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Agenda 21: Alabama may have outfoxed it. Why you should care.

Agenda 21″ sounds like a daft-but-harmless-idea you can ignore. I found it hard to get enthused, but I was wrong, and no one sums this up better than James Delingpole in “Watermelons” (aka “Killing the Earth to Save it). To paraphrase James’s brilliant work (forgive me James) from page 190:

Some of you still aren’t convinced that you need to worry about Agenda 21 because you are thinking:

a) Agenda 21 sounds way too much like Area 51, (you know Aliens and the Roswell incident). Nut job stuff.

b) It was signed in 1992. If it was that bad, we’d have heard by now. Surely?

c) What sovereign nation would be so insane as to sign itself up for a binding treaty?

James explains that it’s real, it’s important (like an anti-magna-carta), and its’ a wolf in sheep’s clothing. Governments could sign up because it was “voluntary”, but then those voluntary rules are scrupulously and doggedly enforced by the “labyrinthine, democratically unaccountable behemoth that is the United Nations.”


Furthermore, he points out that it’s not like they’ve bothered to hide their aims — they want to control your resources, your money, your actions and every decision you want to make:

“Effective execution of Agenda 21 will require a profound reorientation of all human society, unlike anything the world has ever experienced a major shift in the priorities of both governments and individuals and an unprecedented redeployment of human and financial resources. This shift will demand that a concern for the environmental consequences of every human action be integrated into individual and collective decision-making at every level.” – excerpt from The UN, Agenda 21*

(Did I mention, you really need to buy his book? From James. Through Amazon (paperback or kindle), & the Australian version).

Agenda 21 is very much about property rights (ie. their right to your property). Justice Gilpin-Green quotes Agenda 21:

“Land…cannot be treated as an ordinary asset, controlled by individuals and subject to the pressures and inefficiencies of the market,” Agenda 21 says. “Private land ownership is also a principal instrument of accumulation and concentration of wealth and therefore contributes to social injustice; if unchecked, it may become a major obstacle in the planning and implementation of development schemes. The provision of decent dwellings and healthy conditions for the people can only be achieved if land is used in the interest of the society as a whole.”**

Agenda 21 is so non-threatening, voluntary, and out of date, that Alabama has just written legislation specifically designed to stop it. The legislation has passed.  It protects property rights against anything linked to Agenda 21, and also stops the state sending or receiving money to Agenda 21 NGO’s or GONGO’s.

Who knew that Alabama needed legislation to stop private property from being confiscated without due process?

(Who knew there are Democrats against Agenda 21?)

Agenda 21 also appears in other forms like, ICLEI, or the International Council for Local Environmental Initiatives. Gilpin-Green says “When countries like the United States fail to adopt the environmentalist agenda promoted by the United Nations, that organization manages to bypass them by providing various incentives to state, county, and municipal organizations.” Apparently some towns get funding from the UN and display their cheques proudly. How does that work — taxpayers pay money to a government, which gives it to a foreign unelected body, which then pays their local council in order to gain influence? So much for your votes. When the chain of voting-to-power becomes so long and distant,  it’s a case of your money, used against you.

[Alabama Senate Bill (SB) 477 legislation]

(b) The State of Alabama and all political
subdivisions may not adopt or implement policy recommendations
that deliberately or inadvertently infringe or restrict
private property rights without due process, as may be
required by policy recommendations originating in, or
traceable to “Agenda 21,” adopted by the United Nations in
1992 at its Conference on Environment and Development or any
other international law or ancillary plan of action that
contravenes the Constitution of the United States or the
Constitution of the State of Alabama.
(c) Since the United Nations has accredited and
enlisted numerous non-governmental and inter-governmental
organizations to assist in the implementation of its policies
relative to Agenda 21 around the world, the State of Alabama
and all political subdivisions may not enter into any
agreement, expend any sum of money, or receive funds
contracting services, or giving financial aid to or from those
non-governmental and inter-governmental organizations as
defined in Agenda 21.

Big Hat tip to Simon and GWPF

REFERENCES
* The official “Agenda 21″ UN Dept of Economic and Social Affairs.  Delingpole specifically references this particular UN link in his book. Some sites attribute the quote to George H Bush in 1992 (presumably at Rio, or rather “signed” by G H Bush?). This is also attributed to — Environmental activist and attorney Daniel Sitarz. Variations of it are quoted from  Agenda 21: The Earth Summit Strategy to Save Our Planet (Earthpress, 1993).
**The quote is widely attributed to “Agenda 21″ (used in the broader use of the term to describe a movement, rather than the specific document) and appears to have been one of the original driving ideas, with the earliest quotes from the report from “The Vancouver Action Plan” June 1976, UN Conference on Human Settlements.

 

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    Truthseeker

    Easy solution to the problem … stop funding the UN and watch the bureaucrats leave the unfunded ship like the rats that they are.


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    Winston

    Agenda 21 is the recipe for the complete destruction of humankind, IMO. The end of human ingenuity, the drive to succeed, the cross-pollination of opposing ideologies and cultures, in favour of homogenisation of the human spirit. Those who propose this legislation are blind, deceitful, treasonous or more likely all three.


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    Land ownership leads to the “concentration of wealth”? It is scary how clueless these people are, and how much power they’ve got. The point of land ownership is that it is the key to the CREATION of wealth, which of course tends to result in its concentration, but so what, if there is more than there was to begin with? The economic illiterates who seek to control our lives believe in a zero-sum gain, which should be a frightening prospect for us all.


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    Tim

    Perhaps our Government can clarify just what percentage of our Carbon Dioxide Taxes are being diverted to the UN.


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    Gary Mount

    Jo, do you know if LEED, or Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design has any connection to Agenda 21? In my neck of the woods, businesses seem to be forced into building to LEED standards, which is a form of property rights abuse.
    Every time that I read that a new school or other government building is going to be built to LEED standards, and have a Green roof, I get a sick feeling in my stomach. The L standing for leadership is especially grating on me.
    As an example, look at this wording about a school built near me;
    “…facilitates the learning process in the true spirit of sustainability”
    http://www.sabmagazine.com/blog/2007/07/28/leed-silver/
    Because of Carbon emission hysteria, the latest press release of another new school to be built states: “The school will also meet B.C.’s Wood First Initiative by incorporating wood as much as possible”. Cement and other non wood materials being carbon intensive in their production. This particular school will also be the first in this region to have a green roof.
    http://www.tricitynews.com/news/156464865.html
    Maybe I have become too cynical and am over reacting.


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    Joe's World

    Jo,

    Many a time governments “slip in” policy changes that we rarely know about by a couple of unscrupulous practices.
    One is a massive amount of garbage legislation that covers many many bills or policies and another is being put into a bill or policy change that has absolutely nothing to do with this area.
    Who we rely on for our media coverage are usually also the media who has favor with the government for reporting. Considering they usually also are getting some sort of subsidy from the government.

    When was the last time our media had the “balls” to go up against government reports or even check scientists work?


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    Sonny

    Well done Jo for linking do Delingpole’s excellent books.
    I’m not expecting a large number of people to suddenly wake up to the threat of Agenda 21,
    Such concepts as being robbed of private property are so draconian that they must be a conspiracy, they simply must be! So much easier to carry on with their heads in the sand thinking everything is just fine!

    The power of denial is unquestionable. Anything that causes cognitive dissonance (eg the fact that CAGW is a scam) will simply be dismissed as a conspiracy etc. by this with feeble minds.


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    handjive

    The Gillard Government is party to a UN agreement which Climate Change Minister Greg Combet entered into in December at a meeting in Cancun, Mexico, under which about 10 per cent of carbon taxes in developed nations will go into a Green Climate Fund.

