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Global warming dumps late snow in Australia. Fires one year. Flood the next.

A major stormfront in NSW has dropped 170mm on rain on Ulladulla, ploughed down trees, drove waves 8m high onshore, and put the airport underwater in Sydney. It has carpeted the Blue Mountains in 20cm of snow. 30,000 homes lost electricity and 60 people were stuck in a train for two hours. This time last year the region was burning. Amazing photos at the Daily Mail.

Proof of man-made global warming…

h/t to Eric Worrall and Waxing Gibberish.

Image (Top) Photographer Nick Moir, SMH | (Bottom) No photographer listed, Daily Telegraph.

Story of the Fires in 2013 in the SMH  |   Story with the photos of snow Daily Telegraph

Doreatha Mackellar 1908

I love a sunburnt country,
A land of sweeping plains,
Of ragged mountain ranges,
Of droughts and flooding rains.

We hope everyone is safe.

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105 comments to Global warming dumps late snow in Australia. Fires one year. Flood the next.

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    pat

    o/t apology, but want to bring this to jo’s attention, in case it is affecting her website too.

    Duke C. commented at WUWT Tips & Notes:

    What’s going on with Alexa Global Rankings?

    WUWT shows big downturn:

    http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/wattsupwiththat.com

    NPR shows big upturn:

    http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/npr.org

    Dailykos shows upturn:

    http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/dailykos.com

    This doesn’t seem right. Is Alexa using a new metric?
    —————

    I HAVE JUST RESPONDED WITH THIS WND ARTICLE:

    14 Oct: WND: Disturbing mystery affecting your favorite news sites
    Major change has massive effect on rankings
    Those who run watchdog news websites are scratching their heads and trying to make sense of the latest data released by a California company that measures website traffic.
    According to data for July through September, almost every major website – from WND to the Drudge Report and Breitbart – saw its rankings drop on Alexa.com while pro-government sites mostly went up.
    Alexa Internet Inc. is a subsidiary of Amazon…
    http://www.wnd.com/2014/10/your-favorite-news-sites-shafted-by-amazon/

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      C.J.Richards

      Doesn’t it show just how sensitive these ranking sites, based on sampling, are to audience selection. When does sensitive to sampling become vulnerable to manipulation ? Hmm… rather like the NASA GISS temperature series in way, with its ability to produce a string of hottest months ever in succession .

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      Perhaps the pro-government sites have started adding the link to the Alexa Toolbar. That would mean their audiences are starting to be counted more, hence they would rise and push out other sites.

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      hannuko

      Google has “improved” their search results again. When googling “climate change”. Wattsupwiththat can now be found on page 20 in search results (your individual results may vary), when a while ago it had climbed onto page 3 (after the last “improvement”, which threw it from page 1 to page 15.)

      Apparently they have now downgraded all right-wing pages and upgraded all left-wing pages.

      This is the way our view of the world is being tweaked quietly in the background.

      Google is evil.

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        A major source of Google income is from paid advertising and for also to push key words up the search results. The fact that the World’s biggest skeptic sites high up the search results gives a lie to the secret funding of skeptics. The number of paid adverts from groups such as WWF, Greenpeace, and skeptic.com shows where the real money lies.

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          hannuko

          According to google, it shouldn’t be possible to buy more visibility via page ranking. They sell only advertisements.

          I’ll bet my money on the fact that it’s because Al Gore is a senior advices on google. And thosen “improvements” are more like this:

          “Nobody wants to see that crazy conservative and libertarian mumbo-jumbo on their searches! Bury them deep so that this denialism stops spreading and the earth can be saved!”

          Did I mention that google is evil?

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            Truthseeker

            Fight Google. Change to DuckDuckGo.

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              KenW

              Truthseeker, apparently you won’t find the truth there either.

              Searches for “Climate Change” and “Global Warming” give WUWT ZERO(!) results that I can find.

              (A 2012 article by Bill McKibben in Rolling Stone comes in at #44, 5 places behind Greenpeace.)

              Considering that Anthony’s recent stats show over 1M views/week, it does seem that the fix is on.

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      The Backslider

      It should be noted that Google now uses WHERE YOU ARE as a metric when displaying search results. For the same query on Google.com somebody in New York will see different results/ranking to somebody in Sydney.

      Exactly how this works I do not know.

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        Greg Cavanagh

        Global Warming =
        1 wiki
        2 NRDC
        3 Union of Concerned Scientists (how on earth did they get third?)
        4 National Geographic
        5 Climatehotmap
        6 GlobalWarming.org
        7 Terrifying new Math: Rollingstone.com
        bla bla lba…

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    Matty

    Listened to this lady getting all excited on the phone to Alan Jones yesterday as the snow came down around her. You Australians don’t know what snow is. Lovely when it appears unexpectedly like that. For a while anyway.

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      John Knowles

      Sadly, the laconic Aussie style is being bred out of us and it seems most people cannot cope with a bush-fire or a snow-storm these days.
      My wife worked at Lithgow Hospital yesterday evening and ended up having to stay the night in a hospital bed as all roads out of town were closed. She had a bit of fun trying to sneak a way around the road-blocks to get home to-day. The Police and Road Authority tend to over-react.

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        Matty

        Don’t get me wrong. I was glad to share in her joy at the unexpected white stuff as fell, from 10,000 miles away. I expect she took it in her stride when the novelty wore off

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        Ron Cook

        John,

        “The Police and Road Authority tend to over-react.”

