Every scientific curiosity becomes a climate prayer
A year ago, within an hour, 120 seismometers all over the world started to record a freakish shake every 90 seconds like a metronome. People watching the waves were baffled. And even more so that it didn’t stop within a few minutes but continued on all day and night, eventually ringing out for nine days.
It turned out to be a landslide in an oddly shaped fjord in Eastern Greenland. A 1.2 kilometre mountain of rock and ice had collapsed, sending a 110m wall of water 10 kilometers across the gorge to smash 200 metres up the other side of the fjord. The water then came back down and the return wave apparently kept slopping back and forward for nine days. Spare a thought for the fish.
Dickson Fjord before (left) and after (right) the landslide. From Scientific American and
Søren Rysgaard (left); Danish Army (right)
Thus “10,000 swimming pools” worth of repeating tsunamis keep rattling seismic detectors for days and then kept 68 scientists busy for a year figuring out what it was.
Predictably, they say, it was caused by climate change, because rock slides and ice collapses have never happened before, or at least, not while humans had a global seismographic network.
And not a single climate model predicted this.
Apparently the Dickson fjord has a 90 degree bend at end near the mouth, and a glacial dam at the other end which stopped the energy dissipating, making it the perfect resonant chamber. Then in a freak of nature, the landslide hit at the perfect 90 degree angle in the ideal chamber to drive seismologists bonkers.
Naturally, Science, the formerly esteemed top journal had to squeeze the absurd climate propaganda near the end of the press release, so giants like The Guardian could turn it into a Shock and Awe Headline.
Experts admit their tsunami models were completely wrong, but, ooh, spooky, spooky: climate change causes “global vibrations beneath our feet”. And she’s a professor — it’s embarrassing. This is superstitious bead-wringing with mystical phrases.
Prof Anne Mangeney, a landslide modeller at the Institut de Physique du Globe de Paris in France, who was part of the team, said: “This unique long-duration tsunami challenged the classical models that we previously used to simulate just a few hours of tsunami propagation – we had to go to an unprecedentedly high numerical resolution. This opens up new avenues for tsunami modelling.”
Such events will become more common as global temperatures continue to rise. “Even more profoundly, for the first time, we can quite clearly see this event, triggered by climate change, caused a global vibration beneath all of our feet, everywhere around the world,” said Mangeney. “Those vibrations travelled from Greenland to Antarctica in less than an hour. So we’ve seen an impact from climate change impacting the entire world within just an hour.”
Holy smoke: “climate change impacts the Earth in a hour”, but we see the impact of the sun in just 8 minutes. So? Thanks to climate change, Greenland is about the same temperature now as it was in 1880.
We can’t “clearly see” any thing at all. There’s no trend, no data, no evidence. What if a warmer world means the ice doesn’t build up and go boom, but just melts away gradually. Drip, drip, drip, eh?
So the misinformation continues. In modern science lamb chops cause tsunamis, Ford F-250’s shake the world, and only solar panels can save us.
It’s all part of the hypnosis. Adults in the room need to remind the children that glaciers and rockslides have been happening for millions of years. (Eg Lieseki and Raymo) Then when kids grow up and become professors they might not say silly things.
Related:
- Extreme heat no one wants to mention: Greenland warmed 10 degrees in a few decades (many times)
- The whole of Greenland melted away when CO2 was perfect 400,000 years ago.
- Mastodons roaming a hot North Greenland 2 million years ago
- Largest Glacier in Northern Hemisphere has started growing again
- The big picture: 65 million years of temperature swings
REFERENCES
Svennevig and 67 others (2024) A rockslide-generated tsunami in a Greenland fjord rang Earth for 9 days, Science, 12 Sep 2024, Vol 385, Issue 6714 pp. 1196-1205 DOI: 10.1126/science.adm9247
L. E. Lisiecki and M. E. Raymo (2005) — A Pliocene-Pleistocene stack of 57 globally distributed benthic δ18O records, Paleoceanography 20, 1003
Tsunami sloshing. A new discipline. Send me money.
