The Energy debate in the most powerful nation on Earth is nothing more than stone age animism. Or perhaps it’s not that sophisticated. It’s just a kindergarten story.
The Democrats are the new Religious Caste. They have the hot-line to God, to Gaia, and luckily for Earth, at the eleventh hour they have managed to send a smoke-signal to Mother Earth to calm her down.
Nothing is too inane, too simplistic or too banal:
“How can they vote against The Planet? Mother Earth Gets Angry from Time to Time and this legislation will help us address all of that”. –– Nancy Pelosi
Marc Morano asks: “Will human sacrifices be next?“.
Surely yes, and the next one is on the way. If they can just jail Trump it will stop the seas rising.
How indeed can anyone vote against the Planet. Say hello to the Rocks of Democracy…
For a couple of hundred years we rose above the witchdoctor spells and promises of shaman.
Pelosi was more drunk than usual when she said this?
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“Will human sacrifices be next?“.
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Or The Dance of The Banana Republic Including US Queen-of-Witchdoctor-Congress in Her Normal Pose
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Meanwhile – Queen-of-Witchdoctor-Congress’s Son
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Queen-of-Witchdoctor-Congress joined by Fauci Rat
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You are the carbon they want to reduce, remember. That’s what the vaxxes are for..😉
…and the latest worse-than-ever Covid variant (yawn…) is here too btw.
BA.4.6
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I am reminded of an entry in an old Unix fortune file:
“/earth is 97% full. Please delete anyone you can.”
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Sadly, there are many in the queue to the Table. e.g. listen here – there are hundreds.. https://rumble.com/v1g3q8n-diana-west-the-january-6th-committee-charade-and-trump-fbi-raid.html
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https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/08/15/pelosi-biden-manchin-climate-bill-will-appease-angry-earth-mother-earth-gets-angry-from-time-to-time-this-legislation-will-help-us-address-all-of-that/
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“The Politically Incorrect Guide to Climate Change,” book excerpt:
Scholarly studies confirm that witch trials were on the upswing during the Little Ice Age. According to a 2012 Live Science article, “Historical records indicate that, worldwide, witch hunts occur more often during cold periods, possibly because people look for scapegoats to blame for crop failures and general economic hardship. Fitting the pattern, scholars argue that cold weather may have spurred the infamous Salem witch trials in 1692.” …
Princeton Professor Emeritus of Physics William Happer in 2017 drew parallels to today’s man-made climate change claims. “I don’t see a whole lot of difference between the consensus on climate change and the consensus on witches. At the witch trials in Salem the judges were educated at Harvard. This was supposedly 100 percent science. The one or two people who said there were no witches were immediately hung. Not much has changed,” Happer quipped. …
Salem State University historian Emerson Baker’s research agrees with Oster’s findings. “A harsh New England winter really may have set the stage for accusations of witchcraft,” noted a Live Science analysis of Baker’s research. The bad weather may have helped stir up the population’s psychological state into a full-blown mass hysteria.
Does Sacrifice Appease The Sun? ‘This is an age old idea used by Aztecs. It was well known at the time that global warming was ubiquitous and caused by a lack of human blood being spilled’
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We Are Not Planet-Controlling Gods; We Are Merely Earth’s Stewards
Once upon a time when things went terribly wrong in the world, it was believed to be the work of the gods who were, for some reason, displeased with humanity. Droughts, floods, tornados, hurricanes, blizzards, and even heat waves were attributed to a vengeful god. Those beliefs are now thought to be nonsense. Instead, our entire economy and American lifestyle are being overturned in pursuit of a new nonsensical faux-religious belief system.
Today we are told that it is we who are the instruments of our own destruction. Man has flooded Kentucky and caused a drought in California. Certainly, gods do not have that kind of power. We create the tragic events that bedevil us and, therefore, we have the power to end them. People created global warming, and people can fix it by ridding the world of individual freedom, personal autonomy, internal combustion engines, cheap abundant energy, and inexpensive, quality food. That is the message we’re getting. The lesson that the American middle class must learn by whatever means necessary, or we will all perish.
But what about the long ages before man? Human beings have been around for maybe 300,000 years. Who was wreaking havoc on the world before we appeared on the scene?
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News flash… “The left see Trump as a threat to Democracy.”
Oh, I see a big spelling mistake there, I’ll fix it.
‘The left see Trump as a threat to Democrats’
There, all fixed. !
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Note to ‘Earl’, it seems we were both discussing different Islands generating setups, you were quoting King Island and I was quoting Flinders Island, looking at Flinders Island at 06:40, the diesel is running with some wind input, the battery is NOT being charged and is sitting at about 30% charge, because the diesel takes the swings in demand and ‘unreliables’ input, the scheme does NOT waste diesel fuel on the battery, unlike King Island.
[Check your email. This is headed a bit off topic at #3. I’ve sent a message. – Jo]
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Pelosi, ” Mother Earth gets angry”, Oh ,we see, the Gaiia theory.
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It’s odd that you dismiss the Gaia Hypothesis because arguing that Earth’s surface is maintained in a habitable state by self-regulating feedback mechanisms is a common thread in climate change skepticism. That’s assuming that homo sapiens are organisms tightly coupled to their environment, which might no longer be the case.
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Earth responds to extra amounts of CO2 by growing more plant matter.
That is the ONLY effect that much needed CO2 has.
Below 280ppm aCO2 is unsustainable… borderline existence for many plant species.
A good value for plant growth seems to be around 700-1000ppm
We still have a long way to go to reach that highly beneficial amount.
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It seems that 1200 ppm CO2 is maintained for hydroponic vegetable factory.
The eath was well over 1200 ppm CO2 when the vegetation was huge enough to manufacture these ‘fossil’ fuels.
That’s how we got these fuels from the sun.
