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    James

    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/06/creating_a_heartless_country.html

    An interesting article about the situation in Australia with coal electricity etc.

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      el gordo

      Thanks for the American perspective, it has always been a big empty space, but that is about to change with the Morrison government taking a serious look at very fast trains to assist decentralisation. Overcoming the tyranny of distance on this desert island has always been the problem, so I’m also pushing for drought proofing the Murray Darling Basin with Lake Argyle water.

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        Peter C

        How does the water get from Lake Argyle to the Murray/Darling system?

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        Another Ian

        elgordo

        I think you’ll find that the author is Viv Forbes of the Saltbush Club

        https://saltbushclub.com/about/

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        Analitik

        VFT => government back white elephant

        We aren’t in China

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          el gordo

          The VFT won’t require government monies, whereas the land capture model is worth discussing because its the preferred option to make it viable.

          Decentralisation is the future.

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            Graeme#4

            Agree with your comment on decentralisation. Frankfurt in Germany has very little population, with most workers coming in from small compact “villages” holding 40-60,000 folks. The key is fast trains, with buses or other trains linking to the stations. Heidelberg to Frankfurt, over 100 kms, is covered in one hour with some stops.

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              ivan

              Graeme, that sounds just like a prototype for the slave camps sustainable cities as proposed by the UN Agenda 21.

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                Graeme#4

                Actually Ivan, they seemed to function very well. Lived in one for a year and loved it there. By having a very compact village, everything was within walking distance. And because the villages are connected to a transport hub with very good road systems, not driving through endless suburbs with traffic lights, it was only 5 mins to the main rail station. Didn’t notice that it contained a lot of people, unless you looked at a two-storey house and realised it had four letterboxes. The key to living that close is that folks have a lot more respect for each other’s space.

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                el gordo

                G4 compact villages are the way to go for Australia too, lots of greenbelt in between. When we get further out into the desert regions we could call them multifunction polis, more high rise and designed for tourists.

                Essentially, all the idea needs is fresh water, fast trains and political will.

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        BoyfromTottenham

        I think the government calls them ‘fast trains’, not ‘very fast trains’. Realistic I think!

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        Greebo

        Overcoming the tyranny of distance on this desert island has always been the problem

        I think water, or lack of it, might be a contributor as well.

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          el gordo

          A canal from Lake Argyle to the MDB would eliminate drought and make NSW a very attractive place, and the Bradfield Scheme in Queensland would serve the same purpose in that state.

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            Greebo

            Indeed. But Australia is far more than the MDB.

            Don’t get me wrong. I think piping water from where it’s generally wasted to where it could be used is a great idea. Piping water from Tassie to Vic could have saved us here in Vic $25 BILLION and counting for the Wonthaggi White Elephant. It’s staggering how resistant people are to ideas like this. Perhaps we’d be better off if we just let the Chinese buy the whole place. I mean, before the Beijing Olympics China didn’t have a VFT. Now their network is bigger than the rest of the world’s put together. No problems with unions ( or Greens ), I suspect.

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      Dennis

      There were dam construction sites identified and marked for development during the 1960s and 1970s in New South Wales during the Liberal-Nation State Government years commencing 1965, they were handed over to National Parks & Wildlife “for future generations” to lock the areas away from dam or any other development proposal by a Labor State Government early 1990s.

      Labor in Queensland attempted to lock northern rivers from development of dams, the so called Wild Rivers legislation. That legislation was overturned by the Liberal-National State Government of Queensland, Premier Campbell Newman supported by then Prime Minister Tony Abbott and the Federal Government he was leading.

      During the 2013 Federal Election campaign the Coalition Opposition had plans to extend the Western Australia Ord River Irrigation Area into the Northern Territory and North Queensland. The CSIRO has identified land about the area of Western Europe suitable for irrigation crops, just add water. Dams on the Wild Rivers, new towns and roads, airports, railway and a huge boost to the Australian economy during the development phase and beyond.

      It is unacceptable that our politicians have not proceeded with dam construction, or with new baseload power generators, while at the same time increasing immigration numbers with the Australian population rising to over 25 million in 2018, about double the population of 40 years ago. The same applies to other infrastructure neglected as the population increased with emphasis on cities.

      We need elected representatives working for Australia, not socialism masquerading as environmentalism (PM Abbott quote).

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      el gordo

      James there is talk that a new Bradfield Scheme is on the agenda and that its waters will refresh the MDB, but I have my doubts.

      https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2019/02/the-bradfield-scheme-reborn/

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        Bobl

        Malcolm Roberts and Pauline Hanson are behind this push, they want to drought proof the farmers. They also want water projects in WA ord extension and gascoyne for WA farming water.

        I support this 100%, this is what real nation building looks like.

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          el gordo

          A canal from Lake Argyle could drought proof western Queensland and the MDB.

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            Bill in Oz

            Bur RG all of central Australia drains into lake Eyre.
            That’s the way the geography is.
            Any pipe of canal would need to circle around that drainage basin to get to the MDB. That would make for a very long canal or pipe and a lot of pumping.

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              el gordo

              Run to the north of Lake Ayre. Where do you want the dams?

              https://www.virtualoceania.net/australia/maps/elevation.shtml

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                Bill in Oz

                I actually think the Bradfield Scheme is the way to go.
                Bradfield spent two years working on this in the early 1940′s.
                A real forgotten hero.

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                el gordo

                Roger Cooke wrote a submission for a federal government inquiry into the drought.

                ‘The proposal is to pipe water from the Kimberley to the MD Basin. This estimate is for an 1800hm pipeline with 15 to 20 pumping stations every 90 to 120 km. There will be multiple pipes required to convey at least 7000GL pa from possibly the Ord River to the upper reaches of the Darling.

                ‘Construction time (not including design and land acquisition time) could be less than 18 months as the pumping stations and pipes between them can be constructed concurrently.’

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    Lance

    Researchers believe they have found a treatment for atherosclerosis (artery hardening) and dementia.

    Minocycline or another PAR inhibitor stops hardening of arteries and
    some types of dementia.

    https://newatlas.com/artery-stiffening-calcium-minocycline-cambridge/60088

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      Bill in Oz

      Lance that’s an interesting story.

      But the key issue is that Calcium plaque is the human body’s way of repairing small breakages in the artery wall…And it is a second rate repair mechanism as it has significant downsides including heart attacks and death
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      Recent & older research suggests that this happens because we humans lack the capacity to produce our own vitamin C ( unlike most animals ) and are dependent of getting it from food. Cardio vascular disease only happens in animals which cannot make their own vitamin C.

      Why ? Because vitamin C provides access to a very effective internal, ongoing body repair process. Thus supplementation with larger doses of Vitamin C significantly helps with CVD. ( Lysine also helps.)
      Check out : chrome-extension://oemmndcbldboiebfnladdacbdfmadadm/https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/8f16/2551a4087f384f901f48ba50ef2dd94b93a8.pdf

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        Lance

        Thanks.

        I’m more interested in the dementia angle.
        My neighbor has dementia and it is very devastating to her and her family.

        Clinical trials underway for minocycline. 1 to 2 yrs for results. That would be too late for her.

        I take 500 mg of C every day. Because my wife makes me do it. :)

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          Bill in Oz

          Lance I take Lithium Oratate 5 mg tablets each day
          To prevent dementia.
          But it also assists those suffering from it by moderating the ‘symptoms’.
          Lithium oratate is as far as I know only available via online.And should NOT be confused with the 700-1100 mg Lithium only available via prescription for Bi-Polar disorder.

          My vitamin C intake varies. But I prefer the 1000 mg tablets from Faulding

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          BoyfromTottenham

          Lance – my understanding, from a recent ABC radio program (the Health Report?), is that researchers think dementia is (partly) caused or exacerbated by pulses of high blood pressure reaching the brain because the cranial arteries have hardened up. Normally, the wide sections of the cranial arteries act like a bellows to absorb these pulses before they reach the brain. They researched dementia sufferers in their 70s and whether they were diagnosed with high blood pressure in their 60s and found a high correlation. Ergo – if you are over 70 and didn’t have high blood pressure in your 60s then you may have a lower chance of dementia than otherwise. Lucky me!

