Who wouldn’t want to wake up to these beautiful towers…
By Jo Nova
Just another community horror thanks to Green fantasies
Australia’s Power Grid is full they say, and to collect all the sacred green electrons and save the world now means building thousands of kilometers of high voltage towers that will carve up farms and wilderness, damage property values, and ruin good farming land. For some reason, inner city activists think that’s a good idea.
But out in the country farmers and rural people are angry.
Western Victorian Farmer protesting against new High Voltage Transmission Towers
Few people want giant wind turbines spoiling the view and their sleep, but if the turbines are built in lonely far-flung spots, then thousands of 70m high steel towers will have to cross the land anyhow to connect their useless electrons.
In theory the Renewable Crash Test Dummy nation “needs” another 10,000km of new transmission lines and they’re supposed to be built before 2030. To get some idea of just how impossible this is, consider Humelink which is meant to be the interconnector to “Snowy 2.0” (the doomed pumped storage scheme). It is only 360km long and was supposed to cost $1.1 billion but is now projected to cost $3.3 billion. What will the other 9,600 kilometers worth cost?
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We’re struggling to build those towers
It may have seemed like a good idea on the back of an envelope in Canberra, but out in the country, landowners are forming alliances to refuse the compensation on offer, saying they want the lines put underground, which will make building the transmission lines even slower and much more expensive. Only about 40% of the property owners affected by Humelink plans have accepted the offers, which means 60% haven’t. Given the schedule for blowing up coal plants in Australia, governments here are getting desperate, and are ramping up the offers — in NSW and Victoria landowners could get as much as $200,000 per kilometer in compensation. In Queensland the going rate is $300,000.
Farmers are not impressed. Some were arguing that they would lose an 80 m wide easement across their land. They can’t build or dig too close to the towers in case it weakens the footings.
This banker (and his neighbours) could slow the energy transition
Angela Macdonald-Smith and Colin Packham —Australian Financial Review
Katz – and others – have already rejected an offer from the NSW government of $200,000 for every kilometre of his land crossed by a major infrastructure project, a payment which was designed to put an end to a deadlock between landowners and the state.
Katz says that allowing large pylons – each as tall as those on the Sydney Harbour Bridge – would reduce the value of his property by 30 per cent and significantly change how he manages his herd of cattle.
I do not believe, … that it makes sense to build it as an overhead line with such huge risks in causing environmental destruction in the name of saving the environment. That seems to me a non sequitur of monumental portions,” Katz tells AFR Weekend.
Origin Energy chief executive Frank Calabria assesses the scale of change required this decade to meet targets for 2030 as “truly staggering”.
Calabria told a business lunch in late November that the urgency and complexity of the challenge to meet the 2030 targets increases every day – as does the cost. The risk looms large of losing support for the transition from the community, which has been promised cheaper and cleaner energy from the process with little perception of the expense involved, he says.
One young Victorian farmer started building a new dream home only to find the bureaucrats wanted to erect the towers on his property and only 60m from his house. “I’m completely gutted,” he said.
4,000 people have joined the “Piss Off Ausnet” protest group in Victoria and protests are continuing. In NSW, the HumeLink Alliance are growing and further north The Merriwa Cassilis Alliance have won concessions in the Hunter Valley. (The line will now go through public land and old mining areas which will reduce the impact on farmers). Never mind about the wilderness though…
They explained some of the ways these transmission lines affect farmers:
By Redmond Herring Near Blampied in Vic.
It takes a lot of infrastructure to connect up the Green Totems:
So much infrastructure, all of it expensive and completely unneccessary. — Source: (Western Renewables Link)
Australians lose either way
If the government pays for the transmission lines, and pays adequate compensation to farmers, which they should if they build them, that just means the average Australian gets screwed for a even bigger bill to build the Green religious talismans against storms a hundred years from now.
The only people who benefit are the subsidy-farmers in the city, the foreign manufacturers of unreliable generators, adversaries that want to ruin competing industries, and any potential military foe.
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It would cost about 0.0001% of this to audit the UN science committees and find that it was all a waste of money.
I do a lot of bushwalking and you just never see these people in the wilderness or participating as volunteers for invasive weed removal or rubbish clean up. I bet they couldn’t even explain the process for producing food. They have no idea what lies beyond the inner city.