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But it won’t arouse people to action, because, as we all know, it’s ‘shaken, not stirred’.
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How can Climate Change possibly do this? How about something to do with the structure of the Planet and Volcanic/Plate/Earthquake activity. And how about some proper scientific analysis/evidence for once.
This is just more Alarmist clap trap.
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Gosh they must have had scores of those sloshing Greenland events during the much warmer Eemian from 130 K to 115 K years ago?
Then the Earth was 8 C hotter than our Holocene today and sea levels were 6 to 9 metres higher than today in 2024.
And very large animals like Hippos and Rhinos and Elephants and Lions and giant cave Bears etc roamed Europe and the UK.
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Again, here’s the peer reviewed study from the Co2 Coalition Scientists showing that temps during the Eemian were 8 C hotter than today.
Greenland must have had many sloshing good times then and of course that would be caused by those tiny populations of hunter gatherers hunting mammoths etc. SARC.
https://co2coalition.org/facts/the-last-interglacial-was-8c-14f-warmer-than-today/
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If that story has anything to do with climate change, then it’s comforting to know that these slide-induced tsunamis are becoming less severe.
“… smash 200 metres up the other side of the fjord.”
Big deal. Compare that with the Lituya Bay tsunami in 1958:
“A tsunami with a record run-up height of 1720 feet occurred in Lituya Bay, Alaska”
https://geology.com/records/biggest-tsunami.shtml
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The Earth is “ringing” constantly at many known frequencies. Many startups are trying to figure out how to use this “unknown by government” energy. Its free as in not at a cost nor is it taxed (yet). No doubt it could be used to split water and its base load. Its just a matter of having a reasonable capex for the means.
Water is already split naturally by our planets vibrations. One residue is part of our atmosphere, oxygen. The other is part of our fossil fuel reserves (hydrogen).
If we can produce protons from an unpaid energy supply at a low capex it is possible to make synthetic fuel that is a liquid at ambient at a lower price than diesel with very low emissions.
Such an outcome may be politically easier to implement on Mars, a government free planet.
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Geoff, you forgot the /sarc tag.
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Unless he really believes it, then he should have placed the “/completely nuts” tag at the end.
Besides, soon the Oz government will label the guardian article as fact and any words against it, by any commentator, will result in the JNova site being fined out of existence.
Will a /s tag be required on all comments to protect this site? Or maybe /nfgc (Not for government consumption).
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We have this working in the lab at the resonance frequency of the O2 molecule. One of the Earth’s resonance frequencies.
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while on the subject of greenland, look up the video “the lost squadron” on u tube, its about the recovery of a ww2 P38 lightening that crashed landed there on a fjiord with a squadron enroute to to Europe in 1942. these planes today are buried under 100m of ice, and since there discovery back in the 1990s the ice has thickened considerably. through a small hole in the ice a complete aircraft has been disassembled and recovered to the USA and rebuild as a museum exhibit. Its a great story the thickening of the ice is just a bi product to an amazing adventure!!
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Yes. Recovery of those magnificent aircraft, one now flying, would have been so much easier if the ice was melting not accumulating. Only one was recovered in the original mission, other attempts to recover the others were or will be made, although they are getting very close to being shed into the sea now.
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The nose art on the flying example shows ‘Glacier Girl’ – very appropriate…
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As I keep saying, warmists have an Aristotlean view of the world as never changing, that the earth “always was, always will be”. They have no concept of the titanic forces that have, and continue to shape the earth and its climate.
Back in the day they used to teach plate tectonics, Milanković cycles, the sun was a variable star, etc.. Most people, even laymen had an idea what forces influenced the earth.
Aristotle also believed in geocentrism. I have not yet heard warmists advocate that model but I will absolutely NOT be surprised when they do.
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David,
A surveyor son told me he had downloaded global historic seismic data and concluded that Australia was equally active as anywhere else. This contradicts the often quoted assurance that Australia is a safe haven for those who fear earthquakes. Will be talking more detail with him tomorrow.