It takes a long time but they are now being renewed!
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Let’s hope CO2 keeps rising.
I think 800-1200ppm is a good number.
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IIRC when I last asked the question as to the atmospheric CO2 level if all the fossil fuels were burnt, I had the reply that the level would be 6-700 ppm.
Has anyone done the calculation recently, and what was their answer?
Presumably there would be a dynamic equilibrium between the level in the atmosphere and the sea.
If there is a rise of 100 ppm in the atmosphere, how much of the CO2 would be taken up by the seas?
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I’m doing my bit LOL.
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So science is coming up with a brainfart that must be accepted unless those that had the brainfart are impressed with the rebuttal.
Interesting.
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Hello Simon – maybe Gaia is more upset about us tightly coupling these spinning windmills and laying kilometres of interconnecting conductors in mother earth. I would be upset if my backyard was covered in them.
Pause at 30 secs into this youtube The Huge, Weird Batteries of the Future and assure me that you approve of what you see.
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Simon, a fundamental difference is that the Gaia Hypothesis (as a self-regulating feedback mechanism) is widely and fairly criticised as unsupported by the evidence. More of a “tainted metaphor” as someone once described it.
Gaia Hypothesis does have a common thread with climate change ‘science’ which is that both are clearly not firmly based in reality.
In contrast, climate change skepticism is well supported both by the observed evidence of the present times, and in by comparisons with historical evidence of past climates.
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The Gaia Hypothesis and gaia worship are connected but not the same, in the same way rubbish philosophical theories based on Isaac Newton’s work and Newton are connected. I do agree that Jo Nova might rethink the use of gaia, ‘Mother nature’ sounds like paganism.
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Perhaps Jan. But the main point of the post is not that Pelosi has any spiritual ideology at all, but that she is playing to and exploiting other people’s spiritual instincts of all kinds (pagan, animism, Shamanism, Gaia-ism, etc) and at the same time they call it “science”. (Which is playing to a kind of cargo cult scientism too. What’s the word for that?)
She is selling the idea that legislation can change the weather. She is putting herself up there as a kind of defacto chieftan / high priest / shaman of many belief systems.
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“She is selling the idea that legislation can change the weather.”
I don’t think anyone is doing that as weather is far too short term to be affected by legislation.
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hahaha. I laughed. Thank you. You have no idea how appropriate your answer is. You think Nancy might change the weather even one day?
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I’ve just traded my V6 petrol power for a bigger V8.
Trouble is the guvvamints: they’re trying to keep CO2 low, and lower. Wrong way, Jose!! We need more of it, not less.
Just think: those poor plants … most of them evolved when atmospheric CO2 levels were around 1000ppm. At the current level of 420ppm, they’re effectively starving.
See Dave Maddison at 4.1.1.1.1 He’s got it right.
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Legislation can’t change weather, but it can change climate.
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“but it can change climate.”
Arrant NONSENSE. !
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https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-scientists-say-about-the-historic-climate-bill/
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LOL, a few zealot self-name “climate” scientists like it, because it destroys more of the reliable electricity system to replace it with a fantasy.
SO WHAT!!
Read the mantra nonsense these clown put forward.. really hilarious stuff. ! 🙂
I repeat, and I know you cannot counter it with any actual science….
This bill will have ABSOLUTELY ZERO EFFECT on the global climate.
It will not have even the tiniest effect on any future warming or cooling.
It is all based on a total fantasy.
Please explain how it will…. back by real science, if you can actually find any.
The really big threat to humanity at the moment is the AGENDA behind the fantasy of “climate change”.
This sort of bill is a monumental waste of time, money and resources and full of pointless platitudes,
It will bring about the collapse of the USA.. exactly as planned
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Absolutely nothing the Democrats legislate will make one iota of difference to the global climate.
Just make everybody except their chosen elite, a lot poorer.
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When will they legislate against the second law of thermodynamics. That little blighter gets in the way all the time.
And whilst they are at it, can they ban gravity from rocket launches, it’ll save a lot of smoke from the exhaust pipe of those big noisy engines.
I know… They are short term and probably considered weather not climate, and that’s why they haven’t been ‘fixed’ yet.
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30 years of weather is climate as you said weather can’t be changed, right, so you can’t the other, simple, isn’t it ? 😀
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Mr. Simon: Legislation can’t change the weather but it can change 30-year long weather patterns? You couldn’t be more wrong if you were standing next to the Great Pyramid, saying humans are physically incapable of moving stones, but somehow a law passed and the Pyramid got built.
Our host puts the perfect flourish to an article exposing third-in-line of power in US as a moron, and this is your “reply”? Trolls everywhere are ashamed of you.
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Simon
The article in Scientific American stopped before telling us what the reduction of temperature would be. Does it say what that number is? I’m curious. What I have seen recently is .028 C which is peanuts.
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But Pelosi is assuming that weather that is above or below average, is an example of mother earth getting angry and that the legislation can stop that. Yes, mother earth gets angry at times, but it’s not weather, its volcanoes, earthquakes, tsunamis and the like.
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Simon showing his adherence to the “out of balance” theory. The core assumption of environmentalism.
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Not sure if you realise Gaiia is not a ‘person’ or ‘human’, and Earth has been looking after itself for 4.7 billion years, and will still be here long after we are all gone.
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I do agree with Simon though, I don’t have a problem with Lovelock’s theory. Whether it is “the” organism – like Nancy is saying – is up for debate, but it seems perfectly logical to me that earth is a self regulating system which is, as Simon says, why I don’t fear CO2.
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This is not an argument. It is a statement of fact; proven over 4 billion years. It is the result of the large proportion of water over the surface and in the atmosphere combined with the atmospheric mass that enables deep convection. This imbues Earth with a very wide tolerance for solar input to remain in a stable state.