        TEND? They DO over react. Even my own Son and Daughter both police officers themselves had to run the gauntlet of over zealous Vicpol to get aid (fuel, water etc.)to several farms in Kinglake, Victoria during the 2009 Victorian fires. Had they not those farms may not have survived.

        Proud, I am of my kids.

        R-COO- K+

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      aussiebear

      Alan Jones this morning on 2GB Radio…
      => http://www.2gb.com/article/alan-jones-comments-15th-october-2014#.VD4y5K0vCUk

      Talking about Climate Change Movement’s inconvenient truths as more university research and experiments come out from the USA, regarding:

      (1) plant effectiveness in absorbing CO2. (How the computer modelling does NOT accurately account the influence of plants!)

      (2) the benefits of CO2 on prairie grassland. (They become more resilent as CO2 content is increased!)

      Who would’ve thought that honest science, research, and study will gradually destroy an activist movement’s exaggerated claims! :)

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      old44

      We know what snow is, i saw some in 1952.

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    Safetyguy66

    Dorethea’s words were largely responsible for me starting to question the “settled science”.

    Today on ABC radio they spoke to a person from California who has been studying droughts. (my apologies I cant find the transcript, Radio National around 10am) She was talking about “Mega Droughts”. The conversation began with the acknowledgement of similar conditions 800 years ago then drifted off into the usual script of how AGW/CO2 is creating similar conditions now. It got even better when she described how the models take into account all the historical patterns early in the interview, then concluded the interview with a statement focussed on historical data being of no use in modern modelling due to the “new norm” of a “high CO2″ atmosphere. It was nonsense posing as science of the most entertaining order and ABC sucked it all up like a pussy cat on free fish cream, it was a gloriously frustrating pile of tosh to listen to, I wish I could link you to it.

    Its a wonderful catchall solution CO2. Religion is such a valid comparison. For the religious the answer to everything is “God did it” for the climate alarmists its “CO2 did it”.

    Certainty on that level must be a wonderfully fulfilling feeling. I only hope the relentless negativity of the viewpoint doesn’t outweigh it for them. The quest for a world of 25°c, sunny with light winds, all day, everyday, for ever is nothing if not amusing.

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      Safetyguy66

      Found it

      http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/bushtelegraph/mega-drought/5815904

      Please listen, its the funniest thing you will hear all week. A desperate ABC interviewer leading the AGW questions to a willing alarmist who cant work out what she stands for from one minute to the next. Pure, lefty, greeny, trash comedy gold. The art of speculation supported by taxpayers money trying to prove the concept of false pattern recognition with every utterance.

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        GAZ

        Headline on 30 September this year: Climate Council: bushfire season will be more intense and last longer.

        My partner, who has only been in Oz for 6 years was alarmed when she heard this, and other predictions about the coming summer. I explained to her that this part of Australian Spring Ritual. In 30 years I never heard anyone saying: this summer will be cooler than normal, and the bushfire risk is moderate.

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    TdeF

    Just wait two days! Professor Sir Dr and Australian of the Year and world renowned Paleontologist with his own bat namesake, Flim Flannery will declare this is a result of extreme weather, itself a direct consequence of man made Global Warming, although without any explanation as to why that should be. Perhaps that is from the computer models which predicted global air warming which stopped 18 years ago and a massive sea ice retreat in Antarctica instead of record high levels. Computers are amazing things. RIRO. Rubbish (theories) In, Rubbish (predictions) Out. Still, it’s better than being out of work.

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      Jock Strap

      To be fair Sir Flim was an absolutely brilliant palaoentologist and biologist before he drank the Karbon Kool Aide.

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        Greg Cavanagh

        Serious?
        While I accept that you believe this; I can’t myself use the word “brilliant” and Tim Flannery in the same sentence.

        I would need to see evidence of brilliance. I see a whole ship load of the opposite of brilliance.

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        stan stendera

        Jock Strap is a frequent troll on Bolta. Don’t feed the troll.

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      Graeme No.3

      TdeF:

      don’t you ever wonder if there was some irony in naming a bat after Tim Flannery?

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        Was it of the moon variety?

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        TdeF

        Irony? Are you suggesting he is batty? Perhaps more amazement that man made global warming would fly as “the greatest moral challenge of a generation” or that it could make you Australian of the Year. Then you would not think threatening a 13 year old girl would make a very large aboriginal footballer a National hero and media celebrity either. Australia needs real self sacrificing and courageous heroes for Australian of the year, not media creations.

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    scaper...

    Missed my favourite bit…
    I love her far horizons,
    I love her jewel-sea,
    Her beauty and her terror -
    The wide brown land for me!

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    Robber

    What to do about getting Greg (Greenie) Hunt to stop wasting our taxes and continuing to hike energy costs?
    The Carbon Farming Initiative bill – which implements the $2.5 billion Direct Action plan – is before the Senate, which has only three more sitting weeks before the year’s end.
    Mr Hunt said he wanted to get the bill passed this month.
    He said many of the indigenous and local council projects funded under the $2.5 billion program were Labor-Greens initiatives and it made no sense for the funds to be cut off.
    The government is considering a review’s report into the RET, but has committed to retaining the target of 20 per cent of Australia’s electricity from renewable sources by 2020.
    Extending an olive branch to the Greens, he said the government was committed to securing a new global agreement at climate talks in Paris in 2015.

