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Global warming brings first ever summer skiing to South of France

[The Local] A combination of an icy winter and a chilly spring has meant that for the first time ever in the month of June, skiers will have the option of heading to the pistes in the French Pyrénées, French TV TF1 reported on Wednesday.

After recent cold weather, bosses at the ski station Porte Puymorens in the Pyrénées-Orientales region of the mountain range that divides France from Spain have taken the exceptional step to re-open the slopes this weekend after they had closed them at the end of the season in April.

The Pyrénées witnessed heavy snow falls throughout the winter that led to regular avalanche alerts being put in place.

At one point in the ski season, stations had to close because there was too much snow.

Spring in France, which forecasters say has been the coldest in 25 years in some parts of the country, has meant the snow, which would normally have melted away by this time of year, is still in abundance.

Charre said that slopes running between 1600m and 2500m in altitude “have as much snow as in winter”.

“From 2,100m upwards, everything is still pristine without any tracts of earth showing through. The snow is on average 70cm to 80cm thick and in some places there are still drifts of up to five metres deep,” he added.

A Swiss resort said it might re-open, then changed its mind, but Planetski doesn’t think skiing in summer is good at all.

Most ski resorts are wet and worried.

In November they are concerned about whether there will be enough snow and if reports of bare slopes will harm winter business – now they fear they will not see the sun and the reports of the bad weather will simply put people off a summer visit.

Here at PlanetSKI we have been speaking to resorts and national tourist offices and their mood is glum.

People do not want to come to the mountains in the summer and get soaked.

There have been huge marketing campaigns and much money spent on promoting summer in the mountains.


We are a ski web site, but are we pleased that ski resorts are re-opening in June?

No.

We want summer.

England has just experienced its coldest Spring since 1891, according to the Central England Temperature Series. Capetown recorded it’s earliest June snowfall in years.

Scientifically, of course, this means nothing. (Why do I even have to say that?)

It’s not global anyhow, we here in winter in Perth Australia have absolutely no snow. Not a flake*.  ; )

This post is partly for the pet troll who doesn’t think skeptics should be allowed to discuss the weather. (Alarmists can blame a tornado on your SUV, but if a skeptic mentions record cold, it’s a groupthink dog-whistle, wink, wink and anti-science.)

Post tagged: Meaningless Weather Stuff

h/t Steven Goddard & Marc Morano.

*All ski resorts shut (it’s been a bad-ski-season in Perth since 12,000BC).

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    ursus augustus

    I am drawn to the suspicion that this planet has a wicked sense of humour and cannot stand hubris, arrogance and poseurs. All this late precipitation must be the planet just pissing itself in anticipation as the AGW alarmists go further and further out on their limb.

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      Rod Stuart

      I thought Flannery was completely off his rocker (AND STILL DO) when he predicted that before 2100 the planet would grow itself a brain and a nervous system.
      Is that what we are witnessing now? The Good Lord got so annoyed with these idiots like Jones, Trenberth, Briffa, Mann, McKibbon that he decided to show them who is REALLY the boss?

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        Bulldust

        Speaking of Mr Barking Mad, he’s touring Oz right now. Maybe he is avoiding the cold in Europe…

        http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/bill-mckibben-350org-founder/4732632

        He is quite proud of the clergy protesting and being arrested against the Keystone Pipeline project in America. I couldn’t force myself to read the whole article.

        I think he is a boon for skeptics … religious zealots like him look ridiculous in the face of rational scientific arguments. The more he rants the more Joe Public turns off CAGW. It’s a bit like Gillard and Labor … the more she does and talks the more Labor’s polls dive.

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          Grant (NZ)


          Bulldust, there are Christians on both sides of the argument. I think the work of the Cornwall Alliance has a better scientific basis, as well as a more sound theological basis to it.

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            Is their creationist stance part of the “better scientific basis”, or part of their “more sound theological basis”?

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        Backslider

        he predicted that before 2100 the planet would grow itself a brain and a nervous system

        This I gotta see… do you have a link?

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          Rod Stuart

          I’ve seen it in print, and can’t locate it, but here it is from the horses mouth. A mixture of Cloward-Piven, Erlich, and Hitler all rolled into one idiotic rant.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeNDSeknn_c

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            Mark Hladik

            That was interesting!

            I don’t know if others have done this, but on the right-hand side, about half-way down, there was a video (produced by someplace called ‘talkingclimate.org’) called “How to talk to a climate change denier”. I watched that one, since I have to know how to talk to myself about climate change, since I am a “climate change denier”.

            Except that, as far as I am concerned, climate changing is the norm, and climate ‘stability’ is not normal.

            It was interesting to watch/listen to this “George Marshall” try to sound reasonable. The problem is, he is the one who is in denial: he thinks that before he was born, the climate had never ever changed one little bit at all, so the past century or so, all of a sudden, something began to change, ergo mann must be causing it.

            Oh well, it was still interesting.

            Disappointing to see such ignorance on display, but interesting.

            I welcome your comments, and if you are “George Marshall”, get some training in science, OK?

            Thanks,

            Mark H.

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          Rod Stuart

          Here you go slider:”When appearing on the ABC’s Science Show in January this year, Flannery said: ‘This planet, this Gaia, will have acquired a brain and a nervous system. That will make it act as a living animal, as a living organism, at some sort of level.’”
          Now, that’s SCIENCE. Spoken like the real scientist that he is. Isn’t he WONDERFUL? He ceratinly earns his 3/4 mill a year, wouldn’t you say?

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      Andrew McRae

      The phrase you’re looking for is The Gore Effect, observed on a variety of occasions and seen most recently in Feb 2013 – for which a short video summary is available.

      The Placebo Effect is interpreted by some as evidence of the power of mind over matter. Perhaps the Gore Effect is evidence that Gaia is real and it is laughing at us. ;)
      (Or maybe CO2 is a placebo pill for warming? As skepticism spread CO2 lost its placebo effect.)

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    The Black Adder

    Well said Jo, the Charlatans are being held to account!

    Remember Dr David Viner claiming that our children will just not know what snow looks like!

    Well he got that wrong.

    When this green facade comes falling down. These lying bastards who have fleeced us taxpayers of Billions of Dollars, must be held to account.

    Charge them for fraud and put ‘em in the slammer!

    We can start with Flim-Flannery and Karoly here in Australia!

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      ursus augustus

      and just think about the schadenfreude when the lefty media luvvies wake up to the fact that they have been scammed big time and the only way for them to hang onto any shred of credibility will be to turn on these posturing frauds and rip their reputations to shreds.

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        The Black Adder

        I’d be happy if those lefties were thrown in the clink too…

        Dr Karl, the whole of the ABC, Paul Syret et al.

        There is a lot of snake oil salesmen and women out there!

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      Rick Bradford

      I hate to put a crimp in anyone’s pantyhose, but it seems inconceivable to me that any of these charlatans will be brought to full account for the deaths, misery and financial damage they have caused.

      They would not now be in such lofty positions of taxpayer-fed patronage if they didn’t possess an unusual degree of political cunning, including the ability to re-invent themselves as the situation demands.