The annual variation in ocean surface temperature is 0.5C despite the solar peak intensity ranging from 1310W/m^2 to 1420W/m^2 due to annual orbital variation. In fact the average ocean surface is coolest in December when the sunlight is near its peak. With the present atmospheric mass, the open ocean surface cannot sustain a temperature above 30C.
The idea that CO2 could have any direct impact on the surface energy balance is crackers.
If you walk outside and look up, you will inevitably see white stuff in the sky. That is ice. It reflects and disperses sunlight. You can see the white stuff get more lively once the surface temperature exceeds 15C. It get voluminous as deep convection kicks in. Once the surface temperature gets to 22C, you will see that the white stuff sometimes turns dark, grey and ominous. That means very little sunlight is reaching the surface. It is a self-regulating system of enormous power that humans cannot really comprehend.
Just look around you and see with your own eyes rather than believing contrived nonsense. Climate models cannot relate the formation of clouds to the surface temperature – their fundamental flaw among many other unphysical crap.
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Simon, you misunderstand the Gaia hypothesis.
It is not about feedback loops. Their existence is a scientific fact.
Gaia posits some sort of conscious decision making among earth biota and the planet system.
Science and reason don’t accept that non-human organisms or non-living components of the planet are capable of conscious coordination, planning or decision making to make the planet “work”.
The earth system operates according to the principles of natural selection and geophysical principles, not a pagan god Gaia.
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no it does not.
J. E. Lovelock (1972). “Gaia as seen through the atmosphere
Lovelock, J.E.; Margulis, L. (1974). “Atmospheric homeostasis by and for the biosphere: the Gaia hypothesis
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Maybe DM ate an insect that didn’t agree with him?
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‘Earth’s surface is maintained in a habitable state by self-regulating feedback mechanisms …’
That appears to be true, all the flora and fauna on the planet adapt to changing conditions or become extinct. Earth is in the habitable zone and we have a large moon, this is of momentous importance.
There are positive and negative feedback mechanisms, we have to clarify what is in play.
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Exactly my thoughts. If the Gaia has meaning, we are part of the brutal feedback loops which may include wiping out most of the members of a species leaving only those with the better adapted genes. It includes wiping out most species that have ever existed.
Flora and Fauna carry millions of years of junk DNA from times when the planet was much hotter and much colder than now. There is little peace in Gaia (ask the dinosaurs) but there is the near certainty that life will adapt.
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Sorry jo… but without an explanation this is a junk comment. Junk DNA is formed and ejected and moved and mutated all the time in a multitude of ways. It is no more from earlier times than coding (or otherwise active like structural sequences) DNA.
Also some of what was once termed “junk DNA” is not junk at all. This really hit the fan in a bunch of papers c2012.
This is an example – not intended as a lit review – as this sort of conclusion has been derived from scientists coming from different directions https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/our-cells-are-filled-with-junk-dna-heres-why-we-need-it.
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OK. So I’ll take out the word “junk” from my comment, it’s a trivial rabbit hole. My point stands. Do you want to discuss that?
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I can discuss that although I actually don’t get the DNA comment so sticking with the first paragraph.
Nothing in Gaia implies brutal feedback loops – an example would help. Lovelock’s Gaia is not a separate entity that imposes stasis at all costs (eg wiping out species) and it certainly does not suggest anything that supersedes the basic tenets of Darwinian evolution. Yes, most creatures that ever existed are dead and belonged to a now extinct species. Connecting that fact with Gaia in the way you have is a parody with no basis in the proposed idea of Gaia.
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Gee Aye, my point was only that we all carry a genetic toolbox equipped with an assortment of genes that all survived wild climatic variations. It is self evident that life on Earth would be better equipped to deal with weather on Earth than most Greens might think (since they seem to believe that the weather was perfect and stable before coal fired power plants started).
You sound like you know and have an interest in the Gaia theory that goes far beyond mine. I’ll defer to you, but unless the Gaia idea has some protecting mechanism to keep humans happy I don’t see how it can avoid “brutal feedback loops”. See the black plague, Toba, Asteroids, Dinosaurs etc. Nature is brutal. Is Gaia above that?
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The Platypus has has a geological record spanning 110 million years, back to the time of Gondwana. But their range is determined by a fairly narrow range of environmental parameters, which effectively limited them to the eastern Australian remanent portion of that super continent. Thus a change in those environmental parameters could prove to be disastrous to this species. They have ‘junk’ DNA, but it would not help them
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If it had brutal feedback loops they would be observed. Again, an example would help.
I’m no Gaia expert or fan but I’ve read enough to understand it. It is an idea that provides one way of viewing what happens around us and if it assists with thinking about consequences and limits which is a good thing.
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Looking outside the aquarium, it is obvious that the Earth is a self functioning, self regulating tiny quantum.
Probably inseparable from its’ perceived parts.
The perceived parts are incapable of deciding the outcome, are even perceiving the mechanics.
Probably the reason for quantum weirdness.
Krishna spends the whole book trying to get Arjuna to grok this basic fact.
🙂
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dang, accidently clicked post before completing editing -‘are’ should be or
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Also, thanks … returning to my Woodstock flashbacks now.
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Was Nancy there?
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Oh wait, that Italian girl from Baltimore, down by the pond? … uh oh!
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Everything is in equilibrium on a scale such that our puny output is of no consequence. All our CO2 goes rapidly into the vast oceans, which is easily proven. That is not debatable.
And humans are quite irrelevant, in medical terms a recent and minor rash on the surface. Fungi are more important. Bacteria. Grass.
Have you ever been in an aircraft and looked down? We don’t exist over 99% of the planet and in live only in the first two metres of air. Now we are supposed to control the planet? And the leader of the US congress says they control Mother Earth by raising taxes on 1/20th of the world’s population?
