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More cheap potential Covid treatments, Ivermectin saves 50%

Coronavirus may leave a trail of benefits in its wake. Who knew that there were so many cheap antivirals around? Will people get fed up with the limited choices on offer next time there is a quarantine.

While newspapers in Australia were pretty keen to share the discovery of an antiviral role for HCQ, not so many were interested in the followup studies.

Ivermectin, like hydroxychloroquine is a kind of superdrug — in the sense of being in worldwide mass use.  Some 3.7 billion doses are estimated to have been given since its approval. It has been called the Japanese Wonder Drug. It’s the farm drench, a head lice treatment, and works against worm, mites and ticks too.

It was estimated to reduce viral loads in vitro massively but most people didn’t think it would work at lower safe doses. Then Bangladeshi doctors claim it was “astounding”. Last month US tests suggest that it reduced deaths by 40%. (Rajter)

These are all every priminary results.  More studies are promised for Ivermectin. Especially in Peru, where a grassroots movement of Doctors has ensured it will be used.

A US clinical trial of the drug ivermectin found that it reduced the mortality rate of COVID-19 patients by 40%.

This study was published in medRxiv and was led by Dr Jean-Jacques Rajter a physician at Broward Health Medical Center. The study assessed 280 coronavirus patients over the age of 18, with 173 being treated with the drug and 107 having standard care for the virus. The study found that overall mortality in those who took the treatment was 15% compared to those who did not take it, who had a 25% mortality rate. This would equate to a 40% drop overall.

US Trial Finds Drug Cuts Coronavirus Mortality 40%

David A Patten, News Max

The findings reported in Medrxiv, “ICON (Ivermectin in COVID-19) Study: Use of Ivermectin Is Associated With Lower Mortality in Hospitalized Patients With COVID-19,” said that patients who took part in the trial were given a single dose of the anti-parasitic medication, and some received a second dose a week later.

The dose given the COVID-19 patients was the same as the FDA-approved dose used to treat patients with intestinal parasites.

Perhaps the study’s most impressive finding: The effect the drug had on 75 sick COVID-19 patients who were suffering from “severe pulmonary disease” – a very high-risk group.

Of patients in that group who did not receive ivermectin, 81% died. Yet the mortality rate for patients with severe pulmonary disease who did receive ivermectin was 39 percent.

A long review of Ivermectin last month said that it had several possible mechanisms, and “several studies reported antiviral effects”:

 Several studies reported antiviral effects of ivermectin on RNA viruses such as Zika, dengue, yellow fever, West Nile, Hendra, Newcastle, Venezuelan equine encephalitis, chikungunya, Semliki Forest, Sindbis, Avian influenza A, Porcine Reproductive and Respiratory Syndrome, Human immunodeficiency virus type 1, and severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus . — Heiary et al (2020)

Which suggests it may have a long future.

h/t Conan Kirton, and nb

REFERENCE

Rajter et al (2020) ICON (Ivermectin in COvid Nineteen) study: Use of Ivermectin is Associated with Lower Mortality in Hospitalized Patients with COVID19, doi: https://doi.org/10.1101/2020.06.06.20124461

Heidary eta l (2020) Ivermectin: a systematic review from antiviral effects to COVID-9 complementary regimen, The Journal of Antibiotics

Caly, L. et al (2020) The FDA-approved Drug Ivermectin inhibits the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in vitrohttps://doi.org/10.1016/j.antiviral.2020.104787   https://www.nature.com/articles/s41429-020-0336-z

 

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78 comments to More cheap potential Covid treatments, Ivermectin saves 50%

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    Ian1946

    I imagine this drug will be OK As Donald Trump has not mentioned it. /sarc

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    Another Ian

    Might not be cheap but


    Russian University Successfully Completes First COVID-19 Vaccine Trials”

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russian-university-successfully-completes-first-vaccine-trials

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    David Maddison

    If it works, or if too many GP’s (family doctors) prescribe it the Australian Government will probably ban it for C-19 treatment just as they did for HCQ.

    But as stated above, it has a better chance of success than HCQ because President Trump’s experts haven’t mentioned it. They don’t need to because their prefered Zelenko cocktail of HCQ, Zn and Azi seems to be effective for EARLY STAGE infection (before the infection moves to the lungs and creates a deadly cytokine storm for which there is a poor chance of recovery with or without antivirals).

    Ivermectin is currently being used in Bolivia for C-19 treatment.

