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Spot the conflict: GE owns NBC, the Weather channel and lots and lots of wind turbine factories

 

    +    …  .. =  “…news”?

 

Harold Ambler (Don’t Sell Your Coat) points to a conflict of interest that hadn’t hit my radar til now (golly):

“In the newspaper business, and other journalistic domains as well, fires are of note. Non-fires aren’t. Fair enough. But something very insidious has taken place. The selling of weather disasters as entertainment has led to a state in which big business stands to gain handsomely from the perception that the planet has gone meteorologically mad. Specifically, General Electric stands to profit. When in 2008 NBC (owned by General Electric) purchased The Weather Channel, an interesting thing took place: the largest domestic producer of wind turbines became the owner of the best-positioned purveyor of images of destructive weather. The same year, NBC’s Today Show continued its longstanding practice of “showing” the great destruction to the ocean-atmosphere system caused by manmade global warming, with story after story: fires, floods, melting Kilimanjaro, you name it. The rest of NBC News, and the Weather Channel, meanwhile, keep the same pieces of videotape on nearly infinite repeat.”

How “Green” is GE I wonder?

GE Australia explains that the company focus is so green they have a special word for it: “Ecomagination is GE’s business strategy to help meet customers’ demand for products that improve their bottom line and reduce their impact on the environment. This will also drive growth for GE that delivers for our investors.

How much money does GE make from green philosophies? I don’t know, but GE wind explains that their most widely used wind turbine has produced no less than 16,500 bird killing, bat chopping versions planted around the globe, though they don’t say it quite like that. They have big plans for it. Their “ecomagination commitments for 2010 – 2015″ are planned to “double R&D to $10 Billion…”  So that’s just $2 billion a year that GE will spend on green R & D for the next 5 years?

Remember, Exxon have been controlling this debate by funding deniers with a measly $2 million a year (which stopped years ago). It just puts things in perspective…

What else is part of the business plan? The media

“NBC Universal is GE’s media arm, which operates locally through CNBC, broadcasting relevant business news 24 hours a day, 7 days a week…” [From the GE Australian factsheet]

It puts a new tint on the phrase “business news” — is that news relevant to your business or mine? For the record, GE owns Universal Studios, Telemundo,  NBC Universal Global Networks (MSNBC, CNBC, NBC WeatherPlus, WeatherPlus, and WeatherChannel plus lots more.)

And who knows? GE is a huge multinational company, and I’ve seen no evidence that GE management makes any editorial demands about green articles, but then, there is no evidence that MSNBC, CNBC or the Weather Channel are reporting both sides of the climate change news either, is there? It’s a point to bring up next time someone tells you Big-Oil funded deniers control the debate.

Lately GE has sold some of NBC. Now, it’s only a 49% stake. Perhaps that’s alright then?

But when Gina owns 13% of Fairfax, it’s a national crisis, “Democracy is doomed”?

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Don’t Sell Your Coat by Harold Ambler

Thanks to Harold for sending me a copy, and for being so patient… :-)

A few weeks ago, “Don’t Sell Your Coat” was doing so well, it was topping the list of Climatology best sellers on Amazon (beating out Mann and co). Ambler is  a professional journalist, and very much the story teller, and it shows. The book is a smooth read that flows easily. It has beautiful sentence construction (and you’re wondering why I’d even mention that, but predictable sentences are a pet hate of mine).  Ambler works his craft with skill. I like it. Relaxing.

I’m a tough reviewer for skeptical books because only a few tell me something I don’t know, but Ambler’s had a new angle on several aspects of climate change (and info like the GE one above, why hadn’t I noticed that before?). I imagine many readers who would find something like Heaven and Earth too heavy would enjoy “Don’t Sell Your Coat”. It might make just the perfect gift for that slab of the population who would have happily read skeptical feature articles in their newspapers week after week if only the newspapers would run skeptical feature articles. For die-hard climate aficionado’s there are new ways to look at familiar things.

He has earned some great reviews on Amazon. Ambler also blogs and you can hear him discuss the book on radio and TV.

Buy the book on Amazon: Don’t Sell Your Coat: Surprising Truths About Climate Change.

 

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About Harold Ambler

Harold Ambler has been talking about weather and climate since he could first speak. He was educated at Dartmouth and Columbia and started his journalism career at The New Yorker. His work has appeared in The Wall Street Journal, The Huffington Post, The AtlanticWire, and wattsupwiththat.com, among others. He lives in Rhode Island. He wrote the very popular article Mr. Gore: Apology Accepted

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73 comments to Spot the conflict: GE owns NBC, the Weather channel and lots and lots of wind turbine factories

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    Jaymez

    Perhaps the purpose of buying the weather channel was to determine the best place to put wind turbines and maybe combine the turbines with little weather stations or cams?

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    Sean Peake

    I don’t use or watch anything that has GE’s fingerprints on it.

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    Peter Miller

    Don’t blame General Electric for profiting from the goofy whims of government.

    They are acting like any good business should by reacting to a demand artificially created by governments frantic to show their green credentials to largely disinterested electorates.

