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176 comments to Sunday Open Thread

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    John Hultquist

    Seems there has been a lull in news. I just looked at several sites
    and there is nothing exciting. Is that good or bad?

    Oh well, good morning, Y’all.

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      Jojodogfacedboy

      Probably hiding this as Trudeauland, Canada get nice new taxes coming to residential Realestate to a 26 % with buyer and seller.

      https://www.greaterfool.ca/2022/05/06/the-big-shed-2/

      No doubt many other countries will be drooling at all this juicy tax bucks.

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        Ian

        “Maybe this interesting ocean study will brighten up your Sunday ”

        Good that you recommend to others an article from the journal Nature, a journal you recently dismissed as a rag when it published a view with which you did not agree.

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          b.nice

          I said it was an interesting article…

          When it come to climate issues.. it is a rag.

          But you knew that.

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          b.nice

          And what is interesting it is backed by actual study of the creatures involved…. not baseless models.

          Nature mag, sometimes has interesting articles.. when they are based on actual science.

          “Nature Climate Change” is inherently pure propaganda.

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          el+gordo

          We should accept the fact that 95% of the smoke from the Australian bushfires ended up in the Southern Ocean.

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        Hanrahan

        I leave the science of this debate to others more expert than I, but I can’t help but wonder:

        In the Devonian Period 358.9 million years ago, just before the Carboniferous Period, all the CO2 now sequestered in the coal/oil deposits must have been in the atmosphere for the trees to absorb. So how many ppm CO2 was in the atmosphere then and [assuming it was much higher than 400ppm] why did’t the world have runaway warming?

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      max

      Happy Mother’s Day

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      John Connor II

      LOL. 😉

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    RicDre

    Here in Northeastern Ohio, USA, it has finally stopped raining; the forecast is for 5 whole days of sunny weather and temps in the mid 70’sF (20’s c). This may not have been the coolest and wettest spring on record, but it will do until something better (worse?) comes along.

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      Deano

      Examples like this are frequent and widespread and we’re not supposed to notice.

      By the way, every time I look up some famous person in USA it turns out they were born in Ohio. Take a bow!

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    Rick C

    A Safe Climate?

    I keep hearing the climate alarmists saying decarbonization is urgently required to maintain a safe climate. When and where has there ever been a safe climate? There is no place on earth that a human can live without being in danger of being killed by the weather. Without adequate clothing and shelter most people would succumb to cold within days anywhere but the tropics. Then there are storms that can endanger people through high winds (tornadoes, hurricanes) and floods. Droughts can dry up water sources and destroy food production leading to mass starvation. If you’re really unlucky you might even get hit by lightning. Mother Nature isn’t always the gentle loving entity that is presented in kid’s cartoons, she is often a stone cold, sociopathic, mass murderer.

    The fact is earth’s climate has never been safe. Nothing that we puny humans can do will ever change that. What we can do and have done very successfully is protect ourselves from weather’s dangers. We do this by building strong and effective shelters complete with systems and equipment to regulate the temperature. We create and wear a wide range of clothing to keep us warm in the cold and cool in the heat. We build elaborate systems to obtain and protect clean water. We farm vast tracts of land over a wide area to assure reliable food supplies even when some areas experience losses due to droughts or floods. We build dams and levees to protect from floods (although some still build in flood plains). We have developed the technology to predict when and where dangerous weather will occur to provide advance warning and allow people to seek shelter.

    Our success in protecting our selves from the wrath and ravages of weather (or climate if you prefer) is evident in the huge reduction in the number of casualties attributed to weather events over the last 100 years. We are safer now from weather as a species than we have ever been. How was this accomplished? Wealth, industrialization and low cost reliable fossil fuel based energy. The only weather related catastrophe we are likely to face in the future is one that will occur if we destroy our access to reliable low cost and abundant energy.

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      Old Moss

      Have the climate doctors yet defined the climate they want? How should we recognise the desired climate in the event that we had it? Is their climate at all cyclic, or does it exist in a state of constant stasis? Are our governments really spending billions to mitigate climate ailments without any audit of effective progress? Where have the climate ‘modellers’ defined the difference between the climate they desire and the climate they live in? If the past is still cooling can we expect it warm again?

      The climate doctors desire a climate, yet we don’t know what it is or how to distinguish it from the climate we have got.

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        Pauly

        Not only have climate scientists never defined the “ideal” climate, the IPCC has never stated the ideal average global temperature nor the year it supposedly occurred. In other words, there is no scientific basis from which their declared 2 degC increase is meant to start from!

        The IPCC lives in the world of temperature “anomalies” to hide this fact. But it becomes obvious when you focus on actual temperatures. The international aviation community established the concepts of the standard day and the standard atmosphere starting in 1925:
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_day?wprov=sfti1

        The standard day surface temperature was set to 15 degC, and there it has remained ever since. Despite a claimed century of warming since then, our current global average surface temperature is 14.8 degC. Perhaps this explains why so few meteorologists agree with global warming theory?

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          Ronin

          My take on this ‘climate’ scam is that the elite have decided at their various global meetings attended by private jets, that we the civilised West are consuming too much and this will have to be curtailed by any means available, so all reliable means of generating power will be shut down and replaced by whatever is available, no matter if it doesn’t work, so much the better, then hydrocarbon usage in private motoring, transport, shipping, air travel, all to be reeled in drastically, this why small emitters like Australia are being demonised and huge emitters like China and India are being ignored.
          This won’t end well.

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        KP

        Ah, there was a period a few decades back when every way for a girl to lose her virginity was WRONG! The men were all pedos/beasts/rapists/lounge lizards.. blah blah blah.

        This went on for quite some time without any woman in the media actually defining what a ‘good’ way to start sex was, they obviously didn’t know or care, but by God they knew what the wrong way was!

        I figure global warming has this religious streak, there is no right way, but we know all the wrong ways.

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          Deano

          It’s similar in that the subject causes people to squirm uncomfortably in case they say something the wrong way. It’s no way to discuss an important subject.

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      Honk R Smith

      I share your frustration.
      I think one problem is that the age of scientific enlightenment, such as it was, has passed.
      Science of course, will continue.
      Though it appears to me that many committed to discovery, are having to ‘go underground’ within establishment institutions if they wish to operate.
      Having anti-doctrine thoughts or results can be a threat to your career.
      The debate about climate has been lost by those with knowledge of science.
      It has been won by those with knowledge of politics.
      (Whenever Anthony Fauci utters the word ‘science’, just replace it with ‘politics’, and truth will be revealed.)

      So perhaps we need to ask ourselves, if we were to be magically transported to a 15th century Medieval village, how would we go about convincing the populace that witches do not exist?
      This is where we are.
      I wish us luck.
      Facts aren’t helping.

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        Ronin

        ‘Science’ has been politicised to the point where consensus and ‘the vibe’ rules the day, not raw debated scientific research.

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      Robber

      A “Safe Climate”
      Inside an airconditioned room that is maintained at 18C year round.
      Singapore 20-36C with rain on 50% of days.
      New York -3-30C
      Montreal -10-26C
      NY and Montreal both look fine “on average”.

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    PeterS

    The Ministry of Truth is Deeply Sinister and Orwellian

    It is no secret that other nations see the president of the United States as a joke. In this video, Australian reporters are shocked that Biden openly laughed at a joke about record-high inflation. He is literally laughing AT you — the Great Unwashed. Sky News host Rita Panahi said The Ministry of Truth is “deeply sinister and Orwellian.” The corruption and tyranny have become so blatant that it is almost laughable — almost.

    On April 25, 2022 – Twitter accepted Musk’s offer and two days later Biden took the same step as Hitler in establishing his ‘Disinformation Governance Board’ to fight ‘misinformation’ (a la George Orwell’s “Ministry of Truth”). Biden is clearly out to obstruct Musk and free speech.

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    PeterS

    An Important German Documentary on Ukraine

    This is a MUST-watch Documentary from a German journalist who was on the ground back in 2015 showing how this Ukrainian Civil War began. It is important to see the other side of events for anyone who only listens to one side, is denied the very idea of free thought.

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      Kim

      Gee-Whiz charts – will avoid.

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      Ian

      It is important to see the other side of events for anyone who only listens to one side, is denied the very idea of free thought.”

