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Last chance to book for the Friedman conference!
Science is nothing without free speech. Join the ATA and friends — people who fight for it. I’ll be speaking with Ian Plimer next weekend on How to Destroy an Electricity Grid.

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    el gordo

    Looking for possible candidates in my Blue Team, beside Ridd and Marohasy, I’ve drawn a blank. Any help?

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      yarpos

      Well our host for a start.

      Depends on your criteria. Any contributors to the Climate Change The Facts book would do well.

      Like to see a mix of skills and experience and at least a couple of Engineers.

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        bobl

        Oh, Salby would probably contribute even though he’s overseas now – nice way to get some retribution.
        Will Kininmonth would be great

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        el gordo

        I have no objection to engineers, after all Bob Carter was a geologist.

        We only need six people to educate the Coalition ginger group on the reality of climate change, so they can argue why they want to start building coal fired power stations.

        They can then easily give Malcolm and his clique the flick and win the next election with Tony at the helm.

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          bobl

          Engineers can put the reality of Renewable Energy – that is an Engineering Domain.

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            Rob Leviston

            TonyFromOz?

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            el gordo

            Engineers could be in the second wave, after the scientists convince the politicians that industrial CO2 doesn’t cause global warming.

            Going into the election with a reinvigorated Abbott leading the charge, supported by a united party, victory will be ours. Keeping in mind that more than half of the electorate is brainwashed it won’t be an easy run and of course the MSM would go ballistic, which would be fantastic.

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          Dennis

          You could first practise on a statue, explain the details and watch for the reaction?

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            Dennis

            By the way, I suspect that Chairman Mal has realised that he is in trouble, that the polls are against him and the former Liberals are determined to remain former while he remains PM.

            The first crack I noticed was the subtle change in rhetoric regarding electricity supply, e.g. “when the wind doesn’t blow and the sun doesn’t shine”. And the Minister’s media releases including the distant end of RET and subsidies, meaning a political target date well beyond the next election year.

            But to cut a long story short, I could not believe my ears when Christopher Pyne commented on evening news that the economy was improving and other good news was happening all due to the Abbott and Turnbull governments.

            Chairman Mal has shamelessly first criticised Abbott policies and initiatives and later adopted them.

            And now, I suspect, the white flag is being raised to voters and targeting Abbott’s many supporters.

            Will the next step be GetUp giving Abbott a pat?

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              shannon

              I dont believe the Turnbull “traitors” or the lefty Liberals.. will back down without a fight….
              Listening to Rowan today ..the “underminers” are now attacking, via the preselection ballots…..eg Craig Kelly…he is being stalked along with other Conservative Liberals..
              The UN Globalists are hard at work..dont underestimate them !

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                OriginalSteve

                Agreed. They will double down when under attack, so be prepared to react fast and furiously….

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              yarpos

              The renewables problem is at both ends of the spectrum. As they are largely uncontrolled they are also a problem when the wind blows or the sun shines too much.

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          toorightmate

          Unfortunately, I think we need pugilists to educate our politicians.

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      bobl

      Ian Plimer.
      I’d be happy to serve as an Electrical Engineering Specialist

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      PeterS

      Just be aware that in the US blue is for Democrats, red is for Republicans. Perhaps you should be looking at starting a Purple Team :-)
      The Difference Between Red, Blue, and Purple Teams

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        Hanrahan

        Purple sis the papal colour. Let’s not bring him into it.

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          Hanrahan

          Don’t ya hate it when you forget to Preview your typing?

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            PeterS

            Good point – stay away from purple then. Also scarlet, which is sort of red and orange, and is worn by cardinals. Magenta is nice but too close to red. As for typing yes, I wish we coufld ediewt ousr possts :-)

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        el gordo

        In Australia the pseudo Marxists are red and the centre right is blue.

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          PeterS

          True. Then there are the Greenies who are green on the outside and red on the inside like watermelons (with black seeds like the extreme right nationalist socialists).

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            OriginalSteve

            And it gets worse…..offers of re-starting a coal plant are knocked back.

            How does selling a power station so someone can run it, be something not in a shareholder interest, if there was nothing to be gained financially from not running it? Its certainly not a prime housing development site….

            An asset produces cash flow, and electricity is getting more expensive.

            Would this play just create an artificial scarcity and thus create a floor price for electricity?

