UPDATE: It appears ANZ is not feeling apologetic or likely to cave in to green threats. ANZ chief executive Mike Smith, has delivered a savage attack on Julia Gillard, declaring her party was part of the “weak government club” of the world.
Greenpeace have produced a hit job on the ANZ Bank: a (fairly) slick production designed to seriously hurt the bank’s brand name, and to make it harder for coal miners to raise funds (which ultimately makes it harder for the poorest in society to pay their electricity bills).
This is why I insist: Yes, this IS about the science. Even if we defeat the tax and trading scheme, as long as the public think “carbon is pollution” any honest business or business working with them will be subject to this bullying. Coal provides about three quarters of all Australian electricity. Yes, we need to get rid of the pollutants in coal production, but carbon dioxide is not one of them.
We are carbon life forms. There is no evidence that the climate models are right, and that CO2 emissions hurt the planet. Greenpeace could attack the coal industry because of poor safety standards, or because of other pollutants released, but instead they pursue their religious convictions. That’s why this is a witchhunt.
Greenpeace took in €200 million in 2009 (page 31 of their annual report) which is $280m USD. They have become the big corporation they so despised. (And so much for transparency, there did not appear to be a list of contributors in the annual report).
In the end this kind of knifing could turn out to help us. After an attack like this, ANZ will be more open to hearing the other side of the science. Sooner or later the green elements will have made so many enemies that businesses and people everywhere will rise up to put an end to the intimidation based on assumptions, guesses, and predetermined conclusions.
h/t Gregory R
The climate druids simply can’t help making mistakes — Splattergate, frightening TV ads for children, the Planet Slayer website, global warming nursery rhymes, and yes, I agree that this serial toe-curling behaviour has damaged their holy cause to quite an extent (as polls worldwide show).
But they won’t quit; they can’t do so because their stance is an emotional rather than rational one, and to disavow AGW would be to kick away an important psychic pillar on which many of these people depend.
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Looks like ANZ havn’t been paying their ‘protection’ money.
P.S. Is this legal?
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Given that the bulk of that $280 millon goes to advertising it’s not suprising the MSM give them their full support.
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This is disgusting. Surely someone will parody this to flick it right back at them.
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One solution to their problem, as George Monbiot notes, is to embrace nuclear power instead of coal. However, I can imagine a Greenpeace ad with a three-eyed fish and people glowing in the dark already!
http://www.monbiot.com/2011/04/04/evidence-meltdown/
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If you want to read the governments propaganda re Climate Change, go to the following:-
“Science – facts and Fiction” “Where can I Find Reliable Information About Climate Science?”
http://www.climate-change/myths/science.aspx
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Oh dear, my daughter saw this ad and now she won’t go to the bank with me because she thinks they keep coal in there and she will have to sit in a room full of smoke with a mask on.
I might have to sue because this has traumatised her. One example how Greenpeace has crossed the line!
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@5 Should be:-
http://www.climatechange.gov.au/climate-change/myths/science.aspx
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Andrew Bolt Strikes back we will finally have a voice on the TV.
Ten has confirmed it will launch a new Sunday morning program, The Bolt Report, hosted by Herald Sun journalist Andrew Bolt on 8 May.
The Bolt Report will air at 10am, before Meet the Press, Ten’s existing political program which will move to 10.30am.
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I would love to see the full force of the Whole Banking Sector take on Greenpeace over this as it affects them all – it’s a golden opportunity to finally squash the Greenpeace Organisation via the courts.
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Anyone have a good reply to this claim from a Warmist?
“Satellite data for the last thirty years shows that the amount of heat (long wave radiation) leaving the Earths atmosphere into space has decreased, exactly the wave length absorbed by CO2 so the argument is over. ”
Does he have a valid point or is he talking through his hat?
[“Harries et al.” He has a point, but not the numbers. Yes there is more CO2 up there. Yes, the wavelengths are absorbed. No this does not tell us anything that we didn’t already know. This is only “1.2 degrees” at most. To get a disaster we need positive feedback to amplify things up to 3 or 4 degrees, and this is not evidence of that, it’s only evidence of CO2’s direct effect. Yawn. — Jo]
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sorry Jo but the enemy of my enemy can still be my enemy. If greenpeace and the banks want to slug it out I will be cheering from the sideline but not taking a side.
[I’m taking the side of logic, manners and evidence. 🙂 –J]
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Sorry mods if this is a bit off topic. Greg Combet was jeered and heckled at a meeting of Port Kembla steelworkers yesterday about the carbon dioxide tax. It is deifficult to adequately describe the anger and contempt that is prevailing in the Illawarra region against the Gillard governments attempt to impose what the Grattan Institute has estimated will probably be an $84 dollar a tonne price increase on Australian steel in the form of a carbon dioxide tax. We are struggling to remain competative with Chinese and Indian steel mills that dont have a price on carbon dioxide emissions. In blast furnace steel making there is simply no alternative technology or carbon dioxide abatement startaegies to eleiminate carbon dioxide form steelmaking. The Port kembla steelworks emits about 11% of the total carbon dioxide emissions in New South Wales. About 10,000 workers are either employed directly of indirectly in steelmaking in our region. Another 3,000 are employed in coal mining. The employment multiplier in the community is about 1:2. We also have the highest youth unemployment in the country. But the science is critical to this issue. An organization has been formed called Illawarra Against Carbon Tax (I ACT). We are organizing a public meeting with Professor Bob Carter speaking on Wednesday 11 May at 7.00pm at Pioneer Hall in Church Street Wollongong (free admission). We will be handing out leaflets exposing the warmist CAGW sham in the main shopping centres starting this Saturday. No one should underestimate the courage of those steelworkers who took Combet on yesterday. He is a former ACTU Secretary and they defied the pressures and intimidation of their union officials who were poresent at the meeting. Howse is simply a liar. Jobs will inevitably be lost if the tax is imposed. I hope it is not inappropriate to use this forum to urge all people of open and critical minds to attend the public meeting. If you wish to assist with organizing, tweeting, emailing and leafleting you can contact I ACT on 0410617850 or 42742211. For our troubles we have been called Hansonites (and worse), had a community blog site closed down and a community radio program threatened to be closed down but we are ubdeterred. I ACT is open to people of all political persuasions ALP, Libs, Nats, Greens (yes we have one of them) comms (and we have a few of them as well). We are a non-party political community action group. Help if you can.
The link I posted this morning appears to be down. Here is the article appearing in the Illawarra Mercury this morning 7/04/2011
Fiery steelworkers confront Combet on carbon tax
BY BEN LANGFORD
07 Apr, 2011 04:00 AM
Steelworkers worried about the impact of a carbon tax gave Climate Change Minister Greg Combet a fiery reception when he visited Port Kembla yesterday.
At a meeting of union members also attended by Australian Workers Union (AWU) leaders, many workers were frustrated at the uncertainty.