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People without education or experience in earth sciences and their measurement, geology in particular, often make assumptions that are insupportable. I saw nothing rare about the landslide in this article. The mountains in the image were created by landslide after landslide with all their variations.
Related, most lay folk have no real idea of what lies below the earth surface beneath their feet. Many have old SciFi images of underground rivers in sunshine thanks to Jules Verne and other uneducated romantics. Talk of soil horizons A. B and C or laterite profiles, as examples, is alien. This colours a lot of mass media articles.
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Agreed, Geoff. Most are geologically ignorant and have no wish nor intention to change that.
The key misperception to this story (glacial ice dam breaking) is that most people do not believe that glaciers flow downhill. If the ice dam wall ruptures, it must be because the ice is melting, not because the ice river is shoving the blockage downslope.
Unhappily, even my own children have difficulty in understanding this.
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David, modern-day Aristotleans – from world leaders to billionaires to professors to ‘experts in their field’ to feral Greenies to even kings and/or queens – insist on the need to change everything (to ‘save the planet’ no less) including how we eat, work, move about, vote, do business, even how we think… yet this ephemeral concept they call ‘climate’ must never change lest we burn in our own hell.
[Expletive!] I wish they’d all grow up… the planet will do what the planet does. Flat-earthers the lot of ‘em.
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As I always say, ask a scientist what it is, not what to do about it.
Remember, if James Lovelock was asked what to do about climate change, and we did it, you would have gray sky sunny days by now.
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Here’s Jo Nova’s post from 2010 showing that the Earth has been cooling for the last 65 million years and last 5 million years and since the last Eemian inter-glacial and since our much warmer early Holocene period.
Jo also includes the amazing story of the glacier Girl P 38 recovery as well in this post.
https://joannenova.com.au/2010/02/the-big-picture-65-million-years-of-temperature-swings/
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Once again, Jo is incorrect. Greenland is significantly warmer today than it was in 1880.
https://www.carbonbrief.org/factcheck-what-greenland-ice-cores-say-about-past-and-present-climate-change/
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From your link
https://www.carbonbrief.org/factcheck-what-greenland-ice-cores-say-about-past-and-present-climate-change/
This modern temperature reconstruction, combined with observational records over the past century, shows that current temperatures in Greenland are warmer than any period in the past 2,000 years. That said, they are likely still cooler than during the early part of the current geological epoch – the Holocene – which started around 11,000 years ago.
Although this graph proves your point.
https://www.carbonbrief.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Easterbrook%E2%80%99s-version-of-the-GISP2-based-temperature-reconstruction-graph.png
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So Simon, the ice cores show Greenland was hotter for most of the last 10,000 years, but the ice core graph ends in 1855. (The Carbonbrief graph was the one I created from Alley’s data BTW, but not the updated graph which shows “the present” was 1950, not 2000).
Then if we look at thermometer data in Greenland, temperatures rose from 1850-1880 (how was that man-made?) and then stayed the same roughly after that. https://joannenova.com.au/2018/04/greenland-same-temperature-now-as-1880/
I thought you liked thermometer data? (Or only when it rises?)
What happened to all the polar amplification?
Why did Alley call 1950 “the present” in a paper published in 2000AD, who knows?
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1950’s is “the present” because after that date the carbon dating process fails, (due to atmospheric testing).
It’s just a phrase that archaeologists use. To me, the present is today but I don’t dig for trash and cesspits.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Before_Present
QI covered it, so it must be true.