            Or is it just playing and eco version of “Dog in the manger”?

            http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-21/agl-knocks-back-offer-for-liddell-coal-plant/9782252

            “Energy company AGL has knocked back an unsolicited offer for its ageing Liddell coal-fired power plant in the New South Wales Hunter Valley.

            Key points

            * Government had been pressuring AGL to keep plant open beyond 2022, or sell the facility
            * Alinta made an offer of $250 million last month
            * But AGL says that offer is not in the best interests of its shareholders
            * Alinta, and its Hong Kong-based parent company Chow Tai Fook, made an offer for the plant of $250 million last month.

            Alinta said it would also invest in upgrading the facility, believed to take the total spend to around $1 billion.

            In a statement to the sharemarket, AGL said it would not accept the offer.

            “AGL has completed a thorough assessment of the offer and, after careful consideration, has advised Chow Tai Fook and Alinta that it will not proceed any further with the offer,” the statement said.

            “The AGL Board has determined that the offer is not in the best interests of AGL or its shareholders.

            “The offer significantly undervalues future cash flows to AGL of operation the Liddell Power Station until 2022 and the repurposing of the site thereafter.”

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        Rah

        I would suggest “The Real Green Team” or “The people’s Green Team”. Take their fake green away from them. After all CO2 helps greening.

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    Hanrahan

    1980′s dietary guidelines made America fat.

    I’ve been ignoring them for years so maybe for good reason.

    There’s a bit of advertising here [skip the first 45 secs] but I couldn’t find a cleaner link

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-c-4rjo_xU

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    PeterS

    This is what happens when the German neo-Nazi party builds an alliance with Hezbollah.
    Sso thake your best shot you leftists, we dare you

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    Mark M

    … the penguin scare didn’t work out so well and the Polar Bear scare has become an embarrassment.

    So be it.

    The heck with Penguins and Polar Bears.

    Maybe the failed Himalayan glacial melt scare will work if we throw in the cute SNOW LEOPARD …

    Climate Change, how is it affecting Snow Leopards? | WWF

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MXDHIIyJLs

    Whoa! Wait. What?

    2017: Snow leopard taken off endangered species list

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-15/long-endangered-snow-leopard-upgraded-to-vulnerable-status/8947908

    2012: Himalayan glaciers growing despite global warming

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/globalwarming/9206785/Himalayan-glaciers-growing-despite-global-warming.html

    Bonus: If you can view twitter, the magnificent snow leopard hunting (footage) …

    The magnificent #SnowLeopard is protected at highest level by CITES since 1975.

    https://twitter.com/CITES/status/922343436484833280

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    el gordo

    Peter Ridd should contact the Fair Work Ombudsman because he was dismissed from his position in a harsh, unjust and unreasonable manner.

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      PeterS

      Indeed there are a number of avenues he could take, and probably if he took up all of them and was successful he would end with millions. Isn’t it odd though the MSM is not behind him given they are supposed to be the champions of freedom of speech. Ok, I know – I was being sarcastic on that last point.

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    pat

    found this via Climate Depot:

    18 May: WaPo: The Energy 202: Why climate scientists want to be thought of as the real ‘climate skeptics’
    By Dino Grandoni
    Last week, I wrote a story about how the staff of Environmental Protection Agency chief Scott Pruitt turned to advocates outside the agency to help craft a “red team-blue team” exercise…

    And what about the label “climate denier”? That tends to draw complaints, too — not so much from climate scientists but from those who question them, and resent any hint of a comparison with those who deny the Holocaust happened. ‘”Climate science denier’ is an accurate description, but can get some people’s hackles up,” Hassol said. “It is not, as some say, a reference to Holocaust denial.”

    Indeed, Princeton physics professor William Happer pushed back against the term “denier.” Happer is one of the scientists I mentioned in my story as among those researchers who reject the notion that climate change is all that severe — and who was working with Pruitt’s EPA on the “red team-blue team” exercise.

    When reached by email, Happer said the term “denier” is “designed to cast me and others like me as a Nazi apologist.”
    “Any honest scientist should be a skeptic, most of all, a skeptic of his (or her) own scientific work, and the work of others,” Happer wrote to me. “If you insist on categorizing me as anything other than an honest scientist (and somewhat immodestly, a very good one),” he added, “you might call me a scientist who is persuaded that doubling or tripling CO2 in Earth’s atmosphere will be a major benefit to life on Earth.”..