      What a very apt comment. Unfortunately, as is apparent from a quick scan of the comments on any blog with a defined stance on a particular topic, the readers of that blog rarely want to read material that does not agree with their personal views.

      For example, most comments on Skeptical Science support the view that humans cause climate change. Most comments here support the opposing view. Comments here also support articles with a right-wing view, as do comments in the Australian while commenters to the Guardian support articles with a left-wing view.

      I wonder if your comment will affect the tenor of the comments here.

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        b.nice

        “humans cause climate change”

        Yet you and your fellow leftists are still totally unable to produce any evidence of even the most basic tenet of the climate change farce.

        SKS is totally bereft of actual evidence…its all just “belief”

        Sad you are unable to tell the difference.

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          Ian

          b.nice it is amazing how frequently and how comprehensively you miss the point. You write

          Yet you and your fellow leftists are still totally unable to produce any evidence of even the most basic tenet of the climate change farce.

          The point of my comment was the quote from comment 6 sent in by PeterS.

          “It is important to see the other side of events for anyone who only listens to one side, is denied the very idea of free thought.””

          What It most certainly was not about was whether humans do or don’t affect the climate but most certainly it was about the importance of seeing both sides of events for if you don’t you deny the very idea of free thought.

          Your comment illustrates that perfectly.

          As you obviously are totally unable to see more than one side that inability clearly strongly suggests you deny the very idea of free thought.

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            b.nice

            So, avoiding producing any evidence, yet again. Or totally incapable of doing so.

            You really have missed the point, haven’t you. !

            I have looked at the other side… scientifically, its MIA. You keep proving that.

            Come on.. here is your opportunity to put forward some of this “other side”

            We await your feeble evasions.

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              Ian

              b.Nice. I deplore your inability to understand the bleeding obvious What I wrote was

              “What It most certainly was not about was whether humans do or don’t affect the climate but most certainly it was about the importance of seeing both sides of events for if you don’t you deny the very idea of free thought.

              I can’t make it any plainer than that.

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                b.nice

                You keep saying.. “look at the other side..”

                Well.. where is it ??

                Bring science, not mantra.

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            b.nice

            “It is important to see the other side of events… blah blah….”

            You manage to avoid actually producing anything….. yet again

            I deplore your inability to present anything but blather.

            Seems there isn’t “another side”, since you can’t produce it…

            I can’t make it any plainer than that.

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        Harves

        Ian, we know you support the idea that we need to (and can) change the climate. I assume you’ve read the comments above at 4.1. If not it would be great if you could. Perhaps you are the person who could provide this forum with details of the ideal global climate. Perhaps first details on the ideal global min, max and average temps and the basis for these numbers. And then perhaps the ideal min, max and average for say 5 cities or regions of your choice.
        I am genuinely interested. If you (or anyone) could show me (perhaps through a basic description) that there is some science to the notion that there is some particular climate we should be striving for, you could possibly change my mind.

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          Ian

          Harves. Yes I had read comment 4 before posting. It is totally irrelevant to my subsequent comment at 6.2 . That comment was focused on the statement in comment 6 and commenced

          “It is important to see the other side of events for anyone who only listens to one side, is denied the very idea of free thought.”

          What a very apt comment. Unfortunately, as is apparent from a quick scan of the comments on any blog with a defined stance on a particular topic, the readers of that blog rarely want to read material that does not agree with their personal views.”

          I thought I had, mistakenly it seems, made it crystal clear that I was discussing the importance of looking at both sides of an event.

          Most unfortunately I chose as my exemplars Skeptical Science. Jo’s blog, the Guardian and The Australian. So to repeat, my comment was focussed on the importance of looking at both sides of events not on climate change

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            b.nice

            “I chose as my exemplars….”

            LOL.. opinion over science .. of course you do. !

            No need to think for yourself then.

            No need to look at how empty the science is, just be gullible and “believe”.

            Thanks for verifying what we already knew.

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            Harves

            So Ian, o see you’ve “chosen your exemplars” but you don’t even seem to be able to explain in the most basic terms, the solution you (and your exemplars) are seeking. This is what we see with teenage protesters who don’t understand what they are protesting about. I thought you might be better than that.
            I truly want to understand your view on the ideal global temperature, but all you want to do is point to websites that say nothing much more than “we need to fix the climate problem.”
            Can you at least explain to this site how we will know when the problem is fixed? Eg, at what point will we know that we’ve sufficiently changed the climate? I’ve looked on the websites you speak of but can’t find anything remotely like a targeted temperature, CO2 level or anything to so how we will know when it is no longer dangerous.
            So I ask again, can you point me at the information I seek?

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            b.nice

            Of course, what Ian totally fails to realise is that everyone gets bombarded by one side of the story by the MSM

            This forum is one place that DOES look at the other side of the story.

            And he really doesn’t like that !

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        b.nice

        “rarely want to read material that does not agree with their personal views”

        Still waiting for your evidence of human caused climate change… crickets and cicada noises is all we get.

        And yes, I regularly read climate nonsense from the AGW crowd… and it is always found wanting in actual science.

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          Ian

          Go back. Re-read my earlier comments. As you will see they have nothing to do with climate change per se but with looking at both sides of an event

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            b.nice

            Here is your chance to put forward this “other side”

            You mentioned “SkS.. so yes, you made it about climate.

            …. more crickets and cicadas….

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              Ian

              Here’s the other side b.nice. You.make.bricks.look.smart.

              Have you ever heard of an example? I used SkS and JoNova as examples of blogs each with different stances on particular topic. SkS believes humans cause global warming Jo Nova doesn’t. The majority of readers of SkS want to read comments that support humans cause global warming. They do not want comments that don’t support that view. The majority of readers of JoNova want to read comments that support the view humans do not cause climate change. They do not want comments that don’t support that view.

              I was using climate change as an example of a subject because it is contentious and generates opposing views. It would be pointless choosing a topic that is unanimously accepted as being correct as it would only be one-sided

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                b.nice

                Goes to petty ad hom.. Totally avoids any actual science…

                Ian.. defeated as always.

                Sorry little man, but JoNova is one forum that DOES look at the other side of issues.

                And how you hate that fact.

                “They do not want comments that don’t support that view. “

                I have invited you many times to put forward comments, containing actual science, at support the AGW meme…

                … But you seem totally incapable of doing so.

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                b.nice

                ““They do not want comments that don’t support that view. “”

                Yes we are well aware that SKS censors any realist views..

                They have to, because that can’t actually argue the facts and the science.

                JoNova, on the otherhand.. does not censor pro climate-change comments.

                She leaves them there to be torn apart.

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            b.nice

            “Go back. Re-read my earlier comments”

            Yes, I suggest you do that !


            “For example, most comments on Skeptical Science support the view that humans cause climate change”

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        el+gordo

        ‘ … the tenor of the comments here.’

        Speaking on behalf of the Utopian Socialists, we don’t believe CO2 causes global warming.

        I once believed in global warming caused by humans, but interest in the science changed my mind.

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          Peter Fitzroy

          I don’t believe CO2 causes global warming, I know it does. The science is in and it is compelling

          however, the sciencealso fingers humans as the main driver, belief is not required

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            Harves

            Peter, I know 97% of your friends probably BELIEVE what ever they are told, but I’m interested to understand how you all then ‘unbelieve’ all the predictions that don’t come true.
            I’ve lost count. How many years do we have now to take action … or else. Are our dams supposed to fill or empty? Is the GBR dead yet? Has it stopped snowing in the UK.
            What would it actually take for you and your friends to stop believing?

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            el+gordo

            Found this on your list, good catch.

            https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0012825216300277

            Do you think the 60 year cycle is credible?

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            b.nice

            “I know it does”

            Yet you cannot put forward one single paper that proves even the most basic tenet CO2 warming….. just a mindless google searches

            You have absolutely nothing of any scientific merit to support you mindless belief.

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            b.nice

            Peter.. basically every paper in your pathetic feeble google search is based on models

            You do know that assumption driven models are NOT actual scientific evidence, don’t you !