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Same goes for people engaging in cultural matters out bush. In my perambulations over many years I have never seen an individual or party visiting these important sites. This pertains to north NSW. Same goes for up market hippy types from the city all dressed up in the best bushwalking clobber complete with Birkenstock. Just my experience.
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The failure to build these things will be used to blame for grid failure when it inevitably happens, not the reliance on bird choppers and panels.
The useful idiots supporting and promoting solar and wind have no idea of the diffuse, random and trifling amount of power coming from these things as compared to a coal, gas, nuclear or hydro power station (not SH2).
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that we are. Now as a nation we are scared and cower, incapable of independent thought or action and have allowed the Left to infiltrate and dominate everything.
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There are many snouts in the trough for the solar and wind subsidy-harvesting scam such as Elites (supported by a slave army of useful idiots) and politicians that get elected on climate castrophe lies, but one of the less visible ones is the powerful, thuggish, brutish CFMEU construction union with 142,000 members Australia wide*. And their leaders instruct them to vote for the Labor faction of the Uniparty.
This scam has created huge numbers of high paying jobs for them creating a shortage of tradesmen (and high cost) for legitimate construction projects like houses, office buildings, roads etc..
* https://www.afr.com/work-and-careers/workplace/mining-union-invokes-law-breaking-to-escape-cfmeu-20220915-p5bid6
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This is not really accurate for Australia. It is a crime syndicate between wind and solar owners, electricity retailers and the Federal Government to rob from electricity consumers.
The “subsidy” is not from general revenue. It is targeted theft from poorer electricity consumers who cannot afford to own any generating assets.
Wind and solar crime syndicate would be more accurate.
I expected the level of theft to be reducing by now as the RET was being reached causing the price of LGCs to tank. However the target has been increased to 35% of all electricity
Theft currently running at $58/MWh for grid scale “green” energy.
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I realise it isn’t a direct government i.e. taxpayer-funded subsidy Rick, but it is still a subsidy skimmed off the top of consumer power bills.
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“climate castrophe lies”
You may be closer to the truth than you thought, David: how about –
‘climb it… cash trophy’
They had to kill the planet to save it.
Maybe ‘climb it… castration’ ?
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Only going to kill our civilization. The planet will be fine.
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Australia can only build at most 700 km to 800 km of Transmission lines a year so trying to build 10,000 kms of Transmission lines by 2030 is impossible unless Blackout Bowen has a magic wand. Which he hasn’t. He has cotton wool for brains.
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There is absolutely no benefit in creating, so called, renewable electricity, but then, to send it vast distances to the point of use is an obvious calculated insult to all Australians.
That renewables are an Environmental Nightmare is beyond question.
They are also the most expensive source of electricity but the hard core, raison d’etre is that they hasten the collapse of our once promising civilisation.
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The coast, particularly Teal and Labor electorates, is the obvious place for wind turbines. 😉
That is where most electricity is used, and it is also often windier.
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Exactly, and preferably in the public parks closest to the Teale-Green electorate offices; not offshore where whales, dolphins and other sea life will be injured.
The current plan to destroy the ocean and sea life off the nsw coast between port stephens and Wyong should be relocated to say, Waverly or the North Shore, to save the whales.
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And to annoy the local land whales
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They are all NIMBYs. My electorate is surrounded by them and I can assure you neither they nor the government will ever countenance wind or solar farms in North Sydney, Mosman or Manly and the Northern Beaches. They clamour for it, but not where it impacts them. And worse, talking to people in those electorates it is horrifying that so many of them believe 2030 is achievable, and they still believe it after you have clearly explained why it is impossible to achieve.
Like Bowen, the Teals and many in their electorates seriously expect magic to happen. What angers me the most is that all of us who have seen this disaster evolving will have to suffer along with those fools. Although I live in an apartment, I am going to buy a diesel generator.
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If the inner city activists ever left their trendy coffee shops and “safe places” and visited the countryside they would appreciate the massive environmental damage caused by the bird choppers such as dead insects, bats and birds (struck by blades moving at about 90kph at the hub to around 300kph at the tip), infrasound, shocking visual impact, degradation of farmland, shadow flicker, removal of trees etc..
