It’s panic stations over at Believer Central. They are losing their grip on the media. And 2015 was a bumper year for Climate Scares – the hottest ever year, the giant Paris Junket, The El Nino, The Pope! (The Pope?) Despite all that, the media spent less time on the climate. It doesn’t get any better than 2015 for the Global Worriers — there is no higher level of panic. But the free propaganda machine is slowing…
Lookout, climate denial is on the rise (don’t ask about the error bars):
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During the most important year for climate news, TV coverage fell
A report by Media Matters for America reveals that the media are failing to inform the American public on the most important issue of our time.
Media Matters for America has published a report detailing US broadcast news coverage of climate change in 2015, and their findings are stunning.
Stunning eh? Or not.
Dana might be knocked over, but I see ABC down 20, Fox up 20, and some “other stuff”. It’s not really much of a trend. The thing that really bugs Dana seems to be that the minutes shifted from a friendly channel to the evil Fox.
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But that is the point. The total number of minutes is not as important as the “purity” of the coverage. Skeptical stories are on the rise, believer ones are falling.
Maybe ABC (USA) has realized that indoctrination is not much fun for viewers? Maybe they care about ratings?
Peak news is behind us — nothing matches the frenzy of 2009:
2009 was the peak year for climate media interest.
But, in the end, don’t forget this is annual airtime recorded in minutes.
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PBS equals public broadcasting service. Which station loves big-government the most?
Cause and Effect?
As with other things, Nuccitelli struggles with the chain of reasoning.
These findings may help explain why Americans aren’t concerned about climate change.
Maybe Americans are obedient little robots who believe what the media tells them. But it just might be that Americans can think, and Dana is the obedient robot?
We rely on the media to inform the public…
Who is “we”?
Could the reason for the slowdown in media scare stories be because its election year in the States ? . It seems hardly a week goes by without Obama or one of his cronies telling us that global warming is our greatest threat ever , until we come close to an election and then almost total silence on the issue , its as if they know its a non issue with the voter and they don’t want them to be curious about what they are upto , even when they have two republicans who are known sceptics fighting for nomination as their party leaders , still the democrats and their media lapdogs almost completely avoid questions on the issue during interviews and debates .
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I think people cant see the environment changing – by that I mean had the weather been constantly getting hotter and hotter year on end, it would resonate with the public, but you can only stack bulldust so high and then it topples over under its own weight…..
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A young builder told me that people should spend more time outside away from their air conditioned offices, homes and cars.
In the construction world the present temperatures are normal.
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In the Australian bush, the temperatures are as usual, despite whatever homogenizing may have been done.
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I think the reason for the slow-down in media coverage of AGW is that they’re in “Mission Accomplished!” mode. The ruling class have decided that they’re now in a position to do whatever they want, that people will passively accept carbon taxes, rationing, etc.
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From what I’ve seen of Alarmists, they think the Paris COP21 conference was a huge victory where “nations finally came together to save the planet”.
So they feel the moral satisfaction of having “won”. For the moment.
If they actually delved into the details of the Paris Agreement, they would see it gives free rein to China and India, among others, to keep increasing their CO2 emissions without let or hindrance.
But that’s the Green/Left for you — they read plenty, but understand nothing.
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There must be a limit to how long you can continue a 20 year old scare campaign, under the head lines ‘New research/study shows…’
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Donald Trump has shown what the media has been failing to show of how corrupted the US government has become.
Here is a fantastic documentary on how and why our economies are where it is right now. Ready to tank.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fbvquHSPJU
Their is a massive media blitz to hammer Trump because he has awakened the populous.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-06/theres-insurrection-coming-american-people-are-sick-tired-crony-capitalism
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Hi Joe.
The first link is important.
The basis of our Democratic system is being used by elites whose only ambition is to gain wealth and personal power.
We correctly ridicule North Korea but fail to see that we are deluded to think we are “free”.
We have been enslaved.
KK
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Hi KK,
When you watch the documentary, it is like awakening from a dream that we are currently trapped in.
Here is another good site with fantastic info on the current economics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qy8bhu0oGE
The province in Canada is thinking of doing a pilot similar to what the Swiss want to do.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3422775/Swiss-government-proposes-paying-1-700-month-work-not-bid-end-poverty-insists-people-want-job.html#ixzz3yeIQHSc1
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Joe
Not so much a dream as a nightmare.
For the past few years I have watched local and international politics and am convinced that ALL those involved are there for the
Money. ALL.
Scams and schemes to enrich those with the hand on the tap coming from the treasury.
My happiness about the link was that my nightmare was being explained to the world.
Locally we live in a part of the world ignored by politicians and although we enjoy a great natural environment
( http://www.shannonhartigan.com.au/Bar-Beach-Images/crystal-bar)
we have never seen either side of politics actually do anything useful for the area.
We recently managed to overcome the scourge of alcohol related deaths and maimings in our city but those 13 families running the show still have power to make a comeback.
our internal transport system supposedly a move to light rail/trams ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA_3OjU7G_0 ) has become another land grab worth millions and no change to the deplorable public transport system.
Politics is a very sick puppy at the moment but as Europe, the UK and the US (trump) have shown, there ARE limits to abuse of citizens.
KK
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KK: Liberated, you mean. Like Kiwi PM Key: worked for NY Federal Reserve 1999-01, pro TPP, fights the good fight against CO2. Just like your fine boy Turnbull [snip]
[no reason to go there.] ED
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Hi Dunn
Could you possibly decode that?
Liberated?
“My” boy Turnbull?
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If the public knew the truth about why and how the GFC came about they would vomit all day and the hospitals would be overflowing. And that’s just scratching the surface. The AGW hoax is just part of this. It’s a diversion to take the attention of the public away from what’s really happening. The world is becoming more and more ripe for a NWO to take over – after the next big financial crisis.
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Good point Peter,
The GFC
Greed, Crime, Cover-up, More Greed and more political crimes to enrich those who caused the original crime.
It’s still there.
Clinton using US govt Lending institutions to bankroll anyone, including penniless people, to make sure everyone in America could “own” their own home. That scam lasted a few years.
US crims with a pipe line into our ASX trading outside of the system. Fast trading; Skimming off our super funds.
Union bosses “running” Super Funds.
Yes, the elites can find ways.
KK
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The housing/mortgage fiasco in the US started before Clinton was in – and the path to ruination was marked out and traveled along by Wall Street types and bankers interested in siphoning every penny they could from markets that should never have existed. High-risk, bad-risk, set-up-to-fail, those loans were doomed from the start, and the “flipping” and [snip] that allowed homes worth $1500.00 US to sell for $25, then $50,000.00 was just icing on the cake. Not to mention honest people borrowing $5k to repair, oh, maybe a roof and getting hit with 3x that in “fees” – with a total pay-off of $15k, not what they could afford, not what they got – and then the banks taking the homes – valued well over real selling price for the “loans” and property tax, and everyone wondering why?? the market dropped?
