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    Graeme No.3

    Insomnia is the mother of first posting.

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      Bill in Oz

      Step mother Graeme !
      And just as unwelcome !
      Good to have a coffee & yarn with you on Friday

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      Annie

      Or you are living much further west :)

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      reformed warmist of logan

      Good morning,
      That is true!
      And the father of 1st (& early) postings is people who are OCD. about trying to reverse this “Warmist Gravy Train”!
      But seriously.
      Jo I only just now noticed your excellent Brazil update in the quiet before the storm.
      (16/5, 2 days before that great day in May!)
      Brilliant as usual.
      However, 2 of your 3 media/sources are undated.
      Jo could you possibly help my seemingly endless research and remedy?
      101 thanks in anticipation.
      Your awe-struck fan.
      Reformed Warmist of Logan.

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    Graeme No.3

    I have been sceptical about the claim that early Viking settlers in Iceland grew wheat, thinking that the word Korn (meaning grain e.g. wheat, barley, rye) had been confused by the British usage of Corn to mean wheat. I knew that they had been growing barley since 1925 (after 400 years when the climate was too cold) after the average annual temperature shot up from 1℃ to 4.5℃, but I found out that they now grow wheat in Iceland, starting in the last decade.
    Supposedly wheat requires an average annual temperature of 10℃, but with all the plant breeding in the last century they have a very cold resistant variety. They plant in late summer and harvest at the end of the next summer. And they only grow near the sea with copious quantities of seaweed. The same practice apparently used by the early settlers.
    I should have known better, as southern Iceland is the same latitude as Trondheim in Norway where they undoubtedly grew wheat during the Medieval Warm Period.

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      Graeme No.3

      I should make it plain that Iceland hasn’t continued warming since the 1920′s contrary to unsubstantiated claims about global warming which some people believe.

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        Latus Dextro

        Indeed,

        Growing Iceland, Greenland glaciers make scientists gasp

        According to researchers at the University of Iceland, each of the country’s glaciers will expand this year for the first time in the past 25 years. These are the largest glaciers in Iceland: Hofsjökull is third largest after Vatnajökull and Langjökull, while Mýrdalsjökull is the country’s fourth largest ice cap.

        The research study project manager, Finnur Pálsson, observed that he regarded the reversal to be “unusual.” He noted that Langjökull had been losing around one and a half meters of ice per year for the past 20 years, “but in the last few years he has been close to zero, that is, he has neither expanded nor diminished. And that applies to this year, both for Vatnajökull and Langjökull as well.”

        Careful to avoid a politically-incorrect narrative contradicting “global warming” mantra, Pálsson simply observed, “It is a fact that it has been colder the last few years. And there was more snowfall in August on the upper part of Langjökull, which is very unusual.”

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      To play the Grain Growin’ Game requires far more than average temperature.

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      Bill in Oz

      Graeme they are not growing wheat in the Victorian high country.
      It’s freezing there this year.
      And the ABC is reporting an Indian national missing there at Marysville.
      So much for global warming.Missing in action
      MIA !

      https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-14/police-widen-search-for-young-missing-man-poshik-sharma/11307570

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        Annie

        No wheat hereabouts, for sure.
        I hope that lost chap is found; the weather here is not at all good for unplanned camping…in fact, it is singularly unpleasant right now.

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      Hanrahan

      Wheat should only be used for feeding chooks.

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        Another Ian

        Actually can be used to make a pretty nice beer.

        But, on the home brewing front, can make some of the “avoid the first two batches and be very sceptical of the third” class too

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      Geoff Sherrington

      In passing, I once took a quick look at the value of seaweed harvested with great effort, as a fertiliser for conventional agriculture. It is a dud. Hard to think of anything worse, maybe old car tyres. Look up the NPK factors for seaweed and compare to even low potency fertilisers.
      It is another example of an unscientific method being adopted because it is trendy. As a society, we waste enormous energy and $$$ on non-viable, Greenpeace endorses it, types of schemes like seawee. When I was young, promoters were likely to be hauled before the Bench for being dishonest while fleecing others. Geoff S

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        Leo Morgan

        Is it “We as a society” choosing to to do it, or our elected representatives deciding to pick losers?
        If individuals among us choose to test their theories, so be it. It’s their money to risk, and their judgement to back. If they’d been right they’d have reaped the rewards; since they were wrong they’d bear the burden. Not every attempt will succeed. Either way we benefit in knowledge or productivity.
        But when our politicians throw around our money as if they were drunken sailors in port on payday, they choose to invest in things we’d never do in our right minds.
        I don’t know about seaweed fertiliser, was that a government plan or a private attempt?

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          Leo Morgan

          I do know I’m glad that our Government didn’t support Tim Flannery on geothermal. So it was only himself he bankrupted, without taking the rest of us down with him.

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            GD

            I was under the impression that the government did invest in Flannery’s foolery. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

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              beowulf

              $107 million taxpayer dollars were squandered on hot rocks. The directors, including Flannery, gave themselves $200,000 pa fees for a couple of years until the public money ran out. Whether Flannery made a net loss is questionable.

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        Bill in Oz

        Geoff Seaweed has never been marketed as a source of NPK
        However fermented seaweed liquid is marketed as source of plant auxins
        Which assist with seed germination and
        Preventing transplant shock in seedlings and trees.
        In my experience as a farmer, that does work.

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        beowulf

        Geoff
        That was the argument made by agronomists back in 1979 when seaweed extract first appeared on the market . . . and it’s an irrelevance. It’s not about NPK at all. If you want NPK you buy it in a bag. That NPK mentality has long since bitten the dust in modern agriculture. Soil isn’t just an inert growth medium with a few basic chemicals chucked in. That’s 1960s thinking. Liebig — the father of the erroneous/incomplete NPK theory — would be proud of you and Liebig was only a chemist let’s not forget.

        We now know so much more than Liebig. Following his dictum we wouldn’t use trace elements; we wouldn’t inoculate legume seed. Pre the 1970s when legume inoculant first became available, farmers would take a handful of soil from an existing legume pasture and mix it with seed they were about to sow. They didn’t know why it worked, but they knew it did work to make the clover or whatever grow better, but that’s just an old wives’ tale, eh? We now know that a HEALTHY soil contains symbiotic, nitrogen-fixing bacteria, micorrhiza, plus tons of other fungal, bacterial and micro-faunal inhabitants, plus lots of organic matter to feed them all.

        Seaweed extract is not a fertilizer but has well studied and documented demonstrable biostimulant effects on plant growth that cannot be accounted for by the NPK theory. Because seaweed extracts are so complex scientists are yet to determine their modes of action. It effects plant metabolism, the soil biota and plant pathogens.
        Here are just some of seaweed’s observed effects:
        • promotes thicker cell walls which improve drought and frost resistance
        • reduces transplant shock
        • increases the flavour of fruits
        • promotes budding and fruiting
        • suppresses soil-borne disease and nematodes
        • promotes nitrogen fixation and rhizobial interaction
        • etc etc

        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4584108/

        It’s a funny thing Geoff, conventional agriculture has come to surreptitiously adopt and value the very things it sneered at in the organic stream of agriculture for 70 years, why — because they work. BTW I’m not some bonged-out hippie; I come from a conventional agricultural background with conventional 70s style training and 30 years of commercial ag experience.

        I’d suggest you look at the whole picture, not just some fragment of it.

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      el gordo

      Interesting to note that China has become South Africa’s lender of last resort.

      Do you think Australia should borrow from Beijing to build infrastructure?

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        joseph

        No.

        I would have written more in answer to your question but I’m feeling a bit exhausted after reading dinn, rob’s complete profile . . . .

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          el gordo

          Then we better stop trading with the fascists, so when the contracts for coal, iron ore and gas come up for review we’ll tell them to go somewhere else. We have principles.

          If Australia cannot afford to buy US planes or French submarines the Alliance is dead in the water.

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            Latus Dextro

            …the Alliance is dead in the water.

            It strikes me that it may already be thus. The corporatist globalists have devolved traditional branches of the armed services, resplendent with their history, identities, customs and traditions into faceless soy forces, or “defence” forces. Alinsky stated, ‘control the language, you control the people’. So Australia, New Zealand and Canada have little to offer other than a handful of politically correct gender fluid rainbow tinted soy boots on the ground.
            The Chinese revolutionary fascists must be laughing their way all around their training grounds. They’ll sweep over Oceania in the blink of a culturally Marxist indigenous eye and simply take what they want, how they want, when they want.

            If you’re not prepared to protect the crown jewels and resources, need one say more. The corporatist globalists won’t be safe spacing or virtue signalling their way out of that mess, anymore than the League of Nations was capable of addressing the dual German and Japanese menace of their age.

            Hard to stomach? Reviewing the cartoons of the League Nations and related times serves to illustrate that the global mess was little different. The unpleasantness and incipient chaos were equally confusing and distressing, though the causes varied.
            These days the very organisation charged with international peace is the malevolent organisation fomenting global civil war, the organisation that side stepped its duties at the onset of the global migrant crisis and insisted the EU deal with it. What took place then was a demonstration of the NWO in action. The UN had become the global government and the EU had become the global administrator.
            Fortunately that is all unravelling. The EU parliament now comprises of a >30% segment of national populists. Before 2000 that was 1%. … not that the Left MSM Party would tell you.

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              el gordo

              ‘They’ll sweep over Oceania in the blink of a culturally Marxist indigenous eye and simply take what they want …’

              That is inaccurate, Beijing doesn’t want anything more than Oceania becoming a large tourist resort. Australia is already open for business.

              Which is why we need to build a continental bullet train network.

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        GD

        Do you think Australia should borrow from Beijing to build infrastructure?

        Aren’t we already borrowing from China to keep our country solvent?

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          el gordo

          There is no doubt the building of high rise in capital cities, indirectly funded by Beijing, has kept the Australian economy afloat, because it has been accompanied by mass immigration.

          The building boom is a result of commercial entrepreneurs and not government borrowings.

          In the same way Beijing will win the tenders for a bullet train network, decentralisation, new cities serviced by water from the Ord and gas from Gorgon.

          They would do all of this for a song if they could capture a little land along the way.

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          ColA

          why bother when we can just SELL THE FARM! :-(

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    RicDre

    There are a lot of interesting articles listed this week on “Week in Review – Science Addition” on Judith Curry’s ClimateEtc web site. This one particularity caught my eye:

    Inconvenient Energy Realities by Mark P. Mills:

    https://economics21.org/inconvenient-realities-new-energy-economy

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      el gordo

      In comments Javier pours cold water on Zharkova’s grand minimum.

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        Graeme#4

        Hmmm. I found the recent Zharkova article article quite interesting. I thought her belief that a grand minimum would hit between 2020-2050 to be plausible, but I might be biased in my support for this. However, Zharkova believes that after the grand minimum, the earth would continue warming naturally up to another 2.5 degrees, and that was worrying.
        There has been considerable discussion in The Australian over the weekend about Graham Lloyd’s article which talks about Svensmark and Zharkova.

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          el gordo

          Yes I noticed that, although the cosmic ray hypothesis has merit I prefer Stephen Wilde’s meandering jet stream theory for increasing low cloud cover.

          ‘ … the earth would continue warming naturally up to another 2.5 degrees …’

          I don’t see that. Our Modern Climate Optimum is a repeat of Eemian’s end, where there was a warm spike before plunging into the glacial abyss.

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            Graeme#4

            How much of a warm spike was there at the end of the Eemian glacial?
            Another comment by Zharkova was that she expected the NH summer temp to increase and their winter temps to decrease, but the Opposite for the SH.
            Also did you see the link to a video talking to Zharkova on this subject? It’s an hour long, only watched a few minutes.

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              el gordo

              Okay, good point about the spike, it might be much further into the future which would support Zharkova’s hypothesis.

              At the end of the Eemian I suspect the process was straight forward, over a couple of centuries it becomes cool and wet, then cold and dry, eventually the aridity pulse sets in. Its a dune messiah environment.

              ‘The period closed as temperatures steadily fell to conditions cooler and drier than the present, with a 468-year-long aridity pulse in central Europe at about 116,000 BC and by 112,000 BC, a glacial period had returned.’ wiki

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              el gordo

              This is interesting, looking at Europe.

              ‘After about 115,000 years ago, there were several thousand years of summers cooler and moister than today, but with milder winters (possibly the mildest of any stage of the Eemian), with relatively frost-senstitive species such as Ilex (holly) and Hedera (ivy) being more widespread than present across northern Europe.

              ‘Conifers also became abundant during this phase. This view of climate conditions during this phase is corroborated by plankton indicators of North Atlantic surface temperatures (Kukla et al. 1997). This may also have been a time of ice buildup in far northern latitudes, as indicated by the ocean oxygen isotope record (Kukla et al. 1997).’

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              el gordo

              There was a geomagnetic reversal between 119.97 and 114.47 kyr BP, that is 5,500 years duration.

              Following the Blake Event there were thousands of years with cool wet summers and mild winters.

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              el gordo

              Correlation doesn’t prove causation, but the dates fit perfectly.

              ‘ … the relative contribution of subpolar gyre waters to the Atlantic inflow into the Nordic Seas is reduced, giving way to more warm and saline subtropical waters from the North Atlantic Current.

              ‘We thus find an episode of relatively high heat and salt transport into the Nordic Seas during the last glacial inception between 119,000 and 115,000 years before present. This stabilizes deep ocean convection in the region and warms Scandinavia during a phase of low insolation.

              ‘These findings are in good agreement with proxy data from the Nordic Seas and North Atlantic. At the end of the warm interval, sea surface temperature drops by about 3°C, marking the onset of large‐scale glacier growth over Scandinavia.’