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            Richard+Ilfeld

            I know for a fact that life without electricity in a modern society is a darn bit more annoying the global warming; if fact if it happens in a temperate climate in the winter one might term it an existential risk. IF! we were guilty of the ‘warming’ that has been ‘observed’ over the last 75 years; I’d venture than most rational souls would accept the cost benefit equation; The climate is a bit warmer than it was in our great grandparents time and we’ve had the benefits of the use of fuels to make our lives much better over the period; not to mention the moral view than we’ve brought probably trillions out of poverty. We’re already at the point in the US where one has to be rich and out of touch, or a dependent child to really act green; the rest of us are scrambling to adjust our budgets to pay for the necessities of life. And that cost-benefit equation is no longer abstract when it has an immediate impact on your own bank balance. The argument won’t matter when one doesn’t have time to argue because the side hustle is what puts food on the table. We know who is to blame. The companies hated by the left gave us a surplus plus export revenues a few years ago and prospered greatly, they didn’t volunteer to stop performing their basic functions.
            There is no part of the current crisis in the west that has not been ill-touched by the heavy hand of a climate cult motivated government, and if you insist on screwing up the lives of ordinary folks your arguments won’t matter, and you have insisted, and they don’t.

            The plain fact of the matter is that 90% plus of the citizens in my country live where the annual temperature range is 50dF or greater, and 2-6 dF in a hundred years is not now nor ever will be more important that the shelves running out of baby formula. The plain fact is that a majority of the citizens in my country use a vehicle for basic transportation that is worth less than $18K US, get their fuel by the gallon (and pay a little at a time), drive farther each day than a standard outlet overnight charge, and know that an EV with an end-of-life-cycle battery is not a used car you can buy, its a sculpture.

            People don’t trust the chef who won’t eat his own cooking; apostles of Gaia who don’t live green are equally reviled among those whom the elite never listen to.

            So Peter, I think your arguments are awful because they go from nowhere to nowhere, models to models to models, conjectures to conjectures, but even if I am 100% wrong I know your arguments don’t matter; in our Mazlow hierarchy they are at the bottom of the barrel.

            He who builds windmills will inherit the whirlwind/

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          b.nice

          Its not a matter of “believe”.

          Its that there is no real evidence for it, and the whole conjecture is contrary to basic physics.

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    David Maddison

    Have you noticed how a large proportion of Leftists talk with a “high rising terminal” speech pattern?

    Definition of high rising terminal from Wikipedia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_rising_terminal?wprov=sfla1

    The high rising terminal, also known as upspeak, uptalk, or high rising intonation is a feature of some variants of English where declarative sentences can end with a rising pitch similar to that typically found in yes-or-no questions.

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      John Hultquist

      I mostly read rather than listen, so haven’t noticed this.
      It is common and those giving talks/speeches have to be aware
      and coached to not do this. It is annoying.

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      Ronin

      I always thought that HRT indicates a subtle lack of confidence, almost like a question ‘have I got this right’ type of thing.
      Another annoying trend I am noticing mostly among females is the lowering and relaxing of the voice so it sounds croaky, I think it is meant to indicate that the exponent is super relaxed and cool and right across this.

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      Ian

      “Have you noticed how a large proportion of Leftists talk with a “high rising terminal” speech pattern?

      I don’t think political persuasion has the slightest impact on the, intensely irritating, ascending tone of sentence termination. It is, as far as I am aware, uniquely Australian. Additionally it is my belief and contention that it is far more prevalent in females than in males.

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      Tel

      I thought it was the way you asked a question.The difference between:

      We’re still doing OK.

      vs

      We’re still doing OK?

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    Aloha!

    Sometimes it is good to get another angle. This video was made in Feb 2020. Before biden got elected and before the Ukraine War and before the current global supply chain problems and this inflationary period and like a month before covid exploded. There is a very good perspective on the entire “green” disorder that causes global suffering.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jT6HFCAFDgU

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    b.nice

    LOL, Wind in SA currently producing just 31 MW

    Interconnects 776 MW (Brown coal fired power from Victoria)

    Gas 585 MW

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      James Murphy

      The SA Electricity Report by AEMO nicely shows SA as a net importer of electricity, but not by much, and was an net exporter in previous years. However, imports are rising, while overall consumption seems to be dropping (forecasts are for consumption to rise, so it’s all a bit odd – maybe I missed something…).

      page 40 for imports/exports
      https://aemo.com.au/en/energy-systems/electricity/national-electricity-market-nem/nem-forecasting-and-planning/south-australian-advisory-functions

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        b.nice

        The amount it exports is a tiny pittance compared to NEM supplies, no-one really needs it.. It does nothing of any worth.

        The amount it imports is the only thing that stops SA going into massive erratic supply constraints and blackouts.

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      Ronin

      The day isn’t far away when NSW and VIC won’t have the spare MW to export to SA, so it’ll be on for young and old then, can’t come soon enough.

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      IainC

      Never mind the unfolding wind/solar RE disasters in the UK, Germany and California, the costs to the consumer of renewable self-righteousness and technological ignorance are already apparent in Australia. SA has the highest wind/solar penetration, and therefore the highest domestic cost by a long way per kWh, according to Cannstarblue: SA 31.6 c/kWh, Vic 19.9 c/kWh, Qld 20.2 c/kWh, NSW 22.7 c/kWh. Naturally, SA also gets rescued over and over again by the other states overnight or when the wind is low, thanks to their always-available coal and gas power.

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    RicDre

    Government Disinformation Board Determines All Criticism Of Government Disinformation Board To Be Disinformation

    April 29th, 2022 – BabylonBee.com

    WASHINGTON, D.C.—In its first official act, the new DHS Government Disinformation Board ruled today that all criticism of the Government Disinformation Board is disinformation. This comes in response to sharp criticism from conservatives, which they say is untrue and unwarranted.

    https://babylonbee.com/news/government-disinformation-board-determines-all-criticism-of-government-disinformation-board-to-be-disinformation

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    David Maddison

    Supposedly mining communities are demanding Morrison’s Net Zero.

    As clueless and green as Turnbull pick Morrison is, things will be even worse under Labor.

    https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/mining-towns-demand-shift-to-net-zero/video/0b764fd5eb3d940781b0a0ec59586da7

    Mining towns demand ‘shift’ to net zero

    34 minutes ago

    A report indicates resource communities are receptive to changes for emission reduction targets to net zero.

    SEE LINK FOR REST

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      Forrest Gardener

      The Babylon Bee makes straight news like this almost impossible to take seriously.

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      RickWill

      Net-Zero is a gift from the climate gods to all manner of mining. Converting the western world to run on weather dependent energy sources requires an endless source of raw materials going to China so they can convert them to energy extractors and send them back to the west.

      China is exempt by decree from the high priests from any harm due to bad climate so can continue to burn fossil fuels for the common good of mankind. Only the west has to abide by the Net-Zero decree to decarbonise.

      Most mines in Australia get a free pass from decarbonising because they supply the resources China needs to make wind and sun energy extractors for the west. The only Australian mines not exempt are those feeding coal to power stations in Australia – that is all bad carbon. Export carbon is blessed and is good.

      The CCC priests have recognised this important role for Australia, which is garnering even greater green credentials by establishing new subsidy farms to produce green hydrogen for internal and export markets.

      Biden can create USD from nothing but the energy extractors needed to move just the USA to Net-Zero will consume all human endeavour and mined resources for decades. My bet is that USDs will lose their gloss across the globe before USA achieves Net-Zero. Biden is leading USA into economic oblivion. China is the new economic power and Australia feeds China’s most important raw material – iron ore.

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    David Maddison

    How many more coal power stations can Australia afford to destroy before grid failure is inevitable?

    Is it one or two?

    Windmills and panels don’t count. No matter how many you have, the supply is random and useless. The only power sources that count are those that are available 24/7 at good prices, i.e. despatchable power sources. Battery storage is uneconomic for grid scale power.

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      b.nice

      “How many more coal power stations can Australia afford to destroy before grid failure is inevitable”

      We will find out in the not too distant future.

      Far sooner under Lab/Green than even green Lib.

      But if that is what the country really wants … so be it.

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        David Maddison

        But if that is what the country really wants … so be it.

        b.nice, I am torn between fighting for what I know is right, and the Sheeple demanding what is objectively wrong.

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        Ronin

        The trouble is that the average voter isn’t very bright, just like some folk think milk comes from a carton and eggs grow in a cardboard carton, they just know electricity come out of the socket in the wall.
        To their tiny minds, electricity has always been there and always will be, they’ll need a huge shock to jolt them into reality.