The [snip, problem] was on the banking end, mostly.
[Unless you have good evidence to back you up please stay away from what I snipped.] AZ
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I watched 75% of that video – it’s Marxist crap. There are no answers there, just ruin.
If you want to “Fix” capitalism then you don’t need to migrate it to socialism you need to make the capitalist mechanisms such as trickle-down work better. For example by legislating that company ownership must extend to employees (that is shares must be part of the remuneration package). You also need to allow people to fail, yes, a basic safety-net but ultimately let bad businesses die. The purpose of businesses to provide employment needs to be tightened, how I’m not sure. Disincentives to employment like income tax could be removed, eg by a flat transaction tax measures to encourage large workforces like tax deductions for employees.
It’s not hard to improve the natural wealth spreading effects of capitalism but the communism/socialism expoused by that video is not the way.
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You need to be dropped on Gilligan’s Island and sell their products…
At least they knew what to do to survive.
Most people are lost with power out for even a few minutes.
Oh no, my cell…as you walk into a tree…
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You are missing the point. Yes the solution is simple, remarkably simple. The reason it’s not being implemented is because of the elite who want to keep things the way they are purely for greed (power, money and decadence). It’s a human trait that’s prevalent in not everyone but in enough to allow it to happen on a grand scale, and it blinds them and much of the rest of us to the repercussions and eventual downfall of our financial system and society. History is proof of this.
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Your argument demonstrates what I would call the dramaturgical fallacy (which, among other things, assumes that these people are more malevolent and omniscient/omnipotent than they really are).
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Hi Bob
I assume you are talking about the first link of Joe’s.
I only watched a small bit of it but found enough in that to give me a good feel.
That’s how advertising works.
Maybe I should look at the whole thing.
KK
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Bob
I revisited the video and found I had only seen a few minutes.
Watched up to 10 then stopped.
The idea I first caught was of Elites doing their own thing.
I think that is currently the problem: elites who use government for their own ends.
You say : “It’s not hard to improve the natural wealth spreading effects of capitalism” but that is the very problem.
The 4 horsemen seems to saying to me that the very system of government that oversees capitalism is Broken and being abused because people accept abuse, until like the frog on the pan of cold water, it starts to boil.
The problem is not capitalism or socialism but the fact that people can’t see and register that they are being abused and just sit and take it.
Knowing where you are would be a big step towards getting change in western society.
KK
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When you get to part 4 – Resources, they talk about Progressive Society and how 9 Billion people will be too much – IE the overpopulation meme, global warming , peak oil all the left memes and how we must go from global to local communities – or should I say communes I stopped right there, there was the communist sting in the tail – right there
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Hi Bob
Glad I only watched the good bit at the front.
If I’d seen that I might have thrown up.
KK
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Wow, Judge Janine!!!! Wish we had someone in our media like her. Whether you like Trump or not, she was absolutely right about the “politicians” in the two parties – out of the same self-centred mould. Now here in Australia …… Oh, wait a minute.
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What’s worse for us is Turnbull was a managing director and later a partner of Goldman Sachs. I hate to say this given the alternative but if he is returned we are doomed just as much if not more so than if Labor gets back. I think our best scenario is he loses the election and gets replaced by someone else, possibly Abbott and let Labor have just one term in government. We might just make it. The other way is too frightening to think about. We will not only have a new form of carbon tax in place but we will have other forms of hidden taxes, higher GST and worse still the continuation of the biggest bubble we have seen for a long time – the housing market. The inevitable crash will be devastating.
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Peter, that’s silly. A crash, if there is a crash, will be infinitely less devastating under Turnbull than it will be under the ALP. The Crash is the ALP’s primary objective, their first goal in life. It was they who set us up for it.
Even the widening wealth gap was set in place by the Hawke government’s changes to policies. When they were elected Australia was a remarkably egalitarian nation.
Their purpose in this is to direct private capital into areas where they can more easily destroy it. Don’t imagine that we still have a Labor Party in Australia. The ALP is a Marxist party, and they have come very close to achieving their objective.
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So,your OK with a “Traitor”being left at the helm?Labour put us on this path and Turdbull is still going in the same direction.So what’s different?
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Turnbull these days reminds me of a very pampered Pooch whose one object in life was to chase the biggest and shiniest cars in the hope he might catch one.
Well he caught the biggest and shiniest car of them all and now he doesn’t seem to have a clue what to do with it except give it a shake every now and then and hope something falls out of it and not off of it.
Meanwhile all the other poochs in the same pack are sniffing around and have to be regularly seen off in case they soil that very shiny car with their very dirty paws.
Over the fence there is a pack of snarling unionised mongrels led by a badly trimmed poodle who constantly yips and yaps away at anything and everything seemingly without ever really knowing what he is yipping about, so as to assure the mongrel mob behind him that he can catch very big shiny cars just as well as Turnbull.
And if and when he does catch that very big shiny big car he assures the mongrel mob they will all get free rides for the rest of their lives.
And on the other side is Mrs Greens pack of high pitched yapping yipping Chihuahuas who imagine they also can catch lots of very shiny, very expensive cars.
And they have all agreed that if they do catch a very shiny, very expensive car they will all p–s in the fuel tank so as to stop anybody from using that car ever again.
The fact that as very pampered loudly yapping Chihuahuas they have had a free ride all their lives courtesy of the rest of the pack and p–sing in fuel tanks means they might have to walk everywhere in future is totally beyond their tiny mind’s comprehension.
Its a dog’s world we live in!
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Brilliant Rom!
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“The 4 horsemen” is a leftie crap. I stopped watching this when they started bagging wealth inequality and immorality of the system at the same time failing to acknowledge the achievements of capitalism and lifting billions out of poverty. It talks about the decline and apathy,. However, this is not caused by hard working people but by the people that live off the society. So again this has nothing to do with the morality of the system (capitalism) that they criticise but as we all know is caused by socialist to commie abbreations.
The reason why we have poverty is not because of capitalism or greed which usually equated with this system (this assumption is not true as capitalism is not about greed but about a repeat business where greed has little right to exist), but because people do not take the responsibility for their own lives, something that is eagerly facilitated by excessive (lefty) government. Unabated greed usually exists only where there is no free market, like crony capitalism or lefty socialism or other commie crap.
Judging by number of green thumbs this movie has some appeal, but to me this is playing on people’s fear of doom and gloom, not unlikely like GW crappola. A smart subtle propaganda similar to onces that I had to watch when I lived in my communist polish paradise between 1960-1981.
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Notice that the only news channel that has an increase in global warming stories is the Republican leaning , largely sceptical FOX news , whereas the Democrat controlled media trend is down , maybe thats the reason why Cook is rattled
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“Climate Change Rap” – a one hit song by Gavin Schmidt
Seems there are more important issues on people’s minds in 2016, besides CO2 😮
U.S. presidential race
Brazil’s return to a military dictatorship
Europe’s refugees rebelling
Turkey’s President embracing Hitler’s idea of Goverment
Britain leaving the EU
Australia’s economy following China’s
But to name a few ..