    Even when Ms Gillard was denying there would be a carbon tax last August, her government had committed to spend $599 million on climate change handouts over the current three-year Budget period, mainly in the Pacific and South-East Asia.
    About $470 million has already been allocated.

    A report released by the group in November makes clear the role of carbon taxes in transferring wealth from developed countries.

    * The report said much of the remaining shortfall could be met from direct budget contributions by rich nations.


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    Bob in Castlemaine

    Agenda 21 is definitely a rebadged version of the failed Marxist experiment of the 20th century. Like many I thought this stuff was little more than a manifestation of conspiracy theorist’s wet dreams.

    But I fear Agenda 21 is a very real threat to all of us who value freedom and democracy, no matter how abused we may feel at present here in Australia.

    Lord Christopher Monckton recently delivered some very sobering advice on this issue.


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    Simon

    Great article Jo!

    Take a look at this from the Soviets in 1977 which appear to have drafted similar laws to ‘protect purity of air and water’ (theft of land, in other words):

    “Funnily enough, the U.S.S.R. Constitution did that too. Chapter 2, which promulgates the importance of common property to improve “purity of air and water”, “plant and animal kingdoms”, and “improve the human environment”, is ironically entitled “The Economic System.” Even the Soviets openly admitted that their “environmental concerns” were purely means to an end of state wealth after taking over private land.”

    See here: http://www.constitution.org/cons/ussr77.txt
    and scroll down to “Chapter 2: THE ECONOMIC SYSTEM”

    If someone has the time, it would be interesting to compare this Soviet doc/law with the one within Agenda 21 / Sustainable Development. For another article?

    From the doc:
    Chapter 2: THE ECONOMIC SYSTEM

    Article 10. The foundation of the economic system of the USSR is
    socialist ownership of the means of production in the form of state property
    (belonging to all the people), and collective farm-and-co-operative property.
    Socialist ownership also embraces the property of trade unions and other
    public organisations which they require to carry out their purposes under
    these rules.
    The state protects socialist property and provides conditions for its
    growth.
    No one has the right to use socialist property for person gain or other
    selfish ends.

    Article 11. State property, i. e. the common property of the Soviet
    people, is the principal form of socialist property.
    The land, its minerals, waters, and forests are the exclusive property of
    the state. The state owns the basic means of production in industry,
    construction, and agriculture; means of transport and communication; the
    banks; the property of state-run trade organisations and public utilities, and
    other state-run undertakings; most urban housing; and other property necessary
    for state purposes.

    Sound familiar?


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    Nick

    The hardest part of defense is knowing and acquiring the highest ground from which to defend and launch counter attacks.

    Now we know where the top of the hill is?…

    That’s where we prepare our defense!


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    rukidding

    While I am quite prepared to believe our loopy government is quite prepared to hand our sovereignty to the UN I can’t see how the UN is going to convince countries like China,India,Iran and Russia to hand over theirs.So if someone here can say how that is going to work that would be great.
    Getting back to our little country I can not figure why people like Barnaby Joyce are not bringing this to peoples attention after all handing over your sovereignty is no small matter but I guess we have been handing over our sovereignty bit by bit for a long time now what with refugees,world heritage listings and the international criminal court not to miss Kyoto.
    Maybe four corners could do an expose of how much of Agenda 21 has been implemented in our state and local governments once they have finished destroying our live cattle exports.


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    Can you provide a link to Agenda 21 that contains the above quotes? I searched a copy I just downloaded and did not find them.

    Did I download the wrong document? Or botch the search?

    Thanks
    JK


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    MadJak

    Good on Alabama, and one should allways be cautious of what agendas different groups have, but I must admit that I’m not that concerned about it. I mean these technocrats can’t even get a European common currency working properly without negotiating themselves into a position of impotence.

    And as for a political union of just the EU – well I don’t think that can even happen at the end of a gun now. Not for a few more generations anyways. As for having some global rearchitecture of capitalism to socialism, well, we should be on guard for that, but again, I don’t think they have much of a chance of pulling that off.

    As allways, I am open to being wrong. After all, I am a sceptic, which means I am still learning and not lazily relying on some power from aboves’ belief system.

    Just like AGW, we just have to sit back and watch these guys balls it up. All that is needed to be done is to make people aware of the said ballsups when they happen.

    This, of course, is something Jo does extremely well.


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      lawrie

      Madjak,

      You do have a hopeful message. While you are probably correct in so far as the impossibility of fooling all the people all of the time, which would be necessary for such change, the human and financial cost of the attempt is huge. Ask the Greeks or the Irish. Ask a farmer here who has had his land subjected to tree clearing bans or the irrigation farmers in the MDB who see their water wasted in keeping a naturally saline estuary full of fresh water. The ship of fools is slowing but it is still fast enough to cause great damage. With any luck most of the damage will be to itself.


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    Phil Ford

    The genius of Agenda 21 (some might say it’s wickedness) is that it was very subtly introduced into international policy-making two decades ago, with a very special focus on young people. It’s wormed its way into schools, colleges and universities around the world with alarming effectiveness. The UN, long jealous of the success (until very recently) of the EU’s ‘power-by-stealth’ approach learned a thing or two about indoctrination from the ‘European Project’, especially how effective it is to target the young with your propaganda – in this case ‘sustainability’ clap-trap (being used to disguise or ‘trojan Horse’ the real intent of global governance).

    Jo is very timely in highlighting Agenda 21. Rio+20 is almost upon us and so is the return of Agenda 21 – and this time its cheerleaders are going for broke. Be warned that activists and NGOs (all card-carrying Agenda 21 evangelists) are determined to see their dreams of a ‘global government’ made real and their best hope is Agenda 21 – but by hiding behind a smokescreen of ‘sustainability’ they are convinced they can sneak in the kind of future THEY want for us all.

    How dopey-eyed and inattentive the world’s governments and mainstream media are in the face of such Machiavellian scheming perhaps remains to be seen – but don’t hold your breath. It will almost certainly fall to the usual army of sceptical bloggers to actually report the facts (not) coming out of the Rio+20 jamboree; all the news they won’t want any of you read any time soon, for fear of scaring the horses.


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    malo

    I thought Stalin was dead!
    Wow now this is serious sh!t.


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    linda

    Bush forever, wetlands, buffer zones, catchment areas, rivercare, coastcare, local lancare groups and councillors.
    Who will gain from rezoning land, be it urban or commercial.
    How much private property is a resorce for carbon offsets.
    How much have rates increased and service decreased, Mayors, ceos, councillors are well aware of AGENDA 21 and its impact on private property owners and ratepayers, as many have been voicing grave concerns since 2002 in WA.
    Many ministers in Parliament are also aware , but shrug it off, as a conspiracy theory, although being provided facts as to the consiquences and how it is affecting the housing and farm areas.
    Always pitting interest groups such as mining and farming against each other.
    Start reading agendas and minutes of your local council, and look at all the gravy trips, that are UN related, and also the regional councils , 4 layers of government monitoring and denying our right to prosperity and self determination to achieve greatness.


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    Len

    Recently a functin was held at the City of Stirling (WA) where a number of local governments supported by the WA Local Government Association met. These WA councils are dealing directly with the UN on Agenda 21 implementation.


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    WB

    O/T but Jo are you across this new paper? http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nclimate1553.html#/ref7 It’s authored in part by John Church of the CSIRO. It’s getting a bit of an early pasting at WUWT and Judith Curry’s made an appearance there asking for the paper link. It might be something to pick apart.


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    Kevin Moore

    A big step towards the UN owners goal of world control is the “Law of the Sea Treaty” which Australia signed in 1994 [see Australian Treaty Series 1994 No 31]and on which subject an ongoing battle is being held in the United States to prevent its government from being a signatory.