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          Harves

          The trouble is that the average voter isn’t very bright

          What’s even scarier is that half the voters are dumber than the average voter.

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          Grogery

          The trouble is that the average voter isn’t very bright

          The trouble is that the average voter person isn’t very bright

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            paul courtney

            Grogery and all: Yet the least-worst government would be 100 of the below average intelligencia (I think I just made that up!) instead of 100 Harvard faculty members! That is a variation of Bill Buckley’s insight. The trick is to have a limited government. That is why, when people like Nancy Pelosi get the whip in hand, they grow gov’t. What we have now is a vast federal government run by below-average-intelligence Ivy League grads, and they are showing us how smart they are!

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      Forrest Gardener

      The answer my friend is blowing in the wind. The answer is blowing in the wind.

      Or maybe not.

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      Ronin

      Weather dependent power is random and more of the same will still be random, it’s just not good enough for such an important end product.

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      Hanrahan

      ATM SA is generating 7MW from wind, relying on gas and Vic lignite.

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      Robber

      It should be legislated that every solar and wind generator is required to guarantee power supply 24×7.
      For rooftop solar that would mean back up batteries and/or a diesel generator.
      For windfarms it would mean an adjacent pumped storage facility, a backup gas turbine and/or a very big battery.
      When will someone do the appropriate levelized cost of dispatchable power calculations?
      And what is going on in Qld?
      This FY, Qld average price $141/MWhr, previous FY year $62.
      And in April/May, $220/412.
      Did the Qld govt decide to increase revenues without telling anybody?

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    David Maddison

    This is a very good US article discussing the infeasibility of green power in the US comprised of random sources of energy such as wind and solar with hydro storage.

    I am happy to hear any criticisms of the article if you are a green and think random power is feasible to power industrial civilisation.

    https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/2011/11/pump-up-the-storage/

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    David Maddison

    There is a TV series called Deadliest Jouneys about the horrors of truck driving in mostly Third World countries and the appalling roads and conditions they have to endure. There are also side stories of various human interest.

    This one, link below, talks about Sierra Leone.

    Starting at the 25min mark, is featured a mother and all her children going to work breaking up granite rock to make gravel, by hand. No machinery whatsoever.

    I never knew people actually did that, I have only ever seen it in cartoons.

    I’m sure the Sierra Leone People’s Party (SLPP) have it all under control.

    https://youtu.be/Rx9RFORLddA

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      Forrest Gardener

      Interesting. It’s always good to catch a glimpse of the future.

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      Fran

      Saw this in Uttar Pradesh in 2004. My host explained that the women would be unemployed if machines were brought in to do the job.

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    Peter C

    Virus Mania – Germ Theory vs Terrain Theory

    Some/Many readers will be aware of Dr Sam(antha) Bailey. She makes videos on medical topics.
    She was a guest on the Delingpole podcast recently. I was surprised that she seems to reject the idea that germs cause disease and even doubts the existence of viruses.

    A starting point was Germ Theory vs Terrain Theory.
    Germ Theory was familiar since that is what we were taught in Medical School. We are surrounded by germs. If the germs gain access to our bodies they make us sick. A particular type of germ gives rise to a particular ilness, eg Cholera dysentery is casued by the vibrio cholera bacteria. There is generally a particular diagnostic test and hopefully a particular and aeffective treatment for each illness.

    By contrast Terrain Theory asserts that illness is caused mainly by environmental factors (malnutrition, poisons etc) which weaken our immunity. The germs are present but are incidental. Dr Sam gave an analogy. You may come accross a pile of garbage in your local environmant. This is likely accompanied by a lot of flies (analogous to the germs). The flies did not cause the garbage but they are there becasue of it. They are trying to clean up the messs by eating the garbage.

    Germ Theory originated (according to Dr Sam) with Louis Pasteur (1822–1895), followed by Robert Koch and others. Terrain Theory originated at the same time by Antoine Béchamp (1816–1908) but is less well known.

    I was a bit affronted by such an attack on my basic learning so I purchased the book (Virus Mania – kindle edition) https://www.amazon.com.au/Virus-Mania-COVID-19-Hepatitis-Billion-Dollar/dp/3752629789.

    The book is very well referrenced. Louis Pasteur is accused of faking some of his experiments!
    They go on to examine some well known illnesses and examine the evidence for infection vs environment.

    More to follow when I have read more of it.

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      KP

      Download a copy of “The Invisible Rainbow” by Arthur Firstenberg to read afterwards. He details the discovery of electricity and radio waves, and explains all the new diseases that followed the usage of each new wavelength.

      We were never designed to exist in a sea of radiation and the results are common, large overall and just accepted as part of modern life. Tinnitus in young people is a typical example, unknown in earlier ages appeared recently.

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        Peter C

        ok, thanks,

        We were never designed to exist in a sea of radiation and the results are common

        There are a lot of sources of radiation which exist naturally.

        Does Arthur Firstenberg actually believe that non ionising radiation causes illness?

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          KP

          Yes, he says the standards were set at a level where it doesn’t cook us, yet other effects are also important.

          He has some great examples where radar was set up around the world in the Cold War and symptoms appeared in the local populations, and decades later when the radar was removed the sicknesses went.

          No-one in authority will ever want to know about it, so we won’t get any detailed research done in case it shows we should live without electricity and radio. A bit like looking into sicknesses from Covid vaccines, but more important.

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            Kalm Keith

            Interesting.
            Prompted recently to look up the effects of 5G on humans but couldn’t find much. Do you have any info on it?

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      Fran

      So if Sma Bailey really believes this, she should drink river water and unboiled milk in the tropical countries. Bet she wouldn’t.
      It is fashionable to try to take down famous people these days. Even if Pasteur jumped before he had real proof, pasturizing milk saved a bunch of kids from TB and bacterial infection. Sometimes researchers who jump before hard proof of a concept don’t win, but Pasteur did win. I read somewhere that Michael Angelo was an abuser.

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        Peter C

        Yes thanks,

        I am not converted to terrain theory yet. I keep think of well known parasitic and bacterial infections where the association of germ and disease seems obvious.
        The problem of transmission is a strong point for germ theory, if transmission is proved (often transmission is assumed).

        Terrain Theory also has some strong points in its favour, eg nutritional deficiencies such as scurvy.

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          often transmission is assumed

          sort of. You could argue it is assumed 99.9% of the time. Actually each and every disease that I can think of is investigated thoroughly and a bug, with it’s transmissibility assesed, is implicated or not. From then on with the thousands or millions of cases observed you assume transmissibility. So sort of

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            Peter C

            Well a big one is the AIDS virus (Human Immunodeficiency Virus – HIV).
            Where are the transmissibility studies?
            Virus Mania cites a study that showed no heterosexual transmission at all over a 10 year study period. Instead the virus hunters found clusters of cases in New York and San Francisco among men who all shared a similar life style. Infection or Terrain?

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              you are kidding?

              there are thousands of them from studies looking directly at the genome to link cases to cellular studies showing the mechanisms of introgression into endothelium.

              How much money has Virus Mania made out of the cooers?

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                Peter C

                Sort of interesting. I looked the first half dozen references and did not see anything very persuasive about person to person transmission of an AIDS infection.

                Do you have any really good references?

                What search terms did you use?

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    Neville

    To try and answer Rick above using actual data and evidence since 1950.
    So is our climate SAFE today? Well it’s safer than any time since 1900 or 1950. Here’s why.
    In 1900 about 1.7 bn people and since 1950 about 2.7 billion we’re now 7.9 + billion and yet DEATHS from extreme weather events have dropped by 95% in the last 100 years.
    Life expectancy has soared over the last 100 years and 72 years and 50 years and ditto the population.
    And ditto for our poorest continent Africa yet we still have clueless Malthusians telling us that we’ll have mass starvation ( Ehrlich etc in 1970) even in Europe and certainly in India etc.
    It didn’t happen then with billions less people and it hasn’t happened yet.
    But just you wait because we’re having a climate emergency, just you wait. And it’s all BS and FRA-D.

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      b.nice

      ” telling us that we’ll have mass starvation”

      And the leftist agenda is doing everything it can to make sure that happens. !

