The Australian has been busy exposing how the supposedly grassroots anti-coal groups in Australia are being funded by the US and with the full knowledge and approval of John Podesta who used to be a special counselor to Barak Obama and is now Hillary’s campaign chairman. Thanks to Wikileaks for the info.
Restrictions needed on overseas charities funding legal battles
The US money was designed to bankroll a strategy developed five years ago by green activists to “stop Australia’s coal export boom”.
The focus of these efforts was to “run legal challenges that delay, limit or stop all of the major infrastructure projects (mines, rail and ports)”.
A particular priority was to stop the Adani coalmine in central Queensland that would employ up to 10,000 Australians and provide high energy, low impurity coal to India, where 300 million people still do not have access to electricity.
And Hillary wants us to believe that Trump is “risky” and “unpredictable” for foreign relations? This kind of industrial sabotage is a good way to hobble the competition — though playing mean and deceitful with your dedicated allies usually works better if done from secure computers, eh? For Hillary it’s such cosmic bad luck that she keeps employing people who brag about deplorable, dishonorable and even criminal actions in emails and on video. A pack of cheats. Naturally she’ll sack the lot of them, and make it clear to US donors that this sort of thing is never to happen again: “Think of the children in India”.
This seems an apt moment to remind people that most voters think that Hillary’s greatest achievement was to be Secretary of State. Hmm.
The emails show that the funders included the Sandler Foundation, the Sea Change Foundation, the Tilia Fund, the Growald Family Fund and the Flora Family Foundation.
In other words, the legal challenges have not come from Mackay, Bowen or Townsville or from local landholders.
Instead they have come from Boston, Boulder and Berkeley from vanity pose foundations uninterested in the double digit unemployment rates in northern Queensland towns or energy access in India.
Green activists keep looking more and more like useful idiots for big money, and in this case, for foreign interests. These are true international grade suckers who help to keep people unemployed in Australia, and keep millions of children in poverty in India while they try to stop the sea rising with windmills.
Brendan Pearson notes:
A legitimate question is this: Did Podesta actively support, co-ordinate, condone or encourage this effort while in the White House?
We give him the benefit of the doubt.
The Adani mine is hoping to be a 40 year project. If Australia doesn’t dig up this coal, India will have to buy lower quality coal from elsewhere, or dig up their own, and that will produce up to 30% more CO2 (as well as increasing real pollution).
Green activists must not usurp national sovereignty
The Australian Editorial: Australia’s reputation as a reliable source for investment is on the line. For that reason, but also in the interests of our balance of trade, federal and state budgets and 200 million poor people in remote Indian villages in urgent need of power, Australian governments must not allow their authority to be abrogated by green activists across the Pacific, in inner-urban areas of Australia or elsewhere. As Tony Abbott said before he lost the prime ministership, the rules covering environmental groups delaying major mining projects through the courts should be tightened. The Turnbull government needs to act sooner rather than later to prevent vexatious litigation holding up vital projects.
In their quasi-religious zeal to rid the world of fossil fuels, green activists have elevated themselves, in their own narrow minds and those of their followers, to infallibility status (egged on, ironically, by Pope Francis’s flawed climate change encyclical, Laudato Si). But their arguments against the Adani project are morally and economically bankrupt and would confine millions of people to poverty and filth.
Bad cooking and heating fuels (like dung) cause smoke damage and leads to 4 or 5 million deaths each year.
India is not happy.
Coal activists risk driving India away
Dennis Shanahan, Michael McKenna
A highly orchestrated, secretly foreign-funded group of Australian environmental activists opposing the $16 billion Adani coalmine in Queensland has “dampened” Indian investment interest in Australia and received heated criticism from the federal Coalition and Queensland Labor governments.
Indian Power Minister Piyush Goyal told The Australian yesterday the years of legal challenges to the vast Carmichael coal project, now revealed to have been funded by multi-million-dollar foundations in the US, “will certainly dampen future investments” from India.
The Australian has several articles (probably paywalled).
Look closer at anti-coal groups
Green lobby plays hardball but economics still king
Activists must respect sovereignty
The warmists who love to play Green,
Are on fuels from fossils most keen,
As they happily get,
On board any jet,
Which for them, just like us, is routine.
— Ruairi
The corruption in politics and science is beyond our worse nightmares.
https://thehornnews.com/mystery-behind-wikileaks-shutdown-thickens/
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Here are official galley proofs of the information frightened world leaders hid from the public for 80 yrs https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10640850/WHAT_CONTROLS_HUMAN_DESTINY.pdf
Oliver, please don’t hijack threads at the top with off topic material. This belongs on the unthreaded. Not here. – Jo
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That link cannot be read.
—Oliver has replied but it will not appear until he takes it to the bottom of the thread. No more here. Thank you. — Jo
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The funding of green activist groups is not just “individuals concerned about the environment”, that is a perception perpetuated by the likes of Greenpeace and Friends of the Earth.
In reality, these organisations are mostly funded by greenie billionaires, ecoloons controlling government NGOs and more recently and not surprisingly Russian entities, whose sole interest is supporting Putin’s economic and strategic agenda.
From fracking in the UK to building coal mines in Australia, there is a global movement, masquerading as a crusade against carbon, where economically rational projects are demonised by the irresistible magnet for the gullible of, “Let’s save the planet.”
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What is the phrase when someone undermines the govt of a country to bring it down?
Is it “Sedition”?
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I think that’s called a “revolution”, actually. You probably need to ask a Frog, since they go in for revolutions about three times a week.
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Trump’s election might avoid a revolution. We need a peacemaker to assure crooked scientists and politicians that they will not be prosectuted if the lies end now without further damage to society.
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No,I want them “ALL” in jail for what they have perpetrated.Nothing less will do.
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That is not is society’s best interest.
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Nah. I’d go with the first one. Unlike the Frogs at the time, this government is still relatively beneficial and stable.
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Depends on where you sit, I agree that the present government is self-serving.
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Frog is not acceptable. Its French or, at a pinch, cheese-eating surrender monkey.
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The words sabotage and traitor fits in too.
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From about 1970 onwards the Australian mining industry has been under sustained attack by green activists aided and abetted by the taxpayer funded Australian Broadcasting Corporation. We have seen sustained campaigns against bauxite mining in the southwest of Western Australia, against any sort of uranium mining, once again especially in Western Australia, campaigns against coal mining, campaigns against oil and gas exploration. We have had the stupid blocking of Coronation Hill in the Northern Territory because Bob Hawke wanted to regain some “cred” with his activist son. We also have had campaigns against reliable and cheap electricity generation derived from the burning of coal or gas. The regulatory burden faced by the mining and exploration industries, especially in relation to environmental approvals has also increased exponentially.
The net benefit for the environment hasn’t been really all that much because most of the environmental degradation in Outback Australia has been caused by cloven-hoofed animals
Yet, despite all the obstacles thrown by these bigoted activists, our great resource industries have continued to grow further underpinning our prosperity, our great lifestyle, and vibrant and ever evolving democracy. I hope this latest set of clowns, and their foreign paymasters, get their comeuppance through the development of the Galilee Basin coal deposits.