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        joseph

        Bill,
        I’ve come across information that says a vitamin K2 deficiency is the cause of the buildup of calcium plaque and the resulting heart attacks. Without the K2 the calcium doesn’t behave as it should. I did a quick search and found this link. There’s a lot of good info.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-KGceRenn4

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          Bill in Oz

          Yea that is true Joseph
          Chronic deficiency of K2 leads to calcium being deposited in the arteries instead of the bones.
          I do take Vitamin K2 but also brie cheese.Lots of K2 in Brie !

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    James

    https://www.smh.com.au/education/vice-chancellor-s-lucrative-dealings-with-university-20190613-p51xaz.html

    Seems rather unethical to me to be borrowing from your employer then charging your employer a lot of money to use the property for entertaining!

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    James Radcliffe

    https://www.smh.com.au/education/vice-chancellor-s-lucrative-dealings-with-university-20190613-p51xaz.html

    Seems rather unethical to me to be borrowing from your employer then charging your employer a lot of money to use the property for entertaining!

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    el gordo

    Solar versus CO2, the situation should clarify eventually.

    ‘The evidence for the important role of solar activity is going to be reinforced by the below average solar activity of solar cycles 24 and 25. While CO2 is expected to continue increasing unabated over the next decades, solar activity should continue being reduced until around 2033, producing strikingly opposite predictions that should help clarify the issue.’

    Javier (Climate Etc)

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    Ross

    Another great Jones & Co show last night on Sky. Alan Jones absolutely skewered Karoly, in a response to Karoly’s attempted hit on Jones on a Sunday ABC program. Also they showed how inept the ABC with an attempted hit on Peta Credlin over her Adarni interview.

    If you missed it , it is worth looking at a replay.

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    RickWill

    I have been looking for further insight into the causes of dingbatitis that is prevalent in inner city dwellers.

    This paper identifies a correlation between elevation above ground level of an individual’s bedroom and cardio-vascular disease:
    https://www.hindawi.com/journals/jeph/2016/2951658/

    In this study, we found that floor level was positively associated with CVD history in adult inhabitants of Oslo.

    One aspect it raises is the static electric potential gradient with elevation. That got me looking into Earth’s static field and I found a Feynman lecture on that with an interesting insight I was not aware of:
    http://www.feynmanlectures.caltech.edu/II_09.html

    The strange part of the thing is that no matter where you measure the current—in the Atlantic Ocean, the Pacific Ocean, or the Arctic Ocean—it is at its peak value when the clocks in London say 7:00 p.m.!

    That got me to looking into the global incidence of lightning:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distribution_of_lightning#/media/File:Global_Lightning_Frequency.png
    As you can see, tropical Africa is the most significant source for recharging Earth’s battery.

    I am yet to confidently nail the cause/s of dingbatitis however the exploration is leading to interesting places.

    I wonder if a Liberal government would be interested in funding a study on the prevalence and causes of dingbatitis. Maybe it is due to the CO2 levels in inner cities:
    https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/early/2018/02/27/1702393115.full.pdf

    Temporal patterns of CO2 mole fractions have diel and seasonal components that reflect atmospheric mixing and emissions from both biological and anthropogenic sources. On diel timescales, the nighttime boundary layer is typically shallow, trapping emitted CO2 near the ground resulting in elevated CO2. After sunrise, daytime surface heating deepens the boundary layer, diluting surface emissions and entraining free tropospheric air with lower CO2. These processes, along with photosynthetic uptake by plants, lead to reduced daytime surface CO2 (33). On seasonal timescales, wintertime CO2 is elevated due to increased natural gas com- bustion (29, 31) and persistent cold-air pools that trap emissions near the surface (12, 29, 33).

    Dingbatitis may be directly related to the level of CO2 exposure!!

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      Annie

      London clocks at 7pm? Would that be Greenwich Mean Time or British Summer Time? Or even Double Summer Time as during the Second World War?
      :)

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      Hasbeen

      Perhaps we should reverse the current to those off shore wind farm windmills, & have them blow fresh ocean air into those high rise living areas, mostly in coastal cities, to cure the dingbatitis of our greenish brethren.

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        Greg in NZ

        Doubleplusgood! Having recently shifted from a two-storey house (built on an elevated tuff ring surrounding an old volcano lake/maar) to another two-storey house on a cliff overlooking the sea, my chances of contracting this dreaded dingbatitis are practically nil, zero, zilch – unlike those useful idiots who glue themselves to roads in busy city centres.

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          Another Ian

          ” my chances of contracting this dreaded dingbatitis are practically nil, zero, zilch – unlike those useful idiots who glue themselves to roads in busy city centres.”

          Wouldn’t it be more correct to infer that they have it already?

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      RickWill

      The linked article gives further insight into the nature of dingbatitis associated with inner city living:
      https://www.theepochtimes.com/how-living-in-a-city-can-mess-with-your-mental-health_2817742.html

      City living can also chip away at your psychological immune system, which can be precarious for those with a family history of mental illness. According to psychologists, this environmental stress can increase your risk of developing a psychiatric condition, such as anxiety, depression, or bipolar disorder.

      And more on CVD:

      Not only can city life affect our mental well-being, it can also affect our physical health as well. A 2017 study suggests too much exposure to air pollution and city noise may cause damage to a person’s cardiovascular health.

      Dingbatitis is an affliction in need of serious study. Fundamentally it erodes an individual’s mental capacity; the ability to think logically while experiencing constantly high level of anxiety. I am not certain that my label for dingbatitis, associated with inner city living, would meet the clinical definition of the affliction but most of the symptoms displayed by green voters fit the clinical description.

      An interesting course of examination would be the level and type of drug taking that green voters imbibe compared with say Liberal voters. Testing of waste water confirms Melbourne as the heroine capital of Australia and that might explain the high incidence of dingbatitis in Melbourne city (more than half vote green and the City Council has a green mayor):
      https://www.3aw.com.au/melbourne-is-the-heroin-capital-of-australia-wastewater-analysis-reveals/

      The Australian Criminal Intelligence Commission’s wastewater analysis found that heroin use in Australian capital cities is at the highest levels since monitoring began in August 2016.

      Next time you get into a discussion with a dingbat, discretely question them on their preference in drugs. My drug of choice is Pinot Gris in the white version and Merlot in the red. Although I am also partial to a fruity fortified Shiraz. So the questioning could start innocently on wine favourite then lead into theother drug varieties so it is not too obvious. Avoid making the statement- ” And what drug are you taking!” If you are talking to a dingbat that direct question/comment will raise their hackles and anxiety level – so be discreet; work up to the harder drugs.

      I might explore the herion and cocaine avenue over the next week. The bedroom height above ground elevation and low negative ion level are not well supported by the evidence.

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      Chad

      Dingbatitis may be directly related to the level of CO2 exposure!!

      I suspect there may also be a contageous source somewhere inside tthe CSIRO !

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      RickWill

      I noticed that the word “dingbatitis” is gaining a slight increase in use although it does not register on Google trends. Today it gets 4860 google page hits.

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      RickWill

      Found this recent report on wastewater analysis in Australia:
      https://www.acic.gov.au/sites/default/files/2019/06/nwdmp7_140619.pdf

      The charts beginning on page 28 that distinguishes city and country dwellers suggests that Cocaine and Herion have the strongest correlation to dingbatitis. Interestingly cannabis consumption, page 39, is negatively correlated, too chilled out to care.

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        RickWill

        This European study provides further evidence that dingbatitis and Cocaine consumption are positively correlated:
        http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/system/files/publications/2757/POD_Wastewater%20analysis_update2019.pdf

        The BE loads observed in wastewater indicate that cocaine use remains highest in western and southern European cities, in particular in cities in Belgium, the Netherlands, Spain and the United Kingdom.

        This additional link provides an interactive view of the situation in EU cities:
        http://www.emcdda.europa.eu/topics/pods/waste-water-analysis_en
        Note that there is hourly data for the past 8 years. It provides strong evidence that cocaine use has risen dramatically over that time, which suggests the incidence of dingbatitis is increasing quite dramatically.