      Look at Flannery; he caused untold damage with his stated certainty that eastern Australia would ever see decent rain again. Now that the dams are groaning with water, and citizens dodging floods on a regular basis, has he suffered any backwash? None.

      Even if the political climate shifts radically (as in Queensland), all that will happen is that these people will lose direct government funding and go to find accommodating jobs with the UN or NGOs.

      The effect on the legacy media and its uncritical innumerate journalists will hardly be noticed, since they are all tanking anyway.

      Expect a lot of mea culpas along the lines of “We acted on the best knowledge available at the time” which is untrue, but sounds plausible.

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        Andrew McRae

        These climate witchdoctors offered to make the “Angry Summer” spirits go away and save us from climate catastrophe as long we take their medicine and bleed ourselves at $35/tonne. Is there now a groundswell of support for mob justice and a lynching of the witchdoctors?

        And right on cue the ABC tells us that if you suspect someone of being a sorcerer you are not allowed to attack them.
        Funny co-incidence, that.

        Of course the timing is really due to a major conference on witchcraft and sorcery hosted by the Australian National University this week. The ANU of course is home to one of Australia’s greatest witchdoctors, the author of the Garnaut Report into cost effective reduction of evil carbon emissions. Oddly enough he is also perfectly at home in PNG as a director of a mine whose environmentally destructive emissions of tailings is undoubtedly conjuring more than bad spirits.
        From the New Guinea jungle to the concrete jungle the sorcerers are a protected species.

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    crakar24

    THE DEATH SPIRAL HAS BEGUN………..sorry my mistake i had the graph upside down.

    http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm

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      handjive

      Not much fun riding a bike in the warm snow?
      .
      Presenting the “all year round global warming sport”:

      Bar Stool Racing!

      MARTIN CITY, Montana – Barstool ski racing is, essentially, a competition to see who can go the farthest without spiffing it.

      “Spiffing it” is, of course, the technical term for tumbling head over heels from your barstool, something far more likely to happen if you’ve knocked a few back beforehand.

      “It’s kind of like NASCAR,” said barstool racer Brandon Kelvin. “You watch it for the wrecks.”

      And the beer. So much beer.

      “It’s more than fun. It’s awesome,” said bartender Leslie Fuller.

      “This is the most fun we have all winter.”

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    Manfred

    I have concluded that it is impossible to falsify the AGW/CAGW hypothesis. /sarc

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    Brendan

    This is an instance of an extreme weather event.

    AGW predicts extreme weather.

    QED !

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      crakar24

      Brendan,

      This is factually incorrect, the AGW theory Vers I stated above all else that the theory predicts temperatures to rise, the temps will rise due to a higher content of water vapour in the atmosphere (creation of the hotspot). An increase in high cloud cover (positive feed back) low rain bearing cloud cover (negative feed back) will reduce. Therefore we will get less rain/more droughts.

      AGW Theory Vers II stated we will get more storms, less snow, less ice, more fires, more floods etc.

      AGW Theory Vers III stated we will get more extreme weather events as you allude to however the one undeniable fact that seems to be forgotten is that for it to snow it must be cold or there is a lack of heat if you like.

      AGW Theory Vers IV, In light of the fact that there is a distinct lack of heat there have been a number of attempts to explain its apparent absence but as yet all have ended in abject failure and the longer the lack of heat extends the harder it is/will be to explain.

      SLC! (Some Latin Crap)

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        Manfred

        Hey crakar24,

        Dic mihi quaeso.

        SLC????

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        MemoryVault

        Hi Brendan,

        I do believe VERS I, II, and III also predicted that the bulk of the warming would be in the northern latitudes, and would be predominantly in winter. In other words, milder winters rather than hotter summers.

        Look how well that’s worked out for them.

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        Actually, I think Brendan could be partly right. AGW does predict more extreme weather. That could mean more extreme more cold weather events as well as more warm weather ones. You will get a greater spread of extreme events at either end of the distribution. However, if the mean temperature increases, then the number of new extreme warm events will far outweigh the cold ones.

        One big public relations disaster for the global warming alarmists is that they did not predict these extreme cold events. As scientists have some understanding of the world, it would suggests claims of climatologists to be scientists are false.

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        Bulldust

        Video of the inner circle of IPCC cogniscenti emerges:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgYEuJ5u1K0

        Inspired by Crakar’s post.

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      manalive

      That’s very funny Brendan.
      Can I suggest that in future you add a ‘sarc’ tag, a little winky-face or similar to your hilarity.
      Otherwise people will think you are a moron.

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      Brendan

      Sorry guys, I thought the sarcasm was self evident. I’ll know for next time.

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        Andrew McRae

        Remember Poe’s Law.
        Emoticons are essential allies in this bare text frontier.

        You could amp up the parody level with more flowery verbiage and obviously erroneous reasoning, but Poe’s Law says that even this will not be enough to make your true intention discernable.
        Jonathon Swift didn’t need emoticons in his Modest Proposal, but he was proposing to eat babies, not institute new taxes.

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    Tim

    If it’s hot…it’s Global Warming. If it’s cold…you guessed it.

    http://www.wunderground.com/news/sea-ice-loss-20130326

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      crakar24

      Interesting Tim,

      Just so i am clear on this the Artic has *warmed* causing the ice to melt.

      According to Francis and a growing body of other researchers, the Arctic ice loss adds heat to the ocean and atmosphere which shifts the position of the jet stream – the high-altitude river of air that steers storm systems and governs most weather in northern hemisphere.

      This warm air/heat that melted the ice shifts the jet stream that forces fridgid Arctic temps lower?

      “This is what is affecting the jet stream and leading to the extreme weather we are seeing in mid-latitudes,” she said. “It allows the cold air from the Arctic to plunge much further south. The pattern can be slow to change because the [southern] wave of the jet stream is getting bigger. It’s now at a near record position, so whatever weather you have now is going to stick around,” she said.

      Question, how can warm air melt ice in the Arctic whilst simultaneously bring bitter winters through Europe and US?

      Do you think these scientists ever considered the role played by our now dormant sun?

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        MemoryVault

        Ya just gotta love it.

        the Arctic ice loss adds heat to the ocean and atmosphere

        Well of course it does. That’s why we put ice cubes in our drinks – as the ice melts it heats our drinks and warms up the air around the glass to boot. Any dummy knows that.

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        For the record, a quick trip around the Arctic Circle reveals the following current temperatures:

        Thule (Greenland) – MINUS 2 degrees C.
        Nanavut (Canada) – MINUS 3 degrees C.
        Barrow (Alaska) – - MINUS 4 degrees C.
        Pevek (Russia) – - PLUS 1 degree C.
        Hammerfest (Norway) – PLUS a whopping 7 degrees C.

        With “warming” like that, I’m surprised there isn’t a regular tsunami of meltwaters flooding the coastlines of the Arctic Circle countries, as we speak.

        .
        PS – I especially like the way the melting ice not only ADDS heat, rather than requiring it, but also ADDS it to BOTH the water and the air at the same time. I’d just love to see the latent heat transfer calculations for that particular trick.