Man made Climate is not true, not any of it. And the Great Barrier reef existed through many ice ages and our chance of changing something 2500km long and 250km wide is zero. And I never understood what it had to do with Climate Change or Global Warming? Local sea warming is obviously not Global Warming, just an oscillation.
And even the atom bomb is not a planetary threat. Just a threat to local human existence, but one which has kept the world at relative peace since WWII. Which is why the Chinese Army has been developing bioweapons in a French supplied laboratory with American funding through Dr. Fauci, properly laundered.
Nothing on the scale of an existential threat to mankind is man made apart from the Wuhan Flu, which is denied by the Chinese Communist Party and the Democrats and Dr. Fauci and Tedros Adhonom who officially declared it was not infectious in January 2020. So who needs the UN/WHO/IPCC? And Pelosi said closing the doors to infected Chinese was Xenophobia. Now that’s real denial.
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Simon is very good at ID-10-T.
Can or cannot see the trees in the forest.
Gaia not withstanding.
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A “complex, self-regulating system” is not a sentient, emotional person.
As soon as you talk about “Gaia” getting “angry” you have abandoned away from science and jumped with both feet into the pagan cult of earth-goddess worship.
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Yep, the world prior to mankind was like a scene from a Bambi movie. All lovely and in balance, the climate benign and forgiving. If only us humans would stop disrupting it.
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So why don’t you guys who believe so strongly in these things set the example, stop procreating and remove yourselves from the cycle to do you bit to lower the poisonous gas levels and exploitation of “Dear Mother Earth” – that will be win-win-win. Win for you, win for Gaia, and a consolation prize for us evil b@stards as well.
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“Earth’s surface is maintained in a habitable state “
Over the past 100 or so years, Earth’s has become FAR MORE HABITABLE for humans.
Every single piece of data proves that to be the case. Life expectancy, quality of life, etc, etc , etc
Thank coal, gas, oil for that. !
Take away gas, coal, oil, and watch the quality of life slowly diminishes.
(or quickly if Biden et al have their way)
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Verbal diahgression.
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Yep, the scales of the problem requires much much more than the voodoo policymakers are offering.
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PF see my questions for you above. And never forget that Dr Hansen thinks that reducing co2 levels back to 350 ppm or 70 ppm less than the 420 ppm today would fix your so called problem.
Oh and that’s a reduction of 7 thousandths of one percent of the atmosphere, or 0.007%.
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Not even the 911 shutdown or the 2020-21-22 Covid go slow has made any discernable dent in the CO2 graph, which suggests to one that we are responsible for very little input, despite what the ex-spurts tell us.
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Neville, He/she/It P.F. will never take part in a serious debate. Substantial argument scares the ship out of him and any others.
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and those photons intercepted? how much of the atmosphere are they?
next you will be telling me that vitamin d (as an example) is inconsequential in the health of the human body, given that you only need a few milligrams of it
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LOL, Again trying to draw nonsense analogies, based on total lack of understanding.
You know that more CO2 is needed for full plant sustainability, and that it has no other effect except enhancing plant growth.
You have been shown many times that the slight increase in absorption in the CO2 spectrum is easily balanced by the increase in the atmospheric window..
There is no energy trapped by an increase in atmospheric CO2.. PERIOD !
And Hansen has been proved monumentally WRONG on basically every “climate prediction” he ever made.
His zero increase in atmospheric CO2 is what the global temperature is following, again showing that CO2 has zero measurable warming effect.
CO2 warming is all just fantasy fairy-tale NONSENSE.
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Peter Fitzoy:
Look at the IR absorption of water vapour and compare it with CO2. Then consider that there is around 30,000 p.p.m. of water vapour in the tropical zone -where there is most incoming sunlight- compared with 420 p.p.m. of CO2.
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“scales of the problem” ?
The problem with human CO2 forced “climate change” is that its not even real !
The real problem is that many people are dumb enough to “believe” it, and the stupidity of their actions to combat this non-existent problem are causing major REAL PROBLEMS around the world.
The world needs to drop all this net-zero and all the other “climate” nonsense, and start being productive again.
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World’s top climate scientists told to ‘cover up’ the fact that the Earth’s temperature hasn’t risen for the last 15 years
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2425775/Climate-scientists-told-cover-fact-Earths-temperature-risen-15-years.html
2013 – almost a decade ago now and…climate activists waving banners…
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“voodoo policymakers”
Yes.. finally you realise that all this Net-Zero nonsense is just voodoo policy.
Matches the whole AGW meme… its all just voodoo!
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So PF we know that the increase in co2 emissions since 1970 or 1990 comes from China, India and other developing countries and here’s the data.
AGAIN tell us how do you stop China, India and poorer countries from building new coal fired power stations?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions#/media/File:World_fossil_carbon_dioxide_emissions_six_top_countries_and_confederations.png
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We don’t have a problem.
https://judithcurry.com/2022/08/15/the-sun-climate-effect-the-winter-gatekeeper-hypothesis-iii-meridional-transport/
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“The problem”? What problem? How big is it? Where can you see this problem? Who has it? What scale? And how urgent is it after 34 years of Armageddon tired of this.
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““The problem”?…. What problem?… How big is it?… Where can you see this problem?… Who has it?”
No-one seems to be able to answer that question, and back it up with anything resembling rational thought or real science.
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Well then PF will you at least tell us how to fix your so called problem? BUT first tell us what you’re so worried about?
Then explain why everything is so much better today for Humans and what’s so terrible about our GREENING planet?
AGAIN here’s the full story from Dr Rosling and only takes about 5 minutes of your time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbkSRLYSojo
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AGW “believers” are scared of the Big Bad Wolf, the Gingerbread house, the Easter Bunny, and the boogie man in the shadows under their bed…
… and all the other little things the Bros Grimm dreamt up.
