By Jo Nova
Imagine an energy system so broken that the government forced The People to buy generators that only work (randomly) 30% of the time and told them they would still have to pay the generators even when their product was useless.
Britain wasting ‘millions a day’ in energy as wind farms told to turn off while bills soar
The UK has been squandering an estimated £1billion a year in energy as the National Grid’s infrastructure cannot handle the volumes of clean power currently being produced.
By ANTONY ASHKENAZ, Express
Imagine that the government told The People that this would make their electricity cheaper (and people believed them!).
In the UK people are forced to pay unreliable generators for electricity that comes when no one wants it. No doubt this was built into the contract from the start to stop investors from fleeing for the hills.
Imagine an investment so bad that the seller has to pre-arrange payments for all the times their product is useless or it wouldn’t be worth building in the first place. There’s a message in that. (Don’t build it.)
To put arsenic-icing on this cake, the wind farms that are paid to do nothing are allowed to turn around and sell their electricity to a third party down a private line if they have a buyer, thus earning payments twice for the same electricity. And by golly, if someone happened to put a big battery on a private line to soak up that electricity, the public will pay for the wind farm to charge the battery, and then they’ll pay for the electricity from the battery back to the grid later. And these are batteries that the grid wouldn’t need at all, if it weren’t for the unreliable generators. So the first payment is for electricity they can’t use, and the second is for electricity they didn’t need.
Even as energy bills soar to unaffordable levels, and the UK faces the threat of blackouts this winter, the country has been effectively wasting millions of pounds worth of electricity every day, Express.co.uk was told. Over the past year, Britain has been gripped by a major fossil fuel energy crisis triggered by Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, which sent wholesale gas prices to record levels. While the Government is looking to tackle this crisis with a major investment in renewable energy sources like wind and solar power, experts warned of a critical lack of battery storage facilities, which means that much of the cheap, green electricity that can be used to power British homes, is being wasted.
Speaking to Express.co.uk, Andy Willis, the CEO of Kona Energy, warned that the UK has been spending millions of pounds a day to ask wind farms to stop generating electricity.
He said: “Over the last couple of years, [the amount spent] has been about £1billion pounds a year, and that is worth caveating by saying quite a complicated calculation. It’s not just the cost of paying wind farms to turn off, but it’s also the cost of paying the gas-fired power station to turn on somewhere.”
It’s just subsidies piled on legal loopholes all the way down
Andrew Montford couldn’t figure out how Moray East wind farm was earning money, and why investors had built it in the first place. Their costs appear to be somewhere north of £125 per megawatt hour and a constraint payment is only worth £60. Then he realized that they could receive “constraint payments” (for switching off during an oversupply) but turn around and legally sell the same power off grid.
How windfarms charge you twice for the same electricity
Andrew Montford, GWPF, NetZeroWatch
How were Moray East’s developers hoping to make up the difference? The income had to come from somewhere. The revenue stream from selling power to customers appeared not to be the answer. Customers look after themselves. But the amount of time Moray East is spending switched off got me thinking. The windfarm developers must have known that they would be constrained off a lot – they exhaustively analyse wind speeds, turbine design and the capacity of the grid to take their power. They must also know that the rate of payment for being constrained off was not that high. I started to suspect that they had found a way to get game the system to their advantage.
Montford tracks through planning documents and maps and figures out that there are plans for batteries nearby, and there is already a giant flywheel which mysteriously declares that it gets “some” electricity from the grid — meaning it must get the rest of its electricity from an alternate unknown source.
So we know that electricity is finding its way direct from the windfarm to industrial users without touching the transmission grid. However, this observation comes with a caveat. We don’t know for sure that these are megawatt hours of electricity for which the windfarms have received constraint payments. But we do know that it would be completely within the rules for them to do so (there is no suggestion of lawbreaking), and that it would be highly profitable too.
And if wind farm investors could legally do this, we have to ask, why wouldn’t they?
Thus the renewables grid is Communist-electricity by stealth — by definition the unreliable generators can’t afford to run in a free market, so the government subsidizes them. Then they rattle the rest of the system, and impose all kinds of costs and burdens, and the government has to subsidize the rest of the sector to make it worth their while to stick around — so they can earn the same amount for producing less, and pretty soon you’ve got the Soviet Union of Electricity.
It’s all working as planned, you will have no electricity and will be happy.
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No and not really. These people, the so called elite are just like the French Aristocracy in the late 1700s with the French Revolution. You can push people so much but in the end you will get a violent reaction.
Newton’s Third Law: Action & Reaction
His third law states that for every action (force) in nature there is an equal and opposite reaction. If object A exerts a force on object B, object B also exerts an equal and opposite force on object A. In other words, forces result from interactions.
And sometimes the reaction WINS…………………….LOL
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It begs the wuestion, though, that what do these ‘gods’ do when there’s power and food shortfalls? what planet do they live on? …. and if it is some Desert island full of discs, it should surely be easy , by the sound of it, to isolate and trap them . Why are we even HAVING to listen to them. THat RED BUTTON is the next best killer, but it’s all the stupid fowk who go around indoctrinated / infected and spreading / proliferating that word.