              Born et al 2010

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            theRealUniverse

            I agree, Im not a fan of cosmic ray hypothesis being very overpowering. Its is more likely to be just one of many parts to the system.

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              el gordo

              The cosmic ray hypothesis has merit, but probably only over longer time spans. We should be able to see a signal during the Maunder Minimum, I’ll keep an eye open.

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          OriginalSteve

          It seems to jink well with the expected LIA. What I fond interesting is that the Chinese are developing zero emission plasma power generators, which could be coincidental, but would also be invaluable in a prolonged cold period on earth.

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            el gordo

            Human ingenuity is irrepressible.

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            theRealUniverse

            Of course its the technology that is the important part, NOT the so called zero emission, which in the construction phase is impossible. Emissions dont matter anyway.

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        tom0mason

        And on another forum Zharkova defends her position against the cAGW hard hitters …
        https://pubpeer.com/publications/3418816F1BA55AFB7A2E6A44847C24

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          Graeme#4

          Wow, they really piled in on top of Zharkova, didn’t they? Even Willis was involved. I note that the other commenters also believe that Salby and Svensmark are wrong, and I’m presume anybody that disagrees with AGW is also wrong.

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        theRealUniverse

        He should provide evidence against the grand minimum then, where is it?

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      RickWill

      That article makes the same mistake as many in perpetuating the myth of “renewablele” energy. Such a thing may exist but is is not supplied by the current version of solar panels and wind generators. This from the link:

      5. Renewable energy would have to expand 90-fold to replace global hydrocarbons in two decades. It took a half-century for global petroleum production to expand “only” 10-fold.

      There needs to be much more care in using the term “renewable” when referring to anything that produces electric power.

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        Graeme#4

        That is one error Rick, but the rest of the statements seem correct and IMHO seem to be very powerful. I need to read the underlying paper first though.

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        theRealUniverse

        Renewable energy would have to expand 90-fold to replace global hydrocarbons in two decades.
        Another impossibility. Would require an ‘infinite improbability drive’.

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    Richard Ilfeld

    More annual report follies.
    I had never heard of Barrow Island, or the Gorgon project (why does it sound like it should be part of a Robert Ludlum thriller)
    until I was going through this year’s Chevron Annual report, where it is the featured waste of shareholder resources.

    Going through Oil company reports has become tedious because of all the vomit-worthy prose that has to be thown in to not remotely satisfy all the protest groups that hate oil and gas companies for a variety of reasons.

    I know that ‘diversity of gender, ethnicity, age, skills and experience fostering different perspectives makes oversight and decision making more effective’.

    In any case, the inside cover spread is a really neat photo of a couple of LNG carriers docked at an offshore facility at Barrow, which I understand is about 50 K off the west coast and one of the worlds great, if unknown, and unvisited wildlife reserves. According to Cheron, the Gorgon Carbon Dioxide Injection project is the world’s largest commercial scale carbon dioxide facility, designed to reduce geenhouse gas emissions from the Gorgon Field project by aproximately 40 percent. Geez….40% of what & why.

    Lets look at the projections
    The natural gas production capacity for the two projects on the island is 4.2 billion cubic feet/day.
    Grogon & Wheatstone have 24.5 million metric tons of liquification capacity per year.
    Proven reserves can be estimated at 11,873 billion in Chevron’s Australia holdings.

    Australia has a lot of energy doesn’t it. You folks ought to be as rich as Texans.

    Net cash flow for Chevron from Australian operations is very positive – the annual report is silent on what the cash flow to Australia is.

    It was fairly easy to find hit pieces on Chevron. This seemed, to my uninformed American eyes, one of the more balanced.
    https://www.news.com.au/national/the-island-where-nature-and-big-industry-coexist-but-youre-not-allowed-to-see-it/news-story/25429bd2a5dfbbd9918de86fb43a7d8b

    One would think the Climate change folks would have made common cause the with the save the animals folks.
    One would think this would have little chance as a new project today —
    It might be doable entirely on offshore platforms but not be cost justified in that instance.

    As I mentioned before, I had never heard of this project. I live on the US gulf coast.
    A project we don’t know about is a good project.
    It hasn’t had a spill, or killed people, or animals.

    If you want to see the photo it may be available at http://www.chevron.com/annualreport2018

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      Sambar

      And of course Richard, if you lived in Victoria (Australia) you would be using gas that has been exported from places like Barrow Island and sold to refineries overseas and them “bought back” at world parity pricing just to heat your home or cook. It helps keep us poor don’t ya know. Victoria, where I live has proven reserves of both gas and oil but these cannot be developed because………

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        Annie

        Yet there are endless ads on Sky News for those gas generators (Generac). We don’t have gas here; it would need to be bottled.
        Victoria, the backward state.

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          Annie

          Soon to be Victoria, the Stone Age State.

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            OriginalSteve

            All I can think of is that scene with the monkies bashing the ground & leaping around, around the black monolith on “2001 A Space Odyessy”

            Presumably we are the monkies in the dirt? The State could be the black monolith…

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          yarpos

          To be fair Annie thats more of a statement about our little backwater here in the North East than Victoria.

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            Annie

            I thought Desperate Dan had banned gas extraction in Vic? I do realise other areas than our little backwater have mains gas…for the time being…at a price?

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      el gordo

      ‘Gorgon and Wheatstone LNG projects play a key role in meeting the Asia-Pacific region’s demand for affordable, reliable and ever-cleaner energy.’.

      Affordable gas for the masses, too bad about the pensioners back home.

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        Bill in Oz

        Greenist vegans demand they be shut down EG
        To save the planet !
        BAHHH !

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          el gordo

          I had a look at their platform and you are correct, they have natural gas down as a ‘destructive and polluting fossil fuel’.

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        Graeme#4

        The other states could tap into this cheap gas EG, but the co,panties that want to build gas import ports down on Victoria’s southern coast, well away from any gas source, claim that it’s too expensive to build pipelines. Naturally they never show their costings to support this claim.
        As a comparison, WA built a 1400 km gas pipeline in one year for just $400m.
        Anyway, why the heck don’t you just frack your own gas?

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          yarpos

          There is a gas source just off the coast that has been providing VIC with natural gas for decades. Building a port lets them tap into existing gas and rail infrastructure and a nearby market of 4-5million people. Doesnt seem an unreasonable project really.

          Could also support gas distribution if some future govt is more sane and allows fracking.

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          el gordo

          ‘Anyway, why the heck don’t you just frack your own gas?’

          In NSW they have shut the gate on multinationals salivating over the abundance of gas just waiting to be extracted. Without going into detail, it would be politically prudent and economically justifiable to pipe natural gas in from the Kimberley Coast.

          https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/ian-macfarlane-outlines-ambitious-plan-for-national-gas-network-20140825-1089h9.html

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            Graeme#4

            When you look at the gas pipeline map shown, you realise that the distance from Dampier to Alice Springs is similar to the distance of the recently- installed 1400 km pipeline from Dampier to Esperance.

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        Hanrahan

        How do you propose making Barrow Is gas available cheaply in Melb? It would need a long pipeline which the CFMMEU would ensure was unaffordable or by coastal shipping which our maritime unions have already made prohibitively expensive. Buying out of Singapore sounds reasonable to me.

        Vic has the gas, make them get moving and extract it, Santos doesn’t owe them, nor does the rest of the country.

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          Graeme#4

          Long gas pipelines are easy to install across the outback, and you wouldn’t have to go that far to link either the NW shelf or NT gas to the existing pipeline grid in the eastern states. One advantage with gas pipelines is that you can power pumping stations along the way using the piped gas.
          As I have mentioned, you already have a cost and time indicator based on the NW shelf to Kalgoorlie pipeline.

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            Graeme#4

            I meant to add that once a state has adequate supplies of gas, large industries can be supported either using gas or smaller localised gas electricity generating plants. The SW of WA, including Perth, has a number of industries, including an aluminium smelter, two desal plants and large brick-making plants, all supported by gas or electricity at reasonable prices. And it’s easy to add smaller gas-peaking electricity generators along the north-west pipeline that runs down through Perth.
            I more in favour of using gas as a future energy source, rather than nuclear or HELE coal.

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            yarpos

            Not as sure as you that the Kalgoorlie pipeline is a relevant example. Bit of a different beast supplying millions twice as far away. Sure it can be done , as its done elswhere, but when you have existing maritime options and non freezing weather it doesnt seem out of the odds to use them.

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              Graeme#4

              Point taken yarpos, but I think that you would agree that it’s reasonably easy to drive a pipeline across Austrslia’s interior, regardless of its size.

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      Graeme#4

      Barrow Island is one of the major gas export sites in Australia Richard, and hopefully soon will be expanded to process even more gas from new offshore gas wells 900 kms away, via an undersea pipeline. Western Australia (WA) has setup a good policy of reserving 15% of the gas for domestic use at reasonable prices, so we are attempting to partially copy the U.S. by generating 40% of WA’s energy using gas.
      Unfortunately, WA’s local environmental authority chief is trying to charge these sites for the “carbon” they produce. So far the WA state government has knocked this on the head, but the stupid authority won’t give up. Hence all these environmental statements by Chevron.

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      James Murphy

      Gorgon was almost the darling of slightly less rabid environmental groups for its carbon capture and storage (CCS) programme that was supposed to be the biggest in the world at the time. Indeed, CCS was a government requirement.

      I worked briefly on Barrow Island when they were drilling a few wells to try to identify the best formation to pump C02 into. It’s an interesting island actually, and aside from the “inhabited” bit, there is, or was quite an effort to stop the place being damaged by too many people doing silly things.

      No sane people think CCS is viable, either economically, or environmentally, but it seems even that is not enough to sooth the savage beast that is The Greens.

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    Travis T. Jones

    Doomsday Global Warming ‘experts’ say that CO2 makes heat sink.

    It doesn’t.

    My favourite physicist, Dr Julius Sumner Miller shows why:

    Lesson 23 – Heat Energy Transfer by Convection – Demonstrations in Physics

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=CWVejMeiP6E

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      beowulf

      Ah Julius S-M. Back in the days when Your ABC taught actual science. I was at high school in the early 70s when JSM was at the peak of his TV fame out here. I wonder how many kids his captivating enthusiasm set on the path to a science career.

      My favourite lesson was about the physics of Cadbury chocolate which apparently “embraces substantial nourishment and enjoyment” in it’s “glas-and-a-haf” of full cream dairy milk.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDdQfpMjS-U

      The last of his Ozzie Cadbury ads aired in May 1988, fully 13 months after his death.

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    Latus Dextro

    Over at NASA, the Orbiting Carbon Observatory 3 is sharpening its teeth, calibrating its instruments, producing its first “images” of CO2 from space in its quest to extend NASA’s study of “carbon.”
    Browsing the NASA pages and images bursting with politicised scientivism, bias and catastrophism is too much for a recuperative Sunday morning. From a running headline, “breathing planet off balance” the off balance script that states here under the main title, “As Earth Warms, NASA Targets ‘Other Half’ of Carbon, Climate Equation:”

    “Atmospheric carbon dioxide levels recently surpassed a concentration of 400 parts per million (ppm) — higher than at any time in at least 400,000 years…”

    elsewhere tells a different story stating here under the headline, “Carbon Dioxide Fertilization Greening Earth, Study Finds”:

    “The gas, which traps heat in Earth’s atmosphere, has been increasing since the industrial age due to the burning of oil, gas, coal and wood for energy and is continuing to reach concentrations not seen in at least 500,000 years. “

    Perhaps they should just have written 450,000 years ± 50,000 years?

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      AndyG55

      “higher than at any time in at least 400,000 years…” “

      Which has probably SAVED THE WORLD from plant starvation.

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      AndyG55

      The cycle is very clear, and I like to think us humans have had at least some minor effect on the highly beneficial rise in atmospheric CO2.

      Natural warming speeds up the Carbon Cycle plus brings in regions that were locked away because of the cold during most of the last half million years

      We see the gradual increase of CO2 through that Holocene optimum period then a further acceleration with the advent of the industrial revolution and broad-acre farming etc.

      This, with some SMALL input from us humans, (farming, irrigation, power generation) causes a highly beneficial increase in plant growth material.

      Thus we get a greener more abundant biosphere, which leads to even further increase in atmospheric CO2.

      Humans are EXCEEDINGLY LUCKY to have had the Holocene interglacial through which to develop.

      Some more warming would also be highly beneficial, opening up still frozen regions to biosphere expansion.

      Dropping back into a cooler period would cause all sorts of problems, such as famine, drought, throughout the world.

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        Latus Dextro

        I noticed on the NASA site that they claimed enrichment with CO2 led to plant habituation. The modelled catastrophism never ends.

        Carbon Dioxide Fertilization Greening Earth, Study Finds
        “The beneficial impacts of carbon dioxide on plants may also be limited, said co-author Dr. Philippe Ciais, associate director of the Laboratory of Climate and Environmental Sciences, Gif-suv-Yvette, France. “Studies have shown that plants acclimatize, or adjust, to rising carbon dioxide concentration and the fertilization effect diminishes over time.”

        “While the detection of greening is based on data, the attribution to various drivers is based on models,” said co-author Josep Canadell of the Oceans and Atmosphere Division in the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organisation in Canberra, Australia. Canadell added that while the models represent the best possible simulation of Earth system components, they are continually being improved.”

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      el gordo

      The pea does well under 169% extra CO2.

      http://www.co2science.org/articles/V22/jul/a4.php

      Its a miracle that humanity survived the LIA in reasonably good working order.

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        TdeF

        No one lived in Europe. They lived where there was not an ice age. Living on a glacier 1km thick is not living and the glaciers never went below 40 latitude in either hemisphere. So it was Africa, India, China, the Middle East and Central America, just as now and for the last 100,000 years. While 60% of humanity now live North of the Tropic of Cancer, much of that land was uninhabitable. When people talk about Climate Change, even Global Warming, how are they planning to stop the next ice age? Or should the UN control the world’s climates? If so I would like Melbourne to be about 2C warmer please.

