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An important aspect of our discussion has been to identify what’s actually going on in the sciopolitical arena that surrounds us.
In the last thread so many of the early comments highlighted what was happening and, in my opinion, illuminated aspects of government/ bureaucratic behaviour that were probably infringing on our legal rights as honest, hardworking citizens.
https://joannenova.com.au/2023/04/is-climate-change-really-caused-by-electronic-thermometers-the-bom-dont-want-australians-to-see-the-data/#comment-2657437
If we accept that, the next thrust of our energy should go towards punishing those who are not acting correctly and bring some justice to those whose businesses, lives, deaths, education and future has been smashed.
Shouldn’t we see this action as the next appropriate step.
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A laudable aim, Keith, but an impossibility from where we are now. We need some baby steps to get where we can do what you propose, and that involves getting some people elected who are prepared to lay those charges.
The way is simple: – next election, federal or state, and every subsequent election until our aim is achieved, in the HoR number the sitting member LAST if they are Liberal, Labor, National or Greens. In the Senate simply don’t include them at all.
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I proposed that we begin to discuss how to move in that direction.
We know the past quite clearly and the question is:
how do we recover the legal protection from predators that we’re entitled to.
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By getting rid of the predators in the manner I described, and then replacing them with people who will actually represent our will, which is what they are supposed to do.
To cure a cancer first you must remove the corrupted tissue.
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You haven’t read my comment.
You’re proposing to use a failed method to rectify the failed system?
https://joannenova.com.au/2023/04/saturday-2/#comment-2657525
It hasn’t worked, but somehow it will for you?
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What else do you propose?
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Hi Peter, every public legal confrontation, even if it gets shut down, is putting the manipulators on notice that the story isn’t over yet.
Some months ago I put in a small amount of cash for a legal action which I think did involve Peter Fam.
A local here is giving legal advice and representation to many individuals who have been pushed out of jobs and otherwise treated badly by the system. These cases may serve as a stepping stone when new material comes to light that supports the original case.
There’s a small amount of this pushback, most lose, but it’s on record.
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It hasn’t “worked” because it’s never been tried.
It’s never failed because it’s never been tried for one of two reasons –
– Because everybody “knows” a Liberal/Labor/National politician who is different from the rest. If you doubt this go back and read any of the dozens of defences of Tony Abbott that mushroom any time he is criticised, or
– Because so many people here ardently believe voting out a Liberal/Labor/National politician will automatically see their seat taken by a Green.
The ruling uniparty junta will continue to ride roughshod over us for as long as such ignorant foolishness prevails.
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O.K. You win.
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MV,
I love your assumption that voting changes anything . The system is easy to cheat because it’s a (rigged) popularity contest .
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MV,
My company, Peko, tried the Court process several times. We took the Fed Ab Affairs minister there several times for not abiding by the Act, effectively lost most when he said he’d go away and abide. Took the Vic EPA on when they tried to enforce an industrial cleanup we inherited, that was too hard and expensive and won. Personally, I managed against the Fed Minister for Environment over World Heritage takeover of land we held under Fed mining leases. Won in Fed Court, lost on appeal. The full High Court said too complicated, forget it. This was in the mid- 1980 era.
Sadly, few other corporations saw the need to stop the rot, so we are now being exploited and disadvantaged.
It is not too late to recommence important, targeted litigation.
Geoff S
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Memoryvault,
We MUST get back to our ORIGINAL constitution that was
usurped by Gough in 1973, WITHOUT a Referendum.
ALL of “our governments” have been acting Illegally and Unlawfully
since that time.
Rod Cullerton is the only one I have seen that is fighting this fight.
He is doing a sterling job and MUST HAVE all the support we can give him.
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J&T I suggest that we should go back to the tax system at federation ie taxing is done by the states as it is in Switzerland. A proportion of income of the states is given to the federal government (I think 7% in Swiyzerland) for defence, foreign affairs and national issues such as major road and rail. Failed states like SA, Tas and Vic should not be subsidised. Eventually, failed states will need to consider cheaper power (maybe nuclear power), and mining (gas in Victoria)
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Step one: we should prosecute those in the BOM who have damaged or lost vital past temperature records.
Step two; bureaucratic CV19 lockdowns should be put on trial. PoliCrats should justify their lockydowns in a court and if they cannot show just cause, then their superannuation fund should be put to compensating for damage caused. GHunt could be first?
Step three; educational damage from lockdown. Compensation?
There are lawyers/solicitors who would act on these.
Let’s set up a fund with donations.
Action, pushback.
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I think those lawyers are hard to find at present.
Julian Gillespie and Peter Fam are working with AMPS to address the many problems of the vaccine mandates. So far they have been blocked at every turn in the courts.
https://www.malcolmrobertsqld.com.au/barrister-releases-bombshell-legal-opinion-on-alleged-illegal-control-of-doctors-conduct/
Operation Pushback;
Sounds good.
There are a lot of projects that I could commit money to. So far I have chosen the IPA and JoNovas blog.
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The huge protests in Canberra collectively found 1.2 million people participating, adding many who wanted to, I suspect was infiltrated.
Why?
No one mentioned joining a major political party, rather ” vote for me’.
It’s frustrating. Keating mentioned when Labour branch heads hear about Arkus sub deal, it’s finished.
Membership = policy change.
Wake up.
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Sure we should discuss it. But prosecutions cost money whereas public sector sackings save money. Public sector science is so bad that the key strategic measure is simply to thin out the numbers to give us fiscal topside in a no blame environment.
How about the idea that the microwave background is evidence for the Big Bang creation event? Or the Keynesian multiplier? Or that molten iron is creating a magnetic field? Or that the moon creates a water bulge on the earths far side?
If I go on listing off public sector science absurdities pretty soon most people get offended and by extension we have to anticipate that any punishment will get turned on Mavericks. We need to sack most public servants just to survive. That is where the focus ought to be.
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They are not called”Public Serpents”for nothing.