And a machine that is mostly not recyclable (blades and massive concrete base) and consumes large amounts of resources due to short life and frequent maintenance requirements including large amounts of oil for the gearbox. And vast amounts of toxic waste from rare earth mineral mining in China for the magnets.
Not to mention the destruction of society, decrease of standard of living (for non-Elites) and shortages brought about by the high electricity prices they cause.
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No they wouldn’t. I can say that with absolute certainty.
Have you spoken to any of these people recently? They are complete imbeciles. When you talk with them, they have a different set of logic rules, as if belief is all important and logic is secondary, as a result they will defy your logic in the most absurd ways. I find that they become child like, insulting but not able to back up their insults or explain their beliefs. They certainly know what they are allowed to believe, but they are also determined to prevent themselves from wandering from their religious doctrine. They cannot persuade you of their beliefs because they don’t understand why they believe what they believe, it is like talking to pre-pubescent children who have been indoctrinated by their parents to say that God is Good. Don’t ask the child “why” God is Good, the child will just say “he just is”.
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Great summary, and describes many of my relatives!
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Yes 🙂
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I’ve visited a wind facility and we were allowed inside the base. The tower is steel and magnets hold the ladder to the sides – no holes needed that would weaken the tower. The concrete base is also home to lots of steel so the tower can be anchored. Somewhat like the Space Needle in Seattle.
Search with an images tab for …
“base concrete and steel wind tower”
… and several photos can be found.
When the tower is removed, decommissioned, or abandoned, all but the top meter will remain in the ground. Future archaeologists will be left to figure these out.
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What happens to the power line infrastructure which is no longer needed when a coal fired station closes? Are the towers and wires recycled, scrapped or left to degrade?
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When Leftists decree the premature closure of a power station, or it is closed because it’s at end of life, when it’s demolished most of it is recyclable.
In sensible countries (not Australia) if a power station is shut down prematurely it is mothballed for when it will be inevitably needed again but that doesn’t happen in the Dumb Country.
The power stations are demolished with great urgency to ensure they can never be used again.
Often explosions of parts are done as spectacular media/propaganda events. That sort of thing appeals to the simpletons that demand closure of power stations.
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It’s very interesting that the practical Germans did not blow up their brown coal power. And it is running again, but they are struggling to find people who know how to run the systems.
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As I have said before, coal fired Power Stations have been shut down and destroyed, simply out of spite, so that they can never be used again !!
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This current situation reminds me of how the Newcastle State Dockyard came to its end.
At a time of great opportunity, the union gave each employee a handgun and told them to shoot themselves in the foot.
They Did. And the dockyard shut down.
This type of thinking has always been around.
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It’s sent to China.
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In the old days, the replacement power station was built nearby, or additional units were built onsite, so no need for additional lines.
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You mean- what happens when a Coal fired power station is forced to close…..
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Not sure anybody really answered your question Peter. A closed coal power station near me didn’t impact the transmission lines, as these came from the station’s main distribution station. That distribution station is still in operation 70 years later. As for some of the towers, they were gradually replaced with thinner single poles, so now aren’t so noticeable as suburbs were built around them. But the main power lines still follow that original line routes setup 80 years ago.
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As to placing the transmission lines underground, the short answer is:
Costs are increased by a factor of 5 to 15 times.
Construction time is tripled.
There are eddy current losses between phases, higher capacitiance, sheath losses, and insulation losses.
Underground repairs take weeks to months vs hours or days for overhead lines.
Refs: https://electrical-engineering-portal.com/download-center/books-and-guides/electricity-generation-t-d/hv-cables-underground
https://www.xcelenergy.com/staticfiles/microsites/Transmission/Files/PDF/Projects/CO/Overhead-vs.-Underground-Fact-Sheet.pdf
And, all of these costs ought to be borne by the generator that is requiring their construction and factored into the price of the power being provided. The financial situation quickly becomes untenable.
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There are also significant thermal losses due to the enclosed trenches. Just another loss of efficiency to add to the rest.
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I once did a study for a former labour government about the cost of undergrounding all the powerlines in Victoria – this was over 20 years ago and it came out at around $60B then, and of course it never happened. The only reason they want to put powerlines above ground now is cost.