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“Green” NGO’s are only proof that wherever you go, there will be politicians to be bought and people to be screwed. When governments don’t clamp down on an NGO when it starts to actually push programs that harm the people of the nation, then you have to look at who in the government is in the pockets of those that are funding the NGO. There are a class of people that seem to be hell bent on destroying the world of others that are just trying to get by. Sadly, they seem to have way to much influence since they have way too much disposable income to spend on buying politicians.
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“Politicians are like nappies. They should be changed often and for the same reason”
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Taking into account how man’s activities affect the environment in which we all live is, at least to me, something we should obviously do. We all want to both live better and not destroy the environment. The intersection of these two admirable goals is so large, however, as to invite chicanery–i.e., promoting one’s own interests by claiming to “save the environment.” I believe that for the most part, the “green movement” is just one example in a long line of such chicanery. Whether it’s invoking the endangered species act to stop construction of a bridge near your home or getting rich buying energy credits ostensibly to save the polar bears, scoundrels will try to play on your guilt to their personal advantage. I guess I’m a pessimist but it seems to me it’s always been that way, and always will be that way. Harry Truman’s “show me”; Ronald Reagan’s “trust but verify”; the Royal Society’s “take nobody’s word for it” are good thoughts to live by.
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I am an environmentalist too. The sad fact is that consensus scientists have destroyed the credibility of their own profession by accepting public funds to deceive the public.
The oldest profession is more honorable than that!
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“Agriculture is the oldest profession – even older than the one you’re thinking of”. Louis Bromfield
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I wasn’t a farmer but I recognized BS forty-one years ago (in 1975), when University of Chicago scientists invented superheavy elements out of thin air to hide reality from the public:
See: “Strange xenon, extinct super-heavy elements, and the solar neutrino puzzle,” Science 195, 208-210 (1977) http://www.omatumr.com/archive/StrangeXenon.pdf
Since this is off topic, can people please respond to this theme lower in the thread not at #2 – Jo
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I doubt very much that that is true.
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Agriculture is only about 10,000 years old. The burnt stick. The fertile crescent. The plough. The wheel. Domestication of large animals other than the dog. That is why people are talking about paleo diets, diets before agriculture so few grains. Carnivores. However you may be right in that professions did not exist either, as societies really only had hunters and gatherers. Warriors, merchants, manufacturers, artisan classes did not exist. There was nothing much to trade, except people and favours.
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TdeF
Remember the rules – I’m only the quoter!
First heard as an ag student in first geology lecture early 1960’s – from the lecturer
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And if the traded people provided the favours for food and shelter – you get the oldest profession.
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I´m also concerned about our environment, and I think most skeptics are, but right now, I´m more concerned about various kinds of corruption of rational thought and its influence on governments.
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S or F
And that corruption is doing nothing good for the environment either
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All scientists are skeptics. When the very loose arguments about man made global warming are made, they lack any actual science beyond ‘everyone knows’ and ‘its obvious’. With arguments like that most physics would not exist.
Even worse, the idea that climates are changed by CO2 are just silly if temperature does not change. There is no science argument to disprove because there is no actual science argument behind man made Climate Change.
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I will not stand for socialism masquerading as environmentalism – Prime Minister Tony Abbott 2015
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Yes, and so he had to go.
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Reed
FYI
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2016/10/how-we-can-prin.html
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How about bruja mentirosa Clinton?
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If activists respected sovereignty, they wouldn’t be Activists. Duhh…
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Not “Duhh”, at all. By definition, activists lobby for change within the current system, including those systems that are anchored by the concept of a Sovereign Monarch.
It is revolutionaries, who seek to change the whole system, and build it anew from the ground up.
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The Indian government has no respect for green activists.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/06/greenpeace-activist-barred-entering-india-150608091408015.html
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“The Indian government has no respect for green activists.”…. Neither have I, nor should anyone else!
Such ratbags should be confined to off shore mental institutions where our kids cannot have their heads filled with their Marxist/Totalitarian insanities.
Hitlery can join them in a straight jacket…her true calling… how dare a criminal loony such as her is allowed to run for president.
“We came, We saw, He died…hehehehe!” … yea, real presidential material.
This is the Leftoids number one choice… the liar in chief…says something about the morons she represents to vote for such a dud.
Proposed leader of the free world = Kookoo.
The Donald for Pres. Hitlery for Jail along with ‘Slick Willy’.
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This is exactly the same situation as the opposition to new pipelines and oil sands development in Canada. The “grass roots” protests are being organised and funded by wealthy U.S. groups such as the Tides Foundation with links to, among others David Rockefeller.
Vancouver’s Vivian Krause is doing a good job of exposing this scam:
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Okay to quote news article? A highly orchestrated, secretly foreign-funded group of Australian environmental activists opposing the $16 billion Adani coalmine in Queensland has “dampened” Indian investment interest in Australia and received heated criticism from the federal Coalition and Queensland Labor governments.
Indian Power Minister Piyush Goyal told The Australian yesterday the years of legal challenges to the vast Carmichael coal project, now revealed to have been funded by multi-million-dollar foundations in the US, “will certainly dampen future investments” from India.
Federal ministers and the Queensland Premier, Annastacia Palaszczuk, have warned of the danger posed by activists to jobs and investment, and questioned the links between the Australian groups, through their US funders, to the chairman of Hillary Clinton’s Democratic election campaign, John Podesta.
After meeting Mr Goyal, federal Resources Minister Matt Canavan, who has previously criticised the campaign to block the Indian project, said: “We need to be able to take advantage of the demand for coal in Asia.” http://www.republicofmining.com/2016/10/24/foreign-funded-anti-coal-activists-risk-driving-india-away-by-dennis-shanahan-and-michael-mckenna-the-australian-october-24-2016/
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what’s it all about? This: https://balance1010.wordpress.com/2016/10/24/a-draconian-15-year-master-plan-for-the-planet-agenda-2030/
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In a nutshell these Green activists are traitors to their country and to the cause of environmentalism.
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Mercenary is the term I prefer.
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A mercenary is a person who is paid to do something dangerous, or difficult, or unpalitable, on behalf of somebody else. It is a valid profession, although having it shown on your passport tends to slow your progress through customs. Every self-employed consultant you meet, is technically a mercenary.
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I absolutely agree. The eco protesters are being paid to do a job that any informed, clear thinking member of the population would find distasteful.
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Eco TERRORISTS……..
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Even the US govt’s 2016 EIA report tells us that co2 emissions will increase by 34% by 2040. See page 3 at this link.
Dr Hansen was right Paris COP 21 was just BS and fra-d. And don’t forget that OZ emits just 1.3% of global emissions.
https://www.eia.gov/pressroom/presentations/sieminski_05112016.pdf
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Rising carbon dioxide is making the Earth GREENER: Extra plant growth caused by greenhouse gases could cover the USA twice
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3557905/Rising-carbon-dioxide-making-Earth-GREENER-Extra-plant-growth-greenhouse-gas-cover-USA-twice.html
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The three articles above are reproduced here:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/90071372/WikiLeaks-GreenActivists-Adani.pdf
[minor editing to remove links, metadata, html tags]
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many thanx.
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In other words,business as usual from Gang Green.
Oddly a short time ago, different era, these activities where seen as foreign economic attack and the internal useless idiots were seen as traitors.
Another example of,when the democrats do it it is no crime.
But if you do it,straight to jail.