BlueScope has said the tax could threaten the future of its Port Kembla operations.
Mr Combet, a former head of the ACTU, told BlueScope workers the details of an assistance package to help the company pay for its pollution permits were being finalised.
“We will talk as much as necessary and provide as much support as we can to make sure BlueScope is competitive,” Mr Combet said.
But he had not been speaking long before the first interjections came, and many more questions followed from workers wanting information on the carbon price system.
“Can you tell us right now what the figure’s going to be?” steelworks operator Claudio Morales asked. “How can you say you support [us] when you haven’t got a figure?”
Others feared their jobs might be at risk, or were angry the Government changed its position after the election.
“We’ve always got to bite the bullet on difficult reforms,” Mr Combet responded.
“We’ve had them before; this is another one.”
After the meeting Mr Combet said BlueScope and its workers faced other problems aside from a carbon tax.
“The fundamental issue at the steelworks is really not about carbon pricing, although I understand the pressures that that can create.
“The fundamental issue here is the value of the Australian dollar … and also the high commodity prices.
“That’s what’s causing concern within BlueScope about their steel operation, nothing to do with the carbon price.”
AWU national secretary Paul Howes said the union would not support a carbon pricing scheme if it cost the jobs of any of its members.
“We believe steel is a core component of what we are as a country, because we believe Australia should be a country that makes things,” he said.
But Mr Howes said the carbon tax was “inevitable”.“I’m not going to enter into a debate about whether it’s right or not; it’s just a reality.”
BlueScope’s chief executive of Australian and New Zealand steel manufacturing, Noel Cornish, insisted the tax would not reduce emissions.
“A carbon tax on Australian-produced steel is fine if China, Korea, India, Russia, America, Brazil and others are paying a similar tax to us,” Mr Cornish said.
“At this stage they are not.”
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They should make a movie slash ad about this article
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mumbai/Nearly-80-of-mango-crop-ruined-by-climate-change/articleshow/7879886.cms
Its got everything a great PR campaign needs, unnatural freezing followed by unnatural warm spells, assumptions, speculation, a hint of financial hardship and of course the obligatory unrealistic typo……enjoy.
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There is a typo in the heading of this article, a hint for the warmbots its the letter “H”.
http://www.winebusiness.com/news/?go=getArticle&dataid=85900
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Is global warming to blame?
http://www.bridgwatermercury.co.uk/news/8953181.Crowd_gather_at_town_bridge/
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Shocking, yet again. They are talking about carbon dioxide pollution, yet the girl with the gas mask is breathing out the stuff! The public are not going to buy that.
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CRIMINAL. lock em up for fraud! Scamsters!
Its not a belief system it fraudulent and provable!
Lock up the IPCC lock up Mann arrest Gore!
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It’s a bit more subtle than the 10:10 video but it is still just as bad.
Maybe this type of thing will wake up corporate Australia.
I don’t know how long it will take but the way the Green movement is going it will eventually rebound on them in a big way. I believe mainstream enviromentalists should be worried.
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Lets put this advertisement into perspective.
One of the more telling arguments against a carbon tax is that it will force up prices for electricity, transport, manufacturing, et cetera, which will indirectly increase commodity prices, thus having more relative impact on those at the lower end of the socio-economic scale – the very people who tend to vote Labour.
Organisations, like Greenpeace, have been prepared to risk the domestic downside in the belief that the tax will result in making the mining companies non-competitive internationally.
But what they have failed to realise is that mining companies have long term forward contracts with international buyers, and these contracts usually have fixed pricing formulae. So all of the tax would need to be passed on to the domestic sector — something that is not sustainable.
Taking that into account, and looking at the real poll results, the environmentalist will have figured out that the current carbon tax strategy is actually a lose-lose situation for them, in the longer term.
So the second string of the environmentalist attack on the mining companies is to try and damage their capacity to raise and maintain a sufficient level of working capital. Hence this attack on the banking sector.
Military strategy often attempts to weaken a strong and capable opposing force by mounting indirect attacks on, and causing disruption to, its supply lines. And in business, one of the key supply lines is finance for working capital.
I expect this advert to be just the opening salvo, in what could be a long and bloody battle. We will have to wait to see if the ANZ can keep its nerve.
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If we want to vent our anger at this then lobby the banks. They are the target of this campaign, not only support them but encourage them to take on this rabid group who have dictated to us, like a saviour on high, about our natural world as if they know all about it!
Imagine how much further we’d be if we had put all the energy we spent learning that the South Australian barking shrike was somehow linked to climate change into renewable energy systems, or sustainable agriculture, or …..the list is long.
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Excellent article Joanne.
There will be a back lash against Greenpeace, make no mistake about it, they are getting their own message out, they are the scum of the earth.
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What a disgusting advertisement. It puts ANZ on a par with drug dealers. If it wasn’t for all the suffering it would cause to innocent people, I would love to see ANZ and all other financial institutions pull the finance from the coal industry on the strength of that advertisement. Then when the whole of Australia is suffering power outages, other industries go broke and the public have no utilities, we could demonstrate the sort of world Greenpeace is advocating.
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Not sure if ANZ fits the category of “big bank”. But if they consider they do, maybe they’ve decided they stand to profit more from trading hot air than they’ll loose from serving businesses in the real economy?
I for one hope they consider themselves to be still part of the real economy.
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This is just a ‘get out of jail(sic) free’ card for the banksters. “Look at how the climate change lobby treated us. We’re innocent!” I’m sure the bigwigs upstairs at ANZ are cackling among themselves. Muhahahahah! Muhahahah! Muhahahahahahahahaha!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7edeOEuXdMU
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Somebody should alert Greenpeace to The Real Ross Garnaut There’s a lot more to chew on at garnaut inc than ANZ! The patronising lectures we’ve had to endure from this man about the science and his economic remedies for “carbon pollution” are more alarming than global warming itself, especially when stacked against his record in PNG.
Jo you are absolutely right to keep attacking the science. The Garnauts of this world have no answers.
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*sough splutter snort*
excuse me while I choke at this criticism of Greenpeace from Jo “I hate banks” Nova! The hypocrisy is astounding. And of course will be ignored by the howling masses.
some random highlights:
http://joannenova.com.au/2010/09/deutsche-bank-a-wunch-of-bankers/
“bankers really want us to trade carbon” http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/debunk/skepticalscience/The%20Unskeptical%20Guide%20to%20the%20Skeptics%20Handbook.pdf
“Who would trust this bank?”
“vested industry of financial brokers”
“while Greenpeace defends Wall St”
“bankers take a slice both ways”
“Banks are keen to be seen as good corporate citizens (look, there’s an environmental banker!), but somehow they don’t find the idea of a non-tradable carbon tax as appealing as a trading scheme where financial middlemen can take a cut. (For banks that believe in the carbon crisis, taxes may well “help the planet,” but they don’t pay dividends.)”