    This is not to say unbiased clinical trials shouldn’t be conducted (but is that even possible anymore with this disease?). But in the absence of trial data for C-19 use and given the ban on HCQ in Australia and the absence of permitted early stage treatments, under the bioethical doctrine of primum non nocere, it should be used. There is at least evidence for its antiviral and anti C-19 properties.

    And C-19 treatment and protocols (lockdowns etc.) is not about saving lives but the far more important objective of proving “orange man bad”.

    Plus there seems to be an inate Australian Government bias against off-label use of cheap and possibly effective drugs (which would be harmless even if they didn’t work).

    The Government (and useful idiot) attitude is that drugs need to be expensive and have adverse side effects (in some) and be of only marginal effectiveness (Remdesivir) to warrant approval for C-19 because otherwise you must be a Trumpophile.

    The Australian Government’s anti-science and anti-scientific inquiry attitude is indicated by 1) the current health minister’s ban on HCQ, 2) his previous refusal to allow an inquiry into data tampering at the BoM and 3) the Government having one of the world’s most fanatical and self-destructive commitments to the belief in anthropogenic global warming.

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      David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

      G’day David,
      Yesterday I got an emailed reply to one I sent my local federal member back in May. He’d forwarded my comment about hcq to Greg Hunt, (our Federal Minister for Health), a very welcome surprise. The minister replied, and included the following link:
      https://www.wehi.edu.au/news/covid19-prevention-trial-opens-high-risk-healthcare-workers
      The “wehi” is the Walter and Eliza Hall institute, which does medical research. The study is to investigate the use of hcq as a prophylaxis (great) for use by health care workers. Will take 4 months (not so great).
      Zinc is not included, but is mentioned as only being required if the patient is deficient in it, a position which sounds at least debatable to me.
      Overall, it’s an interesting reply from Minister Hunt, but does not address the immediate question of why not use the Zelenko cocktail, now and early as he prescribes.
      I’ve not yet drafted a reply.
      Cheers
      Dave B

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        David Maddison

        Hi Dave,

        Good news. I also wrote to Hunt and I specifically asked why doctors aren’t allowed to prescribe HCQ and also stated tthat they should be allowed to follow the Zelenko protocol exactly, i.e. start administering HCQ immediately upon suspicion of infection and before Stage 2 and infection of the lungs and the cytokine storm happens. At the very least, the treatment would be harmless and there is nothing else on offer.

        Regards,

        David

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      Murray Shaw

      David, a clinic in Melbourne is running trial with HCQ. It is not banned, just gone underground somewhat because of the Trump backlash. Seems to be going well.

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        Lucky

        Illegal,banned, and cannot be prescribed are indeed different, but a patient who wants, or needs, the item still can not get it.

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      David Maddison

      I wonder on the basis of those results if alcoholics have a lower rate of C-19 infection?

      If you Google alcohol and Covid-19 you just get a bunch of warnings from the control freaks not to use or abuse alcohol during the plague.

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        WXcycles

        Unfortunately Listerine and other mouth washes have no alcohol in them any longer. It still tastes like Listerine but there’s none of the punch with it any longer.

        [On other matters, try buying a tooth brush that doesn't feel like its made out of feathers. It's supposed to BRUSH your teeth (scrub them!), not caress them, I can not stand soft tooth brushes, and I'm betting I'm in the majority ... had to share]

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          Bill In Oz

          WXC, I bought Listerine yesterday.
          Alcohol is listed as the second ingredient after water.
          I suggest that there will be a rush by folks to buy it.
          So get in to the supermarkets early.

          And by the way it is the action of gargling which kills the virus.
          That way the mouthwash gets to the back of the throat and nasal passages where the virus first infects the body

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          David Maddison

          WXcycles, most mouthwashes do contain ethanol but Listerine and others all have non-alcohol versions for people who don’t consume or use alcohol for religious reasons.

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            Interesting. Though most of the review is “in vitro”.

            As for mouthwash, clinical studies have not systematically examined how effective nasal rinsing is for preventing respiratory infections.

            Mouthwashes widely utilized in daily oral and dental hygiene for cosmetic and medical reasons and have demonstrated acceptable tolerability when used multiple times daily for durations of 6 months and longer. Despite this, the impact of rinsing with these agents on throat tissue health needs to be seriously considered, since the viral lipid membrane is effectively the same as that of the host. Some of these agents, such as ethanol and hydrogen peroxide may, if used several times a day over a period of 2–3 months, induce mucosal inflammation.