    The fact that wind power makes no economic sense whatsoever, is ugly, extremely expensive and very unreliable is irrelevant. Goofy governments created the demand and are only now beginning to see the folly of relying on wind power.

    General Electric will be philosophical when the trough of government largesse no longer overflows with grants and subsidies: “Well, it was good while it lasted, we had a good run. OK, it’s over, so what’s next?”

    Whatever it is, you can be sure the greenies will be there shrilly promoting the benefits of something unnecessary and hugely expensive like hydrogen cars and fuel cells

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    Many thanks to Jo for the kind words!! Ironically GE has sold The Weather Channel and NBC to Comcast as an updated version of the book will reflect by mid-June. Scaring the heck out of people remains good business, though, on so very many levels, and neither the Weather Channel nor NBC has backed away a single step from an all-terror, all-the-time position on climate.

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    pattoh

    This adds a new sinister slant to the “GE Finance” advertisements that were occasionally being shown on TV.

    Some people on their board & management really do take the world (market) out there as suckers

    ….and a new one comes along every minute.

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    reformed warmist of logan

    Well done Jo, (Yet again),
    If the ‘peace-nix’ in the last couple of decades have been saying that civilization as we know (pre-multi-atomic detonations) is at about five minutes to midnight, then surely this ‘Huxley-esque’ AGW. scam is at about 15 seconds to midnight!!
    “Holy Toledo Batman” … When will these ‘wanna-be’ ‘caped crusaders’ get it??!!
    We can’t save the planet by reducing emissions, when the causal link is the exact opposite of what they’ve been trying to tell us ad-nauseum. I.E. Overall heat in atmosphere goes up, and 600 years later the CO2 levels go up!!
    Furthermore, when will two of the most un-representative governances in the world (exc. of course China) i.e. the EU. and the UN. realise that they have become a laughing stock of the silent majority of thinking people in OECD. countries.
    The EU. will doubtless spend most of this year trying to fore-stall the inevittable, its slow dis-intergration (Greece, Portugal, Spain, Ireland etc. etc.); the UN. will spend most of this year trying to put an ever-more hollow-sounding positive spin on yet two more failed climate meets (Bonn last month & Doha in Nov.); and the corporate piranhas like GE. and Goldman Sachs et. al. are going to sooner or later go down with this sinking Titanic.
    Jo, please please keep up the good work.
    Regards, reformed warmist of Logan

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    mkelly

    Several months ago GE sold 51% of NBC/Universal to Comcast. So they are at minority owners.

    That does not detract from the point of article. GE even had/has GREEN WEEK on NBC.

    GE last year paid no taxes and that really bugs some folks in congress. Lest congress forget they wrote the tax code that allows GE to pay no taxes that year.

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    warcroft

    A few other things. . .
    The Fukushima plants were GE.
    GE are the ones pushing to shut down the coal fire plants.
    The proposed numerous nuclear plants to be built across America (when renewables fail as planned) are all GE.
    The banning of light bulbs (by 2013?) in America is pushed by GE. The only bulbs to be allowed, by law, are only manufactured by GE at about $30 each.
    The whole climate change thing is pushed by GE.

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    Cole Pritchard

    Hey Joanne!
    Great article it inspired me to do some digging into what I could find in Canada.

    Ever wonder why there is so much climate propaganda in the media and the coverage is so one sided? Here’s why:

    Spot the Conflict of interests.

    J.R. Shaw is chairman of the board for and owns the majority of shares in SHAW communications which owns:
    CFRE Regina • CFSK Saskatoon • CHAN Vancouver • CHBC Kelowna • CICT Calgary • CIHF Halifax • CIII Toronto • CISA Lethbridge • CITV Edmonton • CJBN Kenora • CKMI Montreal • CKND Winnipeg

    Cable television/ specialty channels
    Action • BBC Canada • Cable 141 • CPAC • DejaView • DIY Network • Food Network • Global Reality Channel • HGTV • Historia • History Television • IFC • MovieTime • Mystery TV • National Geographic Channel • Nat Geo Wild • Séries+ • Shaw PPV • Shaw TV1 • Showcase • Showcase Diva • Slice • The Cave • TVtropolis • Twist TV
    Shaw Broadcast Services • Shaw Business Solutions • Shaw Direct • Shaw Media • Shaw Rocket Fund • Shaw Tracking, Global News, Global national, and Corus Entertainment (Which runs most of the radio stations in Canada).

    J.R. Shaw is also a major investor in and chairman of the board for Suncor a major renewable energy company…

    Note the year he was elected to Suncors’ directors, and think back to when it really hit the news in Canada.

    http://www.globeinvestor.com/servlet/AppNoticeArticleHTMLTemplate?tf=GlobeInvestor%2FAppNotices%2FDisplayNotice.html&cf=GlobeInvestor%2FAppNotices%2Fconfig-neutral.cfg&slug=Shaw&date=20010503

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    GE and Jeffrey Immelt could be straight out of the pages of “Atlas Shrugged”. A once great company whoring itself to the government.