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    C.J.Richards

    Will Tony be fixing a snowplough to his fire truck this Spring ?

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    PeterPetrum

    Hi, Jo. I live in Blackheath and it did not dawn on me that I couldn’t hear the rain any more and a deadly stillness was pervading all at about ten o’clock, that’s when my Scottish memories clicked into place and I KNEW what I’d see when I looked (like King What’s-His-Name) out of the window. Already about 150mm had fallen and my shrubs and small trees, in full spring leaf, were bent to the ground. I had rush around each in turn, shaking the wet snow off to ensure that they did not snap. I was successful, except for our magnificent 100′ high Labanese Cedar, which lost 5 main branches, devastating all below. And to think that this time last year we were evacuating in the face of a 50k fire front only 3k away from us.

    It’s obviously global warming. There can be no other logical explanation.

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      john karajas

      Of course it’s global warming if “our ABC” says so because they are inherently much more noble people and superior intellects than the rest of us. AND they don’t get their hands dirty.

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      Matty

      Wenceslas ? 150mm. That’s 6 inches or half of the imperial foot. Enough to be breaking branches and quite a lot for late spring.

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      Peter C

      I love a sunburnt country,
      A land of sweeping plains,
      Of ragged mountain ranges,
      Of droughts and flooding rains.

      She forgot to mention snow in the blue mountains for some reason. What more clear example of Gobal Warming could there be?

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      old44

      If anybody from Sydney wants to make rude comments about Melbourne weather, now is your chance.

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    John Knowles

    Spring snowfall does happen here. I remember well an English girl turning up at Orange Youth Hostel in October 1982 who’d been working as a jilleroo on a sheep property further north. She was wearing shorts and a tee shirt and not coping with the snow as she’d left almost all her clothing back on the farm. The Orange/Bathurst region inland from the Blue Mtns is often cold this time of year as it is quite elevated.

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      Ted O'Brien.

      Even in midsummer, if going to Orange or Armidale, take a pullover.

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        JoKaH

        I can remember back when the Great Race was held on the October long weekend (when it should still be held) it snowed at Bathurst on the Wednesday before the race!

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    Otter (ClimateOtter on Twitter)

    Natural Variability.

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    red breast

    I can’t wait for a “serious” report/study that says all that heat that the ocean has absorbed has caused this cold snap and therefore of course the snow is definite evidence of global warming/climate change

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    Yonniestone

    Well here in Ballarat (central/west Victoria) the last 3 days have been lows of < 3°C and highs barely over 10°C with some rain, hail and high winds thrown in for good measure, by Sunday it'll be a nice sunny 21°C….it's spring after all.

    One of the popular alarmist and indeed MSM terms is "The new normal" what the?…when honestly taking weather into account the question to ask back is 'What was the old normal?'

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    mmxx

    How many people fled coastal properties in recent years to retreat to higher ground in the Blue Mountains for fear of catastrophic sea level rises?

    Where do they now go when climastrologists suggest that they will risk death from either bushfires or freezing, all due to man-made global climate change?

    It seems that the safest place to seek climate refuge for our Australian families is inner-city Melbourne and Sydney where the coffee remains great and Labor-Greens reinforcing mantras are abundant.

    Pssst! Just between you and me, the safest places for climate refuge are climate science faculties in Australian Universities. Load the nearest into your GPS now.

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      Ron Cook

      mmxx,

      I didn’t see it but my wife did. Some drip on, guess what?, you’re right, the ABC claiming HIS research showed that sea levels were rising at an alarming rate. OMG! how do you shut these guys up? Then tonight (15th Oct.), yes, again on the ABC some ‘writer’(sic) who won some award saying that he was ashamed to be an Australian because Tony Abbott had said that coal was good.

      Aaaaagh! The begger belief.

      R-COO- K+

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    We had to learn Dorothea’s lovely poem when I went to school. A bit of a struggle at the beginning is one speaks no English at all. To speak of. ;-)

    I wonder is such would be verboten under the current teachings. It’d undermine their mantra.

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      StefanL

      Our music teacher in high school composed a stirring melody for singing Dorothea’s lovely poem and we performed it at a concert.

      I wish it had become the national anthem, instead of the dirge that we have now. :-)

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    Ian George

    Another example of how alarmists cover their backsides.

    2004
    Frost will become less and less common across much of the world as global warming accelerates, U.S. researchers reported. The latest of a series of reports on the real-life effects of climate change shows fewer days and nights when the air temperature dips below freezing.
    http://www.countercurrents.org/cc-reuters270804.htm

    Ten years later
    Severe frosts will be more frequent due to man-made greenhouse gas
    http://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/severe-frosts-will-be-more-frequent-due-to-man-made-greenhouse-gas-scientists/161855

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      Mark D.

      Ian, does anyone have a collection of these kinds of “climate misstatements”? It would be very helpful to have them as a reference. They would make very good material for letters to editors and casual posts at various sites. Even non climate sites as this is now a PR campaign after all.

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    handjive

    A couple of relevant links:

    Weather is not now climate

    A few years ago, talking about weather and climate change in the same breath was a cardinal sin for scientists.
    Now it has become impossible to have a conversation about the weather without discussing wider climate trends, according to researchers who prepared the Australian Climate Commission’s latest report.

    The report, The Angry Summer, says behind the litany of broken heat and rainfall records this year, a clear pattern has now emerged.