    The Post has no official entry in its stylebook on “climate skeptic” or any of its cousins. But the stylebook for the Associated Press does, and among its recommendations is perhaps the best bet for a busy journalist: Describe what the subject believes with a phrase like “those who reject mainstream climate science,” rather than just a one- or two-word label…
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/the-energy-202/2018/05/18/the-energy-202-why-climate-scientists-want-to-be-thought-of-as-the-real-climate-skeptics/5afded6330fb042588799589/?utm_term=.92d313fac37b

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      WXcycles

      ‘”Climate science denier’ is an accurate description, but can get some people’s hackles up,” Hassol said. “It is not, as some say, a reference to Holocaust denial.”
      __

      Didn’t the superior boofheads at Apple Corp say they’re pretty much equivalent?

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    Kim H

    Jo will be on Outsiders next Sunday with Rowan Dean and Ross Cameron , for those without Foxtel
    just download the Foxtel play app on your windows device and Sky news is provided without a subscription

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    Here’s me again shamelessly plugging my new Series.

    I had an inkling all along, but you don’t really notice it until you look at individual images for power generation, and from that, then extrapolate the data. My inkling was that coal fired power just hummed along all the time, doing what it always does, delivering those huge amounts of power all the time, and the ‘tweaking’ was done with Natural gas fired nd hydro power, and that has proved to be the case.

    Just quoting the figures sometimes gets an idea across in a fashion, but when you see the individual images for all the power sources, it ‘tells’ the story in manner which can be more easily understood.

    From those images, you can see that (contrary to some thinking) coal fired power does indeed ramp up and down across the day.

    And then you get to see something that happens only on weekends.

    Overall power consumption is lower, and here comparing Friday to Saturday, you see that Saturday had an average 1300MW lower consumption, and yet coal fired power was actually (the average across the day) higher on the Saturday than it was on Friday, a normal working day. The big effect was that Natural Gas and hydro power were considerably lower on the Saturday.

    There’s also the ‘weekend effect’ on rooftop solar that is more evident in the images than just quoting the numbers.

    Rooftop solar was delivering 3400MW at its Peak, around Midday. However, on the Saturday, more people are at home, hence consuming more power from their rooftop systems than from the grid, and, as is the nature of rooftop solar, in that it barely extends beyond your own local area, power, then overall power consumption is from those rooftops and not from the grid, hence overall power generation at that same time is 2000MW lower on Saturday than on the Friday working day, keeping in mind that rooftop solar is behind the meter.

    The link for this Saturday Post is at this link, if any of you have that interest, and the explanatory text is at the bottom of the post after the data and images.

    Tony.

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    bobl

    Open Letter to Peter Ridd.

    I’m sure the QC will get this but the JCU seems to be relying a lot on the supposed confidentiality imposed on you about the dismissal process. Confidentiality about dismissals is usually there to protect the dismissed people not the Employer, note also you should remember that the authorised recipient of ANY COMMUNICATION (The Addressee) owns COPYRIGHT to any materials sent to them (Created by the sender) and as such you can legally publish them. You should consider defamation proceedings against any individuals that have published defamatory information about you – even an e-mail to colleagues that has impugned your reputation (that you didn’t first publish in self-defence).

    Finally, I think you are possibly a model whistle-blower with your comments about scientific integrity and ultimately the misplacement of government funds based on poor, unreplicable science. Under the The Public Interest Disclosure Act 2013 or Equivalent Queensland ACT you should be entitled to protection from dismissal. I would like to see a comprehensive multifaceted plan of attack over this issue.

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      Peter C

      Hi Bobl,

      Have you sent your open letter to Professor Sandra Harding, Vice Chancellor of the James CooK University?

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      TdeF

      Yes, I was concerned that the Vice Chancellor quoted an email which had the title “for your amusement”.
      Her point presumably was that Peter was supposed to act and not joke about the situation.

      So he has been fired for thinking anything about his position might have had an ironic or amusing element. Was this all imputed from the title of an email?

      How rough is that, but the other question is how did she get that email? Was it private? Was it humorous? Are you allowed joke about anything? Or is that impugning the reputation of the University? From a privacy point of view, did someone go through Peter’s emails looking for any evidence that he was being lighthearted or joking? That is now held in evidence against him. Heaven help anyone who jokes about anything, especially the university or their situation. A single email to perhaps a student is enough to bring down the reputation of a university and cause real commercial damage. Or was it just an excuse?