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We could start by supporting the few good men and women we do manage to get into parliament. It is disgusting that we allowed the wets in the liberals to assassinate Abbott.
Not sure how we can promote the wiser heads but that’s where to start.
Maybe we should join a party and agitate change from the base.
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I tried that and joined the Liberal party. Covid got in the way firstly, then I ran into opposition from the admin machinery.
I gave up my membership but continue to present my views to the party. A big problem is that I cannot access the membership which is controlled by the admin.
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At least my member listened about the Voice. He stated in a newsletter that in a survey of his electorate (in which he is the member) over 72% will vote no. He is one who supports the liberal stance. Same with the member in the adjacent electorate where I used to live.
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“Maybe we should join a party and agitate change from the base.”
I tried that with the Nats 35 years ago.
I didn’t make it out the kitchen door.
51 years now. There must be something we agreed on. Can’t remember what it was.
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Voice from the wilderness at last.
We are asserting for a tsunami of memberships,
Get it yet?
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I agree Memoryvault,
Our authorities will not act under the current situation. Nor will the courts.
A new set of politicians is needed.
I put a good deal of effort into supporting the UAP campaign at the last Federal election. The results were modest but we did get Ralph Babbitt elected as a Senator for Victoria, despite getting about 3.5% of the vote.
He is doing an outstanding job. So are Gerard Rennick, Malcolm Roberts, Alex Antic, Matt Canavan and Pauline Hanson, in the federal parliament. If we can double those numbers at the next election things might start to happen.
One disappointment is the fragmentation of the minor conservative parties. Lib Dems tended to give their presences to the Liberal Party, rather than voting down the line to PHON, AUP and Ricardo Bossi’s party ( can’t remember what it is called)
It would be quicker and better if the Liberal party could be restored but I don’t see that happening yet. Still to many Linos there. I am hoping that Simon Birmingham gets a shove out of cabinet but he seems to be hanging on at present.
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It’s obvious to me result’s of $Elections are manipulated.
What will change the socio-political landscape is the major political parties are flooded with memberships=policy change.
Unfortunately until cash in peoples bank account’s become restrictive due to digitisation the major parties remain untouched.
Lesson, JOIN THEM NOW.
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That should be obvious to all Australians.
What scares me is that even if the vast majority vote No in the VOICE referendum, will that be manipulated into a Yes?
Also, *how can it be that I gave a thumbs up to your comment, then came back later to find you’re back to zero thumbs up, so thinking my previous vote hadn’t registered properly, I clicked the thumb-up again and got the ‘Duplicate Vote’ error message?
*How can there have been a duplicate vote when the vote count is still zero?
Something glitchy in the system?
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A laudable aim, M.V. but an impossibility from where we are now.
Voting has been shown to not work. We need publicity of the wrongs being perpetrated against us and attempts to prosecute and expose the wrongdoers.
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If we accept that, the next thrust of our energy should go towards punishing those who are not acting correctly and bring some justice to those whose businesses, lives, deaths, education and future has been smashed.
Once Artificial Intelligence is accepted & is used to create policy, who will be accountable??
Will the departmental computer stand trial, go to jail??
AI will become an excuse. It will also excuse those responsible for acting on AI composed policies, decisions & outcomes.
One may also suggest that if AI is the Nirvana to policy & governance we will certainly save a lot of money by letting a computer run the country & get rid of the Federal, & State governments. I guess AI will be used as a shield for Government to hide behind!
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Good, but will the bureaucrats replaced by AI accept that they are no longer useful and just go.
Billy Gates will be happy to have his computing warriors attend the minor maintenance issues with the system.
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What happens when the societal structures of civility, construct a framework that acts without civility, and demands things like … stay in your house, can’t gather to pray, can’t access unofficial medical care, and stop questioning the official narrative and submit to these multiple medical injections?
Didn’t Dan A (and many others) say something to affect of “do as we say, or we will expel you from society”?
A mortal faux ‘civil’ threat.
In my part of the world, civil authorities have, and are, creating ‘civil’ legal structures to make challenge to that authority functionally moot, if not outright criminal.
Opposition opinions at universities is met with literal violence which is then defended and allowed by these same ‘civil’ authorities.
It has evolved that remaining civil means to attempt no challenge to established ideology.
To do so is ‘hate’.
Or, as our POTUS has declared, “a threat to Our Democracy”.
Operative word … ‘our’.
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Politics is a combines noun.
Poly meaning many, and tics for bloodsucking insects.
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Once public servants get the idea that losing their job and having to retrain as a diesel mechanic, (or some other useful occupation) is the norm and not the exception, like magic the survivors will start doing something a bit closer to what their job is supposed to be.
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KK,
There is a menu of choices for reasonable ways to interact with BOM.
If it helps, my view is that the BOM employs many good scientists who are doing good scientific work.
In a normal world, they would be blogging on this Jo Nova site, cracking jokes and scoring or losing interactive points in friendly discourse.
That expected freedom of expression has been almost 100% curtailed by current management of BOM that enforces political factors to dominate the scientific factors.
This is Neanderthal management, three wise monkey level, but it is enforced and it is effective. But it is wrong.
After WWII, a clear principle was emphasised at Nuremberg. Doing wrong because you merely followed orders is not an excuse. Off to the gallows for some.
Scientists at BOM who know that their special knowledge can quickly resolve some of the many issues on climate blogs simply have to go to their keyboards and do the scientifically honest act of open discussion of their work.
Management has no licence to censor.
Geoff S
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I am quite certain that Peter Ridd’s experience is contrary to this.
Closing ranks is very well established principle in modern working hierarchies. My way or the highway!
It is a rare leader who encourages diverse opinions. Even the notion of diversity is being boxed in. If you have the opinion that there are two genders, you no longer have an acceptable opinion.
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Rick,
Recommended viewing is the 2019 Brit movie “Official Secrets” about a lady working in national security who passed a paper to The Observer about an illegal act to help Brit and USA justify the 2003 war against WMD.