    A video discussion telling of its dangers can be seen here -

    http://noisyroom.net/blog/2012/06/10/national-security-expert-law-of-the-sea-treaty-a-question-of-sovereignty/

    Bill Clinton’s office called it “the greatest environmental treaty of all time.”


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    Kevin Moore

    Relevant article from a UN website.

    http://www.uncsd2012.org/rio20/index.html

    In the news

    The pace of the talks still needs to be accelerated

    Despite agreed environmental goals, world still on unsustainable path – UN

    Rio+20 Corporate Sustainability Forum (15-18 June) and Business Day (19 June)

    Ban Ki-moon: “We want to make Rio+20 a conference of decisive impact and ambition”

    Outreach Magazine: News from the preparatory negotiations and a look at energy’s role in a green economy

    Celebrities join UNDP video spot ahead of Rio+20

    UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon urges public to vote on ?The Future You Want?

    Rio+20 must result in ?concrete? decisions to advance sustainable development ? Ban

    On the road to Rio+20: towards a Low Carbon Green Growth

    Ahead of summit, Ban urges G20 to focus on promoting sustainable economic growth

    News & Media

    ……..

    Secretary-Generals High level Panel on Global Sustainability

    Photo includes K.Rudd

    http://www.un.org/wcm/content/site/climatechange/pages/gsp


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    linda

    what is the common factor, and should Australia follow the same path to distruction.
    http://www.theage.com.au/environment/australian-cities-lag-on-climate-change-20120611-2064k.html


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    Mike in Kentucky

    The UN is an outdated, ineffective, money grubbing organization and should be disbanded, IMO. As for anyone trying to TAKE my property, I’ll be waiting with firearm in hand and will die defending it.


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    Louis Hissink

    Needless to say Australian Native Title legislation is part of this agenda though it was introduced during 1991 before the 1992 Rio conference, it never the less was aimed at diminishing private property rights.

    Oh and for what it’s worth, I discovered yesterday from a contact in Sydney that the reason the ALP is headstrong in implementing the carbon tax is, according to my source, that it’s all about saving their seats from the Greens and capturing the Green votes in the urban areas. Looks like the Greens have spooked the ALP and little wonder as the CFMEU is one of the trade union backers of the Greens.

    It might also be useful to study the Christian Old Testament and understand how some parts of it inform the laws of some Middle East countries.


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    Environmentalism must be seen for what it is: a revival of the last century’s worst authoritarian and collectivist urges. Like both Marxist and National Socialism, it makes its strongest appeal to the all-important urban middle class of controllers and non-producers. It has already lodged itself solidly at the pivot points of society: politics, academia and the media. On a public and official level, Environmentalism is treated piously as an unchallengeable orthodoxy which can only be disputed in its details.

    In fact, Environmentalism is a mass neurosis, promoting all that is low, backward and brutal. It wrecks and wastes in the name of Conservation, its prime victim. Environmentalism will do for the natural world what Marxist and National Socialism did for working humanity.

    Those who think I exaggerate need only look at Australia’s current energy policies and position. Coal and uranium rich, we have no nukes and burn more and more coal in aging clunkers. At the same time, we are completely dependent on money from exported coal – 75% of our massive production – which is burnt in the same atmosphere as the one I’m breathing now. We then import “alternative” energy hardware – otherwise known as medieval piles of junk – manufactured with our own expatriated coal. Now we are to unilaterally tax our domestic consumption of coal at a ruinous rate.

    The good news is that, clearly, nobody is really concerned about human-generated C02. Our Green Betters have done all in their power to maximise it, while skeptics have never cared.


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    Sonny

    O/T

    The bribery begins with Gillard paying $190 to students before the tax is even rolled out.
    There will be many a campus piss up to follow!

    http://m.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/carbon-tax-compensation-flows-to-students-20120611-205ih.html#ixzz1xUR5ZgDU


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    Roy Hogue

    Alabama had the good judgment to elect Bobby Jendil governor. Alabama had the good judgment to trounce Barack Obama at the polls. Alabama — the place to emulate. Go Alabama!

    Jendil, by the way, is on the short list for VP on the Republican ticket. I can’t think of a better choice unless it would be Marco Rubio, who eschews the idea completely at the moment.


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    Roy Hogue

    PS: If Republicans deny the short list, don’t believe it!


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    Rod Stuart

    Thanks so much for bringing this topic to the fore, Jo. It seems to me that since there have been fifteen years of no warming (the IPCC did say that only fifteen years of no warming would disprove AGW), and climate change being much more vague simply hasn’t worked out, this Agenda 21 has been in background and is about to be “rolled out” as it were. #21 is about the “Law of the Sea” and there is a very good essay this morning on:


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    linda

    what is hot in WA , about time action from minister Castrilli on Local Government.read it in the West.
    http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/newshome/13923295/27m-in-council-rates-illegal/


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    Kevin Moore

    O.T.

    Is GST a charge on top of the carbon dioxide tax?


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    Thanks for bringing us all the latest news on this epic struggle, Jo. It could be a very expensive struggle for us, handicapped as we are by the present Australian Government with its heads in the sand.
    They have not noticed that there has been about fifteen years of no detectable warming. This inconvenient truth would only speed up the roll out of the Machiavellian Agenda 21 in any case.


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    handjive

    O/T but update from Jonova’s previous post, “300,000 dollars and three years to produce a paper that lasted three weeks: Gergis”.

    The Age’s Adam Morton has posted in the environmental section, 12/6/12:

    Climate warming study put on hold

    The Climate Audit blog – run by Canadian Steve McIntyre, who has challenged the validity of palaeoclimatic temperature reconstructions – claimed credit for finding the issue with the paper.

    Professor Karoly said the authors uncovered the problem before Climate Audit blogged about it.

    At dotearth, Andy Revkin says:

    Now the paper, at the request of the authors, has been “put on hold” by the Journal of Climate after questions were raised publicly about one of the researchers’ methods, starting with a comment on Steve McIntyre’s Climate Audit blog.

    Over the weekend, I got in touch with David Karoly, one of the paper’s authors and a longtime contact on climate science, to confirm the accuracy of a post by McIntyre quoting him. He said all was accurate,….

    Just like the dodgy paper & the flawed ‘peer review’, the incompetent liars can’t even get their stories straight.


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    Bloggers earlier mentioned the chart of icemelt in the Arctic. You will be interested to see todays chart:

    http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_stddev_timeseries.png


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    Simon

    Of course…

    With the CO2=bad stuff of CAGW… and the push for renewable energies like solar and windmills… I was thinking to myself: why do they advocate energy sources like these that are almost useless?… but of course, it all makes sense now with Agenda 21, because one of the central tenets of Agenda 21 is to deindustrialise our nations… as industry bad and polluting etc… so if we become deindustrialised due to Agenda 21, we won’t have any need for decent strong energy sources like nuclear… does it all make a little more sense now with this new perspective of Agenda 21?


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    Kevin Moore

    The UN is a religious organisation -

    “An important part of the philosophy of panarchy is that national governments are increasingly sidelined in favour of multi-jurisdictional institutions”.

    UN IPCC climate science report guided by pagan cult

    Pagan Cult Member Turns IPCC Lead Author
    By Haunting the Library

    IPCC Lead Author member of group that preaches “Revolt and Remember”. Resilience Alliance talks of “destabilization” and “destruction” leading to “reorganization”. Group inspired by “hoofed, horned, hairy and horny” pagan god, Pan: symbol of the “all pervasive spiritual power of nature” in his “destabilizing role” of spreading “panic”.