“The stealthy mass entry of the bankers and traders poses a major force”
“trumped by Big-Banking”
“played for patsies by bankers who want the profits”
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All banks are the same. To single one out for punishment (my Bank) is extremely unfair. I remember their scare campaign at Copenhagen, the Pacific Islands and the Maldives are still above water, the oceans have not claimed them.
Over the years, Greenpeace has become irrelevant.
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[…] movement have been talking about keeping our focus on the economic impacts of the carbon Tax. This post from Jo Nova suggests we should be doing exactly the opposite and ramping up the debate on the […]
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Call me cynical but…
What’s the bet that the link to the Greenpeace site has a conspicuous “pay here” spot? For a bunch of socialists, they sure catch on pretty fast to some aspects of capitalism!
Cheers,
Speedy.
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Conolly @ 11
congratulations and all power to you guys for your courageous stance
If I lived closer I’d certainly want to be involved but from Queensland I don’t see how I could contribute much
But if you think otherwise let me know
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Jo,
How much propaganda have you witnesses through all this AGW scam?
Must be thousands of hours. Yet something clicked that there was something wrong. Correct?
So far the billions of dollars spent has only generated more distrust for anyone pushing the global warming fiasco and any politician on board.
Following just strictly temperature to generate a prediction was never a very bright idea. Yet it has left behind many a good advancement in out knowledge base for a pile of garbage.
You really want to know what is cooling this planet?
The atmospheric pressure has slowly dropped, this has allowed salt to come to the surface through the planets centrifugal force and is blocking solar penetration in the oceans.
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Bluescope Steel [BS] was approached to help fund a tour by scientists who oppose AGW and a carbon tax but declined because they were working well with the government on the issue.
This reaction by BS is typical of corporate Australia which from my reading has been cowed by green and left bullying.
With the pro-AGW groups outspending the anti-AGW side by thousands to one it is amazing that scepticism is still growing in the general population; but until big business takes a measured stand which goes beyond immediate self-interest [such as opposing the mining tax] the carbon tax and AGW generally will continue to fester along like the animated corpse it is.
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Mentioning Greenpeace, readers may be interested in checking out the following link:
http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2011/04/greenpeace-co-founder-global-warming-is.html
Greenpeace co-founder, Patrick Moore, who subsequently abandoned the organization after he realized it had been infiltrated with political activists rather than true environmentalists, calls it as it is: ‘Global warming is obviously a natural phenomenon’.
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@MattB (25)
I cetrainly have to give you at least half a point for effort.
Remember Richard Branson, and the ‘Macquarie are a load of Bankers’ livery he had painted on one of the Virgin planes.
Point – Eveyone, even billionairs, at some time in their lives, have had, or will have a bad experience with a bank.
If you havn’t, and you are not under 18 years old, then I might have a CFO position open for you. 🙂
@Connolly (11) – Off Topic
Not surprised mate, I ran some numbers last week, and based on Maquarie research figures of ONLY:
$15 per tonne CO2 AND 90% compensation
It would, by my calculation, cost Bluescope Steel $178 million per year, and this on top of a $55 million LOSS for Bluescpoe this HALF YEAR alone.
Jobs cannot be safe on these numbers.
@scaper (6)
If this is totally legit about you daughter scaper, then write to Mike Smith, CEO ANZ Bank, and label it ‘personal, private and confidential’.
At least that way it should at least reach his secretary or PA.
@ME
Time for my thoughts.
The Greenpeace AD reminded me of a cigarette commercial and is probably indicative of what we should expect from the ALP in any pro Carbon Tax advertising campaign.
The Banks, whilst they may not be happy about the Greenpeace AD, will not overtly support a sceptical campaign, but they might just hold some minor (and maybe indirect) sway over a few of the media players by virtue of loans, advertising, company ratings leverage etc.
It is the media that we need – not the banks.
DID YOU KNOW:
That in 1965, 25% of our Energy came from Renewables
That between the two forms of CO2 accounting (Kyoto and UNFCCC) there is a 127 Million Tonne CO2 BLACK HOLE. (as of 2008)
That if we use Kyoto, as the only agreement we are bound to, then we could buy International Credits to cover ALL our CO2 emmissions for ONE HUNDREDTH of THE PRICE that the Government will raise in a Carbon Tax.
Scary eh!
And yes MattB, and all other doubters – I do have the UN, Kyoto and Goverment figures to prove it.
Lobby the Pollies, Lobby the Banks
TOGETHER – We CAN Beat this TAX
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“That if we use Kyoto, as the only agreement we are bound to, then we could buy International Credits to cover ALL our CO2 emmissions for ONE HUNDREDTH of THE PRICE that the Government will raise in a Carbon Tax.
Scary eh!
And yes MattB, and all other doubters – I do have the UN, Kyoto and Goverment figures to prove it.”
you’ll get no arguments from me that a trading scheme is better than a tax. The blog hostess disagrees with you though… as it bring those nasty banks in to play.
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@MattB (33)
No Trading Scheme needed, (it would probably cost less than Kevin 747’s airfares).
BTW, did you notice that the grattan Institute Totally screwed up their figures yesterday.
GL
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Hypocrisy? Haha. Good try Mattb. Try this on. Anyone who targets any business or person with attacks designed to hurt them, ought to be able to justify their attack with logic reason and evidence. Greenpeace can’t. (You know it).
I have never said “I hate banks”. (Apology accepted). If you’d come to the rallies you’d have heard me say: I can hardly blame banks for wanting to trade carbon, if I was a shareholder I’d be mad at them if they weren’t.
From Climate Money: Not surprisingly banks are doing what banks should do: they’re following the promise of profits, and hence urging governments to adopt carbon trading. Even though banks are keen to be seen as good corporate citizens, somehow they don’t find the idea of a non‐tradable carbon tax as appealing. It might “help the planet,” but it won’t help their balance sheets.
Sure banks are dishonest when they pretend to care for the environment, and they aren’t interested in any eco-topic other than the one they can trade.
If Greenpeace were pointing out the health hazards to poor workers who are coal mining in the third world say, I’d agree with Greenpeace too.
Mattb I’m just pointing out the bleeding obvious, (I want honesty, logic and manners) you’re the one trying to box the world into “Good” or “Evil”.
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LOL…. Coal. The new Asbestos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nah, GreenFleece… WE are just SO over you. Blow it out yer arse. Nobody’s listening.
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Jo, On another subject, are you going to comment on the prime time final episode of How Earth Made Us? Aired by ABC on 5th April.
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@MattB
As an adjunct to Jo Novas comment at (35).
RE: the Banks approach to a Carbon Tax.
“They don’t find the idea of a non‐tradable carbon tax as appealing. It might “help the planet,” but it won’t help their balance sheets.”