She put principles above her likely jail term. Do watch the last 10 minutes.
One of the best movies we have seen for years and directly relevant to attitudes about mistrust of bureaucracy.
Cheers. Geoff S
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Woke politics and Green politics are indistinguishable. All based on ridiculous assertions, fake science, totalitarian behaviour dressed as social change.
Climate Change has been utterly disproven by 35 long years of total failure.
And now all Australian governments are uniting to punish Australians by outlawing the use of fossil fuel, coal, gas, petrol, diesel, wood. And they presume to tell us to use windmills.
Where is this devastating sea level rise which would have had the Sydney Harbour bridge underwater by now according to the ABC?
Just when we should be calling and end to it, governments are doubling down on their prohibition, calling tiny CO2 gas the biggest threat to humanity in history. Without CO2 we all die and it is now industrial pollution? That’s not science.
The new Safeguard Mechanism Act starts 1st July 2023 and aims to shut down all Australian industry as quickly as possible, without exception. To end the industrial revolution. To ground the planes, stop the trains and cars and trucks and eliminate farm animals and mines and our only income as a country.
Mere politicians now feel it is their job to control our daily lives, tell us what to do, how to live, who to employ, how to make things and operate factories and even what to eat and what to sell. When was that ever the role of politicians or any government in history? They are spending borrowed money like drunken sailors, leaving us broke.
There is no climate change, no rapid warming, no sea level rise. The big challenge is now to stop the tyranny of governments deciding how we should live, from 15 minute cities to how and if we should travel. And even locking us in our houses as they choose. And banning drugs which could save lives.
Annheuser Busch telling American beer drinkers they should admire men dressed as women may well be the last straw. And Nike telling women that gay men prefer their brand of sports bra.
When were politicians given the right to tell us what to think? And how to live in a free society. It is not only a raging war on amazing women like J.K.Rowling, we have a war on all the people of Australia, a war by politicians and public servants. We want them out of our lives and not pretending to defend us with nuclear submarines no one has and power us with windmills which don’t work.
The Malcolm Turnbull monster drill is now stuck in a mountain of sand. Good. A monument to government spending, climate insanity and an attack on the very fabric of Australian society and priorities. The dream of a failed politician.
Climate Change is not science, it’s scientology. And it permeates the media, corporations, universities and the public service. It has to stop. Woke science, woke morality, woke values are killing Australia. We want totalitarian politicians out of our lives.
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Or put simply by actor/comedian Rob Schneider on leaving California and becoming a Republican
“There’s not one aspect of your life the Democrats don’t wont to get involved in. Your life!”
That’s what stinks about Green energy, CO2 emissions, the Voice, mask mandates, what you eat, your holidays, how you travel, everything.
Governments were supposed to do things like defence, customs, monetary policy, not to control you.
And the Wuhan Flu and Green Energy and Climate Change, BLM, ESG, EID are just a formula, an excuse to do what Adolph and Jo Stalin would have loved to have done. Complete control of your life. That’s not government. That’s totalitarianism.
Basically having written on man made Global Warming for a decade, on the fake science, fake data, fake logic, it’s part of a much bigger picture like Drag Queens educating children about gender or men winning women’s races. A Blitzkreig attack on society.
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🙂 🙂
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“There’s not one aspect of your life the Democrats don’t wont to get involved in. Your life!”
Sadly TdeF to many people are willing to provide governments with all the information needed. I refuse to use a credit / debit card for every day purchases. This information is stored, sold, hacked to any and all who think they can turn your life to their advantage. To think that government isn’t already gathering this data is naive. A simple cash purchase leaves no trail for any one to follow, its also all of the things that card transactions are supposed to be, remember the blurb, safe, secure quick, convenient. Well as you stand behind the person fumbling for the next card or endlessly tapping on their phone waiting for “approval” the cash can be handed over and the deal done.
Why people are so happy to give every detail of their lives away without a thought is beyond me. The little bit of plastic tells SO much to SO many, and yet it is the publics first choice.
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your red line isn’t their redline , that’s all (and half the population isnt well equipped to understand the issues)
some people will pay a lot for convenience
some people frequently don’t have money and will spend for consumption on credit at 20%+
it’s ugly out there
about a third of customers where I work us cash, so that’s heartening while it remains an option.
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“about a third of customers where I work us cash, so that’s heartening while it remains an option.”
Slowly but surely we are being squeezed. Local butchers shop down the road, “card only” Well if you don’t want cash I’m happy to shop elsewhere. Had a hearing test done locally “card only” but they made an exception this time.
I should drop in with a pocket full of shrapnel to buy a beer !
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Sambar,
The cashless society relies on readily available power to run the grid which is currently being sabotaged . Its is also wiped out by talented hackers and EMP weapons . You can expect barter to become widespread when the grid/system crashes . Even cash will lose its value – would you trade food for cash if nobody wanted it ? As Jo states at the intro “A perfectly good civilization going to waste”
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Drag Queens educating children… I think one of the things I detest most
in Western WOKE education is the way children are being manipulated into precocious
sexual awareness and LBGT grooming, not education for autonomy, but becoming pawns
in an evil authoritarian system to the extant that they are being activated to gender
change and physical mutilation… Why do parents let this happen?
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Well said Beth;
“not education for autonomy”.
If the kids aren’t being educated for autonomy then what’s the outcome.
Compliance? Subservience? Slavery?
Totally creepy.
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Here is another comparison of liquid-in-glass versus Pt resistance.
Broome, West Australia, where camels walk the beach at sunset, avoiding coral between the toes.
Geoff S
https://www.geoffstuff.com/awsbroome.jpg
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For allegedly identical technologies in the results, differences of 1C are amazing on the low side. So the big question is whether the electronic numbers are averaged over 1 minute, as recommended.