    Donna LaFramboise has an interesting post at Nofrakkingconsensus which looks at Neil Adger, the author of the new IPCC chapter on “human security”. Adger lectured on “environmental economics” at the University of East Anglia and nowteaches “environmental geography“ at the University of Exeter. Nofrakkingconsensus notes Adger’s record of calling for decarbonisation of the global economy and his belief in catastrophic climate change. Hardly an unbiased account for the consideration of world leaders.

    Adger is also a proud member of something called The Resilience Alliance.

    Whilst the organisation might sound like a convention gathering from Star Trek, their aims are far, far, more serious and wide-ranging than that. Indeed, their ultimate goal, as stated on their website, is nothing less than what they term “Panarchy” in accordance with “nature’s rules” of “unpredictable change”. An important part of the philosophy of panarchy is that national governments are increasingly sidelined in favour of multi-jurisdictional institutions………..

    http://www.investigatemagazine.co.nz/Investigate/


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    John Smith101

    Hooray, Jo’s finally on to Agenda 21. Great, I can finally come out from under a rock after being labelled a conspiracy theorist for the last two decades. We are up to Rio+20 folks and these machinations have been slowly unfolding for at least that long.

    Time to join the dots: CAGW has been the driver (and corrupted ‘normal’ science in the process) of a Hegelian dialectic (‘create’ a problem [CAGW], provide a solution [carbon trading] to produce an outcome [global governance]) operating within a milieu of outcome-based education (teaching ‘what to think’, not ‘how to think’) over the past generation combined with motherhood statements re sustainability (a feedback response to CAGW) that links back to Agenda 21 and its offshoots (intended and otherwise).

    These offshoots are (in no specific order): Kyoto; REDD; Vancouver Protocols; depopulation of rural areas; biodiversity; transference of water rights (MDB plan anyone?); suspensions of democracy; introduction of a ‘carbon’ currency’ and ‘carbon rationing’ (as outlined in Environmental Audit Committee minutes, House of Commons, London, 2009?) to control consumption thereby creating a non-growth command economy; the ‘war on terrorism’ (arbitrary powers and restrictions on citizens right under the guise of ‘necessary action’ for security reasons – arbitrary powers do not operate under the ‘rule of law’ but rather the rule of a committee of people, ie a dictatorship); the pathologising of dissent or denialism; internet censorship; the replacement of value or ‘quality’ (as interpreted by Ravetz’s notions of post-normal science, and outcomes based education) thereby subverting empirical based evidence; the intentional obfuscation and propagandism of ‘climate science’ and ‘science communication’ including what Monckton describes as ‘transparent impenetrability’ of documentation (try reading and understanding the COP15 [Copenhagen] Draft Report); the denigration of farmers and miners (both major land users) and pitting them against each other; the overarching use of models and statistics (both useful tools) to over-ride empiricism; etc.

    We have been white-anted for some time now.


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    Bob Massey

    I never thought I would ever read the words that exemplify the stupidity of the Human race so eloquently as the words in the Agenda 21 document.

    Any scheme that puts the planet on a plinth above that of mankind is the most indefensible and most ridiculous thing I have heard of. Agenda 21 is the most offensive in principle document ever to written. The stripping of unalienable human rights because someone in some unelected organisation says it’s the right thing to do for the planet is offensive. If our governments or us fall for this witchery then we deserve the fate which will befall us.

    I would urge people to contact their member of local, state and federal politics and ensure they do not follow or adhere to the Agenda 21 treatise in any shape or form.

    We can not deliver our sovereign rights over to the new world order without a damn fight.


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    Tim

    Even Bob Dylan has been silenced. Find “Things have changed’ on youtube. Follow the lyrics carefully and realise that it seems he needs to stay way out of the debate in order to survive.


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    JMD June 12, 2012 at 2:32 pm · Re:
    “All joking aside, one of its progenitors is Gareth Evans, who I heard was just given the Order of Australia. What a joke”.

    No, no joke. I had the unpleasant task of working in Government Relations in the early part of Gareth’s Foreign Ministry Boys’ Own adventure, 1988-96. At one stage he was reeling off Treaties, sometimes 2 per week, often with scant reference to colleagues, let alone Parliament or the People. I recall a meeting when the retired Chief Justice, Sir Harry Gibbs, asked how many Treaties Australia had, was it a dozen or two? I had to inform him that there were about 1,200 entries on the Australian Treaty List at that time. I further suggested that the problem this created could be solved by Courts insisting on adherence to all Treaties to the letter. There was so much overlap, duplication and ambiguity that the country would have ground to a halt.
    We had a dustup with Gareth over World Heritage, which effectively ceded Sovereignty of large parts of Australia to the United Nations. This continues, with an intrepid band of one-world-government rooters having plans for huge off-shore marine parks as I write this.

    Then there was Hawke, who loved the Fabian Society and delivered a speech for its Centenary in Melbourne in May 1984.
    Have a read of this and be sick.
    http://www.geoffstuff.com/Hawke%20Fabian.pdf


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    Kevin Moore

    Rio+20 Conference

    http://unfccc.int/meetings/rio_conventions_calendar/items/6940.php

    Sat 16 June – THEME: Oceans Day
    10:00-11:00 Renewing our political commitments: Perspectives on Rio+20
    11:00-12:15 Scaling up integrated governance of the oceans
    12:15-13:30 Lunch: Celebrating 10 Years of the Global Ocean Forum, and the 30th Anniversary of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea
    13:30-14:30 The Living Ocean: Enhancing Fisheries for Food Security, Social and Economic Benefits
    14:30-15:10 SIDS and Oceans: Building Resilience, Enhancing Social and Economic Benefits
    15:30-16:20 Climate Change and Ocean Acidification
    16:20-17:45 Toward the Blue Economy and Society: Perspectives, Experiences and Initiatives
    17:45-18:30 Moving forward
    18:30-20:30 Closing of Oceans Day
    Organized by: Global Ocean Forum; SOA, China; GEF; UNDP; OPRF, Japan; University of Delaware; IOCUNESCO; UNEP; World Bank; Fórum do Mar; Pacific Islands Forum Secretariat; Seychelles; Republic of Vietnam; KORDI; WWF; World Ocean Network; TNC; FAO; CBD Secretariat; Caribbean LME Project; NRDC; SeaOrbiter
    …..

    Panel member Kevin Rudd

    http://www.un.org/wcm/content/site/climatechange/pages/gsp

    ………

    http://noisyroom.net/blog/2012/06/10/national-security-expert-law-of-the-sea-treaty-a-question-of-sovereignty/


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    gbees

    Here’s the RIO Planet Under Pressure Declaration http://www.planetunderpressure2012.net/pdf/state_of_planet_declaration.pdf

    Nice words , used specifically to drop the guard of unsuspecting Earthians so that the Socialist utopian ideology can be implanted throughout the world …….. plenty of ‘useful idiots’ signing up for the Agenda21. The Agenda21 planned shutting down of golf courses alone raises my hackles!


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    Dennis

    I can’t read past #46 ?


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    Kevin Moore

    Australian law passed by Parliament is not Common Law,it is Statute Law. Statute Law is Admiralty Law or “The Law of the Sea”.

    http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/aia1901230/s15b.html

    As can be seen by the ACTS INTERPRETATION ACT the whole of the Australian territorial land mass is deemed to be covered by sea, so therefore it can be seen that the whole of the Australian land and coastal territories come under the provise of the “Law of the Sea Treaty” to which Australia became a signatory in 1994. See -
    http://noisyroom.net/blog/2012/06/10/national-security-expert-law-of-the-sea-treaty-a-question-of-sovereignty/

    http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/other/dfat/treaties/

    “ACTS INTERPRETATION ACT 1901 – SECT 15B
    Application of Acts in coastal sea
    Coastal sea of Australia

    (1) An Act is taken to have effect in, and in relation to, the coastal sea of Australia as if that coastal sea were part of Australia.