And they still have to INVENT other fantasy “problems” to sate their need to be scared of something.
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They seem to be friends with ‘Chicken Little’.
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This guy is a tosser. Infant death rate has big effect on age expectancy. It rose for even poor nations because of technology developed in rich nations. The best example of a trickle down effect but this “academic” can’t see it.
My Dad was never rich. Almost starved to death, numerous times, at the end and after the war in Europe. Ate nothing but weed stew for a few years. Did better for himself in later life, but never rich enough to hire people to make his life easier. Did a lot of work that could shorten life expectancy and his health is not good. Public hospitals fixed his bowel cancer and prostate. The former almost killed him because the rich do get the better surgeons. Made to 84 and still kicking.
Now what is the life expectancy in Sri Lanka after abandoning the technology that trickled down to them?
Well led countries allow wealth to accumulate, technology to develop and life expectancy to rise. There is very little correlation between being rich and living longer. Pastimes are bigger killers than dangerous jobs or slightly poorer health services.
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Compared to the atmosphere, the oceans holds the most CO2. And CO2 is released from water as it is warmed, the release continuing until an equilibrium point is reached with the atmosphere. For example, CO2 will always bubble out raising the levels in the atmosphere until the same volume that bubbles out matches the same volume that is reabsorbed.
So, if someone wants to lower the level of CO2 in the atmosphere shouldn’t they be looking at lowering the water temperature as the ONLY working solution?
So how do you lower water temperature? You could make clouds to cover the oceans. You could mix the hotter surface waters with the deeper cold waters. You could float large reflective mats over the ocean to stop the sunlight getting at the surface.
Clouds visibly do this task. And if you watch the El Nino/La Nina temperature maps you’ll see the process is underway. And guess what, they are both natural feedback mechanisms and they work a treat. All on their own. No tax dollars required.
So why does the government want to always get into your wallet? Is it because they are dependent on BEING a government and to do that, they need your money? Lots of it, regardless of the cost.
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“You could make clouds to cover the oceans.”
Which is exactly what “Mother Earth” does over the Tropics.
Keeping the max ocean temperature below 30-32C despite this being the region that receives the most solar energy.
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You break off big lumps of ice from the poles and float it in the oceans, oh wait.
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LOL. Mother Earth’s many Volcanoes will unfix that piece of legislation.
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The Albo, Bowen donkeys etc have now told us that we must take action on so called climate change by building more solar and wind. But how could that make any difference?
The CSIRO tell us that the entire SH is already a co2 NET SINK, so we’ll obviously fix nothing and WASTE endless BILLIONS $ for that ZERO return.
And the TOXIC POLLUTION from burying the ONGOING mess in landfill every 20 years should make us stop and THINK.
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Neville, you need to stop talking about that CSIRO quote – very soon someone will delete it from their website. We cant confuse all the little kiddies doing their Climate Change projects, can we?
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“Will human sacrifices be next?“.
Pretty sure that phase has already started.
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Pelosi been watching Ghostbusters.. again?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3ZOKDmorj0
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The dream of every government is to tax the air you breathe. And they have done it.
Who cares if the explanation is insane?
Big government needs big incomes.
From local councils to State governments to Federal, increased taxation is just opportunism. And the mother of them all, the UN has to pay their 40,000 people well and a forum to prevent world war, famine and pestilence is now pushing all three and demanding more cash. In the name of saving the planet. The people are the problem.
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In the ’60’s my father once told me, ‘the govt will find a way to tax the air you breathe’, I was a doubter then, but no more.
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LOL! Nice one Nancy. Sometimes they just walk straight into it.
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It seems China will not continue to bargain with the USA or the world on climate change mitigation unless they turn their back on Taiwan.
And that clueless Kerry donkey is their/our chief negotiator and yapper. What could go wrong?
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/08/15/china-demand-respect-the-one-china-policy-to-restore-climate-talks/
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Don’t give Leftists challenges of this kind, they take it seriously.
In any case, too late.
People are already dying of energy poverty both in the West and in the Third World due to anti-energy policies.
Even the Far Left Guardian newspaper admits this.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/27/dying-cold-europe-fuel-poverty-energy-spending
SEE LINK FOR REST
Not much different to the Aztecs and other primitive and pagan peoples, really who also tried to appease the climate gods with human sacrifice.
And how many people did the Left sacrifice because of forcing the use of dangerous, ineffective and poorly tested covid “vaccines” and the banning of cheap, safe antivirals?
How many millions of humans have been sacrificed by the National Socialists and International Socialists?
Human sacrifice is already a thing with these people.
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“Thousands of people in the UK are dying from the cold, and fuel poverty is to blame.”
Owen Jones
This article is from Feb 2020, can anyone imagine the excess deaths this coming European winter from energy poverty.
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So can any of our anti-science blog donkeys seriously challenge Willis Eschenbach’s essay, listing all the so called problems of their so called climate change?
But Willis doesn’t mention their so called HOT SPOT, but of course it doesn’t exist.
So tell us what Willis has failed to observe properly and then tell us why he’s wrong?
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/04/25/wheres-the-emergency/
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Mother Earth has had too long managing the weather. It’s time for Father Earth to take charge and throw that pest Pelosi out on her ear.
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Here’s a very accurate comment at the Andrew Bolt link to Dr Finkel’s truthful answer in the Senate about our Aussie co2 emissions.See link below.
“Bolt Report. Australia’s chief scientists Alan Finkel knows Australia’s contribution to global emissions is nothing (1.3%) and stopping it would make no difference. But still wants us to spend billions to “save climate”. These leftist ideologues are insane & diabolical. They will kill the economy & your job if you let them”.