    “It might even be the case that the mantra chanted after every catastrophic weather event – that it can’t be said to be caused by climate change, but it shows what climate change will do – has become a thing of the past”, said Will Steffen, the report’s lead author and director of the Australian National University’s Climate Change Institute.
    http://www.theage.com.au/national/climate-change-a-key-factor-in-extreme-weather-experts-say-20130303-2fefv.html
    * * *
    Global warming means more snowstorms claim 97% consensus settled climate scientists
    http://phys.org/news/2011-03-global-snowstorms-scientists.html
    * * *
    AN investigation into a live-firing drill that sparked one of the biggest-ever bushfires in NSW has uncovered a litany of shocking Defence Force failures, including poor record keeping of anti-tank explosives and the presence of an unauthorised howitzer shell.

    The blaze started about midday on October 16, 2013 — a day of `high’ bushfire danger — as Army officers and students at Marrangaroo Army base near Lithgow blew up two piles of eight high explosive anti-tank (HEAT) rounds that were past their operational use date.

    http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/state-mine-fire-report-uncovers-a-litany-of-shocking-defence-force-failures/story-fni0cx12-1226958052948

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    Neville

    The Bolter nails the hypocrites and extremists once again. In Oct 2012 we had snow in the Blue Mountains that extended well into Qld, then in Oct 2013 we had bushfires and now in 2014 we’ve had more snow and ice that has blocked some highways overnight and this morning.

    But of course last year every leftie and his dog was screaming climate change and some even blamed Tony Abbott even though he had only been in govt for just a few weeks. Silly Luke ( this from Jennifer’s blog) thought that the Bandt drongo was a hero for berating Abbott at that time. This is the level of stupidity and infantilism we’ve had top deal with trying to argue with these fraudsters and con merchants.

    http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/where_are_the_warmists_one_year_later/

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    What skeptics seem incapable of understanding is that as you put more energy into a system, it increases the extremes—both hot and cold.

    Like when you use your microwave to reheat Chinese from the fridge:

    It gets warmer overall, but bits of it freeze, don’t they?

    I sense I’m not getting through. You’re looking at me all puzzled.

    Perhaps an analogy will help.

    Think of economic development. As capitalism strides triumphantly forward, the rich get richer and the poor get … ? That’s right. Poorer.

    Climate believers have no trouble understanding this, so why can’t you conservatives get it?

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    Ron Cook

    /Sarc on

    Isn’t this Climate Change? Bush fires one year, snow the next.

    /Sarc off

    ROFL

    R-COO- K+

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    In October 1862 there were fires but in 1863 the October hail, snow, hurricane force wind and thunder strong enough to be mistaken for earthquakes, mud and fear of a year without a summer made up for it. It became so extreme and rapid that there were rain drought cyles every half hour. Good thing that nothing as extreme seems to happen anymore!
    http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/5738171?zoomLevel=6

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    snowman Lank

    Maybe that was a climate alarmist’s snow job that hit the Blue Mountains last night.

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    Andrew McRae

    Dear me, Jo, have you not learned anything from John Cook? You have to measure climate events in units of Hiroshima Bombs!
    Let’s do the arithmetic.

    Latent heat of fusion of water, C = 333000 J/kg.
    Amount of snowfall reported, which is probably already adjusted from its true measured snow depth into a Snow Water Equivalent, was d = 150mm = 0.15 m.
    Density of water p = 1000 kg/m^3.
    Based on most distant affected towns, the area receiving snowfall was at least 50km * 50km, A = 2500km^2 = 2.5*10^9 m^2.
    Explosive yield of Little Boy, Y_H = 67TJ = 67*10^12 J.

    E = A*d*p*C / Y_H
    = (2.5×10⁹×0.15×1000×333000) ÷ (67×10¹²)
    = 1863

    Since that was the energy removed from the water to form ice, the same energy will be removed from the land and air as the snow absorbs heat during melting… which means…
    Gaia has just REMOVED 1863 HIROSHIMA BOMBS OF GLOBAL WARMING.

    Why didn’t we see that headline on the ABC?

    According to SkepticalScience that’s less than 8 minutes of global warming, but then they’re just spoilsports who’ve lost their bombs down the back of the Southern Ocean couch cushions and can’t find them any more.

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    John Knowles

    A fortnight ago we had a light frost but last week we had an unusual 30ºC day at Berambing (2500ft, Blue Mtns). This week has seen a depression off the Sydney coast bring welcome rains to my water-tanks and definite snow in a few places.
    Maybe it has always been like this periodically but these days we have better information sharing and a keener interest in weather events so we imagine it is happening more.

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    Ted O'Brien.

    For your info.

    The highest recorded maximum October temperature for “Mudgee” is 34.1 degrees, recorded at the airport site, which commenced operation in about 1991.

    I still remember a Friday in October 1988, which scorched and killed our 800 acres of beautiful wheat crop. I just looked it up and found it. 38.2 degrees at the old George St site in Mudgee on the 21st Oct. No UHI that day, it was just about a roaring westerly gale. I recall that our well sheltered verandah thermometer at Merriwa that day showed 41 degrees.

    So much for the modern records.