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          PeterB in Indianapolis

          Anyone who has had even the most elementary of “physical science” classes used to be taught that ice/snow do two things:

          1. Ice and snow increase albedo, reflecting more sunlight back towards space, which reduces surface temperatures.

          2. Ice and snow require energy input in order for melting to occur, and the use of this energy to melt the ice and snow reduces the energy available to raise temperatures, thereby reducing surface temperatures.

          The fact that climate scientists have this completely wrong is totally unsurprising, yet at a base level quite terrifying.

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        Tim

        Hi Crakar – it seems the solar activity data is conspicuous by its absence in the one-eyed CAGW proponents reckoning. They seem to only understand ‘solar‘ in relation to panels. (Radiation is hard to tax, mind you.)

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    Yonniestone

    A couple of years back I heard this story about Cook and Lew.
    Lew came back from a trip abroad and at his first lunchtime back produced a thermos and poured a hot coffee.
    Cook was astounded and asked what it was, Lew replied “It keeps hot things hot and cold things cold.”
    So Cook went out and purchased a thermos and proudly took it out at lunchtime.
    Lew enquired to what Cook had in his thermos for lunch to which Cook replied,
    “500 ml of soup and two icy poles!”
    True story apparently ;)

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    Peter Miller

    The point is well made that whenever the weather has an event which makes a mockery of CAGW theory, such as snow in French skiing areas or England’s coolest spring for many years, it is absolutely verboten to make any comment.

    Yet, if another type of abnormal natural weather event occurs which can be demonstrated as promoting CAGW, due to a rare combination of weather factors such as big storm Sandy, a couple of big tornadoes in Oklahomo, then this is conclusive proof of imminent CAGW.

    The world’s media needs to grab its audience’s attention and there is nothing like a story of human suffering caused by unusual weather events. Next step: Who is the culprit behind these unusual weather events? Why, us of course and our evil carbon dioxide spewing SUVs.

    How the Chinese and Indians must laugh at the efforts of the liberal/socialist/greenie ‘elites’ of the Western World and their efforts to hamstring their economies by promoting expensive, unreliable energy policies and heavily taxing those who want to produce cheap, reliable energy. They just carry on doing their thing, creating prosperity and making a total mockery of whatever we might do to curtail carbon dioxide emissions.

    Insane energy policies are doing so much economic harm to the countries of the Western World and it is going to get a lot worse – in the UK, it is a only a few short years, perhaps only months, until the rolling blackouts and brownouts begin.

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      Manfred

      Exactly Peter!

      It not possible to falsify the AGW/CAGW hypothesis. /sarc

      (Falsification apparently depended on 15 yrs. no warming, which has taken place).

      The implication is that the hypothesis has been elevated to belief, no longer in the province of science, but a matter of faith, consensus and politics. It now needs to be dealt with on the basis of a religion or possibly a bizarre cult practice, which can very very tricky in this PC age, particularly when ‘condoned’ by much of the ruling and bureaucratic elite.

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        MemoryVault

        . . . the hypothesis has been elevated to belief, no longer in the province of science, but a matter of faith . . .

        Any idea that a trace gas, constituting less than 400 parts per million of the atmosphere, could somehow be the main driving force behind fluctuating atmospheric and ocean temperatures, and subsequent changes in our planetary weather and climate patterns, really had little to do with “science” in the first place.

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          Manfred

          MV, I do agree with your sentiments, but you must concede that science be methodologically permitted to advance the hypothesis of AGW, CAGW or Dalek induced GW.

          Facts acquired through observation (late 20th century GW + rising CO2) allow the development of laws and theories through inductive reasoning, even allowing for manufactured schticks, RWP, MWP and the general idea that association is causation.

          Laws and theories allow deductive reasoning to develop predictions and explanations. The wheels get traction here necessitating the name change to climate change, institution of taxes, the CO2 contraction to ‘carbon’, RET, windmills, and Teslamobiles.

          Then things got real bad. Temps. no longer rise, CO2 rises, and CET indicates cooling.

          Who cares? The Church of Climatology no longer needs prosaic things like ‘science’. Faith is the sole ingredient and the hypothesis is elevated to a ‘credo’, lubricated by money.

          It’s all been done before.

          Next stop, ‘The Carbon Inquisition’.

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            MemoryVault

            .
            I agree with you entirely Manfred.

            However, given the choice only between Mann-made CO2 caused Catastrophic Global Warming, and Dalek Induced Global Warming, I would still probably go with the Daleks.

            All things considered, it is the far more plausible hypothesis.

            I’m just not sure how they would accomplish it with their sink-plunger appendages.

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            Peter Miller

            “Next stop the Carbon Inquisition”

            Manfred, we are already there. It is almost impossible to be, or stay, employed in western government or quasi-government scientific organisations if you rightly believe CAGW theory is a crock.

            You are vilified – equivalent of being excommunicated – by the left/greenie/ecoloon leaning media if you dare say any of the following:

            1. There has been no statistically significant warming for the past 15-17 years.

            2. The polar bears are thriving.

            3. The rate of change of rising sea levels is not accelerating, it is staying the same.

            4. It has been much cooler in XXXXX over the past few months, the lowest temperature for YY years.

            5. Super storm Sandy was not even a hurricane strength event, it was a rare combination of weather systems and spring tides.

            6. The glaciers have been retreating for over 150 years, it is not just a recent event.

            7. The geological record shows the 20th century warming is not exceptional and has been experienced many thousands of times before in Earth’s history.

            8. While the Arctic ice cap may be shrinking for whatever reason, the Antarctic one is increasing for whatever reason. We do not know why!!! We can only make educated guesses.

            9. What we know about climate is almost irrelevant compared to what we do not know.

            10. Climate models are deeply flawed and are incapable of long term hindcasting, so why should we trust the forecasts of those who are in the business of trying to perpetuate their jobs?

            11. Carbon dioxide is not an evil gas, it is essential for life on Earth. In fact, compared to the last 200 million years, we are currently in a carbon dioxide drought.

            The list goes on and on, and yes we are living in the time of the Carbon Inquisition.

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    pat

    what an idiotic headline by taxpayer-funded ABC. MSM should be forced to revert to “manmade global warming” when they write about this topic:

    4 June: ABC: Queensland lake untouched by climate: scientists
    Using carbon dating on a core sample from Queensland’s Blue Lake, scientists have found that the freshwater system has remained virtually untouched by changes in climate for the past 7,000 years…
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-04/queensland-lake-untouched-by-climate-scientists/4732342?section=vic

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      Joe V.

      So wait aminute . The water gets completely replaced every month , yet it’s been stable for 7500 years. How does that work ?

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        Kevin Lohse

        The silt at the bottom of the lake doesn’t get replaced every month. That’s where the samples were taken from. However, on that replacement figure, a concentration of pollens and other proxies could be expected. I suspect that interpreting the data would be difficult.

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    Rereke Whakaaro

    Perhaps that is a spurious colon in the headline?

    I have a suspicion that they are adverse to getting wet – something to do with holy water, or such like.

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    James (Aus.)

    Where’s the Brooks boy? You know, the head tilter.