        If you get into a discussion with a dingbat then be aware of the worst effects of Cocaine:

        Higher doses of cocaine can produce symptoms, including:

        anxiety
        sleep disorders
        paranoia
        tremors and muscle twitches
        nausea and vomiting
        rapid and weak pulse
        chest pain
        heart attack
        kidney failure
        hypothermia (low body temperature)
        seizures
        increased heart rate and body temperature
        brain haemorrhage
        stroke and convulsions.

        Even at low dosage, anxiety and paranoia are likely symptoms.

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        RickWill

        This New York study also supports the Cocaine-Dingbatitis connection:
        https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/20961790.2019.1609388?af=R
        Figure 2 informs that cocaine is the drug of choice in New York city.

        I found this description of cocaine addiction:

        Cocaine is an addictive drug that produces numerous psychiatric symptoms, syndromes, and disorders. The symptoms include agitation, paranoia, hallucinations, delusions, violence, as well as suicidal and homicidal thinking. They can be primary to the drug’s effect or secondary to exacerbation of comorbid psychiatric disorders.

        Notably dingbats are easily agitated; prone to paranoia and delusions as well as showing violent streaks when unable to logically support their delusion.

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        RickWill

        This report on the USA shows blue states are more drug addicted than red states:
        https://wallethub.com/edu/drug-use-by-state/35150/#red-vs-blue

        However the difference is not great according to the ranking method.

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    Chad

    The producers of Q&A and other ABC programms , seem to be “flicking the Bird “ at their new CEO (Ita) who, despite her retoric, high public profile, and admirable record, doesnt seem to be able to influence the blatant bias and political agenda ingrained into that corporation.
    Does she have the boorls to make an impact ?

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      Bill in Oz

      I wonder does she ever watch or listen ?
      Probably not !

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      el gordo

      I’m confident that Ita will bring the organisation back to the centre, gradually so that the public won’t notice.

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        Bill in Oz

        I doubt her capacity to do it E G.
        One lonely woman against the flocks of ABC Greenists ?
        Nahhh
        Sorry.

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        el gordo

        Ita was not a candidate for the position, she was a captain’s pick, so Morrison has chosen her for a reason. Don’t worry it’ll be ok, don’t want to frighten the sheepl with a revolution.

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          Bill in Oz

          The sheep need herding in to the shearing sheds
          By a . couple of hard working kelpies…
          And yes a kelpie could do a better job that
          Most of the current mob.

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            el gordo

            Its very important to bring Aunty back to the centre and explain that CO2 doesn’t cause global warming. After a period of social realignment we can casually dismantle the organisation.

            Ita can do this.

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    Travis T. Jones

    If only they had a carbon (sic) tax …

    Scientists show wolf head preserved in permafrost for 40,000 years

    https://www.euronews.com/2019/06/13/scientists-show-wolf-head-preserved-in-permafrost-for-40-000-years

    Frozen wolf’s head found in Siberia is 40,000 years old

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/13/frozen-wolfs-head-found-in-siberia-is-40000-years-old

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      theRealUniverse

      I saw somewhere, sorry no link, that Russians had revived YES REVIVED 40,000 year old nematode worms frozen in the tundra. They said they were feeding and moving. Now the the oldest living things. Amazing.

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      Graeme No.3

      Yes, the Steppe Wolf was about one third bigger than modern day wolves. The Cave Hyena of those days was also about one third bigger than modern hyenas. Curiously neither species has been listed as becoming extinct due to early man.
      That idea that early humans wiped out the megafauna must itself be facing extinction. Its politically correct message won’t hold up when the other politically correct message about australian aborigines being in Australia for around 60,000 years is examined. Since that was 45,000 years before the megafauna went extinct, and that the die off coincided with sudden warming, we can guess that the extinction will shortly be blamed on global warming.

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    Greg in NZ

    It’s supposed to be about burning and frying and sizzling in a man-made hellfire, isn’t it? Wasn’t it? Where’s this promised and/or threatened catastrophic runaway anthropogenic pyromania – better known as C.R.A.P. – when you need it? Minimum overnight (morning) temps via BoM:

    -0.7˚C Applethorpe, QLD
    -1.4˚C Salmon Gums, WA
    -5.7˚C Cooma Airport, ACT
    -7.5˚C Snowy Mountains, NSW

    We have a similar situation here where, even though that ‘devil’ trace gas of life is rising, when there’s no clouds at night the temperature plummets below freezing:

    -3.4˚C Christchurch
    -4.0˚C Dunedin
    -7.0˚C Hermitage & Pukaki Airport

    A particularly chilly night for most of the country

    https://home.nzcity.co.nz/news/article.aspx?id=292352

    For some reason, doomsday cult-like beliefs held by Warmists And Climate Kook Occultists – better known as W.A.C.K.O.s – simply don’t hold up in winter. Carbon dioxide – where is thy sting!

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    Zane

    It’s rather chilly in Victoria this morning. 5 degrees. Looks like the heat is hiding in the deep oceans…

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      Annie

      Min here in Nth Central Vic today was 0C at 0725. Max of 10C early afternoon. Cold wind all day with sun and occasional slight drizzle. Warm woollies and scarves to the fore…

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      James Murphy

      The heat can’t get past the the Victorian Premier. It takes a while to permeate through extremely dense objects.

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    pat

    Brisbane protesters lock themselves to CBD crossing
    Courier-Mail – 18 Jun 2019
    Insp Acreman said the pair ***had not committed a crime but caused a public nuisance and failed to comply with police direction to leave the scene…

    LegalAidQld: Breaking the law in a public place
    You’re breaking the law if you:
    •commit a public nuisance offence—this includes behaviour that’s offensive, disorderly, threatening, violent or if what you’re doing interferes with someone else moving through, or peacefully being in and enjoying a public place…ETC
    The police can give you an on-the-spot fine for public nuisance offences. There’s no conviction recorded for an on-the-spot fine, but the police will keep a record of it having been issued that could later be used in court.
    Alternatively, police can arrest and charge you with a public nusiance offence and you must go to Court. If you’re charged with one of these offences, you should get legal advice…

    Being moved on
    A police officer may tell you to leave a public place or a regulated place and not return within a reasonable time (no more than 24 hours) if they reasonably suspect that:
    •your presence or behaviour is causing anxiety to someone (and that anxiety is reasonable in the circumstances )
    •your presence or behaviour is interfering with trade or business, by getting in the way of people entering or leaving a place…
    If a police officer asks you to leave—you should do so. If you don’t comply you may be breaking the law by contravening a direction or requirement of police…
    http://www.legalaid.qld.gov.au/Find-legal-information/Criminal-justice/Offences/Breaking-the-law-in-a-public-place

    25 May: BBC: Extinction Rebellion: Met wants 1,130 climate protesters charged
    So far more than 70 activists have been charged in connection with the demonstrations that brought parts of central London to a standstill…
    Deputy Assistant Commissioner Laurence Taylor said the Met wanted to deter other groups employing similar tactics.
    The group’s tactics included asking volunteers to deliberately get arrested to cause maximum disruption at roadblocks on Waterloo Bridge, Oxford Circus and Marble Arch…
    Other protesters glued themselves to trains and buildings…
    He said the force was in discussions with the Home Office to review the current Public Order legislation with fears Extinction Rebellion’s tactics could be adopted by other groups…

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      pat

      behind paywall. ***why first write “three journalists”, and then say they were working “as Greenpeace photographers”? the piece should begin with “Three Greenpeace photographers”. period:

      18 Jun: UK Times: Greenpeace photographers arrested in Vorlich oil rig protest
      by Emma Yeomans
      ***Three journalists were arrested and held by police while covering Greenpeace’s occupation of an oil rig.
      The men, working as Greenpeace photographers, said that they were held overnight and that their equipment had been kept by the police.
      Fourteen people have been arrested after protesters scaled a Transocean rig headed for the Vorlich oil field…
      (FOLLOWED BY “100% RENEWABLES” PROPAGANDA FROM GREENPEACE)
      https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/4d570014-9148-11e9-b2d4-5918cdd6778e

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        pat

        full of CAGW propaganda, PR for XR and pics:

        17 Jun: BBC: Arrests after climate activists block Edinburgh roads
        PIC: Climate change protestors lay down in the road with their arms chained together on Lothian Road
        Climate change campaigners have been arrested after closing off several major roads in Edinburgh city centre as part of a week-long protest.
        Police said 13 arrests were made in total on Monday, including six people blocked Lothian Road.
        Another six activists were arrested in the Lothian Road area. A thirteenth person was arrested on High Street.
        The road blocks are part of “direct action” by Extinction Rebellion Scotland…

        North Bridge and George IV Bridge were also affected, with city bus services delayed and diverted. Officers urged motorists to avoid the area…
        The group blocked a number of roads in Edinburgh city centre at the beginning of rush hour on Tuesday, causing major disruption to traffic.
        Lothian Buses said there were “long delays throughout the city” after activists lay down on Lothian Road with their arms chained together…
        https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-48660006

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          pat

          BBC link posted has pics of the “biggest ever” camp.
          below: 20sec video of the “biggest ever” XR protest?
          FakeNewsMSM simply repeats the claim, ignoring the evidence which shows otherwise:

          18 Jun: Scotsman: Edinburgh commuters face week of chaos as Extinction Rebellion plan further protests
          by Jacob Farr and Andy Shipley
          Reaction to the protest over emissions targets was mixed as some came out of their places of work in support while others vented their frustrations over the disruption.
          Silvia Gatti, 23, said: “I have a lot of guilt because I have to work, so I am coming along today to try to show my support. I feel we should embrace the protestors.”

          But Peter Cruikshank, 22, from Bruntsfield said: “It’s a total nightmare. There’s so much hypocrisy as they’re handing out leaflets and keeping traffic waiting which just makes it even worse.
          “We thought it was a more serious incident with all of the police here. It all seems a tad too much.”…

          Innis and Gunn Brewery Taproom manager Joe Marshall, 25, said: “No one could cross past either side of the venue.
          “So it obviously impacted customers and bookings. I support the cause like but that road is one of the main roads used by emergency services…
          The group says its “Holyrood Rebel Camp” was its “biggest ever gathering” and would remain on the site until Thursday…

          The Evening News was told by a police source that everything from murder investigations, major drug operations and witness protection have been hampered as officers are reassigned to the protests.
          “It’s constantly robbing Peter to pay Paul,” added the insider…
          https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/edinburgh-commuters-face-week-of-chaos-as-extinction-rebellion-plan-further-protests-1-4948980

          Times concerned for the poor protester:

          18 Jun: UK Times: Mike Wade: Edinburgh climate protest halts rush-hour traffic in call for ‘radical’ reform
          An action on George IV Bridge was blocked by police, who wrestled one demonstrator to the ground as he tried to carry a banner into the carriageway. “The police have a job to do but that was awful,” the man, a former oil worker who asked not to be identified, said. “The guy was about 17st, I’m 67, we’re non-violent and he hauled me down.”…
          https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a276c9e0-9147-11e9-b2d4-5918cdd6778e

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        James Murphy

        Glad to see some media coverage of this. I have been waiting for this Vorlich drilling programme to kick off… needless to say the people on the rig are… not amused.

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    Zane

    The Guardian once again leading the Charge of the Climate Emergency Brigade. This morning it’s Arctic permafrost melting 70 years too soon! Gottdammerung! Didn’t the permafrost get the memo! No premature thawing allowed! Non nein nyet no no no! No doubt this thawing will release trapped CO2. We’re doomed!

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    pat

    Leigh Sales’s intro has no connection to the actual interview with Ken Henry. you would think she’d at least ask Henry how this cheaper power would be achieved?

    VIDEO: 8min38sec: 18 Jun: ABC 7.30 Report: Australia warned of drifting into economic decline
    TRANSCRIPT:
    LEIGH SALES, PRESENTER: Fifty of the nation’s senior leaders in business, academia and the non-government sector have joined with the CSIRO to warn that Australia will drift into a future of economic decline unless it takes decisive action on crucial issues.
    The report looks at two scenarios, one if the country stays on current policy settings and one if it takes a more ambitious track…
    If the nation adopts new technology, trains workers to have more skills and supports growth industries such as high-tech manufacturing, the report predicts economic growth of almost 3 per cent a year with wages to grow by 90 per cent by 2060.
    During the same period, if our energy policy stays the same, ***power usage is predicted to increase by more than 60 per cent with power almost 40 per cent cheaper.
    But if Australia invests in high-tech energy sources such as hydrogen and aims for greater energy efficiency, ***energy use will increase almost 30 per cent but with power more than 60 per cent cheaper…
    LEIGH SALES: The challenges identified by the report are the rise of Asia, rapid technological change, climate change and the environment ETC…

    DR KEN HENRY, ECONOMIST: (SAYS NOTHING WHATSOEVER ABOUT ANY OF THE ABOVE)
    https://www.abc.net.au/7.30/australia-warned-of-drifting-into-economic-decline/11222650

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    full of contradictions:

    18 Jun: UK Times: Scotland faces hard energy choices
    by Greig Cameron
    PIC: (Wind “farm”) Scotland will need to double its capacity for generating electricity as electric vehicles and district heating systems drive up demand.
    People living in Scotland will have to pay more for their energy and will be urged to use less of it in the coming years, according to experts.
    There were also warnings of hard choices ahead to ensure the lights stayed on, with a potential shortfall of electricity from 2030 and pressure to meet emissions reduction targets.

    The report, Scotland’s Energy Future, which was compiled by the Royal Society of Edinburgh (RSE), was published in the capital yesterday.
    It recommends the creation of an independent Scottish energy commission to scrutinise policy and make long-term recommendations…

    The report’s authors concluded that no single technological solution would meet the country’s future needs but huge amounts of investment would be needed over the next few decades as part of the transition to a lower carbon economy…

    Moves towards the wider adoption of electric vehicles and district heating systems may drive up demand for electricity, it said. This would also require Scotland to more than double its capacity for generating electricity and to build a new charging infrastructure…
    Key recommendations (includes): Reduce demand for energy and enforce higher standards of energy efficiency in new housing and infrastructure…
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/90d30ef4-9149-11e9-b2d4-5918cdd6778e

    17 Jun: Royal Society of Edinburgh: RSE Inquiry: Scotland’s Energy Future – June 2019
    Read full Report (LINK 124-PAGE REPORT)
    https://www.rse.org.uk/rse-inquiry-scotlands-energy-future-june-2019/

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    Hanrahan

    Angela Merkel not well?

    She was shaking uncontrollably during the anthems were being played when meeting the Ukraine’s president. She blamed dehydration.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7154083/Fears-Angela-Merkels-health-seen-violently-shaking-minute-Berlin.html

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    for the non-subscribing children – open access at UK Tele. don’t know why it’s written by a “health editor”:

    17 Jun: UK Telegraph: Boaty McBoatface makes major climate change discovery on maiden outing
    By Laura Donnelly, Health Editor
    Boaty McBoatface’s maiden outing has made a major discovery about how climate change is causing rising sea levels. Scientists say that data collected from the yellow submarines’s first expedition will help them build more accurate predictions in order to combat the problem.
    The mission has uncovered a key process linking increasing Antarctic winds to higher sea temperatures, which in turn is fuelling increasing levels.
    Researchers found that the increasing winds are cooling water on the bottom of the ocean, forcing it to travel faster, creating turbulance as it mixed with warmer waters above.