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    PeterS

    The Inspector General report on the Clinton email issue is about to be released but some of the details have already been made public and it appears very interesting. It’s still too early to say for sure that indictments will be handed down so let’s wait and see.
    G Horowitz Finds FBI, DOJ Broke Law In Clinton Probe, Refers To Prosecutor For Criminal Charges

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      James Murphy

      There have been an awful lot of reports and press releases, yet no one really seems to have been prosecuted, let alone convicted, be on the Trump side, or the Clinton side. Lets hope some people get the justice they deserve, for once.

      Some of the (non-American) anti-Trump brigade at my workplace seem…mentally unwell. 2 people say the first thing they do in the morning when they wake up, is to see what people have been saying about Trump on Twitter, and they spend their lunchtimes at their desk watching anti-trump propaganda.

      They don’t react well when these activities are called out as being overly obsessive, and stalker-like…who’d have thought?

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        Rah

        There will be “criminal referrals” in the IG Report. Remember there is a Federal prosecutor running a parallel criminal investigation with the IG.

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    pat

    btw, even tho Stefan Halper has not yet been confirmed as the spy in the Trump campaign, someone needs to request the full transcript and audio of this interview with BBC, as only a brief excerpt has so far been published, and referenced for the wrong date.
    it was 18 May 2017 and the timeline below suggests it was lengthy.

    BBC Radio 4 Today Progam: 18/05/2017
    (AUDIO NO LONGER AVAILABLE)
    Today’s running order
    0750
    Former FBI boss Robert Mueller has been named special counsel to oversee an inquiry into Russia’s alleged interference in the US election. Professor Stefan Halper was a White House official in the Nixon, Ford and Reagan administrations and is now director of American studies at the department of politics, University of Cambridge.
    0810
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08q317m

    hopefully, a journalist or lawyer will get hold of it.

    just as GCHQ’s Robert Hannigan suddenly resigned shortly after Trump’s inauguration, Halper left Cambridge after the election, which is kind of interesting:

    18 Dec 2016: UK Telegraph: ‘I was a Russian spy. So what?’ Former double agent says Britain does work with Kremlin amid Cambridge concerns
    By Lydia Willgress
    It is a question that has rocked the academic world in Cambridge; are Russians trying to infiltrate the town’s seminars on intelligence?
    The whispers of espionage and double bluffs have reportedly been enough to make three experts resign from their positions as conveners of the academic forum – with many more arguing over the alleged links…
    Dr David Gosling, who worked as a spy for the Russians in the 1990s, told The Daily Telegraph that it did not matter if operatives were targeting the Cambridge Intelligence Seminar (CIS) as the Russians often used “clandestine methods” to gain information that was not significant or secret…

    His comments came after Sir Richard Dearlove, the former MI6 chief, Stefan Halper, a former policy adviser at the White House, and leading espionage historian Peter Martland all allegedly resigned from their positions amid concerns about Kremlin-backed funding.
    Mr Halper told one newspaper that his decision to step down was due to “unacceptable Russian influence” on the CIS, which meets at Corpus Christi college…

    Gosling: “It wouldn’t be a bad thing necessarily if there were links. What’s wrong with it? Russians could come here at lecture at the university.”…
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/18/russian-spy-former-double-agent-says-britain-does-works-kremlin/

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      Lewis P Buckingham

      Trump probably knew or suspected the Cambridge Connection and is slowly letting things come out.
      Notice how the Democrats have gone quiet on the ‘impeachment’ process.
      Russians subsidising Cambridge academics to spy on Trump via the CIA, run by Democrats, is not only believable but goes against
      the charge that the Russians were in friendly collusion with Trump.
      Where does the Podesta support for environmental groups in Australia spring from?
      Well, yes, the Clinton campaign,but who hacked her emails?

      ‘In late October, The Australian ran five front-page stories in a row alerting the world to the scandal that Australian environment groups have been receiving funding from a US-based foundation in order to protect the environment. An email I had sent to a US foundation had found its way into the inbox of John Podesta, Hillary Clinton’s chief of staff. As it turns out, Podesta had his email hacked (allegedly by Russian spies) and drip fed to the world via WikiLeaks in the lead-up to the US election.’
      https://arena.org.au/opposing-adani-by-john-hepburn/

      Presumably a copy of this one could have been wiped from Clinton’s server and the hard drive accidently lost in the courier service delivery.