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    Kevin Moore

    When you look at the pyramid it seems that the Rothschids sit on top of it.
    This is a bit dated but you get the picture.

    http://www.rense.com/general90/media.htm

    There Were 88 Media Companies…
    Now There Are 6
    4-2-10

    These are the 6 media companies that exist today. There used to be 88. These 6 all get their news from Reuters and the Associated Press. Reuters owns the AP and Rothschilds own Reuters.

    The following information is in circulation on the net. The originating source is not known, nor have all the statements below been fully verified. However, the general overview provided appears to be accurate.

    GENERAL ELECTRIC ­ (donated 1.1 million to GW Bush for his 2000 election campaign)

    Television Holdings

    * NBC: includes 13 stations, 28% of US households.
    * NBC Network News: The Today Show, Nightly News with Tom Brokaw, Meet the Press, Dateline NBC, NBC News at Sunrise.
    * CNBC business television; MSNBC 24-hour cable and Internet news service (co-owned by NBC and Microsoft); Court TV (co-owned with Time Warner), Bravo (50%), A&E (25%), History Channel (25%).

    The “MS” in MSNBC means microsoft. The same Microsoft that donated 2.4 million to get GW bush elected.

    Other Holdings

    * GE Consumer Electronics.
    * GE Power Systems: produces turbines for nuclear reactors and power plants.
    * GE Plastics: produces military hardware and nuclear power equipment.
    * GE Transportation Systems: runs diesel and electric trains.

    Chart of who “owns” the Federal Reserve -

    http://www.save-a-patriot.org/files/view/whofed.html

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    MadJak

    Correct me if I am wrong here, but isn’t Laos still covered with GE product?

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    shotrox

    And don’t forget the massive GE Finance arm.
    I guess that GE might not only make money flogging wind turbines and all the rest, but they will also be able to spin a dollar or two trading the carbon market derivatives.
    A pity that the carbon trading markets, at least in the EU, already appear to have been ‘burnt’
    I wonder if the joke about selling refridgeration to eskimos was referring to a GE marketing strategy?

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    u.k.(us)

    Ummm,
    From:
    http://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/advisory-boards/jobs-council

    “President Obama has named Jeffrey Immelt as the chair of The President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness. Immelt is the ninth chairman of GE, a post he has held since September 7, 2001.”
    ——
    Bloomberg: 21 January 2011
    President Barack Obama named Jeffrey Immelt, General Electric Co.’s chief executive officer, to head his outside panel of economic advisers.
    =========
    Sorry if I have insulted anybody’s intelligence.

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    ED

    The nexus between GE,the White House, and green energy was exposed two years ago by Glenn Beck.

    [For the record, this ED is not me the moderator ED] ED

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    ALAN

    Magic, exspecially when considered against the refusal to allow Gina Rinehart a seat on the Fairfax board

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    GE – Pure as the driven snow.

    GE – A finger in every pie.

    Large scale Wind turbines, now working on the possibility of manufacturing wind turbines in the 10 to 15MW range, current large turbines around 5.5MW and most economical average around 3.5MW.

    Large scale Nuclear power plants from reactors to steam generators to turbines to generators.

    Large scale generators capable only to be run by Nukes and, er, large scale coal fired power plants. (Umm! CO2 emitting)

    Large scale turbines for Natural gas fired plants, both for short run time Peaking power applications and full time run large scale Natural Gas plants with their F series turbines and H series turbines, best used for large scale Natural gas fired power plants up to a single unit with up to 500MW generator attached. (Umm! CO2 emitting)

    Large scale producer of jet turbines for military and commercial aircraft.

    It’s sort of like covering all the bases eh!

    Tony.

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    Bob in Castlemaine

    In March this year Alan Kohler interviewed GE Vice Chairman John Rice on Inside Business.

    ALAN KOHLER: What do you think of Australia’s decision to impose a $23 per tonne carbon tax on July 1?

    JOHN RICE: Look, I think that ends up being a market, a kind of a market thing. I applaud the Australian Government for having the courage to go through with it because I think over the long run the world is going to be better served, if there is a cost associated with the production of carbon.
    And whether it’s a tax or some kind of a parading mechanism that allocates resources toward the effort that goes into carbon reduction, the development of new technologies and things like that, we have believed for a long time that you have to have that.

    Some of GE’s business interests:-

    GE Energy – Wind Turbines

    GE Solar

    GE US cap-and-trade politics

    “Cap-and-trade also achieves the age-old Marxist goal of wealth redistribution through the back door. It does this by creating two classes: those with carbon permits, and those without. Companies like GE, which has positioned itself to take advantage of a cap-and-trade system, bidding for billions of dollars in federal contracts, will dominate the new America. On a side note, evidence has surfaced that GE misused its ownership of NBC to catapult Obama into the Presidency for financial gain. Is it any coincidence that GE execs went to CNBC headquarters to silence criticism of the President’s economic policies? What’s good for Obama is good for GE. Is what’s good for GE still good for America?”

    I understand GE has a 49% holding in NBC.

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    agwnonsense

    you can apply that whole theory to 9/11 ie,GE+MDC+the tame media = huge profits from the war nobody wants.