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If we are to accept the non-interference with above-ground activities as a new project constraint, this redefines the problem. It may be that electrical cables are no longer feasible and that for some segments of the overall power transmission line, non-electrical methods will be the only form that meets all constraints in that segment.
There’s several other ways power can be transmitted from one place to another.
Giant hydraulic transmission pipes? High pressure and low flow to minimise friction losses.
Long cable-and-pulley sets? High tension and low speed to minimise noise losses.
In both types, mechanical failure risk reduced through redundancy at higher maintenance cost.
Alternatively the power can be sent electrically, but the towers would have to be taller to minimise arcing risk, and aerial spraying may have to shift to using fleets of drones that fly underneath the power lines.
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The wind farm at Bungendore near Lake George is one of the oldest in New South Wales and must be more than 20 years old. I wonder if it is nearing its end and if so what will happen to it for that will set the scene for our future. Before I retired I farmed corn and sorghum at different times and used aerial delivery of insecticides. Power lines were the standard of about 7 or 8 metres high and the crop dusters could fly over them. The High tension ones being built and proposed are far higher and it is illegal to fly under them so aerial delivery of any crop treatment is going to be curtailed. These towers will be the end of some farm’s best management procedures and result in lower productivity. So a double whammy; ruination of agriculture as well as useless electrons.
PM Albanese will lose the next election thanks to Bowen’s madness. He will be aided by inflation, unemployment and greater government debt much of those ills created by the rush to renewables. Oh joy.
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Very good point Lawrie. And not only the power lines, the windmill towers which might 230m high at the tip render crop dusting undoable as well.
So they are removing large amounts of land from crop dusting for fertiliser, micronutrients and pest control.
This will naturally decrease the food supply, as is indeed the plan. So perhaps not necessarily an “unintended consequence” but a useful additional benefit for those that wish to control us by engineered restrictions on the energy and the food supply.
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As the turbine blades constantly shed micro fibres laced with BPA, surely it wouldn’t be a good idea to grow crops or run cattle on land under or close to any wind farm.
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Is the question about the Capital Wind Facility?
If so, it is 14 years old. Runs at a capacity factor of 27.88%.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_Wind_Farm
Operating conditions and maintenance are important in aging. Upkeep and replacement can extend the life. Maybe as much as 10 to 15 years for this one, mid-2030s.
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yep but still on the old side. There is another farm right next door https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woodlawn_Wind_Farm with 23 units that is about the same age. The capital farm has 67 which means 90 in total – I wonder if that was a limiting number for the region?
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What doesn’t appear to be mentioned is the need to derate a wind turbine’s output, I believe as early as only 10 years lifetime.
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They ignore what is consumed to create these useless items in terms of oil and minerals.
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This wind farm was meant to provide renewable energy to the Sydney Desalination Plant in Sydney. As this Plant is still in mothballs, then I wonder where all those electrons are going.
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The latest revelations emerging from the alleged rape after hours in Parliament House Canberra should put another large hole in the Albo Labor Government.
Whatever it takes!
Relentless negativity, painting, smearing, weaselling ……
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I am so old … that I remember when Labor, under Julia Gillard, attacked the gold plating of electricity infrastructure – as being the proximate cause for increases in power costs (and not BTW the carbon tax).
Now we have Labor, under Albanese, fully advocating and endorsing this ‘price gouging’ on a national scale.
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I believe that PM Gillard was shocked (no pun intended).
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And don’t forget the number of windmills required.
To supply 50% of the AEMO grid would require about 13,000 windmills, 40,000 MW nameplate capacity, delivering on average 12,000 MW.
Space them 500 metres apart, and if all those towers were put in a line, 500 metres apart, the line would be 6,500 kms long, the distance from Sydney to Perth plus Melbourne to Darwin – our very own Southern Cross covering the country.
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And on top of that, more wires to go to battery storage sites.
Everything about it is insane from an engineering point of view and an environmental (CO2) point of view.
But that’s not the purpose of this madness. It’s control of non-Elites and reduction in the standard of living. The Left aren’t even hiding it. Herr Commandant Schwab tells us “you will own nothing and be happy”.