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    Eliza

    In my view this is one of the few sites really really tackling AGW as is should be
    https://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/ as well as J Mahorasy. The fraud is incredible but only these sites seem to be taking them on
    Re :Alexa rankings
    Most people are losing interest in Climate change both skeptic and alarmist as their is no evident warming ect.. Basically the party is over for both sides. You will see a continuing drop in hits on all climate change related sites. Although an avid supporter of WUWT for years a great mistake was made on misjudging Steven Goddard and I guess they lost half their loyal persistent audience in one swoop by doing this. Re Lucias blog a has almost died out as well as Tamino’s seems to have completely stopped. and so on. Personally I am losing interest. I only look at SG mainly as he seem’s to be on the ball concerning tghe last fledging attemps by the AGW trying to keep the meme alive using fraud.

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    James Bradley

    And all this brought to us by the long dormant ‘southerly buster’.

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    Bob Malloy

    October Brushfires in the Blue Mountains, Global warming: October Snow in the Blue Mountains, Climate Change: What more do you need to know.

    Sarc.

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    Ursus Augustus

    Paul Keating once speculated on Andrew Peacock’s prospects of returning to lead the Liberal Party with his famous rhetorical quaestion “can a souffle rise twice?”.

    I similarly ask of Tim Flannery who foretold the endless drought that wasn’t and his fellow travellers over at Team AGW Australia, can the gift of karma give again?

    The answer is YES IT CAN!!

    Oh mother nature, you trickster you. Tantalise them with a firestorm one year, get them excited, feeling all morally envigourated then trip them up with snow. Wonderful footwork, you sweet old bitch!

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    Eddie

    Weather used to largely go over our heads, now we get it reported , analysed, attributed & conjectured upon in every remote detail. No wonder we’re becoming neurotic.
    OMG. did I really say that ?

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    blackadderthe4th

    ‘Global warming dumps late snow in Australia. Fires one year. Flood the next.’ such is man made global climate change! But some of these things happen naturally anyhow! I remember having snow, not to that extent, three times during the UK summer, what matters is that the frequency of extreme events is increasing.

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      James Bradley

      Extreme events aren’t happening more frequently, but as we’ve found in Australia extreme affects due to intervention cause problems.

      I remember snow on the ground for three days over Christmas in the middle of summer in 1963 in the city of Goulburn in NSW.

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      The Backslider

      the frequency of extreme events is increasing

      No, they are not. They are clearly in decline.

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        the Griss

        BA4, your ignorance continues.

        I’ve seen snow up near Canberra in late November in the past, and fires in June.

        Its Australia…. It happens. !

        And no, there is NOT an increase in frequency of this type of event.

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          glad that two of you assert the same thing. That is evidence enough for me!

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            Heywood

            Of course, BA4′s evidence above is just as enlightening…

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            the Griss

            “That is evidence enough for me!”

            And so it should be. :-)

            But you COULD go and look at the hurricane, storm, drought records yourself..

            IF you really were interested in knowing the truth. !

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            James Bradley

            Gee Aye,

            BA4 has no direct evidence with which to support his statement, whereas Griss and I observed the events as described and this constitutes direct evidence.

            I’d say that two independant observers who report the same observations in the same areas at about the same times pretty much have corroborated and substantiated evidence as opposed to arbitrary claims without proof and corroboration.

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            Annie

            Should have been thumbs down….’phone navigation poor on my part.

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      ExWarmist

      The UN IPCC state that you are wrong.

      IPCC Special Report on Extremes (from Chapter 4) 2012:

      “There is medium evidence and high agreement that long-term trends in normalized losses have not been attributed to natural or anthropogenic climate change
      “The statement about the absence of trends in impacts attributable to natural or anthropogenic climate change holds for tropical and extratropical storms and tornados”
      The absence of an attributable climate change signal in losses also holds for flood losses”

      The report even takes care of tying up a loose end that has allowed some commentators to avoid the scientific literature:

      “Some authors suggest that a (natural or anthropogenic) climate change signal can be found in the records of disaster losses (e.g., Mills, 2005; Höppe and Grimm, 2009), but their work is in the nature of reviews and commentary rather than empirical research.”

      There is no signal for increasing climate extremes – that is pure fictional interpretation, and death wishful thinking, by desperate Alarmists such as yourself.

      Also – the idea of MMGW is that (1) CO2 rises (2) temperature rises – Then (3) Climatic effects occur.

      You have to have a rising temperature to have “increasing climatic extremes”.

      And – of course – there is the now famous temperature pause – missing heat studies galore by Warmist activists scientists – you have no mechanism to link increasing CO2 to “increasing climatic extremes”.

      Go work it out!

      Hat tip to Roger Pielke Jr

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    nc

    Eliza I suggest you pop over to WUWT and read up on Alexa and WUWT readership figures.

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    Gary in Erko

    It’s worse that you think. Climate change has altered the calendar. Last year’s bushfires were because mid January had been shifted to mid October. This year’s snow is due to a three month variation in the other direction. All dates will now need to be specified with error margins. For instance today is October 16th +/- 97.6 days.

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    Ross

    Steve Goddard has been looking at some BOM’s data and concludes it is nonsense

    http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2014/10/15/boms-hottest-year-ever-was-complete-nonsense/

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    What we are looking at may be very typical of low sunspot activity. We are in a solar minimum and the decline in sunspot activity began around 2006. Drought is common at this time. Longer winters are setting in.

    As upper atmosphere moisture is reduced. Drought sets in, the ground hardens. Dust from the drought is picked up by the winds and seeds the clouds. The rain comes and hits hard earth with immediate run off and thus your floods.