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    rukidding

    So how long will it be before GE wind turbines compensate for the CO2 their aero engines have been pumping into the atmosphere for the last 50 years.

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    John Kettlewell

    Yes, GE went all in with the euphoric atmosphere back in 2008; but, had lined up for several years. Immelt is undoubtedly an American left-winger. Also, as has been noted above, the incestuous relationship with the Administration. What was left unmentioned is GE’s hand in pushing for a Smart Grid and a portion of the electric car market via chargers.

    Business-wise, it was brilliant: Have a portion of every energy sector, yet push to your strengths, plus the ‘accessories’. It was full-steam ahead. The reality was that it felt like they were going to seriously “transform” these United States by pushing thru all legislation. The feeling was also of populist momentum, honestly it was all a bit scary. There was no pushback at all and the all-encompassing ‘racism’ hadn’t started yet; neither had the Tea Party movement. I can almost sense what the GE boardroom felt like, JACKPOT.

    In summary, GE was pushing it’s business covertly (they say they don’t tell news what to do, unknown about the other entertainment outlets they owned). They positioned themselves to make the most sought/required devices for the ‘green revolution’. Maybe they truly believe in CAGW and then it reinforced their all-in green strategy. Didn’t they move their CFL bulb factories to China? Or maybe it was someone else.

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    MattB

    I had always thought that the whole GE/NBC thing was just made up for jokes in 30 Rock!

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    pat

    31 May: MSNBC: Neha Chamaria: This Is Where General Electric Is Betting on Growth
    Is GE’s move to acquire a pair of mining equipment makers justified?
    Australia-based Industrea and Virginia-based Fairchild are the two mining equipment makers General Electric has plans of taking over. The megaconglomerate is certainly interested in pushing further into the mining market…
    Take the case of some of the major equipment makers, whose recent numbers are probably the best hint of how the mining equipment market is doing lately. Caterpillar’s mining business reported a staggering 73% jump in first-quarter sales, while Joy Global’s first-quarter sales climbed 21% on higher shipments. So high is the demand for mining equipment globally that at current capacity, Cat is quoting delivery times extending up to 2014 for some products…
    Industrea, in particular, which GE will buy for $700 million, has a strong foothold in one of the mining hot spots of the world — China. The nation is the biggest producer and consumer of coal in the world. An upswing in the demand for commodities has encouraged China to peg its 2015 coal output at 3.9 billion tonnes. That’s up more than 10% from 3.52 billion tonnes of coal produced last year…
    Australia, where Industrea is based, is coming up as a big market for mining. Sample this: Australia’s central bank feels the mining sector could soon be responsible for nearly half of the new jobs generated in the country!…
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/47635758/ns/business-motley_fool/

    nevertheless, there is little doubt our govt and the unions will continue the vicious attacks on our successful aussie miners – twiggy, gina and clive, while ignoring all the big foreign companies who are also making a killing out of the mining industry, here and elsewhere.

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    pat

    the piece is undated, but we know how well the Chicago Climate Exchange did!

    GreenChipStocks: Carbon Trading: The World’s Next Biggest Market
    Already, corporate behemoths like General Electric, DuPont, Johnson & Johnson, and others have come together to form the United States Climate Action Partnership.
    Even oil juggernauts like Shell, BP, and ConocoPhillips have joined this coalition, which calls itself “an expanding alliance of major businesses and leading climate and environmental groups that have come together to call on the federal government to enact legislation requiring significant reductions of greenhouse gas emissions.”…
    **The United States has a version of a carbon market as well. . .
    Established in 2003, the Chicago Climate Exchange (CCX) is one of North America’s only voluntary and legally binding greenhouse gas (GHG) reduction and trading systems
    http://www.greenchipstocks.com/report/carbon-trading-the-worlds-next-biggest-market/107

    such a CAGW-concerned membership:

    U.S. Climate Action Partnership (USCAP) Web Site
    http://www.us-cap.org/

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    pat

    the govt in action encouraging business during the global financial meltdown:

    1 June: SMH: AAP: Govt cautions business over carbon tax
    Climate Change Minister Greg Combet has warned that businesses which hike the cost of their goods under the guise of the carbon tax will be caught.
    “I heard about one pie shop for example that was going to put their pies up some extraordinary amount,” Mr Combet told ABC television, noting food prices will increase by less than half a cent in the dollar.
    “If you are a business person thinking that you are going to use this as an opportunity to put prices up I would be very, very careful, because we will have the ACCC (Australian Competition and Consumer Commission) on you,” he said, referring to the consumer watchdog…
    He also conceded that there could be implementation problems when the carbon price takes effect.
    “I’m working hard to make sure that there are not … but you never know, something might emerge.”…
    http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news-national/govt-cautions-business-over-carbon-tax-20120601-1zn4p.html

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    Geoff Sherrington

    A while back my lawyers were arguing with GE’s lawyers about alleged patent infringement. I was told at the time that GE was the most frequent applicant for patents of all companies and that it was among the most zealous in their legal defence. This might not have been the case and it might not be the case now. In one way it’s good that we have so many inventions, but in another (like the one we contected) it was full of prior art and disclosure and not worthy of wasting time. 3M was another frequent inventor, Xerox another, but they seemed to be more open and respected.
    So copyright anything you write here, doubly, after seeing your lawyer. (c)(c).