      On the surface of it, maybe someone, a whistleblower, in the CIA itself, did the leaking.
      After all,the CIA were watching Trump while ostensibly protecting Clinton.To protect her they needed to know what she was doing, so hacked her emails as
      part of the job.
      She showed so much incompetence it would have forced their hand.
      If they were not supporting her, she would have been prosecuted for having a parallel,dark record of emails on an unprotected server.

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    pat

    3 Nov 2016: Sputnik News: Clinton Best Option for US-UK ‘Special Relationship’ – Ex-White House Official
    The victory of Hillary Clinton, who is more experienced and predictable than her Republican rival Donald Trump, in the US presidential elections will be more beneficial for the US-UK relations, former White House official Stefan Halper told Sputnik.
    MOSCOW (Sputnik) — Both US presidential candidates have repeatedly stressed the special character of US-UK relations, which is reflected in close military, intelligence and economic cooperation.

    “I believe [Hillary] Clinton would be best for US-UK relations and for relations with the European Union. Clinton is well-known, deeply experienced and predictable. US-UK relations will remain steady regardless of the winner although Clinton will be less disruptive over time,” Halper, who served as deputy assistant secretary of state for political-military affairs and senior adviser to the Department of Defense and the Department of Justice, said…
    https://sputniknews.com/politics/201611031047032702-clinton-us-uk-cooperation/

    excellent piece, especially as MSM is only focussing on Halper’s Republican credentials:

    20 May: The Intercept: The FBI Informant Who Monitored the Trump Campaign, Stefan Halper, Oversaw a CIA Spying Operation in the 1980 Presidential Election
    by Glenn Greenwald
    Four decades ago, Halper was responsible for a long-forgotten spying scandal involving the 1980 election, in which the Reagan campaign – using CIA officials managed by Halper, reportedly under the direction of former CIA Director and then-Vice-Presidential candidate George H.W. Bush – got caught running a spying operation from inside the Carter administration…

    Halper, through his CIA work, has extensive ties to the Bush family. Few remember that the CIA’s perceived meddling in the 1980 election – its open support for its former Director, George H.W. Bush to become President – was a somewhat serious political controversy. And Halper was in that middle of that, too…

    In 2016, top officials from the intelligence community similarly rallied around Hillary Clinton. As The Intercept has previously documented…DETAILS

    Equally strange are the semantic games which journalists are playing in order to claim that this revelation disproves, rather than proves, Trump’s allegation that the FBI “spied” on his campaign. This bizarre exchange between CNN’s Andrew Kaczynski and the New York Times’ Trip Gabriel vividly illustrates the strange machinations used by journalists to justify how all of this is being characterized…

    Whatever else is true, the CIA operative and FBI informant used to gather information on the Trump campaign in the 2016 campaign has, for weeks, been falsely depicted as a sensitive intelligence asset rather than what he actually is: a long-time CIA operative with extensive links to the Bush family who was responsible for a dirty and likely illegal spying operation in the 1980 presidential election. For that reason, it’s easy to understand why many people in Washington were so desperate to conceal his identity, but that desperation had nothing to do with the lofty and noble concerns for national security they claimed were motivating them.
    https://theintercept.com/2018/05/19/the-fbi-informant-who-monitored-the-trump-campaign-stefan-halper-oversaw-a-cia-spying-operation-in-the-1980-presidential-election/

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    RickWill

    According to CERES data the net heat uptake of the planet averaged 9.4W/sq.m in April 2018. This is slightly higher than the 8.8W/sq.m determined in April 2017.

    The March data for 2018 was not available so may be incomplete.

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      Peter C

      Should we pay any attention to Ceres Data?

      I know that Willis Eschenbach thinks it is reasonable.

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        RickWill

        CERES data does not give direct measurements of TOA power flux. There are many factors involved to derive the power flux. However those factors, in combination, are calibrated against the ARGO ocean heat data. The average result should have similar accuracy to ARGO data. Note relative readings depend on the interaction and stability of each component used in the derivation for the calibration drift over time. This is not instrument drift but things like changes in the composition of the atmosphere over time.