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The reality keeps demonstrating to us that wind and solar are unreliable and incredibly expensive. And yet contrary to reality, proponents of unreliables keep telling us how cheap they are. It even happened yesterday on this blog. It is a case of doublethink.
Proponents of unreliables keep telling us how cheap they are, because, you know, their “fuel” wind and sun are “free”. But of course the infrastructure to collect the “free stuff” is extremely expensive and environmentally-impacting.
In any case, let them put their money where their mouths are.
Let all those who claim unreliables are cheap obtain their electricity exclusively from unreliables with no backup from proper coal, gas, nuclear and real hydro. When the wind stops blowing and the sun stops shining and the batteries go flat, their lights go out. In Australia, they can use the SH2 battery as I don’t classify that among the properly engineered hydro systems, it is an engineering decision made by a politician, an unqualified non-engineer, non-scientist, afterall.
Let the rest of us rely exclusively on coal, gas, nuclear and real hydro.. As with unreliables, there should be no backup from the other system.
Two sets of wires are not necessary. Smart electricity meters which most people now have, with the right software, could handle this arrangement. You just need the electricity to be distributed from the available pools of either unreliables or reliable. When either pool runs out, the smart meter cuts off your power.
There could be no opposition to this arrangement because believers in unreliables are certain of their cause and supporters of traditional suppliers are basing their decision on evidence.
Plus, unreliables proponents say coal, gas and nuclear will be shut down due to market forces because the “alternative” defective product is so cheap. Notwithstanding the fact that government policy is DESIGNED to put proper generators out of business.
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AND.. they have to use the “renewable” supply as is….
… without the massive benefit of grid synchronisation by the coal fired power stations.
Wouldn’t that be fun for all their electrical equipment. ! 😉
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Good point b.nice.
An additional huge expense for unreliables would be some other method of synchronisation without relying on the inertia of proper generators. E.g. inverters with phase locked loop architecture to provide synchronisation. Yet another of the true costs conveniently not counted for unreliables.
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“It is a case of doublethink.”. Sorry to have to disagree, but it isn’t double-think. There is no “think” in it at all, it’s flat-out lying. All to make megabucks at the public’s expense. You could call it any of theft, psycopathic, sociopathic, criminal, snake-oil or just plain monstrous behaviour, “doublethink”? No way.
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It would be simpler to ask them for just one working example anywhere with low cost reliable electticity.
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https://www.hydro.com.au/clean-energy/hybrid-energy-solutions/success-stories/king-island
Plainly they need more solar panels to get them through the night and more wind turbines for when the wind doesn’t blow.
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The East and Russia will win in the end as the West is showing Economic Suicide. Australia and NZ included. Game over.
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JR
“The East and Russia will win in the end as the West is showing Economic Suicide. Australia and NZ included. Game over.”
Not so, I suggest.
I agree that, if ‘The West’ continues as it has done, relying on breezes and sunshine, and mining elsewhere [And the Super-Battery, not yet invented, but relied on by the likes of Little Rishi Sunak and the Buffoon Boris] – then, yes, we can see the result. And a big defeat for the West, and our civilisation.
But – if common sense [thought missing in action] and simple mathematics are allowed to prevail – then we might be OK.
What are the chances?
Tell your kids to learn Mandarin, and subsistence farming [in case they are lucky], rather sums up my attitude, sadly.
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Another boondoggle arranged by the WEF to destroy western economies in the name of “saving the planet”.
And we now have John Kerry admitting there is not enough money, read wealth, in the World to actually achieve this task. The first truth that Kerry has uttered.
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I was once confident that extensive blackouts would sway public opinion against unreliables.
However, I don’t think that will happen because:
1) There is a large amount of extra electricity available due to the shut down of industry (due to high electricity prices).
2) Consumers stop using electricity due to high prices, except for low power consumption devices such as lights, radio, tv and smartphones. Consumers will tolerate or accept being cold or hot and the heating/cooling and perhaps hot water will be turned off or used dramatically less.
3) There will generally be a trickle of electricity coming across the grid from a Big Battery or diesel generators. It may be enough to keep the lights on. (Keeping a few lights on could be done with just 50W per home, and that itself could easily be done with a DIY solar panel with battery).
In Australia we have seen how diesel generators are quietly and semi-secretly used to backup the grid in South Australia and Tasmania to keep trickles of electricity being supplied.
4) Cooking may have to be reduced and refrigeration. Food choices are planned to be restricted anyway as the Elites want us (non-Elites) to eat insects which need minimal cooking due to low thermal mass. No doubt gruel will also be on the menu. And so what if the gruel ingredients (oatmeal) is contaminated with insects, they are on the menu anyway.
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You could be right David and that just means the once wealthy OECD countries will be sitting ducks for President Xi and any future military adventure he cares to engage in.
And electric battery powered tanks or whatever will not stop them and the skirmish could be over very quickly. But that could be part of the extremists’ plan?