    Experts said the mechanism has not been factored into current models for predicting the impact of increasing global temperatures on our oceans, meaning forecasts should be altered.
    Boaty McBoatface – the publicly named robotic submersible carried on the research vessel RRS Sir David Attenborough – took its first expedition in April 2017, studying the bottom of the Southern Ocean…

    In recent decades, winds blowing over the Southern Ocean have been getting stronger due to the hole in the ozone layer above Antarctica and increasing greenhouse gases…
    The mission was part of a project involving the University of Southampton, the National Oceanography Centre, the British Antarctic Survey, Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution and Princeton University…
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/06/17/boaty-mcboatface-makes-major-climate-change-discovery-maiden/

    18 Jun: PNAS: Rapid mixing and exchange of deep-ocean waters in an abyssal boundary current
    https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2019/06/17/1904087116

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      yarpos

      don’t know why it’s written by a “health editor”

      much of so called journalism seems to be non critical cut and paste these days, so your presumed specialty doesnt matter that much

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    18 Jun: ClimateNewsNetwork: Paris treaty would cut US heat peril
    by Tim Radford
    Even in rich, air-conditioned America, people die in extreme heat. This US heat peril means more will die. Political decisions will decide how many more.
    LONDON, 18 June, 2019 − British scientists have identified a way in which President Trump could save thousands of American lives from the US heat peril. All he needs to do is honour the Paris Agreement of 2015 to keep global warming to “well below” 2°C above the planetary average that has endured for most of human history.
    If the global thermometer is kept at the lowest possible level of a rise of 1.5°C – rather than the average rise of 3°C of human-triggered heating that the planet seems on course to experience by the end of the century − then this simple decision would prevent up to 2,720 extra deaths in any city that experienced the kind of potentially-deadly heatwave that comes along every thirty years or so, according to a new study in the journal Scientific Advances (LINK)…

    US scientists recently numbered 27 ways in which extremes of heat could claim lives (LINK) and some of these are likely to apply to cities in the normally cooler parts of the globe…
    https://climatenewsnetwork.net/paris-treaty-would-cut-us-heat-peril/

    5 Jun: Science Advances: Increasing mitigation ambition to meet the Paris Agreement’s temperature goal avoids substantial heat-related mortality in U.S. cities
    Acknowledgments: We thank K. Haustein for the RCP weighting for the HAPPI 3°C experiment. We would like to thank our colleagues at the Oxford e-Research Centre: A. Bowery, M. Rashid, S. Li, and D. Wallom for technical expertise. We would like to thank the Met Office Hadley Centre PRECIS team for technical and scientific support for the development and application of weather@home. Last, we would like to thank all of the volunteers who have donated their computing time to climateprediction.net and weather@home. Funding: Y.T.E.L. was funded by the Union of Concerned Scientists and the Cabot Institute. D.M.M. was supported by the NERC Independent Research Fellowship (grant ID: NE/N014057/1). A.G., A.M.V.-C., and F.S. were supported by Natural Environment Research Council UK (grant ID: NE/R009384/1) and Medical Research Council UK (grant ID: MR/M022625/1). Author contributions: Y.T.E.L. did the analyses and wrote the manuscript. D.M.M. and P.C.F. conceived the research question. Y.T.E.L., D.M.M., A.G., and A.M.V.-C. designed the experiment. F.S. provided relevant data from the NMMAPS. W.R., S.S., and P.U. facilitated the creation and simulation of HAPPI3.0 on the weather@home platform. All authors reviewed the manuscript. Competing interests: The authors declare that they have no competing interests…
    https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/5/6/eaau4373

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    19 Jun: Guardian: Stricken polar bear turns up in Siberian city, hundreds of miles from home
    Staff and agencies in Moscow; This report contains material from Reuters and Agence France-Presse.
    Visibly weak female bear spotted in Norilsk in northern Siberia
    Climate emergency has damaged polar bears’ sea-ice habitats
    The climate crisis has been damaging polar bears’ sea-ice habitats and forced them to scavenge more for food on land, bringing them into contact with people and inhabited areas.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/18/polar-bear-russia-siberia-norilsk-climate-crisis

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    pat

    MSM has been trying to make a link between these whale deaths and CAGW, but no proof to date:

    10 Jun: KTOO: Could Arctic warming be behind gray whale deaths in Alaska, and elsewhere? Here’s why scientists are asking.
    By Nat Herz, Alaska’s Energy Desk
    Scientists say it will probably be a long time before they can confidently explain the spike in gray whale deaths along the Pacific Coast, including in Alaska…
    Scientists haven’t ruled out an outbreak of disease, and they’re also looking at how the whales’ steadily increasing population might play a role. But warming oceans are definitely one possible explanation.
    Or, they could be complicating or exacerbating another phenomenon, said ***John Calambokidis, a research biologist and whale expert at the Washington-based Cascadia Research Collective. Arctic warming alone doesn’t seem like a perfect explanation, he said, since warmer conditions have occurred over several years and the spike in deaths only began this spring.
    “It doesn’t hold water as the sole factor. That doesn’t mean it might not have some role,” Calambokidis said. “I’m totally supportive of this as a key issue that we need to pay attention to. Because it has huge implications.”…
    https://www.ktoo.org/2019/06/10/could-arctic-warming-be-behind-gray-whale-deaths-in-alaska-and-elsewhere-heres-why-scientists-are-asking/

    ABC has ***John Calambokidis, but uses Darren Kindleysides to blame warming waters; in fact, the segment seems to be all about allowing Kindleysides to make his statement:

    2min40sec in:
    AUDIO: 3min26sec: 18 Jun: ABC The World Today: Whale food shortage to blame for mass deaths in US
    By Isobel Roe on The World Today
    Researchers working in the area now believe they know why it’s happening.
    Guests:
    ***John Calambokidis, Cascadia Research Biologist in Washingston
    Janine Boire, Executive Director Port Townsend Marine Science Centre
    ***Darren Kindleysides, Chief Executive Australian Marine Conservation Society
    https://www.abc.net.au/radio/adelaide/programs/worldtoday/whale-food-shortage-to-blame-for-mass-deaths-in-us/11220720

    from The Log, California’s Boating and Fishing News:

    17 Jun: TheLog: Feds to investigate spike in gray whale deaths on West Coast
    SEATTLE (LOG NEWS SERVICE) — About 70 whales have been found dead so far this year on the coasts of California, Oregon, Washington and Alaska, the most since 2000. About five more have been discovered on British Columbia beaches. That’s a very small fraction of the total number of whales believed to have died, because most simply sink and others wash up in such remote areas they’re not recorded.
    NOAA Fisheries declared the die-off an “unusual mortality event,” providing additional resources to respond to the deaths and triggering the investigation.

    The eastern North Pacific gray whales were removed from the endangered species list in 1994.
    The population has grown significantly in the last decade and is now estimated at 27,000 – the highest since surveys began in 1967. That has raised questions about whether their population has reached the limit of what the environment can sustain…
    In an average year, about 35 whales wash up in the U.S…

    John Calambokidis – a research biologist with the Cascadia Research
    Collective a non-profit Washington State corporation which has conducted scientific research in the fields of marine mammal and bird biology for the past 39 years – noted as the whales search farther afield for food, they’ve entered areas where they’re not normally seen so often, including San Francisco Bay and Puget Sound. That puts them at higher risk of being struck by ships or entangled in fishing gear.
    Four of the 10 gray whales found dead near San Francisco this year were struck by ships, and a number of shipping companies have slowed their vessels in the area to avoid collisions…
    https://www.thelog.com/snw/feds-to-investigate-spike-in-gray-whale-deaths-on-west-coast/

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      pat

      ***seems like people are locating carcasses in more remote locations these days, which probably accounts for some of the increase in numbers:

      16 Jun: DaytonDailyNews: 260-plus bottlenose dolphins dead in strandings from Florida to Louisiana
      by Shelby Lin Erdman, Cox Media
      More than 260 bottlenose dolphins have died in a series of strandings up and down the Gulf Coast from the Florida Panhandle to Louisiana since January, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.
      The numbers are three times higher than normal, NOAA officials said, and they have now opened an investigation into what the agency calls an unusual mortality event.

      “It is too early to determine any potential causes of the UME. Many of the dolphins recovered are very decomposed, limiting the ability to collect samples to determine cause of illness or death,” NOAA said on its website (LINK).

      Also contributing to the problem of pinpointing a cause for the dolphins deaths is the fact that a number have stranded ***in remote locations, making it difficult to examine or recover the carcasses for testing…

      Investigators are looking into a range of potential reasons for the dolphin strandings, including too much freshwater spilling into the Gulf from a wet winter, problems with the animals’ food supply and even a lingering impact from the widespread 2010 Deepwater Horizon oil spill…
      https://www.daytondailynews.com/news/national/260-plus-bottlenose-dolphins-dead-strandings-from-florida-louisiana/J6Fyg91pVgmQn5NuwT87VL/

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      yarpos

      There is a great video on Youtube from the 1970s of a coastal town dealing with a whale carcass on the beach. After due consideration , and being Murica! and all they decided the obvious thing to do was to blow it up. Of course the event drew a crowd and of course they used too much explosive.