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Thermalization explains why CO2 (or any other ghg which does not condense in the atmosphere) has no significant effect on climate. (Thermalization results from interaction of atmospheric gas molecules according to the well understood Kinetic theory of gases. A smidgen of quantum mechanics helps in understanding that ghg molecules absorb only specific wavelengths of terrestrial electromagnetic radiation)
http://globalclimatedrivers2.blogspot.com
The ‘war on coal’ switch to natural gas has no effect on temperature but increases water vapor. The unintended consequence is added rain which increases the risk of flooding.
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Dan,
I agree, but not for just a smidgen. This Earth’s tropopause remains ‘thermalized’ by the combination of convection and thermal lapse, induced and maintained by Earth’s Gravitational Field, just like atmospheric pressure and density.
Because of that lower temperature gradient (slope) the whole troposphere remains at temperatures above those of Kirchhoff’s radiative equilibrium. All of Earth’s atmospheric molecules thus radiate more EM flux to space than they can absorb from below. It is the atmosphere’s EM radiative exitance to space, not that claimed from the surface, that keeps the surface temperature low enough for survival, especially the vast exitance from the poles. Perhaps more later.
All the best! -will-
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Welcome to the club.
American funded activist groups have brought resource development in Canada to a standstill.They prevented the Keyston XL pipeline from being built to Texas,while the U.S. has built thousands of miles of pipelines in that time.Billionaire American Foundations have stopped our Northern Gateway pipeline,which would have taken our Alberta oil sands product to China.
Our Canada East pipeline to the Atlantic ports has been stopped by Soros-funded activists,and our Kinder Morgan pipeline to Vancouver has been stopped. Our LNG pipelines have met so much American-funded activist resistance, it’s years overdue and will probably never be built.
We have billions of tons of coal we can’t ship,and all our oil is land locked,to be sold to the USA at bargain prices,way less than the world market.
We are resource rich,and our dollar is is at 75 cents U.S. American billionaire funded activist groups have made us poor.
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Don, thanks for that perspective. Ouch!
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Don
I was up with Tides etc activities via SDA and others
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Don Morris,
Most US peons do not want a huge Keyston XL pipeline leaking Alberta toxic crap into the Ogallala Aquifer! Please move one of the seven heavy Huston refineries, that need no external power, to Alberta. Ship only good stuff, with no leaks, elsewhere. Leave the Alberta crap in Alberta!
All the best! -will-
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Don’t worry Don your government could convert the land to National Parks and protect the land for future generations.
It’s working here in Australia.
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The ringmaster general —
G. Soros, global funder of so many NGOs that neither Russia nor India, and a few other nations will not tolerate. Big friends of Clinton and their foundation.
So why does Hitllery dislike Russia so much again?
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When is the penny going to drop such that socialism and extreme Islamic terrorism have a lot in common – ie, the rejection and deliberate destruction of Western civilisation as we know it (or perhaps more accurately as we knew it)? Only their methods are different.
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I was planning to establish a cave real estate business until it was pointed out to me that extremist Greens have already banned them from human occupation.
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‘extremist greens’….is there any other kind?
extremist in this case is akin to a silent vowel…always present, just not pronounced!
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WWI was the last feudal war.
It resulted in the rise of nation states.
From Downton Abbey to the UN.
We had to be saved from nuclear Armageddon.
With the Cold War over the UN could be retasked.
The aristocracy seized the chance to reclaim power by saving us from climate Armageddon.
Same guano, different century.
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Another Greece? Financial hari kiri…..
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-23/spain-aiming-for-100pc-renewable-energy-company-director-says/7957738
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Had to giggle…..
From same article:
“One argument is, while wind is cheap, there will always be the need for backups — because wind is unpredictable and keeping other power sources, like Spain’s nuclear power stations, operational is costly.”
“But Acciona executives disputed those criticisms and director for the Asia-Pacific region Javier Montes said countries should not be discouraged from setting high renewable energy targets.”
“Properly managed, there should be no issues with that. The examples in Europe show that,” Mr Montes said.
“The one thing going in Spain’s favour is that the electrical system has been built with the goal of making it very reliable and able to take very heavy knocks with extreme weather events or major technical failures.”
These people clearly dont understand power systems engineering , or , follow the “the beatings will continue until morale improves” school of lunatic thought…..
Is it just me, or do we have a real crisis in every country where the Hand of Madness has taken control and govts are willingly gulping down the kool aid as fast as they can make it?
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Remind them what happened to the Spanish solar power industry when subsidies came off. I’d guess the sun shines more regularly in Spain than the wind blows.
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The warmists who love to play Green,
Are on fuels from fossils most keen,
As they happily get,
On board any jet,
Which for them, just like us, is routine.
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These American so-called “private charities” or so-called NGO’s (non-governmental organizations) have been instrumental in overturning governments in Europe and elsewhere.
The groundwork for the so-called Maidan Revolution was prepared for over 20 years by them in Ukraine. They infiltrated many organisations – including the schools and universities. They changed the history books to reflect the dominant story in the West – that the USA liberated Europe while the role of the Soviet Union is scarcely mentioned.
I could go on, but anyone with half a brain will understand that these organisations are malicious, disruptive and profoundly undemocratic. They should be exposed and banned.
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In the US we are supposed to have a ‘Republic’ per Plato, not a ‘democracy’ per other greek idiots. The original US constitution sets it up! States get together to form an agreed upon ‘institution’ that:
1. Delivers the mail!
2. Keeps foreign enemies out of my yard!
3. Leaves ‘me’ (states and individuals) alone!
4. ONLY!
Unfortunately the US Constitution allows the ‘institution’ to ‘amend’, rather than the states to agree to amend somehow!
Plato knew this would not be easy. Powers oppose! Time to introduce the original, with States, not populous, choosing Senators, and the wonderful Electoral College (EC) where any member can be elected President by ‘only’ the members of that 2 week college, and in second place by the same vote was the Vice-president, without any reference to political party or other NGO!
It was that invention of EC that forced the executive branch to be no more than a 2 week beat out of now 535 locals with only 2 survivors. The two very best to beat congress into doing something, anything, useful! Rinse repeat every 4 years.
This US has 3,200,000 willing to be elector for two weeks or die trying! How does any or all NGOs get to brainwash all 3,200,000 locals?
All the best! -will-
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Sorry, 320,000,000 peons, most of them armed!
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Maybe someone should tell the “Colleges”of the consequences should they give”The Hilderbeast”the nod.There”Will”be a lot of very pi$$ed off people looking for their scalps.Pichforks,torch’s and “Tar and Feathers”will be very popular,me-thinks.
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Some would argue that they ARE democratic, in that they are supposedly supported by donors acting voluntarily.
If that were the case it highlights the underlying flaw in a democracy.
If sheeple are so complacent, so disinterested, so distracted by gadgets, so ill-informed and so gullible as to be swayed by paranoiac propaganda, then we get what we’ve got.