        CERES gives total global coverage at high resolution and the data is updated daily. So it is more detailed and more timely than ARGO data. For example, the fact that there is greater heat uptake in southern summers than in northern summers supports the oceans being better absorbers than land. Just glancing an image of the net radiation supports the same point:
        https://neo.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/view.php?datasetId=CERES_NETFLUX_M
        The land outlines can be detected in this image due to their lower net flux in the tropical regions compared with the tropical oceans.

        With regard to more subtle observations, it was clear that the southern ocean lost an unusually high amount of heat following the 2016 El Nino. The loss of Antarctic sea ice in the 2016/17 southern summer was due to hot tropical water from the Coral Sea flowing south and causing higher heat loss than average from the southern ocean. It verifies the iris theory of sea ice. In contrast to the albedo affect of sea ice, less sea ice causes greater heat loss. It is somewhat obvious given that temperature above sea ice can be 220K or lower while the adjacent seawater is 274K so very likely the water will be a better radiator than the ice. CERES just supports the obvious here.

        A key feature of the CERES data with regard to climate is the importance of heat redistribution via ocean and atmosphere from the tropics to higher latitudes. Also heat from the southern hemisphere to the northern hemisphere.

        Another subtlety is the fact that the net OLR over a large portion of tropical oceans at 28C can be less then 200W/sq.m. The on-line MODTRAN model does not have the range to get such a low value from a 28C surface. Using the highest possible water vapour setting in pouring rain gives 207W/sq.m. With those water values, the CO2 sensitivity is less than 1W/sq.m. The water vapour distribution is another CERES data set:
        https://neo.sci.gsfc.nasa.gov/view.php?datasetId=MYDAL2_M_SKY_WV
        Using standard atmospheric models are bound to give large errors when there is so much variation from standard.

        I do not place a lot of faith in the absolute values from CERES but it is useful for looking at spatial variation and yearly cycle. Barring drift, it should provide an earlier indication of actual global cooling than the ARGO data for example. It should also give early indication of the impact of volcanoes with regard to heat balance; something of interest at present.

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    yarpos

    Just watching a story on our ABC on conservation activities at Newhaven station, specifically a 40+km cat proof fence to keep the ferals out. All worthy stuff, aimed at “turning back the tide of exctinction” because they know what should be going extinct or not apparently.

    I was just wondering what the reaction would be to creating a 30 metres wide cleared strip around or into a coal mine or a gas plant? outrage I am tipping, but for these guys no probs.

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      WXcycles

      I seem to be all out if guilt or concern for obscure species allegedly going ‘extinct’, I must have looked at too many fossil rich outcrops to give a rat’s about species carking it. The rocks make very clear that species carking it doesn’t rate our concern, as many other new species ‘quickly’ take up any niche relinquished. Nothing lost, same or better deversity every time. As soon as megafauna work better, megafauna will re-emerge. It just doesn’t matter what humans do, or how we change the biota, the rules remain the same anyway, we’re just another endless dynamic adjustment. And why shouldn’t humans leave our mark on life, life has never hesitated to leave marks on us. Quid pro quo, I say.

      Prince Charles dreams of a virus (life) to wipe out peasants (life). Funny how ‘they’ never worry about life in human form, or respect its’ like, “amazingness”. It’s all the same ‘life’ phenomena, just different renderings. They forn over fricken dolphins, they’re so ‘intelligent’, good-intelligent too.

      Humans are bad-intelligent. We must virtue-signal and be all cute and sincere to pretend we caaaare about the umpteenth grey rat-like critter that is allegedly endangered.

      And that’s the modern penance, which turns bad dumb humans, into good intelligent humans.

      Yeah, well I don’t intend grey proto-rats harm, per-sec, but I won’t be too concerned about them going extinct unless they taste better than KFC. There’s a pronounced excess of grey proto-rats for a reason, their role is to feed predators. Their role is not to survive, it isto be eaten. But if they can survive breakfast, they get bonus life opportunities and activities. That’s as good as it gets.

      As those good-intelligent humans are less than three absent meals from eating that endangered proto-rat.

      Which makes you a bad-dumb human.

      Thus intelligence, morality and green religiosity are variables modulated by our hunger.

      hmmm … that seems shallow and unprincipled.