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          AndyG55

          Slight mix-up there TdeF

          El G referred to the LIA, not the last major Ice Age.

          People DIED in the UK and Europe during the LIA, lots of them.

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          el gordo

          Its amazing how many villages and hamlets in Europe were deserted because of the cold wet conditions during the early part of the LIA.

          Even before the outbreak of plague epidemics (which are reckoned to have killed a third of the population) the wet summers left people malnourished or starving.

          It was cyclic, a group of bad years would be replaced by warm dry summers and abundant harvests. Disaster averted until the next round.

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      TdeF

      Yes, that’s the core argument

      “The gas.. has been increasing .. due to the burning of oil, gas, coal and wood”

      Would they care to prove this statement? Or do we just have to believe it because they are NASA?

      You can easily prove it’s not true, make believe and even deliberate manipulation. Public servant scientists who tell lies for profit, advancement, personal benefit, careers should be prosecuted, like anyone in private industry.

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      Graeme#4

      400k years is the latest year reference of the alarmists that haunt The Australian. Used to be 800k years. In any case, it’s been pointed out to them that these are just cherry-picked years on the long slope down from a much higher CO2 level down to the present day levels. But it doesn’t stop them constantly mentioning the 400k year.

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    What That Giant Asteroid of Gold Would Really Do to the Economy

    “Harvesting Psyche would not cause an economic collapse.

    If that much gold could cheaply be brought to market it would be a boon, not a bust.

    It’s impossible to predict what a world of cheap gold would look like, but the story of aluminum gives us a hint.”

    https://fee.org/articles/what-that-giant-asteroid-of-gold-would-really-do-to-the-economy/

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      theRealUniverse

      Depends on abundance. The Incas used gold like we most other civilizations used iron or bronze. It was so plentiful. Wasnt even a rare metal to them. Untill the Spanish arrived…

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    pat

    behind paywall -

    Wagga businesses say electricity bills double in price in the space of five years
    Daily Advertiser – 12 Jul 2019
    MOUNTING electricity prices are taking a toll on local business owners, who say their bills have doubled in the space of just five years.

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    pat

    AUDIO: 17min22sec: 12 Jul: ABC Big Ideas: Glaciers disappear as the globe heats up
    As negotiators sat down to hammer out a deal at the Paris Climate Talks, they watched live images of melting glaciers.
    Those images came from Tim Jarvis and his team who were on the top of mountain peaks at the equator.
    These mountains have glaciers which will disappear within twenty-five years unless we slow down climate change.
    25 Zero: The Bettison and James Oration recorded 15 July 2018 Adelaide Festival of Ideas
    First broadcast 14 August 2018
    Speaker
    Tim Jarvis – environmental scientist and explorer
    https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/bigideas/glaciers-disappear-as-the-globe-heats-up/11278096

    Wikipedia: Tim Jarvis: On 20 November 2014, Jarvis was announced as WWF-Australia Global Ambassador…
    Tim Jarvis is widely considered one of the world’s leading speakers, and currently also works as a Senior Associate – Sustainability to global engineering solutions firm Arup, and has also advised the World Bank and the Asia Development Bank on multilateral aid projects…

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      pat

      Jarvis speaks of the Ecuadorean glaciers. found the following, which might tell a story or not.

      the Mountainwatch piece below doesn’t state when Lucas Wilkinson was ski-ing in Ecuador, but the first caption provided the info needed. Winter is Ecuador is considered to be June to September, which is important when checking all the pics.

      first, dating the trip to November:

      21 Nov 2018: AlpenGlowExpeditions: Skiing The Ring of Fire with ***Emily Harrington
      By Maggie Eshbaugh
      PIC: Cotopaxi’s summit with the steaming caldera below
      We caught up with Emily Harrington for a quick chat in Quito right before she headed into the mountains for a Ring of Fire Ski Expedition. Both she and Adrian are in Ecuador this season to complete two different objectives. Adrain will be guiding a Cotopaxi Rapid Ascent team while Emily will be skiing and climbing Cotopaxi with ***Michelle Parker and crew. We’re wishing the team good climbing conditions this season…
      Emily: The general idea of the RoF expedition is to climb and ski the volcanos located in the Ecuadorian Andes, most notably Cayambe & Cotopaxi…
      https://alpenglowexpeditions.com/blog/skiing-the-ring-of-fire-with-emily-harrington/

      Youtube: 1min: 28 Nov 2018: Mountainwatch: Avenue Of Volcanoes – Skiing Anitsana Volcano – Ecuador
      Jindabyne film-maker Lucas Wilkinson climbing and skiing Anitsana, a volcano in Ecuador at 5704 m (18.700ft)
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQeAk5pwUks

      PICS: 29 Nov 2018: Mountainwatch: Avenida De Volcanes – Summiting and skiing Ecuador’s Avenue of Volcanoes
      Words and photos by Lucas Wilkinson
      PIC: Cotopaxi poking through the clouds on a frosty morning at Anitsana base camp. Unfortunately, conditions didn’t look promising for a ski descent of Cotopaxi, so we didn’t make an attempt. A week later ***Michelle Parker and ***Emily Harrington made a successful summit and ski descent off the back of the same snow we experienced on Chimborazo…

      During a particularly hot February night in my native Jindabyne I had long session of Googling and click-through links and stumbled across some info on skiing in Ecuador. I was intrigued. Skiing in the tropics, how is that possible? The first thing that struck me was the sheer height of these mountains. They were all 5000m+ and capped by enormous glaciers. “That’s cool” I thought. That’s the reason they can hold snow at that latitude. Also, they were all volcanoes, which is cooler still…

      PIC: View from the summit of Anitsana. Cotopaxi in the background is active, you can tell by the plume emanating from the summit…

      The issue of climate change is contentious, no matter who you are. My personal belief is that the facts are there, it’s happening, and we as humans are helping…
      With any luck, the effects of climate change aren’t as drastic as they seem to be. So, we’ll be able to ski in Ecuador into the foreseeable future…
      http://www.mountainwatch.com/Snow-news/avenida-de-volcanes-summiting-and-skiing-ecuadors-avenue-of-volcanoes/

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        same ABC Big Ideas program began with:

        AUDIO: 36min45sec: 12 Jul: ABC Big Ideas: Renewable fuels for affordable and reliable energy
        Who would have thought that electricity bills would become a national talking-point?
        Energy costs keep politicians awake at night but they’ve also cast a shadow over the use of renewables.
        If we ditch fossil fuels, will electricity be even more expensive?
        That’s one of the questions for three energy specialists who weigh up the pros and cons of solar, hydro, biomass and hydrogen.
        Positive charge: recorded 11 June University of Adelaide.
        Speakers
        Professor Gus Nathan – Director Centre for Energy Technology University of Adelaide
        David Vowles – Senior electrical engineer Power Systems Dynamics Group University of Adelaide
        Professor Rachel Burton – Head Department of Plant Science University of Adelaide
        https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/bigideas/renewable-fuels-for-affordable-and-reliable-energy/11277992

        I heard a Paul Barclay promo for the above where he began with: “Who would have thought that electricity bills would become a national talking-point?”

        thought the program might be covering all the options. from the bits I’ve listened to…nah. just the usual ABC RE stuff. first speaker, David Vowles: REs becoming the new base generation. they are the cheapest ETC…

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          David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

          All from Adelaide. Says it all really.
          D

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            Bill in Oz

            But they do not represent all of South Australia
            Just the extreme left Greenist fringe loonies !
            Who have control of the ABC here.

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          David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

          And they didn’t invite Ian Plimer. But nor surprise in that either.
          Cheers
          D

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            el gordo

            Bit of news, as you know Alex Waislitz’s and Antony Catalano acquired Australian Community Media group and the first thing they did was liberate the stable from behind a paywall.

            They are using generic ads to finance the basic running of the enterprise, with future focus primarily on real estate in the rural areas. They will make a fortune.

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    Latus Dextro

    As some who excludes the Goolag, YouLube and Instagratify from one’s life as completely as possible, my BRAVE browser advises that JoNova has 14 cross-site trackers blocked and 31 connections upgraded to HTTPS.
    Hmmm.

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      Bill in Oz

      What does this mean ?
      Please explain !

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        Peter C

        Yes,

        I would like to understand it also.

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        tom0mason

        It means this site has some links to visual (e.g. Gold Nerds and Australian Speaking Agency) and non-visual links to other sites that may (or may not) be using your profile (that they’ve made about you and your PC, e.g. google’s many links via google-analyitic and googltagservices, twitter, facebook, amung.us and their affiliates). This metadata about you, your hardware, your preferences are all held in databases (where you and your devices are assigned a unique ID(s)) and cross-referenced in order to sell to advertisers, or to use themselves to advertise products to you (via your unique ID(s)).

        When on-line with a PC, laptop, tablet, or mobile phone YOU are being continually watched, continually being assessed as to what you want, the types of content you look at, the products you buy, etc. This may be from your ISP all the way through to EVERY site you visit! This regardless of a site being HTTP or HTTPS.
        Google is the main player here. If you are on a Chromebook then Google knows everything about you as this hardware is designed to make it easy to grab all the information they wish about the user. Android is Googles other major platform and is just as talkative to its maker. 8-(

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      Latus Dextro

      Sure.
      Currently I show 14 cross-site trackers being blocked and 55 connections being upgraded to https in my BRAVE browser.
      Consider BRAVE browser for high protection and security.

      Cross site tracking explained here

      To the best of my knowledge: https upgrades means, sites and hyperlinks, that are linked to http:// and if a equivalent https:// site is available…. brave browser, automatically changes those links to https:// equivalents, to prevent tracking etc., Most sites have both http and https options. It forced site to load in https, which means you will have encrypted (and secure) connection.

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        theRealUniverse

        Or use a proxy, VPN. Or both. I can access this site from Turkey..

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        Peter C

        thanks

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        Bill in Oz

        I use Dissenter as my brouser.
        And Duck Duck Go for searches.
        They preserve my online anonymity

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        tom0mason

        “It forced site to load in https, which means you will have encrypted (and secure) connection.”

        True!
        However this will NOT STOP Google, twitter, etc. from scrapping all the information they can about you if the site has built-in links to these ‘services’, then they will collect info just as normal. All HTTPS has done is ensure that this data is more secure and more difficult for outsiders to hack into via your link.

        When online you are always exposed — you have no online anonymity.
        If you always use VPNed TOR and the ONION network for all your connections then you still have a profile, its just less informative.

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    mem

    I just watched the fascinating Julius Sumner Miller video posted by Travis above and was wondering if someone here could explain in simple steps why this disproves the Global Warming hypothesis. I would like to use the video plus an explanation to convince a few people about the hokumpokum science that underpins global warming. Also, given the video demonstration of the properties of CO2, what does this mean for how, where and when CO2 concentrations are measured in the atmosphere? (note I found this about measurement but given source am not sure of its accuracy) https://theconversation.com/how-is-atmospheric-co2-measured-in-the-southern-hemisphere-14219

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      RickWill

      You will never convince someone with faith by facts. Earth could become a snowball and those of the faith, who manage to survive, would remain convinced it was more evidence of climate change and the disastrous impact of burning fossil fuels.

      Runaway global warming is a pysical impossibility providing the oceans exist on Earth. Water and its phases provide hard limits that limit the temperature range. In the present age, with abundant sea ice, the limits are very well defined. Ocean water will never rise much above 30C in the tropics due to the rapid increase in water vapour above 25C:
      https://1drv.ms/b/s!Aq1iAj8Yo7jNgzHH3_zoyapHehla
      Leading to increased cloud formation in higher latitudes reflecting more sunlight. And the surface water is never cooler than -2C due to sea ice formation at higher latitudes. Unsurprisingly the area average sea surface temperature of 16C is in the middle of these two extremes.

      The present connectedness of oceans distributes the heat reasonably well around the globe. The Berring Strait is the most sensitive to climate disturbances with its closure reducing heat flow from the North Pacific to the North Atlantic so changes there can have regional climate influence that might impact Northern Europe through cooling the region.

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        Latus Dextro

        Very nice explanation Rick.
        Water is and always was THE key green house gas and remains the elephant in the room. We reside on a water world.
        There are also physical limitations imposed by the available kinetic energy in the system.
        Top-of-the-atmosphere solar irradiance and total surface atmospheric pressure appear the best determinants of Global Mean Annual near-surface Temperature (GMAT) of a planetary body

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          Latus Dextro

          GMATs of rocky planets can accurately be predicted over a broad range of atmospheric conditions and radiative regimes only using two forcing variables: top-of-the-atmosphere solar irradiance and total surface atmospheric pressure.

          Emergent Model for Predicting the Average Surface Temperature of Rocky Planets with Diverse Atmospheres
          Advances in Space Research, Aug. 18 2015, doi: 10.1016/j.asr.2015.08.006

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      Travis T. Jones

      Can it be explained in an easy, short byte?

      Some facts need to be established about something most of us deliberately forgot the moment we walked out of school into real life.

      It needs to have the UN doomsday science claim understood:

      “As humans emit greenhouse gases like CO2, the air warms and holds more water vapor, which then traps more heat and accelerates warming.”

      - convection (noun): “The movement caused within a fluid by the tendency of hotter and therefore less dense material to rise, and colder, denser material to sink under the influence of gravity, which consequently results in transfer of heat.”

      (The Molecular weight and therefore the density (at the same temperature and pressure) of CO2 is only marginally higher than the average density of air.)