    Drought dries out the forest and surface water. Next a blaze.

    Fewer weaker hurricane seasons. Some new glacier activity.

    Lost of herds of livestock and crops from cold, required slaughter due to the lack of feed, freak early and late snow storms take new born lives.

    Very unpleasant times ahead.

    This will last until 2035.

    Paul Pierett

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    handjive

    Almost the entire mainstream media has been quiet about this development.
    So it is refreshing to see that some media are reporting the “good” news that the planet is not warming alarmingly.

    Moreover, the Kronen Zeitung mentions the surprise of the National Snow and Ice data Centre (NSIDC) in Colorado concerning the growth in the Arctic:

    Scientists at the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) in Boulder (Colorado) in any case have to admit that instead of a global warming, a global cooling is taking place. [...]

    At the moment this development appears to have turned climate science on its head globally.”

    http://notrickszone.com/2014/10/15/austrian-daily-reports-huge-ice-growth-surprises-climate-scientists-like-one-not-seen-in-decades/

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    Dennis

    I had to smile when a news reporter in the Blue Mountains west of Sydney asked a resident about the snow, last year there were bushfires and this year heavy snow falls. She asked him when he had last experienced snow falling and he replied the year before last.

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    pat

    following is all over the MSM today. the moment i heard on radio that Flanagan was asked about Australia & coal, i just knew BBC would have been involved:

    16 Oct: ABC: Man Booker Prize winner Richard Flanagan ‘ashamed to be Australian’ over Tony Abbott’s coal comments
    Tasmanian author Richard Flanagan, winner of the prestigious 2014 Man Booker literary award, says Tony Abbott’s comments that “coal is good for humanity” make him “ashamed to be Australian”.
    Flanagan was asked during a BBC interview to respond to the Prime Minister’s recent statement on coal.
    Flanagan, who has long been a vocal environmentalist, expressed his dismay.
    “I’m very saddened because Australia has the most extraordinary environment and I don’t understand why our government seems committed to destroying what we have that’s unique in the world,” Flanagan said.
    “To be frank, I’m ashamed to be Australian when you bring this up.”
    Tony Abbott defended the Government’s environmental record.
    “I don’t spend my life commenting on literature and I will leave professionals to make their comments on politics,” he said…
    Flanagan’s interview also touched on the Hodgman Government’s recent repeal of the Tasmanian forestry peace deal which had ended years of conflict between loggers and environmentalists.
    Flanagan, who had reservations about the Greens agreeing to the deal, lamented the politicisation of forests.
    “I genuinely believe that people of Australia want to see these beautiful places, these sacred places, preserved, [but] the politics of the day is so foolishly going ahead and seeking to destroy them when there isn’t even an economic base to it, when there is no market for the woodchips that would result from the destruction of these forests,” he said.
    “I think it’s unnecessary and I think it’s just politics being used to divide people that could otherwise be brought together on all that is best and most extraordinary in our country.”…
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-10-15/richard-flanagan-ashamed-to-be-australian-after-man-booker-win/5816750

    ‘Ashamed to be Australian’: 2014 Man Booker Prize winner Richard …
    Sydney Morning Herald-5 hours ago
    Richard Flanagan ‘ashamed to be Australian’ over environmental …
    The Guardian-10 hours ago
    Booker Prize-winning novelist Richard Flanagan ‘ashamed to be …
    The Japan Times-16 hours ago
    Richard Flanagan ‘ashamed’ to be Australian over ‘foolish …
    SBS-21 hours ago
    Richard Flanagan ‘ashamed to be Australian’
    Yahoo!7 News-19 hours ago
    Triumph against the odds
    The Australian-12 hours ago
    THE first thing Richard Flanagan wants to know is: “Did you get on at …. commitment to coal, he said it made him “ashamed to be Australian”
    Booker Prize winning novelist ‘ashamed to be Australian’
    Channel News Asia – ‎17 hours ago‎

    ETC ETC ETC

    someone needs to show Flanagan/ABC/Fairfax/Guardian the AFR quote from Labor resources spokesman Gary Gray:

    “There is no solution to global base-load power generation that does not feature a major role for coal. Coal fired power generation has assisted in lifting over 500 million people – principally in China – out of poverty and providing them with higher standards of living,” – Labor resources spokesman Gary Gray, Oct 13… http://www.afr.com/p/national/what_political_and_business_leaders_yOGjr6MymeJe5QY23TBQvN

    it is the partisan political nonsense of Flanagan/ABC/Guardian/Fairfax & the likes that is dividing Australia, Mr. Flanagan. your comments re coal, which has been/is so beneficial to poor people across the globe, just changed my mind about getting a copy of your book.