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There is a very big problem in that the governments can hide the blackouts from the wider population by having big consumers shut down at peak periods
Those shutdowns are effectively blackouts, but people don’t even know it is happening.
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Methinks the socialists learnt this from trying to destroy the oil industry. Oil resources are finite. Oil is used at greater rate so the end is nigh. Oil is bad and causes pollution. Artificial manipulation of supply causes huge price jumps, forcing society to find ways of being more economical. Less useage means the reserves last longer, not part of the plan. Socialists remember this trick and put it to use in ruinable industry.
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In addition to your point 3. After the major power outage in SA years ago most important businesses installed their own diesel genset backups. So, if that state ever went black again, the fallout will be nowhere as bad. In fact, very soon those same businesses ( supermarkets, pubs, restaurants etc) may find running diesel part time with some solar blended in, could actually be cheaper than grid supplied power.
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When it comes to my hopes for the future, I am having to seriously recalibrate my expectations of just how far ‘the people’ can be pushed around before fighting back or refusing to cooperate. Covid showed us that enough people will meekly comply with just about anything, sufficient to give authoritarian governments enough initial inertia that the rest of us get flattened – or have rubber bullets fired at us by Dan’s militia before we’re rounded up and thrown in gaol.
Seriously, how many of you saw THAT coming? Just a few years ago, I would have called you crazy for saying that kind of thing could happen here, and then millions of Australians would just turn a blind eye.
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Heartily agree, Steve. My eldest son was one of those shot at with rubber bullets by Andrews’ goon squad, for merely having the temerity to suggest that the leaders of the so-called ‘trade union’ to whom he had paid a not so small fortune in membership dues over the years, should stand up for the rights of their membership. This included the right to refuse an experimental medical treatment which was of no benefit whatsoever to any of those healthy young construction workers. The cowards in control of that union hid from their members and locked themselves in their offices, while denigrating those very members on live radio. This government is coming up for election in the next couple of weeks and are asking all those whose businesses were destroyed and those whose jobs were taken away, to vote for them so that they may keep THEIR cushy little jobs.
Never forget. Never, ever forgive.
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Unreliables proponents seem to think they have ‘synthesized’ inertia in inverters, talk about smoke and mirrors.
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Yes let’s have the clueless UNRELIABLES using their own resources to keep their energy flowing, but we all know that is mission impossible.
At the moment we all know that RELIABLE coal, gas, hydro and nuclear percentage generation has hardly altered over the last 30 years and is still well above 80% globally.
So all we’ve achieved by WASTING TRILLIONs of $ for decades is a very UNRELIABLE super expensive system that ensures we lose even more JOBs and INDUSTRY to China etc.
And of course ZERO change to TEMPERATURE or CLIMATE by 2100. Just look up Wiki GLOBAL co2 emission’s graph since 1970 and then start to WAKE UP.
BTW I just heard the delusional Biden donkey at COP 27 yapping about their highway to hell nonsense and claiming that the USA co2 emissions reductions will save the day.
AGAIN can anyone show us their so called “highway to hell” or EXISTENTIAL THREAT BS and FRAUD? Where is it?
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How can the donkey Biden claim the USA will meet their commitments by 2030, he doesn’t even know what day it is.
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You answered your own question 🙂
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Meanwhile Russia generates cheaper reliable energy without the ‘Ruinables.
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And rakes in the ‘Rubles’.
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So can any of our blog donkeys explain their highway to hell and their existential threat?
Using proper UN data and evidence proves their claims are just more BS and FRAUD.
This should be easy pickings for the con merchants, but I’m sure we’ll just hear crickets AGAIN.
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“I’m sure we’ll just hear crickets AGAIN”
They will be able to go hunting and gathering .. for their evening meal ! 😉
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Yes I agree b.nice, now why didn’t I think of that?
Of course we’ll get lots more exercise, but alas last time that was tried the Human race had a life expectancy UNDER 40 years.
And we didn’t lift that life expectancy until AFTER 1800, but who cares about trifling details like that?
I mean what does it matter if we endured the first 200,000 thousands years with a life expectancy of LESS than 40 years? SARC.
But I’m sure the wealthy elites would be very happy to organise another rerun of the pre 1800 life expectancy period? Of course that’s only for us, BUT definitely not for them.
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“life expectancy of LESS than 40 years”
Not sure what the life expectancy of the AGW scam will be.
There’s lots of money and power to be gained by many, in keeping it in its current zombie state !!
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“There’s lots of money and power to be gained by many, in keeping it in its current zombie state” !!
Spot on b.nice that’s a very accurate comment and reluctantly I have to agree.
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There will be plenty of renewable energy available for all that’s left after they have killed off all but 500000000 of us.
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Comment in https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2022/11/11/sweden-plan-to-increase-emissions/
Once again we are seeing heavily subsidised UK wind exports at negative prices. Last night they were negative at the system level for eight hours at down to minus £76/MWh, with net exports peaking at 5.2GW. The biggest winners are those windfarms with high priced CFDs, who managed to ensure that the day ahead reference prices were not negative for the six contiguous hours that would have seen their subsidy eliminated.