      Or maybe, pseudo-religious belief-induced guilt, as always, is a simply brilliant mass-manipulation and control mechanism, if you can train enough sock-puppets to believe in it, and set yourself up as the Swami of “Good-Intelligence”.

      This Massquerade
      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RpEfAV1T5b0

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    Ian1946

    Why is Queensland sending over 1Gw to NSW almost every day. We could shut down the gas plants and reduce the cost of power. Cut the connectors let the socialist south freeze in the dark.

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      NSW currently has four of its Units off line, taking around 2750MW out of their system, hence the need for those plants in Queensland to be delivering power into NSW.

      Tony.

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      Hanrahan

      TonyinOz answered that question a week or so ago when I asked the same question. It seems that NSW is doing scheduled maintenance out of the summer/winter peaks.

      But it is neighbourly and profitable to export power. Plukkachook would never admit it but it is the coal industry keeping our state afloat, royalties and all that. I’m sure our generators are not selling at a loss. :)

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        PeterS

        No not selling at a loss but at a profit, which is another excuse for the left to get rid of them. They just hate the West and what it stands for; capitalism and profit. The odd thing though a communist dictatorship like China has no problem with coal fired power stations, and in fact very busy building hundreds of them all over the world, and I presume making a huge profit! I often wonder whether we really should be calling the left here the left. The real left, such as in China are in most respects the exact opposite to the left we have in the West. That’s why some time ago I actually referred to them as the extreme right to make the distinction but I soon realised that’s a mistake and again there are many difference, BUT, and here is another irony – not as many differences as our left have from the real left. Go figure! Perhaps I was correct in the first place. However, we do have an extreme right party here – a spin off form Greece – called the Golden Dawn Party. I do know they hate the Greens and vice versa so that blows my theory. In conclusion we’ll just have to keep calling the left here the left for want of a better word.

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          el gordo

          Politicians who accept the yarn about CO2 causing global warming are generally left wing and includes Labor, Greens and half of the Liberal Party.

          The other half of the Liberal Party is divided between faint hearted sceptics and hard nosed sceptics, so its important to educate the latter and win the next election or we’ll enter a new dark age.

          Beijing has their hands full building coal fired power stations along the Belt and Road, but I’m confident Tony Abbott PM would get a hearing from Xi and we could all get on with our lives.

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      yarpos

      The parochial mentality never works out well in the longer term, this is just todays situation. QLD ,and probably every State, has enjoyed some kind of support or cross subsidy at different stages. Part of being a country rather than a bunch of totally self interested regions.

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    Andrew

    With various countries under pressure from unreliable power some fools reckon “green” money is the solution … Bank Of England Should Print “Green” Money To Prevent Climate Change

    In the meantime others reckon more is even better so just do it … Courthouse Solar Panel To Cost $1.5 Million, Take Over 100 Years To Pay For Itself

    In the meantime China is ignoring the noise and going down its own pathway … China to start building up to eight reactors in 2018

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    Peter C

    FIRE MAKES IT POSSIBLE!

    The Royal Wedding!

    Bishop Michael Curry!

    I guess that a lot of people watched the Royal Wedding of Prince Harry and the Miss Meghan Markle. And a lot of people might have thought that Bishop Micheal Curry of the Episcopalian Church in the USA went a bit over time

    But in his last 5 minutes did anyone else get a sense that he promoted FOSSIL FUELS!

    Here is the text:

    Pierre Teilhard de Chardin – and with this I will sit down, we gotta get y’all married – French Jesuit Pierre Teilhard de Chardin was arguably one of the great minds, great spirits of the 20th century. Jesuit, Roman Catholic priest, a scientist, a scholar, a mystic.

    In some of his writings, he said, from his scientific background as well as his theological one … in some of his writings he said – as others have – that the discovery, or invention, or harnessing of fire was one of the great scientific and technological discoveries in all of human history.

    Fire to a great extent made human civilisation possible. Fire made it possible to cook food and to provide sanitary ways of eating, which reduced the spread of disease in its time. Fire made it possible to heat warm environments and thereby made human migration around the world a possibility, even into colder climates.

    Fire made it possible … There was no Bronze Age without fire, no Iron Age without fire, no Industrial Revolution without fire. The advances of fire and technology are greatly dependent on the human ability and capacity to take fire and use it for human good.

    Anybody get here in a car today? An automobile? Nod your heads if you did – I know there were some carriages. But those of us who came in cars, fire – controlled, harnessed fire – made that possible.