      The seconds after the explosion are funny with people running and shrieking as pieces of blubber rain from the sky. The are some scenes of the aftermath with one car in the parking lot recieving a slab of blubber 100kg + (guessing) on the boot and through the back window.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVVW8BferzQ

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    Peter Fitzroy

    The BOM is now using the term ‘frost hollow’ to discount low temp readings at AWS sites like airports. The logic is that these sites are not representative as they are sited where cold air drainage artificially lowers the minimum temp. This is an old story, but I’ve not seen it debated here.

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    pat

    behind paywall:

    New York to Approve One of the World’s Most Ambitious Climate Plans
    International-The New York Times – 5 hours ago
    The state would pledge to eliminate net greenhouse gas emissions by 2050, with all its electricity coming from carbon-free sources…

    18 Jun: NY Post editorial: A bogus climate-change law from New York’s cynical leaders
    New York’s leaders seem determined to make this year’s end-of-session legislating the ugliest ever. The latest example: The Climate and Community Protection Act.
    The act sets ambitious goals for eliminating greenhouse-gas emissions and transitioning to “clean” energy. Lawmakers and Gov. Andrew Cuomo reached a deal on it this week — then opted to skip the usually required step of having it “age” three days to give lawmakers a chance to read and consider it.
    Instead, they asked Cuomo to simply issue a totally unnecessary “message of necessity,” to let the bill go through without deliberation.

    Smart move, since the CCPA sets up mysterious means to impossible goals.
    It “requires” the state to end nearly all manmade greenhouse gas emissions (from cars, power plants, factories) by 2050. And to reach 100% “clean” electricity by 2040. But it leaves implementing all that to state agencies, with no guidelines on cost-benefit tradeoffs or anything else.
    Well, one guideline: The CCPA requires state-funding “green jobs” to pay union wages. That’ll save the climate!…READ ON
    https://nypost.com/2019/06/18/a-bogus-climate-change-law-from-new-yorks-cynical-leaders/

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    pat

    an ongoing concern for the construction industry, but not getting wide media coverage. what if the use of this cladding is partly a result of CAGW policies?

    Jobs at risk after no action on looming certifier shortage
    Gold Coast Bulletin-16 hours ago
    TWO of Queensland’s biggest developers are furious with the State Government’s handling of the insurance cladding crisis, saying it will delay big projects…

    7 Jun: SubbiesUnited: from Courier Mail: Cladding insurance issue sends building certifiers to the brink
    A senior State Government minister has given a dire warning about Queensland’s construction sector if building certifiers cannot obtain this necessary insurance to do their jobs.
    by Glen Norris
    QUEENSLAND’S $50 billion construction industry could come to a standstill if a public indemnity insurance crisis sparked by the combustible cladding issue was not resolved.
    The warning comes from Housing and Public Works Minister Mick De Brenni who said the state’s 400 private building certifiers were finding it increasingly difficultto obtain the necessary public indemnity insurance to sign off on building obtaining cladding.
    “If there is not certainty soon buildings will not be occupied and construction will come to a standstill,” Mr De Brenni said. “We are in danger of seeing an entire profession (certifiers) wiped out.”

    He said a national response was needed to the crisis with the last insurer offering exclusion free insurance not accepting policies after July 2. Insurers were not prepared to insure against the risk of a fire where cladding was present…
    Mr De Brenni noted that a landmark decision by the Victoria Civil and Administrative Tribunal (VCAT) this year into liability for the Lacrosse building fire in Melbourne where cladding was present had apportioned most of the blame on the building certifier…(LINK)
    https://subbiesunited.com.au/cladding-insurance-issue-sends-building-certifiers-to-the-brink/

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      Greg in NZ

      https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/389826/aotea-centre-faces-delays-and-cost-overruns-replacing-cladding

      22 May 2019: “Auckland Council said the centre’s refurbishment will cost an extra $14 million and be delayed by a year, as builders replace cladding midway through the project… SkyCity is also replacing cladding at the international convention centre being built in Auckland”. You’d think project managers or architects or CEOs or mayors would, like, talk about these things before construction, no?

      Why do a job once when you can do it twice – thrice! – and profit 2 or 3 times over.

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      Bill in Oz

      Now why would any insurance company offer a policy on the professional work of people who ‘certify’ the ‘safety of buildings which are patently fire traps when covered in cladding which is flammable ?

      I wouldn’t.

      This is a major cock up.

      The real question is who permitted or authorised, these buildings to be built with flammable cladding ?

      Was it state governments motivated by the “Need” to insulate to cut down Gore Bull omissions ?

      Was it builders being coy about dangerous building practices driven by the need for cheap builds ?

      Wa it local authorities waving them through because they want to foster the development of low cost high rises so as to gain the huge increases in rates they bring ?

      Whoever it was will probably vary from state to state. And only time will tell us.

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    Travis T. Jones

    DAVID KAROLY, abc Q&A, 17 June, 2019:

    “I AM a climate scientist, and Alan Jones is wrong.

    … essentially the carbon dioxide concentration now – is 400 parts per million.
    And this was the one thing he was reasonably accurate on – that that corresponds to…about 0.04% of the whole of the atmosphere is made up of carbon dioxide.

    All his other numbers were wrong.”

    https://www.abc.net.au/qanda/2019-17-06/11191192

    Whoa! Wait. What?

    From: David Karoly
    Date: Thu, 26 May 2011

    “Thanks for the opportunity to participate in the Alan Jones show yesterday morning.

    First, the podcast link for my interview labels me as a climate change advocate.
    That is a mistake. I do not advocate for climate change. I am a climate change scientist. Please change that on the web site.

    Second, I made a mistake and Alan Jones made a mistake with the maths that he did quickly at the start of the interview.
    He correctly said that CO2 is 0.04% of the atmosphere.
    He correctly said that human emissions of CO2 are about 3% of the annual fluxes of CO2 into the atmosphere.
    He correctly said that Australian emissions are about 1.5% of the 3%, or about 0.045% of the total annual production of CO2 going into or out of the atmosphere.
    He then made a series of mistakes.”

    http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/1116_karoly.pdf

    Karoly should issue an apology.

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      theRealUniverse

      OK Koroly, “He then made a series of mistakes.” so the so called ‘mistakes‘ Alan J refereed to have been TOTALLY backed up my PROFESSOR Nils Axis-Morner, more of an expert than you who actually was on the IPCC panel and was disgusted by the political agenda and grossly incorrect science it portrayed.

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    paul

    noticed ABC went big on coverage of argentinian blackout

    obviously wanted to plant the seed in the mind of their followers of it being an interconnector failure.

    I dont know what caused it but interconnector failures are usually the grid protecting itself

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      theRealUniverse

      From what Ive read it looks very suspicious that a certain organization in a country north of Mexico has been hacking electric grids around the planet.

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    transcript is up:

    17 Jun: ABC: Q&A Science Special
    TONY JONES: Brian, is that the kind of fear that scientists have now? I mean, we’ve seen the UN report on mass extinction. Australia is particularly vulnerable, according to our questioner.
    BRIAN COX, PARTICLE PHYSICIST: Yeah, and I think that’s the key point, that it’s not… I mean, there are long-term climate cycles, as you said, but it’s the pace of change, I think, is what worries the professionals. And I get the sense, in the last few years, that the pace has taken people by surprise. So, it’s actually rather worse, I think, and faster than many of the climate models have suggested a few years ago…

    DAVID KAROLY, INTERNATIONAL CLIMATE EXPERT:…If you’re in Australia and you’re on the southern coast, there’s not much land until you get to Antarctica, and most of the plants and very few of the animals can actually swim that far. So, we’re talking about break-up of the landscape corridors that would allow movement of animals, movement of plants, that would allow the connectivity to move southward into cooler environments. That’s a critical factor. For people, we can move. But, certainly, there’s at least one – probably more – climate scientists in Europe that have said that the long-term sustainable population of people on the Earth is about 1 billion people in 2100 – not the foreshadowed United Nations population estimates of about 10 to 12 billion people. That’s not good news…