      The incorrect impression is that CO2 is rising when it is produced by combustion of any hydrocarbon fuel (of bio or fossil origin).

      The short answer is that CO2 does not rise in air, if it is at the same temperature and pressure, natural or ‘man-made’.

      A shorter answer would be that UN doomsday global warming has nothing to do with the science that JSM demonstrates, but is a UN plan at wealth distribution:

      Neue Zürcher Zeitung, 14 November 2010

      http://www.nzz.ch/aktuell/startseite/klimapolitik-verteilt-das-weltvermoegen-neu-1.8373227

      Translation:

      Ottmar Edenhofer, a German economist and co-chair of the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) Working Group III:

      “But one must say clearly that we redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy.

      One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy.

      This has almost nothing to do with environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole.”

      – Using google translate, from link, this paragraph:

      Zunächst mal haben wir Industrieländer die Atmosphäre der Weltgemeinschaft quasi enteignet. Aber man muss klar sagen: Wir verteilen durch die Klimapolitik de facto das Weltvermögen um. Dass die Besitzer von Kohle und Öl davon nicht begeistert sind, liegt auf der Hand. Man muss sich von der Illusion freimachen, dass internationale Klimapolitik Umweltpolitik ist. Das hat mit Umweltpolitik, mit Problemen wie Waldsterben oder Ozonloch, fast nichts mehr zu tun.
      ~ ~ ~
      Also, the 2°C target, consequently the 1.5 °C target is an un-scientific, nonsense made-up target:

      “(A) group of German scientists, yielding to political pressure, invented an easily digestible message in the mid-1990s: the two-degree target … the scientists warned, the temperature on Earth could not be more than two degrees Celsius higher than it was before the beginning of industrialization.

      Most countries have now recognized the two-degree target. If the two-degree limit were exceeded, German Environment Minister Norbert Röttgen announced ahead of the failed Copenhagen summit, “life on our planet, as we know it today, would no longer be possible.”

      But this is scientific nonsense.

      “Two degrees is not a magical limit — it’s clearly a political goal,” says Hans Joachim Schellnhuber, director of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (PIK).

      “The world will not come to an end right away in the event of stronger warming, nor are we definitely saved if warming is not as significant. The reality, of course, is much more complicated.”

      Schellnhuber ought to know. He is the father of the two-degree target. ”

      https://www.spiegel.de/international/world/climate-catastrophe-a-superstorm-for-global-warming-research-a-686697-8.html

      Figueres: First time the world economy is transformed intentionally

      http://www.unric.org/en/latest-un-buzz/29623-figueres-first-time-the-world-economy-is-transformed-intentionally

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        Latus Dextro

        The only thing ever “settled” was the politics. It is now unravelling by the day.

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      Peter C

      The Julius Summner Miller video I watched was about Convection. Nice demonstrations of convection currents in water and air.

      JSM did not mention AGW so I do not know if Convection disproves the Global Warming hypothesis. However convection does serve to cool the surface. In every case convection currents carry “heat energy” away from the heat source.

      The exact role of CO2 in all this is not yet properly understood (at least not understood by me).

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        Howie from Indiana

        There are 400 molecules of CO2 per one million molecules of air. Even if CO2 were as powerful a warming agent as they claim the effect would be small- certainly not nearly as much as 2 degrees. In reality there is no such thing as a greenhouse gas. Earth’s atmosphere does not behave like a greenhouse. All a greenhouse does is restrict convective mixing of gases. This situation does not occur in the open atmosphere.
        Water is what keeps this planet within bounds necessary for life and carbon dioxide has little to with temperature regulation. CO2 is a principal component of the carbon cycle and is just as necessary for life as oxygen. All life on this planet is based on carbon and to talk about “carbon free” anything is pure nonsense.

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          theRealUniverse

          True, water is responsible for the HEAT transfer in the atmosphere, it isnt a ‘greenhouse’ gas either as some scientists claim. That is a misnomer.

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      theRealUniverse

      Convincing anyone who has virtually no science or little or highschool science about CO2 physics and heat transfer is a waste of time. Same with trying to convince journos (except Alan Jones, and a few other that have woken up).
      best is to show them the whole thing is a scam and the temp data has been faked.

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    RickWill

    My off-grid battery went flat yesterday. I have reverted to on-grid power and will leave is that way today as the battery is only about 50% recharged after another day devoid of any sunshine. And overcast with drizzle again today.

    It has been overcast for most of the last week here in Melbourne with regular rain; some intense.

    Over the last week my on-grid system averaged 2.4kWh/day. That amounts to less than 1 hour of full sunshine equivalent every day for a week. That is the lowest I have recorded for a weekly period.

    The BoM insolation data gives an average of 1.6kWh/sq.m/day over the last week near my location so a little higher than I have recorded. My panels have some shading.
    http://www.bom.gov.au/jsp/ncc/cdio/weatherData/av?p_nccObsCode=193&p_display_type=dailyDataFile&p_startYear=&p_c=&p_stn_num=086299

    Actually operating an off-grid system gives insights that those sitting in offices heated and cooled by fossil fuels just do not comprehend.

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      Bill in Oz

      Rick my own experience was from living in a remote area of Victoria
      With no mains power connected for 2 years
      Relying on panels and a petrol ‘gennie’ as backup.
      There were about 15 households in this situation.
      We all knew from direct experience the limitations of solar panels.
      When the opportunity came to get mains connected we did it.
      No regrets at all !

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        Another Ian

        Same around here when we had the opportunity to trade 32 volts generator/batteries for a swer line.

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    RicDre

    More than 43,000 without power in Manhattan after ‘major disturbance’

    https://www.foxnews.com/us/nyc-power-outage-manhattan

    They ran the first of two Formula-E races in New York today but have another race to run tomorrow so they have to charge all 22 cars overnight for the second race; I guess the New York Grid just couldn’t take the additional load.

    (/sarc)

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      RickWill

      They will just hire a generator to charge the cars. Nothing is barred when the faithful are showing off their virtues.

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      yarpos

      a little legacy from Audrey perhaps?

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      theRealUniverse

      Theyll probably blame Iran. /sarc

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      Analitik

      I’m waiting for the greentards to say how this demonstrates the vulnerability of centralised power generation and distribution and how microgrids and distributed generation (ed solar panels) would have prevented the blackout. Then we could send Audrey Zibelman back to her home turf to try and implement this since it was on the back of this supposed expertise that she was appointed to head the AEMO

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    pat

    theirABC’s Sunday morning fare!

    AUDIO: 54min08sec: 14 Jul: ABC God Forbid: Facing Doomsday
    Presenter: James Carleton
    One thing is certain — the world as we know it will one day end. But exactly when and how is a lot more ambiguous. Join James and our panel of doomsday experts as they prepare to face the end.
    In this episode:
    For at least 300 years, we’ve thought that as a human species, we’re progressing — we’re smarter, safer, more civilised and live longer.
    But Philosopher Bernard Henri-Levy says we can’t think that way anymore. Instead, he says we’re living in a nihilist moment. Why has life become meaningless?

    You’ve probably heard of sci-fi — but how about cli-fi? Climate science fiction speculates what would happen in the event of catastrophic climate change. The literary sub-genre is growing in popularity. Can cli-fi give us hope when our planet is dying? Could it change how we relate to the environment?…
    Supporting Information
    Listen to Bernard-Henri Levy’s full interview with ABC’s Geraldine Doogue on Saturday Extra.
    Hear Australian authors Alice Robinson and James Bradley talk about Cli-fi on Late Night Live.
    Check out Science Friction’s series on the apocalypse on RN.
    Read Sarah Bachelard’s piece “The work of love in the face of doom: Christianity and the climate crisis” on ABC’s Religion and Ethics website.
    Guests:
    Rev Dr Sarah Bachelard, Anglican priest and director of the Benedictus Contemplative Church in Canberra. Research fellow at the Australian Catholic University. Author of several books including Experiencing God in a Time of Crisis.
    Dr Greg Clarke, Former CEO of the Bible Society, founding director of the Centre for Public Christianity. His PhD is titled Eschatology, Apocalypse and Modern Fiction: The future of Patrick White.
    https://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/godforbid/facing-doomsday/11299428

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      pat

      overnight on theirABC, they broadcast CAGW via BBC:

      AUDIO: 52min59sec: 13 Jul: BBC Heart & Soul: Heart and Soul Gathering
      Religion and climate change in Nairobi
      For the BBC World Service, Nairobi based journalist and broadcaster Ciru Muriuki brings together young people of different faiths, together with a live audience, at the National Museum in Nairobi, Kenya, to hear what people want from their religious leaders and hear how faith motivates their activism.
      We’ll hear from young people in Kenya who are putting themselves on the front lines of the battle to save the planet.
      Some are helping farmers and communities find sustainable ways to earn income; others are picking plastic out of the sea and marching to get attention from those in power. Some say their faith compels them to protect wildlife and care for all living beings; others say energies would be better put into forcing high polluting countries to change their ways while in Kenya the focus should be on development, education and relieving poverty.
      In a continent that is experiencing the effects of climate change disproportionately compared to many parts of the world, how should religious leaders of every faith be mobilizing their communities? Producer: Louise Clarke-Rowbotham
      Photo: Hundreds of people with placards take part in demonstration in Nairobi calling for climate change justice for Africa.
      https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3csz4ln

      the episode played on ABC last nite included:

      AUDIO: 5min09sec: 5 Jul: Naked Scientists (BBC): Planting forests for climate change
      Interview with Robin Chazdon, University of Connecticut
      TRANSCRIPT:
      As well as cutting carbon emissions to limit climate change, scientists in Switzerland have reported that increasing the amount of forest on the planet should also be a major priority. According to calculations, 1 billion hectares of new forest would lock away over 200 billion tonnes of carbon: that’s enough to keep temperature rises by 2050 to within 1.5 degrees Celsius. But have we got the space for all these trees? And can this really work? The new study suggests that we do and it can, but we need to act fast. University of Connecticut ecologist Robin Chazdon, who wasn’t involved in the work, took a look at the figures for us…
      Robin – Bringing back about one billion hectares of forest cover would help to limit the effects of global warming to only 1.5 degrees by 2050. This would be additional forest cover because we have lost a tremendous amount of forest cover already…READ ON
      https://www.thenakedscientists.com/articles/interviews/planting-forests-climate-change

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        PADRE

        I am an Anglican priest and an engineer in a previous life. I have preached that we have nothing to fear from climate change, in fact we should be grateful for the benign climate in which we find ourselves. I couldn’t bring myself to listen to the programmes you mention, Pat, as the trailers promised drivel. With all due respect to my fellow clergy, they come into the category of “useful idiots”.

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    Dennis

    I have noticed many television advertisements for DC Power Co recently so decided to investigate via their website.

    Read the financial report, and auditors report.

    Let the buyers beware …

    https://www.dcpowerco.com.au

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      WXcycles

      Yes a lot of ‘renewables’ industry lobbying during the past 2 weeks … for more govt spending.

      If they were any good they would be in demand, instead of coal and nuclear.

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      Bobl

      Yes, I thought about a report to advertising standards about obviously misleading advertising.

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    pat

    when will ABC management put a halt to the taxpayer-funded staff’s insertion of CAGW into so much of the Corporation’s content?

    14 Jul: ABC Science: How well prepared are we to deal with a catastrophic asteroid strike?
    ABC Science By Carl Smith for Science Friction
    (Lindley Johnson, NASA’s planetary defence officer) has previously described asteroids between 400 and 500 metres across hitting the Earth as “climate change in an afternoon” (LINK)…
    Are asteroids really the greatest threat to humanity?
    Human nature may be our worst enemy, says Mr Johnson.
    “I think our biggest risk is forgetting that we are all one human species,” he says.
    “Currently this is the only place we know of in the universe — Earth — where we are able to live right now.”…
    Dr Tucker says the problem is that we appear to ignore processes on Earth and in space that happen over long timescales.
    “It’s the same treatment of the problem of both climate change and ‘space stuff’.
    “It’s always kind of this laissez-faire type, ‘it’s going to happen in the future, we’ll worry about it later’, but that’s not the way to solve it.”…
    Want more science from across the ABC?…
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2019-07-14/asteroids-and-apocalypse-and-life-on-earth/11282664

    14 Jul: ABC: Honey producers hand-feed bees during drought to save hives, with sting likely for consumers
    ABC Illawarra By Justin Huntsdale
    Heat is on for beekeepers
    At nearby Bundanoon, beekeeper Denis Garbutt said he had watched the situation deteriorate over the past 25 years as climate change caused warmer winters.
    “The past couple of years we haven’t had any major honey flows, and the gum trees don’t seem to be flowering as well as they should,” he said.
    “Honey is seasonal and sometimes gum trees won’t flower for four to five years — and I’m hoping that’s what we’re having now — but at the same time, this time of the year we’d have frost, it would be cold.
    “Here, we’re having beautiful autumn days.”…

    14 Jul: ABC: Wheatstone gas emissions ‘excessive’, say residents in north-west WA town of Onslow
    ABC Pilbara By Susan Standen
    Environmental groups have called for greater transparency about the potential health impacts of Australia’s largest onshore liquified natural gas (LNG) plant, Chevron’s Wheatstone project, 12 kilometres south-west of the tiny Pilbara town of Onslow in Western Australia.
    The complaints have come amid concerns about Chevron’s neighbouring Gorgon project, which has released millions of tonnes of carbon pollution into the atmosphere and the potential exposure of workers at the Barrow Island facility to toxic emissions…
    Doctors for the Environment Australia (DEA) said emissions could contain a toxic mixture of hydrocarbons, gases, oxides of nitrogen, particulate matter and carbon monoxide, which are all harmful to human health, even at very low concentrations…

    Director of the Conservation Council of WA (CCWA) Piers Verstegen said the company needed to take responsibility to reduce the amount of pollution it was issuing.
    “The impact of the toxic emissions that come from that flare [at Wheatstone] need to be separately examined [to carbon pollution in relation to climate change]…
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-14/onslow-emissions-excessive-say-residents-near-wheatstone-project/10851632

    14 Jul: ABC: Could a return to bartering be the key to cutting food waste? This cafe is trying
    By Nicole Mills
    Mr Shaw, who works as a permaculturist, said there were many environmental benefits to gardening, including the amount of carbon stored in good quality soil.
    “If we improve our soils we can really mitigate climate change and reduce emissions,” he said…

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    pat

    oops.