    I’m expecting an update from him along the lines of, “we now know, and it’s much worse than we thought, that early summer snow [following a record cold winter and spring] is the certain sign of global waaarming. No, we predicted the opposite, but hell, this one covers all bases better than 6 feet of snow in Moscow”.

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      Backslider

      Brooksie…. Mattb and the rest are curiously absent lately.

      Perhaps they have all gone skiing?

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      Winston

      Pushing sh*t uphill is very tiring,doncha know. So, all are obviously in need of a bit of R&R before once again putting shoulder to the grindstone, defending the indefensible, and undertaking much needed reinforcing of their armour plating which renders them impervious to logic or observations contrary to their preconceived notions.

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    DougS

    I think that you’re misreading the situation here Jo!

    Closer inspection will reveal that the white stuff is actually polar bear fur, blown from the corpses of the poor burned up creatures and carried on the, now very common, hot Arctic winds.

    All due to CAGW!

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    Speedy

    If the ABC was Relevant Pt 25.
    (The Merchant of Doom.)

    Bryan: Greens Senator Christine Milne, welcome to the program.

    John: Cheers Bryan.

    Bryan: Senator Milne, what is your reaction to the Gillard government’s proposed flood levy?

    John: Disappointed Bryan. Bitterly disappointed.

    Bryan: You mean at a government’s cynical and opportunistic tax grab to prop up a wasteful and popularist agenda?

    John: Quite the opposite Bryan. The Flood Levy is a sorry saga of lost opportunities.

    Bryan: Including the opportunity to trim wasteful government spending and deliver value to the Australian taxpayer?

    John: No Bryan. Delivering value to the Australian taxpayer is not Greens policy.

    Bryan: Pardon?

    John: Delivering value to the Australian taxpayer is not Greens policy.

    Bryan: Why not?

    John: Because delivering value to the Australian taxpayer is almost as bad giving people money Bryan.

    Bryan: What’s wrong with that?

    John: [Exasperated.] Because if you give people money, Bryan, next thing you know, they’ll be spending it – on things!

    Bryan: But don’t people need things?

    John: Allow us to be the judge of that Bryan.

    Bryan: What’s wrong with “things”?

    John: The Environment, Bryan. The Environment. “Things” require other things to make them. And even other things to package, deliver and distribute those things. Whereas government spending is almost always environmentally neutral.

    Bryan: How come? Don’t governments spend money on things as well?

    John: Sometimes Bryan. But we get it right most of the time.

    Bryan: Then what does government spend money on?

    John: Invest, Bryan. Invest. Governments invest. In policies, initiatives, forums, programs, enquiries, reports and commissions. None of which produce any thing.

    Bryan: That’s terribly unproductive.

    John: Thank you Bryan.

    Bryan: ???

    John: But the very last programs that this government should be slashing are the greenhouse initiatives.

    Bryan: Why?

    John: Because it was global warming that caused the floods in the first place Bryan.

    Bryan: So no global warming, no floods?

    John: The floods were caused by global warming.

    Bryan: How? What’s the connection?

    John: Scientists believe that man-made greenhouse emissions are causing significant and harmful warming of the planet. Higher temperatures increase the rate of evaporation. More evaporation means a more humid atmosphere. More humidity means more rainfall. More rainfall means more flooding. QED Bryan.

    Bryan: But doesn’t global warming cause drought? Tim Flannery, the BOM and the CSIRO et al all say so…

    John: And they are absolutely right Bryan. Which is why governments have invested in desalination plants instead of water catchment dams.

    Bryan: So global warming causes both drought and flood?

    John: Yes Bryan. It’s worse than we thought.

    Bryan: How does it do that Senator?

    John: Scientists believe that man-made greenhouse emissions are causing significant and harmful warming of the planet. Higher temperatures increase the rate of evaporation. More evaporation means a drier landscape. A drier landscape means drought. QED Bryan.

    Bryan: So global warming causes both floods and drought?

    John: I’ve already told you so Bryan.

    Bryan: So there’s no chance that the rain can occur during a drought?

    John: Of course not Bryan – it wouldn’t be a drought then, would it?

    Bryan: But what happens when it’s not flooding or droughting Senator?

    John: If man continues to recklessly emit dangerous levels of greenhouse gases, then floods and droughts will become commonplace. And what we now know as “average” climate will be a novel and exciting event. And this novelty will itself generate a fresh hazard.

    Bryan: A fresh hazard?

    John: Yes Bryan. It’s called DNC.

    Bryan: DNC?

    John: Dangerously Normal Climate. Which is a direct result of global warming.

    Bryan: How can normal climate be considered dangerous?

    John: Consider this scenario Bryan. In the course of a perfectly commonplace drought, a dangerously normal shower of rain occurs. Since it’s not a flooding rain, you neglect to dress appropriately. You go outside, get wet, catch a cold, and die. This is typical of the tragedy that could be repeated millions of times each year in the eastern states alone.

    Bryan: That sounds serious.

    John: It is Bryan. Which is why we must take urgent action now.

    Bryan: So what is being done to combat DNC?

    John: Even as we speak, Bryan, top scientists at Our CSIRO are preparing a robust and definitive report, clearly demonstrating the potential for conclusive links that could connect man-made CO2 emissions to Dangerously Normal Climate.

    Bryan: And when did the CSIRO first become aware of this new and deadly threat to our very existence?

    John: Just as soon as I tell them Bryan. Lend us a phone?

    Cheers,

    Speedy

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      janama

      good to see you back in form Speedy :)

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      MemoryVault

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      Gave it a well-deserved thumbs-up Speedy, because it was so funny.

      And yet, it was so close to the truth, it was depressing.

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        Truthseeker

        MV, there is a Russian saying which approximately translates to …

        A good joke is 10% joke and 90% true …

        Depressing with humour – very Russian.

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    Tatum

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=l0JsdSDa_bM

    (The title of the video: Climate Denial Crock of the Week- “It’s cold. So there’s no Climate Change”) CTS

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    SMH gets its foreign affairs/political editor to write apiece on climate whatever Kiribas reps in the gallery etc.Doom imminent ! Raise the door bridge ! Hartcher is respectable,but to give him authority on this issue is an attempt by SMH to give some gravitas to it.The paper itself is destined for nothingness in the near future.

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    Andrew

    Jo, having been to Perth in May you may well break the snow drought. If we have any more global warming, it will snow on St George’s Tce this July.

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    handjive

    Good news everyone!

    Mon Jun 3, 2013: SA gets drought breaking rains-

    Some pastoralists in South Australia’s north are reporting drought breaking rains and the best start to winter for several decades.
    “Hopefully it means some winter feed that we just haven’t had for quite a number of years. 1995 was the last time we had anything like this.

    But Wait!

    Tue Jun 4, 2013: The science behind South Australia’s rain.

    “While South Australia’s farmers are still basking in the happiness of last weekend’s rain, climatologists haven’t stopped talking about it either.

    Dr Peter McIntosh research scientist with the CSIRO Marine Research says it was a unique weather system that you don’t see every year.”
    .
    What chance they factored that into the Climate Commission Critical Decade failed climate models?

    Obviously not.