    DAVID KAROLY: I AM a climate scientist, and Alan Jones is wrong. And the reason he’s wrong is that, we know that, yes, the greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere – essentially the carbon dioxide concentration now – is 400 parts per million. And this was the one thing he was reasonably accurate on – that that corresponds to…about 0.04% of the whole of the atmosphere is made up of carbon dioxide. All his other numbers were wrong. Because we know that that carbon dioxide concentration, 100 years ago, was about 280 parts per million, or 0.028%. But it’s gone from 280 parts per million to 400 parts per million. It’s grown 120 parts per million, or about 40%, and that 40% increase is due to human activity. We know that for absolute certain. So, he’s wrong about only 3% due to human activity. It’s 40%. And of that 40%, he’s right – Australians have contributed about 1.5%. Now, that sounds like a small amount, but, actually, Australia only makes up 0.3% of the global population, and we’re contributing 1.5%, roughly, of the increase in greenhouse gases. So, is it fair that 0.3% of the global population has contributed 1.5%? We’ve contributed much more than our fair share, if it was equally distributed around the world, emissions of greenhouse gases, contributing to this global warming increase in carbon dioxide in the atmosphere…
    https://www.abc.net.au/qanda/2019-17-06/11191192

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      Another Ian

      ” I AM a climate scientist, ”

      Seems ripe for a reworking of G & S’s “I am the very model of a modern major general”

      https://genius.com/Gilbert-and-sullivan-i-am-the-very-model-of-a-modern-major-general-annotated

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      theRealUniverse

      COX, KAROLOY = liars, Both totally wrong. see my comment #27.1

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      Maptram

      David Karoly and his fellow Climate Scientists seem to believe climate models that say if CO2 exceeds so many ppm, temperatures will increase by 2°C everywhere and all sorts of dire consequences will arise. Animals would have to move south to cooler climates. As quoted below, Karoly believes animals and plants on the southern coast have nowhere to go.

      “If you’re in Australia and you’re on the southern coast, there’s not much land until you get to Antarctica, and most of the plants and very few of the animals can actually swim that far. So, we’re talking about break-up of the landscape corridors that would allow movement of animals, movement of plants, that would allow the connectivity to move southward into cooler environments.”

      Karoly and his colleagues forget that climate is made up of more than temperature. We see it every day in forecasts and actuals. One day forecasts 0°C min 12°C max, next day -1°C min 13°C max, next day 0°C min 14°C and actuals that are consistent with the forecasts. In other words, there is more to climate then temperature.

      I remember a theory a few years ago that, with a warming climate, cane toads would be able to move further south, not as Karoly would have us believe, to escape the heat but to expand their territory. Perhaps the cane toads are smarter than Karoly.

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    el gordo

    German hypocrisy, most don’t care about their carbon footprints.

    http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-06/18/c_138153926.htm

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    Another Ian

    “Reducing GHG emissions is abstract, reducing comfort levels is not, and don’t even think about the latter”

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/index.php/2019/06/19/june-19-2019-reader-tips/

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    Graeme#4

    Just watched a segment on Chernobyl death figures on the Bolt Report. At one extreme we have Dr Helen Caldicott claiming one million deaths. Bolt talked to Dr Dale who treated the Chernobyl victims, and who advised that around 200 were affected with only 33 deaths, of which only 13 could be definitely attributed to radiation. Dr Dale also said that there is no medical evidence of increased general health issues due to radiation.

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      Hanrahan

      Among other things he said it was hard to differentiate radiation disease from alcoholism. But that’s what gets Russia into trouble in the first place.

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    pat

    19 Jun: AFR: AGL, Origin pour cold water on hopes for lower prices
    by Angela Macdonald-Smith
    Australia’s two biggest electricity and gas suppliers have given a bleak assessment of the prospects for reining in energy prices, citing insufficient investment in new supply, delays in renewables projects and uncertainty on federal government energy policy and market intervention.
    Senior executives from both AGL Energy and Origin Energy told the Credit Suisse Australian Energy Conference on Wednesday of multiple obstacles that stood in the way of reducing prices for power and gas to the extent desired by politicians and customers.

    The advice comes as the country heads towards another tight summer in the electricity market, with no new generation capacity having been added apart from wind and solar, and with a major failure at a unit at AGL’s Loy Yang A plant that is expected to take until mid-December to repair…

    (AGL’s head of wholesale markets Richard Wrightson) told the conference earlier that despite the influx of wind and solar capacity coming on line, renewables alone won’t have a material impact on electricity prices because of the impact of increased volatility in the grid.
    That means that investing in renewables won’t bring down prices to the extent that government and customers are demanding without investment also being made in “firming” capacity such as gas, coal or pumped hydro, for example, Mr Wrightson said…

    Delays in new renewables projects caused by extra technical demands being placed on new wind and solar plants to keep the grid stable were also contributing to high wholesale prices, as were other factors such as drought and coal delivery issues, said Origin’s executive general manager, energy supply and operations Greg Jarvis…READ ON
    https://www.afr.com/business/energy/agl-origin-pour-cold-water-on-hopes-for-lower-prices-20190618-p51z0d

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    pat

    climate-shaming:

    19 Jun: ClimateChangeNews: Merkel, fallen climate chancellor, has a chance to save her legacy
    This week’s European Council meeting is Germany’s moment to clean up a tarnished reputation, writes a former UN climate chief
    By Yvo de Boer
    (Yvo de Boer is president of Gold Standard. He was executive secretary of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) from 2006-2010)
    Last but not least, Germany has led at home. Reaching strong agreements with domestic industry, launching a massive energy transition and plastering the rural landscape with solar panels. Similarly Germany has been key in agreeing European goals, not just on emissions, but also on the circular economy and the need to fundamentally shift Europe’s business model to be clean, clever and competitive…

    But as international momentum accelerated – Germany took its foot off the gas and kept burning coal…

    At a time when one is hard pressed to find a solid argument not to act on climate change, be it economic, social or environmental, we need rigour and consistency to bring us all, and especially business, what is needed most: consistent ambition.
    https://climatechangenews.com/2019/06/19/merkel-fallen-climate-chancellor-chance-save-legacy/

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    pat

    who cares what King thinks, except The Guardian:

    18 Jun: Guardian: Ex-chief scientist fears for UK climate plan if Boris Johnson is PM
    Prof David King says would-be PM oversaw ‘devastating’ cuts in efforts to tackle crisis
    by Matthew Weaver
    He said: “During his time in the Foreign Office, Boris Johnson never made a speech on climate change … There was a contrast between Johnson’s farewell speech to me and his action. I really tried to encourage him to make speeches on climate change and it never transpired.”

    Asked if he was worried by Johnson’s friendship with the climate denier Donald Trump, King said: “Aren’t we all? It’s extremely concerning.”…
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/18/ex-chief-scientist-fears-for-uk-climate-plan-if-boris-johnson-is-pm

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      pat

      behind paywall – Times goes on its merry CAGW way:

      19 Jun: UK Times editorial: The Times view on Boris Johnson and Heathrow’s third runway: Expansion Rebellion
      The Tory frontrunner should pledge to halt the development of Heathrow
      Boris Johnson once pledged to lie down in front of the bulldozers to stop Heathrow from expanding. Yet when the moment for political bravery arrived, he couldn’t be bothered to turn up in parliament to vote against it. Now Heathrow has revealed its masterplan for a £14 billion project that will take more than 30 years to complete. It includes plans for the two biggest car parks in the world, each with a capacity of over 22,000 vehicles. More than 750 homes will be demolished. Rivers will be rerouted as the airport’s “operational footprint” balloons from 4.5 square miles to seven…

      The number of flights using the airport will rocket from 476,0000 annually now to 756,000 by 2050 – the year that Britain aims to have reduced greenhouse gas emissions to net zero. There is no such thing as a net-zero jumbo jet…
      https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/the-times-view-on-boris-johnson-and-heathrow-s-third-runway-expansion-rebellion-9x39jnh2q

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    shameless:

    18 Jun: BBC: Tory leadership race: Teen challenges contenders on climate change
    The five Conservative leadership contenders have been challenged on climate change by a Scottish teenager.
    During the debate broadcast on BBC One, climate striker Erin, 15, asked the candidates to commit to net zero carbon emissions by 2025…
    None of the leadership hopefuls agreed to bring forward the deadline, and Erin said she was not impressed…
    Erin, who joined the broadcast from Glasgow, said she was asking her question on behalf of UK youth strikers, who walked out of school to raise awareness of climate change…
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-48681602

    Murdoch’s Scottish Sun:

    18 Jun: ScottishSun: ERIN 4 PM Viewers call for Glasgow schoolgirl, 15, to become Prime Minister after she slams Tory candidates on BBC debate
    by Alan Zycinski
    Hundreds took to Twitter to praise Erin, 15, for slamming the Tory candidates over their response to climate change…
    As the candidates looked sheepish on camera, Twitter exploded with praise for the youngster.
    One user said: “Erin speaks for the nation.”…
    https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/politics/4382780/bbc-debate-prime-minister-erin-glasgow/

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    pat

    Carbon Brief thinks this is significant!