Owning nothing is the easy part. How will we be happy? I guess they’ll mass administer psychoactive drugs into the water or food supply…
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And then consider removal, dumping and replacement costs every 15-25 years.
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The footprint of coal and gas is close to zero and the distribution is in place. Zero cost. Inherited wealth. So blow it all up.
The incredible cost and massive area of devastated, unusuable, wasted agricultural land for windmills energy is criminal. Solar is far worse. To supply Melbourne, an area equal to half of Victoria would have to be covered and then where would we and the animals and birds and wildlife live? Green energy is an total ecological disaster. And that includes Snowy II ripping through the National Park area, our greatest and most senseless project, now over $20Billion!
Who is going to pay for this incredibly folly? We are. The sheer cost of building ‘free’ power and then the distribution is shocking as taxes soar to pay for things we don’t need and cannot afford. Victoria’s just announced new lines alone are $3.2Bn. All supposedly to save us? From what? Except that’s very short term given the lifespan of solar and wind and will do nothing at all to reduce CO2. Which is not a proven problem anyway.
And we in Australia and the Southern Hemisphere are a CO2 sink. Why are we doing this? 98% of all CO2 is from overseas and at least 30% is from just one extremely selfish country China and no one says anything while they send us a killer virus, ban our agricultural products and open threaten our security and war in the region?
I cannot understand why our politicians are imposing these massive and unnecessary costs on us. But it is all coming from China. Windmills, solar panels, transmission lines, wire. Australian iron helped a booming Japan build the fleet which then threatened our very existence and now we are openly arming to defend ourselves against our biggest trading partner and biggest threat with $356Billion for submarines. History is repeating. Why are we doing this?
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TdeF I think you are possibly underestimating that ” 98% of all CO2 is from overseas.”
Many parts of the world still use minimal electricity and rely on cooking stoves that burn anything that is carbonaceous and can be scrounged within a few metres of home. After denuding local scrub some even burn dried cow dung to get bye.
None of this “natural” combustion is included in the CO2 count.
I suspect that the true overseas CO2 contribution is closer to 99.9%.
The UNIPCCC could help reduce this hidden CO2 by helping outback China, India and Papua Nu Guinea get some environmentally friendly coal fired power plants.
But that’s being too sensible.
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Possibly. But the real energy needs of the people of Nepal and Bangladesh and Senegal are modest. Cooking. Boiling water. Very basic agriculture like Egypt. You eat what you grow where you live. Hand to mouth. Meat is unusual. Travel and transport don’t exist. Nor sanitation or manufacturing.
Western industrialized societies use electricity to avoid climbing stairs. So our CO2 is largely from industrial and transport power and even electronic power use is relatively small, except for BitCoin mining which is bigger than most countries.
China is opening a new coal power plant each week. And in a single year will increase its CO2 output by more than Australia’s total.
India will catch up. So again, why are we shutting everything down? And the world is not warming anyway, which is the ONLY alleged problem.
It’s not even Green. To me the only explanation is that our politicians including Albanese and Andrews and Bandt are getting their instructions directly from the Chinese Communist Party. Nothing they are doing is in the interest of Australians.
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China will take as much of our coal and iron ore as we will produce. But we are not allowed use it ourselves? Why?
And under the new law ‘Safeguard mechanism’ all the ‘biggest polluters’ will have to nearly halve CO2 in the next 7 years. That’s not only all electricity and gas but all mining, trucking, transport in general, farming machinery, chemical manufacture, concrete, glass, shipping, trains and even sewage and the Tasmanian Ferry. Though I did read that steel making and concrete only have to reduce 1% per year not 5% because someone might have pointed out that it is completely insane and these massive businesses would have to shut overnight.
So our politicians have already legislated the imminent rapid destruction of Australia. Why?
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And, we still continue to subsidise China’s postage.
Just to demonstrate our subservience….
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The footprint of a solar farm is calculated to be 17 times that of a same-rated coal power station. But since the solar CF is less than 30%, then the footprint is 50 times.
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King island proves that the TOXIC W & S idiocy is a disaster and will never be able to generate enough electricity now or into the future.
This morning King island is generating SFA from W & S and the Diesel is providing the RELIABLE BASE-LOAD power as usual.