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      Dr Peter McIntosh research scientist with the CSIRO Marine Research says it was a unique weather system that you don’t see every year.”

      True, we don’t see them every year BUT UNIQUE THEY ARE NOT.
      Just like we experience changes in weather due to the El Nino La Nina phenomena of the Pacific Ocean, we will experience weather changes dur to a similar phenomena of the Indian Ocean (Every ocean basin produce these types of phenomena).

      The Indian Ocean Dipole (IOD) seems finally to be trending negative. That means warm waters off the coast of WA and cooler waters towards Africa. That means WA will get lots of easterly moving cloud blowing in.
      All this means plenty of rain this winter/spring in much of WA SA and most of Vic and SNSW and even at times in NNSW and QLD.

      Couple all this with the approaching La Nina (late spring to early summer) floods floods and more floods I’m afraid.

      If only our moronic pollies had built a half dozen dams, we’d be drought proof for decades to come with the cheapest water in the world.

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      Tim

      Dr Peter McIntosh research scientist with the CSIRO Marine Research says it was a unique weather system that you don’t see every year.”

      ‘Unique Weather System’. Beautiful. Watch for UWS to become another rubbery pseudonym in the climate change propaganda dictionary. How could their Propaganda Relations guys have missed that one? It means exactly what you want it to mean – as in ‘Climate Change’.

      Bet their patent attorneys are onto it right now; along with DNC, of course, Speedy.

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      Annie

      If it was unique it was a one-off…end of story. If it wasn’t a one-off though not seen every year, it was not unique!

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    handjive

    Climate Refuge

    Scientists are in awe after discovering a Queensland lake that has barely been affected by changes in climate for 7,000 years.

    The researchers from Adelaide and Queensland were studying how freshwater systems respond to drought when they made the discovery at the Blue Lake on North Stradbroke Island.
    .
    Do we need another graph showing carbon dioxide levels?

    Isn’t it obvious by now?

    Carbon dioxide is not a driver of climate.

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    Dennis

    The end is nigh, 99.5% of snow scientists have voted that warm snow is going to swamp the planet

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      MemoryVault

      .
      Don’t laugh – it’s snowing in Cape Town, South Africa, as we speak.
      Capetown is classified as sub-tropical – like SE Queensland, and right on the coast, like Brisabne.

      .
      Well, okay, go ahead and laugh.

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        janama

        Capetown is in the same latitude as Sydney MV… S33.55- SE Queensland is S27.55.
        It snows on the Blue Mountains west of Sydney also.

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          MemoryVault

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          I know where it is, Janama.

          The article linked to in the last thread stated there was snow and ice at the Capetown Marina.
          When we get reports that it is snowing at the Opera House, you’ll have a valid point.

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            Dennis

            Snow will not fall on the Opera House when it is under water as Flannery has predicted

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            Andrew McRae

            Using a cave stalagmite at 40°S in New Zealand, the last LIA was coldest around the year 1650. This is before white settlement in Australia. Given that snow will melt without trace there seems little hope of proxy records of snow in Australia.

            Which means the Aboriginals formerly of the Paramatta river mouth would be the only ones who might know through oral tradition of whether it ever snowed in Sydney in 1650.

            So you see we can blame the eradication of the Aborigines on the warmists of 1788 who were simply destroying evidence of past climate change as usual. ;)

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    Ace

    The sport of skiing was invented by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle.

    Most people are surprised to learn that. I was.

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      janama

      I am surprised to hear that Ace.

      “The oldest and most accurately documented evidence of skiing origins is found in modern day Norway and Sweden. The earliest primitive carvings circa 5000 B.C”…..wiki

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    janama

    It also say:

    ” The first recreational ski club was formed in 1861 at Kiandra, Australia,[7] where the first documented international downhill carnival was also held”

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      Andrew McRae

      Oh you’re just rubbing it in now, Janama.

      Now waiting for Janama to post a link to a paper from 1893 titled “How I Ripped Off Both The Norwegians and The Australians to Take Credit for Inventing The Sport Of Skiing When All I Really Did Was Promote a Swiss Skiing Industry.”, author one Arthur C Doyle. ;)

      He was also able to find some local skiers, the Branger brothers. The brothers had been practicing skiing for about a year before Conan Doyle’s arrival. … Conan Doyle was able to keep up with the more experienced skiers, but it was a challenging climb for him.

      Yes, I was amazed to learn this too.

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    Sonny

    Nice one Jo!
    As Homer Simpson once said, “hey lisa looks like tomorrow ill be shovelling 6ft of global warming”.
    What Lisa responds afterward is simply a result of her bookish brainwashed school learnings

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      Ace

      Lisa Simpson reminds me of my sister. Always full of bright spark glibbery and grammar-school-intellectual crap. She had a terrible propensity for giving near disastrous “advice” I say nearly because I guess I learned to ignore it. I havent seen the silly moo since 1976. Last contact circa 1988. I was beginning to believe I had imagined the whole thing. After much searching I discovered she did in fact exist, even where she works. Best left alone like a long buried unexploded bomb. Then on my 50th birthday it turned out the fecking cow had searched me up as well and sent me an E-mail.

      She never got a reply.

      She lives in Sydney. Better stay there.

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        Yonniestone

        Hey Ace I can go one better,
        My youngest sister once worked for the Australian department of climate change! and once made the mistake of taking me to task over my “denial”
        Needless to say after my response lets just say there has been very little contact since, I have never suffered fools gladly no matter who and you have to live with your decisions in life like everyone else.
        I think everyone has a little FTW in them. :)

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          crakar24

          Isnt life funny i have a sister that lives Ballarat (Drummond?)and we have spoken once in many years must be the bloody cold weather.

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            Yonniestone

            Is it near Daylesford? yes it gets very cold in the hills there, very beautiful though and not uncommon for snow sometimes.
            I think I told KK of the coldest day I worked was in Daylesford a high of 0.5c for the day and a wind chill much lower.
            My hands froze up and I almost pissed myself as I couldn’t undo my pants!

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              MemoryVault

              .
              I have a sister who works as a consultant to the Dept of Climate Change (both the “old” version, and the “new” name-change version).

              She “advises” them on all the stuff they can’t do themselves – you know – really complex stuff, like setting up Excel Spreadsheets, establishing a basic document control system, and setting up Outlook Calendar to handle bookings of conference rooms. Really serious stuff like that.

              On average she makes around $140,000.00 a year part-time. Best of all (for her) they are not happy with her doing it on her lap top from home, but insist she fly to Canberra (business class from WA), to complete her assignments. She and her husband manage a very nice overseas holiday every year on the frequent flyer points.

              .
              So don’t despair. Your taxpayer dollars really are accomplishing something for somebody, somewhere.