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read all:
23 Oct: NDTV India: PTI: Greenpeace Sought US Help Over India’s Funding Rules On NGOs: WikiLeaks
http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/greenpeace-sought-us-help-over-indias-funding-rules-on-ngos-wikileaks-1478055
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***MUST-WATCH FROM THE PRIMARIES. WHEN U HEAR DEMS STRONG IN EARLY VOTING TURNOUT, THINK OF THIS, BECAUSE NO-ONE IS ABLE TO SAY WHO EARLY VOTERS ARE VOTING FOR:
VIDEO: 2mins31secs: CNN: Official: Blue-collar Democrats flocking to Trump
Erin Burnett Out Front
Ohio election officials say that more than half of all early voting on the GOP side is from voters who were recently Democrats or Independents. CNN’s Martin Savidge reports.
http://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/03/14/democrats-supporting-donald-trump-ohio-voters-dnt-savidge-erin.cnn
pro-Trump folks love the poll analysis by Mitchell, who has plenty to say about the absurd ABC ***TRACKING poll all over the MSM today.
Twitter Bill Mitchell (Pro-Trump Talk Show Host)
RELEVANT TWEETS SINCE ABC ***TRACKING POLL WITH CLINTON AHEAD 12 POINTS HIT THE MSM OVERNITE:
Just a wake-up call. There were 7 million FEWER Democrats that voted in the 2016 Primary than the 2008 primary…
For comparison, by this time in 2012, RCP polls were within 3 point of each other. They are now within 13 points of each other…BS
These fake polls have Hillary winning men, winning Independents by a mile. I’m sorry, those two alone are simply bullsh*t…
Independents hate lying, big government, corporate influence and corruption. Given all of these describe Hillary exactly, she’s losing I’s…
This race will come down to who is really WINNING Independents. Half the pollsters say Trump big, half say Hillary big…
Have you noticed all of Hillary’s rallies lately are on college campuses where professors are mandating attendance?…
One common thread to every poll showing Hillary winning – HUGE oversamples of groups favorable to her…
3 new national polls today with trump winning: IBD, PPD and LATimes…
I believe there were 9 new state and national polls today with trump leading…
***Another huge discrepancy ABC has Clinton +8 with Independents, but IBD has Trump +16 with Ind. That’s a 24 point difference …
If IBD’s internals are correct, Trump is up by a lot more than 2…
Trump is leading in 4 major national polls right now. Just in case you didn’t know…
Not only do these polls oversample Democrats, they oversample STRONG Democrats over strong Republicans by 8 to 10 points…
Pundits making a big deal of slightly lower R turnout in early voting but ignoring the corresponding EXPLOSION in Independent early voting…
4 major polls now have Trump winning: IBD, PPD, Rasmussen and LATimes. Media ignores them all despite at least 3 being among most accurate…
Even with a ridiculous D+0 to D+8 reweighting, IBD, most accurate poll of last 3 elections, has Trump +2. In reality, +8….
The media pollsters are predicting a far greater defeat of Trump than Obama enjoyed in 2008. Obama rallies, 70,000. Hillary rallies, 300…
***The entire purpose of the ABC ***tracking poll is to offset LATimes, Rasmussen and IBD in the RCP ***average…
Pretty much every internal and demo of the ABC poll is complete dreck. Sorry, garbage poll…
***Question. In the history of US Politics, has anyone launched a “brand new ***tracking poll” just two weeks before the election?…
So we have 2 “scientific polls”. In one, Hillary wins men by 3. In the other, Trump wins men by 24. Both scientific…
Guess what? In the new bogus ABC ***tracking poll, Hillary WINS MEN by 3! Funny, IBD says Trump wins men by 24 points. See what I mean?…
***This new garbage ABC poll is a ***tracking poll, not the WAPO/ABC poll…
What are chances every talk show this morning will tout the bogus new ABC ***tracking poll and ignore IBD?…
Look at the internals of the IBD poll. The only thing keeping this from being an 8 point Trump lead is their reweighting from D+0 to D+8…
https://twitter.com/mitchellvii
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Hundreds of Trump signs everywhere where I live in upstate NY. In the last two weeks I have driven about 600 miles to different places, including almost to the tip of Long Island, I have seen 4 signs for Clinton. Trump draws huge crowds of enthusiastic supporters. He consistently out performed by 10 percentage points or more in the primaries, over the poll numbers. I am confident he will win. For the sake of this nation, and now for my Australian friends, I hope he wins. A Kaine rally last week drew 50 people! A Pence rally draws more people that Clinton rally, and she only has one rally per week!
There is no way the Democrat turn out will be the same as in the last 2 cycles. Obama drew many voters from the black community. About a quarter of the delegates walked out in disgust at the Democratic convention. They were replaced by paid actors.
Also do a twitter search #Hillarybecause Ninety percent of the respondents add the word never in front of it.
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The Wikileaks dumps outlines how Podesta has manipulated the polls, and the MSM gobble it up.
The extent to which the system is corrupt boggle the mind.
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Unboggle your mind —
When thinking of politicians always imagine a circus ringmaster, card sharp, and conman/conwoman all rolled into one. Never believe a word from any politician’s mouth without verifying it. A politician only promotes anything with a beneficial ulterior motive.
When questioned by pollsters always lie, and tell them that you will lie. It is the only time in your life when lying will actually do some good. Everyone needs politicians that have been raised to knows what is moral, cost effective, and the right and correct thing to do. You NEVER want a politician that only plays to popular opinion, the future with such people is a disaster which will ultimately cost the public dearly.
It is a rare politician who is not afraid of tough decisions but is wise enough to know when to leave things well alone when it is required.
Until proven otherwise assume all politicians are narcissistic, vainglorious, egoist feathering their own and their mates nests at public expense.
In normal western life there is only one other lifeform lower than politicians, that you may meet, and that is the bunch of immoral hirelings known as mainstream media (MSM) journalists (aka scum-of-the-earth).
Hopefully you are all unboggled now.
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GO TRUMP !!!
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An example of why the Trump vote may be much larger than the MSM polling would indicate.
http://www.silive.com/opinion/index.ssf/2016/10/colon.html
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Jones mentions WWF alarmism & Greenpeace being caught using a picture of a devastated Philippines coral reef in their scare campaign about the Great Barrier Reef. Adani, coal, tourism all mentioned:
AUDIO: 15mins15secs: 24 Oct: 2GB: Alan Jones in Cairns – Interview with Max Shepherd
Alan talks to the head of Tourism Tropical North Queensland ahead of the launch today of “Citizens of the Great Barrier Reef”
http://www.2gb.com/article/alan-jones-%E2%80%93-max-shepherd
ABC only talks to ULTRA-alarmists…and EXTREMELY TURGID talk it is…on and on and on drone Charlie and Sarah. so awful it is unlistenable. and taxpayers are funding this!
AUDIO: 50mins12secs: 19 Oct: ABC: Conversations: Coral biologist Charlie Veron: the rise and fall of the Great Barrier Reef
He says twin threats caused by humans, accelerated climate change and ocean acidification, have put the reef on the brink of complete collapse…
Dr Charlie Veron is the author of more than 100 scientific papers, and holds 3 higher degrees in science.
Charlie was the first full-time scientist at the Australian Institute of Marine Science, and became its Chief Scientist…
Listen to Charlie’s companion interview (50mins22ses) – the story of his life as told to Sarah Kanowski…
http://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/conversations/conversations-charlie-veron-corals/7927724
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A voice of sanity, never consulted
http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report-recovery-of-reef-is-possible-2266862
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National sovereignty?
Australia is a puppet state for America, and Canberra is run as a branch office for Washington. All our politicians and media suck up to American wishes. (The only PM who tried to break this habit – Whitlam – was overthrown in a coup.)