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Don’t drop your guard. The previous year saw a massive effort to saturate the media with fiddled numbers.
Allowing the story to stop now leaves those fiddled numbers on top of the pile. They must be put down once and for all.
By the way. Here at ground level NSW, we are experiencing a genuine heat wave in recent weeks. Average 33.6 degrees max for March so far, 7 above 25 year average, with another week of similar forecast, and similar numbers for much of February. Night temps 3 above 25 year average. This is the hot end of March, but the second half would have to be very cool to bring us back to average.
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It’s good isn’t it. And it’s the greenest I have ever seen the eastern half of the country. Even the worst of the drought affected part of Queensland is green at the moment.
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On the central tablelands of NSW its been dry and hot. Normally up this way Easter is the turning point to a winter regime, but 2016 could be delayed.
BoM is pushing the line that a pair of blocking highs are the problem and its obviously true, but what of the cause?
A hyperactive jet stream is one possible answer or it may have something to do with a decaying El Nino.
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Looking further back, of the last 28 days, only 3 below 30 max at 29.9, 29.7 and 29 degrees, av 32.8. For March so far 8 days highest barometric pressure 1018.9, lowest 1017.5.
Does this mean the climate has stopped changing?
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We rely on the media to inform the public….oh that’s why free to air, print and digital MSM are slowly dying off and the public are increasingly turning to the internet for some counter views to compare, like this excellent blog.
Dana Nuccitelli is a prime example of why we haven’t had newsprint in our house for years, this climate crap needs to be exposed but more importantly publically dissected and explained so people can relearn how to spot a scam.
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Then I guess I’m finally in step with the media again because I’m bored with climate change too. There hasn’t been anything worth the attention it takes to read it for a long time. 🙁
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There’s plenty of noise – dinosaurs died because of climate change, ice ages ended because of climate change, crops in Africa will not grow because of climate change, wet places will get wetter, dry places will get wetter, because of climate change (I guess the wheat and bananas in Africa aren’t going to see the rain? or get too much) – much seems to be on the phys.org site, but it is everywhere on the net.
I think the blob of green has realized no one is watching the telly much.
http://phys.org/news/2016-03-climate-dinosaurs-underwater-cousins.html
Oh, and satellites are back in vogue for the warmies
http://phys.org/news/2016-03-eyeing-climate-satellites.html
Lovely day here – 60s, sunshine.
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“Oh, and satellites are back in vogue for the warmies”
Until the El Nino spike drops right back down, probably by mid/late year. 😉
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Notwithstanding any of their theories and complaints, our weather is very much the usual except for a bit of rain in March that’s not on the ordinary weather schedule. My Crepe Myrtle trees are leafing out beautifully and the fruit tree across the street that usually is in full bloom by Christmas was a bit late this year but is catching up fast.
I think all is well except for California’s drought, which isn’t relieved much by this so-called El Niño.
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This summer has been pretty grim in South East Queensland with warmer than average night minimums and a fraction of average rainfall – I don’t think there were any real maximum records broken – but there has been little relief overnight.
But we have been subject to a barrage of never ending stories about how hot it is this summer, and last and etc. etc..
We need to see it is just weather.
Good Friday April 4 1980 was so hot here that cars were breaking down on the highway to the Sunshine Coast due to slow moving traffic and air conditioning resulting in overheating- traffic jam for miles. It was hot and awful in a stopped car.
November that year was exceptionally hot as was November 1968 – I don’t recall Novembers like those two. In November 1980 I was water sampling with 2 students on work experience and the jam packed swimming pools had water temperatures of >35 degrees C – why one would go out into the sun to jump into 35 degree water was beyond me.
If the weather reporters simply dropped the word “record” from their misleading reports climate alarmism would truly die.
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I do recall three consecutive days in November 1968 when our thermometer showed 113 degrees, 45 centigrade, and a westerly gale. We stopped harvesting for fear that knocking two stones together might start a fire. That thermometer was located in an open hallway where the wind could blow through under an insulated roof and ceiling. That was the highest temp I ever saw, equalled by a day in January 1964, when there was also a westerly gale.
Pools don’t get that hot here, you lose half an inch of water instead. But I once went to a wedding in Brisbane during a heatwave, 35 degrees, and thought I would cool off in the motel pool. Ugh! Just as hot in as out!
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Rosco, I came to Australia in the early summer of 1966 and, as part of my job from then into the early ’70s, I was driving around Sydney every day in a Moris 1100 with no air conditioning or demister. I can distinctly remember day after day of above 100F followed by a “southerly buster”, followed by day after day of above 100F followed by …………. You get the drift.
This March is the first time for years that we have had conditions anywhere near similar, except we don’t seem to get those violent southerly changes any more. The climate changes, no doubt about that, and so does the weather.
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I’ve mentioned this before on this Blog. Try doing maths, chemistry or physical chemstry when its close to 40 C outside and probably close 50 C inside the Exhibition Buildings, Melbourne, for days at a time – the year 1962.
The stains on the exam papers were from perspiration not tears.
R-COO- K+
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Media is slow to learn.
Even the loss of readers and advertising does not seem to help them focus.
I too am sick of Catastrophic Climatism.
I am very interested in retribution .
Especially for so called News Organizations willfully engaging in propaganda.
And other users of the big Lie.
Of course if your comfortable lifestyle, of living large at the expense of other people, depends on those other people being unaware of your parasitic thefts, then the Big Lie is a necessary tool.
Imagine the chaos for our parasitic overlords, if their hosts were truly aware of their cost.
CAGW is the best scheme yet, for stealing from the many to enrich the well established few.
However I suspect it will turn out to be a fatal overreach.
The cost of these parasites has not yet fully impacted the taxpayers,their host.
But the endless virtue signalling and massive waste of public treasures have certainly focussed the attention of the ever impoverished citizen upon these “helpers”.
Kleptocrats have to lie, exposure means they either have to get a job or starve.
Biggest lie ever;”We are from the government, we are here to help you”.
“Into perpetual slavery to us” being the unsaid part.
Next part of the B.L;”You need our help”.
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There is a cause – effect relationship here. The obvious degradation in climate interest is an anticipated habituation to eco-propaganda carpet bombing and green supersaturation. While the climate ‘shows’ may decline, and there appears limited growth in the hitherto unexplored dimension of ‘the truth’ (largely because it is unavoidable to the extent of credibility lowering absurdity to pretend it is not cold, snowing, raining etc)) there is far more going on here. The eco-globalist grooming continues.
And don’t be fooled. The media are not slow to learn. They are the propaganda artisans of the highest order. We’re simply witnessing media shape-shifting. The location of the regular sites of indoctrination have been relocated to the ‘fact’ departments, namely the ‘news’ and the ‘weather’.