And it’s the problem with changing technologies. Then you get Michael Mann bolting electronic temperatures onto his tree rings! Or the big scam with bolting long term ice core measurements for CO2 onto modern laboratory results. This is all highly improper stuff without controls because no two technologies are the same and if you are looking for tiny changes, like a single degree, it is nonsense, highly improper scientifically. Even averaging night and day is nonsense. Summer and winter. The north pole and Broome. I am sure you could generate any result you wanted.
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mmmmm the North Pole and Broome; the BOM would want to homogenize those wouldn’t they?
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There’s a place near Marble Bar called the North Pole !
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That’s the science.
The weather is so variable that putting “temperature” on the accuracy pedestal it’s on is laughable.
At my home, in the last month these variants have occurred;
” dull day but briefly there’s an opening and Sun burst through for five minutes.
” drizzling for several hours, then suddenly a brief 5 minute heavy squall.
” morning brilliant sunshine, afternoon storm.
As Joe O’BIDEN world say, c’mon man, it’s just the weather.
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The Broome Tmin seems to be warmer in LIGs than in Pt-probe (positive difference) most of the time, but with several unusually large negatives. The large negatives being where Pt Tmin was higher for that day than the LIG detected. I’m struggling to imagine what combination of physical process and daily observation procedure could result in a lower Tmin being observed from the slower & less sensitive instrument.
I can only imagine that happening when:
• the real temperature low of previous calendar day was more than 24h before the AWS observation time and was much lower than the overnight low prior to the observation time,
• the temp was rising at dawn,
• the LIG is lagging behind the Pt, and so
• the lowest in prev 24h is exactly 24h ago not the true low point of the previous calendar day that both series were rising up from,
so at yesterday’s 9am the Pt was higher than the LIG and it also become the minimum of that diagnostic period.
I have written some Python code showing it’s possible to synthesize a 24hr period sinusoid with min at 4am plus strong upwards trend and an exponentially-weighted-average of that signal to represent the Pt and LIG signals respectively. A 9am TObs would have the Pt higher than LIG despite the Pt starting from a lower point and being more sensitive.
But is this hypothesis practically plausible and did they operate the instruments that way?
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Andrew,
Having spent many hours so far on trying to systematise public access to overlap sites, the fine detail now emerging seems to centre on whether the two probe types were in the same screen, or separated. Separations of even a few metres might be the cause of differences. A lot of work is in progress to resolve all this but there might be no satisfactory public knowledge. Geoff S
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Thought for the day:
10 percent of any population is cruel, no matter what, and 10 percent is merciful, no matter what, and the remaining 80 percent can be moved in either direction.
– Susan Sontag
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The Curious ‘Good Fortune’ of Susan Rice.
I was surprised to hear on Fox News, her net worth is 50 million USD.
Almost her entire career has been in Government or at a ‘Think Tank’. Even if she’d saved every penny, 50 million seems out of reach, doesn’t it? I can’t see any mention of her writing a best-seller. Was she getting stock tips from Paul Pelosi?
The Fox News contributor said Rice was one of three names Citibank submitted to Obama’s incoming administration in 2008, names that they wanted to see in his Cabinet. Er .. that’s democracy is it? The banks tell the President who to put in his cabinet….
Citibank, of course, was the biggest beneficiary of the bailout that banks received around 2008.
So, around the time they’re getting a big bailout from the Government, they’re hoisting her into the White House. Hmmm, I wonder what the connection is?
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And as his first and only job, President Joe Biden was on $140,000 a year. So how did he and all his family get so rich? Speaking tours? Canny investments? Lucky?
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Joe Fraud & family had best remember that luck has a habit of running out!
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@TdeF:
I don’t ascribe it to luck at all. It’s a result of multi-level devious and conspiratorial planning, blackmailing, and deal-making, in which “the big guy” is not so much the big guy as one of the willing pawns.
Never forget the word ‘organised’ in organised crime.
What’s that Japanese(?) saying that the fish rots from the head, or the corruption begins at the top, or words to that effect.
Biden’s not the head, he’s a tool. A total tool.
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Prime Minister Howard earned less than the POTUS, after Rudd Labor took over government in 2007 by 2010 PM Gillard was earning more than the POTUS.
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‘Earning’?
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Gifted by taxpayers Annie and noting that like all public servants no real income tax or other taxes are paid.
Why, because the money they are paid is private sector tax revenue to government, what tax liability public servants have deducted or pay from their after income tax money is a return of money to the government, not new money.
Economic stimulus from public service spending is of course real but unlike private sector spending the government (private sector taxpayers) is not new money.
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Funny isn’t it that unearned wealth can be such a hotspot for tax and police investigations of the plebs. However, if you are in the club that most of use can never join, you get a free pass and everyone looks the other way.
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The Howard major tax reforms targeted the “black economy” with Goods & Services Tax, unaccounted for monies are spent and at least 10 per cent tax is collected.
GST replaced Wholesale Sales Tax in a range up to 27.5 per cent on goods only, removing WST and charging GST lowered the cost of goods but collected 10 per cent tax from all sources of buyers.
When a builder can point to many old houses in Sydney and elsewhere purchased for $ millions and then extended and renovated for $ millions by often people under fifty years of age who also drive expensive cars and often have a child or children in non-government schools and many “toys” the source of the money is reason for wondering how so many can afford these things, and considering the small percentage of Top Tax Bracket income earners in Australia.
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Dennis,
Recently we have taken to collecting a grandson from school now and then. The 3.30 pm traffic jams often involve Asian and Indian females looking about 30-35 (hard to tell) in late model SUVs from Porsche, Audi, Mercedes, occasional Maserati. They stick out because they are often quite bad drivers even with help from reversing cameras etc. One wonders if they can even read road signs, as English is not the first language when they greet their kids.
One wonders about the source of funds.
Geoff S
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“The legal realities of Albanese’s Vanity Voice to Parliament”
https://youtu.be/AULx4WKDkPY
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2023/04/the-legal-realities-of-albaneses-vanity-voice-to-parliament.html
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This Is Permanent
This Voice will be written into our Constitution, making it almost impossible to remove. It could fail horribly, like the Aboriginal & Torres Strait Islander Commission, and we cannot sack it.”