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        PeterS

        If and when we do have mass starvation, it won’t be due to man-made climate change given it;s a myth. So, the West’s quest to fight a mythical man-made climate change is not only a total fraud and scam, it’s already causing some of the problems that they are so concerned about, such as shortage of food, higher costs of power, etc.. It’s a given they will blame it all on man-made climate change to keep the scam going but some of us are awake to that lie and will take action by not voting for them until they tell the truth and scrap their net zero emissions policies.

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    David Maddison

    Heh, more free stuff!

    In Vicdanistan they are giving away free refrigerators to businesses!

    I wonder which Labor Party donor profits from this?

    https://www.free-fridge.com.au/

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    David Maddison

    doublethink
    /ˈdʌb(ə)lθɪŋk/

    noun

    the acceptance of contrary opinions or beliefs at the same time, especially as a result of political indoctrination.

    A classic example of this is how the Left constantly keep telling us that wind power is the cheapest form of electricity but this is objectively not true because consumer and commercial electricity bills keep rising, relentlessly.

    And the more wind power any country has, the more expensive it is.

    And that’s a fact.

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    Graeme No.3

    Can anyone help? I saw recently a comment that double glazed windows filled with CO2 actually increased heat loss compared with those filled with air.
    I’ve found claims such that Argon gives 16-30% reduction and that Kryptonite is better but much more expensive so uneconomic. It would seem that the use of cheaper and readily available CO2 must have some drawback if it isn’t used

    (Also O/T a claim that plasma TVs need extra argon every few years due to leakage).

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      David Maddison

      Also O/T a claim that plasma TVs need extra argon every few years due to leakage).

      I don’t understand that. Plasma display panels are hermetically sealed units in glass and can’t be refilled, nor do they need to be.

      The pixel cells in a plasma display have about 500 torr (0.67 atm) of pressure of noble gas plus a bit of mercury.

      In any case, plasma displays are considered obsolete.

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      RicDre

      ” … Kryptonite is better but much more expensive …”

      Superman would have to stick to an Argon or Air filling for his double glazed windows.

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      Graeme No.3

      https://www.quora.com/If-CO2-causes-global-warming-by-trapping-heat-in-the-atmosphere-why-dont-double-glazing-companies-use-CO2-to-fill-the-gap-in-their-windows-to-help-insulate-your-home-against-heat-loss?share=1

      It’s a gigantic hoax that CO2 “traps” and “piles” heat in the atmosphere. Lawrence Berkeley Lab did experiments in 1989 on multipane windows filled with different gases known to absorb infrared (CO2, SF6, etc.). and proved that “the effect of the infrared radiation properties of CO2 is unnoticeable”, and that infrared absorbing gases “are not as effective as low-emittance coatings for reducing radiative heat transfer.” They found that ordinary air works better than CO2 for insulating windows.

      It seems that CO2 doesn’t “trap heat”. An excellent reply to those who insist that rising CO2 “traps heat” causing Global Warming.

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        b.nice

        The radiative properties of CO2 means it helps transfer the energy through the space between the glass.

        Just like in the atmosphere.

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    David Maddison

    The Leftists of Hollyweird normally censor their movies to appease their Chicomm masters but here is some good news.

    Japanese owned Sony refused to censor Spiderman to appease the Chicomms so the Chicomms banned the movie.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/sony-refused-to-censor-spider-man-no-way-home-for-china-sacrificing-hundreds-of-millions-of-dollars

    Sony Refused To Censor ‘Spider-Man: No Way Home’ For China, Sacrificing Hundreds Of Millions Of Dollars

    By  Megan Basham

    May 6, 2022   DailyWire.com

    Major movie studios censoring or altering content to appease China has been one of the biggest stories in Tinseltown for several years now. A new report, however, reveals that at least one entertainment company wasn’t willing to play that game.

    Multiple unnamed sources told the Hollywood trade publication, Puck, that Sony Pictures refused to make changes to its 2021 blockbuster “Spider-Man: No Way Home” in order to secure a release in the Middle Kingdom.

    SEE LINK FOR REST

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    Custer Van Cleef

    A great summation of Britain’s rotten leader for 11 years:

    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/time-to-draw-a-line-under-blairs-toxic-legacy/

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    David Maddison

    This website tells ignorant people not to vote for climate realists (such as most people here) but to vote for people who support the anthropogenic global warming fraud.

    https://voteclimateone.org.au/

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    David Maddison

    This fellow is running for the United Australia Party for Senate for NSW and is onside for climate and covid.

    https://kevinloughrey.com.au/

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    RicDre

    International Socialists Accuse Greta Thunberg of Supporting the Establishment

    Essay by Eric Worrall

    Evidence is emerging of fractures in the remnant of the climate school strike movement Greta Thunberg once led.

    Greta Thunberg is barely newsworthy these days, but I hope some of you find the final collapse of her movement interesting.

    Maybe at the height of Greta’s movement, before fuel prices rose, before she turned 18, she could have mustered a few followers in rural Australia.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/05/07/international-socialists-accuse-greta-thunberg-of-supporting-the-establishment/

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    STJOHNOFGRAFTON

    Quoted from OffGuardian: CIA Director, William Casey is reputed to have said to Ronald Reagan ‘We’ll know our disinformation is complete when everything the American public believes is false.’
    An article titled Revelation of the Method” by Dustin Broadbery
    Great and thought provoking read.
    https://off-guardian.org/2022/05/07/revelation-of-the-method/

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    David Maddison

    So you don’t think voting interference happens in Australia?

    https://www.rebelnews.com/australia_post_worker_suspended_after_dumping_postal_vote_applications

    Australia Post worker suspended after dumping postal vote applications

    Worker caught binning 500 postal vote applications in a wheelie bin before offering woman a $10 bribe in Queensland

    By Alexandra Marshall April 26, 2022 

    There is less than a month remaining until the Federal Election on May 22 and already news has surfaced of attempted vote tampering in the Brisbane electorate of Blair – a marginal seat currently occupied by Labor’s Shayne Neumann.

    A worker at Australia Post was caught on a woman’s security camera throwing out piles of Coalition postal vote applications into a residential bin. The employee, who has been suspended, dumped the postal votes and then offered her a bribe after being confronted.

    SEE LINK FOR REST

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    Furiously+Curious

    I’ll keep this as short as possible – a summary of weather during the Mississippi’s great flood of 1926-27.
    Heavy and persistent rain during the 2nd half of August 1926, as 3 lows went through the upper Mississippi catchment. Several hundred thousand square miles drenched. 4 Sept floods wash out bridges, and 4 dead from Nebraska to Indiana. 7 Sept 7 die in flooding in Illinois-Indiana. 13 Sept 5 die in Kansas. Flooding in Illinois. Iowa 15″ in 3 days, 10 dead, Sioux City inundated. All through Sept and early Oct rain continued. Highest river levels in history in the upper reaches, when usually a low water time. Mississippi itself broke it’s banks on it’s upper reaches.
    River gauges in last 3 mths of 1926 on the Ohio, Missouri, and Mississippi at record levels. A million square miles drenched. Vicksburg gauge at the foot of the delta never above 31′ in Oct. Oct 1026 40′.
    6 week break. 14 Dec heavy snow in the north, 5-6″ rain across the centre. 3 die in Arkansas; Nashville and Chattanooga flooded. 16 dead and thousands homeless.
    Storms abate. Late Jan snow from Rockies to Ozarks, New Orleans heaviest rain in 52 years. Storm covered half the continent. 23 Jan Pittsburgh flooded, 28 Cincinnati flooded. 4 Feb Arkansas 5000 homeless, 100 000 acres under 10-15’of water. 11 Feb 5” over lower reaches. 32 die.

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    John Connor II

    Fully Vaccinated Gorilla Dies of Multiple Organ Failure

    How dangerous was Covid to animals in Gladys Porter zoo? Not very dangerous. No animal ever contracted COVID, according to the zoo.

    https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/fully-vaccinated-gorilla-dies-of

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    John Connor II

    2000 Mules – documentary full video

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/TizNoVq1qcwb/

    Enjoy 😊

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    John Connor II

    CDC advisory committee recommends all US adults younger than age 60 get vaccinated against hepatitis B

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-10162849/Panel-All-US-adults-60-hepatitis-B-shots.html

    Uh-huh…

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      ozfred

      This (and the hepatitus A vaccines) has been recommended for international travelers for many years. One can hope they haven’t had a serious change in the way the vaccines are prepared.