News segments are now replete with
educationalpropaganda stories around climate,sustainable,socialist,community lifestyle projects that save the World, the weather, and our grandchildren. Segments of ‘news’ and ‘weather’ combined inter-relatedly and seamlessly with the omnipresent theme of anthropogenic causation while ignoring the sadly obvious, the shanty buildings unlikely to withstand more than a 25kt wind let alone a cyclone, and the wider and more important societal ills that evidently beset impoverished Pacific islands.Meanwhile in Moscow and far eastern Russia, record snowfall (heaviest since 1966) and decadal frigidity silently pervade, although predictably The Telegraph peddle this as evidence of ‘climate change’.
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Actually, if you think about it – there has been a form of social engineering taking place about the environment – we never used to feel guilty about washing our cars in our drive ways – now its a form of “capital” offence…
Every town you come into has some droning nonsense about “water wise” or other thing.
I propose we have water fun day, where everyone washes their car in their driveway to show our kids we wont be cowed by the eco-nazis…
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Steve,
the real reason we have to go through the save water religious experience is because all the money
allocated for dams has been spent/stolen/ or reallocated to friends and an excuse has to be found
or minds directed way from the real issue, namely theft.
KK
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Speaking of capital offences – and at grave risk of alienating backyard pool owners – why is it now ecologically responsible to have a pool that loses almost twice its volume annually under “average” Australian evaporation rates, yet it’s a stoning offence to turn the lawn sprinkler on for an hour a couple of times for the kids to run through like we used to?
That’s about an 80,000 litre loss per year for an average 8m X 4m heated pool by the way. I don’t know of any lawn sprinkler to match that in a couple of hours’ use (about 450-500 litres/hr). If you cover your pool – good on you.
Likewise, how is it officially OK to have pop-up lawn sprinklers run on a timer? I used to drive past a place where it could be flogging down with rain yet the pop-ups were merrily sprinkling on their auto-timer, the run-off gushing down the gutter. Apparently that’s responsible water use too in our new regulated world.
Double standards for the leafy suburbs???
I agree with Steve. Be a rebel – wash your car, hose the front porch, let your teens have an occasional water-fight and turn the sprinkler on for the little kids like in the “olden days”.
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Yes, Manfred, on the ABC weather news last night (watched in error while changing channels) the news reader looked straight at the camera and said, after only one week in March, “it looks like this will be the hottest March on record, after the hottest February”. Hoping for a self-fulfilling prophesy, no doubt.
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That’s because the globalist believe the climate scheme is a done deal and want to keep the people from complaining against it and challenging it. It will pop up again after the next presidential election should one of the many globalists in the GOP, or a democrat, steals the vote.
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Perhaps the reason for a slowdown in the media push of Warming related items is that they have actually achived what they wanted.
Climate Change is ” embedded” in our societies in the form of the “renewables” and associated taxes along with
the “education” system and the ever present drain/theft on our taxes of the elites favourite, the united nations.
Last week I spoke to a lovely woman who is doing a BA at a local university.
She spoke passionately about the course work involved and surprise, surprise it was about “climate science”.
Well not REAL science but, you know climate change type science.
Her present focus is on the effect of climate change on indigenous communities throughout the world.
A very noble cause. Trying to discuss real world “science” was pushed off with rebuttals like: “but what about the Inuits?”
Shades of Leonardo coming again.
In a world where we have Degrees in Law with specialization in Climate Change Law we really are too deeply embedded.
The Meme is there. All who wish to pick the fruit ( or raid the tax treasury) can now do so because, like my
friend says, 97% of “scientists” agree that climate change is real.
KK
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Not so. Whenever greedy people get what they want, they want more. This is run on momentum, not common sense or any actual resource. IF they get power, money or status through a little bit of something, they will double their effort to get twice as much.
That’s why they are so afraid of losing momentum, because the opposite happens. It’s a death spiral. If they yell “fire” and everyone laughs at them then they retreat and find another way to get attention.
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Your comments make me think that the whole renewable energy movement is also falling out of MSM focus.
Giles Parkinson and the rest of his band at Renew Economy seem to really be ramping up the rhetoric over the last month. It might be the desperate throes of the neglected trying to gain attention.
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The US and Oz have elections at the end of this year and the media generally will avoid the subject of climate change, after all the science is settled.
If you were hoping for a political debate on the most important issue of our time, forget it.
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If I might EG, “If you were hoping for a political debate on the most important non-issue of our time, forget it.”
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I know that you are being sarcastic, the average John might not, and a warmist might republish your words to discredit both you and this site. Pedantic, perhaps, but it’s real.
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‘…a warmist might republish your words to discredit both you and this site.’
Funny I never thought of that, but its most unlikely that my words will be noticed beyond this space.
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The media has given enormous coverage to stories about the doom and gloom of global warming, but perhaps there is some reality kicking in when these predictions have failed to occur. We have our local soothsayers talking about sea level rises, never going to rain again and ocean acidification; and governments used to believe them, e.g. those costly desalination plants. But when they go and live on the waterfront somewhere plus the litany of failed prediction do they have any credibilty anymore?
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I wonder how many viewers of television news weather now yawn when the presenter mentions hottest ……
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Not enough, unfortunately. The great and the gullible swallow it like nectar.
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The brainwashed MSM may continue to toe the party line for awhile. until the doom and gloom of global cooling becomes an opportunity.
http://notrickszone.com/2016/03/06/the-missing-cold-scripps-institute-now-projects-major-powerful-la-nina-to-surface-late-this-year/#sthash.4vNSwtV6.dpbs
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One thing is for certain, if Trump or Cruz wins it is all over but the crying for the supporters of the falsified global warming hypothesis because their money supply will dry up.
It is always about the money. When advertising revenues go down because of poor ratings they change the programming content. The audience is burned out on the same banal, boring content being aired ad nauseam. People would rather watch a rerun of an old cartoon such as The Flintstones then some stiff in a lab coat repeating the doom and gloom mantra over and over again.
The TV networks would probably make a greater profit by airing informercials on burial insurance or the latest development in treating hemorrhoids then global warming propaganda.
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Trump supports the hideous “Common Core” cirriculum in the USA ( i.e. Communism-lite for schools …)
People only get near the presidency when they support “The Cause” and sign up tot he globalist agenda…..Trump may tell you what people want ot hear now, but underneath he seems to have US liberal views….
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Um, no. Donald Trump has promised to get rid of common core, abolish the department of education and return to the states with the power to determine the curriculum.
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http://www.inquisitr.com/2789066/donald-trump-flip-flops-on-common-core-bashes-jeb-bush-for-supporting-it-than-says-we-are-going-to-keep-it/
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I think you will find that his rivals have spread this rumor.