The Americans want to peddle Global Warming? It will be peddled here as well.
The Americans want to call Putin a villain? He will be called one here as well.
The American media wants to trash Trump? Our media will as well.
I’m surprised the Australian was allowed to publish this example of the American interference. Must be a power struggle somewhere in America.
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“Hillary’s greatest achievement was to be Secretary of State. Hmmn.”
Hmmn indeed. Her greatest achievement was her roll in the overthrow of the Ghaddafi regime.
Before that, Libya was a stable state with the highest standard of living in Africa, and higher than some European countries. Free education up to PhD, free medical care, free electricity, 0% loans from the state-owned bank. Libya had just completed the world’s irrigation project to bring artesian to the people.
Now a permanent civil war.
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Role, not roll.
I doubt she rolled over for the banksters who wanted to suppress the gold dinar project. She was already in their camp.
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I wonder why we stitched up Ghaddafi
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Hillary Clinton Tops Middle East Forum’s ‘Islamist Money List’
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/10/21/hillary-clinton-tops-middle-east-forums-islamist-money-list/
[Jo, Can you approve this without 18C problems?] AZ
[Sure, but no one can discuss it. That’s Free speech in Australia. – Jo]
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Role, not roll.
I doubt she rolled over for the banksters who wanted to suppress the gold dinar project. She was already in their camp.
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Sorry, Repeating myself. Comes from old age.
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“Green activists keep looking more and more like useful idiots for big money, and in this case, for foreign interests. These are true international grade suckers who help to keep people unemployed in Australia, and keep millions of children in poverty in India while they try to stop the sea rising with windmills.”
Keep repeating that, Jo. It’s a great summary.
🙂 Ta! – Jo
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“Brendan Pearson notes:
A legitimate question is this: Did Podesta actively support, co-ordinate, condone or encourage this effort while in the White House?
We give him the benefit of the doubt.”
Pearson might. I don’t.
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I actually spent $2.80 on a Sydney Morning Herald today (24/10.) To my surprise they had no mention of overseas funding for green protests!!
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LittleOil
Well point out that it is news here and ask for a refund.
At least the “Curious Snail” is only $1.50 and you get three crosswords
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Below is the top 15 coal exporters
1.Australia: US$28.4 billion (36% of total coal exports)
2.Indonesia: $16.4 billion (20.8%)
3.Russia: $9.3 billion (11.7%)
4.United States: $5.7 billion (7.2%)
5.South Africa: $4.3 billion (5.4%)
6.Colombia: $4.3 billion (5.4%)
7.Netherlands: $3 billion (3.8%)
8.Canada: $2.7 billion (3.4%)
9.North Korea: $1.1 billion (1.4%)
10.Poland: $737.2 million (0.9%)
11.Mongolia: $542.6 million (0.7%)
12.China: $498.2 million (0.6%)
13.Czech Republic: $327.9 million (0.4%)
14.Vietnam: $265.1 million (0.3%)
15.Belgium: $232.9 million (0.3%)
As you can see the USA is 4th, it would be nice if they were 3rd and when their plans with destroying the RUSSIAN economy comes to fruition………it would be nice if they were 2nd.
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Both US and Canada sit on high value local coal, not export. Australia perhaps might export some of the cheap coal stuff to stay afloat! You gots titanium, thorium, and lithium on the beaches, ready to be scooped up! Get to work!
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Will,
The greatest engineering feat ever accomplished in Australia was the building of the snowy river hydro scheme, construction started just after WW2 in an effort to stimulate employment, we have built nothing as remarkable since, I find it a constant embarrassment that we perform so poorly in this area as compared to a 3rd world country of which there are plenty in our neighbourhood.
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I agree! You inverted folk do pretty damn good.
The first Panama Canal was excellent engineering in the face of Malaria!
China with 4x the US peasants, 1.3 billion each with only a single lever Mexican backhoe, can shovel much shit, mach schnell! Their effort of building hydraulic resource for reliable electrical power generation is quite amazing!
All the best! -will-
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Why not just say that you mean New Zealand? There is no embarassment in telling it like it is. 😉
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The Poms used to say that a well-balanced Aussie had a chip on both shoulders. It seems Kiwis don’t have shoulders but imitate Aussies anyway. What with the relative performance of the two economies, which might be due to the strange (to aussie eyes) practice of having sane Prime Ministers, I would have thought your comment unnecessary. Or had you not had your first cup of caffeine at that time?
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Very astute response Graeme. New Zealand does prefer sane Prime Ministers, and a mostly non-political Public Service that lets us just get on with business.
But we are used to being “sledged” (sarcastically made the butt of jokes), by are closest neighbour, so I read Crakar24’s comment as applying to us. Perhaps I was wrong. Thank you for pulling me up over it.
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Sorry RW did not mean to offened, I was thinking of the Asian region when i wrote that and NZ never crossed my mined which in of its self was probably a non intentional sledge LOL.
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It’s almost as if the US is running corporate espionage against Australia’s interests.
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It is worrying that the USA finds it appropriate to interfere in the politics of allies other than by simple reasoning and persuasion at top level.
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Stephen,
That is the USA’s primary course of action in every foreign policy direction they take.
They smashed Iraq because Saddam wanted to create an oil burse to sell oil in any denomination barr US dollars, Libya the same, they concocted (along with Israel) a “it will only take them 3 months to build a bomb” bogga bogga against Iran for the same reasons.
When the oil embargo was finally lifted the US started to export oil for the first time in decades, OPEC ramped up production effectively flooding the market and dropping the price to record lows. The result is Venezuela now rivals Zimbabwe as an economic power house and Russia/Iran/Iran/Libya etc are all hurting financially.
The list provided in an earlier comment shows Russia is 3rd on the coal exporter list, what better way to reduce Russias export earnings by 11% than to ban coal exports………we are just collateral damage in a game of chess played out on the world stage.
My concern here is that there has never been a world chess champion from the USA.
regards
Crakar24
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here you go – not all official or American born but one was certainly both
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Morphy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Steinitz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bobby_Fischer
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OK I stand corrected GA, as usual the thrust was completely missed by the uneducated like yourself so let me explain in the most simplest of terms so that you understand.
The geo political games on display between the USA/Israel/NATO et al V Russia/China are akin to playing a game of chess, if we view these political games as a game of chess then I am afraid the US side will lose hanndsomely as I dont believe the Americans are that smart.
I hope even a simpleton could understand this explanation.
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It seems that Gee Aye does not “do” metaphor. Also, it is interesting in that the first three examples were overlooked, in making a supposed correction to the fourth.
Compulsive behaviour, much.
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Why would I correct those and why use false information in a metaphor? I think it is evident from your response that I am not the only compulsive one.
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I am not compulsive G.I. I am more sardonic.
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Also, you really should read what Crakar24 actually wrote, at #29.1.1. It was all about you.
I also recommend reading the entire thread, before commenting, as an insurance against making a fool of yourself, once again.
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Bobby Fischer?
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stop being compulsive. He was using a metaphore even if he was wrong about the information in that metaphore. That did not matter since he wrote several other things that you were required to comment on if you were to move on to the last thing. Follow the rules please.
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metaphor!
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Carmichael Mine to go ahead despite green activist objection.
https://www.australianmining.com.au/news/qld-government-boosts-carmichael-mine-development/
Massive infrastructure with due diligence is a good investment for Queensland.