“Great global warming religion of anti-humans leftists”.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJY8xKknpms
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AGAIN here’s their Biden Donkey telling us we’ve reached a climate CRISIS, even an EXISTENTIAL threat to Humans on our planet?
But the DATA proves that he is 100% wrong. We’ve increased our population by about 6.9 billion in just the last 200 years and we’re all healthier and wealthier today. See UN data.
Life expectancy was under 40 yrs in 1800 and about 73 years today. And FOSSIL FUELS still generate 80 % + of our TOTAL global energy today. THINK about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wXe-GanTh0
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This is yet another example of Left regressing our civilisation to more primitive times, in this particular case of pagan worship (Gaia) and human sacrifice (due to energy poverty) to appease the weather gods.
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We are getting into dangerous territory when the ruling nutjobs think they speak to god.
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Indeed we are getting into dangerous territory.
The Left think they can communicate with the pagan deity of Gaia and sacrifice people via death by energy poverty and related starvation due to the war against agriculture.
They are getting crazier and crazier.
And yet the majority of the Sheeple still don’t get it.
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I do believe it’s actually the big red guy with the pitchfork “down there” that they worship.
It’s all BS to me anyway but they seem to like it. 😈
Gaia theory is one thing but don’t forget too that panpsychism is getting a lot of attention in scientific circles with some big names behind it.
“We only understand what our current level of scientific advancement allows us to.”
– JC II
There are things that physics just doesn’t explain. I know of 3 and have experienced one. No, I won’t be posting it either as it’d be troll bait.
I read a lengthy article the other day on advances in the understanding of consciousness which only reinforced my position. A topic for another day, but the transhumanist/AI agenda has got it wrong.😉
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>”The Democrats are the new Religious Caste”
The Party of
SciencePaganism80
James Lovelock and the former Mrs Carl Sagan, Lynne Margulis, are the pair of dreamers who resurrected the Greek Goddess Gaia, and put her way up on a pedestal.
I hope the Demon- crats take their Gaia theory to the 2024 polls, it should get interesting.
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We first have to organise our solar theory and then go on the attack, we can’t lose. The climate wars would erupt around the world.
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Democrats’ Inflation Reduction Act diminishes prospects for human progress
The Biden beeline for ‘degrowth’
“Hope is contagious,” optimists are fond of reminding. So is doubt, unfortunately. The Democratic Party’s so-called Inflation Reduction Act, supposedly packed with smart policy remedies for an ailing nation, is the work of doubters bent on extinguishing the material progress that has made America exceptional. It serves the aims of the “degrowth” movement, which is to reduce the imprint of human progress upon the globe.
By rejiggering tax policy to subsidize solar and wind while punishing natural gas, oil and coal, the new bill allocates $375 billion over a decade to spark a rapid shift to renewables. Ominously, the move threatens to leave the nation with a dangerous energy deficiency and global-warming mitigation measurable in mere thousandths of a degree.
The Inflation Reduction Act fits hand-in-glove with both the Democrats’ compulsion to ride herd over freedom-loving Americans and the environmental movement’s preference for nature over human beings. It sets the nation on a perilous course toward energy poverty and subsistence existence.
Intentionally or not, Mr. Biden is moving in tandem with his party’s embrace of the view that modernity has reached its zenith and, sadly, must now make a beeline for degrowth. It is both anti-American and anti-human.
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European ‘Hunger Stones’ Blow Up Key Climate Narrative
Almost two-thirds of Europe is having what used to be known as a brutal summer, before climate hysterics rebranded the weather, and the latest panic is the re-emergence of grim Hunger Stones from ancient riverbeds gone dry.
The heat wave combined with the drought currently tormenting the continent truly is miserable. High temperatures are overwhelming Europeans, crops are shriveling, and rivers are drying up. The diminished waterways are crippling crop irrigation, supply chains, and even the capacity to cool nuclear power plants. But the drying riverbeds have also yielded something else: proof that such things have happened before there were tailpipes or cow burps to blame.
The Hunger Stones of Europe are sub-aquatic cousins of high water markers. During historically severe droughts, local chroniclers would chisel marks and messages into large stones that were only seen roughly once a generation. Some of the low-water markings also included laments of the human tragedy that accompanies drought, notably starvation.
Dutch journalist Olaf Koens tweeted images of the ominous boulders newly re-emerged from the depths of Europe’s busy waterways:
If your Dutch is rusty, the internet says he wrote:
Horrible. Due to the drought in European rivers, Hunger Stones are surfacing. Macabre warnings from our 15th century ancestors about famine.
‘When you see me, cry’
At least Koens had the sense not to write, “Due to climate change…” Because unless his 15th-century ancestors had scuba gear and a weird sense of humor, those bodacious boulders were high and dry centuries before global cooling global warming man-made climate change was ever thought of.
A group of Czech researchers relied on Hunger Stones for some of the data that went into their 2013 report, Droughts in the Czech Lands, 1090–2012 AD. They described the stones and listed the previous drought years they commemorate:
A tree-ring study printed in Science Advances, a journal published by the American Association for the Advancement of Science, confirmed that “megadroughts” used to be more common before the evil Industrial Revolution kicked off all of that cursed First World tech:
In addition, megadroughts reconstructed over north-central Europe in the 11th and mid-15th centuries reinforce other evidence from North America and Asia that droughts were more severe, extensive, and prolonged over Northern Hemisphere land areas before the 20th century, with an inadequate understanding of their causes.
What I am saying is that this drought may not be because of anything we did; at most, we’ve had only a fraction of a fraction of an infinitesimally small effect on the climate. Droughts have happened before and they’ll happen again. Meanwhile, if all the do-gooders who run the global deciding apparatus truly want the best for humanity, then this is not the time to shut down reliable, cost-effective energy generation, or ban farmers from using the fertilizer that actually works, or force the bloody destruction of hundreds of thousands of livestock. Famine and want are already looming over too many vulnerable people; why in the name of G@d would you make it worse?