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The lack of news coverage is that Climate Science has nothing new to say. There are no scary stories. No record hurricanes, or accelerating ice melt to report. After a few years of showing melting glaciers, or diminishing ice packs at the end of the summer, the public expects more to keep them alarmed. When for years we have been told about heatwaves and extreme snowfall, or high rainfall and drought all being portents of the apocalyptic future that will befall us unless we stop wasting food and change to fancier light bulbs they literally switch off when another lecture comes along.
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‘There are no scary stories.’
http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_February_2016_v6.gif
In a balanced media environment a young reporter would say the present warmth is similar to 1878-79 and we all know what came after that.
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Yairs. Now, looking at that, if I was into homogenisation, methinks 1998 would have to somehow cease to exist.
I don’t do the numbers. For that I bludge off good people here who do. But intuition tells me that the average rate of temperature rise from 1988 till now would now be about the same as the previous 100 years. Does anybody have a chart/s handy which shows these rates?
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Not sure if this can help.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/service/global/global-land-ocean-mntp-anom/201001-201012.gif
Note the fall-off from 1880, that is where I’m at.
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Thanks, that will do. I was wrong if those figures are right, it does still show a higher rate of warming in the last 40 years, though that noaa logo generates suspicion of “homogenisation”. Scant co2 correlation.
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There once was a shepherd boy who was bored as he sat on the hillside watching the village sheep. To amuse himself he took a great breath and sang out, “Wolf! Wolf! The Wolf is chasing the sheep!”
The villagers came running up the hill to help the boy drive the wolf away. But when they arrived at the top of the hill, they found no wolf. The boy laughed at the sight of their angry faces.
“Don’t cry ‘wolf’, shepherd boy,” said the villagers, “when there’s no wolf!” They went grumbling back down the hill.
Later, the boy sang out again, “Wolf! Wolf! The wolf is chasing the sheep!” To his naughty delight, he watched the villagers run up the hill to help him drive the wolf away.
When the villagers saw no wolf they sternly said, “Save your frightened song for when there is really something wrong! Don’t cry ‘wolf’ when there is NO wolf!”
But the boy just grinned and watched them go grumbling down the hill once more.
Later, he saw a REAL wolf prowling about his flock. Alarmed, he leaped to his feet and sang out as loudly as he could, “Wolf! Wolf!”
But the villagers thought he was trying to fool them again, and so they didn’t come.
At sunset, everyone wondered why the shepherd boy hadn’t returned to the village with their sheep. They went up the hill to find the boy. They found him weeping.
“There really was a wolf here! The flock has scattered! I cried out, “Wolf!” Why didn’t you come?”
An old man tried to comfort the boy as they walked back to the village.
“We’ll help you look for the lost sheep in the morning,” he said, putting his arm around the youth, “Nobody believes a liar…even when he is telling the truth!”
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The boy’s name was Tim
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Several people here have commented that the MSM are losing viewers and readers in droves to the internet alternative media , this is exactly why i ask JO ,in weekend unthreaded , if she had considered podcasting , there is a internet podcast platform based in europe called the conscious consumer network , CCN is a free to use platform set up as an alternative to the political controlled MSM ,that has only been running for just over a year and already gets well over one million viewers every single day , from the sceptical climate point of view this is mainly a new untapped audience of people never exposed to the sceptical message before , so reach out JO and bring some new friends over to your blog . ps sorry if i’m getting repetitive on this issue JO but i realy do think you are missing a good opportunity
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They only have themselves to blame. Where do you go after spending years telling people we are all doomed any minute, then nothing happens? Saying we might be a bit doomed sometime soon isn’t going to cut it…. so may as well move on to Zika virus and GFC2.
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Someone at the ABC (Australia), definitely reads Anthony Watts WUWT. Last month, 25th Feb. Susan Crockford had an essay written up there, 10 failed predictions about the demise of the Polar Bears. Populations now up to 31,000.
All day, about every hour, Feb.26th. ABC24 ran a story about the dwindling numbers of Polar Bears, caused by global warming, caused by our emissions of CO2, and soon there will be no Polar Bears left if we don’t soon change to renewable energy.
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lol.
7 Mar: ClimateChangeNews: Alex Pashley: Why did Paris climate summit get less press coverage than Copenhagen?
Analysis of 50 major newspapers reveals relative drop in media attention at December UN conference compared with 2009 event
A research group at the University of Colorado Boulder’s tracking of newspaper coverage of climate change showed where COP15 waxed, COP21 waned.
It crunched articles written by 50 titles across 25 countries, from the UK’s Financial Times, Spain’s El Pais to Zimbabwe’s Herald.
Copenhagen’s spike in December 2009 (714 articles) is a third higher than Paris summit in December 2015 (534), the data shows…
Why the decline? I spoke with Max Boykoff, acting director of the CIRES Center for Science and Technology Policy Research at the university…
The (Copenhagen) summit also came weeks before the “Climategate” affair…
Sceptics leapt on it as proof global warming was a conspiracy; subsequent inquiries found no evidence of misconduct. It generated lots of heat nonetheless…
The rise of blogs and specialised sites may have reduced the main newspapers’ volume of reporting, Boykoff adds, though the “legacy” newspapers in the sample still largely shaped opinion…
http://www.climatechangenews.com/2016/03/07/why-did-paris-climate-summit-get-less-press-coverage-than-copenhagen/
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Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.
Unknown author;
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Relax Folks!
As long as there has been a hierarchal governing structure in human affairs that has been created by the elites of a society there have been innumerable individuals and groups of individuals who will try and twist and corrupt the governing structure of society to enhance their own personal power and wealth accumulating kleptocratic personalities.
The only societal structure that has ever managed to limit and counter such kleptocracy by the power seeking elites is Democracy.
With Democracy, a system of political rule which has been forced on the political Elite over the last couple of centuries by the very people they seek to govern, we get the chance, even if it is severely constrained at various times, to throw the current lot of power and wealth grasping kleptocrats out and replace them with another lot who are generally quite careful about those same activities for quite some time into their rule before they too become too hubaristic and begin showing their incompetence to rule and begin to travel the same path of a kleptocratic power and wealth accumulation as their political predecessors.
And then in a democracy we the people, can make another judgement if we so wish and throw that lot out as well at the next ballot box.
And that is about as near to perfection in power wielding politics, as faulty and corrupted as it might be, that we are ever likely to encounter.
But Democracy brings another slant to society as well.
And that is a relative freedom to comment and report and disseminate information even if that information severely embarrasses the ruling elites.
Its called, an often overstated Freedom of the Press and a Freedom of Speech
No doubt many will disagree about the so called “Freedom of the Press” but ask yourselves how you come to know so much about so many of the happenings and straight out shenanigans and the corrupted ideology of so much of the elite ruling structures and its inhabitants?
And ask yourselves would you really be as disparaging and contemptuous of the ruling class and its hypocrisy and activities if it was not for Democracy and its characteristics that are an essential characteristic, the Freeedom of Speech of a Democracy and allow Democracy to exist and flourish?
Those major characteristics that are inherent in any form of a real Democracy are the “Freedom of Speech” and “Freedom of the Press” in all their technicolour grossly opinionated splendor.