    14 Jul: ABC4: AP: Climate change forum loses sponsor after dispute over story
    NEW YORK — A planned forum on climate change for Democratic presidential candidates lost several major sponsors on Saturday in the wake of the left-leaning magazine The New Republic publishing — and later retracting — a vulgar and homophobic story (LINK) related to gay presidential contender Pete Buttigieg.

    The New Republic was slated as a chief sponsor of a September event designed to spark climate change discussion among candidates during a U.N. climate summit. The magazine pulled down (LINK) what it called “an opinion piece” about Buttigieg soon after its publication on Friday, citing “criticism of the piece’s inappropriate and invasive content.” But The New Republic as well as three top sponsors bowed out of the climate change event.
    The League of Conservation Voters said in a statement withdrawing from the climate forum that the magazine’s “offensive piece” about the Democratic mayor of South Bend, Indiana, “and the choice to run it, are inconsistent with our values.” The Center for American Progress Action Fund said that while it “strongly supports the idea of giving the candidates a forum to address climate change,” remaining a backer of the planned forum “is not possible” following The New Republic’s decision to publish its Buttigieg story.

    Another sponsor of the summit, Gizmodo Media Group, wrote Saturday that the Natural Resources Defense Council Action Fund environmental group also had withdrawn from the forum after The New Republic’s piece and that the magazine itself had also backed out of the event. The forum is still scheduled for Sept. 23 in New York.
    https://abcnews4.com/news/nation-world/climate-change-forum-loses-sponsor-after-dispute-over-story

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      David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

      That would appear to conicide with the UNClimate Action Summit in New York. The warmists are getting really active…
      Cheers
      D

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    Zane

    According to the scribbles of both Alan Kohler in the Weekend Oz and the author of a new tome called Blackout, dealing with Australia’s electricity grid, there will never be another coal-fired power generator built in Australia, and possibly not even another large gas generator. Instead, the future is 40% renewables and whatever else. The Blackout chap has drunk deep from the jug of climate change koolaid. He accepts the pseudo science of CC as a given, and speaks much of something he calls ” carbon risk “. With guys like this setting the agenda, the future is not very bright…

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    14 Jul: ABC: NSW should brace for another cold front and more damaging winds, BOM warns
    By Kevin Nguyen and Angelique Lu
    New South Wales is bracing for a third cold front just a day after wild weather wreaked havoc at Sydney Airport and along the south-eastern coastline…
    “Yesterday we saw quite strong wind gusts. Today we also have another front moving through during the afternoon and through to the evening … and into early Monday,” BOM meteorologist Rob Taggart said…
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-14/new-south-wales-weather-more-damaging-wind-on-way/11307568

    14 Jul: MyGoldCoast: Temps plummet to near -1C in Gold Coast hinterland
    by Jaydan Duck
    It’ll be a similar story on Monday as well, with below average temperatures.
    In fact, the crisp clear mornings and picture-perfect days are set to stick around for the entire working week…
    http://www.mygc.com.au/temps-plummet-to-near-1c-in-gold-coast-hinterland/

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      Greg in NZ

      Blizzards and heavy snowfall warnings for Victoria, one metre of freshies over 72 hours for BOTH of our islands’ higher peaks, -21˚C Greenland summit (summer), -70˚C Valkyrie Dome, Antarctica – if only we’d listened to Greta!

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    Zane

    I would not be surprised at all if to virtue signal and meet the 40% renewables target our foolish politicians also began to switch previous coal plants to burning wood pellets and biomass. Forests will have to be grown to supply the feedstock, more jobs jobs jobs for chainsaw wielding types, and the greenies will applaud. The silliness will never end.

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      More than just silly. It’s criminal.

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      Robber

      What could work, as happens in other countries, is to burn waste instead of dumping it into landfill. Since other countries stopped talking Australia’s “recyclables”, that’s where most of it is going. We may feel good putting glass, paper and plastics into a yellow bin, but the problem is the difficulty in separating all the different types of plastics. Almost all of Singapore’s non-recyclable waste is incinerated, with the ash and some solid waste shipped to a man-made island nearby that doubles as a nature reserve.

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        Graeme No.3

        Robber:

        Germany boosts its percentage renewables by burning household garbage to provide area hot water heating in winter.
        Garbage in, hot water out and circulated to higher density housing, sports grounds, possibly de-icing roads and swimming pools as in Denmark. The CO2 emitted isn’t counted by EU rules, much as burning wood pellets doesn’t count. It might actually reduce fuel use a bit in apartments (where there is a furnace in the basement). Very creative accounting for carbon.
        Indeed in England Drax power station has converted 5 of their 6 generating plants to (imported) wood pellets, which officially DO NOT emit CO2 so they qualify for subsidies. (Actual result is about 32-33% Extra CO2).
        The inmates are in charge of the asylum.

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          Don’t listen to what they SAY, look at what they Do.

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          Bill in Oz

          Graeme what about boosting power generation
          By burning plastic rubbish
          In high temperature power generators.
          It would mean cheaper power for us in the Hills
          And save it all being trucked down
          To some land fill on the plains
          To be buried and then generate methane
          For thousands of years.

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          Graeme#4

          This is what Australia should be doing, burning everything, rather than ignoring our waste disposal responsibilities by sending our waste to Asian countries.

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      yarpos

      not in Australia mate, we would import the pellets from somewhere else, a la Drax in the UK

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    On this Antipodean Sunday afternoon, how about a fable from the Great White North?

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    Turtle

    Good stuff on Sky’s Outsiders programme this morning.

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      Annie

      Looking forward to Outsiders Encore tonight, if my OH hasn’t collared the TV for the cricket!
      We watch so little we haven’t got around to setting up to record…sigh!

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    What do “Sorry Day” and a “Welcome to Country” have in common?
    Public political apologies seem to be a favourite plaything of the Left.

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      WXcycles

      The current federal Govt Depts are doing heaps of it too, there are continual messages at online sites recognizing first-peoples blah-blahs, with every new click along. Gives one the poops.

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    OriginalSteve

    Currently charging my e-bike Li battery…its outside on a brick floored courtyard and has a class AB & E fire extinguisher sitting at hand…..

    Interestingly, I picked up a $85 USD 3 phase brushless DC motor controller that can run multiple input voltages ( 24 – 60 V DC ) and is programmable via USB. It actually has a solid steel enclosure, which is great to see and it appears very robust. Currently building my e-bike bit by bit….un-ravelling the mysteries of 3 phase brushless DC motors and controllers and hall effect monitors.

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    pat

    12 Jul: Reuters: British carbon tax to start November 4 in the event of no-deal Brexit – government
    by Susanna Twidale
    PIC: FILE PHOTO: Steam and smoke billow from the Ratcliffe-on-Soar coal-fired power station near Nottingham, Britain, December 1, 2017.
    A British tax on carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions from power stations and factories would begin on Nov. 4 if the country leaves the European Union without a deal on Oct. 31, the UK government said.
    The tax, set at 16 pounds a tonne for 2019, would replace levies under the European Emissions Trading System (ETS), which Britain would automatically leave under a no-deal scenario.

    All current UK operators of stationary installations participating in the ETS would be set an emissions allowance for the purposes of the tax, the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy (BEIS) said in an email sent to stakeholders and seen by Reuters.
    “Emissions above the tax emissions allowance would be taxed on a carbon equivalent basis with installations required to make one payment a year to cover the tax due,” the notice said…
    If Britain leaves the European Union with a deal it said it intends to stay in the ETS until the end of the current trading phase at the end of 2020.
    https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-eu-britain-carbontrading/british-carbon-tax-to-start-november-4-in-the-event-of-no-deal-brexit-government-idUKKCN1U70NG

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    pat

    12 Jul: BusinessGreen: Five top tips for unlocking green behaviour change
    by Madeleine Cuff
    Earlier today MPs on the Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy (BEIS) Committee warned the UK has “no chance” of meeting its stretching climate change targets (LINK) unless immediate action is taken to improve energy efficiency in homes and buildings across the country.
    The rate of energy efficiency installations has plummeted by 95 per cent since 2012, as government incentives have been withdrawn, leaving households and businesses to foot the cost of work themselves…

    Experts at Shell’s Powering Progress Together Summit last week repeatedly stressed that what might seem like a convincing, logical argument for consumers to make changes – such as the promise of financial savings – are not always enough to convince people to act.
    Too often when businesses and governments design schemes focused on behaviour change, they fail to think through how decision-making works in the real world. That requires taking note of ingrained habits, ‘hassle’ factors, and contextual circumstances. It also means considering what people actually care about and respond to when designing marketing materials, not what economists assume they should care about.
    “We need to gear policy more towards human ways of decision-making behaviour rather than the hypothetical actor,” argued Toby Parks, head of energy and sustainability at the Behavioural Insights Team…

    Here are some pointers…READ ALL
    https://www.businessgreen.com/bg/feature/3078871/five-top-tips-for-unlocking-planet-saving-behaviour-change

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    scaper...

    Has anyone here watched the Soho Forum debate on global warming?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wBDR-5ltVI&feature=youtu.be

    The debaters were Craig Idso for the affirmative, and Jeffrey Bennett for the negative. Idso seemed to using emotion and Bennett creamed him with indisputable facts.

    Also, on Outsiders today, two scientific organisations have come out and said/wrote papers that there is no evidence that CO2 is responsible for climate change. This scam is starting to unravel.

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    pat

    registration required:

    13 Jul: Scotsman: Solar panels on the moon ‘could solve Earth’s energy problems’
    by Tom Bawden

    full text here:

    12 Jul: iNews: Put solar panels on the Moon to help solve climate change, says first Brit into space Dr Helen Sharman
    Former astronaut says using the Moon could help solve our climate crisis
    by Tom Bawden
    Putting giant solar panels on the Moon or mirrors into lunar orbit would go a long way towards solving the Earth’s energy problems and climate crisis, according to the former astronaut Dr Helen Sharman, the first Briton to go into space.
    The Sun is a colossal source of energy, a tiny fraction of which is converted into electricity on Earth using solar panels. However, these are inefficient because much of the time it is dark and cloudy and the solar energy has been filtered through the atmosphere, Dr Sharman said.

    These panels also take up huge areas of land which could potentially be used to plant trees, grow crops, build housing or be left to nature.
    But tapping the energy of the Sun with solar panels on our empty, cloudless Moon could provide a major source of clean energy…READ ON
    https://inews.co.uk/news/science/solar-panels-moon-climate-change-dr-helen-sharman/

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      Annie

      More litter on the moon. How would the electricity reach the earth without transmission losses?!

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        Annie

        How do you fancy massive microwave energy beamed towards us? Perhaps someone sensible could comment on this.

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          AndyG55

          007 GoldenEye. ! :-)

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          OriginalSteve

          Ha…a little tongue in cheek here, but with a large energy beam being projected on the moon, will it alter the moons orbit?

          Equal and opposite reactions, and all….

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      David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

      Wow. What a fantastic idea. The moon’s out there with no clouds, so is in perpetual sunlight all the time!…???
      At full moon. Only. (I guess it’s partially sunlit for some of the time…)
      And those panels will handle the extreme cold of those shaded days? With no CO2 to warm them?
      I bet Dr Helen doesn’t offer to install them.
      Cheers
      D

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      theRealUniverse

      ‘Put solar panels on the Moon to help solve climate change,’ So exactly which Funny Farm was he released from?

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      The powerline to Earth could be a tricky thing to build..

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      Bill in Oz

      There used to be “Science Fiction” and we knew it was fiction
      Now there is ‘Fiction Science’
      And guess what ?
      We know it is Fiction !
      But obviously the idiots at the Scotsman
      Have got confused or perhaps
      Simply brainwashed.

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    pat

    12 Jul: TheEcologist: North Sea oil and gas exploration ‘dangerous’
    by Katrine Bussey
    Environmental campaigners have warned a move to open up new areas of the North Sea for exploration by oil and gas firms is “dangerous”.
    While the UK government has recently committed to reaching net zero emissions by 2050, the Oil and Gas Authority (OGA) – which became a government company in 2016 – announced the latest round of licensing applications.
    A total of 768 blocks or part blocks are being made available for exploration in different areas of the UK Continental Shelf.

    While the OGA argues oil and gas will “remain an important part of our energy mix for the foreseeable future”, WWF Scotland director Lang Banks said the move undermines efforts to tackle the climate emergency and is “totally irresponsible”…
    https://theecologist.org/2019/jul/12/north-sea-oil-and-gas-exploration-dangerous

    dreamin’:

    11 Jul: Guardian: Electric cars could form battery hubs to store renewable energy
    By 2050, National Grid predicts, 35m electric cars will supply energy when needed
    by Jillian Ambrose
    National Grid predicts that by 2050 millions of electric cars will use wind and solar power to charge up within minutes to act as battery packs for when the grid needs more energy (LINK).
    The grid operator’s long-range energy forecasts predict that smart charging systems will use algorithms to help cars balance demand and supply on the grid, while making the most of renewable energy and saving customers money…
    There are fewer than 200,000 electric vehicles on UK roads…

    National Grid’s report also predicts that a net-zero target will require that homes use at least a third less energy for heating than at present and shift away from using natural gas in boilers and radiators…READ ON
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jul/11/electric-cars-could-form-battery-hubs-to-store-renewable-energy

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      Maptram

      “National Grid predicts that by 2050 millions of electric cars will use wind and solar power to charge up within minutes to act as battery packs for when the grid needs more energy (LINK).”