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If mother Earth is getting angry then she should start purging the worthless health experts and pollies first.
How about a massive lightning storm over every parliament house like that one in DC? 😅
“Getting that third dose is protection against severe illness, but also protection against getting infected in the first place.”
– Brett Sutton
Or:
“Um, despite two, three, four doses of the vaccine, ah, it’s not so good at preventing infection in the first place. So we are getting infected, that’s why we’ve had tens of thousands of cases in this wave.”
Go tell it to Bourla. 😅😅
Um, despite two, three, four shots at fixing CO2 we’re now all starving and worse off than ever…
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Brett Sutton, Greg Hunt, Chant, Kelly, Murpy they’re all in the same club. Void of humility and unable to update the science quickly as its progresses. The latter being quite easy, because you can look at what is happening in the northern hemisphere to anticipate what will be happening in Australia very soon. Soon as the COVID vaccine program was underway in the US and the UK, alongside significant community infection (unlike Australia), there were “breakthrough cases” and still deaths. Right there was the signal for some real vaccine hesitancy. Yet, they still made these ridiculous absolute statements which included the words “safe and effective”.
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Can science be ‘updated’ after it’s settled?
If science is being followed and you notice the upcoming cliff, do you still keep following?
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Have the fourth jab and you’ll never be sick again… ever.
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Accidental red, sorry 🙁
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Alcohol stops for nobody….
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― Harry Truman
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Dysfunctional does not even begin to describe the US political system.
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Biden – Harris – Pelosi
How’s that make you feel?
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If Mother Earth cares as much about people as Nancy Pelosi, we are all in big trouble.
She has just sent another team to Taiwan to keep poking the Tiger.
And will keep this up until she gets a response and upset the coming election when she will be tossed out
as speaker and leader of Congress.
China is now in fully excited mode and will keep up live weapons practice around Taiwan forever.
But that is hardly good enough for Pelosi. She needs war.
Because at 82 she cannot get another job.
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I think she is prepared to start a war to draw attention away from her husband’s DUI case.
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“She has just sent another team to Taiwan to keep poking the Tiger.” Same they did with Russia in Ukraine – much better to have people’s attention diverted far offshore and that military industrial complex need a few events where their produce can be used – they don’t help you for nothing to sink presidents.
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I think a lot of the CCCCCP OTT carry on about Taiwan is purely for domestic consumption, they have massive problems at home, compounded by Cov19, drought and heatwaves, so a bit of distraction helps calm the populace of 1.4 billion, imagine if they got organised and loose.
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Nations don’t start wars because of “provocation”.
They start wars because they thing war will get them what they want at an acceptable cost.
The more China thinks Taiwan will cost, the less likely they are to have a crack.
There is no safe option, but some are safer than others. The more you let a bully think that scaring you works, the more he will do it.
You let him get away with one thing…. he will start thinking about what he can get away with next.
Pelosi is shit, but even a blind pig finds the odd acorn.
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Yes, they do. The Chinese and Japanese are different, especially the Japanese. Very different culture and different psychology. This was very important in WWII. The concept of honour and the concept of ‘face’ is critical. You cannot allow yourself to be publicly humiliated. That is why provocation works because the cost of losing face has to be considered.
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The Left have replaced the traditional Judeo-Christian religion of the West with pagan worship of the earth goddess diety and are quite prepared to conduct human sacrifice to appease said diety such as death from energy poverty or death from starvation due to the increasing war against modern agricultural methods including what the Left call “nitrogen” (sic) (meaning nitrogenous fertilisers).
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Deity!
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Though diety might be appropriate with starvation looming, thanks to the gaia worshippers.
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Marc Morano asks if human sacrifice is next? He must have missed the debate about the striking down of Roe vs Wade.
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A Brilliant Article
Green No Deal
Welcome back to the Scuttlebutt. No, the title isn’t a misprint or editorial mistake.
Let’s talk about the “green” movement today.
So, that big front-end loader pictured above is a piece of mining equipment. It’s used to dig up the raw ore in open pit mines and take it to a dump truck which then takes it to the refinery/smelter (sometimes on-site, sometimes on the other end of the country. It depends on how big the mine is.)
The dump truck called a “Mining Machine” gets .3 MPG. The rig above burns 900-1000 gal of diesel in a 12-hour shift, figure the Mining Machine at maybe 20% of that, after all, it’s not running all the time, so that’s another 200 gal.
Then there’s the energy required to remove what mining engineers call “overburden.” That’s the shit that is in the way and must be removed to get to the ore. Industry-standard calculations for this are 3-20 tons (depending on where you are mining) of overburden for every ton of ore.
Let’s be charitable here and assume ONLY 3 tons. That means you’re burning the amount of fuel it takes to dig up 4 tons of stuff for every ton of ore, and every ton of ore gives you about .5% of the stuff needed to make one car battery for a Tesla. Industry figures show that for the lithium, cobalt, nickel, graphite, and copper together to make ONE Tesla battery, you’re moving and refining 45 tons of ore. https://www.manhattan-institute.org/mines-minerals-and-green-energy-reality-check This doesn’t count the overburden.
Oh, and by the way, NO ONE has come up with an electric version of these machines, the tech isn’t there. If it was, the energy to build one would be beyond belief. In short, it’s a reasonable assumption that your Tesla battery cost about 100 barrels of oil to make. (this is probably lowballed)
The rest is superb – Read and Enjoy
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I like it Old Ozzie, though I am not sure of some of the numbers.