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    pat

    Flanagan/ABC/Guardian/Fairfax love wind turbines, of course:

    16 Oct: Daily Mail: Daniel Martin: Ex-minister attacks green obession at heart of Whitehall: Owen Paterson accuses ministers of raising energy prices for the poor
    Former Environment Secretary said support for flawed wind and solar power cost billions and made electricity and gas needlessly expensive
    The former Environment Secretary attacked a so-called ‘green blob’ at the heart of Government yesterday – accusing Whitehall officials and ministers of raising energy prices for the poor…
    He said the ‘green blob’ included civil servants and quangos in thrall to the climate change and environmental lobby…
    Mr Paterson, who was removed as Environment Secretary in July, said the only way to ‘keep the lights on’ was to scrap the Climate Change Act, which requires the UK to use more renewable energy and is backed by civil servants.
    He warned claims of impending environmental disaster were ‘widely exaggerated’, and accused a series of energy secretaries – including the Lib Dem incumbent Ed Davey – of being ‘Sheriffs of Nottingham’ by taking from the poor.
    He said: ‘It amazes me that our last three energy secretaries, Ed Miliband, Chris Huhne and Ed Davey, have merrily presided over the single most regressive policy we have seen in this country since the Sheriff of Nottingham: the coerced increase of electricity bills for people on low incomes to pay huge subsidies to wealthy landowners and rich investors.’…
    The former minister also said he was disgusted by rich film stars who fly to Africa to preach against the burning of fossil fuels there…
    Speaking to the Global Warming Policy Foundation think tank, Mr Paterson claimed the effects of climate change had been ‘consistently and widely exaggerated’, and policies to encourage onshore wind farms will cost £1.3trillion by 2050.
    He said wind turbines had ‘devastated landscapes, blighted views, divided communities, killed eagles, carpeted the countryside and the very wilderness that the “green blob” claims to love with new access tracks cut deep into peat, boosted production of carbon-intensive cement, and driven up fuel poverty – while richly rewarding landowners’…
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2794803/ex-minister-attacks-green-obession-heart-whitehall-owen-paterson-accuses-ministers-raising-energy-prices-poor.html

    disclosure: i don’t agree with Paterson when he promotes fracking, but fracking doesn’t bother Flanagan/ABC/Guardian/Fairfax when their beloved Obama is supporting it all over the US.

    15 Oct: UK Express: John Ingham: UK’s wind farm ‘folly’: Electric bills to soar by £1000 thanks to reliance on wind power
    HOUSEHOLDERS are facing soaring energy bills and winter power cuts thanks to the “folly” of relying on wind power, experts said last night.
    The green crusade of successive governments is set to double electricity bills for households and cost homes £26billion a year by 2030, it was claimed yesterday…
    The Scientific Alliance report highlights warnings by the regulator Ofgem that the margin for electricityproduction for the 2015-16 winter will be at an all-time low of 2 per cent compared to the pre-privatisation requirement of at least 20 per cent.
    It means that in times of high demand, such as during very cold weather, Britain would be at risk of power cuts.
    The alliance argues that wind power – which is the main renewable energy source depended on by Government – is unreliable.
    One of the experts, Sir Donald Miller, former chairman of Scottish Power, said: “The blind reliance by successive governments on unreliable, intermittent renewable energy has reduced the margin of safety to a critical level.
    “This has brought the country to a position where power cuts could become a regular feature of cold winters for several years.”
    The written report has been submitted to the Lords Science and Technology Committee’s inquiry into the nation’s electricity infrastructure…
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/522800/Wind-farms-blamed-for-winter-power-cut-and-rise-energy-bills

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    pat

    re Alexa:

    anthony has a thread:

    Smells fishy: Alexa’s data blunder hits Drudge, WUWT, mostly favors leftist news sites over conservative news sites
    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/10/15/smells-fishy-alexas-data-blunder-hits-drudge-wuwt-mostly-favors-leftist-news-sites-over-conservative-news-sites/

    there’s definitely something funny going on.

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    pat

    an update at WND:

    15 Oct: WND: Leo Hohmann: Caught ‘red-handed’: News-site deception uncovered
    ‘This is the smoking gun. This is huge’
    Statistically, it would seem to be impossible.
    How could every major alternative website that challenges the mainstream, establishment view of Washington and the world be experiencing a drop-off in readership while their counterparts on the other side of the political spectrum are gaining readers?
    It appears unlikely, yet that’s exactly what happened last month, according to Alexa.com, which measures web traffic and ranks websites from the most popular to the least popular.
    The Drudge Report, WND, Breitbart, Fox News, the Blaze, Newsmax, CNSNEWS, the Daily Caller, Infowars and Natural News are all plunging in popularity, according to Alexa’s rankings.
    At the same time, pro-government sites like the Daily Kos, ThinkProgress, Media Matters, MSNBC, NPR.org and Democracy Now! are all rising in popularity, according to Alexa…
    Several responded in WND’s first report on the mysterious trend. And more have responded since that article was published, including the head of Breitbart News, who is not buying the new figures released by Alexa.
    “Despite increasing traffic on Breitbart.com, the Alexa rankings for Breibart.com dropped significantly in one month. That certainly calls into question Alexa’s newly reported numbers,” Larry Solov, president and CEO of Breitbart News, told WND.
    What’s even more surprising is that a top alternative website focusing on health issues, which has been reporting daily on the hottest news topic concerning health in years, Ebola, would also be down in the Alexa rankings.
    But that’s exactly what happened to NaturalNews.com, a site operated by Mike Adams, a scientist also known as the “health ranger.”…
    http://mobile.wnd.com/2014/10/caught-red-handed-news-site-deception-uncovered/

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    pat

    for Flanagan & the CAGW MSM:

    16 Oct: MetalMiner: India More Reliant on Foreign Coal
    It was to be expected. India’s coal imports in September zoomed up by 19% to 16 million tons as compared to a year ago, no thanks to low output from the state-run Coal India Ltd (CIL), according to data by online trader mjunction…
    An India Ratings report earlier said India had imported 171 mt of coal at US $16.41 billion in 2013-14 as against 145 mt at US $17.01 billion in the previous fiscal, clearly underlining the fact that India’s dependence on foreign coal is increasing…
    India’s hunger for coal continues unabated, even though it sits on what many estimate to be the world’s third largest coal deposits. Inconsistent mining policies, red-tapism and a legal verdict that overturned almost all previous mining licenses for coal blocks has forced Indian companies to look to foreign shores to fulfill their coal needs…
    By the way things are moving on the coal front, Glencore, the biggest trader, has predicted that Indian imports will go up to 180 mt in 2015 and then to 300 mt by 2020. The country may soon overtake China as the biggest importer of coal it said, according to this report in the DNA.
    http://agmetalminer.com/2014/10/16/india-more-reliant-on-foreign-coal/

    15 Oct: MarketOracle: King Coal Strikes Back at the Obama Administration
    Dr. Kent Moors writes: The latest salvo in the “Coal Wars” comes from the American Coalition for Clean Coal Electricity (ACCCE), and it’s aimed squarely at the Obama Administration.
    Of course, the ACCCE isn’t exactly an impartial observer. In fact, you might say it has one huge dog in this fight.
    But in its latest missive, fired off just last week, the coal industry group emphasizes an important point that’s always been just below the surface in the continuing battle between coal producers and government regulators.
    It’s the high price consumers are going to have to pay as coal goes away…
    Trying to Send “America’s Workhorse” to the Glue Factory…
    “Coal is the workhorse of America’s electric grid, delivering stable, low-cost heat and electricity and often picking up the slack for more expensive, less reliable fuel sources. With less coal in our energy mix, millions of Americans will face higher electricity costs and diminished electric reliability, putting their health, well-being, and financial security in jeopardy,” Sheehan said…
    Now granted, you have to consider the source. But there’s more to this story than a simple political difference over the cost of electricity. There are tangible economic concerns developing as well.
    Take what happened during last year’s “polar vortex,” for example.
    As Gregory Meyer of the Financial Times from London reported several months ago, the particularly cold and nasty winter throughout much of the U.S. caused natural gas prices to surge and threatened electric grid reliability…
    Meanwhile, electric utility American Electric Power (NYSE: AEP) had to run nearly 90 percent of its coal-fueled plants slated for retirement in 2015, just to meet the increase in customer demand.
    “We may not be able to predict future weather, but we do know that the outlook for American families and businesses finding affordable, reliable electricity is bleak, especially if the EPA’s proposed carbon regulations move forward. Once coal plants are taken offline, there is no turning back, and America’s energy infrastructure will be put into a tailspin,” Sheehan added in the ACCCE release…
    http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article47759.html

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    pat

    coal is so strategic to the industrialisation of South Africa, the Govt will try keep more in the country for domestic use:

    16 Oct: Yahoo: South Africa to announce iron and coal as ‘strategic minerals’
    The South African government is poised to announce iron and coal as “strategic minerals”, which analysts say would have a negative impact on mining company profits. Ngoako Ramatlhodi, South Africa’s minister for mining, on Tuesday said that a new bill being put before the president could reclassify certain minerals such as coal and iron ore as “strategic” in order to support local industrialisation.
    As a strategic mineral, the South African government could decide how much of a commodity must be sold and at what price.
    “If that bill is signed into law, then it will give the minister the ability to declare certain minerals strategic for purposes of industrialisation in South Africa,” he said.
    Under the bill, Ramatlhodi said strategic minerals “will be sold for production costs excluding transportation. That is the mine-gate price. And the industry is comfortable with that, because they negotiated that formula,” he said…
    https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/south-africa-announce-iron-coal-090600703.html

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    pat

    a letter in the Yorkshire Post for the elitist Flanagans of this world:

    16 Oct: Yorkshire Post: Coal is cleaner option and gives us ‘energy independence’
    From: Barrie Frost, Watson’s Lane, Reighton, Filey.
    BRITAIN has severely reduced the number of her coal-fired power stations and has spent around £1bn converting the coal-fired Drax power station to burn wood pellets, described as renewable biomass material. This has been done to achieve so-called cleaner energy and reduce harmful emissions and help combat climate change.
    But, there are very serious and conflicting views on the claims made for wood pellets and the importation and use of these has been described by some as “lunacy”…
    Recently 60 eminent American scientists wrote to Ed Davey, our Energy Secretary, pleading with him to stop ignoring the basic science and pressing on with a policy which was denuding their glorious forests. They say that burning trees to obtain electricity increases carbon emissions compared with fossil fuels. In addition to the environmental damage caused by chopping down mature trees is the loss of habitat to many creatures and the additional pollution from transporting the wood pellets annual distances of about 1.5 million miles by ships.
    Consider the energy policies which Britain chose to ignore in preference to this mess. Britain has three billion tonnes of coal reserves and already had the best coal miners and collieries in the world. With her world-leading Carbon Capture and Storage (CCS) technology, around 90 per cent of harmful emissions can be ‘captured’ and, guess what, Britain has enough room in depleted oil-fields to safely store over three centuries of these pollutants with these depleted oil-fields so conveniently near. Mining our coal does not damage the environment, does not destroy the habitat of many creatures, does not pump diesel fumes into the atmosphere, does not cost a fortune in imports and very importantly gives Britain energy independence.
    http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/debate/letters/coal-is-cleaner-option-and-gives-us-energy-independence-1-6898450

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    John Abbott

    Something about more extreme weather?

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