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    Marcus

    “How much money does GE make from green philosophies? I don’t know”, well I will tell you. In Australia, GE ENERGY HOLDINGS AUSTRALIA PTY LTD, made a Net Profit before Tax in FY10 of $13,156,000.

    GE Energy Holdings Australia Pty Ltd is a Sydney-based smart grid technology and water solutions company. The company is ultimately wholly-owned by the American-based, publicly listed General Electric Company. GE Energy business, and offers Australia-based and New Zealand-based clients access to smart grid technology across transmission and distribution, as well as waste water treatment and wind power technologies. The company operates through a number of business segments, including energy services; and oil & gas. It employs around 532 staff.

    Energy Services
    In the energy services area, it operates through power generation services, digital energy, measurement & control services, industrial services and environmental services. It also provides combined cycle power plants, power generation, power economics, temporary power solutions and total plant optimisation.

    Oil & Gas
    In the oil & gas area, it operates through gas boosting, gas engines, gas storage, gas turbine inlet systems, gas to liquid, generation solutions, land drilling & production, LNG receiving terminals, methanol, reinjection, refining, subsea and gasification, among others. It also offers offshore production platforms, offshore drilling and production, industrial cogeneration and oil boosting.

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    peter azlac

    Hi Jo

    This is off topic but I tried your direct email address and it was rejected as “person unknown” – apparently the Aussie climate police have made a start already on their new policy of gagging dissenters!

    I much enjoyed watching the video of the presentation by Professor Salby on the sources of atmospheric carbon dioxide and the implication for the IPCC CAGW “theory”that you featured on your site. Today I came across a similar but much more extensive evaluation that effectively drives a stake into the heart of the IPCC CAGW “monster”. The presentation is by Fred Haynie a retired environmental scientist who, like Salby, shows that fluctuations in atmospheric carbon dioxide are linked to fluctuations in SST. But he goes much further in showing the links to short and long term climate cycles and the role of changes in Arctic sea temperature/ice extent as the driving factors. Since we know that these are linked to solar effects via the geomagnetic link to NAO this gives good support for the influence of solar-planetary cycles. This presentation deserves a
    wider audience so I hope that you will promote it by adding it to your list of important climate facts. The source of the information was David Hagan in a comment on the most recent paper on this subject at WUWT – “What can we learn from the Mona Loa CO2 curves” by Lance
    Wallace – you may well have picked up on it already. Keep up the good work,nature is on the side of the sceptics – here in Europe we have snow in Sweden in June and the lowest June day temperature in Holland in 84 years!! Source:

    *David L. Hagen* says:

    June 2, 2012 at 4:58
    pm

    “For some detailed CO2 data and analysis with latitude and time see:
    Fred H. Haynie, Future of Global Climate
    Change
    http://www.kidswincom.net/climate.pdf

    And CO2 & OLR <http://www.kidswincom.net/CO2OLR.pdf

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    Jack O'Farrell

    ‘It has beautiful sentence construction’ (!) THis is the best that can be said about the book… Thank you for your eight-grade English teacher expertise, Jo. Now stop being so self-deceptive on climate change.

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    Streetcred

    … and its investors will watch the evaporation of their capital. Those investors will include may superannuation funds and will further compound the losses of their fund managers. Funny, it’s always easier with other people’s money.

    Instructions to my superannuation managers is no investment of my future into any ‘renewables’ industries.

    Disinvestment from GE is the answer.

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    Rereke Whakaaro

    Absolutely right, Peter.

    Sure, it is fun to play “connect the dots” on these things, but the trouble with connecting the dots is that you can do it in any way you like, especially when they aren’t numbered.

    You need to follow the timelines, and look for multiple causes and multiple effects, and follow the timeline as close as you can to the end.

    In this particular case, GE have, or propose to, sell NBC (and presumably the Weather Channel along with it) to Comcast.

    The deal has been in the making for years, and received FCC approval in January last year (on an almost unanimous vote). I don’t know it the deal finally went through (I was focussing on other things at the time).

    From what I can make out, GE are investing in media, entertainment, and the internet in a general ad hoc sort of way. It is not part of their core business (electrical engineering), but if done carefully, can show a good return on investment.

    The key question is whether or not they have any editorial influence over what the Weather Channel reports, and if so, have they used that influence in some way to increase sales in their core product portfolio?

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    Streetcred

    Alex Salmond’s £46 billion green ‘gamble’ with Scotland’s economy

    Peter Atherton, Citigroup’s head of utilities research, [ ... ] The industry expert, who advises the bank’s clients where to invest their money, said utility share prices are “dire” and green energy manufacturers have proved a “terrible, catastrophic investment” in recent years.

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    Kevin Moore

    warcroft

    It seems that one could say that it’s good for business if you can create the problem and then provide the solution to the reaction.

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    L.

    “The only bulbs to be allowed, by law, are only manufactured by GE at about $30 each.”