He says ” There were 2,764,911,700 vehicles registered in the US that year.” which would be about 8 vehicles for every man women child and baby. It just seems a bit high… Not that it wipes out his argument. But probably the % of electric cars is higher than 0.02%. I like to check the numbers…
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From that link: There were 2,764,911,700 vehicles registered in the US that year. (billion) B? (2019)
I’ll guess there is an extra Zero attached.
276,491,170 (million)
That makes this
“So, .02% (.0002630789 if you want to be precise) ” There is an extra zero there, also.
For 2022, the US is up to about 300 Million total.
The EV market share is running at about 2.5%, so EVs are slowly increasing percentage wise.
Average age of autos is 12.1 years.
I can’t find a chart showing how many are on the far side of 12.1, but I don’t expect batteries to last that long. What are they going to do with those EVs then?
There needs to be a replacement program, but that likely won’t happen unless there is an 85% reduction in the cost of a battery.
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Thanks John. Makes sense.
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Ireland to officially promote CC propaganda:-
https://dailysceptic.org/2022/08/16/ireland-to-pass-new-media-law-pushing-climate-propaganda/
Ireland, like Canada, Sweden, and New Zealand, is a favourite petri dish for the globalists.
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REALIST… 10.
Climate worrier… ZERO
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/08/16/the-koonin-dessler-debate/
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Pelosi claims to be Catholic. In Christianity, Gaia and any other forms of pagan worship are a sin. Idolatry was the main sin of Ancient Israel, too, according to the Bible. The Pope might have something to say to that…oh wait…
Another issue is that Peleosi is advocating the mixing of religion belief with Government policy, and thereby giving a particular religious belief the power of government enforcement over non believers of that particular religion. This violates the principle of Freedom of Religion enshrined in America’s founding and also held in most other parts of the world. This is exactly the kind of thing that made the Dark Ages so dark.
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So true…
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It is perhaps better to classify Climate Change as a modern religion than a cult or animism. Then it does change what laws are relevant to the practice and promulgation of Climate Change, especially by the speaker of the Congress in her official role.
This is addressed in the Constitution
“First Amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
And funding Climate Change in the Inflation Reduction Act is then unconsitutional enshrining and funding Climate Change as a state religion. It sure isn’t fact based and people can believe in it if they like, but you cannot tax all Americans just because one party worships Gaia.
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I would love to hear what the Supreme Court had to say about Climate Change as a religion. And that makes Windmills, demonstrably near useless things, nothing more than religious structures and only the followers of the Climate Change religion want them. All Federal subsidies to electric cars and windmills and solar panels should stop as illegal state sponsorship of the Climate Change religion.
But it makes sense. Gina McCarthy, adviser to the White House is no scientist. She is an anthropologist, perfectly qualified as a priestess then. Similarly Al Gore and so many like Tim Flannery. Not a scientist among them. True believers in a state sponsored religion. How else could Tim Flannery who knows no science or meteorology qualify as Chief Climate Scientist for Australia?
And the Climate Change religion has impacts on so many aspects of modern life, like the attempt to shut down Dutch Farmers for producing food. Because they are breaking the rules of Climate Change religion, as interpreted by the High Priests of Brussels.
Yes, the Republicans need to seek the repeal of the Inflation Reduction Act because it is unconstitutional, transparently about a religion and not about reducing inflation by printing $700Billion. Only an act of blind Climate Change faith would make that logical.
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And talking of the religion of Climate Change, now that the Great Barrier Reef is the healthiest it has been in recorded history, could Mrs Turnbull and her friends please return the $444Million gifted by her husband before he lost his job as Prime Minister. It is still our money and there is absolutely no need to ‘save’ the Great Barrier Reef. And we could build some hospitals or a dam or start on a new power station while the Turnbulls donate their own money to the church of Climate Change.
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If the government passed an official law which collected a mandatory tithe on behalf of a conventional religion, be it Christianity, Buddhism, Hindu, Shinto, Islam, Judaism… and to support their clergy, the people would not stand for it. The ACLU, and others, would be filing law suites with in hours.
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And it would be unconstitutional.
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The once-sainted James Lovelock, author of the Gaia Hypothesis, fell (or was pushed) from his pedastal after telling Brits they should be going mad for fracking (to solve the energy shortage). Guardianistas would hardly mention him after that.
About 10 years ago, while househunting, I discovered that his house in Devon, England was for sale. The reason? He was moving to Colorado. Why? Because that part of Devon is too cold and wet in winter, and it was costing him too much to heat it (and that was 10 years ago). Again, not mentioned by Guardianistas.
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Pelosi has early on-stage dementia. Explains her actions over the last 3 months. America is in real trouble when 2 out of the top 3 people in charge has dementia.
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“Pelosi has early on-stage dementia.”
It only occurs while she is in front of a crowd then. ?
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Two out of three? You mean, Kamala doesn’t have early-onset Alzheimers?
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Kamala is “in-line” but not at the moment part of the top decision makers. Susan Rice is important, and for the time being Chuck Schumer.
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Doing a little research, it appears that about half of US presidents since 1776 had cognitive decline.
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Long Time,
I left this over at Watts. I thought you might like to have a go at it.
Greenhouse gas theory is self refuting. Here is why. ====>
Water vapor is the #1 Greenhouse gas. It does 3/4s of the heating according to GHG theory.
If you can believe the theory.
If the theory is correct water vapor alone will destroy the planet.
In the original discussion they slid by the thought that 1 molecule of water vapor would cause the evaporation of 3 more. It was a con from the get go.
I’m surprised no one involved remembers that. I do. The con was that water vapor is not persistent, it condenses. But integration is integration. You can integrate fluctuations.
I do not believe the codes ‘proving’ the theory have ever been released.
That is not science.
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Interesting that the #1 and #3 in charge of the USA has early onset Alzheimers. Oh well, it’s what we deserve, when we elect half-mummified individuals to the top office (this includes Australia).
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