by regional decision makers and impact assessment researchers for high resolution climate change projections…
    The four GCMs (MIROC, ECHAM, CCCMA and CSIRO Mk3.0) form part of the World Climate Research Program’s (WCRP) Coupled Model Inter-comparison Project phase 3 (CMIP3) models, which were used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) for its Fourth Assessment Report. See the NARCliM Model Selection for more information on how the models were selected…
    LINK: UNSW Climate Change Research Centre NARCLiM Project Page ETC
    http://www.climatechange.environment.nsw.gov.au/Climate-projections-for-NSW/About-NARCliM

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    The United Nations knows for sure and certain that the emissions of Carbon Dioxide are causing catastrophic climate change/global warming.

    So, then which of these two options do you think will be their main plan so that the whole World is not destroyed.

    Option 1. Turn off all Carbon Dioxide emitting entities immediately, so that none of us die.

    Option 2. Levy a cost on those Carbon Dioxide emissions and send us the money.

    Sorry, I can’t offer a prize for guessing correctly.

    Tony.

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      Robert

      I certainly hope it is not item 1 because we are Carbon Dioxide emitting entities and I would not respond well to someone trying to turn me off.

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        Rereke Whakaaro

        I understand, from people who know these things, that it is much better to be turned on, than turned off.

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      FIN

      Simplistic nonsense as usual Tony. I think the answer might be a bit more nuanced than that. But then you lot don’t do complex very well, witness the moronic assertion that because plants use CO2 then more of it must necessarily be better. Duh!

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        Matty

        Well better for plants, clearly, though ‘Green’ sophists seem to have some difficulty grasping that.

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        the Griss

        [SNIP. Everyone lets keep insults to a mininimum, especially when talking about anonymous non-entities -- they don't deserve the thread-space. Stick to arguments and real people -- please - Jo]

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          scaper...

          The least complex explanation I can find.

          Photosynthesis used to be the first thing that was explained in basic horticultural science but not so sure these days.

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            the Griss

            I was reading a paper a few weeks ago which showed that C4 plants, when exposed to raised levels of CO2 actually start to bypass the C4 process, assumedly because they don’t need the extra process to obtain adequate CO2 any more.

            Quite interesting. Nature is pretty clever :-)

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              scaper...

              Biological evolution or devolution? Whichever…nature is not fully understood so pseudo manipulation is a fool’s paradise.

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            Annie

            Is photosynthesis taught in schools, colleges and universities these days? I get the distinct impression it’s a great “unmentionable” now.

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        gai

        We do complex very well. Some of us even like to read scientific papers. Therefore we understand that the earth is really headed for Carbon Dioxide Starvation and that CAGW is just another method to suck money out of the poor and give it to the rich.

        Royal Society (UK): Carbon dioxide starvation, the development of C4 ecosystems, and mammalian evolution

        National Academy of Science (USA) Carbon starvation in glacial trees recovered from the La Brea tar pits, southern California This was very close to sea level. The higher the elevation the worse the starvation.

        Impact of lower atmospheric carbon dioxide on tropical mountain ecosystems
        …Carbon limitation due to lower ambient CO2 partial pressures had a significant impact on the distribution of forest on the tropical mountains, in addition to climate. Hence, tree line elevation should not be used to infer palaeotemperatures….

        We also understand that the latest from the Quaternary Scientists is that the Holocene is NOT going to be similar to MIS 11, a double precession cycle.