            But for short term use — eg on people living with a known carrier, they might reduce the viral load shed by the carrier, which would be quite useful in reducing spread to close contacts. They won’t do anything to viruses breathed in past the epiglottis or swallowed. But every cheap success is worth pursuing.

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          TedM

          Yes I hate soft tooth brushes. At least I did when I still had teeth to brush.

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          Lucky

          A hard bristle can damage tooth enamel.
          Soft brushing is sufficient to clean out muck from the surface and between teeth.

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        el gordo

        I haven’t seen any data on alcohol as a preventive.

        ‘Alcohol in the body at the time of exposure to a pathogen tends to impair the body’s immediate immune response to the pathogen, making it easier for an infection to develop.’ NIH

        There is data on smokers and its good news for a change, Covid-19 cases are under represented amongst this fraternity.

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          Bill In Oz

          In other words,
          Don’t swallow the alcohol ?

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          Roger Knights

          “There is data on smokers and its good news for a change, Covid-19 cases are under represented amongst this fraternity.”

          Let us know if there’s any data on vaping. The FDA / CDC immediately advised citizens to stop smoking and vaping, so it would be delightful to see them exposed as foolish again.

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          greggg

          Drinking alcohol makes a big difference to how much of a hold infection takes. The only time I’ve had cold or flu symptoms in the past twenty something years has been after drinking alcohol when infected.

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    David Maddison

    Related: Tony Heller’s latest video about the efficacy or otherwise, of lockdowns for C-19.

    https://youtu.be/z34ILhFs-xs

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      Sigh.

      In nearly every country that does a proper lockdown the exponential growth curve flattens 12 days later. In countries that do that but don’t close borders, the daily new cases tail goes on and on and on. It’s easy to ignore the 12 day lag when making graphs that claim to show that “lockdowns don’t work” but it doesn’t change the need to dig mass graves.

      Comparing NY (incompetent then success) with Sweden (half lockdown, 50% live by themselves anyway, and half “success”) is not going to give much insight into anything, except for “how awful it can get in a high density cold city”.

      There are so many factors (climate, demographics, Vit D, HCQ, ivermectin, co-morbidities, viral strain) which cause vastly different death rates that it’s possible to make almost any conclusion at all with careful selection of certain whole nations. But some factors are so strong — like lockdowns and masks — that even gross epidemiology sweeping studies show an effect. ie Countries that lockdown, and countries that wear masks are more successful. Some things are obvious.

      As for the death of NZ tourism, ponder that the countries that did a lockdown well are now welcome travellers and the countries that managed it incompetently are not. NZ’ers will be welcome anywhere with any country they want to open their border too, but most nations don’t want their people to visit Sweden or the US.

      If NZ is like Australia we spend more on foreign travel than foreign travellers spend on us. Just getting Australians to visit Australia will more than fix the deficit.

      As for the “danger” of avoiding influenza and coronavirus for a year, when we are not yet sure whether people develop long lasting immunity at all, the harm of skipping the first and likely most deadly strains could be zero, or even a negative number. Hands up who’d rather catch covid next year or the year after when Docs know what they are doing, or there is a vaccine?

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        A C Osborn

        Jo, it is much worse than that, Mr Heller has gone over to the dark side of only showing the data that suits his argument ala Climate Activists.
        He has been banning my posts for at least a month where I pointed out that he is not showing all the other countries that have used lockdown and masks that blow away Sweden’s so called good performance.
        I posted a lot of contradictory data, especially Czechia, which he would not show his acolytes who all believe COVID19 is a conspiracy and lockdowns and masks don’t work.

        The other point is why does anyone think that Sweden won’t also get more waves when they only have an infection rate of 12.5%, how they think that represents Herd Immunity I don’t know.

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          Orson

          Well. One hopes that in 9 months, given at least one effective vaccine (or even a suite), Tony’s Dark Side will be rubbished to the past. Here’s hoping, because he’s as important in exposing data temp fraud as anyone else, Jo included.

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    Lance

    Brazil ivermectin / HCQ study video.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGAlQbWCi6Y

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      RickWill

      Eloquent informative presentation. This is the link provided in the clip:
      https://c19study.com

      I am wondering what has changed in Sweden. It could be a function of keeping it away from vulnerable, population being tremendously cautious, finding and isolating individual cases and more effective treatment but their death rate is down to 1/4th of what it was at the peak.