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Of course. The Great Barrier Reef died so there’s no problem for Adani, now.
http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/climate-change/the-great-barrier-reef-dead-at-the-age-of-25-million-years-after-worst-mass-bleaching-on-record/news-story/7cfc567d39516a13cb09ce443a0ba75d
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Yeah that’s funny, but any suggestion of creating a wide channel through dead coral reefs might create a few problems.
Abbott Point will be the biggest coal port in the world, according to green activists who admit (reading between the lines) they have lost the battle and probably the war.
https://fightforthereef.org.au/risks/mega-ports/
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We had better mine all the “dead” coral for limestone then.
Why would the greenies object if it is supposedly all dead?
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this dead coral is not limestone. How would you go about this mining and transporting it out? Hmmm? I’d object that it would be a stupid unprofitable waste of money.
Is this a metaphor?
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It’s a mad mad mad mad world when feminists are sexually assaulted in virtual reality.
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As a Yank, Podesta and Hillary disgust me. This article is simply more proof as to why.
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As well stated by Don Morris above, there are interests that fund green groups, not because they are altruistic about the environment but to line their own pockets. In Canada a journalist Vivian Krause has taken great time and effort to document this but as per usual has been ignored by the main stream press. One of many her many posts below.
Vivian Krause: New U.S. funding for the war on Canadian oil
Tides USA letters reveal $3.2-million in payments over last few months to activists groups and environmental organizations in Canada. The objective: Create opposition to Canadian oil developments
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23 Oct: The Hindu: Varghese K. George: Greenpeace sought Hillary aide’s help to deal with Modi: Wikileaks
http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/greenpeace-sought-hillary-aides-help-to-deal-with-modi/article9258598.ece
23 Oct: BusinessStandardIndia: US-based Foundation targeted Adani’s Oz project, reveals WikiLeaks
http://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/us-based-foundation-targeted-adani-s-oz-project-reveals-wikileaks-116102200216_1.html
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Another example of international politics at play in Australia, including our taxes and borrowed monies being sent to foreign causes;
https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2016/07/gillard/
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Intent on playing politics and ignoring facts and realities generally, on the news yesterday was an item about SA hosting an electric vehicle rally. Recharging points are being installed by the Labor government, but they do not explain how the fragile state electricity grid could cope with conversion of the fossil fuel fleet to electricity.
But the loudest laugh had to be at the man from Tasmania who drove his electric car to Adelaide (I assume that he used the car ferry from Devonport to Melbourne) who remarked that electric driving travel is great, as long as the driver is prepared to stop for a while to recharge along the way a couple of times a day. He did not mention how many Hares beat him.
Oh the green world of dreamers and schemers.
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And the wizard behind the curtain?
That wouldn’t be a G. Soros?
See https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2016/09/29/soros-paid-algore-to-promote-global-warming/
and
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2016/09/18/popper-on-hegel-to-soros-to-you/
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http://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2016/01/banking-climate-hustle/
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MUST-WATCH: SOME OF THE BEST MOMENTS FROM TRUMP’S GETTYSBURG ADDRESS:
YouTube: 6mins22secs: Donald Trump amazing Gettysburg speech
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFe2C8sCRk8
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Would it not be cheaper and more importantly easier to simply pay coal mining companies a bribe to leave the coal in the ground rather than give some eco nut job a tube of selleys lock tight to they can glue their fingers to the gate of the chain wire fence bordering the mine?
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Would it not be cheaper and more importantly easier to simply pay coal mining companies a bribe to leave the coal in the ground rather than give some eco worrier a tube of selleys lock tight to they can glue their fingers to the gate of the chain wire fence bordering the mine?
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Bluntly – NO !
It’s much more fun watching them leave their fingers on the fence.
Actually, I’ve seen such an eco-warrior deliberately dangling in a duffel bag from the superstructure of a coal transport belt, crapp!ng himself in case the belt started.
And I observed a young girl who had chained herself by her neck to a large tree which had already had its’ roots dozed out during clearing. The tree was ready to topple over at any random moment, taking her head with it.
Beyond my understanding, I’m afraid.
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A mate of mine was a logger in NZ at a time when greenies were trying to lock up the forests. In their righteous zeal they smeared faeces all over the logging equipment to stop it being used, as well as chaining themselves to every tree in sight.
The contractor had a ready solution. He brought in a chopper fitted with a cyclone bucket (as used for bushfire fighting) which he ordered filled with poo from the local sewerage works. At a given signal all of the loggers moved away and left the greenies chained to their trees, when suddenly the chopper appeared and gave them all an organic shower.
Greenies turned into brownies. The police present didn’t see a thing either. True story.
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One eco worrier glued his hands to the fence at Pine gap so they just cut around his hands before throwing him in the police van. Would have taken him days to get full use of his hands again.
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There must be an opportunity for an ATO desperate to raise more tax with this information.
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One may think so, but it actually doesn’t matter where the funding is sourced (apart from Pauline Hanson’s xenophobic question: “Please explain ?”).
All Greenpeace Australia has to do is “crowd source” funding, with helicopter money then dropping from all over the globe.
The ATO of itself cannot unilaterally alter the charity status, although it would dearly love to for the tax it would gain. This would be appealed all the way to the High Court, with the MSM whining shrill and never-ending about eco-heroes being taxed for saving the planet.
When the Galilee Basin (geological location for the Adani development, as well as several others) became an exploration target about 15 years ago, we predicted that we would eventually see Greenpeace International dropping onto us from choppers. As the exploration results developed to show the tonnages, qualities and extents of the deposit, this became a certainty.
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During the start of the worst recession Australia had experienced 1990 and following years a senior mining executive was guest speaker at a federal budget breakfast gathering hosted by a leading accounting group in Sydney, Labor was in government and the PM was Paul Keating.
The executive discussed national prosperity and the adverse impact on it from various roadblocks including native title claims, sacred site claims and others. He pointed out that foreign investment was key to our future, was key to the mining industry for a very long time (and other areas of investment in Australia) and without foreign investment national prosperity would go into decline.
He said that the decline would not be noticed by the general public for about one decade but by that time we would be sliding backwards and wondering why. It takes many years to develop a mine site to production stage and investors receive no return on their investment until the mine is working, producing and exporting. So shareholders expect to recover their losses and make profits. Any delays that present are considered to be danger signs.
Too many Australians are apathetic, even ignorant.
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I attended a mining seminar at Rockhampton when Keating was Treasurer. He was also the guest speaker at the seminar.
He proffered the notion that coal mining would never become a big economic player until the global price for the raw product was equal to that of oil.
A young, and naive, not-too-much-street-smarts, geologist near the front broke up into outright laughter. By the end of the seminar he had been sacked – lost his job. Sure, the Federal Treasurer was ignorant, but look how dangerous his ignorance was.