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    John Connor II

    Breaking: Monkeypox case confirmed after plane flight into UK

    A patient has been diagnosed with monkeypox in England, it has been confirmed today. The UK Health Security Agency said it is believed the patient caught the infection in Nigeria before travelling to the UK.

    The UKHSA said the rare viral infection does not spread easily between people. And while some people can become seriously ill with it, monkeypox is usually a mild self-limiting illness and most people recover within a few weeks.

    https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/uk-world-news/monkeypox-case-confirmed-after-plane-7051652

    The Congo reported over a thousand cases so far in 2022 with 52 deaths and a CFR of 5.2%.
    “Doesn’t spread easily”?
    I beg to differ! It spreads as easily as the flu.

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    Furiously+Curious

    14 Mar severe blizzard over most of catchment, rain in south.
    15 Mar flooding rains crippled Mississippi state. 16 Mar 4’ more inches on same area. 17-20 Mar 3 tornadoes across lower miss valley kill 45, waves wipped up on river do severe damage to levees. By late Mar Cairo had had 4 major flood crests, on the 25th the highest ever. 29 Mar first major levee on the Arkansas goes. 31 Mar Oklahoma storm on kills 2, cripples transport. At Columbus KT 3000 men sandbagging levee. Weather turns cold. Armed guards patrol levee looking for weakness or saboteurs. (If one side of the levee can be blown, the other will be saved!) April Rains get harder and longer, making previous seem light. 8 April Oklahoma and Kansas inundated. 3 trains wrecked. One million acres flooded, 50 000+ refugees living in tents and boxcars.
    13 April The rain continued. Tornadoes ripped through 12 states. Saboteurs shot.

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    John Connor II

    The Losses Will Be Unprecedented” – Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche Delivers a Dire Warning Against the Vaccine Program

    Acclaimed vaccinologist, Geert Vanden Bossche, sits down for his second groundbreaking interview with Del to explain why the intense pressure mass vaccination is putting on the Covid-19 virus will likely drive it to become catastrophically deadly.

    https://lorphicweb.com/the-losses-will-be-unprecedented-dr-geert-vanden-bossche-delivers-a-dire-warning-against-the-vaccine-program-highwire/

    Insert Monty Python rabbit warning sketch.

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      Fran

      Of particular interest is his explanation of how you can get an increase in infectivity along with a decrease in severe disease due to the actions of non-neutralizing antibodies. Apparently the bind to the base of the spike protein increasing binding to Ace2 while preventing syncytium formation in the lower respiratory tract.

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    Furiously+Curious

    continuing….
    And then on 15 April the rain got serious – 6-15″ over several hundred thousand square miles. Little Rock and Cairo 10″, New Orleans 15+”. At Hickman KN, Mississippi 7′ higher than ever before. Jan-April 1927 New Orleans had 5 storms heavier than any one in the last ten yrs. The Mississippi so powerful it was blocking inflows from it’s massive tributaries. They were backing up and flooding. 16 April first major levee goes, south of Cairo IL. Tens of thousands of refugees without food or water. Mississippi carrying 3 million cubic feet per second. Up to 3 miles wide, and some places 200′ deep, travelling at 9 mph. Levees were literally vibrating -‘it felt like jelly!’ Thousands of men sandbagging in cold rain, sleeping in mud. 21 April Hundreds of black laborers, at gun point, couldn’t hold the first major levee break. 2-100+ died, as the levee exploded. A wall of water 1/4 mile wide and up to 130′ high raged onto the delta. It gouged a channel 100’ deep, 1/2 a mile wide, a mile inland. Thousands of people on roof tops, and clinging in trees for days. Many died of exposure, as it was unseasonably cold, and still raining. There was another flood crest in July.

    Louisiana had some time to prepare, and Hoover, who was a genius at organising, had prepareded for when the levees broke around the ‘sugar bowl’ region of Louisiana.- “Hoover had earlier told 105 000 people in the area to evacuate. Few had. But Hoover and the Red Cross had prepared. Thousands of trucks rolled into the area just ahead of the first wave of water. Four trains carrying boats, motors, and now experienced rescuers headed in from different directions, and the rescue fleet entered just behind the first wave of water. All 105 000 people, along with most of their cattle, horses, and mules, were evacuated with crisp efficiency, and few deaths.”
    That’s as far as I’ve read- 2/3, but jees, we’ve just lived through our flood, that hit about 100th of this area, and lasted 3 days, but I hear the world’s going to end!

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    John Connor II

    Quebec Passes Bill 15 which gives the State Full Control of Your Children (parental primacy) and Extends Mask Mandate

    The Bill was passed into law on April 14th 2022, under the guise of child protection
    The law allows the govt to remove children from the homes of those parents who do not want to mask/vaccinate them and deem the parents “unfit.”

    https://lorphicweb.com/quebec-passes-bill-15-which-gives-the-state-full-control-of-your-children-and-extends-mask-mandate/

    Given the hard data on the vaxxes, any forced vaccination is demonstrably a crime!

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    John Connor II

    Within a year of an EMP event at least 2 thirds or the us population will perish from starvation, disease and social collapse

    Dr. Peter Pry (Executive Director of the Task Force on National and Homeland Security) warns that the consequences – of not being prepared for this event – are much more severe than one may think:

    “within a year of an EMP event at least 2 thirds or the us population will perish from starvation, disease and social collapse”

    Former CIA double agent (Reza Kahlili) who spent time in the Iranian Army confirmed that the Iranian have conducted missile tests of ships in the Caspian See that are consistent with an EMP attack:

    “They are going to get to the Gulf of Mexico with ballistic missiles and they can launch one at a moment’s notice and they wouldn’t care about the repercussions”

    https://billkloss.law.blog/2022/05/07/emp-is-here-dr-peter-pry-warns-that-the-consequences-of-not-being-prepared-for-this-event-are-much-more-severe-than-one-may-think-within-a-year-of-an-emp-event-at-lea-2/

    Yup. Deagel 2025 shapes up more every day doesn’t it.
    Given the state of USA infrastructure an EMP would be worse than a nuke. The people get to die a slow death but the infrastructure is left standing.

    Quick question for the preppers – do you have a Faraday cage for your tech? 😉

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    John Connor II

    Food Confiscation: How to protect your food stores and production from government confiscation

    Did you know that if you have even a small subsistence farm to grow and or raise food for your family it all could be confiscated. Did you know the government is currently trying to identify and register all food producers to support this goal? Whether you are aware or not, at any time the president deems necessary, the US can now confiscate key resources in the name of national security.

    https://billkloss.law.blog/2022/05/06/food-confiscation-how-to-protect-your-food-stores-and-production-from-government-confiscationmy-first-rule-comes-from-the-movie-fight-club-dont-talk-about-your-food-production-and-stora-3/

    Yes I do know that but no doubt many Americans don’t…

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    John Connor II

    WHO Warns COVID Jabs Are to Blame for Rise in Deadly Hepatitis among Children

    The UK was the first country to roll-out the adenovirus based AstraZeneca Covid-19 injection en masse in January 2021, and it was also the first country to report an unusual increase in hepatitis cases of unknown cause among children. Just a coincidence?

    The theory behind the AstraZeneca virus going rogue is that the virus contained in the vaccine combines with the E1 gene from another circulating adenovirus, of which there are many. The result is a replicating ChAdOx1 virus.

    https://newspunch.com/who-warns-covid-jabs-are-to-blame-for-rise-in-deadly-hepatitis-among-children/

    Well..the list of countries affected just keeps growing. Oz next?

    That’s enough for “quiet news day” Sunday 😎

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    Yesterday I made a bold prediction at this comment in reply to, umm, whatsisname, who was gloating that wind generation was doing great. It was up at 3640MW. His/her (whatever pronoun they use now) comment was in response to how coal fired power is so unreliable, you know with one Unit dropping offline every so often. In my comment I mentioned perhaps a bold prediction:

    Oh it’s on the way back down now, and by Midnight, will be back around 1000MW or lower…..

    Well, it actually took seven hours longer to get back to 1000MW, and then it just kept going down. It took a little longer because the Low was blocking the movement of the High Pressure Weather System rolling in from the West, this time a little longer than usual, and those weather systems regularly roll in from that direction every few days or so, as the always have and always do.