      One of the risks with following the Brazilian method in more developed countries is the risk of litigation. Most doctors and their employers are so scared of litigation that they only follow prescribed protocols. Typically they have to come from a recognised authority following double blind trials.

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    Reported in the Oz today that NSW will not lockdown its economy even as C-19 cases rise. Perhaps the NSW leaders are just beginning to understand the awful damage lockdowns cause and that they don’t eliminate the virus. Perhaps some understanding is finally creeping into their consciousness. Meanwhile, no such luck that any such understanding will creep into Premier Andrews brain in Victoria, assuming he has one – also reported he said he may be forced to move to tougher restrictions. He remains the most turgidly stupid and malevolent state leader in the country, blindly thrashing out in the only way he seems to be capable of.

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      David Maddison

      Not even Do Pi Dan’s Chi-comm controllers in China think anything but lockdown of isolated areas plus sensible measures are a good idea.

      They wouldn’t dream of destroying their whole economy as Victoriastan and Australia have done or are doing.

      But think of all the cheap Australian assets the Chi-comms will be able to purchase or repossess once the economy is fully destroyed.

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      Bulldust

      And the ‘experts’ get trotted out to suggest we should aim for elimination:

      https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-14/calls-for-coronavirus-elimination-strategy-replace-suppression/12452660

      This is why you never. ever, ever put experts in charge of an economy. Invariably they have one dimensional views of the world that orient around their particular field of ‘expertise.’

      Though I do see the CCP virus has lost its lustre at the ABC, as they are back on the refugees are wonderful, and why we should ban everything associated with whiteness stories again.

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    David Maddison

    It won’t be tested in Australia (because HCQ and “orange man bad”) but there is a hypothesis that HCQ and ivermectin may work in a complementary and synergistic manner against C-19.

    It’s worth testing in a country more open to scientific inquiry and common sense than Australia is.

    https://www.jaad.org/article/S0190-9622(20)30557-0/pdf

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      Bill In Oz

      Go buy some at a farm supplies store mate.
      It is an over the counter animal use drug for worms, lice etc.
      DEAD EASY !
      Millions of farmers have done it since the 1980′s
      Join the crowd !

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    el gordo

    Third waves hits HK.

    ‘Barely two weeks since people began returning to Hong Kong’s gyms and cinemas, and venturing out for dim sum in larger groups as social-distancing regulations were eased after the apparently successful containment of Covid-19, the coronavirus has returned with a vengeance.

    ‘Experts describe this third wave of infections as the most severe yet and have called for immediate suppression measures as well as extensive testing to control the outbreak.’

    SCMP

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      David Maddison

      In the absence of any effective treatment that is allowed to be used, sooner or later enough people have to get infected until herd immunity is established.

      Either pay now, or pay later when never-infected people are released from lockdown. The virus needs to run its course.

      Some question whether HCQ antibodies last long enough to establish herd immunity but the fact that infections have dramatically dropped in Sweden where there were no lockdowns imply herd immunity was established (at least for long enough to extinguish the virus). See Tony Heller’s latest video I referenced above.

      Those who wish to destroy our economies refuse to let HCQ to be properly tested or used (and likely ivermectin as well) and are hanging out for a vaccine as wanted by Emperor Gates and which may or may not be possible or effective or almost useless drugs like Remdesivir.

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        A C Osborn

        Mr Heller is not telling the whole truth is he, no mention of all the countries that did far better than Sweden, which only has the population of New York or London. He is acting like a Climate Activist only showing the data that supports his arguments.
        If you really think that herd immunity can be gained with 12.5% of the population you know a lot more than the virolgists do.

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        A C Osborn

        ps Sweden are 7th worst in the world for Deaths/Million, what about the 190 countries better than them?
        Sweden have also changed their data to make it look better, compare worldoemeters with worldindata, worldindate still shows the data that used to be on worldometers.
        Like the 17th of June which used to show 102 detahs for that day, now shows just 32, or 22nd use to show 69 and now shows just 19.
        I know beacuse I was keeping a record of the UKs and Swedens daily cases & deaths.

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    Rosco

    Stupid is as stupid does.

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-11/remdesivir-approved-by-tga-coronavirus-covid-19-australia/12446036

    Remdesivir has been approved as Australia’s first coronavirus treatment option, but it is “not a silver bullet” and will not be available to everyone.