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23 Oct: GatewayPundit: Jim Hoft: LEAKED CLINTON INTERNAL DOCUMENT: Discourage Trump Supporters with Bogus Polls and Declaring Election Over
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/leaked-clinton-internal-document-discourage-trump-supporters-bogus-polls-declaring-election/
note: Wikipedia: Nick Nuttall is the Head of Communications and Outreach and Spokesperson for the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change headquartered in Bonn, Germany. (CHECK OUT HIS FULL WIKIPEDIA PAGE)
DO NOT MISS THE CBC AUDIO – INCREDIBLE:
23 Oct: Newsbusters: P.J. Gladnick: UN Climate-Change Censor Performs as Singing Space Pixie on YouTube
Remember the haughtily officious spokesperson for the United Nations Climate Change Conference chronicled here in Newsbusters yesterday who wants to ban skeptical journalists from attending their meeting in Morocco next month? His name is Nick Nuttall and it appears he has a very bizarre side gig.
You can see him performing in the following video but a word of warning… You need to put your coffee cups down now or risk coating your computer screens with the caffeinated liquid. Are you ready? Okay, I now present to you UN spokesperson/censor and singing space pixie Nuttall entertaining you as he floats gently around in the extraterrestrial ether:
***VIDEO 4mins08secs
Okay, are we are back on planet earth again? …To get an idea of just how absurd this is, listen to the condescending tone of Nuttal’s voice as he arrogantly dismisses the notion of allowing journalists who don’t toe the party line to attend that conference….
***CBC AUDIO 7mins14secs …
Yeah, skeptical journalists that don’t act as trained seals are somehow not “appropriate,” yet singing space pixies are?
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/pj-gladnick/2016/10/23/
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Fact-Check: Yes, the Hillary Clinton Campaign Used Activists to Disrupt Trump Rallies
http://www.breitbart.com/live/third-presidential-debate-fact-check-livewire/fact-check-yes-hillary-clinton-campaign-used-activists-disrupt-trump-rallies/
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I wonder if there is a link with ABC and 4 corners?
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[…] Nova has a blog – US donors funding activists to shut down Australian mines, ports and rail, approved by Hillary’s r… Nobody there yet has referred to this stunning 2011 pdf report by the organizers that sets out […]
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Whether Australia is manipulated by the puppeteers at UN Eco-Globalist Inc. or by more parochial US interest with HRC at the helm, the distinction between the two are likely to be indiscernible. The irony is that there is no political force or will in Australia to express independence of spirit first and policy second. The flea on a gnats bottom that is New Zealand while similar is far worse because they are pure bred pecksniffians.
If Trump wins, the order of battle changes. Australia has a real chance to become independent or it will line-up behind the ensuing cacophony of squealing UN bureaucratic eco-globalists and become another member of the eco-Borg.
It will be fascinating to see whether there is anything remaining of the real Australian spirit and grit if Trump become POTUS, and whether this is strong enough to capitalize on some good deals coming from a rational US keen to mend its economy.
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OFF TOPIC
Latest data homogenisation results from NOAA say the last 16 months were all record warm months and 2016 is likely to be the warmest year EEEEVVVVVUUUURRRRR!
At what point does this become too ridiculous?
https://weather.com/news/climate/news/september-2016-global-temperature-record-noaa-nasa
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About 30 years ago. That’s how long the envionazis have been at it.
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among other things, shows MoveOn.org & Hillary Clinton payments to Zulema Rodriguez, seen in the Project Veritas videos:
21 Oct: Youtube: 6mins46secs: BUSTED! Smoking Gun Evidence Project Veritas Videos Are NOT FAKE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-R7A3Qz60tQ
first few minutes are on O’Keefe/Project Veritas videos:
VIDEO: 26mins33secs: 23 Oct: Daily Caller: Ginni Thomas: Former federal prosecutor Joe diGenova: HILLARY CLINTON COMMITTED CRIMES
Pithy former federal prosecutor Joe diGenova believes the recent Project Veritas video by James O’Keefe featuring DNC contractors explaining their dirty practices to foment violence at Trump events, is a prima facie case of federal and state criminal activity.
DiGenova says prosecutors should investigate everyone in the video, including Illinois Democrat Congresswoman Jan Schakowsky’s husband, Bob Creamer, who suddenly retired last week…
In this exclusive 26-minute video interview for The Daily Caller News Foundation, diGenova explains why many former and current FBI officials believe James Comey, the director of the FBI, is a “dirty cop.” When Comey refused to recommend prosecution of Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton for her misuse of classified government information in July after “a fake and sophomoric” investigation, he bred cynicism and tainted the premier law enforcement agency.
DiGenova discusses five takeaways from Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta’s emails released by Wikileaks. (PLUS CLINTON FOUNDATION/HAITI)
http://dailycaller.com/2016/10/22/former-prosecutor-the-clintons-are-so-corrupt-everything-they-touch-turns-to-molten-lead-video/
unbelievable that, not only has MSM pretended the Veritas videos might be fake, & not searched out evidence to prove otherwise, but no-one has been arrested! what a joke.
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Daily Caller headline I just posted is wrong; that was a youtube heading. it should be:
“Former Prosecutor: The Clintons are so corrupt, everything ‘they touch turns to molten-lead'”
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20 Oct: National Review: Robert Bryce: Big Wind Tries Voter Payola in Vermont
(Robert Bryce is a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute)
A wind-energy company is so desperate for federal subsidies, it will give part of them to citizens.
A foreign wind-energy company is in such a hurry to collect the maximum possible amount of subsidies from the U.S. Treasury that it has taken an unprecedented step: It has promised to share the federal gravy with individual voters in two Vermont towns, Grafton and Windham. Earlier this month, Spanish energy company Iberdrola announced that it plans to distribute about $565,000 per year among 815 registered voters in the two towns. The payments would continue for 25 years.
But here’s the catch: On November 8, the towns of Grafton and Windham are holding referenda to decide the fate of Iberdrola’s 82-megawatt Stiles Brook wind project. If voters reject the project, Iberdrola will pay them nothing…
If they can get started before December 31, they will get a $23-per-megawatt-hour production tax credit on the electricity produced by their projects. On January 1, that subsidy falls to about $18 per megawatt-hour. It decreases another 20 percent per year until it expires in 2019.
Iberdrola and other wind promoters may be eager to collect more federal subsidies, but they are facing lots of angry voters in Vermont.
Sue Minter, a Democrat, favors state control over siting. She’s being supported by fellow Vermonter Bill McKibben..READ ON…
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/441228/vermont-wind-energy-payments
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Cui bono?
In a world awash with oil and gas at ruinously low prices, and with the EU’s carbon price being kept in the toilet so Germany can keep buying the drinks, who would least want to see abundant use of a cheap domestic solid fuel which doesn’t involve pipeline and sea lane tensions? Likewise, who has the most reason to hate nukes? (Hint: why does Coke hate Pepsi?)
Why does that greenie Warren Buffett really oppose Keystone? Who owns the choot-choots that cart the oil now, the expensive way?
Why did Chesapeake give all those millions to Sierra for its War on Coal?
When peashooter energy sources like wind and solar need “supplementation” and “transitioning”, what does that mean? And how long will this “transition” take? Till the sun shines at night and the wind blows just right all the time?
When South Australia needs more electricity than it can get from its ludicrous whirlygigs and imported Vic power, what are the hyper-expensive fuel sources used?
Yep. Big Green is in the cot with Big Oil. Those two aren’t going to let a little mutual hatred get in the way of some hot action.
As those good ‘ol boys in Stetsons like to say as they chomp on their cee-gars: “Happy transitioning, customers!”.
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Jo,
I think we should be knocking back Non-Profit status of some of these so called “charities” PLUS taxing overseas ‘donated’ money at 100%.