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Greenland temperature did not stay “the same roughly” from 1880, it is rising faster than the global average.
https://berkeleyearth.org/temperature-region/greenland
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As usual Berkley adjustments create a different picture. Conveniently for Elizabeth Mueller.
https://joannenova.com.au/2018/04/greenland-same-temperature-now-as-1880/
Chylek, P., Box, J.E. & Lesins, G. (2004) Global Warming and the Greenland Icesheet, Climatic Change (2004) 63: 201. doi:10.1023/B:CLIM.0000018509.74228.03
Mikkelsen, T. B., Grinsted, A., and Ditlevsen, P. (2018)Influence of temperature fluctuations on equilibrium ice sheet volume, The Cryosphere, 12, 39-47, https://doi.org/10.5194/tc-12-39-2018, 2018. Full paper plus Supplement
Find the warming at these stations. https://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/stdata_find_v2.cgi?dt=1&ds=14&name=&world_map.x=293&world_map.y=34 Often it’s in the 1920s Why would that be? SEe Jakobshavn, Isfjord, Upernavik. There’s a couple with recent warming, but these patterns do not fit human emissions. What caused the warming in 1920? Don’t know? Could that be causing it in the last 20 years?
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Simon, was it warmer than in the early 1800s?
“It will without doubt have come to your Lordship’s knowledge that a considerable change of climate, inexplicable at present to us, must have taken place in the Circumpolar Regions, by which the severity of the cold that has for centuries past enclosed the seas in the high northern latitudes in an impenetrable barrier of ice has been during the last two years, greatly abated.
(This) affords ample proof that new sources of warmth have been opened and give us leave to hope that the Arctic Seas may at this time be more accessible than they have been for centuries past, and that discoveries may now be made in them not only interesting to the advancement of science but also to the future intercourse of mankind and the commerce of distant nations.”
President of the Royal Society, London, to the Admiralty, 20th November, 1817
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Plainly as a result of Cugnot’s steam tractor.
https://www.supercars.net/blog/1769-cugnot-steam-tractor/
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According to your source, Greenland temperatures are now more than 2 degrees Celsius warmer than the period between the 11th and 14th centuries CE when there were Norse farming communities in three main settlement areas, with some 600+ farmsite ruins identified by archaeologists.
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There has been warming in Greenland, but its of no concern.
‘Ice-core records show that climate changes in the past have been large, rapid, and synchronous over broad areas extending into low latitudes, with less variability over historical times. These ice-core records come from high mountain glaciers and the polar regions, including small ice caps and the large ice sheets of Greenland and Antarctica.’ (Alley 2000)
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‘Greenland is significantly warmer today than it was in 1880.’
The Southern Hemisphere was still in the grip of the Little Ice Age, so that explains something.
On the Greenland ice cores, they are a bit dodgy, Alley said it has to freeze into solid ice to be of any value.
A good example is the search for a CO2 fingerprint in Greenland, they found older ice is less reliable, as meltwater layers have elevated carbon dioxide (CO2 is highly soluble in water).
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Is there no end to your sarcasm Jo? Once a semi serious science blog has now turned into a version of Monty Python’s Flying Circus. Not that I’m complaining, mind you. The ridiculousness (I think that’s a word) of the climate alarmists knows no bounds. There was a dead parrot skit that the Python people did- I’m now sure it was caused by climate change.
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Monty Python Philosophers Game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfduUFF_i1A
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Here’s a presentation from Andy May for the Co2 Coalition Scientists and he looks at a debate between Professors William Happer and David Karoly. Andy covers a lot of ground and also includes the work from Prof Nordhaus that won him the Nobel prize in 2018. Here’s a quote and the link.
Of course he concludes that fossil fuels and higher co2 levels are good for Humans and the Earth. He also shows that our planet has been Greening for 40 years.
https://co2coalition.org/2022/09/01/are-fossil-fuel-co2-emissions-good-or-bad/
“The global economy is currently growing at about 3% per year, and nobody expects that growth rate to change much. At that rate, the economy will be 1,000% larger in 2100 than today. A 2% growth rate, the historical average, results in 478% growth in global GDP by 2100. The IPCC estimates that this will be reduced by 3% due to climate change, meaning we would see 464% growth, rather than 478%. The question is, will anyone notice? In the meantime, we will radically destroy our economy today, by eliminating fossil fuels, to save 14% growth in 2100. Is this smart? That is the question we need to ask ourselves”.