    (2) A reference in an Act to Australia, or to the Commonwealth, is taken to include a reference to the coastal sea of Australia.

    Coastal sea of external Territory

    (3) An Act that is in force in an external Territory is taken to have effect in, and in relation to, the coastal sea of the Territory as if that coastal sea were part of the Territory.

    (3A) A reference in an Act to all or any of the external Territories (whether or not one or more particular Territories are referred to) is taken to include a reference to the coastal sea of any Territory to which the reference relates.

    Definition

    (4) In this section, coastal sea :

    (a) in relation to Australia, means:

    (i) the territorial sea of Australia; and

    (ii) the sea on the landward side of the territorial sea of Australia and not within the limits of a State or internal Territory;

    and includes the airspace over, and the sea-bed and subsoil beneath, any such sea; and

    (b) in relation to an external Territory, means:

    (i) the territorial sea adjacent to the Territory; and

    (ii) the sea on the landward side of the territorial sea adjacent to the Territory and not within the limits of the Territory;

    and includes the airspace over, and the sea-bed and subsoil beneath, any such sea.

    http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/aia1901230/s15b.html
    No wonder then that a celebration is being held in Rio -

    “Sat 16 June – THEME: Oceans Day
    10:00-11:00 Renewing our political commitments: Perspectives on Rio+20
    11:00-12:15 Scaling up integrated governance of the oceans
    12:15-13:30 Lunch: Celebrating 10 Years of the Global Ocean Forum, and the 30th Anniversary of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea
    http://unfccc.int/meetings/rio_conventions_calendar/items/6940.php

    Our politicians have surrendered Australian sovereignty to the United Nations.


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    MattB

    Agenda 21 is a super document. I’ve actually read it btw. the excerpt above:
    “a concern for the environmental consequences of every human action be integrated into individual and collective decision-making at every level”
    is a particularly inspiring passage.

    Would people honestly prefer that decisions were not made with due consideration of the environmental consequences of that decision? I know you guys think AGW science is bunkum, but Jo especially has emphasised in the past the fact that she cares deeply about the environment, and “real” environmental issues, same for Marohasy… would people really not want decisions to take in to account environmental issues?


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    Ellen

    I heard Steve Price & Andrew Bolt dismiss one of their morning callers because she raised the Agenda 21 issue. It made me go hunting and I put up some direct quotes on Bolt’s blog, but I think he still considers it ‘conspiracy stuff’. But they don’t hide much on their web sites. I’d also recommend reading “ICLEI – Local Governments for Sustainability Preparing for Tomorrow” which is 11 pages long and includes this kind of stuff:

    “• Encourage cities, local and sub-national governments worldwide to commit to biodiversity action, in particular by signing the “Durban Commitment” developed by the 21 global Pioneer Cities of LAB.
    • Maintain and enhance ecosystems services through improved biodiversity management at the local level, for example, by developing “BiodiverCities” and “Cities in Biodiversity Hotspots”
    initiatives under LAB and roll these out worldwide, combining a global network of pilot cities with regional/national program offerings.
    • Continue to build on existing partnerships, and create new ones, mainly through the Global Partnership on Cities and Biodiversity coordinated by the Secretariat of the Convention on Biological Diversity.”

    Which gives you an idea of the number of programmes they have in place.


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    Ted O'Brien

    Jo.

    You quote: ““Private land ownership is also a principal instrument of accumulation and concentration of wealth and therefore contributes to social injustice; ”

    In Australia kids have been taught in their history studies that ever since Adam the landowners have oppressed those who do not own land.

    Nobody taught them that In Australia their fathers and grandfathers sorted that problem out a long time ago.

    It is strange that whereas it was Ausralian Labor politics, as continued under Menzies, which achieved this, it was the ALP under Hawke and Whitlam which set about destroying all the good work, with Rudd and Gillard finishing off the job.

    But strangest of all is that the Howard government, with its insane “free market theory”, maintained without pause Hawke’s destruction of our land ownership system.


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    John Seabrook

    Outfoxed by Alabama?! I think that says it all! Alabama?!! Maybe all you rednecks should move there. This site gets more ludicrous by the day. God help us all!


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    John Seabrook

    I have recurring visions of cartoon type characters from state institutes in white coats chasing after dear old ‘Winston’ with over-sized butterfly nets. The directive from the warden is to deny him access to pen and paper, and to a computer. It’s simply too risky. If he embarks on yet another essay, well, I don’t have to elaborate on what that might spell for all of us. If Worse comes to worse, we may need to consider extradition to Alabama. Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that, but we must not rule it out, no matter how awful it may seem to some of you. Alabammy, despite it’s many flaws, doesn’t deserve this!


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    awhina tate

    Same here in New Zealand Agenda 21 is being implemented by stealth through ICLEI in our local councils and the Resource Management Act and Local Governments act through our Government and lately the proposed Consitution Review

    an excellent video
    http://youtu.be/YyYNneRU2VM


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    Dennis

    Tim Minister Combet was interviewed on radio a couple of months ago and asked that question. From memory he tried to get around it three times until the interviewer changed the question by asking if an amount equal to ten per cent of the CO2 tax would be sent to the UN. Combet acknowledged that it would.


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    Truthseeker

    Maybe four corners could do an expose …

    You are kidding … right?


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    Dennis

    I understand that our best defence, unless corrupted by partisan appointments, are those who uphold Australian laws, the High Court? Does anyone here really think that the people of the world would accept world government rule and their own sovereignty being abandoned? Of course there is that agenda in play but, for example, would Muslims accept being ruled by Fabian Christian socialists and atheist socialists, I don’t believe that they would. Would US well armed citizens accept?


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    Linda’s comment above:

    “Start reading agendas and minutes of your local council, and look at all the gravy trips … ”

    Also a search on “Local Agenda 21″ (or variants) filtered for site:[state].gov.au will help to turn up which councils are active in this area.

    I thought the local mob had signed up for this, but nothing turns up on a Google or site search. Interesting. The sensible stuff is still there, but most of the squawking about “climate change” has disappeared. I might be naive, but this looks encouraging.

    If your Council is preparing a new planning scheme, make sure you read the drafts. They do have to consult you, and the devil might be in the small print. Last time round in Queensland, an awful lot of pink elephants got past State check.


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    Jim, good question. I’ve updated the post right at the bottom with the references and links. One problem is that both these quotes turn up on hundreds of sites. Also “Agenda 21″ can refer to a document or to a whole movement. If you find a more specific link or attribution, I shall add it in.


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    linda

    Len,
    may i suggest you look up ceo and $312ML carniege foundation to facilitate agenda 21, also if you see smart growth,switch your thinking ,or just look at the mou,s shire has signed.
    The usual giveaway is cities for climate protection.
    Walga and agenda 21 started same year.


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    linda

    Great Simon,
    Try community Land Title in WA.


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    Dennis

    Bill Clinton of the Social-ist Democrat Party.


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    Rereke Whakaaro

    The end of human ingenuity, the drive to succeed, the cross-pollination of opposing ideologies and cultures, in favour of homogenisation of the human spirit.

    That sums it all up very nicely. There is a faction within the the United Nations (and the European Union) bureaucracies that firmly believes that the world would be a better place if we all just the same. i.e We were all just like them …


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    Rereke Whakaaro

    Cohenite,

    Your first link contains the following quote:

    The bulk of Australia’s $600 million will go to adaptation projects in the Pacific, South East Asia and Africa. Thirty two million will go to Indonesia to stop deforestation.