    Rubbish.. besides, even if true, LED’s will soon be doing the job for $2.00

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    Rereke Whakaaro

    Warcroft,

    Surely you aren’t implying that GE somehow arranged the tsunami that destroyed the plants, are you?

    Some facts you should be aware of if you are going to use Fukushima as an example:

    1. The problems at Fukushima One were entirely due to the tsunami – they survived the earthquake unscathed.

    2. General Electric supplied the main reactor vessels for three of the five reactors at Fukushima One (the others were from Toshiba and Hitachi).

    3. The emergency generators that were to supply electricity to the cooling system pumps were housed outside of the main reactor building. After construction, this was recognised as a design flaw, and was rectified when the Fukushima Two plant was built. The design was a joint effort between Tokyo Electric Power Company, General Electric, and Boise. The overall plant layout (including generator placement) really came down to decisions by TEPCo.

    4. The reactors were totally unaffected by the earthquake and the tsunami, and automatically started their emergency shutdown procedures. When the generators failed, the reserve battery system cut in, as designed. However, the battery reserve was not designed to provide power for the coolant systems for as long as it took to get replacement generators on site.

    5. The reactors therefore overheated and eventually started to melt-down, within the containment vessel, as they were designed to do in such circumstances.

    6. None of the containment vessels were breached.

    So far, so good.

    What is not often commented about in the press is that a large number of spent power rods where stored at the Fukushima One site because of a ban on transportation of those rods to places where they could be safely disposed of. This ban was imposed after significant lobbying by various environmental groups.

    It should be noted that the site was never designed as a long term storage facility.

    The spent rods were held in storage ponds where they were kept cooled by with water that needed to be constantly recycled. When the power failed, this cooling system also stopped, and the rods eventually started to boil the water off. The emergency team replaced this cooling system by pumping in seawater, which was then allowed to escape back to sea. However some low-level radiative material (mainly caesium and iodine) did escape in this process, and this is the source of the radiation that is now measurable at Fukushima One. Both caesium and iodine have short radiative half-lives (months with caesium, and days with iodine).

    So the problems at Fukushima One were entirely the results of bureaucratic and political decisions, and nothing to do with engineering design decisions.

    It also demonstrates the power of, and the risks imposed by, uninformed environmental activism.

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    L.

    “I don’t use or watch anything that has GE’s fingerprints on it.”

    Hope you never need an MRI then… Or travel in jets that have GE engines.. WHat about Australia’s defence? Our Hornets have GE engines.

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    Oh, and referring back to the earlier Climate Money Thread, GE is receiving pretty large Government funding for their new large scale wind turbines for the U.S. Government Department of Energy.

    Tony.

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    Another Ian

    Tony,

    You missed this one –

    “GE Transportation is the largest producer of diesel-electric locomotives for both freight and passenger applications in North America, believed to hold up to a 70% market share.[4]”

    More at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GE_Transportation_Systems (Not climate so should have minimum fiddling – hopefully)

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    warcroft

    Precisely!
    GE (along with all the bankers) are crashing the industries/economies, then appear as the saviours when its all gone to hell.
    Thats exactly what they are doing.

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    Kevin Moore

    ….What’s good for Obama is good for GE. Is what’s good for GE still good for America?”

    It’s all the way with USA with our current government.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/08/australias_prime_minister_and.html

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    Mark D.

    I’d like to know how and why this was permitted. I’d like my cut returned to me!

    Unfortunately my last name isn’t Solyndra so I’m probably shit out of luck.

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    Umm! Kevin, this is off topic, but it may interest you especially.

    This is a who’s who of just about everything.

    Note the Banks on this list, and also, the Leader of the German Greens Party. (Bob and Christine would be so proud)

    Tony.

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    Mark D.

    Agent orange was Monsanto and Dow.

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    lawrie

    I bought an LED 9 watt bulb that screws into a 240volt CFL downlight socket. Straight swap. The LED was a lot more than $2. It was $60 however I could buy the bulb and housing as a kit for $48. I now have a spare housing. The LED is instant on(no waiting to warm up) and quite bright but although it has three 3 watt bulbs in a cluster casts a very direct light onto a relatively small area.They need a better diffuser and yes they cost little to run but they are expensive to buy.

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    warcroft

    L, a good friend of mine is a manager of a lighting store. He brought four LED lights around for me to try. The cost price is $20 each. Cost, not retail.
    The light it gave off, although bright, was very sterile (for lack of a better word). It completely killed the atmosphere in the area of the house they were in.
    After trying them for a couple of days I switched back to halogens. They give a much warmer light. Better ambiance.

    Do any google search and you will see the ban is true and phasing out is taking place.
    CFL type globes (to replace incandescent bulbs) contain mercury and so can not be disposed of safely. They will be banned soon enough too.

    The energy bill from 2008 has a section where it’s states that incandescent light bulbs will be banned for traditional use. The ban began in 2012 and, as planned, be fully in power by 2014.

    The energy wasting light bulbs will be replaced with either CFLs or LEDs.