“Nordhaus claims that the optimal economic scenario leads to four degrees of global warming. Current realistic projections say we might see 2.5 to 3°C of warming in 2100. What is the fuss? More than 6000 years ago, temperatures were at least three degrees warmer than today in the Northern Hemisphere when civilization began. All Karoly and the IPCC have are ominous projections of future warming, with further projections of damages based them. None of their projections have been validated, and they have been invalidated by Ross McKitrick and John Christy in two recent critical papers, published in 2018 and 2020”.
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My toenails are getting thicker as I age.
Scientific study says Gerbil warming is causing this.
The cause of any event that occurs can now blamed on gerbil warming apparently.
These people are like a religious cult and just like any cult we have to look at them seriously because of the damage they can cause.
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wal,
I postulate that people born after 1980 or so will have larger teeth from higher CO2 in the air.
Who was that woman PM from New Zealand?
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Geoff, she was a one-off freak, who now resides in Boston, MA. They can keep her… please!
The town she was born in, Morrinsville, which is prime dairy farming country where her daddy was the local cop, re-named itself ‘Cow Town’ and has life-sized corrugated iron sculptures of cows installed around the streets. Who said farmers don’t have a sense of humour.
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Of course co2 levels dropped to very dangerous levels of just 180 ppm during the last full glaciation and co2 didn’t start to rise for a further 800 years AFTER temperatures increased.
The few Humans that survived that terrible ice age probably mated with the few surving Neanderthals before they died out before the start of the Holocene.
Yet today we have left wing loonies like Harris and Walz trying to stop fossil fuel increases, while China, India etc are building Coal plants as fast as they can. Just unbelievable but true.
Here’s the link to an almost doomed planet Earth during the last true Ice Age.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/06/30/life-on-earth-was-nearly-doomed-by-too-little-co2/
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“The Ice Age’s combined horrors – intense cold, permanent drought and CO2 starvation – killed most of the plants on Earth. Only a few trees survived, in the mildest climates. Much of the planet’s grass turned to tundra, which is much less nourishing to the herbivores prehistoric humans depended on for food and fur.”
Really? I am puzzled. The three climate on earth are tropical, temperate and arctic, roughly. And they are quite different. An average is a fine thing but ice in the ice age never went higher than 40 degrees. The earth is not one uniform golf ball at the same temperature. The world average climate does not exist.
Sure, Manhattan and most of Europe was under 1km of solid ice just 11,000 years ago. Europe was unliveable, but not the fertile crescent or the Indus or Ganges or Yellow or Nile river valleys . They were teeming with life and humans.
But in Africa and Australia the aborigines walked around naked 50,000 years ago and through a few ice ages. As did the neanderthals 30,000 years ago. There were not a lot of them because carnivores fight for food and kill each other as all carnivores do. And the elephants and giraffes and apes and echidnas and platypi and wombats walked around.
The giant Australian marsupials were already dead, killed by aborigine lit fires and hunting and after millions of years and many ice ages, died within 1,000 of man and fire and dogs arriving. But I am surprised that ‘only a few trees survived’.
I suspect people just write things without proof but it is all very odd. Just like the idea that all of the world will become unliveable somehow. It never has before, but maybe our CO2 is very special.
Also as archeologists study the amazing remains in the fertile crescent at Golbeki Tepi from 11,000 years ago and even old buildings from 15,000 years ago pre agriculture, it is clear that these people were fine and herding animals and not suffering frostbite. The tropics were still the tropics, a lot hotter and moderated by huge amounts of water and rainfall as today. And a lot of life in the tropics.
So I am skeptical when I read that ‘all life on earth was nearly extinguished’. And I suppose they also mean on land rather than on earth. There must be a form of historical licence which allows people to just project their ideas into fantasy.
And more significantly, to blame everything including amazing geological phenomena on Climate Change. We are now in an area where climate change causes oscillations in a Fjord which can be detected around the world. And everything is someone’s fault. And they should be punished with taxes and reparations.