Westpac is a Bank, It bought up nearly all the Carbon Permits in New Zealand at the start of the New Zealand ETS.
What really sickens me is that Gail Kelly (CEO Westpac) is virtually held up by Sky News (Ashley Gillon) as being a savior in our “Carbon Polluted” world and is held in the same reverence, (by the same news channel) as Ross Garnaut.
God, or Allah, or some other deity, please save us from these media cretins.
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@ Jo Nova + MattB (38 + 35)
Mattb I’m just pointing out the bleeding obvious, (I want honesty, logic and manners) you’re the one trying to box the world into “Good” or “Evil”.
Jo
I am sorry, but I have to defend MattB here, he has answered all my posts with, Honesty, Logic and Manners.
A differing veiwpoint is extremely valuable, because without it we know nothing of our opposition.
The way you two bicker at each other, and the comments regarding honesty and manners, remind me of the arguaments I have had with my wife over the years.
There is only one cause – ‘No Carbon Tax’
We all need to all work on that.
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Matt, in Sports – I always root for my team. I want them to win every game! But not by cheating. Because then I know they are not the best and do not deserve it.
Jo is right and you appear to be a situational ethics person. Just because she does not like some bank practices does it mean she has to root for their destruction because of lies and deceit. You on the other hand appear to be of the family that the ends justify the means. Which is not surprising, but it is saddening. It is indicative of Greenpeace and the whole Warmists movement. The truth is the first casualty, and your morality is second.
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That is one outrageous video.
Why doesn’t somebody on our side make a video showing the green hell we’d be living under if the greens get their ways?
We’ve got a lot to work with, carbon cards that dictate our shopping, eating, and other things we do in our lives, living in high density urban dwellings while our suburban neighborhoods have been gutted of their useful resources (copper pipe and wiring, etc) and are now rotting away, riding crowded mass transit packed like sardines among a bunches of gang bangers, a global government controlling our countries, redistribution of our wealth, technology, and tech know how, the power going out when a cloud passes over or the wind stops blowing…
We’ve got a LOT to show how bad it would get under their vision. Why doesn’t somebody make a video about it?
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TrueNews, of course it’s not true. My twelve year old is smarter than that. She reckons the Greens are idiots and throws socks at the TV when Gillard is on!
A good summation of the modern day Greens by two founders.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/founding-fathers-turn-on-urban-greens/story-fn59niix-1226035658080
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I wonder if ANZ has any banking clients who plant forests?
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I suggest exerts from the following video with Patrick Moore, or something similar.
http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/4503674/greenpeace-founder-questions-global-warming
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I didn’t see Green Peace in the video, I saw another bigger bank looking for a takeover candidate. I wonder how much of a “donation” a big corporate bank would need to make to Greenpeace for a little henchman work?
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Jo
Now here’s a great target for Greenpeace There’s been a lot of talk about carbon market rorts in Europe but it seems that fake Carbon Offset deals have been happening here in Australia right under our noses.
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7scaper…:
April 7th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
Anything Goes – in the name of ‘Saving the Planet’ it seems. Scaring kids is one their favourite strategies, used time & again.
Can you imagine if thes nutjobs got into power ? Chilling !
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Please watch the video again.
Only this time, instead of the lovely lady behind the counter, think of Ross Garnaut.
And instead of ANZ, the sign reads “OK Tedi Mining”.
And instead of useful lumps of coal, imagine a trropical river choked with mine tailings and dead fish.
And ask yourself why Greenpeace says nothing about a real problem, and blames a bank for an imaginary one.
Cheers,
Speedy
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Can I suggest that people have a peruse of this web site as it seems very informative.
Green Hell:-
http://greenhellblog.com/
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Out of curisority does anyboy have an email address for this Ross Garnaut???????
I wold love to send hime some “information”……..
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kramer:@44
Try this one and shudder….
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John: April 7th, 2011 at 3:19 pm,
Good article by Monbiot on the Green scare campaign over nuclear energy. However, this paragraph of his is typically outrageous:
“Failing to provide sources, refuting data with anecdote, cherry-picking studies, scorning the scientific consensus, invoking a cover-up to explain it: all this is horribly familiar. These are the habits of climate change deniers, against which the green movement has struggled valiantly, calling science to its aid. It is distressing to discover that when the facts don’t suit them, members of this movement resort to the follies they have denounced.”
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Val@31
Thanks for the support mate. We have been ignored by the MSM for a while now. You might have noticed that the national MSM did not report the shellacking that Combet and Howse copped from the Port Kembla steelworkers. But they did report the media stunt of the ACTU pro-tax petition. Just distributing the report in Queensland would be great. Particularly if anyone can get the message to the coalminers up there would be tremendous. There is a rank and file revolt occuring amongst unionists who see their leaderships selling them out at the bidding of their ALP political masters. By the way the Greens in our region have gone to ground on this issue. However there is real intimidation for anyone who speaks out. Cohenite reports that Bluescope was intimidated. Imagine how a steelworker must feel speaking out? We can beat them with grass roots organising and a campaign based on honesty and the science.
TrueNews@35
Is it possible to get a link for that mate? Important stuff for us. Much appreciated.
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Jo,
It’s not all about the science anymore. Why do you keep saying that? You’ve already won the scientific debate a hundred times and they don’t give a damn.
The climate debate as the Gillard/Brown government conducts it is about demagogy utilizing classic propaganda techniques primarily based on the Orwellian manipulation of language and control of the media and is funded by watermelon NGO’s to spew lies, fear and hate so odious that it would it make Herman Goring blush with pride.
It’s about fair dinkum but angry Aussie battlers fighting for the Truth versus the big Climate Lie design to cover up the Green/lLabor power grab our very lives. Science is never about truth and lies, only politics can be about the moral struggle to defeat iniquity and nefarious frauds.
It’s all about a tooth and nail fight for the Truth. Australia’s future, our very children’s future and our civil liberties are on the line. If we lose this battle and the Labor/Green regime consolidates behind this victory to take the next election, our future will be a very bleak place indeed.
The Green/Labor conspiracy has hijacked the language in order to ditch the science. Catastrophic AGW, a falsifiable hypothesis has been transmogrified in the phantasm of Climate Change. Carbon Dioxide, the natural trace gas living animals produce during respiration has been degraded into the nonsense of Carbon Pollution. A regressive tax and wealth redistribution policy design to render whole sectors of the economy and the population totally dependent on labor/Green government handouts is labelled “our moral duty to tackle climate change.” Rational scepticism is dehumanized as Denialism. The political opposition are smeared as violent and extremists. The Greens have hijacked the language with lies as a deliberate frontal assault on us and our children. The Greens know if they steal our language they will have stolen the Australian’s public ability to think rationally.