    17 Jun: WileyOnline: International Journal of Climatology: Royal Meteorological Society: Temperature extreme records: World Meteorological Organization metrological and meteorological evaluation of the 54.0°C
    observations in Mitribah, Kuwait and Turbat, Pakistan in 2016/2017
    Funding information: European Research Area for Climate Services (ERA4CS); Copernicus for Climate Change Services (C3S)/European Centre for Medium Range Weather Forecast (ECMWF)
    A World Meteorological Organization (WMO) committee officially evaluated temperature record extremes of 54.0°C at two locations, one in Mitribah, Kuwait on July 21, 2016 and a second in Turbat, Pakistan on May 28, 2017. The committee agreed that quantity and quality of documentation of both observations were excellent…
    https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/joc.6132

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    pat

    do Brits understand what is being planned?

    18 Jun: Guardian: UK firms told they face ‘deliberate disruption’ to hit zero carbon goal
    State ready to disrupt or phase out the most polluting business activities to meet 2050 target
    by Jillian Ambrose
    UK companies must brace for the government to deliberately disrupt or phase out business areas that are unfit for a net zero-carbon economy, according to a report.
    The UK Energy Research Centre (UKERC) has said many companies will face fundamental change, including the phasing out of the UK’s most polluting business activities.

    Jim Watson, a director at the UKERC, said many companies were not ready for deliberate government-led disruption…
    He said companies involved in running the UK’s gas networks, or working in the North Sea, may need to consider “an exit, or managed decline”.
    The sectors facing the biggest shake-up include heating, transport and construction, according to the report. It says they face “starkly divergent futures – including futures where their core assets will need to be phased out”…EA
    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/jun/19/uk-firms-face-deliberate-disruption-hit-zero-carbon-goal

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    pat

    full of negativity, but:

    19 Jun: Bloomberg: Trudeau Approves Trans Mountain Pipeline Expansion
    By Theophilos Argitis, Kevin Orland, and Robert Tuttle
    Project will boost shipping capacity by 590,000 barrels a day
    Government says it hopes construction to begin this season
    Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s government decided Tuesday to proceed with the construction of a major crude oil pipeline, saying the project has met strict requirements on safety and consultation with Canadian indigenous groups…READ ON
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-18/canada-s-trudeau-approves-trans-mountain-pipeline-expansion

    full of negativity, but:

    19 Jun: USA Today: Coal comeback? Trump plan would breathe new life into aging power plants
    by Ledyard King
    Aging coal-fired power plants would get a new lease on life under the industry-friendly proposal known as the Affordable Clean Energy (ACE) Rule, under the initial rule unveiled in August…
    Environmental Protection Agency Administrator Andrew Wheeler is scheduled to unveil the final rule of the Trump administration during a news conference Wednesday morning…
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/06/19/trump-plan-would-rescue-coal-industry-expense-climate-change/1491339001/

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    pat

    all they have is children and those who manipulate them:

    19 Jun: France24: AFP: ‘Generation climate’ to occupy huge German coal mine
    Thousands of European environmental activists are readying to blockade a huge open-pit coal mine in Germany, backed for the first time by the student climate movement launched by Swedish teenager Greta Thunberg.
    Protesters in their trademark white overalls will from Friday try to evade police lines and halt the monster machines digging through the moonscape of the 48 square kilometre (18 square mile) Garzweiler mine near Cologne…

    “Climate change is the biggest problem the world faces,” one of the protest organisers, Tadzio Mueller, told AFP. “Climate change is caused by fossil fuels, and lignite is the dirtiest of all the fossil fuels.”
    He added: “We need to stop burning fossil fuels, and that is exactly what we are trying to enforce, and we will blockade pits, and these diabolical machines, with our own bodies to show that we have to stop this.”…

    Germany, Europe’s biggest economy, has promoted clean renewables such as solar and wind and is phasing out nuclear power — but it is still missing its climate goals because of its huge reliance on coal that it sources from enormous open-pit mines…

    Local police have for weeks written to local high schools trying to dissuade young people from joining their more radical elders.
    But given the scale of the mobilisation, Aachen police chief Dirk Weinspach acknowledged that, while police will try to prevent entry into the mine, “there are points which we will not be able to cover”.
    https://www.france24.com/en/20190619-generation-climate-occupy-huge-german-coal-mine

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    Oh dear!

    Evening peak Wednesday 19th June 2019 – 30500MW at 6.25PM

    Wind power contribution at that same time – 177MW (at a Capacity Factor of 2.7%) So delivering just 0.58% of all generated power.

    Solar power plant contribution at that same time – ZERO

    Rooftop Solar Power contribution at that same time – ZERO

    (problematic) CO2 emitting sources contribution at that same time – 25900MW, so 84.32% of all generated power.

    (The rest from hydro)

    So, the three renewables of choice, after a stupendously enormous humungous amount of money being spent on them delivered just a tad more than HALF of ONE PERCENT of what was required ABSOLUTELY.

    A certain recipe for disaster more new ones to be constructed.

    Tony.

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    Richard Ilfeld

    We once again see large parts of the world where ‘investment’ in a government bond returns one less than the mount ‘invested’. As a retirement savings program, this would probably not work especially well, year over year. Money is again flooding into the US, where it is still moderately secure, and where investment can be made with some anonymity, and without excise tax.

    Alternative energy is a similar dis-saving of the public wealth, where the costs increase year over year without a positive return. It is not as obvious as a negative interest rate, but just a effective in lowering standards of living.

    If we shrink the pie, and the elite folks keep their share, the rest of us suffer.

    A ‘carbon’ tax is no different than an ‘intangibles’ tax (also known as a wealth tax). Skim some extra wealth from the economy with no benefit, and we slowly spiral downward.

    There aren’t many countries that tax savings accounts. This kind of negative return that hits home at a personal level is too well understood….even in wartime most free countries sell bonds with patriotic zeal rather than taxing savings.

    But the various tax and currency manipulation regimes from the left are precisely the same as a wealth tax; economic stimulus and carbon taxes are two sides of the same coin. They reduce the net asset value of the productive population and divert the chimerical “wealth” gained to government favored & unproductive disposition.

    A few politicians are willing to point out that we are being screwed. In an information rich world, where a voter in rural Florida can be aware of the impact of alternative energy on the South Australia grid, it is more likely the the traditional liberal gobblydgook won’t serve to silence them.

    Won’t be fooled again…..

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    FYI

    “Australian BOM Data Diddle & Ridd’s Freedom Fight”

    https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2019/06/19/australian-bom-data-diddle-ridds-freedom-fight/

    The other two are Jennifer Marohasy

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    Rupert Ashford

    Who’s the best energy company to support in Victoria – if you want to inflict as little damage as possible from the “green gods”?

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    el gordo

    ‘Bruce Gordon’s WIN Corporation will shut down five newsrooms across Australia as regional broadcasters struggle to justify funding local journalism in a tough market.

    ‘Staff at multiple WIN television newsrooms were pulled into meetings late on Thursday and told their offices would be shut down on June 28, sources close to the broadcaster said.’

    SMH

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      el gordo

      The Murdocracy is flush with money and Bruce Gordon is rationalising WIN in preparation for a sale.

      “Investing in journalism, breaking stories and moving the news cycle ahead is important to us, journalism is at the core of all we do.” Lachlan Murdoch

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    Carp

    Climate alarmists are branching out. They now want to abolish farm animals because they produce methane. Are they going to slaughter all wild ruminants as well?

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