    According to the US congress the incandescent light bulb ban will save around $40 billion and USA would need about 14 fewer coal-fired power plants, thus reduce carbon dioxide emissions by 50 million tons.

    See? another plot to shut down power stations.

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    warcroft

    General Electric closed their incandescent light bulb factory in Winchester, Virginia, while the CFL bulb market share is dominated by Chinese manufacturers. Ironically, the increase in demand for Chinese CFLs has driven an expansion in the number of facilities manufacturing the bulbs, which in turn has spurred an increase in the construction of coal-fired power plants in China, to supply power to the additional factories. Reduction in atmospheric mercury and greenhouse gases in some parts of the world are therefore being offset to some extent by increases in these emissions from the additional Chinese plants

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    See? another plot to shut down power stations.

    Which patently is not happening.

    There’s a wonderful site where Green tinged contributors can come in and gloat how coal fired power is on the way out. Oh how little they realise that this is one of my best resources.

    They have this wonderful link that shows the huge number of coal fired plants closing down. Problem is that nearly all of them are tiny and time expired. Barely nothing over 750MW has closed in the four years I have been watching.

    Link to Coal Fired Plant Closures.

    If you read the closures, you’ll see the size of the plants that are closing.

    Oh! There are in fact two large plant closures in the near future.

    1. The Johnsonville Plant (part of the TVA – Tennessee Valley Authority) which has 9 generators for a total power of almost 1500MW, still only barely into the large scale size plant (1500MW+) and this plant is positively ancient, in fact, well beyond time expired. When they do close them down they will have been in operation for 65 and 67 years respectively.

    2. The Centralia Plant, which is just under that 1500MW large scale size, and has 2 units. When they close down (in 2020 and 2025, still 8 to 13 years away) they will have been in operation for 50 and 55 years.

    Not one ccoal fired plant of any size is being closed because of the scary notion that their CO2 emissions are causing CAGW.

    Nup! They are closing because (a) they are ancient, (b) their contract to supply will have expired and (c) they have become uneconomical to renew their operation. If CO2 emissions were on the list, it would be closer to the end of the alphabet.

    At that link, if you scroll up to the list just above the link, you’ll see the age of current existing coal fired plants still supplying power.

    There are 706 generating units older than 50 years and 10 of them are older than 90 years.

    Wind Power and Solar power can only have the wildest dreams that they can run their plants for longer than 25 years.

    So, when you hear of coal fired power plants closing down, be 100% certain that it has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with their CO2 emissions, and talk of actually closing down coal fired power plants is just that ….. talk.

    Just above that list for the age of plants is the ‘plant by size’ list. That list shows 67 Plants of 1500MW and greater. That number has not changed in the 4 years and 3 Months I’ve been writing about all this. That list may not have been there for all of that time, but the long search I did at the start (at this link) shows exactly that same number.

    Where warcroft says above:

    According to the US congress the incandescent light bulb ban will save around $40 billion and USA would need about 14 fewer coal-fired power plants, thus reduce carbon dioxide emissions by 50 million tons.

    Again, this is very careful manipulation of data. They calculate that if every house, workplace etc in the whole Country changed all their light bulbs for CFL’s, then they can calculate how much power might be saved. They then equate that to power produced just from coal fired plants, and knowing how much coal is burned on average, and how much CO2 is emitted from that power generation. It’s paper maths that means absolutely nothing as all that power is spread across the whole Country, and means a fraction from each plant, and even if every one of those bulbs were changed, not one of those plants would work any less than it normally does.

    Mindless green morons with no concept of electrical power generation or consumption do meaningless sums like this and then quote wonderful looking data that never comes to pass.

    It’s so easy to tear apart.

    Tony.

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    Again, I know this seems shameless of me by linking into one of my own Posts at my home site, but I just noticed this from warcroft in 8.2.2 above, where he says:

    According to the US congress the incandescent light bulb ban will save around $40 billion…..

    Hmm! I didn’t realise inflation was that bad in the U.S. President Obama said in 2009 that changing to CFL’s would save $4 Billion annually in saved energy costs.

    At the time I ran up a Post of my own in July 2009 explaining how this was a figure plucked from thin air, because in actuality it is something that can be calculated.

    The pie chart at this Post will show some very interesting information about household lighting, and just how much little power it actually does consume, only 8% of your total residential power consumption.

    Light Bulb Regulation – President Fails Elementary Math

    Tony.

    PS – I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve been flamed for this article. People just do not want to believe simple Maths, well, simple for some of us anyway.

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    Gee Aye

    in other words without evidence what is the point of this article?

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    Siliggy

    “The key question is whether or not they have any editorial influence over what the Weather Channel reports, and if so, have they used that influence in some way to increase sales in their core product portfolio?”

    Hmmm. This show seems to be missing now.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkKURzmPwso

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    MadJak

    I was talking about the Bombies and mines.

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    Bob in Castlemaine

    Probably never ru. Wall-to-wall wind turbines, despite their enormous cost, have not resulted in any reduction in CO2 emission in Europe.

    Now while I wouldn’t seek to justify GE’s decent into the cesspit of the rent seeking windmill industry, arguably GE (CFM) jet engines have helped make air travel more affordable to many.