The UK has been selling electricity to France because half their nuclear plants are down. And when they want some in the depths of winter, will they get any?
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COVID shut down the global economy and the trend in atmospheric CO2 wasn’t altered one iota. That message should be the very first statement made in any global warming discussion.
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I find it infuriating to read this kind of news. The UK, like Australia, and the rest of the West seems to be stuck in stupid. It’s like going for a surf in the slough of despond.
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“It’s like going for a surf in the slough of despond.”
Or a surf at Bondi before they increased the length of the ocean outfall !
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Bondi, just watch out for the Bondi Cigars, there was a band with that name, or where you could swim on undeterred.
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I knew the guys from the “Bondi Cigars” quite well.
Even provided some audio gear for free at times when they were playing in the Newcastle area.
Another fun blues band was the Blues Cowboys, went to plenty of their gigs. 🙂
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They were appearing at the Grafton RSL once when we went there for a meal, missed them though, we were a couple of days early, loved the sign though.
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“Bondi Cigars – Howlin At The Moon”.
https://youtu.be/6TebRmJInj0
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD9RCF3wZKc
Bondi Cigars…. Intensive Care.
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I have 4 CDs of the Bondi Cigars 🙂
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The sewage of a growing colony settlement was initially diverted into the Sydney Harbour until the early 1900s.
History here:
Sydney’s Water Sewerage and Drainage System
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Being paid not to produce, isn’t this how most of Europe operates, butter mountains, wine lakes, etc.
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Butter mountains, wine lakes . . .
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I’ve been trying to figure out how to get onto that rort.
So far I have come up with a long and detailed list of the amazing things I intend to not produce … for the right price of course.
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https://fee.org/articles/i-want-to-be-a-consumer/
A great classic … not quoted as often as it ought.
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‘It is only a rort if you are not in on it’……….
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I find it incredible how people throw around the word billion and do not have any idea how big it is (no I am not getting at your headline Jo, as you obviously understand the amount, hence your article).
But politicians, bureaucrats and some financiers speak of billions like we used talk about millions, almost as though it is pocket change.
There was some guy on WUWT the other day saying the world has to come up with 2 trillion dollars (mainly from the private sector, he says) EVERY YEAR to help the poorer countries with Climate Change issues etc. Recent US bills going through the Congress/ Senate costing trillions, so it looks like trillion is the “new billion”.
They clearly do not understand the amounts and have lost all sense of financial reality.
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After trillion comes quadrillion.
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Maybe just stick with Bush’s Brazillion so that we don’t have to keep changing.
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Too small.
Pretty soon the deficit will be in googols.
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My thoughts exactly Ross. I was going to make a post to that effect.
I think it’s the general innumeracy and scientific ignorance (and ignorance in all its forms) of politicians and Sheeple in general.
Cashiers in shops can’t even work out change to give unless the cash register tells them. And they are often completely lost if you give them extra so they can give you change in a nice rounded amount like 50c, $1 etc..
Australia’s national debt of over $1.6 trillion for all federal, state and local government debt is utterly meaningless for most and of no concern whatsoever. And it continues to increase, relentlessly. But over $61,000 for every man, woman and child. Given that there are relatively few net wealth producers in Australia, how is it ever going to be repaid? And almost no one cares.
https://australiandebtclock.com.au/
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Millions of people don’t really understand debt, on a government/nation level, or a personal level. That has been the case for generations now, made worse by low interest rates and the proliferation of easy credit. Consequently, they don’t see much difference – if any – between the money they earned through their labour and the monet that was loaned to them by the bank. It’s all just ‘money’ waiting to be spent and, as it is spent, it can be topped up, topped up again, and topped up forever. It’s just numbers.
So it it any wonder that the same people couldn’t care less how much money the government borrows, or how big the numbers are? It doesn’t matter any more than their own debt matters.
There isn’t any stigma attached to borrowing, either. When I was a boy, and well into my early years as a married man, debt was something to be ashamed of, suggesting you can’t manage your own affairs or that you were somehow greedy, or a reckless spendthift. We were expected to save up for whatever we needed but, if you had to borrow to buy a house or car, you did your utmost to pay the loan off as quickly as possible. No so today.
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Steve, it is greatly worrying, the attitude of so many, young and not so young, to debt. My wife and I, both Scots, were born at the start of WWII. We remember well how our parents had to watch every penny because debt was an absolute no no. In turn both of us learned by example to ensure that we never spent what we did not have. We seldom use a credit card and if we do, we have to know that there is enough in our current bank account to pay it at the end of the month (we have never had to pay bank interest on our cards).
Unfortunately, because our younger daughter married a successful businessman and is very well off, our three grandsons have no idea of the true value of money and spend what little they earn like drunken sailors. I fear that they will learn the hard way when at last they are chucked out of the nest.
Expensive power will only be one of the millstones around their necks.