Andrew Bolt
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In a referendum held on 27 May 1967, Australians voted to remove references in the Australian Constitution discriminating against First Australians.
The changes to the Constitution included the repeal of 2 sections, Section 51 (xxvi) and Section 127. This enabled the Australian Parliament to:
make special laws for First Australians
include First Australians in the national census.
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Dennis,
Not like you to make so many errors in so few words.
The 1967 Federal Referendum did not mention “First Australians”. It did mention “people of any race including the aboriginal race.”
The Referendum did NOT discuss discrimination. It simply allowed the Feds to make laws previously handled by the States.
Mostly, aborigines were already included in national census counts, but some States were still working on it.
There is a scholarly series of books by Keith Windschuttle to properly correct widespread myths. The latest title is “The Break-up of Australia.”
Geoff S
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Hi Geoff, here is my source, I am not disputing your comment;
https://www.naa.gov.au/students-and-teachers/learning-resources/learning-resource-themes/government-and-democracy/constitution-and-referendums/1967-referendum
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Also Geoff;
https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/FlagPost/2017/May/The_1967_Referendum
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Rubbish, the referendum question was should aborgines be counted. There was no mention of first nation as there never eas a first nation. The federation 1900 created the first nation in Australia.
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“The proposed law (Constitution Alteration (Aboriginals) 1967) sought to give the Commonwealth Parliament power to make laws with respect to Aboriginal people wherever they lived in Australia.
It also sought to make it possible to include Aboriginal people in national censuses. The amendment deleted part of section 51 (xxvi) of the Constitution and repealed section 127.”
Ref: aph.gov.au
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Dennis,
I was there, voting, in 1967.
Read more from historian Keith Windschuttle on Quadrant Online.
This topic is immensely infiltrated my rumour, make believe and sheer hogwash. Don’t fall for it.
Geoff S
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I do accept your comments Geoff.
Does this better describe the changes?
https://www.naa.gov.au/explore-collection/first-australians/other-resources-about-first-australians/1967-referendum
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Dennis,
No, that National Archives article is wrong.
The only (hypothetical) ab disadvantage was that the States were making laws when the Commonwealth wanted to make the laws.
Is it an advantage, or a disadvantage, to be the recipient of more Federal laws?
I worked for decades on matters of ab disadvantage. I opposed this 1967 amendment because it would do no visible good. It has done no visible good. That is why we now have a Voice, to try to get the goods that failed.
Logic is lonely in ab matters.
Geoff S
Cheers. Geoff S
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On 27 May 1967 a Federal referendum was held. The first question, referred to as the ‘nexus question’, was an attempt to alter the balance of numbers in the Senate and the House of Representatives. The second question was to determine whether two references in the Australian Constitution, which discriminated against Aboriginal people, should be removed. This page addresses the second question.
The sections of the Constitution under scrutiny were:
51. The Parliament shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws for the peace, order, and good government of the Commonwealth with respect to:-
…(xxvi) The people of any race, other than the aboriginal people in any State, for whom it is necessary to make special laws.
127. In reckoning the numbers of the people of the Commonwealth, or of a State or other part of the Commonwealth, aboriginal natives should not be counted.
The removal of the words ‘… other than the aboriginal people in any State…’ in section 51(xxvi) and the whole of section 127 were considered by many to be representative of the prevailing movement for political change within Indigenous affairs.
As a result of the political climate, this referendum saw the highest YES vote ever recorded in a Federal referendum, with 90.77 per cent voting for change.
National Archives link above
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I have now read Quadrant as recommended, Windschuttle
His comments reinforced my vote no decision Geoff.
Dennis
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A guy who was a stenographer for the Obama administration appeared on Fox News this week. He wants us to think about this timeline:
Feb 2014: There’s the Coup in Ukraine, helped along by the Obama/Biden administration.
Apr 2014: Hunter Biden emails a Burisma board member (Archer) with detailed analysis on Ukraine.
6 days later: Hunter gets appointed to the board of Ukrainian Energy giant: Burisma. (One million dollar annual salary. By my reckoning, more than three times what his father was earning).
3 days later: Joe Biden flies to Ukraine to advise on (1) boosting their ‘conventional’ gas production, and (2) how to exploit their ‘unconventional’ gas reserves by ‘fracking’.
Dec 2014: Congress approves giving 50 million to Ukraine to support its Energy sector.
Mick McCormick, the stenographer on Substack with links to NY Post and Daily Mail stories
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The Vice President is supposed to be a job with nothing to do. But Joe Biden found lots to things to do.
So did Dick Cheney apparently
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Elfen danger at work: from an article https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/04/14/the-green-agenda-has-become-an-embarrassing-failure/ one clearly sees a TRIP Hazard. THere was an incident in the news recently over here about some children who broke into a building site In July 2020, “a group of children including the deceased, entered the site through an insecure fence. The boy told his friends he wanted to climb down an open manhole, but slipped on the ladder and fell 6.3m into the water below.” …https://www.newcivilengineer.com/latest/rj-mcleod-to-be-sentenced-over-fatality-of-10-year-old-on-glasgow-flood-project-site-13-04-2023/
Talk about being responsible for your actions? A coil of cable in a loop on the sidewalk is…….
And Both cases here are all to do with Green Ideals …
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Aaaah, the need for everyone else to be responsible for an individuals actions. The fence had been vandalised, so, replace fence employ security guards`. Should have used a double fence, so, build double fence and the be critisized for not building a triple fence. Impossible to win and, of course, one of the issues with making something idiot proof is the tendency to create a stupider class of idiot!
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“tendency to create a stupider class of idiot” Ha ha! you made me chortle. INdeed, on TalkTV this morning, they were talking about age that children should have / allowed to use SMART Phones. Aye, we don’t all live in a neighbourhood where our friends go to a different school – they’re all here together ( Fools, bullies and all) and all the arguments FOR allowing the phones.