Both Freedoms might be constrained to a greater or lesser degree in every Democracy but taken over the whole of the global Democracies and the authoritarian forms of national governments, modern electronic communications have gone a long way towards countering the governing elite’s constraints on those Freedoms wherever they might be and whatever form they might govern by on the Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press across the boundaries of our global democracies and across national boundaries everywhere.
And it is through those Democraticly based Freedoms of Speech and the Press that the worst of the governing elite’s excesses is held in check and made accountable in both moral and ethical terms and far too rarely, in the real world’s legal terms.
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The quote was by Robert Anson Heinlein.
A great libertarian author who deserves to be remembered for more than a crappy, pisstake adaptation of a superb novel into a comic parody by a director with an axe to grind against (perceived) facism.
TANSTAAFL – “There Ain’t No Such Thing As A Free Lunch” was another saying that he popularized (but did not originate)
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Analitik,
I don’t know of the movie you’re referring to here, but I really can’t imagine any movie doing justice to a Heinlein novel.
I wasn’t really into Science Fantasy much, well, all SF is really just superfluous after reading Asimov.
In the early/mid ’70’s, a friend gave me his copy of Stranger In A Strange Land, because he couldn’t get into it he said.
After reading that, I got hold of as many of his works I could find, and got his new ones right up until he passed, the last of them To Sail Beyond The Sunset in ’87.
I liked nearly all of his stuff, and I think I ended up with 20 or so of his novels and three Panther collections of his short stories.
My favourite would be Time Enough For Love, but I guess that may have just been the time I read it.
Having read them all again, as opposed to reading them in my, umm, youth, I find that while ostensibly Science Fantasy, they were in fact veiled commentary on actual real life at the time of writing.
It’s a very clever author who can achieve that.
Some of those authors from that era (and probably not well known by today’s crowd) are still worthwhile reading, and good luck trying to find their novels without resorting to the www
Tony.
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“I find that while ostensibly Science Fantasy, they were in fact veiled commentary on actual real life at the time of writing.”
All the best SF does that.
That is what made the original star trek so fun to watch, probably why the remake was so lame.
Also attributed to Heinlein;”Comes a time in every mans life,when he has to roll up his sleeves and commence to slitting throats”
Which is mighty relevant to the parasitic overload that brought us CAGW.
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Interesting! So now even ISIL can be blamed on the scam called CAGW!
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Hi Tony
I became a huge Heinlein fan in my early teens when I picked up “Tunnel in the Sky” at random off a library shelf. What I admire most in his writings is the stress placed on personal responsibility – you don’t appeal to others to dig you out of situations of your own making,
The novel adaptation I was referring to was “Starship Troopers”. When heard it was going to be made into a movie, I was genuinely excited because it is a short novel with a very strong central message which SHOULD have been easy to carry across from the novel to the movie.
Sadly, Paul Verhoeven evidently lacked the nous and/or integrity to do more than skim over the novel and the movie ended up being the low rent, trashy, comic farce that it is. I corresponded with Jerry Pournelle (another of my favorite authors) about how disappointing the movie was and he agreed that Verhoeven’s interpretation was puzzling. I also mentioned that I hoped as an author, he would get oversight if “The Mote in God’s Eye” was to be made into a film (as was being discussed at the time. As you’d expect Jerry’s response was forthright and direct, “Not even Clancy gets oversight!”
I did advise a young workmate who loved the film to also read the book. He was flabbergasted at the difference in the messages and went on to recommend the book to his friends as the central message about personal responsibility was so well presented – there are members of Gen Y who are hard working, respectful and responsible.
If any of my friend’s read this comment, they’ll immediately know who I am since I having been ranting on this subject for almost 20 years now
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I always have enjoyed “Citizen of the Galaxy” which in many ways espouses and summarizes Henlein’s beliefs, as well and in “Glory Road” when Star, Empress of the 20 Universes, is first described…. Well let’s put out this way, I was 12 or 13 when first read the book!
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See Chris Berg from the Institute of Public Affairs (IPA) explain Liberty, Equality and Democracy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS5zLf9cF5I
Better still buy his book.
http://www.connorcourt.com/catalog1/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=7&products_id=326#.Vt6lEfl97cs
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a must-read:
7 Mar: UK Telegraph: Rupert Darwall: Wind and solar have destroyed the ability of the market to signal price
In capitulating to “Big wind” and solar, the Big Six energy companies have no one to blame but themselves for the heightened political risk caused by rising electricity prices and the inevitable consumer backlash. Weather-dependent wind and solar power is inherently unreliable and high cost. In addition to subsidies, wind and solar need more grid infrastructure. When the wind blows and the sun shines, they swamp the grid with zero marginal cost electricity, forcing gas, coal and nuclear to reduce their output…
Since last summer, almost 8.5 gigawatts of conventional capacity has closed or faces closure. In 2014, the Big Six made £556m from renewables and lost £1,615m on their gas and coal-fired power stations. Without cheap electrical storage, wind and solar can’t keep the lights on…
Thanks to government policies deliberately distorting the market, we have over-invested in wind and solar. It has blighted investment in reliable capacity that can keep the lights on. This is the crux of Britain’s energy crunch. Clearly it was a colossal mistake to have embarked on renewables with storage unsolved.
The Big Six could have drawn attention to a situation where, in a world awash with hydrocarbons, Britain has an increasing shortage of generating capacity…
Now that the market has been destroyed, the real choice is between finding a path back to the market or accepting the Government is running the show…READ ON
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/03/06/wind-and-solar-have-destroyed-the-ability-of-the-market-to-signa/
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To quote the Jeff Bridges in The Great Lebowski:
“Well … yeah !”
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7 Mar: UK Times: Matt Ridley: Let’s kill off this nuclear white elephant
EDF can’t afford to build Hinkley Point and Britain can’t afford to pay for it. There are better options elsewhere.
Last week the British and French governments announced that they remained confident that the Hinkley Point C nuclear power station in Somerset will be built. But EDF, the company that wishes to build it, declined again to say when a “final investment decision” will be made. That decision, originally intended for 2012, was then expected last October, when the Chinese president was in London etc…
Then it was expected in November, then December, then at the February board meeting of the company, then last week. Still no sign of Godot…
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/article4706821.ece
7 Mar: GWPF: Matt Ridley: Let’s Kill Off This Nuclear White Elephant (Times)
The cost of building it has roughly trebled before a brick has been laid. At £18 billion, or more like £24 billion including finance costs, Hinkley Point C would be the most expensive power station ever built. The Three Gorges Dam on the Yangtze is its nearest rival and that generates ten times more electricity than Hinkley’s planned 3.2 gigawatts. If we spent that much on gas-fired power stations, we would get roughly 48 gigawatts of dependable capacity, or 15 times more — and each unit of electricity would cost one third as much.