      Very expensive batteries, and if the battery power is used to provide power to the grid the power is not then available to drive the car. As well, while the car is being driven, the battery is not available to receive the renewable power . And the battery experts would probably tell us that batteries don’t charge up within minutes, so the idea assumes there will be a large improvement in battery technology.

      Perhaps it’s an extension of Prince Charles’ idea from a few years ago, when he bought a hybrid car, to go along with the Rolls Royce and the Range Rover and a few other vehicles, so he was doing something to help the environment. Now the rich climate alarmists will buy a battery vehicle to go with their mercedes, BMW etc, so they are doing something to help stop climate change.

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        OriginalSteve

        Yup….high rate charging of batteries with current technology, degrades batteries quickly……so they will need more batteries more frequently with lots of heavy metals….

        Score!!

        I shake my head…..

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        theRealUniverse

        “National Grid predicts that by 2050 millions of electric cars will use wind and solar power to charge up within minutes to act as battery packs for when the grid needs more energy (LINK).”
        Another total impossibility. All in lala land again.

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          OriginalSteve

          It has been theorized that the current similar disconnect with people right now and the green reality for most people, that is simialr to what was going on in Nazi Germany in the 1930s, that allowed the nazis to propogate the logical working out of their twisted world view……

          I see much similarity, likewise the stoush with Galileo and the roman church……

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        Another Ian

        ” there will be a large improvement in battery technology.”

        Wasn’t that what the makers of the Baker Electric hoped for as they eyed off competition from the Stanley Steamer?

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    toorightmate

    Prince Charlie Big Ears says we have 18 months to save the planet.
    There, the science has finally been settled.

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    Zane

    Some interesting stuff in The Economist magazine this week about a team of researchers at a US university who seek to improve the electric car design. They are working on electric motors that reside inside the wheels of the car, thus no need for brakes, gears, drive shafts, etc. The vehicle is so much lighter the battery needed is far smaller and takes much less time to charge. Charging is via both plug in and regenerative braking. The concept makes much sense if EVs are ever to become truly viable.

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      Latus Dextro

      It is inconceivable that there will be mass ownership of e-vehicles. Not only are they massively inefficient and a squandering black hole of energy waste, they are unsustainable given their utilisation of rare earth metals. 30% of the e-vehicle is dead weight battery for cryin’ out loud. They also possess a similar CO2 “footprint” from point of manufacture to destruction, if that is your non-thing.

      They were really never intended for ubiquitous private ownership but a pooled resource available for rent, by designation or by appointment, dependent upon one’s social credit score. Only the designated, the elite and the wealthy may enjoy independent vehicle ownership in the Orwellian future proposed in UN Urban Habitat III, coming to a city near you now … unless you VOTE IT AND THE GREEN DEATH INTO OBLIVION

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      Zane

      Obviously of the “if it isn’t on CD it doesn’t exist” literature research fraternity.

      “alt-power vehicles
      54-wheel-drive: The LeTourneau electric arctic land trains that put Australian road trains to shame”

      https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2009/11/19/54-wheel-drive-the-letourneau-electric-arctic-land-trains-that-put-australian-road-trains-to-shame/

      Meet the LeTorneau Electric Wheel

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      Graeme No.3

      Zane:

      All that is standard engineering actions, except the No Brakes. Regenerative breaking becomes less efficient as your speed drops, so very long distances would be needed to come to a stop.
      Perhaps that’s why the Leaders of the Gullibles are trying to reduce car ownership. Less cars, more room to brake (and less reason to do so). A bit like in the communist countries where government bigwigs could speed down the nearly empty roads to their destination, and the peasants got to use overcrowded public transport.

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      Geoffrey Williams

      ‘Electric motors that reside inside the wheels of the car’
      Good luck with that one Zane !! Stop and think about it . .
      GeoffW

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        Graeme#4

        There is even an electric motor and worm drive that goes down into the bike frame, directly powering the pedal shaft. A Belgian cycle racer was caught with one fitted to his bike during a bike race.

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      Chad

      In wheel motors (hub motors) are nothing new…used in billions of Ebikes, electric scooters, and even commercial electric vehicles (buses etc) as well as heavy mining vehicles.
      Most car makers have built development vehicles with wheel motors..
      It is not favored on lightweight vehicles due to the mass of motor required to produce the low rpm torque needed for hill starts etc. .That high torque can better be provided by the use of gearing from a smaller , high rpm design, motor as typified in a Tesla.
      Regen braking is a proven technology and can function fine without mechanical backup.
      Low speed effectiveness can be enhanced by the use of reverse current injection.
      I guess the Economist should stick to what it knows best !

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        Graeme No.3

        but Chad, reverse current injection would wreck their claims of “the car recharges itself while going” as one of the more gullible enthusiasts told me.

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        Bill in Oz

        The Economist has NOT known anything
        About Economics for a about 20 years
        I used to subscribe
        Now I don’t even look at at online.

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    Travis T. Jones

    How a carbon (sic) tax makes people silly.

    We have such dark and long winters,” said Mari Karjalainen, one of the founders of the event.
    “This really gives us lots of time to plan for our short summers and come up with silly ideas.”

    Purl jam: Finland hosts heavy metal knitting championship

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/music/114223395/purl-jam-finland-hosts-heavy-metal-knitting-championship

    Finland introduced the world’s first carbon tax in 1990:

    https://www.sbs.com.au/news/factbox-carbon-tax-around-the-world

    Science!

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      TdeF

      Yes, that makes sense, Finland against Global Warming. One of the coldest countries on Earth with a population of 5.5 million. Alaska might be colder but it is not a country and only has 700,000 people. There are half as many in Murmansk in Russia.

      As for sea rise, how can it be uniform? The planet is not round and the temperature is not constant. The Equator is 20km higher than the poles.
      So why are the Finns scared of a bit of warming? Finland makes Sweden look like the Maldives.

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    TdeF
    Have you seen Ed Berry’s paper? Right up your alley.

    As does Hermann Harde’s paper.

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      Tdef

      Yes, thanks. It is the same simple argument based on physics. You can measure the age of CO2 and the essential tacit argument of the IPCC is that fossil CO2 is special and it stays in the air forever.

      Dr. Berry believes papers help. I am not so sure. What papers has science ignorant Al Gore written for the Nobel Peace Prize?

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        TdeF

        Also I have read that these countries formely under 3km of ice are still springupwards, easily outpacing sea rises. Stockholm had to be moved as the port no longer worked. There is something wrong with being against something which is good for you.

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    pat

    13 Jul: ScienceTimes: Shifting to Renewable Energy Can Drive up Energy Poverty, Study Says
    by Sandra Handy
    In a new study from Portland State University, efforts to shift away from fossil fuels and replace oil and coal with renewable energy sources can help reduce carbon emissions but do so at the expense of increased inequality.
    The co-author of the study and assistant professor of sociology in PSU’s College of Liberal Arts and Sciences, Julius McGee, and an assistant professor of sociology at Vanderbilt University, Patrick Greiner, discovered in a study of 175 nations from 1990 that renewable energy consumption reduces carbon emission more effectively when it occurs in a context of increasing inequality. Conversely, it reduces emissions to a lesser degree when occurring in a context of decreasing bias.

    The researchers published their findings in the journal Energy Research & Social Science, and they support previous claims by researchers who argue that renewable energy consumption may be indirectly driving energy poverty…
    https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/23354/20190713/shifting-renewable-energy-drive-up-poverty-study.htm

    12 Jul: ScienceDaily: Shifts to renewable energy can drive up energy poverty, study finds
    Source: Portland State University
    Alternatively, in poorer nations, renewable sources of electricity have been used to alleviate energy poverty. In rural areas in southeast Asia and sub-Saharan Africa, a solar farm can give an agrarian community access to electricity that historically never had access to energy, McGee said.
    “That’s not having any impact on carbon dioxide emissions because those rural communities never used fossil fuels in the first place,” he said…
    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/07/190712151926.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily%2Fscience_society%2Fethics+%28Ethics+News+–+ScienceDaily%29

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      Analitik

      Hence China and India being amongst the nations exempt from CO2 emission reduction targets under the Paris agreement

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        Bill in Oz

        Let’s put that another way.
        Imagine you are in a leaking life boat
        In oder to save the people on the boat
        People start bailing out the water in the boat
        But some people because they are ‘special’
        Are instead allowed to ‘bail’
        More water in the life boat.

        Such is the what the international treaties allow.
        And such crap betrays their idiocy.
        Either there is an ‘ a climate emergency’
        Or there is not.

        The childish idiots rule !

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    14 Jul: Japan Today: Reuters: King coal rules for power utilities in Japan
    By Aaron Sheldrick and Yuri Harada
    Japanese utilities will rely on the return of coal-fired power plants from maintenance to meet peak electricity demand this summer, highlighting the country’s dependence on the more polluting fuel instead of natural gas.
    Coal-power stations capable of producing 10,437 megawatts (MW) of electricity will be fired up in the next few weeks, a Reuters survey of the companies shows…

    The return of these units illustrates Japan’s inability to shake off coal as a mainstay fuel for its power generation despite pledges to reduce carbon emissions under the 2015 Paris climate agreemement…

    Coal power is expected to provide 285.7 billion kilowatt hours (kWh) of electricity in the year through March 2020, an increase of 3.3% over the previous twelve months, according to supply plans submitted by utilities and generators to the government and published by Japan’s power grid monitor…
    Japanese utilities typically put coal stations into maintenance in between the winter and peak demand seasons…
    https://japantoday.com/category/business/King-coal-rules-for-power-utilities-in-Japan

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    theRealUniverse

    Just recent..WA joining the earthquake club..Mag 6.6 Lat 18.2S Lon 120.3 E (at sea). May have rattled a few windows in Broome.

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      Greg in NZ

      Broome you say, hmm… Barrow Island gas… Monte Bello Islands (1950s nukes c/- the UK ‘club’)… nah sweet as, just a 6-point-sixer… whoops, don’t mention the Timor Trough… Bird, P. (2003) An updated digital model of plate boundaries, Geochemistry Geophysics Geosystems

      http://peterbird.name/publications/2003_PB2002/2003_PB2002.htm

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        Greg in NZ

        Nineteen Eighty-Four – 1984 – was the year I learned Her Majesty’s armed forces had nuked Australia between the years 1952-1963. A surfing buddy in Margaret River, West Australia had just come back from working on the Barrow Island oil rigs and, in telling me about the amazing waves they scored up there, mentioned he’d surfed a reef off somewhere called the Monte Bello Islands where “the Poms blew up their nukes back in the 50s”. Say what?!

        “The British government / military conducted three nuclear bomb tests at Monte Bello Islands off the coast of Western Australia. While the Islands were uninhabited, the nuclear tests conducted there spread radioactivity across large portions of mainland Australia – for example one test resulted in ‘radioactive rain’ on the Queensland coast”. And New Zealand too?

        https://australianmap.net/monte-bello-islands/

        N.B. Beware: site references their ABC and Friends of the Earth.

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          Another Ian

          Shows they weren’t too good at weather prediction back then either

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            Greg in NZ

            Maybe they confused ‘west’ with ‘east’ – as some still do today. From what I’ve read they were expecting a sou’easter to blow any fallout westwards into the Indian Ocean, yet as we know, Mama Nature can be a cruel mistress and a ‘sudden change in wind direction‘ blew the goop eastwards across the whole sunburned continent. Skin cancer anyone? Strange lumps? For Queen and Country and tallyho chaps what oh!

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    Around the meet v/s vegetarian discussion

    “Missouri police apprehend felon after loud fart gave away his location”

    https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/world/missouri-police-apprehend-felon-after-loud-fart-gave-away-his-location/news-story/e104bc82928bdcdc09b1b78549ce6f13

    Vegan?

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    pat

    read all:

    13 Jul: WashingtonNewsday: The energy issues in Ontario should be a warning.
    By Mette Frederiksen
    Last week, Consumers Energy, which provides electrical services to 1.8 million customers in Michigan, and the Michigan Public Service Commission, which oversees state utilities, eagerly reported that state regulators had just approved the utility’s first integrated resource plan that sets strategies for the construction and operation of generating assets over the next 20 years.

    The approved plan obliges the utility to close all its coal-fired power plants by 2040 and terminate contracts for approximately half of its natural gas-fired power purchases and all its nuclear power purchases. The plan then approves tens of millions of dollars in additional costs for demand and efficiency programs that will limit the electricity consumption of Michigan residents. The plan inextricably links the cost and reliability of Michigan’s electricity supply to a massive 6 gigawatt expansion of solar power – although Michigan’s geography ensures that it is among the lowest levels of solar irradiation in the nation.

    While the benefits and the progressive “green” groups encouraged approval of the plan, the Ratepayers in Michigan have little to celebrate. Recent studies show that the price expectations for solar, which guide supply decisions, are driven by economic measures such as Leveled Energy Costs (LCOE). But such figures do not accurately measure the full cost of renewable energy to the grid.
    In fact, they typically overstate renewable energy while misrepresenting the lower operating costs of existing fossil and nuclear facilities, which can be up to two to three times lower than the cost of building solar or wind turbines…READ ALL
    https://www.washingtonnewsday.com/us-politics/the-energy-issues-in-ontario-should-be-a-warning/

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      Graeme No.3

      Weren’t they satisfied with the destruction of Detroit?