Yes HOW DO YOU get people, not just bairnies, to think for themselves ?.
For all the Arts Courses etc at ‘Varsity , I don’t know of one that teaches how to encourage the discipline of thought and research. How to protest and complain( writing letters as a startpoint) was for the Language faculty in Secondary school. Kids without a cause, eh?
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In australia the oh&s laws are so strong that you are guilty of someone is injured and have to prove your innocence by showing your “duty” to safety.
One a thief jumped a barbed wire fence with a sign “DANGER high voltage” , he then smashed out a facia board to climb into a building housing HV transformer and got fried.
But the power company was guilty because the lawyers argued the sign was “old” and made the building look abandoned.
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This website is interesting, SMRs
https://www.smrnuclear.com.au
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Making it work!
https://youtu.be/Zh3Yz3PiXZw
Follow it right through
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What is it about?
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you are supposed to guess
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11,651,865 views 19 Sept 2017 38,059 Comments at least but only 301k Thumsup
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“Warning to ADF Chief General Campbell – pack your toothbrush over war crimes.”
“Simply put, the Yamashita Standard established that operational commanders cannot cede operational command to a subordinate officer; and must fully exercise their authority to prevent the commission of war crimes — neither failure to supervise subordinates nor ambiguous orders exculpated the commander.
Since General Campbell held senior in-theatre commands when some offences were alleged to have occurred, he would be advised to keep his pyjamas, a pannikin and toothbrush packed in the event there’s a knock on his door.”
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2023/04/warning-to-adf-chief-general-campbell-pack-your-toothbrush-over-war-crimes.html
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FYI
“Book Review: Failures of Command”
“In 2012 Private Robert Poate was one of 3 Australian soldiers killed by a supposed ally in the Afghan National Army. Other soldiers were injured in the attack. This book, beautifully written and researched by Robert’ father, Hugh, is an expose of subsequent events, the Coronial Inquest and ADF shenanigans in pursuit of defending the actions of increasingly higher-ranked Commissioned Officers, most of whom have no combat experience. It lays bare systemic failures, the inability to learn from previous similar attacks and the refusal to accept adverse findings and with no attempt to redress them.”
Much more at
https://catallaxy-files.com/book-review-failures-of-command/
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….. a plea of obeying “superior orders” was not an acceptable defence, ….
That a person might claim to have acted pursuant to the orders of their Government or of a superior did not relieve them from responsibility under international law. … covid, protesting, tax-raising, etc …. why AND why NOT .
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Eugyppius (German substack blogster) venting about his country’s energy policies and action.
It sounds all to familiar in both the stupidity of the actions and his level of frustration
https://www.eugyppius.com/p/atomausstieg-in-the-middle-of-the?publication_id=268621&post_id=114762835&isFreemail=true
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but Oma said, Oma did, we love Oma, Eh? that’s the trouble, stupid ( of a sort ) Oma. Oma from Communist days …. could she REALLY be trusted ?
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Is Covid Over?
https://covidlive.com.au/report/daily-cases/aus
The numbers have dropped right down since Feb 23 (see the graph at the top)
An interesting item was 10 March 2023 when 130,000 cases were removed from the tota!
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Local radio today claimed the exact opposite. Even cited ( from memory) 30 people died yesterday from Covid and had some person of authority warning that winter was coming and the big “C” was on the increase. Suggestion was while you don’t have to wear a mask it would be a good idea “if you are vulnerable”
Might be time for a light beer, do they sell “Bud” in Australia?
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“Bud” is the preferred version of marijuana for many.
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I just notice something else on that page.
The graph starts at Jan 2022. So I went back through the table which starts at 4 Jan 2020 and recorded the first 4 cases of Covid in Australia!
At 1 Jan 2022, there had only been 395,504 cases of Covid recorded in Australia. Now the figure is over over 11.000,000. That means almost all of the cases have occurred after the vaccination. The vaccination was supposed to prevent Covid!
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One of the side effects of the jab is covid.
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Yes, I got covid three days after my 4th vaccination
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Farmers routinely vaccinate sheep flocks for a variety of clostridial and other diseases. Usually young lambs are jabbed and provide lifelong protection. If a farmer vaccinated his mob and more than half came down with Pulpy kidney disease, there would be a huge uproar, compensation paid and complaints sent to the APVMA. Covid vaccines and humans – not a peep. Explain that to me.
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I am over COVID, and the politics.
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Cough. Wheeze. Gurgle. Day seven of the lurgy.
While visiting my daughter in hospital (abdominal abscess removed, so far, so good) I contracted a bug. Maybe it’s flu, maybe Covid, maybe just an URTI of some sort. We all have it now. Seems pretty infectious, though not particularly horrible.
It’s different to anything I have caught before though, in that it is bad, but not THAT bad, and lingers beyond the usual cold cycle. Tonight, having been diligent with my vit. D, zinc and taking a precautionary round of Ivermectin (first five days) I am now experimenting with a triple dose of Merlot, to be repeated towmorrow. Will report.
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Merlot.
The BIG M.
Health drink of a nation.
https://www.dovemed.com/healthy-living/wellness-center/merlot-wine-and-its-remarkable-health-benefits/
🙂
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Very good short video from Paul Joseph Watson.
Ordinary folks in the UK are fighting back against people control by destroying illegal roadblocks put in place by Leftists and disabling government surveillance cameras.
https://youtube.com/shorts/qCbDXyXTl1k?feature=share
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Spray cans on a stick and Anonymous masks.
https://www.garrards.com.au/latest-product-news/150-gotcha-sprayer-pro
Works a treat.
And, it’s a Department of Defence recogised supplier. Australian too.
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It’s been suggested that we join partis and influence them from within.
As Peter indicates, that’s a big task.
What we would like to do is have voters fully aware and voting accordingly. Again that’s almost impossible.