When Hinkley was first considered it was going to charge about £45 per megawatt-hour, a cost comparable with gas or coal. The strike price eventually agreed by the coalition government with EDF was £92.50 per MWh, comparable with onshore wind. Even that was not the end of the negotiation; the government has agreed to index-link that price so that by the time Hinkley opens in the mid-2020s, it might charge not much less than offshore wind, about £120 per MWh…
The long-run answer is that smaller is more beautiful. With the right political push, and some streamlining of the regulations, small modular reactors could be rolling off production lines, needing less up-front financing and shorter lead times while generating economies of scale through repeat orders. We have to get away from these behemoth schemes, built like one-off moon-shots, and harness the cost-cutting benefits of the mass production of smaller units…LINK TO THE TIMES
http://www.thegwpf.com/matt-ridley-lets-kill-off-this-nuclear-white-elephant/
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surely Fairfax staff are equally bored…but can’t admit it, or even question anything that promotes CAGW.
why not write “scientists CLAIM they have traced”?
8 Mar: SMH: Tom Arup: Scientists trace humans’ influence on extreme weather events back to 1937
Think global warming is a recent phenomenon? Well, climate scientists have some news for you.
An international team of researchers, including Australian scientists, have traced humanity’s influence through greenhouse gas emissions on creating extreme weather events right back to 1937…
But the research group behind the latest paper – published on Tuesday in the journal Geophysical Research Letters – sought to look back as far as possible to detect the earliest event that human activity – such as burning fossil fuels and clearing forests – could be said to have increased the chances of it occurring…
The earliest extreme event the researchers found climate change had made significantly more likely was the then record breaking hot year across the planet in 1937, a time when the Spanish Civil War was still raging, the Hindenburg crashed and Joseph Lyon was Australian prime minister…
Before that year, Professor Andrew King, from the University of Melbourne and one of the authors of the study, told Fairfax Media a clear climate change signal could not be detected above the natural variability in the weather system…
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/scientists-trace-humans-influence-on-extreme-weather-events-back-to-1937-20160307-gnd4s9.html
7 Mar: Geophysical Research Letters: Emergence of heat extremes attributable to anthropogenic influences
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2015GL067448/abstract
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7 Mar: UK Spectator blog: Ross Clark: Even the French are starting to realise that Hinkley Point is a nuclear turkey
The finance director of EDF, the French energy giant, has quit over its plans to build George Osborne’s new pet project…
At first glance, this seems odd: isn’t the whole problem that the Chancellor has pledged so much taxpayers’ money to this white elephant so the public will be royally ripped off to the benefit of French (and, recently, Chinese) investors? When it’s up and running, yes…
But the French still need to find the cash for the remaining two-thirds stake in this £18 billion project – and they’re struggling. No matter how much the Chancellor promises to rip off the taxpayer when it’s up and running…
The most remarkable thing about the project is how it has managed to evade Osborne’s cull of subsidies for other low-carbon power projects. While money is being saved on wind and sea power, the battle to bail out Hinkley Point C is being fought as if the Chancellor’s career depended on it. He used his recent trip to China to offer yet another sweetener for investors in Hinkley Point. The government, he said, would guarantee £2 billion worth of loans for the project, describing the deal as a ‘golden relationship between Britain and China — the world’s oldest civil nuclear power and the world’s fastest-growing civil nuclear power’. China has even been invited to build its own plant in Essex, to the dismay of our spies, who spend much time trying to ensure nuclear power stations are protected from Chinese cyber-espionage…
The Treasury’s bribes may only be the start: it has sought, and been granted, EU permission to guarantee up to £16 billion worth of loans — enough to fund nearly two thirds of Hinkley Point’s current estimated construction cost of £24 billion. There is no reason to believe that figure, though…READ ON
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/03/even-the-french-are-starting-to-realise-that-hinkley-point-is-a-turkey/
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I couldn’t care less that Hinkley Point is considered a turkey. If those persons in political power are taken in enough to fork out the huge (up front and projected) cost for this plant, then they are the f00ls.
Consider why I don’t care.
To supply the same total electrical power that Hinkley will deliver, you will need between 42 and 55 Huge scale wind plants of 500MW nameplate, and at a probable cost of $2 Billion per plant, then the base price comes in at $84 Billion, and that’s just to construct them.
At least Hinkley will deliver 24/7/365 Power.
Tony.
And trust me, the Maths is accurate.
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Couldn’t agree with you more Tony. There is another similar issue close to my heart regarding alternate energy.
There is a proposal for a 320 MW, $1.2 billion Swansea Bay Tidal Lagoon in my home town of Swansea in Wales.
The local people and politicians are all for this project, blissfully unaware of the real cost of this ‘free’ renewable energy.
I wonder if you could do a quick bit of maths to make similar comparisons between the Tidal project in Swansea and a locally built Coal Fired plant.
There is as we all know no shortage of coal in Wales and if the price was right they could easily find the miners!
Regards Geoff W Sydney
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As a start, the 320MW is for 14 hours a day is the projection so that’s 2 blocks of 5 hours when the lagoon will not supply any power.
http://www.tidallagoonswanseabay.com/the-project/proposal-overview-and-vision/51/
Tallawarra at Illawarra in NSW used to have a 320MW coal generator so maybe Tony can use this for capital costing comparisons. The cost of those missing 10 hours of generating capacity would be hard to quantify since storing 3.2 GWh of energy isn’t trivial
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An update for anyone still viewing this posting….
The lagoon is projected to produce 495 GWh each year so the average output will only be 56.5 MW giving a capacity factor of 17.6%
See the How much energy will the tidal lagoon produce? section at
http://www.tidallagoonswanseabay.com/the-project/faqs/59/
And some info on the main person driving this proposal
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/03/06/meet-the-man-who-wants-to-be-britains-first-tycoon-of-tides/
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Hi Analitik, I’m still here. Thanks for the responses, most informative. Great research I will get into it some more.
My feeling is that tidal is not at all a convenient form of energy. And just because we do have the ability to harvest tidal energy, doesn’t mean that we should. If the average person had any idea of the complexity and engineering inovations that go into a coal fired power station, then they would realize that it was a concept at least equal to that of tidal energy.
Regards Geoff W
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Could it be that there isn’t any reason for them to stump up the money,when they will still have to play second fiddle to Renewables”
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Looking at the stats confirms what I have felt for some time;
There is an ‘air of change’ taking place in the media.
Regards Geoff W
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Not in the Guardian or Fairfax rags.
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Isn’t it in their buyer numbers?
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A political debate on climate change would be hard to ignore, interesting to see how the Guardian and Fairfax handle it.
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A funny thought.
If a banker does a good job, he is promoted. The personnel monitoring systems identify the stars and the middlemen and the no hopers. The no hopers are moved out.
In the acting business, budding young actors make the best of every opportunity. The good ones advance to top billings and awards. The middle men become the support actors or stars of B grade movies. The no hopers leave the business.