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Those same cashiers may also have already served 200 customers that day, be coming to the end of a 6 hr shift with no break and be physically and mentally tired. Casting them all as idiots is a smudge arrogant, but they get that a lot.
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I wonder if people would understand a billion better if you said “lets call every dollar one second of time” and then go back from today until you get to a billion seconds. It would take you back to 1991!! (NB. this idea is not mine, I read it a few months ago).
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The same problem occurs with ppm and ppb. People are told CO2 in the atmosphere has risen to 400 ppm and most think 400 million parts, wow that sounds huge. But they don’t realise it’s 400 parts in a million parts. We have idiotic governments now talking about methane and cow farts (burps to be technically correct, but fart sounds better) and that is measured in ppb. No one ever mentions that or gives some perspective, which is the thing nearly always absent from any scientific public discussion.
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Yes, and ten billion seconds ago, it was about 1710, with Queen Anne on the throne of Britain – and British North America.
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Trillions are difficult to conceive, when it comes to money. Personally I think of a trillion pounds nationally as being twenty thousand pounds personally. The arithmetic is trivial. In ball-park figure the population of the UK is fifty million, so one trillion divided by fifty million is twenty thousand, whereas one billion divided by fifty million is twenty. Additionally (IIRC) one billion was roughly the cost of the London Millennium Dome. [Insert local boondoggle or vanity project to suit local issues here! Fifty billion is being spent on duplicating the rail link between London and Birmingham.] Now if the Government takes twenty pounds from my wallet and everybody else’s to celebrate 2000 I might not notice; if it takes one thousand to buy a new train set I might keep a critical eye on the cost-benefits; when it takes twenty thousand pounds from me and everybody else in order to destroy the electrical grid, or to fight an unwinnable war on an epidemic, or to save up in order to pay “reparations” into a global slush fund for an imaginary climate catastrophe, then the result will be economic collapse resulting in civil unrest on an unprecedented scale. Yet the average person still doesn’t grasp the difference between a billion and a trillion!
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The UK energy grid and government policies appears resplendent with all sorts of absurdities. The fact that the UK can burn wood pellets in DRAX power plant in Yorkshire shipped from the US has to be the biggest absurdity. They’re burning immature coal with some impressive carbon miles/km built in and then depriving the world of CO2 sequestering plants at the same time.
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There’s one line in Joanne’s text that stands out so tellingly:
Think about that for a minute.
We have spent billions and billions constructing a method of power generation that, well, really, doesn’t actually deliver the power that they said it would.
They also said wind power would replace coal fired power. It doesn’t.
It also doesn’t deliver power ….. on demand.
It IS NOT cheap, as they also so often told us.
Then, on top of all that, they now blandly tell us that to improve the intermittency factor (and here, note that they have now even conceded that they are intermittent) we need to spend even MORE billions to construct batteries which not only consume more power than they actually deliver, they now divert the power which could have been be used by consumers when it was actually being generated, in order to charge those batteries, and these batteries are even more costly per MWH of power delivered than the original intermittent method of power delivery, wind and solar power.
I wonder how long they can keep getting away with saying that renewable power is the cheapest method of power generation. And now also note how wind plant manufactures are struggling, and saying that they may just regret saying it was so cheap.
Also, note how little snippets are gradually being released about all things related to power generation, how not much of what has been told to us is actually true. There’s going to be a $h1tl0@d of very embarrassed politicians in the near future.
Read that blockquote again.
Tony.
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I generally agree with what you said Tony, except I don’t think politicians will be embarrassed, at least for a long time, because the legacy and social(ist) media currently follow the narrative, although that may change now that Leftists have been excised from Twitter and it has become a free speech platform.
Note also we are now seeing Leftists start to beg for forgiveness over their supposed covid mistakes. They were not mistakes, what they did was quite deliberate. The truth of defective “vaccines” and strategies and the inappropriate banning of safe antivirals was always known by people like us and they just called us stupid conspiracy theorists etc..
We have also endlessly explained the non-viability of unreliables and the lack of any catastrophic anthropogenic global warming.
The similarities of these two issues, both grossly mismanaged by the Left and both ultimately with the Left’s objective of weakening and ultimately destroying Western Civilisation are remarkable.
In neither case should we forgive or forget.
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Hi Tony.
They only need to keep the lie going for about another 18 months.
After that we will be in some form of permanent lockdown with a civilian version of martial law imposed by police with military backup. We will have a CBDC cashless monetary system with a social credit score and a UBI for the bulk of the population who will be unemployed.
Your smartphone, internet and email activity will be monitored and policed by the eSafety Commission under the Online Safety Act 2021 and associated legislation. The laws and regulations to do all this have already been passed and are just waiting for implementation.
You will own nothing and you will be happy . . .
Or else.
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… and now for the good news.
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The cold weather, subsequent crop failures and resultant death of over half the world’s population will only last for about 100 years. after that things will start to return to normal.
Maybe.
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I don’t believe it, do you have a link?
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A link to the future? You’ve got to be kidding.