Getting the media to present useful balanced comment is nigh impossible.
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The simplest message to get across is “Never vote someone back in” So only vote for people who have not been in power before, and once that becomes a popular meme it doesn’t matter if you vote Left or Right, it will change the power dynamic of politicians overall.
We suffer from professional bludgers in power for years on end, taking their orders from people who can corrupt them over time.
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Good one.
Trouble is that voting is so complex for many who just can’t vote outside one partis ticket.
We should use the handout tickets to guide us in how not to vote.
I suspect that the counters, in some instances, might not bother too much with individualised votes?
The relatively new vote format with above and below the line voting suggests that “the system” wants to channel our activity and possibly manipulate us. No , that can’t be right.
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You are turning the simplest thing into a complexity that doesn’t exist by overthinking it, Keith.
When entering the polling booth all a voter needs to know is whether their local member is Liberal, National or Labor. They don’t need to know their name or sex as a candidate’s party affiliation is next to their name on the voting slip.
Just number the sitting member last and the rest however you want. A good and simple strategy would be to grab a “how to vote” handout for the sitting member and number the candidates in the reverse order to that shown on the handout.
Your last paragraph refers to the Senate. In Australia govt rests with the majority in the House of Representatives. Sort out the govt and the Senate will follow. One step at a time. Baby steps.
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Extraordinary.
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M. V.
You are turning the simplest thing into a complexity that doesn’t exist by overthinking it,
Have a nice day, are you serious?
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One of the more effective things I do is support this blog, as do many others.
Straight away we are members of a large group with international reach.
For instance, your comments here Keith have been widely read and the discussion has been informed and informative!
I would also recommend the Institute of Public Affairs (IPA):
You can get their newsletters for free by signing up for the emails. Becoming a member is even better. They publish on a wide range of topics related to individual freedom and responsibility. They are very active in trying to educate young people?
https://ipa.org.au/
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Very disturbing video from Tucker Carlson about the kid (21 yrs) who leaked classified documents proving that the Biden Maladministration was and is lying about the war in the Ukraine. The Maladministration and Lamestream media treat the leaker as a criminal not as a whistleblower and hero. And the Maladministration is working in full collusion with the Lamestream media.
The hit job on the kid sounds like a scenario from Orwell’s “Nineteen Eighty Four”.
And they say he was a “gun enthusiast” as though that was a slur. In any case, he is in the military. One would HOPE he has an interest in guns.
As well, they claim that he is a “racist” without proof. Well, the Left call everyone they disagree with “racist” (and other things), including black conservatives (look how the Left treated Larry Elder to name just one), so that is now a meaningless term.
Also, as Tucker points out, if these documents were so highly classified, how come the New York Times and Washington Post had access to them?
https://youtu.be/jzpCKjl8OxQ
Note, not mentioned in the video, but the Australian Government fully supports Biden’s lies about the war.
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Who’s lying? According to these docs the Russians have lost 16,000 troops and the Ukes are suffering 7:1 losses. [as I hear it] If either statement was even approx. true the war would have been won a year ago.
This is a terribly expensive war for Russia, on the battlefield and internationally, so I doubt they will survive in their current form, politically. It is in America’s interest to enable this change.
If Russia is neutered think how much the US would save by reducing their presence in Europe.
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Lol! As if the USA would ever reduce their presence in Europe voluntarily! They occupied Europe in WW2 and have no intention of leaving. Look at any map showing where their military bases are, or when they have nuclear weapons- Europe is occupied!
If they can ever overrun Russia they will occupy that as well and claim they need to keep China in check.
Seeing the West spent from 2014 to now arming and training the ukie army to be ready for the Russian invasion, what we are seeing is a war of two equal opponents, except Russia has 3.5 times the population. Ukraine had one of the biggest armies in Europe in Jan ’22, strange for a backward, broke country… Almost like they were being set up as a patsy in someone else’s war.. The losses are higher for the Ukrainians, but nowhere near 7:1.
Russia will emerge different all right, as part of the BRICS, a new world power base. It will bleed the West dry of its weapons, form a no-mans-land between itself and Europe, and cause the downfall of America. The world is changing.
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But I don’t hate the Yanks.
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I don’t hate the Americans or the Russians but I utterly despise the Biden administration.
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Now, with all mainland states under Labor regimes could it be that the Liberal Party (pretend conservatives) don’t really want to be elected?
Liberal, Labor and Green are aligned on most issues, especially with regard to their anti-energy and covid mismanagement policies.
Why would the Liberals want to be re-elected?
It’s hard work to get elected and the Liberals who are already in Parliament have relatively safe seats and well paid jobs for life. They don’t have to work hard or think and just need to go to the occassional community event they are invited to.
It’s easy work for the anti-intellectuals who now dominate the Liberal Party.
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It is often the case that one side of politics will hold government for a good while, then the other side swings back, but at this particular point in time (with Labor wearing green) its likely we’ll end up with a one party state forever.
Ain’t democracy wonderful?
Its easy to imagine that in the fullness of time, socialism with Australian characteristics will be the norm.
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You missed the great tag team switcheroo, Daavid.
Traditionally Labor govts have spent us into crippling debt, and Liberal govts have taxed and inflated us out of it. Under Morrison the roles were reversed. Under Morrison the Liberals spent us into unrepayable debt, and now the Albanese Labor govt will try – unsuccessfully – to tax us out of it. The next federal budget in three weeks will be “interesting”.
Once we are well and truly up the proverbial creek without a paddle – about the middle of 2025 – just coincidently when the next election is due – we will have another change of govt, and the Liberals will be reelected to financially “save the day”. A rerun of Abbott’s election in 2013.
Only next time they will have a few extra arrows in their quiver.
They will be able to confiscate your savings with their bank bail in regulations, kindly supplied by the Turnbull Liberal govt, introduce a central bank digital currency with cash banned and a social credit system, brought to you by the Morrison Liberal govt, and silence any objections using the Online Safety Act, supplied via the combined efforts of the Abbott, Turnbull and Morrison Liberal govts.