    Yet https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31022-9/fulltext

    “Interpretation
    In this study of adult patients admitted to hospital for severe COVID-19, remdesivir was not associated with statistically significant clinical benefits. However, the numerical reduction in time to clinical improvement in those treated earlier requires confirmation in larger studies.”

    And it is expensive as hell !

    But HCQ https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30534-8/fulltext

    “Conclusions and Relevance
    In this multi-hospital assessment, when controlling for COVID-19 risk factors, treatment with hydroxychloroquine alone and in combination with azithromycin was associated with reduction in COVID-19 associated mortality. Prospective trials are needed to examine this impact.”

    Just how idiotic are our governments ?

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      WXcycles

      Just how idiotic are our governments ?

      That’s a tough question, I believe it depends on who the donor is, and how big their donations are.

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      RickWill

      Rosco asked:

      Just how idiotic are our governments ?

      This gives an idea:
      https://www.9news.com.au/national/melbourne-hotel-quarantine-security-guard-tells-of-explosive-allegations-ahead-of-inquiry/fc012782-2491-4f6a-8f3b-ddd6fb814610
      From a security guard organised by the Andrews Government to look after hotel security:

      “When I knew that there was positive cases in the hotel I have asked them, do I need to go for a test or something? And they said no, no, no don’t worry, don’t stress because we need people, so if you (go) for a test they will ask you to self-isolate, so don’t go, we will let you know when to go for a test,” he said.

      The simple answer to the question – BOUNDLESS.

      That said it has become quite clear that there are a few people who make governments look sensible in the idiotic stakes.

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      Lance

      Albert Einstein: ” Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I’m not sure about the former.”

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    Saighdear

    Hmm, Late night muddled thoughts – but maybe no, Ivermectin for cattle, etc and the other common drugs used – against viruses and other illnesses…. ?? thought they were Anti – Bugs ie a Pesticide for use on Animals. So, for agricutlural think at this time of night, is the CoronaVirus a wee beastie, really? and if it IS a Beastie…… and I thought our Midgies and Horseflies were bad.

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    David Maddison

    In the absence of any treatment that is both approved plus known to be effective (e.g. Remdesivir is approved but not known to work effectively, if at all) what can possibly go wrong with using either the Zelenko “cocktail” of HCQ, Zinc and Azi *immediately* upon suspicion of *early stage* infection or ivermectin? Both drugs are harmless, cheap and available right now in proper countries (except HCQ banned in Australia for C-19). Even if they don’t work there is nothing else that can possibly stop early stages of the infection. There is nothing to lose.

    Incidentally Remdesivir in Australia will cost about $4000 per dose but supposedly the drug company donated some doses.

    Plus the above trial mentioned by Rosco showed effectiveness of HCQ but again failed to use zinc supplementation as required by the Zekenko protocol because susceptible people seem to be zinc deficient and zinc is vital for HCQ to work.

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    RickWill

    It is very clear that the most effective “treatment” for CV19 is to avoid contracting it.

    This is an interesting plea from a well known AFL footballer:
    https://www.instagram.com/tv/CCkdtRiB-gZ/?utm_source=ig_embed

    It is heart felt and should have a positive impact on the most CV19 impacted group in Victoria. At 2:35, there is a specific request.

    .. follow protocols as best we can.

    The qualification is to provide the necessary wriggle room to accommodate the higher power.

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    Jonesy

    Sooooo, I am a worm infested anorexic with malaria and I’m good to go ;-)

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    nb

    So far the cheap prophylactics and treatments are:
    Ivermectin
    Hydroxychloroquine with zinc
    Vitamin D
    BCG vaccine
    Each seems to have a very substantial effect.

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    nb

    So far the cheap prophylactics and treatments are:
    Ivermectin
    Hydroxychloroquine with zinc
    Vitamin D
    BCG vaccine
    Each seems to have a very substantial effect.

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    Yonason

    Public Service Announcement

    Attention all those who think an effective and harmless vaccine for COVID-19 can be made. Feel free to put your faith to the test.
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/07/horror-show-dr-fauci-niaid-conducting-coronavirus-vaccine-trials-looking-volunteers/

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    David Maddison

    I have zero confidence in the Australian Government’s ability to medically manage C-19.

    Don’t forget, as with their climate advisers, their medical advisers only get into high positions by giving the answers their employers (the politicians) want to hear. Just as the climate advisers haven’t been in a lab for the last 30 years, neither have the medical advisors been in a lab or seen a patient for about the same time.