    There is no coincidence that these areas are precisely the same areas that are being given aid by the Chinese government in return for access to maritime mineral reserves.

    This has nothing to do with climate, nor Agenda 21, it has everything to do with a scrabble for resources before the “UN comes to an agreement for a moratorium”.

    If you read the second quote in the light if this different viewpoint, the actions of the ALP start to make some sense.

    Gillard was not so much lying to the Australian people as she was sending messages to the UN.


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    Rereke Whakaaro

    Wood First Initiative by incorporating wood as much as possible”. Cement and other non wood materials being carbon intensive in their production.

    Hmm, the writer of that little gem doesn’t know much about commercial wood production: From the petrol used by the chain saws, to the diesel used by the tractors to pull out the logs, to the petrol used for the generators to drive the milling equipment, to the chemicals used in the tantalisation process, to the power required to heat the drying kilns, to the diesel used in the transportation …. etc etc.


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    Kevin Moore

    There are doubts concerning Local Government legitimacy.

    http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/rangeview.htm


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    Rereke Whakaaro

    [The UN] … learned a thing or two about indoctrination from the ‘European Project’, especially how effective it is to target the young with your propaganda …

    I have always seen the EU as a pilot project for the “big event”.

    There is a lot propaganda in this area – some of it very good.

    For example, the reason that a lot of people blow away the idea of a hidden agenda is because they are convinced that, “it is just a conspiracy theory”. The reason for that is because it is assumed that such an idea would need a number of powerful people who sit in secret conclave and plan the next move in their strategy. Now why would people have that idea?

    Because that is the way that the movies always depict the bad guys. The first Sherlock Holmes movie had a Secret Society that was infiltrating the British Parliament. One of the Lara Croft movies had a similar group of people who all sat in high-backed chairs in a circle. And so it goes on.

    This does not intend to imply that all movie directors and producers are culpable, it is just good theatre. Movies are all about “helping people believe in something that does not exist”. But it can also provide useful propaganda that “helps people to not believe” that something that actually exists, is “really just a story line”.

    Modern media is a mixture of smoke and mirrors that mixes the truth with the lies so that it is difficult to distinguish one from the other, unless you are actively looking for it.

    Agenda 21 is actually a statement of a desired ideal state. Propaganda is one of the means of getting to it. We all need to train ourselves in recognising the mind-games for what they are.


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    john of sunbury

    It will almost certainly fall to the usual army of sceptical bloggers to actually report the facts ….. all the news they won’t want any of you to read

    Exactly right Phil. My huge concern is the ongoing campaign here and in other western democracies to either censor or regulate content on the internet. Access to information and the opinions of free thinkers are very inconvenient for those intent on stealing our freedoms.


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    Rereke Whakaaro

    If he is denying it, he is interested. If he was “flattered to be approached” he is not. :-)

    One day, one politician will actually say something in total honesty, and half of the press corps and most of the political analysts will drop dead from shock. :-)


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    I think you’ve got the state wrong. Bobby Jindal is governor of Louisiana, not Alabama. Both are deep south states, so the mistake is an easy one to make.


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    John Kettlewell

    Bobby Jindal is the name, and Louisiana is the State in which he presides as Governor.


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    Bulldust

    I believe the expression is “lowest common denominator.”


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    ExWarmist

    I disagree – they don’t want us to be just like them – they begin with the assumption that we are too stupid, and too weak to govern ourselves. They conceive of themselves as infinitely superior to us – we are not like them at all – we are at best cattle to be herded, at worst, useless eaters that are consuming their resources.

    The image of what we are supposed to be like – is just for us, – and has nothing to do with the empowered and priveledged lives that they envision for themselves at our expense.


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    Simon

    UN Agenda 21/Sustainable Development is a pure out and out attempt at global communism via the back door – dodging the usual democratic processes.
    .
    Check this – Agenda 21 for Public Officials:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=ujuLC682Azg&NR=1
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    “Participating in a UN advocated planning process would very likely bring out many of the conspiracy-fixated groups and individuals in our society…. This segment of our society who fear ‘one-world government’ and a UN invasion of the United States through which our individual freedom would be stripped away would actively work to defeat any elected official who joined ‘the conspiracy’ by undertaking LA21 [Local Agenda 21]. So, we call our processes something else, such as comprehensive planning, growth management or smart growth.
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    Deception!!! That’s why we’ve pretty much never heard of this threat to our liberty!
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    Other interesting links:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=8Hyl9YzJsQg (monckton tells canadians about Ag21 in London, Canada)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPX_H5qxfKw&feature=related (Rosa Koire talks on infowars.com about Ag21 with Alex)
    http://www.america2050.org/about.html
    http://www.america2050.org/maps/ (maps of new ‘megaregions’ where human settlements have been planned: 51 states –> 11 megaregions)
    http://tulsansforsustainablefreedom.com/quotes.html (some sustainable dev quotes)
    http://www.jbs.org/news/stop-epa-s-implementation-of-un-s-agenda-21
    http://www.jbs.org/issues-pages/stop-agenda-21
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjEa2g_jU8Q (Wildlands Project / Part of UNITED NATIONS AGENDA 21)
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    This must go far and wide and be stopped in its tracks ASAP!


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    Simon

    “From small acorns do big oak trees grow”

    We need to publicise this. If all of the climate sceptics catch on to this via high-traffic sceptic sites like this, WUWT etc, then we create a plan of action to publicise this as much as possible.

    For example, a window poster containing one URL like STOP-AGENDA-21.com makes people curious as they walk past. Some will search and some will put up posters and so on.

    Also ask shops to display window poster.

    The website advertised should explain the dangers and action plans – e.g. :
    1. write to your local paper to publicise the site and what it’s about
    2. write/call your local council/government offices to demand this is banned – like they did in Alabama

    Nothing to lose, and everything to gain.


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    MadJak

    Good question. Especially for me – apparently me and my family are one of the top 500 derdy polluders because the carbon tax is going to whack us.

    And to think we will pay more GST as well, it just kind of encourages me to work more in the black market really…..


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    Yes, the GST is added to the CO2 Tax.

    Take out your most recent electricity bill.

    The charges are calculated on your consumption of electricity on a per unit basis, and that unit is the KWH, and the average is around 21 cents per KWH

    So, on the implementation of this CO2 tax, that per unit KWH cost will rise to reflect the new charge.

    So, if the original basis increases, then the GST also increases as well.

    So an increase due to the introduction of the CO2 Tax will also see an increase in GST take overall.

    As you can see, this is a further windfall for the Government, because if they are raising Billions from the increase in the cost of electricity, then you can see how much the increased take will be from the GST, which will in fact amount to hundreds of millions of dollars.

    Note how the Government is basing their compensation (for just some consumers in that 38% residential sector) on the base price of the increase due to just the CO2 Tax, they are making an absolute motza on the whole end cost total.

    See how this whole thing is Rivers of Gold.

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    Dennis

    Yes Kevin, the big polluters will be levied CO2 Tax and they will add it into their costings and then add their profit margin. Along the supply chain all who are liable for paying carbon tax will add it to their costings including the hidden carbon tax included in their supplier’s invoices. Depending on how many tax points there are before consumers pay at retail level the $23/tonne will have increased substantially.

    I did a simple calculation as follows: Carbon Tax Con $23/tonne + power supplier profit margin, say 80% = $41.40/tonne less distributor’s discount of say 25% = $31.05/tonne + profit margin equal to discount from power supplier so retail price is also $41.40/tonne + GST 10% = $45.54 end user carbon price.

    Many examples could be higher depending on how many carbon tax inputs there are at each link in the supply chain. And then the carbon tax rate increases next year.