And if all else fails they will send in the army, as negotiated between the states and the Morrison Liberal govt in 2020, after the entirely staged bushfires fiasco in December 2019.
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Agreed Memoryvault.
Much of the really rights-violating legislation, policies and people we now have comes from the Liberals.
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Fascinating 3.5 min video about a carnivorous caterpillar and it’s deceptive tricks.
https://youtu.be/4JoEWdV7tpQ
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We could do with a few of these here…so many ants!
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Another one gone.
Along with the head of the TGA.
They are both retiring just as the truth of covid 19 “vaccines” is being revealed.
SEE LINK FOR REST
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So, appointed by the Turnbull Liberal govt and retained by the Morrison Liberal and Albanese Labor govts.
Explain to me again the difference between the two parties, especially the bit about Liberals being better than Labor.
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I never said that, just that the Liberals are SLIGHTLY less bad than Labor.
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David,
Political jokes are getting elected worldwide . Keep your head down…
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It sounds as if you got the government you deserve.
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FWIW
“Must Watch: ESG (Environmental, social, & corporate governance) explained in 1-minute video – Best explanation you will ever see”
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/04/15/must-watch-esg-environmental-social-corporate-governance-explained-in-1-minute-video-best-explanation-you-will-ever-see/
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Not a joke. That’s about how it is.
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Have you ever used, or are you planning to use, Dylan Mulvaney as a brand ambassador?
Keeps the loan application process nice and short.
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Here is an extremely funny piece from the TV series Legally Brown featuring a job interview, with comedian Nazeem Hussain.
(Trigger warning for Leftists, you wouldn’t understand the humour, you would probably go into meltdown.)
https://youtu.be/14S0JHnXhn8 (87 sec)
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Pacific islands are not sinking and the GBR is pristine.
‘Climate alarmists try to put this remarkable fact into perspective by referring to the alleged death of corals in the South Seas due to rising water temperatures. But the latter is just as much a myth as the demise of the islands due to climate change. For example, the Australian physicist Peter Ridd proved in 2021 that the coral population in the Great Barrier Reef has significantly increased instead of decreasing since 1985. And the mean water temperatures in the area of the 2300-kilometre-long and thus largest reef on earth have not changed since 1871. This is what Bill Johnston, a former employee of the State Environment Department of the Australian state of New South Wales, found out in 2022 when studying old expedition reports.’ (Notrickszone)
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Theres a pretty factual description here.
https://www.britannica.com/science/cay
It’s pretty much the nature of the beast that they will maintain their height regardless, but they are inherently at risk of total destruction by a storm. Many are quite mobile, so of course if you build a fixed house, graveyard etc. you can claim you are a climate refugee instead of being a victim of your own ignorance of nature.
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Tropical Paradise Islands Are Not Sinking And Shrinking…Most Are In Fact Growing! (NoTricksZone)
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A reduction in tropical cyclones has also been beneficial.
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We haven’t had a direct hit, or even near miss, of a cyclone since Althea, 50 yrs ago, and the beaches show it. I have never seen so much sand.
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FWIW
“Visualizing Air Pollution Levels Around The World In 2022”
https://www.zerohedge.com/weather/visualizing-air-pollution-levels-around-world-2022
Perth and Sydney get a mention – barely
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I wonder why Perth gets a mention?
Sydney is understandable as it is an overpopulated geographic basin with a sometimes temperature inversion layer (like Los Angeles).
But Perth is not a basin and has a relatively modest population so why the claimed pollution?
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In the “fine print” that is based on “pm 2.5” so why would Perth be getting a dose of that?
Based on WHO figures so we’re supposed to just accept, not to question like this
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Victoria has a number of PM2.5 monitoring stations:
https://www.epa.vic.gov.au/for-community/airwatch?siteId=70584bae-a7e7-4ae9-adf5-1e8e92b15386
A lot are located around the Latrobe Valley. This region has a distinctive smell you will know if you have been there.
I bought a little instrument that provides reading for HCHO, TVOC, PM2.5, PM10, CO and CO2. inside the house on a rainy day I have a PM 2.5 reading in low 20s. I figured the calibration was out but it is not far off what the local air quality has shown over the last few days. I am yet to see it less than 20µg/m^3.
If you take the WHO guideline them most of Victoria is often 4 times outside the guideline.
And don’t go to Boolarra toady – 500µg/m^3. I suspect there was a planned burn yesterday and the smoke hit the station at 10pm:
https://www.epa.vic.gov.au/for-community/airwatch?siteId=dd8279c0-018d-469b-92c7-49eeeecd27de
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In reality the PM readings for any of our east cost capital cities should be off the chart for the whole of late Spring and early Autumn. Because that’s the time controlled (fuel reduction) burns should be happening big time to all the surrounding forest areas around those cities. You either have smoke at these times or you get a massive amount of smoke during summer. That’s the simple choice. Unfortunately we know those controlled burns are not being completed, so we just wait until the next pseudo nuclear bomb in the form of a major bushfire to occur. The Dandenong near Melbourne- a giant ticking bomb that hasn’t had a major fire since the early 1980’s.
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BoM is being a little hesitant on ENSO direction, Modoki anyone?
‘The ENSO Outlook remains at El Niño WATCH. This means that while the El Niño–Southern Oscillation is currently neutral, there is approximately a 50% chance that El Niño may develop later in 2023. This is about twice the normal likelihood.’ (BoM)
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The convective tower near Panama is winning the pull on the equatorial current. Strong eastward flow similar to conditions in 2015.
https://earth.nullschool.net/#2023/04/14/1200Z/ocean/surface/currents/overlay=sea_surface_temp/orthographic=-143.07,-3.55,514/loc=-124.464,0.148
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“there is approximately a 50% chance that El Niño may develop later in 2023. “
LOL.. Anyone got a coin?
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