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      Bill in Oz

      The road to greenist heaven
      is paved with high power costs, unemployment & poverty !
      But they are on the road to heaven
      So these idiots don’t care who is hurt.

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    pat

    lengthy, read all:

    13 Jul: Menafn: Xinhua: Fines from US$ 29 to US$ 7266 in Shanghai for failing to sort out garbage
    Over 24 million permanent residents in Shanghai face a daily daunting test, and passing it is important…
    With a set of regulations coming into force, individuals, businesses and institutions in the city are ordered to sort garbage into four separate bins. Anyone who fails to do so could face fines…
    For every 300 to 500 households, there is a designated garbage disposal site where volunteers carefully check whether the household waste is accurately classified.

    Domestic waste is required to be classified into four categories: dry refuse, wet trash, recyclable waste and hazardous waste. Individuals who fail to sort garbage and decline to rectify can be fined up to 200 yuan (29 U.S. dollars), and businesses and institutions could be fined up to 50,000 yuan (7266 US dollars).
    On Monday, Shanghai issued 623 notices for rectification to institutions and companies who failed to sort their garbage accurately…
    Shanghai generates some 26,000 tonnes of garbage per day…

    Just like Zheng, many did not believe that this huge city could implement garbage sorting overnight simply. Multiple cities across the country have piloted garbage sorting over the past two decades but failed to achieve ideal results.
    Many were skeptical as they had earlier witnessed the garbage trucks dumping and mixing different types of garbage into one container and driving away.
    To dispel the distrust, all the garbage trucks in Shanghai are painted with different colors corresponding to different categories of garbage bins…READ ON
    https://menafn.com/1098754958/Fines-from-US-29-to-US-7266-in-Shanghai-for-failing-to-sort-out-garbage

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    Analitik

    Anyone else sick of NAIDOC week and the Adam Goodes doco even before they’ve aired?

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    yarpos

    Watching the cricket world cup with my wife. She made the following , pinot grigio fuelled yet insightful comment “you know, whatever happens the Kiwis get to go back to NZ. The Poms get to stay on that dismal grey island”

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      Annie

      You seem to have made your escape from this cold, wet, dismal, soggy part of the world for the time being Yarpos and Mrs Y! Good timing! It’s welly-boots squelching and sticking in the mud time :( I keep telling myself that we needed the rain…but it’s still pretty unpleasant out there. Very grateful for the wood stove and the lovely old bits of red gum we were allowed to pick up on a friend’s property.
      My OH is watching the cricket…

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      Bill in Oz

      I did once spend a lovely 10 days in Devon
      Near Toytness
      Sunny mild weather
      With just a single day of drizzle.
      Nice holiday !

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    theRealUniverse

    Viva la revolution,
    Bastille day 230 anniversary!

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    pat

    14 Jul: Guardian: ‘Just a matter of when’: the $20bn plan to power Singapore with Australian solar
    Ambitious export plan could generate billions and make Australia the centre of low-cost energy in a future zero-carbon world
    by Adam Morton
    Known as Sun Cable, it is promised to be the world’s largest solar farm. If developed as planned, a 10-gigawatt-capacity array of panels will be spread across 15,000 hectares and be backed by battery storage to ensure it can supply power around the clock.

    Overhead transmission lines will send electricity to Darwin and plug into the NT grid. But the bulk would be exported via a high-voltage direct-current submarine cable snaking through the Indonesian archipelago to Singapore…
    The NT plan follows a similarly ambitious proposal for the Pilbara, where another group of developers are working on an even bigger wind and solar hybrid plant to power local industry and develop a green hydrogen manufacturing hub…

    These developments are still at relatively early stages of planning…
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jul/14/just-a-matter-of-when-the-20bn-plan-to-power-singapore-with-australian-solar

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      Graeme No.3

      ‘Just a matter of when’ they discover the ‘geologically active tectonic junction between Australia and Indonesia.
      ‘Just a matter of when’ they discover that the solar energy out in the dusty desert is a lot lower than theoretical.
      ‘Just a matter of when’ they discover the problems with hydrogen as a fuel.

      ‘Just a matter of when’ will The Guardian stop publishing nonsense?

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        Bill in Oz

        Absolutely Graeme !
        When will they ?
        Probably long after it matters at all
        Does the Guardioan ever publish a “We got it wrong ” ?
        Never seen one.

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        Annie

        My first thought was ‘what about the tectonics of the area?’!
        Let alone all the other forseeable problems!

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        Building on sand and not
        upon rock, you can only go from
        insane to worse and worse.

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      Chad

      What are they smokiing over at the Guardian ?
      A 10 GW solar farm ? …has anyone even built a 1 GW version yet ?
      “Batteries for 24hr backup”…? That would be a 100++ Gwhr battery then ? ,..1000 ++ times bigger than Teslas “worlds Biggest Battery”.
      and…a HVDC cable to transmit 10GW ??
      “tell him he’s dreamin’ “

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    pat

    13 Jul: KXNET: Oversized Semi-trucks Carrying Wind Turbine Blades Caused Significant Traffic Delays Saturday Morning
    by Renee Cooper
    This morning the North Dakota Highway Patrol responded to Highway 83 and I-94 near Sterling, to help multiple semi-trucks make the turn onto I-94 west from Highway 83, around 9 a.m.
    The trucks were hauling wind turbine blades from Aberdeen, South Dakota to Glen Ullin…

    The company hauling the blades was Bulldog Highway Express out of Charleston, South Carolina. Both drivers were cited for violating the terms of their permits
    https://www.kxnet.com/news/local-news/oversized-semi-trucks-carrying-wind-turbine-blades-caused-significant-traffic-delays-saturday-morning/

    13 Jul: OmahaWorldHerald: Lawsuit says 2 Cherry County Board members have conflicts of interest in wind farm fight
    By Reece Ristau; Todd von Kampen of the World-Herald News Service contributed to this report
    A battle over wind energy development in Nebraska’s Sand Hills will head to court this week as an advocacy group attempts to stop a controversial project in Cherry County.
    A lawsuit (LINK) filed earlier this month claims two Cherry County Board members stand to financially gain from approval of a 19-turbine wind farm planned west of Kilgore because of familial connections to the project — a project they’re scheduled to vote on this week…

    The lawsuit was brought by Preserve the Sandhills — a group of 500 ranchers, property owners and residents working to protect the prairies and sand dunes covering north-central Nebraska — and Charlene Reiser-McCormick, a Valentine landowner…
    https://www.omaha.com/news/nebraska/lawsuit-says-cherry-county-board-members-have-conflicts-of-interest/article_e6aec88f-bde6-5c7c-8a63-5b922ac2c86c.html

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    Red Edward

    Why Texas is Texas. . .

    The US has different property ownership laws than the rest of the world; to wit –

    When you own land in the US, you own all the minerals attached to it. There is no “Crown Ownership” (Government) ownership of minerals. (Of course one can sell the minerals separate from the surface, then you wouldn’t own the minerals. But somebody would.)

    So driller A can make a deal with landowner B to drill for the oil and gas under the land. Owner B gets a cut of the production. (Usually between 1/8 and 1/4 of all production under the land.)

    Private enterprise (GREED) at work. And lots of oil and gas gets produced.

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      Another Ian

      As the saying goes

      “Cattle do better when they have oil well pumps to scratch themselves on”.

      IIRC one of the conditions for Texas joining the Union was that there would be no federal lands

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      Graeme#4

      And lots of cheap electricity is produced.

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    “99 PER CENT WRONG ON WARMING SCARE”

    “The most depressing thing I read in last weekend’s newspapers was a rant from a professor of politics at two Australian universities.

    “Some (sceptics) even argue that their free speech is being curtailed because they don’t get equal airtime in debates on (global warming),” jeered Peter van Onselen.

    “Never mind that 99 per cent of climate scientists say it’s a genuine phenomenon.”

    That statement is so wrong and unscientific that it’s a shock to hear it from an academic.”

    Behind wall at

    https://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/99-per-cent-wrong-on-warming-scare/news-story/277c09fc328cfa7085ae167d42733681

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      Bill in Oz

      Onselan is an idiot.
      I stopped reading him back in 2013
      When I still though global warming was happening.
      I wonder why the Oz pays him to print rubbish
      Perhaps he is just the resident Greenist at the Oz
      But surely there are better more intelligent & informed ones out there

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      glen Michel

      Onselen called people in favour of retaining traditional marriage as “troglodyte “.Another idiot academic who hasn’t seen the sun for decades.A sophist who thinks at a superficial level.

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    el gordo

    Bob Brown is organising to stop a wind farm in Tasmania because it ruins the view, clearly he isn’t thinking of the grandchildren in a hothouse world.

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      TdeF

      Sure, Climate refugees from tropical Central America to Chicago? Seriously, who believes that? Older Americans are moving South for the heat.

      The problem with this Climate crisis is that it does not make any sense. More than half of humanity live in cold countries. Those who live in hot countries often live in water moderated tropical areas. And for those in between, access to water and energy is the crisis, not the Climate but the Greens object to doing anything with managing water sensibly. History will show, if it is not obvious by now, that the real villains are the Greens. Their uncaring, thoughtless, selfish virtue signalling is idiocy affirming.

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        Maptram

        The Greens object to managing anything sensibly.

        Take forests and wilderness. The Greens believe wilderness like that in Tasmania should be locked up and not touched and when bushfires damage a lot of it, they blame climate change. However, I have seen a couple of times on the ABC, on Catalyst or something similar, reports of cool season burning in the NT to reduce the fuel available for hot season bushfires. An oil company funds the local indigenous people to do it and gets carbon credits. It would seem to me that cool season burning would do the same in other forests. Also on the ABC was a program about the Tasmanian bushfires, part of which was about weather recording equipment, of which there is none in the Tasmanian wilderness, so no early warning of bad weather.

        In Queensland, the Greens blamed climate change for the Townsville floods. Nobody ever said don’t build houses on flood plains.

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        theRealUniverse

        ‘Older Americans are moving South for the heat.’ I saw Robert Felix of iceagenow has recently moved to Texas because of the possible new grand minimum.

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      theRealUniverse

      I just heard and commented below.

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    Kinky Keith

    Over the past year there have been two visitors to the blog who wrote a lot and said nothing.

    Their presence generated differing responses as in this example bringing up the question of whether they should be clearly identified as SKS invaders or just left alone;

    http://joannenova.com.au/2019/07/vegans-save-a-cow-kill-1000-mice-eat-less-red-meat-get-anemia/#comment-2163453

    Out of frustration and worry that vacant comments might be taken as real, this comment was made a few threads back and interestingly was given 4 green ticks.

    I assume that they were given by readers who had read the earlier posts that inspired it and were appreciating the irony.

    http://joannenova.com.au/2019/07/the-climate-scare-machine-is-happy-to-use-people-with-a-mental-illness-as-a-promotional-tool/#comment-2163031

    My take on this is that any invaders from SKS need to be identified for those who might take their contributions seriously. Reading the junk at SKS site is more than enough for me and having it here is not useful.

    KK

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      Bill in Oz

      Keith what’s SKS ?

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      Bill in Oz

      Keith what’s SKS ?

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      joseph

      Kinky,
      What is – #comment-2163031 ? how does it work. It’s probably very simple but I haven’t been able to decode it.

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        Kinky Keith

        :-)
        Hi Joseph,

        It’s a rehash of a section of a comment above it.

        It has one line of truth, the Irish famine, surrounded by complete rubbish.
        It was meant as sarcasm, I hope no-one took it seriously.

        This sort of writing is spread throughout the blog, not by me, but by our “visitors” and seems to accepted as valid contribution by some?

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          joseph

          Kinky,
          Thanks for your reply, but I’m beginning to think I’ve gone completely bonkers. I still can’t figure out what #comment-2163031 is. At first I thought you’d just left a full stop out and it might have been a reply to comment #2, nope, #21, nope, #216, nope, so then wondered if it could be some kind of kinky inversion of date and time. :-) And then I got to wondering if KK had given a comment number that he meant be with a post other than the one it was attached to. I looked through all of the comments to see if I could locate something that resembled what you’ve described. Fail. And as I write this I’m still puzzled . . . . did I not look carefully enough . . . . or what . . . . . ? ?

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            Kinky Keith

            OK
            This is the stupid comment.

            Kinky Keith
            July 12, 2019 at 8:41 pm · Reply

            Since 1860, the bottom of the last snap freeze, there have been three hiati.

            If the hiatus was true, you should be able to use the 1860 year as your start point and see the exact same migration rate. Starving Irish immigrants were keen to get to Australia because of the promise of good weather and therefore reliable food production. The fact that if you did that you would see the underlying warming trend, invalidates the hiatus argument.

            The other two hiati got lost in the backslope.
            Can anyone find a link for that.
            ,,,,,,,,,,,

            It’s complete rubbish. If you can understand what it means I would be very interested to know.
            It’s a simulation of the comments from PF and the earlier poster. Irrelevant junk.

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              joseph

              Mind kinking . . . . :-)

              Think I’ll travel on to the new Bob Brown and the Windmills Jo has posted . . . . . .

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            Kinky Keith

            This was the inspiration;

            Peter Fitzroy
            July 12, 2019 at 4:30 pm · Reply

            I do not see that hiatus, El G. What I do see is a series of El Nino events with ’97 being a massive one. if the hiatus was true, you should be able to use the 2000 year as your start point and see the exact same slope.
            The fact that if you did that you would see the underlying warming trend, invalidates the hiatus argument.

            __________________

            This is the fifth and final hiatus: any further probing might turn it into a hernia.

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      el gordo

      ‘ … SKS need to be identified for those who might take their contributions seriously.’

      A sort of name and shame campaign? You are taking this too seriously?