    Financial writer Terry McCrann estimated that the $23/tonne will be equivalent to increasing the GST by 5% to 15%

    Treasury claims that the CPI will rise by 0.7% but others including a former CBA CEO estimated 1.0%

    However we wont feel the full effect for a while, certainly not on 1 July next. And businesses deciding to pack up manufacturing equipment and relocate overseas could span years depending on the size of each operation. I know of one smaller business that has already relocated to India.


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    DavidH

    But surely no extra votes for Labor there – most students are already brainwashed into believing the carbon scam.


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    Overseasinsider

    I don’t care if all the ice on the planet melts!! It still doesn’t prove that human emitted CO2 caused it. Why can’t you get that thru your thick skull??


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    Brian of Moorabbin

    Congratulations Maxine.

    You’ve (finally) managed to find something that kind-of-sort-of supports your exaggerated claims about the Arctic ice. Any comment about the INCREASING amount of Antarctic ice?

    Also, when are you going to get around to answering all the other questions put to you in Jo’s last 2 blog posts (about the Gergis ‘Report’, and the Thompson family)?

    Or are you just a ‘submarine troll’… only surfacing to fire off wild claims and cherry-picked propaganda memes, before disappearing once again into the depths (of delusion)?


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    Be very wary of Maxine, because he/she/it plays a cunning game here.

    Her team Maxine persona knows the Posts that can perhaps damage the meme, so to deflect away from the main topic, he/she/it/team will FIFO with a one liner ‘Bomb’ to deflect Commenters. There’s no need ever to come back and respond, because the main job takes only seconds for he/she/it, and in all probability, Maxine will never even see how severely embarrassed Maxine has been made to look, and besides, Maxine couldn’t care less anyway.

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    John Kettlewell

    Nice chart, it tells me that it is nearly summertime in the top half. Thank you, I was unaware.

    Also, I live in Florida, which is at sea level. When it becomes a problem I’ll know. So far in 30 years, it looks the same; along with the climate.


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    ExWarmist

    Hi Maxine,

    Excellent work – you came with evidence – now lets see if we can make that a point of self discipline and self respect for you.

    Now it is not controversial that the arctic has lost ice over the time frame that you provide.

    What matters is the reasons for the ice loss:

    Here are three references for you.

    REF 1: http://multi-science.metapress.com/content/h316k4x07528q554/

    REF 2: http://www.pnas.org/content/108/47/18899.short and

    REF 3: http://multi-science.metapress.com/content/5x3g7u2mg2505447/

    From the 3rd Ref,

    At around 2040-2050 we will be in a new major Solar Minimum. It is to be expected that we will then have a new “Little Ice Age” over the Arctic and NW Europe. The past Solar Minima were linked to a general speeding-up of the Earth’s rate of rotation. This affected the surface currents and southward penetration of Arctic water in the North Atlantic causing “Little Ice Ages” over northwestern Europe and the Arctic.

    BTW: Here is another graph to ponder from the exact same official source (NSIDC) as the one that you provided – perhaps you can explain it’s mystery.

    REF 4: http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/S_stddev_timeseries.png

    Yours sincerely ExWarmist


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    Sonny

    That is my experience with Arts and Science students. Engineerin students are more divided.
    By guess is that since graduating in 2010 numbers of believers would have dropped in line with wider public opinion. And websites like Jo Nova are no doubt helping to provide information to counter the MSM propaganda.


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    Simon

    Thanks Linda, could you tell us about it?

    I did a search and found a link where it said you could request upto 20 acres of land per person. Is that what you mean?


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    RW, the net carbon output of timber is still a fraction of the carbon output of steel and concrete, thus its relativly “green”. I can’t remember the figures but I do recall seeing them when I did my brief stint at CSIRO over the 1991-92 summer as an undergrad.

    In terms of drying, most millers use a combination of air and kiln drying. The sister company to the one I work for is a small hardwood saw mill in Gipsland. They air dry for at least 5 months before putting it into solar kilns with gas backup systems (the gas is in full swing now for obvious reasons). Their systems as a result are very close to being “carbon nuetral” from felling through to shipping it out.

    The rationale for the solar kilns wasn’t the environmental side of things (but that’s a marketing bonus in this day and age), rather the reduction in operating costs. Solar kilns typically reduce operating costs by 50-60% for virtually zero difference in capital outlay. In fact mostly they are manufactured out of old shipping containers, polycarbonate roofing, control system and gas burner backup system.

    If only other solar systems/schemes were like this.


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    Dennis

    I have circulated Agenda 21 to various websites and friends, and agree that this nonsense must be fought against, people must be told what the Fabian socialists’ agenda is. I can hardly believe that they have been able to get this far, I was aware of the new world agenda many years ago and that the UN was being infiltrated and used. An Australian Labor government attorney general, Doctor Clive Evatt, was involved in the formation of the UN, he was a lawyer and a Fabian. His advice to his comrades was that if all sovereign nations signed up to conventions and other so called international laws they could in future be used to get around sovereign nation laws.

    Former Australian prime minister John Howard was once asked about international law applying to Australia and he said only if the government of the day permits it which was the point Evatt made to his comrades when the UN was established and the opportunity presented for new world order agenda dreamed in England by Fabian socialists in the late 1800s, the organisation founded by George Bernard Shaw.

    Without any doubt if they get to control the world we would be in serious trouble, unfortunately too many younger people have little or no knowledge of the world wars, the great depression years of the early 1900s or the bad experiences of people in totalitarian countries. Here in Australia the lucky country lifestyle has made too many complacent, apathetic and blissfully unaware of how fragile democracy might be.


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    J.H.

    That is an excellent video you have linked there Simon. It is a very clearly explained presentation of the problems with Agenda 21 and highlighting the differences between the American system of inalienable property rights versus the UN’s Socialist, state granted rights. Basically Agenda 21 is an attack on America and the freedom America grants to its citizens.

    The great lie of course, is that socialism can redress the so called unsustainability of capitalism and that ecofascist policies enforced by a huge bureaucracy would improve the human condition… The truth is, as recent history has repeatedly shown us, there is absolutely nothing sustainable about Socialism and the ecofascists, as with any other fascists before them, are all about obliterating vast amounts of humans with absolutely no concern as to their condition.


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    Dennis

    I agree that they want most of us dead in the longer term so that they can save the planet. However there are a number of socialist political and capitalist forces working and each for their own purposes including wealth creation riding on the back of green interim (to slow progress down) models such as wind turbines and other so called green energy and other projects. I believe that it is an extremely complex situation and that not all of it is necessarily bad if it was not part of a plan to rule the world by a coalition with varying interests.


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    Dennis

    Maybe, but the fact remains that Gillard clearly stated that there would be no carbon tax during the 2010 election campaign and she and her comrades maintained that lie through to election day. Tony Abbott and others maintained that there was a tax agenda and were proven correct.


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    Dennis

    In Australia the media are being intimidated by Green and Labor government socialists who have conducted an inquiry and who are establishing a media watchdog using political appointees. Already journalists are being summoned, Andrew Bolt, Piers Akerman and others. Akerman was called to explain why he wrote that climate change had been shown to be fraudulent (words similar). Well I would have commenced with Climategate 1 and 2 hacked revelations. Freedom of the press is very important. Don’t forget that Senator Conroy is planning an NBN Company internet filter for the future and is one of the most vocal opposition to media, particularly the Murdoch group. What next, that we are told to shut up?


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    Dennis

    Redistribution of the wealth and bringing down ‘the wealthy’ (eg Swan’s rants against mining billionaires), all part of their new world order agenda


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    Dennis

    To start with not funding the UN and demanding that it return to doing what it was meant to do when it was established in the 1950s. In other words weed out the Fabian socialists and Greens who have made it their base.