Regardless, climate being cyclical, it’s pretty easy to look up past records and figure out where we are in that cycle now. Once you go and research that and understand the Malthusian mindset of our Elites, it becomes easy to understand what all this “scamdemic” and “climate emergency” and “ban fossil fuels” is all about.
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Here is a link to the future, by looking back we can see ahead.
https://weather.plus/amo-index.php
There is an outside chance that the Thames could freeze around 2030.
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‘ … figure out where we are in that cycle now.’
I have looked for quite awhile, we are at the end of a 60 year cycle.
‘The winter of 1963 was the coldest for more than 200 years.
‘The weeks before had been changeable and stormy, but then on 22 December a high pressure system moved to the north-east of the British Isles, dragging bitterly cold winds across the country. This situation was to last much of the winter.’ (Met Office)
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They are very pretty red and blue graphs, Gordi, but I am at a loss to understand what you are trying to tell me.
BTW, the Thames has never frozen in the over 2,000 years that there has been a human settlement at London (previously Londinium), and there’s no good reason to believe that it will in the future.
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‘ … the Thames has never frozen in over 2,000 years.’
Even professor leaf would criticise that comment.
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Memoryvault:
The Thames froze over often in London until 1814. Sorry, haven’t a list available but 1677/78, 1684/85, 1708/09, 1715/16, 1739/40. This was because the Old London Bridge used to retard ice floes and allow build up. Quickly the ice on the river became thick enough to support people, booths, carriages even an elephant and the Ice Fairs could last 8 weeks.
When the Old London Bridge was demolished there were no more Ice Fairs**
The Thames has frozen over further up-stream fairly often, but it isn’t newsworthy so hard to get dates. Last time was just a few years ago.
**This was the real Old London Bridge, not the one built in 1830 and subsequently sold to an American who sited in in Havasu City in Arizona.
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Regarding the winter of 1963, it may have been due to the cooling by the volcanic eruption in Indonesia.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/257428344_The_1963-1964_eruption_of_Agung_volcano_Bali_Indonesia
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It predates the winter of 1962-63, so my guess it maybe related to Starfish.
‘On July 9, 1962, crowds gathered on the beaches of Honolulu, Hawaii, and watched as the US detonated a nuclear bomb in outer space.’
Most likely the chill that struct Europe is directly related to the AMO going negative.
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Hi P.S, this chap on YouTube search archaic worth a look. He spent 26 years incarcerated obsorbing history books, his chronological insights leed to concise date’s.
Another rabbit hole.
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Hi Will.
Sounds interesting. Got a link to the Youtube clip?
You call me PS – Peter Sawyer. Do we know each other from the past?
Forgive me for not remembering, but seven major strokes will do that, and the last one in 2018 was a doozy. Left my memory a bit of a shambles.
Elsewhere these days I comment as “Faulty Memory”. I intend getting Jo to change me to that name here as well. Just haven’t got around to it yet – I keep forgetting.
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Yes we have met initially at Confest. I helped with your publuc events in Sydney. Mary from Richmond
I very much appreciate your response and all that you have done for Australia.
I live in Barraba nsw. We are to hold an assembly here soon.
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YouTube search title
Reset Cities of the deep
This interview format I think best as Jason’s work can present a little scattered.
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Thanks for that Will. It’s an hour and a half long so I’ll watch it tomorrow morning over coffee.
Wow! We go all the way back to the days of Mary H! That was in the 80’s – 35 years ago.
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Memoryvault,
Your doubts about The Thames freezing over aren’t correct, mate.
In accordance with fair use, you can use any search engine you like, to lookup “Thames Frost Fairs”
I quote an excerpt, as follows;
The Thames Frost Fairs
Between 1600 and 1814, it was not uncommon for the River Thames to freeze over for up to two months at time. There were two main reasons for this; the first was that Britain (and the entire of the Northern Hemisphere) was locked in what is now known as the ‘Little Ice Age’. The other catalyst was the medieval London Bridge and its piers, and specifically how closely spaced together they were. During winter, pieces of ice would get lodged between the piers and effectively dam up the river, meaning it was easier for it to freeze.
Although these harsh winters often brought with them famine and death, it was the local Londonders – as enterprising and resilient as ever – who decided to make the most of it and set up the Thames Frost Fairs. In fact, between 1607 and 1814 there were a total of seven major fairs, as well as countless smaller ones.
It’s Climate, it’s cyclic, and occurs on a regular timescale. No humans or their alleged output or input required. We’re all just along for the ride.
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My good friend,
You need to read more carefully.
The statement by Gordi was that the “Thames could freeze around 2030”. I responded that it never had and probably never would in the future, and I stand by that.
In the period you are referring to there was a weir across the Thames. Water backed up at the weir and then overflowed and continued downstream. In winter the water at the surface up to the weir froze over and formed a crust. However, under the crust the water still flowed, went over the weir, and continued downstream. The fairs you are referring to were held on that crust. But the river still flowed.