Australia will have zero chance of winning any future war if we’re relying on UNRELIABLE TOXIC W & S and ditto all the other wealthy OECD countries.
But Russia and China will be very pleased that we continue to wreck our future for a verifiable ZERO change to the weather or climate.
https://www.hydro.com.au/clean-energy/hybrid-energy-solutions/success-stories/king-island
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The Green extremists are also coming after farmers in Germany, Ireland and in the USA thanks to the Kerry loony.
A big reduction in red meat seems to be on their agenda and fairly soon we’ll all be eating bugs if they have their way.
But very sane people are also telling them that proper nutrition includes a diet of meat, so let’s hope that sanity prevails.
But I’ll believe it when I see it, although just one sausage a month seems very drastic for the average German meat lover.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/06/07/only-one-sausage-per-month-for-everyone-german-nutrition-society-recommends-over-90-reduction-in-daily-meat-eating-to-combat-global-warming/
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Ignorance is a conscious choice.
Just as someone who makes a conscious choice to drink and drive is considered liable for any harm they may do, so too must people who choose to be ignorant be held liable for the harm they cause.
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No End to Price Shocks: Think Tank
Warns Against Closing Australia’s
Largest Power Station
Eraring coal-fired power station, the largest in Australia, on the shores of Lake Macquarie
southeast of Newcastle in New South Wales, Australia.
The New South Wales (NSW) Labor government must do everything it can to
stop the closure of the Eraring Power Station, with one think tank warning its
shutdown could trigger major energy shortages and price hikes.
By Nick Spencer
June 6, 2023 Updated: June 7, 2023
Eraring’s seemingly inevitable closure will follow that of Liddell Power
Station, Australia’s second-largest power plant, which supplied power to
approximately 750,000 Australian homes until its decommissioning in April.
“The closure of the Liddell Power Station has placed Australia’s energy
generation network on the brink. Today the challenge is clear, no more
affordable and reliable energy can be safely removed from the grid,” said the
Institute of Public Affair’s executive director, Scott Hargreaves, in a
statement on May 30.
“What is occurring in Australia has already been tried and has failed
elsewhere. Germany and California offer sobering lessons for Australia on the
risks of moving towards a higher level of dependence on renewable energy.”
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“Germany and California offer sobering lessons for Australia”
The big difference there is that Germany and California can import electricity when they are short.
Australia CANNOT !
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Dr Koonin showed during his debate with Dessler that TOXIC UNRELIABLE W & S couldn’t replace proper BASE-LOAD energy like coal, gas , hydro or nuclear. And he also noted that connecting this unreliable lunacy to the grid would cost at least 2.4 TRILLION $ for the USA.
Here’s part of his quote and Andy May’s coverage of the debate and the link.
https://www.climatedepot.com/2022/08/16/skeptic-wins-rare-climate-debate-in-new-york-city-its-official-warmist-andrew-dessler-lost-to-physicist-steve-koonin-audience-voted-koonin-the-winner/
“Dessler believes that wind and solar produce electricity cheaper than fossil fuels, and that they can provide most of our power. Koonin counters that the only reason wind and solar are cheaper is that the cost of fossil fuel backup and the required changes to the U.S. grid are not included in the solar and wind costs. Koonin shows an estimate of $2.4 trillion to upgrade our electric grid to work with mostly wind and solar”.
“Koonin stated that the costs of climate change are minimal, and in 100 years will not be noticeable because the world economy will grow so much in that time. Climate change, even in the worse scenarios, only reduces growth very slightly, by 4% or less, and everyone will still be better off. He notes that in the past global warming and climate change have benefited mankind since people are much better off today and much more resilient to climate change than 100 years ago. He also points out that the poor of today should not be made to suffer because the elites (that is the U.S. and the western world) believe, without evidence and only based on models, that fossil fuels are polluting. He adds that solar and wind are not pollution free.”
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Even Lomborg admits that despite global warming we’ll all be better off by 2100. So why do we want to WASTE TRILLIONs of $ on the UNRELIABLE W & S money pit for NOTHING? Here’s a quote from his talk at the Hoover Institution.
https://www.hoover.org/news/visiting-fellow-bjorn-lomborg-analyzes-financial-costs-and-benefits-mitigating-effects-climate
Lomborg’s quote….