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                Yonniestone

                Thanks MV, that really puts my mind at ease, I mean they couldn’t be paid that much without doing something really important like saving the planet or making us realize how much of a burden we are on Gaia and should not exist.
                Yes Gaia bless them all, oh I forgot to mention my very dry sense of humor ;)

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          Ace

          I had a friend that happened with. He was a friend for some years. Then having graduated in “computer science” he thought that meant he had studied science and was a scientist, which sequed with his suddenly earning huge wonga as a part-time consultant, filling his head with grandiosity. This hyper-inflated balloon of pomposity became insufferably arrogant and full of himself, but basically was still a group-lead airhead incapable of independent thought. His purpose in life was attacking the “system” that had made him (in both senses) and environmentalism was a cornerstone of that. Finally I just wrote him a very long piss-off note countering his eco-assumptions. Some years later I got a message. Was I still on that e-mail address? “Yes…” I responded, was he “… still an environmentalist $%^&^&*?”

          The difference in this case is that a lot has changed on the Green Front since then and I DO intend to communicate with him some time hence. I want to find out if hes still as cock-sure of himself and his cronies and their dogmas.

          Its a sad story, because he was a good lad who I owed thanks for helping me “back in he day” before he turned into a Stepford Wife of the Green Gang. I hope one day to find he has shrugged off the spell he was under.

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            Yonniestone

            Ace it’s a strange thing the way some people change,
            without getting into a Theology debate I believe some people have or develop a need for purpose out of fear or big questions on life in general.
            And a way to do it is through religion, cults, activist groups and to a lesser degree clubs, hobbies, pastimes, I suppose everyone could fall into any one of these categories but some people will always be that more zealous or extreme in their efforts to excel to ease their minds, maybe without these outlets we would have more serial killers or politicians ;)
            Either way here I am after midnight taking to people I don’t know about the problems of the world, and as much as I can say I’ll sleep well with a clear conscience so will the others we disagree so vigorously with.

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    Wastrel

    Global instability in the weather is a sign of change. The globe is not going to heat up evenly. Excessive heat in one part of the world may be matched by excessive cold in another part as the unstable conditions brought about by sudden change equalize out. Those of you who think that “global warming” means that a large and complex system like the Earth is going to heat up like a pot of water on a stove are merely simplistic non-thinkers.

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      Global instability in the weather is a sign of change.

      What does that even mean? What “global instability” are you talking about. Give us some examples of this instability. In fact, give us some examples of past stability and show how that’s changed.

      The globe is not going to heat up evenly.

      No shit sherlock. However your problem is, the globe hasn’t “heated up” at all.

      Excessive heat in one part of the world may be matched by excessive cold in another part as the unstable conditions brought about by sudden change equalize out.

      What does that gobbledegook even mean? What unstable conditions? How are they “unstable”? Give examples of past “stability” and how it changed to “instability”.
      And what is this ‘sudden change’ you talk of? What has it changed from and what has it changed to?

      One thing you are right about though. That is, when there is an extreme heat event in one region of the globe, IT IS ALWAYS BALANCED OUT BY REDUCED WARMTH IN OTHER REGIONS.
      That’s how the gas medium we live in works.

      I love it how these brainless consensus lemmings read some propaganda on an alarmist site and repeat it like monkeys all the while not understanding a thing about what they’re repeating.

      Here’s some advice lemming. Don’t go for PROPAGANDA, go for PROPER GANDER. Have a good look, think, use logic and reason. Do your own research and never ever believe self styled ‘experts’ with agendas and self-interest in any field, especially if they’re working for the UN or the EU or any of the multi-millionaire pseudo-environmental conglomorates such as WWF, Greenpeace, Environmental Defense Fund etc

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      handjive

      Quote: Wastrel
      June 5, 2013 at 1:24 am

      “Those of you who think that “global warming” means that a large and complex system like the Earth is going to heat up like a pot of water on a stove are merely simplistic non-thinkers.”
      .
      Simplistic Non-Thinkers.

      The perfect description of all the global warming alarmists who used the frog in boiling water analogy for Armageddon Global Warming.

      That would have been you, Wastrel?

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        MemoryVault

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        Forget it Baa and Handjive,

        There is a vast gulf between simply being ill-informed, and being outright dumbass stupid.
        Wastrel, regrettably, is very much a case of the latter.

        .
        There is no known remedy for outright dumbass stupid.

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      Sonny

      Wastrel.

      I’ve been on this forum for some years. In that time I have seen some incredibly stupid posts.
      Your one without doubt takes the cake.

      “Global instability in the weather is a sign of change.”

      Point to a time in the earths history when the climate has been stable? Ancient civilisations lived and died out based on global instability in the weather. Floods, famines, pestilence, drought, ice ages. All these things happened irrespective of what men did.

      “The globe is not going to heat up evenly. Excessive heat in one part of the world may be matched by excessive cold in another part as the unstable conditions brought about by sudden change equalize out.”

      This is utter shit. Global warming projections from the IPCC are for a rise in the spatially averaged temperature across the world. AVERAGE GLOBAL TEMPERATURE.
      Get it?

      “Those of you who think that “global warming” means that a large and complex system like the Earth is going to heat up like a pot of water on a stove are merely simplistic non-thinkers.”

      That is EXACTLY what the climate alarmists imagine. The models assume that there are positive feedback a in the system and that increased CO2, will trap more heat from the sun, which in turn will cause more WATER to evaporate. Water, being a greenhouse gas then causes threefold warming on top of that caused by the CO2 alone.
      It is this ridiculous assumption about the positive feedback of water which is behind all the scary climate models.
      What has happened is that you have bought into a lot of pseudo scientific propoganda – terms like “instability”, “tipping point”, “fragile earth”, “sustainability”.

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    Steven UK

    Flashback to 2006


    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6185345.stm

    “Many believe global warming is to blame for the lack of snow.”

    Ah yes, the very scientific notion of belief. Anyway, it continues;

    “The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development warned that many low-level resorts could soon be unviable [sic] and predicted warmer temperatures in the future.”

    Warmer temperatures since 2006? How’s that working out?

    And in the same article a BBC minion reports from Moscow.

    “Nobody knows what to make of it. This is the middle of December in a country known for the severity of its winters. There’s not a snowflake to be seen. Red Square should be covered in white by now. It’s not. Its cobblestones are as stubbornly damp and grey as the skies overhead… People selling thick woollen socks and mittens outside the Russian capital’s metro stations are suffering a dramatic drop in trade.”

    Fast forward six years.

    http://news.sky.com/story/1018261/moscow-hit-by-biggest-snowfall-in-50-years

    “Moscow has been blanketed by the biggest November snowfall in 50 years, disrupting flights and causing havoc on the roads… Michel Jarraud, the chief of the WMO, said: “Climate change is taking place before our eyes and will continue to do so.”"

    I think I get it now.

    No snow = Global warming
    Too much snow = Climate Change

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    It might be good news for skiers able to take a weekend away or a sudden holiday, but a disaster for the Alpine tourist industry in general. This is the start of the summer season, and snow on the high slopes mean cooler weather than normal on the lower slopes. So less people will be taking late deals to the Alps, maybe more to Spain or Southern Italy instead.

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    Joe V.

    Ed ‘Boy’ Davey , UK Climate Change Minister falls for Cartoon Boy’s ‘Scientific’ survey, hook , line & sinker, citing it to real scientists at the London Institute of Physics.