The weir is long since gone and with it the opportunity for such a crust to form again regardless of how cold it gets. Short of the river turning into a glacier, that is.
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Everything else in your post I agree entirely with. I had not read about the piers, only the weir, but I will take your word for it.
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It was bitterly cold.
‘The sea froze 4 miles (6 km) out to sea from Dunkirk. The upper reaches of the River Thames froze over, although it did not freeze in Central London, partly due to the hot effluent from two thermal power stations, Battersea and Bankside. The removal of the multi-arched London Bridge, which had obstructed the river’s free flow, and the addition of the river embankments, kept the river from freezing in London as it had in earlier times.’ (wiki)
Those power station are now gone, so I think there is a reasonable chance that the Thames could freeze over at London Bridge.
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No, things will not return to normal. The cold weather, subsequent crop failures and resultant death of over half the world’s population will all be blamed on climate change, and they will build even more windmills to try to stop them. Or, if they think they can get away with it, they will either report the cold weather as warmer weather, or they will report crop failures as crop records and mass deaths as population growth. Anything to keep going with the narrative.
Just today, the BBC stated “Extreme weather is also making it harder to grow food. Staples like wheat, corn and coffee are already being affected.” – without mentioning record world production of wheat and corn. The disinformation just keeps on coming.
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I’m Mad As Hell and I’m Not Gonna Take This Anymore!
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We will have a CBDC cashless monetary system with a social credit score
The Commonwealth Bank has already informed me that it is tracking my credit card purchases and will “inform me” of my CO2 emissions score so that I “can learn to modify my purchasing habits” for the good of the climate.
Soon, if fear, I will have no choice in modifying my purchasing habits. One fill of my Range Rover diesel tank and that will be it – no more fuel purchases that month.
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Gosh, why am I still hearing the very load noises of crickets AGAIN?
I know it’s boring to ask the liars and con merchants to show us their EXISTENTIAL THREAT and ROAD TO HELL lunacy, but you’d think some silly donkey would make an attempt? Anyone?
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Remember, it’s the same people pushing crickets for human consumption (by non-Elites) as are pushing unreliables.
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A guy called Vince came and passed wind a couple of days ago. !
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“but you’d think some silly donkey would make an attempt? Anyone?”
Trying to prod such into doing just that –
“Senator Malcolm Roberts Challenges the Aussie Government to Prove CO2 is a Problem”
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/11/11/senator-malcolm-roberts-challenges-the-aussie-government-to-prove-co2-is-a-problem/
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Malcolm Roberts and Pauline Hanson both voted in favour of the Online Safety Act 2021 which will soon be used to silence all electronic dissent, including sites like this one (sorry Jo, I’ll miss you).
In the meantime he can prattle on all he likes about CO2. It now makes no difference to anything.
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Well I think he’s doing the right thing.
The “CO2 is evil” narrative is false and needs to be publicly shown to be false. Our democratic sys need this sort of proof to survive. The alternative is some autocratic system where the population has no say at all. Possibly by China.
No thanks.
Is our system perfect? No, and it does need change, but there is a chance of getting some improvement if some of our “representatives” can be persuaded that the basis of the “global warming” scam is fraudulent.
I hope.
Cheers
Dave B
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Which is precisely what Roberts and Hanson have voted in favour of by supporting the Online Safety Act.
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On the subject of Soviet electricity, here is a seven page paper from 1991 about electricity in the former Soviet Union.
https://inis.iaea.org/collection/NCLCollectionStore/_Public/25/011/25011834.pdf
Even they saw the importance of having cheap, reliable power for economic development.
They old Soviets would be shocked about how their comrades in the West are destroying proper power generation…or maybe not…it achieves the old Soviet objective of destroying the West.
Now Australia, along with most of the West is regressing back over 200 years to before the start of the steam age and reverting to random wind generation. There was a VERY GOOD reason that wind was abandoned as soon as a reliable steam engine was developed.
Most people don’t know this since the Leftist infiltration of the education system brought about the teaching that everything associated with the Industrial Revolution was bad and “racist” (sic).
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This is nothing to fear just one step closer to total collapse,shan’t be too long now I would think.
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In Victoria before the dawning of renewables we were told by the old SEC that there is 700 years minimum of brown coal in the Latrobe Valley and there is probably double that in places like Altona through to Bacchus Marsh. Now we can’t use it because we have cheap renewables. The price of brown coal is not linked to black coal so it we can’t blame the Russia for price hikes on coal.
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I know Jo is quoting journalists for integrity in this article, but can we please stop calling them wind farms. Also, we need to stop using the term” renewable” energy. Call them wind/solar installations or wind/solar plants. Not farms, because they then sound all cute and cuddly. Instead of renewable use “intermittent”. Renewable is something you do to old furniture.
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Industrial wind plants ….. Industrial solar plants.
Tony.
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Not so silent monuments to mans idiocy.
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Subsidy harvesters will do me
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Monuments of folly.
https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2022/11/the-biggest-public-policy-disaster-in-a-lifetime/
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Thanks e g,
It’s great to know that Ian Plimer is still active with his challenges to the warming myth. His “Heaven and Earth” was one my earliest references.