The Greens and Labor elites know they’re lying. It’s only a means to an end. The only way to defeat a political monstrosity is with the truth. The whole truth, not just the science bit, but the brutal Machiavellian lust for power that lies behind the climate fraud must be revealed as well. The science is part of that process, but it’s no longer what the dark depths of this debate are about. It’ much, much bigger than that now.
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Kevin @8,
I took a look at the Propaganda site. Straight out of the team, IPCC and Hansen. Every thing from the hot spot which they claim is there to the stealing of e-mails from the UEA. Stealing? There was an excellent rebuttal of the “stolen” meme showing how it would be virtually impossible to steal that quantity of e-mail from a secure facility without leaving traces of the theft and the perpertrator. The CSIRO is no doubt totally corrupt.
I’d advise all the readers here to have a look at what the CSIRO considers the current state of climate science. They have no credibility now and will have even less when the truth is finally exposed to the Australian public.
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Wes in 57… have you thought of a career in stand-up comedy?
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I have the Contact Details for the scumbag ross GUANO (garnaut):-
http://www.rossgarnaut.com.au/Contact.html
Send him your thoughts about how ANGRY you are with him !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Wes George @ 57
The science is still critical because the travesty that is the man made global warming hypothesis is the grounding of the politics. They have lost the political debate. Its now about intimidation and hegemony. Howse told his union members that he wouldn’t talk about whether the tax was right or wrong! This is statement of utter corruption and immorality. So thousands of decent hard working people see their livelihoods and futures being junked and their “leader” says he wont contenance the issue of whether that is right or wrong. This is where the issue of the science is critical. All of this for a hypothesis based on shaky data and a methodology that is flawed? When workers finally understand, after they have been given the opportunity to weigh up rationally what is behind this threat to their jobs and standard of living, their disgust and anger will take care of the politics in the Labor (broken) heart land.
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Connolly @ 56 I’ve passed your comment along to my contacts and asked for as much publicity as they can give you – I’ve given the link so hope that achieves some results
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Thanks so much Val.
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In 2009 the United Nations designated April 22nd International Mother Earth Day.
Margaret Mead…..”EARTH DAY is the first holy day which transcends all national borders……”
April 22nd is the birthday of Vladimir Lenin – whose name appears alongside Karl Marx in the production of the Communist Manifesto.
See:- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_Day
See also the Book titled, “The United Nations – The Fearful Master”
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wes george: #57
Way to go Wes.
Also, propaganda can only exist when people don’t recognise it for what it is.
Some of it is very good stuff – the reference to “Carbon Pollution” did not come about gradually, but suddenly was the Labour Party (and fellow travellers) meme, overnight – it was decided and promulgated, and put on the collective song-sheet. The words have resonance, and it was well orchestrated. Full marks for that.
Some of it is bloody awful, like this advert, for example. You would have to be particularly thick to think that a bank would have a hole in the wall behind a pot plant, or kept coal in a cupboard. You would also have to question how or why a young girl would see what was there, but imagine something different, unless of course she had been previously preconditioned to associate indoor plants with smokestacks, and eco-bulbs with coal.
Pointing out that propaganda is propaganda, whether good or bad, is one technique to nullify it. Over time, people will learn to recognise it for themselves, so it actually becomes less effective. The propagandists have to therefore try harder, and so it gets easier to spot, and therefore ignore.
Second military maxim on this thread: You can not win a war solely by aerial bombardment – tried by both sides in the second world war, and it failed both times. You cannot win an argument solely by propaganda – tried by both sides during the cold war, and it constantly failed.
The west did not win the cold war, the Soviet system just collapsed under its own weight.
The Green vision will also collapse under its own weight – eventually. But I, for one, would prefer not to go through the process of getting to that point.
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The more I think about this the worse it smells.
Why is ANZ being singled out, all banks fund heavy industry and mining. ANZ is not even a particularly big bank (as far as banks go)
There is more to this than meets the eye, much much more.
I’m wondering if these people have finally completely lost the plot and are engaging in obvious blackmail.
This sort of behaviour has earned them money from major corporations for decades but in the past they have has been more subtle.
Has the ANZ refused to donate? Are they being singled out as an example to the others?
They would be ideal for this purpose they are reasonably well known but they are not a major international bank of the size that could prove to be dangerous to corporation as large as Greenpeace.
If you’re running a protection racket and you want to set an example, this is the size business you choose, big enough to be noticed it not so big as to be a dangerous enemy.
It will be interesting to see how ANZ responds will they roll over and pay up, or will they stand and fight.
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“The Green vision will also collapse under its own weight – eventually.”
If you ask most pundits it is the western/capitalistic vision that is teetering on the edge of oblivion. 2008 GFC came very close indeed. And I’m a capitalist.
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Matt b: #67
I did not say that the current form of capitalism would survive. In fact the original form of capitalism, held up to be the American ideal, has not existed for some time, if it ever did.
This fight is for the control of resources, and it that respect the Greens and the “Capitalists” are almost indistinguishable.
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If they are indistinguishable, do you think this Greenpeace Ad is just a bit of a front a la Julia and Bob?
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Matt b @ 67
Gee Matt you joined up the dots. And given that round two of the crisis is just about to hit the US economy (and therefore the rest of us) you reckon a 5% carbon dioxide emission reduction target driven by a punishing tax (its purpose is punitive) which will entail a massive infrastructure rebuilding on a scale never achieved before in Australia is going to survive? Yep right. As the great philospher Darryl Kerrigan said “Tell him he’s dreaming”
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Connolly
Andrew Bolt has a post today
For some bizarre reason, the leaders of the far-Left CFMEU – a union representing miners – has tried to persuade its members that backing the anti-coal Greens and demanding action to “stop” global warming will make them better off, rather than cost them their jobs:
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/miners_arent_turkeys_voting_for_christmas/#commentsmore
Aren’t Unions supposed to have the interest of their members as their main priority? At the moment they’re just being a mouthpiece of Government
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OT but still interesting….
90% of Rob Oakeshott’s electorate DON’T want carbon tax ABC news
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-RgHKK9h_w
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Wes: OF course, science is just the tool for power and money, and this fight is about manners, reasoning, lies and truth, and vested interests,. It’s about rescuing the english language from orwellian decay. But if we ignore the science we give up one of the four pillars of the West’s success. We concede defeat and might as well get ready to be bludgeoned with the next fake scare.
It’s only when people understand the science that they see just how many lies have been told.
Mattb: You blame capitalism, but there is no free market in the one commodity that matters most: money. The price of money (the interest rate) is set by an unelected committee. They set it too low for two decades, the easy money fueled the boom. The bust is coming. Don’t blame capitalism for what centralized control created.
TrueNews #42: Matt does have manner and honesty, and that’s why I’m very grateful he comments here.