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It’s not the overseas funding which is the problem, but rather how these groups gain standing to sue on behalf the environment in the first place. It’s not as if the trees appointed these groups to act as their advocates. They should have no more standing to represent the environment than I do.
If the plaints are justified, then surely this is what we have environment ministers at both state and federal level for. Let those ministers sue, not some delusional self appointed defender of the earth.
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System failure in Tennant Creek stopped rain from falling.
http://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/unrecorded-rainfall-a-dampener-on-debate-around-tennant-creek-satellite/525280
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I don’t suppose that Mr Putin is upset that a competitor for his exports is being crippled.
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One thing caught my eye in this post, the name Flora.
I know that Messrs Hewlett and Packard both have foundations in their names. One is called the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation. The Hewlett Foundation, alone, provides more funding to environmental groups in a single year than DeSmog claims the Koch’s have donated to sceptics, ever. http://www.hewlett.org/grants/?search=&search_year=2015&search_program=21943
It seems that Flora has a separate foundation that also funds environmental groups (and others). This includes grants to such luminaries as 350.org, for instance, http://www.florafamily.org/2014Grants.html and the UK Carbon Tracker Initiative.
The Flora Foundation has also financed the Growald Foundation via the Tides Foundation. I know Jo has looked at funding in the past: http://joannenova.com.au/2009/07/massive-climate-funding-exposed/ and so has Fox News.
Fox pointed out that foundations like Tides can be used as a type of “money laundering” organisation. Officially, you give money to Tides and they will distribute it as they see fit. In practice, the original donor might be able to suggest where the money should go, thus distancing themselves from the transaction by using Tides as an intermediary (allegedly!).
Also on their chart was Lehman, Goldman Sachs, Barak Obama, Large PR firms etc. I am sure it is coincidence that ex-Goldman employees now run Australia, the Bank of England and the European Central Bank, for instance.
Wheels within wheels is the tip off the iceberg as we say in cliché land.
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“I am sure it is coincidence that ex-Goldman employees now run Australia, the Bank of England and the European Central Bank, for instance.”
Yes and isn’t it also a convenient coincidence that Abbott got ousted by Mr Goldman and Sachs TurdFull just in time (just one month beforehand) for the 1000 million AUD giveaway(of borrowed money) and sign away at the Paris CAGW true b’lvers hajj pretense.
Just as Monckton predicted some 8 months earlier, along with Harper of Canada…the last 2 holdouts.
The same Goldman and Sachs international criminal banksters that Hitlery gives paid speeches to…. I’m sure for the good of the little people!
All this Crap from the ‘pontificator class’ needs to be put to an end.
Only the Donald presidency has a chance to begin the cleanout, or as he himself puts it, ‘drain the DC swamp of corruption’!
If the Donald does indeed win, there will be a lot of disgruntled big wig criminals.
He will need to defend himself well against the Ratbag Leftoids, as past history has shown!
They must be worried, or they would not be wheeling out all these 11th hour closet accusers.
Remarkably similar to CAGW ….cannot argue policy or science, so just rubbish the indivdual/s or dissenter/s.
If the Hitlery wins, the same nuts and criminals will have a stranglehold on everything, including a possible escalation to WW3.
If all else fails, they take you to war!
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Egor, Please dispense with the conspiracy allusions about Abbott’s termination, “as predicted by Monckton,” as if Men in Black quietly detained Abbott and took him away to some secret Bilderberg castle at the behest of the One World Government.
Had Abbott been a half-decent PM, he would be there still.
Maybe if he had not done nothing for several months, allowing Labor to fill the vacuum with all the terrible things he was going to do? Maybe if he had hit the ground running in a decisive manner?
Maybe if his virtual first move had not been the egregious and completely dishonest Temporary Deficit Levy – while simultaneously Abbott and Hockey declared the mountain of waste and bloat in Canberra and duplication between the three levels of government off-limits
Maybe if he had not authorised the $200 million UN Climate Fund handout – where do you think this money comes from?
Maybe if he had not shown utter gutlessness over 18C – completely caving-in to the Muslim lobby at the first whiff of grapeshot?
Maybe if he had not slapped on the $7 Medicare co-payment, when the public service/ABC were not slashed? That sort of thing can be sold only if the belt-tightening is government-wide. Why didn’t Abbott & Hockey freeze all pay rises for all government employees until the budget was in surplus – no exceptions.
Maybe if he had not championed the Rolls-Royce of unaffordable measures, the PPL, and immolated vast amounts of political capital over it?
Maybe if he had actually given some heart to Coalition supporters that the 2013 electoral mandate was not going to be given up without a fight, was not going to be pissed away in a mishmash of bumbling, incompetent pandering to opponents, and shooting itself in the foot – and maybe if he had given some small indication that the government had an agenda and a core purpose and intention to change the country for the better, and that it could articulate that in a way that made its supporters proud to have voted the way that they did.
But instead, we got Sir Prince Philip of Edinburgh South Australia 5111. Had anything more laughable, irrelevant, ridiculous, ludicrous and just plain politically stupid ever been proposed by an Australian politician? That was weapons-grade, industrial-scale stupidity and crass political insanity.
No, Egor, I am afraid that hapless tin-earned clown brought it all on himself.
And gave us Malcolm Bligh Turnbull. And will give us Bill Shorten as PM.
Thanks for nothing, Tony.
Jesus wept.
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Hillary is demonic; there’s no other explanation adequate for her character, which makes a cesspool look inviting. From her love of child sacrifice to the trail of dead bodies following her and Bill to her compulsive lying to her idolatrous greed, she and Bill have had demonic support for three decades. Given her devotion to Satan-worshipping Saul Alinsky, this is no surprise to those who have been following reports of her evil deeds for 25 years, as I have.
If, God forbid, she is elected, it will be the end of the Union. Either Hillary’s storm troopers will establish a dictatorship or there will be civil war. May God save us from both of those.
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I agree. That is why we need wisdom to remove those from power peacefully, without violence.
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Jo and crew, i’ve followed Evergreen/IVPC/First Wind/Sune Efison for years and written extensively at The Daily Bail. Paul Gaynor the former CEO of First Wind and the man responsible for the demise of SUNE (including his cohorts at First Wind), left SUNE after bankrupting it and formed Longroad.
http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20161005005246/en/Longroad-Announces-Investors
I suggest the good folks in New Zealand resd the above and watch out. Same with the good people of Australia.
john
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I forgot to add UPC Renewables (part oF Evergreen/ First Wind) Brian Caffyn who was thrown out of Australia some years ago (Zeehan Zinc). Keep a darn close eye on them.
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I’m not surprised that US ‘Green’ money is funneled to stop coal in Australia. Remember, Julia Gillard is in Hillary Clinton’s ‘inner circle’ of advisers so she would make Australia feature prominently when it comes to green events and control.
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The corruption of government science is a reflection of the corruption of government itself. Hillary Clinton may be a mastermind at “selling the power of government“ to the biggest donor.
The manuscript cited at the top of this thread is now in print in the International Journal of Advanced Research. The message of greatest importance to society now is, cosmic rays come from the Sun and the solar pulsar controls human destiny.
I apologize to JoAnn for posting this information at the top of this thread.
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Here is a workable link to the new paper:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10640850/HUMAN_DESTINY.pdf
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