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Now a hunter gatherer site from Northern Israel which is from the glacial maximum, 23,000 years ago!
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TdeF The dingo was brought to Australia around 3000BC by the aboriginals (from Indonesia & PNG) who are the ancestors of nearly every full blood aborigine at the present time. The last of the earlier full blood settlers (who may have been around 40,000 years ago from relics in a cave in Tasmania) died out in Tasmania – Truganini died 8 May 1876 (age 64 years) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truganini).
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When I saw this my first thought was “the climate chicken littles” will have conniptions . As Jo pointed out the “tsunami” was only local and this occurred to me very quickly as I looked for effects elsewhere . So much for “Mega” – phenomena dressed as a crisis…..
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Again, here’s the Scotese, Berner graph that shows both Earth’s temperature and cp2 levels are lower today than for many hundreds of millions of years.
And Earth’s co2 levels were 10 times our levels today and for many tens of millions of years.
https://www.climatereview.net/Movie%20Screenshots/High%20Res/600%20Million%20Years%20of%20CO2.jpg
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I love this graph because it shows the water moderated hard clipping/limiting of temperature on a water planet at 23C. And what is wrong with 23C. It allowed the hairless apes to develop. And created the fashion industry we know today.
The limiting is the point where the evaporation produces water vapour and clouds which stop further heating. It is quite dramatic over vast times. It is a characteristic of the tropics today. And shows that no matter how scary the alleged CO2 warming, on a water planet there is a hard limit to temperature. And at quite a nice temperature too. No hell on earth is possible near water. And as was the case with the monsoons in North Africa, the deserts turn to jungle.
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That’s actually quite interesting.
I wouldn’t have expected it to last 9 days though.
On a related sidenote, lateral channels can be used to prevent such unwanted resonance effects, cancelling reflections.
https://physics.aps.org/articles/v16/196
Just yet another of those rare and strange natural events that happen when circumstances are just right.
No climate witch doctors needed.
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Likely the avalanche site remained unstable after the first event and each consequential high water event triggered a subsequent landslide.
The simulation shows a fundamental wave developing across the 3 km width of the inlet and synchronising along the length. The fundamental frequency suggests the water is quite deep- approaching 400m.
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If there is not great turbulence and the walls are actually very hard rock, there is little attenuation. Sloshing can continue for a very long time in a closed system. Like a cradle rocking and given the 10,000 swimming pools involved and the original height of the oscillation, it is clearly possible. Subsequent landslides would not have the timing and would dissipate the energy through turbulence and interference creating out of phase oscillations. I expect once noticed they could also track it for a long time as the energy dissipated, which took 9 days.
So the seismologists have seen a wonderful natural event. Whose bright idea was it to blame Climate Change? Will we soon have Climate Seismologists as well as Climate Scientists?
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BTW the clueless UN SEC Gen has a lot of problems with his boiling oceans fantasies.
The Paleo Pacific ocean started to form about 750 million years ago and that’s even further back than the Scotese, Berner studies of temp and co2 levels.
So why do these left wing loonies repeat their boiling oceans BS and nonsense so often? Is it just to scare the Kiddies?
The Earth was much hotter then and for many hundreds of millions of years and yet the oceans started to come into existence over many HOTTER hundreds of millions of years.
IOW the oceans shouldn’t be here today and we have very cool temps today in 2024 compared to so much of the previous hundreds of millions of years.
Perhaps some kind person should tell the UN head yapper to pull his head in and start to think?
https://www.oldest.org/nature/oceans/
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That reminds me I need to get an F-250, so I can shake, rattle and roll the world. Forget that butterfly flapping its wings in the Amazon Rainforest, I aim to make a real difference.
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Shouldn’t we just present the most important facts as they apply to Humans over the last 300,000 years and ignore their infantile lunacy?
For 99.9% of the last 300 K years Humans have lived very brutal and very short lives.
In 1750 life expectancy was about 28.5 years.