    In a speech at London’s Institute of Physics, he said they ['dangerous' climate sceptics] had ignored a recent survey that suggests 97 per cent of experts agree on the human link to global warming.
    ‘Just three per cent question man’s contribution. Three per cent,’ he said.
    ‘Let me quantify that for you.
    If this was a general election vote, 97 per cent of the vote would generate 630 MPs, the three per cent just 20…’

    Would that be why the only UK party with a credible Energy policy polled 28 % of the vote in the most recent Eastleigh Bye Election , while Davey’s mainstream party could only manage 32% ?

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      Sonny

      The fact that he has to “quantify” 3% for a group full of scientists is hilarious.

      I bet he thought that he was being really smart too!

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    CourtroomWolf

    It snowed somewhere, so global warming is a lie. Also, you’d need some sort of huge ice sheet melting and cooling the north Atlantic to cause weather like this in Europe. This, of course, is ridiculous. To buy into this global warming stuff is to create a sustainable renewable energy infrastructure that doesn’t depend on fossil fuels that heavily pollutes the environment, and that doesn’t prop up theocratic dictatorships in the middle east… all of that for nothing!

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    Let’s hope this return to an LIA will have an L too …

    Pointman

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    handjive

    EPIC FAIL:
    73 Climate Models vs. Observations for Tropical Tropospheric Temperature
    June 4th, 2013 by Roy W. Spencer, Ph. D.

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      Ian Hill

      It’s interesting that the black line (the mean of all 73 models starting in 1980) predicted the 2013 observations to occur in 1987. Even the model closest to reality predicted that to occur in 2000.

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    RoHa

    I bet the Warmists are piste off about this.

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    Ace

    Well at least they arent tearing up the G10 summit. The Chinese duo organising the protests kept it peaceful, two Wongs dont make a riot.

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    crakar24

    I am surprised the number is so high (+0.07C)

    http://www.drroyspencer.com/latest-global-temperatures/

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    pat

    another hint the game is up!

    JP Morgan sells EcoSecurities to Mercuria: sources
    LONDON, June 4 (Reuters Point Carbon) – JP Morgan has sold emission reduction project developer EcoSecurities to Swiss-based trading house Mercuria, sources close to the deal said Tuesday, bringing an end to the bank’s interest in originating carbon credits…
    http://www.pointcarbon.com/news/1.2401344

    a hint of sanity?

    UK lawmakers reject tough CO2 cut target for power sector
    LONDON, June 4 (Reuters) – British lawmakers on Tuesday rejected an amendment to the UK coalition government’s Energy Bill which would have locked the power sector into tough carbon cuts from 2014, two years earlier than planned, and limited new gas plants being built after 2020…
    http://www.pointcarbon.com/news/reutersnews/1.2401992?&ref=searchlist

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    pat

    with big Insurance companies well represented at the Bilderberg meeting in Watford, England, this week, no doubt this will be on their agenda!

    5 June: Bloomberg: Avery Fellow: Billion-Dollar Decisions Held up by Poor Use of Climate Data, Insurers Say
    Companies need better tools to analyze climate change data in order to use that information to make business decisions, scientists and insurance industry representatives said June 3.
    Approximately 15 petabytes of climate data, or 15 million gigabytes, now exist worldwide, primarily from government agencies and academic institutions, said Sharon Hays, vice president of science and engineering at Computer Sciences Corp. The volume of climate data is expected to grow to 350 petabytes by 2030, she said. Hays was speaking at a workshop on climate information needs for financial decision-making held by the American Meteorological Society…
    But the data is largely unused except by scientists, Hays said…
    The information has the potential to drive billion-dollar decisions in commodities trading, insurance, infrastructure, manufacturing, construction, and other industries, Hays said…
    Climate change may also disrupt the $15 trillion manufacturing sector, or the $872 billion construction sector, she said. The energy sector is highly sensitive to climate and weather impacts as well, Hays said…
    “There has to be collective groundswell to make it safe and comfortable to talk about these things,” she said. Computer Sciences Corp. is working to develop tools to analyze climate data, and she said there is significantly more opportunity in this space…
    Insurance companies are actively looking for more detailed weather and climate data to help make decisions, said Kyle Beatty, senior vice president for business solutions at Atmospheric and Environmental Research (AER). Property and casualty insurance companies have asked AER and 11 other companies to conduct research on tornado and hail frequency in Canada and the United States, Beatty said.
    Since the 1980s, there are fewer days annually on which tornadoes occur, but on the days that tornadoes do occur, they are “explosive and catastrophic,” Beatty said. The group is finding that the risk is changing, he said. “Large tornado outbreaks are becoming the norm,” he said. The roundtable is documenting these changing risks for the property and casualty insurance market, he said.
    The research will be used to develop risk assessment tools to help insurance companies set premiums and make other decisions, Beatty said…
    Current property insurance premiums in places such as low-lying coastlines do not adequately reflect risk, Patton (chief climate product officer for Zurich Financial Services) said. “Our industry hasn’t figured out the trick to get people to stop building in really risky places,” she said. The current insurance system essentially encourages people to continue building in vulnerable places, she said. More data on the economic impacts of climate change might bring behavioral change, she said.
    But even without considering climate change impacts, infrastructure, buildings, and cities are not resilient enough, Patton said. “In the absence of climate change, we have a problem to be addressed in terms of asset resilience,” she said…
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-06-04/billion-dollar-decisions-held-up-by-poor-use-of-climate-data-insurers-say.html

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    pat

    MSM’s preemptive strikes fail!

    5 June: SMH: China rejects early carbon cap
    China’s Chief Climate Negotiator Su Wei reaffirmed his nation’s commitment to lower emissions relative to economic output while dismissing reports that it will adopt an absolute cap on greenhouse gases.
    The Financial Times and Independent newspapers both said last month that China is looking to introduce a cap in 2016…
    “What I have seen so far is speculation in the press, but I haven’t seen China really coming out and saying it,” Artur Runge-Metzger, the European Commission’s lead envoy at the talks, said in an interview…
    http://www.smh.com.au/business/carbon-economy/china-rejects-early-carbon-cap-20130605-2np1u.html

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    pat

    5 June: Times of India: Nitin Sethi: Up in smoke: Carbon credit trade past its sell-by date?
    Carbon prices in international markets are at their lowest in a decade. Projects, especially in India and China, two major suppliers of carbon credits, are writing off expected revenues. Carbon trade, touted as the emission trading scheme that’d cheaply reduce emissions bringing green technologies within the financial reach of poorer countries, is at a near-collapse.
    Worse, the logic of carbon-credit trading — that it’s a cheap way emission reduction — is under scrutiny. Many claim it has resulted in private players gaining funds, doing little…
    But today, carbon credits are trading at an all-time low as carbon price in the EU — main buyer of credits — has hit rock bottom. The EU political class has refused to back a measure that could pull prices up. Chandra Bhushan, deputy DG of CSE says: “EU has set such low targets for the next phase of emission reduction between 2012 and 2020 that their industry can achieve these targets on their own. They won’t need to buy too many credits. The prices are going to remain low.” the EU has decided its industry can buy credits only from least developed countries (LDCs)…
    TERI’s Prodipto Ghosh says the world must fix a floor price for carbon through a stabilisation fund. But Bhushan believes this would allow private businesses to earn using public resources with little real emission reduction…
    There’s talk of new market-driven schemes to cut emissions. It will take two years more to find out if the new schemes also end up cutting corners more than emissions.
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/environment/global-warming/Up-in-smoke-Carbon-credit-trade-past-its-sell-by-date/articleshow/20436219.cms