If a climate scientist does a really good job, it is unlikely that they will be identified as above the pack. It is the manipulative types of no hopers who go on to be Professors at UNSW.
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The Climate Change Department at the University of New South Wales.
http://www.ccrc.unsw.edu.au/ccrc-team
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I only know one of these blokes. I would not let him mow my lawn.
They should follow Yale’s lead.
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7 Mar: ReutersCarbonPulse: Mike Szabo: Current EU climate targets mean €5 EUAs, little fuel-switching through 2030 -Barclays
European carbon allowances will average €5 through all of the fourth phase of the EU ETS (2021-2030) under the bloc’s current climate targets, meaning prices won’t be high enough to incentivise Europe’s biggest utilities to shift towards burning cleaner fuels until after 2030, Barclays said in an analyst report Monday…
“Our estimate of the EUA price that would be necessary for a 50%-efficient gas plant to displace a 36%-efficient coal plant … [is] €23 in 2016, rising to €29 by 2019,” they added.
“This means that in our base case projections the merit order for fossil fuel generators remains unchanged, with lignite and coal running ahead of gas all the way out to 2030 and lignite and coal generators simply buying EUAs in the market to cover excess emissions.”
Dirtier lignite and coal have remained atop the merit order for utilities in most EU countries over the past five years due to falling coal and carbon prices in relation to gas.
Coal-to-gas fuel switching is currently only being witnessed in countries such as the UK, where unilateral measures have been taken to further increase carbon or coal costs, forcing coal-fired generation down the merit order…
http://carbon-pulse.com/16673/
7 Mar: ReutersCarbonPulse: Stian Reklev: Carbon Markets: Shanghai CO2 price finds fresh depths as China’s pilot markets face difficult year
Shanghai’s CO2 allowance price fell to a record low 8.50 yuan ($1.30) on Monday, with other Chinese carbon prices remaining depressed across the board amid uncertainty surrounding how the pilot schemes will cope with falling emissions and the looming transition to a national ETS.
The Shanghai spot contract fell 5.6% from 9 yuan to close at the lowest price ever seen in any of the Chinese pilots, although it was on light volume of 5,901 allowances changing hands.
“I think it is a mix of thin demand, no support due to there being no auctions, and a lot of allowances borrowed by institutional investors,” one observer told Carbon Pulse.
Last month, a firm owned by UK-headquartered Carbon Trading Capital and local trading house Guotai Junan borrowed a total of 2.4 million allowances from emitters to use for speculative trading…
http://carbon-pulse.com/16664/
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more info on the Carbon Trading Capital deal as reported by ReutersCarbonPulse above:
28 Jan: BusinessTimesSingapore: Reuters: Shanghai carbon exchange aids first custody contract to build trade
The Shanghai Environment and Energy Exchange announced its first “custody contract” on Thursday, allowing a brokerage to borrow permits from a local company and trade them, in a bid to inject liquidity in a depressed market…
They are now scrambling to stay in business by offering a range of other financial tools, including buy-back contracts, loans using permits as collateral, permit-credit swaps and forward contracts negotiated over the counter.
Under the custody contract, Wujing Thermal Power Plant, a subsidiary of the State Power Investment Corporation, one of China’s biggest power firms, transferred 2 million permits to Carbon Trading Capital…
Capital is a brokerage firm registered with all seven of the country’s regional exchanges…
According to the rules, borrowers have to pay a 30 per cent margin as a risk deposit. Mr Kou said the deal is risk-free since Shanghai is supporting the banking of older local permits that the Chinese
government will convert for use in the national market in 2017…
No permits have traded since early September when the permit price fell close to a near-historical low of 13.4 yuan…
http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/banking-finance/shanghai-carbon-exchange-aids-first-custody-contract-to-build-trade
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According to Dana Nuccatelli in his Guardian Article:
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2016/mar/07/during-the-most-important-year-for-climate-news-tv-coverage-fell
Well he got that right.
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Dana’s highpoint was winning Climate Prat of the Year 2013. It’s all been downhill for him since then.
https://thepointman.wordpress.com/2013/12/20/climate-prat-of-2013-we-have-a-winnah/
Pointman
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Breaking Nooze
‘The NSW Liberals have formally called on the Turnbull government to conduct public debates about climate change – including whether the science is settled – in a stark reminder of the deep divisions within the party over the issue.
‘A motion passed at the party’s state council calls on the government to “arrange and hold public debates/discussions” between scientists from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and “independent climate scientists”.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/nsw-liberals-call-for-national-debates-on-climate-change-science-20160307-gnd3zn.html#ixzz42Iy70N6I
Follow us: @smh on Twitter | sydneymorningherald on Facebook
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According to Fairfax:
So if that report is accurate it won’t happen …
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Its amazing. Is there anyone in the Liberals who puts a higher priority on wining the election this year than beating up on Turncoat??
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It’s hard to fathom why getting rid of Abbott would increase the Liberal’s chance of reelection when Abbott already led them to a landslide victory? His problem in government was the senate while his own team planned his demise and undermined, much as Gillard undermined Rudd. Malcolm as Minister for communications refused to control his ABC. We now have a cuckoo in the nest as Lord Monckton warned.
However the current move in the Senate is puzzling. Without the independents like PUP, Abbott could never have removed the carbon tax and the mining tax but Turnbull now wants to remove the independents in a double dissolution and restore Labor/Green control? Plus Gay Marriage.
Someone who really wanted to pass legislation would simply threaten. Perversely the independents may frustrate a double dissolution by passing Abbott’s Building and Construction industry bill, and keep their senate jobs for another three years. Another Turnbull achievement.
So it is clear Australia has a Green party PM. So why the Liberals still support Turnbull is not understood. It is fear of Abbott’s real popularity which is behind Niki Sava’s mysogynist book and her husband works for Turnbull. If Turnbull remains, an ETS is certain. Turnbull always gets what he wants. If Shorten/Albanese/Plibersek succeed, an ETS is also certain.
Australia’s only hope is Abbott. You cannot imagine Malcolm sitting on the ground in his firefighting outfit. It is all about manicured Malcolm in a suit on a tram, man of the people. Now Malcolm’s friends are getting scared as people see the same ineffectual, waffling, do nothing rich hand puppet they remember.
The job of the ABC/CSIRO/SBS/Fairfax is to keep running stories about Climate Change. After thirty years of nothing happening, even seven years since Copenhagen, the hirdy girdy is just turning slower. The message is unchanged. Pay up. The UN wants money and control and Rudd/Gillard/Turnbull/Bishop want the world stage like Helen Clarke.
In this new world, the political machine is all about the politicians, not the country. It is why Trump is winning. The party machines are run by factions, Liberals and Republicans as much as Labor and Democrats. The biggest problems facing Australia are not gay marriage and a republic and the climate and a new constitution. There is only one man in Australian politics people trust and he thinks climate change science is crap, socialism posing as environmentalism. He is right. Malcolm in the muddle is worried.
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