Dr Koonin and Pielke jr etc quote 32 years life expectancy by 1900.
The UN quotes 46.5 years by 1950 and about 73 years by 2022.
Again about 1 billion population in 1810 and over 8.1 billion today.
Humans have much higher calories intake today and very few people live in extreme poverty.
Even our poorest continent Africa has had a world record increase in population since 1950 or an increase of about 1260 million in the last 74 years. Of course in 1950 Africa’s life expectancy was just 36 years and now about 64 years today in 2024 according to the UN.
We live in the safest period in Human history and today there’s a 98% drop in deaths from extreme weather events, since 1920.
Dr Koonin always prefers to say that extreme weather deaths today are one fiftieth of the deaths compared to 100 years ago.
IOW our climate today is very safe and benign, but take away fossil fuels and we’ll be in big trouble and facing a much lower standard of living.
But Russia, China, Nth Korea, Iran etc will be very happy and they will become very aggressive within a decade.
So good luck with the elactric ships, tanks and planes and toxic W & S unreliables etc. IOW we’ll need a lot of luck to just survive the first attack.
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And as life expectancy has tripled, the current population of 8 billion is NOT due to explosive birthrate at all. In fact birthrate plummets as Europe and China and America are finding. Rather some 5.5billion are people who in previous years would not have lived so long. WHich makes the Club of Rome completely wrong. And such people are the ones who believe the population needs to be reduced when in fact it is self correcting without mass destruction.
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TdeF there’s no doubt that wealthier countries now have low birth rates today.
Japan’s average age today is about 47 years, Australia, USA, Canada, Europe about 35 to 38 years and China is now about the same.
The big difference is Africa with an average age of about 19 years and they will have a much higher population by 2050 and 2100.
But infant mortality has rapidly dropped over the last 70 years and yet starvation isn’t so much of a problem today, even in Africa.
Look up OWI Data to see the trends since 1900 and 1950.
Mao’s China saw the greatest starvation and a loss of life from 1959 to 1961 period and perhaps 50 million died.
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My point is that while we have 8x the population of 1900, in fact it is only 33% new people. As 2/3 the population ‘explosion’ is down to high quality and length of life, not increased misery, especially for perpetually pregnant women with babies dying like flies. The prophets of doom are wrong again. Isn’t that great?
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Again, the Dutch Deltares Aqua monitor study has shown a global increase in coastal land over the last 30 years.
Very interesting and I think Andrew Bolt and hydro-graphic surveyor Daniel Fitzhenry could be correct about SLR at Fort Denison since 1914.
Certainly no dangerous SLR over the last 30 years according to the Dutch study.
This quote and link is from NASA. But where is the SLR and why is there more coastal land today and in just the last 30 years?
Obviously no recent dangerous warming or SLR according to this Dutch study.
https://landsat.gsfc.nasa.gov/article/tracking-surface-water-changes-over-the-past-30-years/
“Tracking Surface Water Changes Over the Past 30 Years”
September 1, 2016
“The world has gained 115,000 km2 of water and 173,000 km2 of land over the past 30 years”.
“[Source: Deltares] The world has gained 115,000 km2 of water and 173,000 km2 of land over the past 30 years. The Dutch research institute Deltares developed an open tool that analyzes satellite data and visualizes land and water changes around the globe. The results were published in Nature Climate Change.”
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That implies the Earth is expanding?
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Yes.
“The world has gained 115,000 km2 of water and 173,000 km2 of land over the past 30 years”.”
How does that work?
And is Global Warming responsable?
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Moral of the story.
1. Scientists figured it out without actually observing it. Blogger reports this as a fail.
2. RW blogger thinks that climate models should predict local geological events.
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You’re half right. But why a RW blogger? I don’t follow. Climate models are the exclusive province of the radical left and climatebaggers and nothing to do with reality.
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Or is it that anyone who doesn’t believe a word of fossil fuel CO2 driven rapid global warming Armageddon is right wing? Why not just a real scientist?