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    Dennis

    The Australian Financial Review Thursday 7 June 2012: Former Labor leader Mark Latham wrote “Follow the money trail” and exposed the really worrying bad side of the trade union movement. You can Google to read the excellent article and wonder why a Commission has not ever been established to investigate that money trail, the sources of the money and the operation of our Italian Mafia-like organisation.


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    Gee Aye

    hmmm Biodiversity was around before Rio… before humanity even, but humanity once called it ecology.


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    Dennis

    Another Club member.


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    JMD

    What about R2P? What is it, like KFC or something?

    All joking aside, one of its progenitors is Gareth Evans, who I heard was just given the Order of Australia. What a joke.

    The Treaty of Westphalia wasn’t perfect but it was born out of the destruction of unending war & better than giving the biggest criminal organisation on the planet carte blanche to spread murder & mayhem.


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    Gee Aye

    gee but it only just scraped in… the term just predates – the concept is very old though

    he term “biodiversity” is quite a recent term, that was coined in the USA during the “National Forum on Biodiversity,” which took place in September 1986 under the patronage of the National Academy of Science and the Smithsonian Institute in Washington DC. Originally the term was derived from “biological diversity”. The word BIODIVERSITY originates from the Greek word BIOS = LIFE and Latin word DIVERSITAS = VARIETY or DIFFERENCE. The whole word BIO DIVERSITY generally therefore means: VARIETY OF LIFE. Biodiversity should serve as a keyword, which connects impartial scientific realisations and conceptions of moral values, in order to clarify the decrease of biological diversity as central problem of mankind. The contributions from the “Forum on Biodiversity” are found in the book “Biodiversity” written by E.O. WILSON (1988).

    http://www.biodiv.de


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    ExWarmist

    Hi Dennis,

    Agreed – the power elite is not Monolithic – there is no conspiracy. What unites them is methodology. It is the consistent use of the same methods over and over again to produce systems of control that gives the appearance of a monolithic united elite – however they compete with each other and alliances between them are matters of convenience only.

    The complexity arises from the necessity to unwind all the lies and hidden embedded assumptions that are part of the systems of control. By the time that you hit 20 years of age, you are already stongly indoctrinated into one or more interlocking systems of control. Realising those systems for what they are, and then escaping them is not easy and requires very real work and time to do.


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    ExWarmist

    Hi Mike,

    That is a tactically poor solution that will will only result in your death.

    Better tactics are as follows.

    [1] Withdraw to safety.
    [2] Hide your intent.
    [3] Collect with allies and increase your numbers.
    [4] Return in numbers sufficient to guarantee victory.
    [5] Crush your opponents and reacquire your land.

    You should never fight a last stand – it rarely works.


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    Kevin Moore

    Bob Massey

    I would urge people to contact their member of local, state and federal politics and ensure they do not follow or adhere to the Agenda 21 treatise in any shape or form.

    Kevin Rudd would be the ideal person to contact.

    http://www.un.org/wcm/content/site/climatechange/pages/gsp


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    Rereke Whakaaro

    Yes Tony, we know that is the game that Maxine is playing. And the diversion of conversation does work at some blogs, but not at this one.

    People have some fun with the Maxine team, pointing out all the flaws in logic, and in so doing give a little instruction to others. But others of us simply ignore the exchange and carry on with business.

    In short, Team Maxine has little impact on this blog other than wasting a few kilobytes of disk space.


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    Mike in Kentucky

    Point taken. Will duly consider. :)


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    Mark D.

    Words of wisdom.

    Street translation: Wordup

    However Ex, as soon as you “Collect with allies and increase your numbers” you begin the inevitable politicking. That eventually gets us right back where we started.


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    Mark D.

    The south WILL rise again!


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    Andrew McRae

    When you gather up your hedge clippings for disposal there is sometimes one lone branch that pierces the side of the garbage bag. The bag largely remains intact and its contents appear vague and uncertain, hinted at only by small bulges in the bag. But in this one small place, a hole lets through a small leaf and so betrays the whole payload.

    You may have found a stray leaf of the Australian branch.

    We are fast approaching the time when we will have to take out the trash.


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    Kevin Moore

    The Planet Under Pressure Board of Patrons incudes:

    Tim Flannery, Panasonic Professor of Environmental Sustainability at Macquarie University


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    MattB

    And seriously Alababa can fo f*ck itself with the local root vegetable of its choice.


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    Winston

    You can’t seriously be so naive, Matt. “Sustainability” is such a broad term without any specific concrete definition that allows it to be easily applied arbitrarily by unelected people invading anyone’s individual property rights under virtually any pretext without redress in the rule of law in the constitution of our sovereign nation. Anyone who stands in the way of the broader agenda of these faceless entities can theoretically have their property stolen, their land sequestered, their businesses shut down, or their individual liberty infringed irregardless of whether that individual or his enterprise is infringing materially upon anyone else’s freedom, safety or health. Have you never heard of safeguards against abuse of power, or do you welcome summary requisitioning of private property “in the public interest”, or closing down factories, industries or occupations on the most arbitrary whim of some bureaucrat of dubious motivation on the other side of the globe?

    Decisions ARE already made with consideration to the laws of our country- one cannot legally dump toxic waste in a dam, pollute wilfully without answering to multiple government bodies. This is merely a PRETEXT to control- the justification you use is typically facile and poorly thought out, as it is more than completely catered for within existing laws and regulations, without any need for yet another layer of governmental control supra-nationally to further strangle the lifeblood out of productive people. The best analogy would be the recent Finkelstein witch hunt which seeks to stifle conservative opinion and dissent under the PRETEXT of extra regulations needed to avoid “offending” various interest groups, even though some of those self same interest groups have repeatedly expressed opinions which are misogynistic, often overtly racist, have shown incredible religious intolerance and have shown often scant regard for the principle of “live and let live”. Yet the application of these regulations has little to do with impartiality, fairness and balance, in spite of pretensions to the contrary.

    When Julia Gillard talks about “everyone’ in Australia owning Australia’s mineral wealth and that miners or the State Governments have no right to exploit these resources as a PRETEXT for the MRRT, what is to stop the UN from applying the same principle via the sustainability ethos to the resources of Australia “belonging” to the entire world’s citizens, and that we have no sovereign rights therefore to mine any deposit of any mineral, to till any land to feed our citizens while others starve elsewhere, dam any river that might divert the water that “belongs” to the world’s oceans, fish any sea within our borders as that may deprive others? And when 6 or 7 billion people is considered “unsustainable”, which some already would argue is not, then what, Matt? Will you line up to apply the lethal injections? Who will we start with- the elderly? the infirm? the disabled? the inconvenient?


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    Mark D.

    And there you have it! The simple reason that one world controlling body will not work and must be stopped dead:

    Because some AsssHOOOLE in Australia thinks he can tell the good people of Alabama what to stick and where (and probably try to tax them on the way).

    Why don’t you and Ross James get together and throw your own vegetable party. Stay the F out of my business.


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    MattB

    ICLEI really is a great organisation.


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    MattB

    Lol are you really in Alabama. Then follow your own advice and p*ss off from this aussie website.

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    REPLY: I take back everything I said about Matt being a real person living in Perth and graduating from the same uni as me. It’s too embarrassing. ;-( — Jo


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    Wendy

    Somehow I don’t think it’s up to you as to who posts here, MattB..
    Maybe you can take your own advice tho?
    Cheers!


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    Angry

    Check if your Local Council has BETRAYED you and signed up to this Agenda21 (sustainability) COMMUNISM……..

    ICLEI – Local Governments for Sustainability : Global Members

    http://www.iclei.org/index.php?id=11454


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