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      Serp

      Yes. Victoria has led the downhill charge but NSW is poised to overtake it and then we’ll descend into what could be decades of chaos post the inevitable collapse; I’d hoped to be dead before this living nightmare arrived.

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        Another Ian

        Can you hook that up to make renewable energy?

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        Rob Kennedy

        There was a story on the morning radio (3AW) that a junior official sent emails to higher authorities 24 hours after the initial hotel quarantines in Melbourne began warning of serious problems with the scheme as it was. That was back in March. Nothing done to correct this. A Sir Humphrey Appleby clone probably assured the relevant minister that everything was under control. Bureaucracy at its finest. And, , , they still don’t share personally in the financial havoc they create.

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    Ross

    The “mectins” group of anthelmintics (animal drenches eg sheep and cattle )are also called the macrocyclic lactone groupB. The 3 main actives sold into the Australian livestock market are Ivermectin, abamectin and moxidectin. Human worm control in Australia is based around pyrantel and mebendazole. Mebendazole is part of the benzimidazole group (or BZ’s) which were revolutionary when introduced in the late 1950′s / 1960′s into Australia. Companion animals (eg cats and dogs) also use pyrantel and mebendazole mostly but Ivermectin is registered in Australia for heartworm ( + other worms) control in dogs. The mectins would now all be off patent so there is no interest for any company to develop this group any further. Same situation as HCQ. So there’s a huge hurdle to overcome to ever get the mectins registered for human use in Australia. Never going to happen unless there is huge political influence and subsidised by non commercial interests. Even once that happened there would need to be substantial toxicology studies either performed here or contributed from overseas studies (RCT’s). Thats years of work.

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    Rob Kennedy

    If you have not heard of Dr. Vernon Coleman MB ChB DSc FRSA watch this video. He has a different opinion.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUNdvN6IHqU

    International best-selling author, explains why ‘they’ need a second wave and why the publicity about it will warn us that it is worse than Covid-19. He also explains why we all need a survival plan.
    For more unbiased information about other important issues, please visit http://www.vernoncoleman.com The transcripts of the videos that YouTube banned are also on the website.

    Vernon Coleman wrote the international bestselling book How to Stop Your Doctor Killing You in 1996.

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    Murray Shaw

    Been working well as a sheep and cattle drench. May have to spill a bit on myself. Does not come any cheaper than that.

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      Another Ian

      Tax deductible too

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        Bill In Oz

        For farmers yes.

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          Gf

          It’s hard not to get a few splashes bouncing back when using the pour on cattle version.would have had thousands of hits since it became available. If a dog accidentally gets a massive overdose they suffer temporary blindness.

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            StephenP

            Ivermectin is not used on Collie (Lassie) type dogs in the UK as there have been cases where its use owas fatal.
            However it was very effective on my Labrador when she caught fox mange.
            I believe there are now mectins that are safer for dogs.

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    David Maddison

    Does anyone know the status of the millions of doses of HCQ that were said to have been purchased by Clive Palmer?

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    StephenP

    One problem that niggles me a bit where countries keep Corvid 19 out of their territory is when the rest of the world come to visit.
    In the 1960s there was a vogue in pig farming for minimal disease pigs which were delivered by caesarian section and reared away from other pigs to found a minimal disease herd.
    The pigs did grow faster on less feed, but the problem came if in spite of strict biosecurity they had a whiff of disease they ended up with a lot of dead pigs owing to their lack of disease resistance.
    Would countries with no resistance to C19 suffer from a similar problem, in the absence of an effective vaccine?

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    Meglort

    And everyone’s favourite fake news outlet the ABC still even today stating in their propagandised muck that masquerades as journalism, that HCQ was shown to be ineffective (quoting the discredited and withdrawn Lancet anti-science) and that there is no known link between the Melbourne (Non) Black Lives (Don’t) Matter Neo-Marxist uprisings despite it being officially recognised that there is.

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    Orson

    French study shows without HCQ, Swiss Case Fatality Rate more than doubles in June, then falls back to under 5% when use resumes

    Amazing graphical proof that HCQ use save many, many lives, because when the Lancet study claiming death threat from HQC use caused the Swiss to cease using this cheap medication, CFR jumps to over 12% for two weeks. Yet when the use returns (and the Lancet retraction occurs), Swiss CFR drops stunningly again.

    And during that period is the only period when Swiss CFR reaches French CFR, where HCQ is not used.

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