        A Pliocene-Pleistocene stack of 57 globally distributed benthic D18O records
        Lisiecki & Raymo

        RESULTS
        Recent research has focused on MIS 11 as a possible analog for the present interglacial [e.g., Loutre and Berger, 2003; EPICA Community Members, 2004] because both occur during times of low eccentricity. The LR04 age model establishes that MIS 11 spans two precession cycles, with d18O values below 3.6% for 20 kyr, from 398 – 418 ka. In comparison, stages 9 and 5 remained below 3.6% for 13 and 12 kyr, respectively, and the Holocene interglacial has lasted 11 kyr so far. In the LR04 age model, the average LSR of 29 sites is the same from 398– 418 ka as from 250–650 ka; consequently, stage 11 is unlikely to be artificially stretched. However, the 21 June insolation minimum at 65°N during MIS 11 is only 489 W/m2, much less pronounced than the present minimum of 474 W/m2. In addition, current insolation values are not predicted to return to the high values of late MIS 11 for another 65 kyr. We propose that this effectively precludes a ‘‘double precession cycle’’ interglacial [e.g., Raymo, 1997] in the Holocene without human influence.…..

        The onset of the Little Ice Age was right when the Holocene reached about half a precession cycle old. The Little Ice Age should have proceeded to the next glaciation but it did not. If Ruddiman’s “Early Anthropogenic Hypothesis” is correct, the ONLY thing keeping us out of the next ice age is the Carbon Dioxide from modern industrialization. If Ilya G. Usoskin of the Geophysical Observatory (Oulu unit) is correct it was the Modern Grand Solar Maximum, now fading that dragged the earth back out of the cold.

        Either way the last thing that civilization needs is to quit producing CO2 because the next glaciation, without mankind’s release of the bound-up CO2, could easily see the extinction of C3 plants. C3 plants include more than 95 percent of the plant species on earth including trees and most veggies.

        Ruddiman’s 2003 paper laying forth the Early Anthropogenic Hypothesis: http://courses.washington.edu/holocene/Ruddiman-Holocene_Carbon_Cycle_Anthropocene-ClimChange03.pdf

        A History of Solar Activity over Millennia by Ilya G. Usoskin

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          the Griss

          What these lunatics fail to realise is that all the coal USED TO BE ON THE SURFACE .

          It was part of the CARBON CYCLE that give life to every creature and plant on Earth.

          It got buried, and plant life has struggled on borderline subsistence ever since.

          Carbon is still getting sequestered, all the time, by carbonate dwelling sea creatures, and the balance between enough and not enough for plant life has been delicately balanced for a long, long time.

          The human release of a small proportion of that carbon, sequestered as coal, has probably helped the planet immensely.

          We absolutely MUST NEVER FORGET the role that CARBON plays in ALL LIFE on this Earth. !

          Carbon, hydrogen, oxygen. The building blocks.

          Without enough of any one of them… we are GONE !!!

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        Robert

        But then you lot don’t do complex very well

        Pot meet kettle…

        You really aren’t very good at this, how long have you been trying now?

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          the Griss

          As an ex maths teacher, I find him very “trying”

          The low IQ student that cannot learn, because he doesn’t want to. !

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            gai

            Oh, my….
            No wonder you look blue and grumpy. Having to try and stuff knowledge into concrete blocks must be very trying.

            At the last minute I opted out of teaching and became a lab manager in several industries instead.

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    klem

    I live in North America. We need a Tony Abbott right about now.

    Where can we get a Tony Abbott, like the one you folks have?

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    Roy Hogue

    Way to go, Australia! Let ‘em complain. Who’s gonna do anything to you about it?

    I think it’ll be no one. :-)

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    Matty

    Aid agencies are poised to respond to aftermath from Hurricane Hagupit at dawn, which is battering the phillipines just now.
    While the usual suspects fly in for their own reasons

    https://twitter.com/kuminaidoo/status/540928400597463040

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    Amber

    Australians have never lacked courage and history will show they were

    absolutely right to tell the UN and the Green Blob to take a hike .

    Well Done Australia !

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    spaatch

    Ya gunna havta change the headline to:

    Bad News – Australia says YES to U.N. Green Climate Fund!!

    Julie Bishop announces Australia’s $200 million contribution to UN Green Climate Fund
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-12-10/bishop-200-million-to-green-climate-fund-at-un-climate-summit/5956676

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