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    pat

    this is too funny not to post:

    4 June: Dominion Post: Fairfax NZ: Michael Berry: Bill McKibben: Climate expert explains cost of fossil fuel future
    A “climate change rockstar” is coming to New Zealand to outline how unsustainable fossil fuels are with cold, hard math…
    He is rolling out his “Do The Maths” tour in Auckland, Dunedin and Wellington between June 11 and 13.
    Despite Christchurch not making his schedule, former mayor Vicki Buck managed to organise a live stream from the Auckland event on June 11, with 350.org the climate change action advocate that is hosting McKibben’s tour.
    She arranged for the live stream to play, free to all, from 7pm at the Jack Mann Auditorium at University of Canterbury through the Unlimited School, which is temporarily based at the university.
    Buck writes the climate change blog Celsias.
    The voluntary Ministry of Awesome, which she helped set up, is helping spread word of the event in the city.
    McKibben was a “rockstar of the climate change world”, albeit an unlikely and quite studious one, she said…
    “We’re at the point where we all realise that if we’re going to wait for governments to take action on climate change we’re doomed,” he (McKibben) said
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/8752390/Climate-expert-explains-cost-of-fossil-fuel-future

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    handjive

    World Environment Day

    Today, June 5 2013 is World Environment Day
    .
    A welcome opportunity to post this relevant link:

    Fifteen Foolish Forecasts: How did environmentalists get it so wrong on Earth Day 1970?
    .
    “Today, World Environment Day, the eco-wackos will surely get their day moment in the spotlight and their soundbites on the nightly news.

    They’ll predict a future even grimmer than they predicted 41 years ago.

    And they’ll be just as wrong 41 years from now.”

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      Angry

      Our household will celebrate this bs “world environment day” by switching on ALL of our electrical appliances and lighting…….

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    Andrew McRae

    ABC still supportive of the Dear Leader…

    One of Kevin Rudd’s key supporters has likened the Labor Party’s electoral woes to the final moments of the Titanic.

    The MP has denied there is any chance of a comeback by the former prime minister, and has attributed recent criticism of Julia Gillard to general “crankiness” within the party.

    A very astute political commentator is General Crankiness. I look forward to more confessions of Labor ineptitude from General Crankiness and Major Pain and Captain Obvious!
    :D

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      Titanic Labor, as with the original Titanic, is sinking bow first.

      Captain Gillard, still valiantly on the Bridge, rings the engine room and ask for “All Ahead Full”.

      Trouble is the props are out of the water.

      Tony.

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        Graeme No.3

        Tony:
        let’s see;

        Both were gigantic constructions designed to change the way people lived.
        Both were planned on wrong assumptions.
        Both were steered recklessly.
        Both suffered from back room interference (Ismay, Board Chairman).
        Both were holed because the climate changed from the predicted warm, sunny climes.
        Both ended with those who could taking to the lifeboats.
        Both disasters caused death and much suffering.

        But the Titanic went down with the original Captain, so unless Rudd makes a very fast comeback your analogy is a little strained. Or are you alluding to belief in Global Warming?

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        Andrew McRae

        The CEC has developed the art of trolling TonyFromOz to a high standard.
        Almost 4 million Australian homes now powered by renewable energy [breathe, Tony, breathe!]
        More like 4 million homes 30% powered by renewables.

        “Renewable energy is one of the cheapest forms of electricity generation and that’s going to continue to fall over the coming decades and soon will be the cheapest form of electricity generation available to Australia,”

        When the cost of installation can buy less coal grid power than the panels and windmills will actually generate, THEN I’ll believe it.

        So cheap you need to force non-customers to pay for it!

        Now why is it we’re being told the renewables are CHEAP? It was never about being cheap! We were supposed to be SAVING THE PLANET from DERDY energy by switching to CLEAN energy. Now the tagline isn’t CLEAN it is now CHEAP.
        Don’t suppose that’s because the entire Carbon Dioxide Evilness Scam is collapsing and the renewable lobby needs their fascist QUANGO bureaucrats to go frontrunning a new sales pitch?
        Nah, couldn’t be.

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          Dennis

          The electorate of Lyne and Jokeshotte territory, his maate the mayor of Port Macquarie, and one term state MP who took over from the Joke, this week announced a $500K exciting solar panel investment set to save Council $37K a year. Many astute commentators in the local Port News have noted that the cost will be in electricity bills sent to ratepayers who do not have solar, including businesses. It was also pointed out that by the time the savings exceed the outlay it will be time to replace the solar panels. In short a high cost with no benefit analysis provided to Council by voters at no expense. Council would have saved much more if only the grid had continued to be accessed fully.

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          Cheap!

          Oh, nyuk nyuk nyuk!

          South Australia has the highest concentration of Wind Plants in Australia.

          Note the cost for Monday 03Jun2013, two days back.

          Wind Power with a Nameplate Capacity of 42% of the State’s total Nameplate, and almost 70% of Actual Demand compared to Nameplate actually provided 1.1% of that demanded power for the 15 hours when it was needed most, 7AM until 10PM.

          600 towers, barely 10 of them turning, mostly down around 5 and for extended periods none of them turning at all ….. for 15 hours

          Cheap?? More like totally useless.

          Tony.

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            Interesting Tony, not surprising and not unexpected given the complete stupidity of our age, but what do the three Eskimos have to do with it?

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          They could sell bibles to the Taliban these cretins.

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    Angry

    The following web site is a great reference of all the bs predicted by this global warming FRAUD……

    A complete list of things caused by global warming:-

    http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm

    Enjoy !

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    Xtro

    Apparently the cold sweeping though Europe is due to the increasingly meandering polar jet stream the instability of which is linked with the warming arctic… the yearly summer melt season at the north pole shows an exponential fall off in sea ice extent over the last few decades accelerating drastically since 2007 and far quicker than any AGW alarmist predictions including that years IPCC report.

    It was fascinating watching the arctic blogs as they tracked last year’s historic melt season and this year is no exception. You can blame it on AGW or natural climatic variability or both (worst case scenario) … but it’s happening here and now and it’s amazing.

    http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm

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      Sonny

      why is it that global warming is now measured in terms of sea ice extent in the North Pole?

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        Xtro

        Dunno, it’s one measurement given that ‘climate science’ is multidisciplinary. GW is also measured in palaeontology, marine sciences, atmospheric sciences etc. All I know is that the arctic summer sea ice extent has been collapsing (with or without AGW) and it’s fascinating to watch.

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    Hasbeen

    So now we know where all that Arctic ice has gone.

    It did not melt at all, just went on holidays, to the south of France

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    Dennis

    Solar and wind turbines, an extreme Green fantasy or a cunning plot to weaken developed world financial stability.

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