    Go to this link and when it opens, scroll down a little to the graph, and then click on the MW tab at the top right of the graph, and that indicates the current total power from all wind generation Australia. It’s currently at 533MW from a total Nameplate of more than 9000MW, so operating at a Capacity Factor of 5.6%.

    Each day I look at these graphs, and you can see the current synoptic weather map a little higher up than the graph, and off to the right. I watch as those High Pressure systems roll in from the West, and can ‘predict’ with reasonable accuracy those huge losses of power as those Systems hover over the area where there is the largest concentration of wind plants, in South East South Australia and Central Western Victoria where there are two thirds of Australia’s wind plants.

    To see it for yourself, under the graph is the list of all wind plants, and at the bottom of that list are the States. Untick all the boxes (as well as the box for Total, leaving sub total ticked) except for SA and Vic, and you’ll see what I mean.

    That’s a Nameplate of 5250MW in that area and total generated power currently (1.45PM Sunday) is 205MW.

    Pitiful.

    Imagine the cost of those 50 wind plants, and all they can deliver is less power than the ONE single smallest coal fired Unit in the Country.

    Now look, some will say ….. cherry picking, but hey, when this happens what the hell is the Country going to do.

    And it shows up the falsehood of build more of them, and there will always be power somewhere.

    And hey, isn’t his supposed to be the windiest part of the Country.

    That loss from the high of yesterday of 3600MW to the 500MW now is the equivalent of SIX of those coal fired Units.

    That screams ….. UNRELIABILITY to me.

    Tony.

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      b.nice

      Wind is currently 3% of the NEM…. Doing grate !! 🙂

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      b.nice

      Oh dear, Looks like another one of those near zero wind evenings coming in South Australia.

      Still a bit of solar at the moment.

      But come the evening peak, Gas, Diesel and interconnects will yet again have to provide all the electricity.

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    GreatAuntJanet

    Useless BOM! Just as we are due for some decent weather here in central west Qld, they take the Longreach radar out EXACTLY when it is due. Current notice reads:
    “The Longreach radar is undergoing routine maintenance. There may be intermittent outages from 10/05/2022 to 13/05/2022. View other radar locations or satellite cloud and lightning imagery and watch for current weather warnings. Check MetEye for weather forecasts and current observations.”

    I know I can just look out of the window to see if it is raining, but what is the radar for?

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    John Connor II

    What Happens When Complexity Unravels?

    The Ratchet Effect is: costs and complexity only increase, they never decrease because organizations are optimized to expand, not shrink, and so there are no institutionalized pathways to reducing complexity and costs.

    Costs will rise inexorably for another reason: supply chains have been optimized for a perfect world of endless expansion. Barry Lynn, executive director of the Open Markets Institute, summarized the dynamic nicely: “Corporations have built the most efficient system of production the world has ever seen, perfectly calibrated to a world in which nothing bad ever happens.”

    Recalibrating every corporate supply chain for all the bad things that are happening will cost a fortune.

    These costs will be passed on to consumers, but as the purchasing power of wages declines, there will be limits on how much consumers will be able to pay.

    These higher costs will depress profits which will depress employment and tax revenues.

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/what-happens-when-complexity-unravels

    Complexity doesn’t factor in unexpected realities. eg Ukraine

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    John Connor II

    Ukraine’s IT Army is disrupting Russia’s alcohol distribution

    According to reports from multiple Russian media outlets, several vodka producers and distributors claim inability to access the EGAIS (ЕГАИС) portal as required by government regulations.

    As a result, alcohol beverages transportation and distribution to retail points have suffered greatly in the past couple of days, raising the risk of actual shortages on the shelves.

    https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/ukraine-s-it-army-is-disrupting-russias-alcohol-distribution/

    Stocking up time again. Hic!

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    John Connor II

    Vaccine Alert: New Poll Shows How Parents Feel About Jabs For Kids

    Just 18 percent of those asked said they would “definitely” get their child two jabs of the vaccine if it was approved for use in the age group.
    Just last week the New York Times ran a story claiming their failure to approve the jabs for under-5s had “bred frustration” among many parents.

    However, today’s survey reveals that the vast majority of parents, in fact, do not intend to get their children vaccinated against the pandemic virus.

    https://www.blabber.buzz/blab/pop/1037666-vaccine-alert-new-poll-shows-how-parents-feel-about-jabs-for-kids


    Most parents — 38 percent — said they intended to wait until other children had got the vaccine, before deciding whether to take their own vaccine.

    That’s the way – see if other kids die first😇

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    another ian

    “Trust” the Process: IPCC AR6 WG1 Edition

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/05/07/ar6-wg1-final-revised-report-and-expert-review-comments-have-just-been-released/

    “If you scroll down to the bottom you can find the heretofore secret list of Expert Reviewers:”

    “Note that, until now, even the Expert Reviewers, themselves, were not permitted to see any of this material. Even while reviewing the SOD (Second Order Draft) we were not permitted to see the authors’ responses to even our own FOD (First Order Draft) comments.

    In the case of our FOD comments, we’ve had to wait nearly three years to see the authors’ responses.

    The IPCC’s “expert review” process, despite the similar name, does not resemble peer review for academic papers. The IPCC treats its own “expert reviewers” like mushrooms. The IPCC’s authors needn’t even take reviewer comments into consideration.

    Imagine an academic journal which ran its peer-review process the way that the IPCC runs their “expert review” process:”

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    another ian

    “Guest Post: Wally Dali goes to the Archibalds, 2022”

    https://newcatallaxy.blog/2022/05/08/guest-post-wally-dali-goes-to-the-archibalds-2022/

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    Andrew McRae

    A Royal Runaround by Reuters on Egressing Emperors
    Poor penguins!

    Emperor penguin at serious risk of extinction due to climate change
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-05-08/emperor-penguin-at-risk-of-extinction-due-to-climate-change/101047600
    The emperor, the world’s largest penguin and one of only two penguin species endemic to Antarctica, gives birth during the Antarctic winter and requires solid sea ice from April through to December to nest fledgling chicks.
    If the sea freezes later or melts prematurely, the emperor family cannot complete its reproductive cycle.

    This has happened at the Halley Bay colony in the Weddell Sea, the second-largest Emperor penguin colony, where for three years all the chicks died.

    Sounds bad. What do the satellites and weather bureaus say? All charts available from the Southern Hemisphere section here http://globalcryospherewatch.org/state_of_cryo/seaice/

    •🛰 View “JAXA-NiPR Ice Trend”, the 4th chart in the table.
    (Their web page seems to be broken, so some manual steps required. Right click the image for “JAXA-NiPR Ice Trend” and view the image in a new window.)
    The minimum sea ice extent has been particularly low this year, yet was right around average the previous two years, so the annual minimum doesn’t quite explain the chilled chicks. But remember that minimum happens in February, and the prime penguin timeframe is April to December, so we really have to look at multiple years overlaid on the same x-axis.

    •🛰 View “NSIDC Ice Extent Tracker”, the 3rd chart in the table.
    Again we see 2022 was a bad year for sea ice. However the previous year, 2021, which was also allegedly a bad year for expectant Emperors, was either at or above the 30 year average from April to the end of that chart. It frustratingly ends well before December, so move on to the next chart which has the full year.

    •🛰 View “OSI SAF Ice Extent Tracker”, the 2nd chart in the table.
    This is interesting only for showing that 2017 was worse than 2022 has been so far.

    •🛰 View the “JAXA-NiPR Ice Extent Tracker”, the 1st chart in the table.
    Again, 2022 looks to be a bad start for flightless families. But what an interesting story in the 4 earlier grey decadal averages. You have to look closely to see that there are 4 different dot-dashed lines, they are so similar they are almost on top of each other. There is barely any decadal trend in southern sea ice here. With no apparent hemispherical trend it is beginning to look like the plucky penguins probabilistically picked a poor place to procreate. Yet still we must explain the plight of the poor penguins. Where exactly is the Weddell Sea anyhow? It is the body of water east of the peninsula. So what’s up in the Weddell?