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Val@71
Maher has never worked in the mining industry (he came from the old crane drivers union) or lived in a coal mining community. Spent the last two decades in a union office ekeing out a comfortable existence of deal making and saying yes at the right times. Like Howse the sweat of labour from working on a blast furnace (or anywhere) has never crossed his unfurrowed brow. The point is that these leaders are out of touch with their members. Maher and Howse will do whatever the ALP machine tells them. Unfortunately in Australia it is not law that union officials are fiduciaries. If it was they would be out of business and office. They have held the line for the ALP but as Paul Keating once said their members will have a say in all this. At the ballot box.
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“TrueNews #42: Matt does have manner and honesty, and that’s why I’m very grateful he comments here.”
I’m going to print this and show it to mum, who tends to prefer “Matt’s an opinionated and argumentative smart ass.”
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Also – I didn’t blame capitalism… I just pointed out it almost collapsed. COuld you imagine the chaos if the government (elected committee) set the interest rate! Hint – it would not be higher:)
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“The modern environmental movement arose out of the wreckage of the new left.
They call themselves Green because they’re too yellow to admit they’re really reds.
So Lenins birthday was chosen to be the date of Earth Day….”.
Quoted from GREENIE WATCH.
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I strongly suggest anyone who hasn’t should follow the link to Flannery’s interview with The Guardian. Flannery is widely regarded in Australia as a fool, but what he is outlining is a system of social control which we otherwise know as totalitarianism, which cannot exist without the emasculation of personal freedom. To put it bluntly, Flannery is proposing a left-wing 21st century global version of Hitler’s Third Reich. And we thought Fascism could never happen again. But, 80 years after the terrible original — and 70 years after novelist George Orwell prophesised it — it is again being incubated in what we like to call a democracy. By an Australian. In a nation with the world’s most healthy distrust of authority. Mark my words: at some stage, Flannery and people like him will have to be FOUGHT to preserve our civilisation. In the meantime, as Jo says, we must ensure the climate warming debate focuses on the science.
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@70. Good points worthy of following through a lot more.
China has ~30 cars per 1000 people. Australia has about 1000 per 1000. For China to re-invent their base energy, despite its massive size and consuption, is relative much easier than it would eb in Australia.
Australia has ~90% base load reliant on coal and gas. Oddly enough, we export ~75% of it all. China is not a net exporter, yet they have even more coal than we do. The fears that price fossil fuels go through the roof may be justified, due to limit supply-ERS not through limit supply. There’s plenty of coal, oil, and gas to last several hundred years yet. In due course, we will have resolved the alternative energy sources, so no need to jump into so much pain in this decade or three.
The main reason the French went to nuclear is because they had no other alternatives at all. Renewables is not about efficiency or GHG emission causing CAGW.
I look forward to the day where most folk realise CO2 gas is not blamed and perhaps even that Greenhouse gases is called a THEORY only – there’s actually no such thing, its a misnomer only.
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[…] Greenpeace: witchhunters with $280m dollars to spend […]
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If you want to understand the Greens you have to go to the source of their information.
In issue 88 of the International Socialism Journal, published Autumn 2000 there is an article titled “Why Green is red: Marxism and the threat to the environment”. by Paul McGarr.
What you hear today is just a repetition of the falsehoods in this article.
http://pubs.socialistreviewindex.org.uk/isj88/mcgarr.htm
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Hi Jo et al,
This is not new, they just reckon ANZs a soft touch, they had a crack at ANZ over Gunn’s in Tasmania. Successfully I think.
Whether you like banks or don’t isn’t the issue, it’s a form of emotional blackmail, Greenpeace aka Penelope Pitstop and ANZ aka Snidely Whiplash. Pretending to be heroes by bank bashing.
There are good parts of the environmental movement and ordinary parts, in my opinion Greenpeace is just a socialist alliance front nowadays, where in previous decades at the beginning it was quite laudable.
It’s cartoon heroism nothing more nothing less, but I really would like to see transparent accounting as to their donations and where they are spent.
They really are quite immature. I find the use of children in this debate inexcusable almost as much as the post normal (false) science and dodgy accounting masquerading as economics.
They more they lose credibility, the more they use bully tactics, next they will be explosives.
Nice blog jo.
John, a former ANZ Bank Manager 11 years ago. (he he)
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Wes George #57
Got it nailed in just 6 paragraphs. You’re good.
My big concern is the apparent lack of participation in this
whole debate by the young. Passionate student debate was a part
of life not too long ago, for issues real or perceived. Can anyone
imagine the change of political landscape if the climategate tapes
had been released 30 years ago ? Yet 18 months later….
(I will admit under extreme torture that I used to support Greenpeace, but it was a long time ago, and I swear they were honest
then. Yes really )
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G/Machine the youth are possibly dissillusioned by the example set by the generation that would have revolted 30 years ago, but have now sold out and turned in to conservative susburban dwellers… the kind who “used to support Greenpeace”.
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MattB @ 75 your mum is pretty bright! I think I’d rather have her here. Thumbs up for sharing.
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Matt b
That is a question you would have to put to them.
Unless things are going seriously unreported (here and overseas),
their only passion appears to be roused by a threat to their funding.
I say this with a heavy heart.
Cheers
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The Fabian Society of which I believe the Prime Minister to be an associate is a socialist movement advancing the principles of gradualism and reformist socialism rather than a revolutionary agenda. In the overall scheme of things socialists are ‘useful idiots’ who have never come to the realisation that Capitalism and Communism [left and right] are both wings of the same bird. The same head controls them both. Divide and conquer.
To resist your enemy you have to know your enemy. The people who finance Socialism are the same people who finance Capitalism. Ask youself, if all the world is going broke who owns the debt?
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“I will also argue that Marxism and a socialist opposition to capitalism is the best basis on which to understand the threat to the environment…..”
From:- “Why Green is red: Marxism and the threat to the environment”.
The Socialist Review.
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My post at #83 should have read ‘climategate emails’ not ‘tapes’.
Hope ANZ sue the sh#t out of Greenpeace.
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Binny #66
You might be right. Mike Smith has just launched a missile in the direction of the Federal Government:
Mike Smith launches savage attack on Julia Gillard, ALP
I guess if he has decided he has nothing to lose, and nothing he can say will make any difference to the ALP and their current fellow travellers (Greens, Greenpeace & GetUp), then he may as well verbally nuke them all openly and often.
From a man who just avoided the Mumbai attacks because he ‘had a feeling’ I’d not want to be on his wrong side.
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The second list of demands out of a total of 10 in the Communist Manifesto requires a “heavy graduated income tax”.
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I don’t think there is Government anywhere wants to start a blue with the finance Industry.
Agree with Bruce 2 up.
It’s the wrong time for the greens and probably sooled by Julia to attack the finance Industry. The banks are used to being verballed, but 3 years back the AGW campaign had real teeth.
After March 26th the game changed. Mike Smith is not firing a loose shot, he would have board approval.