    Sometimes organisation just lose their way, pure and simple.

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    Kevin Moore

    Madjak

    General Electric are involved in the production of anti personnel landmines.

    Given below are some other interesting and disturbing facts about landmines.

    “The United States has 11 million anti personnel landmines (APLs) stockpiled, the third largest mine arsenal in the world.”
    “The United States is one of only 14 countries that refuse to halt production of APLs.”
    “Landmines cost as little as $3 to produce and as much as $1,000 per mine to clear.”
    “From 1969 to 1992, the United States exported 4.4 million antipersonnel mines, mostly to Afghanistan, Angola, Cambodia, Iraq, Laos, Lebanon, Mozambique, Nicaragua, Rwanda, Somalia, and Vietnam.”
    “U.S.-made or supplied APLs have been found in 32 countries, including Afghanistan.”
    “Antipersonnel landmines are still being planted today and minefields dating back decades continue to lie in wait of innocent victims.”
    “UNICEF estimates that 30 to 40 percent of mine victims are children under 15 years old.”
    “Vast stockpiles of landmines remain in warehouses around the world and a handful of countries still produce the weapon.”
    “The International Campaign to Ban Landmines estimates that 15,000 to 20,000 people are maimed or killed by landmines each year and that millions more suffer from the agricultural, economic, and psychological impact of the weapon.”
    “The International Campaign to Ban Landmines estimates that there are more than 80 million landmines in the ground in more than 80 countries.”

    http://www.wisconsin.edu/funds/landmines1204a.htm

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    warcroft

    Trust me Tony, I believe every single word you say.
    Dont think I was in any way supporting or agreeing with the claims I posted.
    I should have put links to where I got it from but, you know, rushed work breaks.

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    warcroft,

    believe me, I wasn’t having a go at you in the slightest.

    Most comments I find like this give me the chance to come in and actually explain how the average person in the street is being snowed with spin that Shane Warne could only dream about.

    Tony.

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    Bob Malloy

    Tony,
    As warcroft seems to be posting from the US, he may not know any thing about Shane Warne, and his gift of spin.

    This might help. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJeFsTFECbM

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    warcroft

    And bob, im in Melbourne. But pretty much everything that happens in the USA happens soon after in Australia. You watch America you can see what’s coming here.

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    warcroft mentions here:

    But pretty much everything that happens in the USA happens soon after in Australia. You watch America you can see what’s coming here.

    In early 2010, in the U.S. they introduced similar legislation dealing with the emissions of CO2, how they would cap and trade those credits, and everything associated with it.

    It was effectively the CO2 Tax bill, but they did something surprising, artfully calling the Bill The American Power Act, all 987 pages of it, now thankfully consigned to the dustbin of history. The new title gave the impression of being something really good, so the average punter with little interest would see that title and think, ‘Hey, this is good! How could you complain about that?’.

    Now what is surprising is the current 18/19 pieces of legislation here in Australia bear a striking similarity to that Bill in the U.S. even to the point of not calling it what it really is, CO2 Tax legislation, here called the Clean Energy Act, giving the same ‘hey this is good how could you complain about that’ impression on the average punter with little interest.

    It seems that bureaucrats in Canberra went through those 987 pages of the U.S. legislation and said, ‘hey, this is good, we could use this here.’

    What goes around comes around.

    Tony.

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    Dave

    .
    Pat – this warning by these fools really is wrong!

    Back in April 2011 – the big kahuna of Climate Change Mr. John Conner stated the following:

    Climate Institute CEO John Connor said it was high time there was an “honest and balanced” debate on cost of living increases from a carbon pricing scheme.

    Followed by:

    Weekly household power bills on average would increase from $37.49 to $39.94 – a difference of $2.45 – the cost of a weekly sausage sandwich.

    Shouldn’t the ACCC investigate Combet and Conner (plus all the rest of the BULLSHI**ERS) for these blatent lies that will become obvious after July 1st 2012? And now they have the hide to warn of money grabbing by businesses – AMAZING statement by the robbers in charge!

    These lies will come back to bite these people in charge of the massive CAGW gravy train!

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    DavidH

    In my mind, I heard Basil Fawlty saying “My God … one pie shop! Quick, barricade the doors Manuel, it’s the end of the world.” I mean, these people should be comedy writers … or is that tragedy writers? Fact is, I don’t know these days whether to laugh or cry. Seriously, Combet is talking about the price of pies while rising energy costs are set to spiral out of control due to the policies he preaches.

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    warcroft

    The dangers and flaws of the plants were highlighted and ignored as far back as the mid 70′s.
    The spent fuel rods were stored in the upper levels of the plant and when the explosion happened thousands of the rods were scattered for miles around, a lot into the ocean.

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    The spent fuel rods were stored in the upper levels of the plant and when the explosion happened thousands of the rods were scattered for miles around, a lot into the ocean.

    Claptrap. Total fabrication. Alarmist propaganda.

    Can’t you spell IAEA?

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    The Black Adder

    Whats 30 Rock?

    Flannery`s IQ?

    :)

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