“More than one hundred years ago, Lomborg noted, flooding in proportion to global gross domestic product (GDP) was 0.5 percent. Over the century, it has decreased by a factor of ten, to 0.05 percent. He said that while future global warming will lead to more severe weather patterns, the environmental costs will remain minimal, as growth in prosperity and better technology will help mitigate the impact of natural disasters”.
“Lomborg added that the current cost of hurricane damage accounts for 0.04 percent of GDP. Projected one hundred years from now, absent of future global warming, the cost will decrease to 0.01 percent. Accounting for global warming, the cost doubles to 0.02 percent of GDP but is still considerably lower than it is today”.
“Overall, we will be better off even with global warming,” Lomborg said.
Please take a few minutes to read all of his quote at the link.
He isn’t a sceptic about so called CC but he doesn’t think it will be a disaster and he always provides the evidence.
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G’day Neville,
I reckon Lomborg has misused the language here, and “will” should be replaced with “may” as a brief correction:
” …future global warming will lead to more severe weather patterns,…”.
Cheers
Dave B
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I agree David, but he heads a very large team of economists, maths gurus and climate experts and I think he goes with their consensus.
IOW I think your “may” is the more accurate choice.
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Everyone forgets. The AGW campaigners never said the global warming disasters they predict would ever happen. The bait was the forecasting of POSSIBLE future disaster that COULD come after current populations were dead and buried. Have to be careful for OUR KIDS’s Futures, they said. With so many failed computer generated disaster predictions, the activists switched the name of their plan to GLOBAL WARMING which obviously allows them to minimalise the referencing to CO2. They now use normal disaster events to infer but not state the CO2 cause. ‘Polution’ is the preferred camouflage term.
The activists are never challenged to be specific about their incrimination of CO2, yet CO2 is so essential to life on earth that it’s an argument they could never win in a defined conversation. Zealotry (ie closed minded thinking) on the one hand and the aims of the extremes of left and right international politics on the other, along with compliant, too government dependent Western people, are driving us to the wall.
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Australia had the smartest man in Australia, Philp Lowe, telling us to work harder and longer to drive down inflation because they do not know why productivity is falling – can you believe that. These clowns have no idea why productivity is falling. They are as thick as two bricks.
On the other hand we are constantly being told that “renewable” energy will create massive amount of jobs. So all these people are installing useless stuff made in China like wind generators, solar generators, transmission lines, batteries, synchronous inverters, pumped storage and so on and they wonder why productivity is not lifting. None of these things improve productivity because it does not replace anything apart from a tiny amount of coal and gas that has to be exported up front to come back as useless stuff.
Farmers are being bribed by the crime syndicate to put wind turbines on the land and power line easements meaning that they are using the criminal proceeds instead of actually farming to make a living. And Philip Lowe wonders why productivity is not increasing!!
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Peta Credlin has nailed it. Australia is blessed with an abundance of energy. However there is a serious flaw – the lack of useful matter between the ears of the watermelons currently running the country.
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I can sort of tie what I want to say to this topic, by wondering if the West Australian attempt at ‘permitting’ any 50mm soil disturbance, will be attempted in the Eastern states? Imagine the paper work involved for thousands of power line, and turbine, and solar concrete pads!
Possibly deferring to a hundred Aboriginal Nations can lead to a single nation?? Stag nation.
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Imagine trying to install fenceposts.
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or plough the wheat paddock.
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If these transmission lines are like the currently proposed “green” wind, solar and pumped hydro projects here n Qld, they won’t be subject to any environmental examination at all. It seems they’re deemed to have priority over any environmental concerns or preservation. The pumped hydro scheme at Eungela west of Mackay is a case in point. Even the local landowners who will be affected knew nothing about it prior to the state government announcement, and no known environmental impact studies have been done.
I’d imagine that, in the same vein, the government has done a deal with the urban indigenous to overlook any of those concerns as well.
After all, the “green” steamroller must not be impeded.