And I’m impressed that he got the article published to coincide with the COP 27 boondoggle.
Glad you found it.
Cheers
Dave B
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I especially noted his comments about how these policies are transfering wealth from the poor to the rich. yup. And that is why people don’t want to see the gravey train derailed.
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Oh but they are all “Farms” – farming / milking subsidies. As a Farmer, We were taught that part of the markets for our crops was into “Intervention” ie sell to government as a form of EXTRA subsidy. Way back since a tleast the 1960’s , Scottish farmers & Crofters were encouraged to increase production AND productivity. Many subsidies were given: Drainage, fertility, buildings, animals, and then Grants as well for those things, including machinery. So tongue in cheek, you could say we were farming the system. Then as now, but in other forms and words. But the Gravy Train is something else – Worse.
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The term renewable irks me too.
But then so are Hydro, oil and coal given sufficient time…
How about self-replenishing?
Or spasmodic generation?
Or Hopelessly Unreliable Meagre Producers of Energy Released Spasmodically?
If only I could think of an acronym 😆
Another creation for the JC2 lexicon.
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I have used the following acronym a few times. WMPI- Wind Motion Power Installations. Also sounds like “wimpy”, which describes beautifully their energy output.
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Wind Installations.. Motionless, Powerless. 🙂
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Huh, I’ve just been calling them Herons ( or Pelicans ) – standing at my fishless pond….. get it ?
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Why no commentary on nuclear energy as the solution?
Here is my Haiku:
Uranium and Thorium
Lying in the ground
Wasted nuclides.
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Because we don’t even have the capacity to turn uranium ore into yellowcake, let alone the 3% purity needed for nuclear fuel rods. We would have to import (very expensive) fuel from the USA.
Conversely, the entire eastern third of our continent floats on a bed of very cheap brown coal.
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Nuclear power plants might be expensive to build, but are very cheap to run. The fuel is certainly cheaper than coal.
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Only if you have the capacity to turn uranium ore into 3% uranium fuel rods. We don’t even have the capacity to turn the ore into yellowcake, the first step. Add to that the fact that we do not have the capacity to actually build a nuclear power station and the whole exercise becomes very expensive – both to build, and to run.
Conversely, give me a handful of decent engineers plus some metal tradies and their offsiders and I’ll build you a 250-megawatt coal fired power station in twelve months, for under $100 million. Rinse and repeat as often as is necessary.
These stations won’t be terribly efficient – we can’t build modern turbines either – but they will be cheap as chips to run on low grade brown coal, and as an added bonus they will exhaust heaps of plant food into the atmosphere. A win-win situation all round.
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Australia used to export processed uranium ore in the form of yellowcake. Is this no longer done?
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Nuclear power generation is banned in Australia and the idea is unlikely to get up.
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They don’t want a solution.
Of course the real solution is to realize that co2 does not need to be mitigated.
They have created a make believe problem as a means to another end.
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And all this energy nonsense, because the weather is NOT getting any worse, anywhere.
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2022/11/11/extreme-weather-in-india-is-not-getting-worse/#more-59800
The first comment by dbb says all that needs to be said
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Wow. Just wow.
It’s not as simple as it sounds, is it?
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Honestly, even Somalia or Zimbabwe could do better than this!
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I keep saying that utilities should bid in two week increments, any non conformance with supply is picked up by any other utility who can produce the electricity needed with the original bidder having to pay a fine for non conformance and cover the difference in prices so consumer prices stayed the same . Biggest step would be removal of all subsidies first so you only get paid for what you produce .
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” so you only get paid for what you produce…
… when it is needed. !
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The PM knows this entire green affair is unpopular but he also “knows” that the option of the labour party is so unpalatable that people will have to vote conservative, or so they think. He alluded to a more skeptical or lukewarm approach to energy policy during his summer debates.
The vote will have to be split by insurgent parties and this could take another 15 years. Just as with securing Brexit.
Perhaps the threat of a split from true right wing voters will help them come to their senses.
So there’s what the politicians really think/know and what they think popular voters believe about climate change and CO2.
The world needs Trump or someone with the same tough approach to the supranational power grab disguised as “saving the planet”.
Someone who won’t give in to globalist bullies
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The PM knows this entire green affair is unpopular but he also “knows” that the option of the labour party is so unpalatable that people will have to vote conservative, or so they think. He alluded to a more skeptical or lukewarm approach to energy policy during his summer debates.
The vote will have to be split by insurgent parties and this could take another 15 years. Just as with securing Brexit. Perhaps the threat of a split from true right wing voters will help them come to their senses.
So there’s what the politicians really think/know and what they think popular voters believe about climate change and CO2. The world needs Trump or someone with the same tough approach to the supranational power grab disguised as “saving the planet”. Someone who won’t give in to globalist bullies
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This article is a good summary of why “green energy” really isn’t green or energetic.
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/11/why_green_energy_is_not_green_at_all.html
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