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I refuse to watch the video.
Can someone give me the storyboard view?
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Greenpeace, the Greens, ALP, Matt, etc already have the School Education system, The Government departments, many businesses (even BlueScope has a Climate Change Paper) converted into the belief of AGW.
The banks are about the only ones left?
And that only leaves …….?????
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66Binny:
April 8th, 2011 at 11:08 am
It does seem a deliberately targeted defamation, designed to hurt their sharholders. … Rather than directed than at banking in general.
There must be a law against this – even if it were all true- the suggestion that they are responsible for all that disease & suffering is clearly the intention.
ANZ would do well to consult with Christopher Monckton, who has an enviable track record of achieving legal redress, for third parties, where the lawyers have failed.
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Unions have become just an other instrument of social control. They are more interest in retaining their influence than representing their members. When they become hijacked to push the Governments latest big idea they have been completely compromised as a representative of their members.
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Who is the actress in this piece ( the adult lady). She certainly does a convincing portrayal of a Greenpeice apparatchik.
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BRC #93
Here goes…
A happy healthy infant (girl) can be reduced to vegetative
oxygen dependant state in 1:06 minutes by our evil coal miners.
No burden of proof required, it came from Greenpeace
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Joe V @ 95
It is defamatory (in my unprofessional opinion). There are a number of imputations which defame ANZ. Particulalry the imputations that the bank is responsible for the subjection of children to carbon burning emissions (not carbon dioxide) and that the bank is deliberately and recklessly subjecting children to health and possibly life threatening illness. Greenpeace would have a defense of honest opinion in Australia. However the defense is defeated by malice of the defendent. Malice was defined by the former Chief Justice of the High Court Murray Gleeson of Australia as:
“The public interest was said to be in communicating ‘frankly and freely’. His Lordship went on to point out that ‘express malice’ is the term of art by which the law describes the motive of a person who ‘uses the occasion for some other reason’. He said that, broadly speaking, it means malice in the popular sense of a desire to injure the person who is defamed. That is clear enough in most of the cases which attract a defence of qualified privilege. For example, if the privileged occasion is the making by A of a report to B about the character or conduct of C, in pursuance of a duty or interest, then if the dominant motive for the making of a defamatory statement in the report is a desire to injure , that defeats the privilege. The occasion has been misused.”
Clearly the whole point of the advertisement is to damage ANZ in the marketplace and thereby put pressure on their policies etc. I have never cheered for a bank in my life. Always a first for everything.
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The video is quiet telling as greenpeace projecting their own two faced nature as in taking money from the philanthropic side of [input: big oil, big energy, big fish] barons doing “green” by harassing the competition into submission.
Soon harassing poor fishermen and putting them in harms way won’t be enough, so they’ll maybe gonna make a video showing pacifist “if-you-get-hurt-it-is-on-you” greenpeace activists raping and robbing poor fishermen “to save the planet”!
Arming the maritime navy is mandatory to protect against any and all pirates, I say. :p
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@Connoly #56
Ref: OFF TOPIC REPLY re:
“TrueNews@35
Is it possible to get a link for that mate? Important stuff for us. Much appreciated.”
“I ran some numbers last week, and based on Maquarie research figures of ONLY:
$15 per tonne CO2 AND 90% compensation
It would, by my calculation, cost Bluescope Steel $178 million per year, and this on top of a $55 million LOSS for Bluescpoe this HALF YEAR alone.”
Connoly – Please find Macquarie Research Link Below.
It is a 151 page docco, and covers a lot moe than just Bluescope.
Probably of most relevance are pages 15 through 21 and page 79, but the intro on pages 4 through 14 lay out their logic.
I used a search for BSL in the search box to find all references to Bluescope.
Take a look at where BHP is on the charts, (below Myer) no wonder Marius Klophead want’s an ETS, he would be quids in.
I used Commsec IRESS (a stock trading platform) for my original figures, but it is a subsciption only site that I can’t give you a link to.
So, next best thing, I have looked up the financials on Bluescopes own site, and again the link is below. (from the link select the ‘Earnings Report’pdf.
The Bluescope site does not have the 2011 Half Year results that I originally used, so there is a difference of $19 million in using the 2010 full year figures instead.
MY REVISED CALCULATIONS are as follows: (based on Macquarie’s Research & Bluescope’s 2010 Full Year results):
Bluescope Total Revenue (2010) $8,624 million PLUS
Northstar Bluescope Revenue (2010) of $626 million
GRAND TOTAL of $9,250 million overall revenue.
Multiply 9,250 by 1,500 (Macquarie’s estimate of BSL CO2 emissions @ 1,500 tonnes CO2 emissions per $1 miilion revenue)
= 13,875,000 Tonnes of CO2 emmissions for Bluescope.
Multiply this by a $15 per tonne Carbon Tax and this gives you a figure of: $208,125,000. (without any compensation).
NOW – This is where it gets interesting, because Macquarie have two different scenarios for their 90% compensation estimate.
SCENARIO 1
The 90% compensation is based purely on Bluescopes own internal emissions, in which case the carbon Tax would ony be $20,812,500.
(bad enough for a company that lost $55 million in the first half of this year)
SCENARIO 2
The 90% compensation is AVERAGED across a sector (ie Industrials), and for this I use Macquarie’s own calculation of the 18 companies they highlight, as getting a combined 90% compensation of $880 million.
$880 million divided by 18 = $48,888,888 compensation each.
This would be a DISASTER for Bluescope because:
$208,125,000. (without any compensation) MINUS
$48,888,888 compensation
= A Carbon Tax Bill of $159,236,112
(and Klopheads BHP goes laughing all the way to the bank)
I honestly don’t know which scenario is most likely, but I do know that Graham Kraehe and Paul O’Malley have been critical of Gillard and Marius Kloppers has tried to be her best friend.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/51353353/mac-1
http://www.bluescopesteel.com/investors/financial-reports/financial-reports-2010/16-august-2010/bluescope-steel-limited-2010-full-year-results
Now, I know I’m gonna get a hit from MattB regarding my $19 million Black Hole, so, in advance I will ask Matt if he would be willing to take his cause to the guys at Port Kembla, because if push came to shove I would.
Get rid of Paul Howes Connoly, he makes Bill Shorten look like a right wing extremist.
Good Luck mate, I sincerely hope it works out for you guys.
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One thing people don’t seem to understand and greenpeace don’t want people to realize is that fact that what made greenpeace proud in the 70’s and 80’s, i.e. helping influence two countries into not setting up nuclear power plants (Kiwi islands and Oz) they, instead, then directly helped making sure to fatten the treasure chests of “Big Oil” and “Big Coal” and made sure that both countries became such “high” CO2 polluters. If I remember correctly greenpeace even helped making sure your two countries did not build more “local-climate-destroying” hydro power plants, which only helped to reinforce the need for “Big Oil” and “Big Coal”.