      PF is a millennial science school teacher confronted by a class of naughty contrarians, its a laugh a minute.

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    Bill in Oz

    CLIMATE CHANGE ?
    Global cooling is happening !
    Frosts in Queensland !
    The horror of it !
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-15/queensland-cold-weather-coldest-day-of-year/11308854

    Actually back in 1990, I spent a lovely week with friends at their farm near Kingaroy.
    It was freezing frosts in the morning for 3-4 days.
    Interesting as the homestead was set up as a typical Queenslander type house.
    Meanwhile on the coast all was warm and cosy.

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    pat

    FakeNewsCNN does podcast with other FakeNewsMSM, praising collective CAGW advocacy:

    12 Jul: CNN: How six Florida newsrooms are working together to strengthen climate change coverage
    By Laney Pope and Brian Stelter
    Since its debut in June, the Florida Climate Reporting Network has sparked interest from a growing number of media outlets — even beyond Florida…
    Right now the Tampa Bay Times, Miami Herald, South Florida Sun Sentinel, Orlando Sentinel, Palm Beach Post, and WLRN Public Media make up the network…
    Participating newsrooms are “getting daily phone calls and emails from newsrooms across the country that want to be a part of this,” according to Tampa Bay Times executive editor Mark Katches…

    Katches, Miami Herald climate change reporter Alex Harris and Julie Anderson, editor-in-chief of the South Florida Sun-Sentinel and the Orlando Sentinel, spoke about their collaboration on this week’s “Reliable Sources” podcast…
    ***AUDIO: 25min37sec

    In practice, the network is a “story sharing arrangement,” Katches said, in which all of the participants can draw from the bank of stories from across the publications.
    “This is a way to harness the power of ***great reporting firepower in the state to create something special,” he said…

    The participants plan to begin pooling their resources and “tackling joint projects together up and down the state,” Katches said.
    ***And they intend to formalize it, perhaps by seeking funding from outside foundations or other partners. “We believe this is a project that should last long beyond us that started it,” Anderson said.
    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/11/media/florida-climate-reporting-network-reliable-sources-podcast/index.html

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    Zane

    Finally some sunshine today. Still a cold wind, though. Greens should be made to wear speedos until their warming shows up.

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    pat

    behind paywalls:

    13 Jul: UK Telegraph: How growing eucalyptus in Scotland could help solve climate change as animal farmers turn to trees
    By Daniel Capurro
    It might be wind farms, batteries and Teslas that grab all the attention in Britain’s fight against climate change, but it’s in one of its oldest professions where the impact is being felt already.
    While farms struggle with the economics of cheap food, the UK’s thirst for biomass combined with government grants is turning some farmers into tree huggers.

    Tim Mack, the forestry manager for Elderslie Estates in Renfrewshire, hopes that they will embrace one tree in particular. He is attempting to pioneer eucalyptus as a forestry product in Scotland.
    The boom in demand for wood pellets for biomass-burning power stations, such as the vast Drax power plant in North Yorkshire, has driven up demand for…
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/13/growing-eucalyptus-scotland-could-help-solve-climate-change/

    14 Jul: UK Times: Households could foot the bill for new nuclear plants
    by John Collingridge and Rachel Millard
    Ministers are set to unveil a controversial new method for funding nuclear power stations and carbon-capture projects — one that heaps cost and risk onto consumers.
    The business department is expected to publish a consultation this week on regulated asset base (RAB) financing in the nuclear sector. It is a method used by water companies and Heathrow airport, allowing them to begin charging households years before a project has been built.

    French giant EDF wants to pioneer the financing model at its proposed Sizewell C power plant in Suffolk. EDF is building the £20bn Hinkley Point C station in Somerset, but argues that it cannot afford to build any future plants in the UK without a new financing approach.
    Ministers are wrestling with how to meet the UK’s power needs, with ageing coal and nuclear stations set to close…
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/5d19adc0-a594-11e9-97a3-6b6d400e533c

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    Zane

    I’d be willing to take a bet that some bright green spark glowing with renewables fervour will suggest fuelling Liddell or Yallourn with wood pellets in the next few years. Daniel Andrews will be all over it. Either homegrown forests or imports maybe from Vietnam, who are getting into pulp plantations, cocoa, and coffee cash crops in a big way. Trees grow fast there and the hunger for foreign exchange is immense. Gotta meet the 40% ” renewables ” target, dontcha know. It doesn’t matter how….

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    pat

    if the poll is accurate, it’s telling. read all, but note: Orano SA is a multinational nuclear fuel cycle company, majority owned by the French state – Wikipedia:

    27 Jun: WorldNuclearNews: French public sees continued use of nuclear energy
    The majority of French people believe nuclear energy will continue to play a significant role in the country’s future energy mix, according to the results of a public opinion poll conducted by BVA on behalf of Orano. However, the study identified misconceptions about the costs and benefits of nuclear energy…
    The survey found that more than half of French people (54%) believe that the use of nuclear energy will remain stable or increase in France…

    The French are largely unaware of nuclear energy’s role in combatting climate change, with 69% of respondents thinking nuclear contributes to greenhouse gas emissions and climate change. “As an illustration of this perception, 11% and 10% of people think that coal and oil (respectively) contribute less to greenhouse gas emissions than nuclear,” Orano said…

    The level of nuclear energy use in France is itself not widely known, with the majority of people putting nuclear’s share of electricity production at around 59%. It is in fact 72%…

    Launching the PPE, Macron announced that a total of 14 French power reactors of 900 MWe capacity will be shut down in order to reduce the share of nuclear in the country’s electricity generation mix from the current 75% to 50% by 2035. He said the closure schedule will depend on the transition of France’s energy mix, including the planned increase of renewable energy sources and the expansion of interconnection capacity with neighbouring countries…
    https://www.world-nuclear-news.org/Articles/French-public-sees-continued-use-of-nuclear-energy

    12 Jul: DefenseNews: France launches first Barracuda-class nuclear attack sub
    By Sebastian Sprenger
    French shipbuilder Naval Group on Friday launched the Suffren nuclear-powered attack submarine here under the gaze of President Emmanuel Macron…
    France wants to buy six copies of the Barracuda class…
    The submarine class’ service life is expected to end sometime in the 2060s.
    The program clocks in at €9.1 billion, (U.S. $10.2 billion), excluding maintenance…
    https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2019/07/12/france-launches-first-barracuda-class-nuclear-attack-sub/

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    Just Thinkin'

    Spent an hour or so listening to Dr Jennifer Marohasy at the Maroochy Surf Club talking about our Magnificient Great Barrier Reef. VERY informative. And, it ain’t dying, by the way. To think her Mum worked there in 1955.
    To know that Indonesian Scientists helped explain how corals died when left UNCOVERED by water during a succession of very low tides. Thank you Doctor. There was over 100 people in attendance, including a couple of Queensland Senators.

    Thank you to Joanne Nova for alerting me to this gathering.

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    pat

    ***closed? without sacking anyone! what a dishonest piece.

    14 Jul: SMH: How Germany ***closed its coal industry without sacking a single miner
    By Nick O’Malley
    (Nick O’Malley travelled as a guest of the Climate Council)
    Now Germany is ***beginning the process of ending its brown coal industry and shutting down the energy plants that it feeds so it can meet its agreements under the Paris climate accord. Some see Germany’s audacious decommissioning of the industry as a model from which Australian has much to learn. Others believe that Australia is simply politically and culturally ill-equipped to do so…

    With the black coal industry closed, German policymakers turned to the nation’s brown coal, the softer, wetter, dirtier material still burnt to create 37 per cent of the nation’s energy – 41 gigawatts of power. In January this year, the government announced that it would close the brown coal industry by 2038 in order to meet its emissions targets under the Paris agreement…

    It would be a “just transition” ***that will in the coming 20 years cost 20,000 jobs…
    https://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/how-germany-closed-its-coal-industry-without-sacking-a-single-miner-20190711-p526ez.html

    22 May: AFP: Germany promises billions to offset coal job losses
    As Germany plans to shutter its coal sector, the government pledged Wednesday to pour €40 billion into mining regions over the coming years to stimulate growth and jobs…
    Elderly mine and coal plant workers would receive allowances to bridge the gap between the end of their employment and their entry into the pension system…

    22 May: Bloomberg: Merkel Cabinet Approves $45 Billion in Aid for Coal Regions
    As many as 60,000 jobs are linked to coal mining and power generation…

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      15 Jul: AustralianMining: Record coal exports continues to drive Queensland economy
      Queensland has set a record in metallurgical and thermal coal exports in June with 21.43 million tonnes of the commodity sent from the state.
      The result represents an 11 per cent increase on the same month last year, highlighting the increase in demand from world markets for Queensland’s coal

      It has contributed to the state’s exports from all resources totalling over $70 billion for the 12 months to May this year for the first time…READ ON
      https://www.australianmining.com.au/news/record-coal-exports-continues-to-drive-queensland-economy/

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        15 Jul: AFR: Climate change activists target GHD over Adani link
        by James Fernyhough
        Global engineering consultancy GHD has become the latest target of anti-fossil fuel activists over its alleged contract with Adani to work on the construction of the Carmichael coal mine.
        The Carmichael project received final environmental approval in June after years of controversy, court challenges and resistance from climate change activists.

        But activists have not accepted defeat, and the Australian Conservation Foundation (ACF), Friends of the Earth affiliate Market Forces and the Australian Youth Climate Coalition are now calling on the company’s staff and members of the public to pressure the firm to pull back from its involvement with the controversial mine…
        The ACF sent an email to 350,000 supporters on Friday asking them to sign a petition calling on GHD to abandon Adani’s mine and rail line, and urging them to email GHD executives personally…
        Market Forces, meanwhile, has been handing out leaflets outside GHD offices and contacting staff over LinkedIn…READ ON
        https://www.afr.com/business/energy/climate-change-activists-target-ghd-over-adani-link-20190712-p526qk

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          14 Jul: Forbes: Ten Countries That Dominate Fossil Fuel Production
          by Robert Rapier
          Despite the rapid growth of renewable energy over the past decade, fossil fuels still dominate global energy consumption. According to BP’s recently-released Statistical Review of World Energy 2019, fossil fuels represented 84.7% of global energy consumption in 2018…

          A company called 911 Metallurgist (LINK) pulled together data from more than a dozen sources to created animated maps showing which countries currently produce the most oil, coal, and natural gas.
          The graphics are consistent with my recent Review series, but they go into more detail by showing the Top 10 in each category, as well as for overall fossil fuel production. By expanding the rankings, some surprises were revealed in each category. (All graphics are used with permission)…

          Coal
          China is by far the world’s leading producer of coal, with 46% of the global total in 2018. I think the biggest surprise in the Top 10 is the presence of Germany, which is widely considered to be one of the world’s “greenest” countries…READ ON
          https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2019/07/14/ten-countries-that-dominate-fossil-fuel-production/#69bf00355b13

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    Hot from the fake mouth of Aunty-Bullsyte News today, Climate refugees. Some dick-h..ed on about how climate refugees will be coming to Australia in droves and some stupid about the defense force being involved, he raved on about sea level change..I was going to throw something at the TV……
    Just listening..OMG! Bangladesh is coming to us!!! Dire warning from the Defense Force it is a RISK to our security..WHAT! Some Mark someone…

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    14 Jul: MarketResearchGazette: Coal Fired Power Generation Market Likely to Emerge over a Period of 2019 – 2024: Tenaga Nasional Bhd, STEAG GmbH, Shenhua Group Corporation Limited, etc.
    https://amarketresearchgazette.com/coal-fired-power-generation-market-likely-to-emerge-over-a-period-of-2019-2024-tenaga-nasional-bhd-steag-gmbh-shenhua-group-corporation-limited-etc/

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    Asians are buying up a lot of our coal assets. They are not stupid, unlike Australian fund managers who listen too much to Alan Kohler and his ilk.

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    14 Jul: Helsinki Times: Finnish Scientists: Effect of human activity on climate change insignificant
    by Paul Kostner
    A new paper published by researchers form the University of Turku in Finland suggests that even though observed changes in the climate are real, the effects of human activity on these changes are insignificant. The team suggests that the idea of man made climate change is a mere miscalculation or skewing the formulas by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)…

    In a previous paper (LINK) by the same scientists published last December, they discuss the effects of cloud cover and relative humidity on the climate change. In a separate study, Japanese scientists have also suggested a much more important role for low clouds cover caused by an increase in cosmic rays resulting form the weakening of the earths magnetic filed…

    Prof. Masayuki Hyodo and his team Yusuke Ueno, Tianshui Yang and Shigehiro Katoh from the University of Kobe in Japan in their paper (LINK) published this month in propose that the “umbrella effect” is the main factor behind climate change…READ ALL
    http://www.helsinkitimes.fi/finland/finland-news/domestic/16562-finnish-scientists-effect-of-human-activity-on-climate-change-insignificant.html

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    14 Jul: World Tribune: Galactic cosmic-rays research rains on man-made climate change parade
    by World Tribune staff
    A pair of new international studies which punched holes in the absoluteness of man-made climate change have gotten little-to-no attention in the corporate media.

    Researchers from Kobe University in Japan found that high-energy particles from space known as galactic cosmic rays affect the Earth’s climate by increasing cloud cover, causing an “umbrella effect.”
    A second study, a paper published by researchers from the University of Turku in Finland, concluded that even though observed changes in the climate are real, the effects of human activity on these changes are insignificant. Such findings create cognitive dissonance for celebrity and media actors committed to the narrative that human behavior is killing the planet.
    “We have to recognize that the anthropogenic climate change does not exist in practice,” the study concluded…READ ON
    https://www.worldtribune.com/galactic-cosmic-rays-research-rains-on-man-made-climate-change-parade/

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