    Luckily NSIDC also make more detailed geographical charts of sea ice trends, so we can narrow down the origins of this tuxedo tragedy, but we must leave globalcryospherewatch and fossick in the NSIDC FTP site until we find this map: ftp://sidads.colorado.edu/DATASETS/NOAA/G02135/south/monthly/images/12_Dec/S_12_trend_hires_v3.0.png
    The trend for changes in December sea ice in the Weddell is all over the place, with some areas losing ice and some gaining ice. Perhaps more loss than gain by eye, but it is not clear at first glance. It’s not the southern hemisphere and it’s not the Weddell Sea in general that have had ice deficits, so it matters exactly where in the Weddell Sea this incident occurred.

    So where exactly is Halley Bay? Its Wikipedia page carries this gem:

    The original ice bay was transitory and no longer exists although other bays in the same area keep reforming and breaking off as the shelf calves into icebergs. The location contains a 177 ha site which has been designated an Important Bird Area (IBA) by BirdLife International because it supported a breeding colony of about 22,500 emperor penguins (estimated from 2009 satellite imagery) [1] although as of 2019 the colony has dispersed due to repeated failure of the sea ice.[2]

    [Ref 2]=”Massive penguin colony disappears as birds march south. Untimely break-up of sea ice triggered the birds’ relocation.”

    What what what? How can they be having a hard time in Halley Bay this year if… they already left Halley bay years ago…?

    Oh.

    Well played, Reuters, well played.
    • Only now do I realise the news article doesn’t even say which 3 years were the contiguous years of insufficient ice, leaving you to assume that it had been the most recent 3 years, leading to a wild goose chase to explain the unexplainable.
    • From marineornithology.org we find publication id 1178 being a paper “Blood parameters of Emperor Penguin Aptenodytes forsteri chicks at their northernmost Antarctic colony” co-authored by the one and the same Marcela Libertelli, and published in 2016. As the only first-person source for the Reuters article, her stories of the penguin plight cover the 4 years leading up to the colony’s migration in 2019, which supports the conclusion…
    • This wasn’t even news, as the multiyear ice failure had already happened prior to 2019, and based on the antarctic sea ice minimums graph, was probably the years 2017, `18, and `19.
    The penguins had already found a solution to their problem, they waddled closer to the pole where the sea ice was more stable.
    The headline comes from climate projections, not from recent events. The adaptability of Emperor penguins is still being studied even after it was amply demonstrated. Yet the required foregone conclusion had to be published.

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      Ronin

      The plucky penguins plight forced them to waddle from Weddell to procreate perniciously on the peninsular.

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    RicDre

    Report: 1 in 4 Electric Vehicle Charging Stations in San Francisco Out of Order

    One in four public electric vehicle charging stations in the San Francisco Bay Area does not work, according to a new study.

    The report, produced by David Rempel of the University of California at Berkeley, suggested that while California — especially the Bay Area — is trying to make the shift to electric vehicles in a hurry, the current infrastructure is not ready.

    The San Francisco Chronicle, reporting on the study results, notes that it did not include Tesla vehicle charging stations in its survey, since those are only usable to drivers who own Tesla vehicles.

    https://www.breitbart.com/environment/2022/05/08/report-1-in-4-electric-vehicle-charging-stations-in-san-francisco-dont-work/

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    Richard+Ilfeld

    Mindless environmentalism at work:
    Snail darter redux; or how the greens are ruingin life for us all in hidden corners of the government:
    From the Wall Street Journal


    Here’s a hard political reality behind high energy prices: It has become nearly impossible to build a natural gas pipeline in the U.S. Consider West Virginia’s Mountain Valley pipeline, which has come under a relentless siege by green groups and activists in judicial robes. While more than 90% complete, the pipeline is in danger of getting cancelled.

    The 304-mile interstate pipeline aims to deliver natural gas from Appalachia’s Marcellus and Utica shale deposits to the mid- and south-Atlantic regions. A pipeline shortage has reduced the incentive for drillers to produce more natural gas. Yet states in the mid- and south Atlantic desperately need more gas as their populations grow.

    Federal regulators have signed off on most of Mountain Valley’s environmental permits, but greens have filed lawsuits at every turn. Oddly, their repeated challenges keep landing before the same Fourth Circuit three-judge panel of Roger Gregory, James Wynn and Stephanie Thacker even though cases are supposed to be assigned to judges at random.

    These same three judges also blocked a permit for the Atlantic Coast Pipeline, only to be overruled by a 7-2 Supreme Court majority in 2020. A few weeks later, Duke Energy and Dominion Energy cancelled the pipeline, blaming exploding costs, delays and uncertainty from future litigation. They probably saw what was happening to Mountain Valley.

    The three judges keep nit-picking Mountain Valley’s environmental analyses. Each time the company rolls the boulder up the mountain, the judges roll it back down. The protections for endangered species are never good enough. For instance, although the panel found only minor fault with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service’s study of logperch and candy darter in streams, the judges in February vacated the agency’s entire biological opinion. Yet they declined to address several other liberal groups’ complaints, inviting them to raise the points in a subsequent challenge to a new biological opinion.

    The Mountain Valley pipeline is nearly 95% complete, and most of the remaining work relates to stream and wetland crossings, national forest lands, and final environmental restoration that require federal and state permits. This last 5% could take years since green groups have now also asked the Fourth Circuit to block permits issued by West Virginia and Virginia.

    If the pipeline isn’t complete by October 2022, and on current course it won’t be, its developers will have to ask the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission to extend its Certificate of Public Convenience and Necessity. Green groups will surely challenge the extension.

    Mountain Valley was supposed to start operating in 2018, but it may never do so. Its costs have ballooned to $6.6 billion from $3.8 billion as a result of the litigation. After the Fourth Circuit’s latest decision, MVP investor NextEra announced an $800 million impairment charge—which followed a $1.5 billion writedown in 2020—and that it is reevaluating its investment.

    “As a result of [our] evaluation, it was determined that the continued legal and regulatory challenges have resulted in a very low probability of pipeline completion,” NextEra said. Its political opponents are ecstatic. “The MVP is not inevitable,” the Sierra Club gloats.

    Mountain Valley’s Sisyphean struggle will surely discourage new pipeline investment, which is needed to increase U.S. liquefied natural gas exports and provide reliable power. Why are progressives and judges assisting Vladimir Putin’s leverage over the world’s natural gas market?

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    another ian

    “Claim: World’s Ocean Is Losing Its Memory Under Global Warming”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/05/08/claim-worlds-ocean-is-losing-its-memory-under-global-warming/

    It starts

    “Using future projections from the latest generation of Earth System Models, a recent study published in Science Advances found that most of the world’s ocean is steadily losing its year-to-year memory under global warming.”

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    another ian

    Having another two bob’s worth

    “Klaus Schwab expounds on his role in the global governance of your life.”

    https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2022/05/klaus-schwab-expounds-on-his-role-in-the-global-governance-of-your-life.html

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    Robber

    Why oh why does Australia now rank #10 in the world for most active Covid cases, yet seems it is no longer news?

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      It keeps appearing on the media with exactly that comment… why is this not news.

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      Hanrahan

      To answer the first bit, an infection delayed was never going to mean an infection avoided UNLESS the Fauci juice worked. Such an infection rate is proof positive that it doesn’t.

      Why it isn’t news is more subtle. Maybe the news tellers know the above as well as I do and rather than tell the truth they say nothing at all. If you can’t spin it ignore it.

      I find it odd that football teams can have two or three players out one week [they would not be playing if they had the flu either] and be full strength again the next. This is how it should be anyway.

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      Hanrahan

      According to NemWatch Vic is getting ZERO from wind. [SA hardly better] That’s been days of wind drought. Impossible to build, or charge, batteries to make up for that.

      Why isn’t that news?

      My unlinked post below was supposed to attach to this also.

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    KP

    Mainstream evidence the vaccines are causing heart attacks-

    Did this one make it here?? I think I saw something on it the other day..

    “Israeli Study Finds Emergency Cardiac Events Associated With mRNA Vaccination”

    https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2022/05/guy-hatchard-israeli-study-finds.html

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    el+gordo

    Political Science

    ‘The Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet has been accused of interfering in public science agencies by claiming caretaker mode should delay the release of crucial data about coral bleaching on the Great Barrier Reef.

    ‘Last week The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age reported that the results from aerial surveys of the location and severity of coral bleaching had been delayed and were “not likely to go out now until after the election”. (SMH)

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