So greenpeace hate “Big Oil” and “Big Coal” so much so that they do everything to fatten their purses. That’s a lot of “hate”. O_0
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My issue ignoring the science and I most vehemently state, the science must be right before a business case should be made, two science business cases spring to mind, 1 the miracle panacea Thalidomide and 2 Asbestos. Ignore tobacco as these two science outcomes are not luxury or addictions but fundamental technologies.
Without cost effective base load generation, SME business heads into recessionary impacts from two directions, 1 their own energy costs and upstream supply costs risew and 2 their consumer bases under recessionary pressures have less spending power. The energy supply chain issues squeeze profit and viability from both directions.
This is the real issue, we now know and not annecotally that recessioniary impacts for go alone business communities in the EU are inherent, without the baseload issues sorted.
People often forget that large sections of SME business is marginal in profitability, in a two speed economy like we currently have a major employment group segment would be faced with job shedding.
Others can argue the effects on large carbon dioxide emitting industries and should, as noted above at true news.
I used to read P&L statements for SME business as a key component of my previous employment.
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I note on this site there has been a trend talking about banks, but Financial institutions caome in my types and sizes with many different client segment, weightings vary bank to bank.
Banks are owned by many owners, with just about all the client business groupings as customers and hence represent a wide spread section of interest component.
My examination of this issue is from a rural and SME business viability focus, bad corrupted science is bad technology and therefore bad business, that is the logic chain.
Tax rebates can’t fix business structural issues based on bad science and nonsense business economics long term. (Long term is the relevant statement).
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The funny thing is the greens had to use the same power that the ANZ use to make the add in the first place plus they seem to be confusing carbon monoxide with carbon dioxide. A good come back for the ANZ would be to do an add showing how the add was made with all of the hidden coal and smoke stacks that the greens used in there add.
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John @104,
When Flannery talks about a global community he is not as loopy as he might sound. Rest assured that like Climate Change the plans for such are well advanced before you even hear about them.
Read about G20’s plans for a global currency.
ONE BANK – ONE WORLD ORDER.
See; The Tower of Basel: Secretive Plans for the Issuing of a Global Currency. by Ellen Brown.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13239
Novus Ordo Seclorum
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TrueNews @ 101
Mate thank you so much for the all the trouble you have gone to. Will take me a while to digest this. But believe me it will get to the steelworkers. If there is any way you could make it here we sure could use your expertise. I dont particulalry care what MattB thinks but even a supporter of the global warming hypothesis must take a stand at the immorality of lying to decent people whose livelihoods are on the line. Howse told them that the rights or wrongs of the tax arent an issue. And the ALP apparachiks are lying to them saying that the compensation package will save their jobs. I once knew Greg Combet pretty well and always found him to be an honest sort of a bloke. But now he is just lying to the steel and coal mining communities to haul himself into the top job. I guess power corrupts. Once again thanks and all the best.
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It would help a lot if people and companies stop donating money to Greenpeace.
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Kevin.
Oh I understand the globalization issues. My great revulsion was that Kevin Rudd and the ALP were willing to sign off 6 billion dollars a year to some front group. (Now a paltry .48 bill)
6 Billion dollars per annum (scaled and maybe ramped) was treason in my opinion, without taking it to the people, its a lot of commerce R&D or social justice issues or seed capital, its not even used for environmental purposes in Australia.
But I do understand the retail banks and their core business, I personally have never heard of contact with the club of Rome or such. A lot of people write a lot of stuff, but they can’t even make free trade work properly after three decades of trying.
Good luck with one currency, the EU noble experiment is not looking that flash to me, with bailouts all over the place and a lot of it tied to Industrial environmental baseload power nonsense and the rich nations now looking twice at subsidizing their dumb neighbors.
I don’t do culture wars or vast conspiracies, yer follow the money. I found enough fraud and incompetence in me life to last.
The issue is the CEO and CFO and Board answer for financial results and in a recession, retail deposits and lending decrease, Business deposits and lending decrease, bad debts go up and life is generally miserable for main street bankers.
People read a lot more into stuff that is bread and butter at the end of the day. Its business and finance reading notice, they don’t want a recession and they speak on behalf of stock holders who don’t want a recession that is what I think.
The real vested interests are the ones who trade in destabilization.
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From my reading of that sacred and unmentionable people’s literature – those who control almost everything – the way to create a recession is simply to withdraw money from circulation.
Scotsman, William Patterson, the first governor of the Bank of England and former Captain of a pirate ship said – “The Bank hath benefit of interest on money which it creates out of nothing”.
It was much safer being a pirate of the High Land than risk getting hanged on the High Seas.
The whole Banking system is based on deception and just about everyones gullibilty.
A study of Denison Miller and the beginnings of the Commonwealth Bank would profit those interested in a moral banking system.
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Kevin yer quote other people but you proffer no alternatives.
And unfortunately barter went out of fashion pre middle ages and is a construct in a mad zealots mind.
Banks exist to Aggregate Capital and facilitate.
Bankers are not liked, because everyone has different expectations they are not lofty in my experience.
SME business and Bankers who do business with them, in my experience are tired of this madness.
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The banks are at the heart of this scam. The CEO of ANZed is the first to openly oppose Greenpeace’s carrot and stick approach to control all major banking institutions. He has openly opposed the carbon tax. Anyone considering a business loan should consider the one bank not playing to Greenpeace’s rule book, and not willing to pull funding from legitimate businesses that come under attack from Greepeace. Greenpeace has demonstrated a willingness to destroy any business that questions the AGW orthodoxy. They have no regard whatsoever to the effects of these strategies on the employees of those businesses.
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There are two species of whale in the great oceans.
One is Orca the other is cattle.
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Last time I heard no one has ever hunted orca for profit.
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Thanks Jo Im out.
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Geez! Was Mike Smiths outburst of home truths at the govt. prompted by this nutjob vid. , or does it go deeper than that ?
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@Conolly #13, #107 & Grattan Institute
(13) Best of Luck for the meeting on 11th May mate, you are in good hands with Bob Carter.
(107) Thank you, and you are more then welcome to any of my research, my time, and any effort I can make to help out.
Ask Jo for my Email so that I can send you large docco’s directly. I don’t want to see you guys go the same way as Ravensthorpe did over here in WA. (BHP)
(Grattan) I listen to the CEO of the Grattan Institute because he mostly makes sense, BUT I do think he has ‘a major’ in pure business logic and ‘a minor’ in socio economic empathy.
You probably already know this from GI’s website, but here are their sponsors:
Grattan Institute is grateful for the support of our founding members: the Australian Government, the State Government of Victoria, The University of Melbourne and BHP Billiton
I have nothing personal against BHP at all, they just keep cropping up wherever an ETS is mentioned (a bit like the Grattan Institute).
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