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Great article Jo. In an offhand way I have been witnessing these industrial wind plants built on farm land since the late 1990’s. Even from the very start (Challicum Hills near Ararat) there were local farmers vocal against their installation. A lot were those who had missed out on the installation on their properties, so weren’t enjoying the annual rent income. Now up to $30-40 k per tower per annum. But they still had to look at the ugly monstrosities. So, those colourful signs have been hanging on fences etc for 20 years. The wind turbines have certainly created a lot of local animosity, particularly those in the Waubra ( North West of Ballarat) area. But the Wind companies are smooth, winning over hearts and minds. Usually it’s a large donation to the local fire brigade, footy/ cricket club or similar. I attended a CHFL AFL footy game on the weekend and as you drove through the front gate, either side was the sponsors name in big signage. But now the opposition to any of these wind tower installs is very significant and this has spread to these powerlines. In fact the install of the powerlines probably affects more people than the wind turbines themselves, because with the latter you could restrict to only a handful of landowners. The lines will have to go underground – there is no other solution, apart from not building them at all. That last photo in the story tells another story. The completely useless Liberal National Party in Victoria – our so called opposition. “Staley”- she was my local state member, but was recently voted out in favour of Labor. There is a saying about a female appendage on a male intact bovine that comes to mind, which basically summarises her performance in Vic parliament.
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I still have trouble reconciling Chris Bowens claim that nuclear is more expensive than what they are doing. The fact that nuclear can be built where coal fired power plants are / were means that the existing transmission wires can be used But on top of the obvious savings involved in transmission what is the cost of a system that is not fit for purpose. Even with the transmission completed sometime in the never never it will not reliably supply 24/7 supply.
Whilst nuclear is the obvious answer the best solution would be press the reverse button, go back to coal upgrade or build new plants and with the change left over build a few hospitals. Make a proper effort to re-educate the population that 1. There is no climate crisis and 2. If you can’t be convinced that this is true adapt to change rather than try crazy things to change the weather.
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All politicians and bureaucrats who push for such destructive ‘green’ lunacy should be hanged from bridges – metaphorically of course. But then…hmmmm?
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🙂
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But the majority of them still vote Greens/Teal/Labor.
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We can’t even bypass towns on our nation’s busiest highways, let alone build this.
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Well the installations are “wind farms” according to the environmentally focused Greens, and Pale Green Teals.
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Good point Dennis, they justify this crackpot notion by implying that we are merely replacing farms with farms. Brilliant.
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Research paper:
Reminder to covid vaccine pushers: Time for your eighth dose.
Don’t forgive. Don’t forget. Prosecute.
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Wish they’d do the statistical analysis on anthropogenic global warming. Maybe AI could cope with all the variables. Would have to keep a close watch on those constructing the AI to start with.
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“constructing the AI” – that’s the key. the Answer is locked.
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In China they do this sort of thing all the time, over ride people for the collective good, complain and you might find yourself in trouble. The fascists are a forced to be reckoned with, however, this could never happen in Oz.
https://stopthesethings.com/2023/06/07/blood-panels-chinese-solar-industry-built-on-industrial-scale-slavery/
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Wouldn’t worry to much about the machinery problems. People are forgetting, they will all be electric powered vehicles, scattered around the properties, like transport vehicles on the roads, all run out of power and awaiting a tow to the nearest charging point. Then the electric towing vehicles run out of…. .
There is also the fact that Labor hates farmers and the limits on what they do, the penalties to be inflicted for crossing the mad limits, the taxes placed on methane from stock, the replacement of productive crop and pasture acreages by trees are all aimed at decimating what little food production we eventually have left at the hands of these craven vandals.
The craziness involved in this destruction of the fully functional ff powered electricity system is just unimaginable. Even Henry Ford saw the impracticality of electricity as the power supply for vehicles. The absolute crazy zealotry is seen in this destruction with no known effective replacement renewables power system on the planet where solar and wind power by themselves have ever functioned to provide all power requirements for a nation like ours. The absurdity and tunnel visioned brainpower of our politicians knows no limits! It’s a Parliamentary disease, almost a prior requirement for those that have never run anything to be preselected to sit in government over us.
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Piss off ausnet is way to polite
F@#k off is more like it
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Who needs Farmers looks like the EU doesn’t need them either- or is it what they produce ? coceral – the european cereal handling folk / assoc. or whatever, has released figures showing a fall in output this year. What does that mean for Australia and N America ( naw we’re no’ thinking about S America )
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