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Climate Models do not reflect or predict reality, therefore the Climate Models need modification. Maybe add the influence of the Sun’s impact on planet Earth as well as the variability of the orbit of planet Earth around the Sun.
Hello Climate Alarmists – Just a thought for you to ponder on
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‘thought’? ‘ponder’?
These two words are unknown to alarmists.
PANIC!
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The major aspect of our planet is that it is 74% covered by 3.5km of water. All weather, rain, snow, weather, storms come from the water. And the water is massive, 350x that of the thin turbulent radiating atmosphere and 4x the heat capacity of dry air. And in this massive 3D heat bank there are currents containing heat and massive air. Which is how fish breathe.
So what do the Climate Scientists model? The air? What is the point of that beyond short range weather forecasts?
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Well, their breathless hurricane season prediction of umpty-zillion hurricanes isn’t panning out, so they have to grab every straw in reach.
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Three out of four (75%) ocean basins are well below-average, the Atlantic is the odd one out being exactly ‘average’. Mind you that was last week, it could well be following the trend and dipping below…
Shouty alarmists discover ‘the doldrums’.
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Interesting and rare event, up there with an earthquake or volcanic eruption.
But climate change? . . I don’t think so.
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Actually walking on glaciers (in New Zealand and North America) gives one some perspective.
The entire glacial retreating” caper is “anti-science”, at best.
Glaciers do NOT shuffle back up the gorge they have cut, if it gets too warm..The PRIMARY melting of a glacier occurs UNDERNEATH. The huge mass of the ice itself pressing on the underlying rock changes the freezing / melting point of the ice in EXACTLY the same way an ice-skate works. Skaters are actually moving on a thin film of WATER between the skate blade and the ice. (If you crank up the chiller plant at an ice rink, too much, it actually gets HARDER to “glide” elegantly.
Furthermore, glaciers are DRIVEN form the top; the “Neve”. This is where snowfall accumulates and occasionally has enough mass to move slightly “downhill”
Now it get tricky. It is ALL about the snowfall. No snow, no push. The ice flow is still plonked on top of the rock, merrily melting away from underneath. If you stand a safe distance from a “moulin”, you can hear the water rushing far below.
There is always “some” melting at the face.
What causes snow? Low temperature precipitation. Precipitation? High-altitude cooling.
BUT How did the evaporation occur?
Solar energy striking the oceans and forested land masses.
IF it gets too cold, evaporation rapidly decreases, therefore limited snow can fall to drive the glacier.
Thus, glaciers can ONLY exist in a very narrow window of temperature and terrain (and location).
As for “seismic” activity: The actual cooling of the entire planet since its formation, billions of years ago probably has a lot to do with geological “activity”
As for multiple “reverberations / echoes” (actually two different, but related phenomena) of a big seismic “shock”, this behaviour has been known and studied for over a century.
The origin was good-old Krakatau. When it gave its final, really big cough, instruments all over the world picked up, not just the initial wave, but a stream of “reflections” as the bounced around the entire planet.Interestingly, it was the “recording” barometers that provided a LOT of clues. The blast wave, which was clearly heard in parts of Australia, left huge excursions of the delicate recording pen on the paper charts of the instruments. Because the Seismographs were (and still are) time-synchronized to UST / GMT, it is possible to “reconstruct” the wave patterns.
The planet does NOT exist in a jar of aspic. “Steady-state” geology (and biology) were thoroughly discredited almost two hundred years ago, and yet. here we re dealing with a fresh herd of politically-motivated Luddites.
As my somewhat cynical brother put it:
“The most dangerous organism on the planet is a “concerned citizen”” See also “professional hand-wringers”.
Also, as H. L. Mencken eloquently opined:
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The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule”.
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Snowball Earth solves this horrible, horrible problem.
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120 seismometers all over the world started to record a freakish shake every 90 seconds like a metronome.
Impressive. But paywalled. No actual seismogram shown. Nor the locations of 120 seismometers. Does all-over-the-world include the southern hemisphere?
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