    Who is Michael Curry? The minister who told royal wedding ‘love is the way’
    Read more
    I know that the Bible says – and I believe it – that Jesus walked on the water. But I have to tell you, I did not walk across the Atlantic Ocean to get here. Controlled fire in that plane makes it possible.

    Fire makes it possible for us to text and tweet and email and Instagram and Facebook and socially be dysfunctional with each other. Fire makes all of that possible, and De Chardin said fire was one of the greatest discoveries in all of human history. And he then went on to say that if humanity ever harnesses the energy of fire again, if humanity ever captures the energy of love – it will be the second time in history that we have discovered fire.

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    OriginalSteve

    I was going to get a few tshirts printed up that had:

    “Warning – tshirt contains a Libertarian.

    Will debate with logic and common sense.

    PC advocates may suffer offense.”

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      PeterS

      Good one. Perhaps you should make the distinction from Liberal for those who don’t know the difference.
      “Warning – tshirt contains a Libertarian, not a Liberal”

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        wert

        Librarian. Ook!

        HEY, PLEASE DONATE $100 TO PETER RIDD DEFENCE FUND. HE STILL NEEDS MORE THAN 40,000!

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    Hanrahan

    I linked this in Midweek but it was stale so I will repost it. It is soo Australian:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIRT7lf8byw

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      wert

      I didn’t know it is possible to fight a kangaroo unarmed and win. That man had guts and punch of a boxer.

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    Interesting experience with the easily offended:

    Several years ago, I was a support person for a rodeo. An obviously drunk individual approached me with a complaint about how offended he was by a clearly inconsequential thing. Not being very forgiving of willful idiots, I quietly replied how offended I was that he was expecting me to do something simply because he was offended. That tied his alcohol impaired brain in such a knot he paused for about a minute and walked away muttering to himself.

    I don’t know if this ploy would work on other easily offended individuals if they weren’t drunk but it might. Their premise seems to be that if they protest from a position of weakness, those who are not weak must submit to their weakness. To me, this suggests their brains are as impaired as someone who is drunk. They expect to FORCE you to submit to their whim simply because they are too weak to offer a real argument beyond a mere claim of a hurt feeling. It is a total disconnect from any semblance of reality. Perhaps not for a 2 year old child but definitely for an adult.

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    18 May: ClimateChangeNews: EU energy chief flies to Tehran to talk gas supply, as US sanctions loom
    By Karl Mathiesen
    On Friday, European commissioner for climate change and energy Miguel Arias Cañete flew to Iran. He will meet ministers from the petroleum and energy departments and well as foreign minister Mohammad Javad Zarif on a three day visit to the capital…
    The EU’s trade with Iran grew 60% between 2016 and 2017 – after the signing of the nuclear deal – said Cañete. “The European Union is fully committed to ensuring that this continues to be delivered on.”

    In the past week, French company Total has announced that, unless it gets a sanctions waiver from the US, it will withdraw from the South Pars 11 oil project in Iran.

    Earlier this year, the European Commission said it was looking to open talks with Iran regarding gas supply to the continent through the Southern Gas Corridor (SGC), a huge pipeline under construction.

    BP is the major shareholder in the SGC, which will carry gas from Iran’s neighbouring Azerbaijan to Italy. A spokesperson for the company told Climate Home News: “We take great care to ensure we always comply with applicable sanctions.” But would not be drawn on what this meant for plans to import Iranian gas through the pipeline.

    The SGC is Europe’s largest fossil fuel project, is deeply unpopular with climate NGOs and has attracted billions of dollars in public finance. Cañete backs it as a way to diversify Europe’s gas supply away from Russia. US sanctions raise questions about the option to diversify with Iranian gas…
    http://www.climatechangenews.com/2018/05/18/eu-energy-chief-flies-tehran-talk-gas-supply-us-sanctions-loom/

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    pat

    18 May: CityWireUK: Fund giants apply heat to oil firms as Shell dispute looms
    By Yoosof Farah
    A group of 60 asset managers including Aberdeen Standard Investments, AXA Investment Managers and Amundi have sent an open letter to the Financial Times (LINK BEHIND PAYWALL) demanding oil and gas firms step up their efforts to tackle climate change.

    The business(es) said the carbon energy industry ‘must be more transparent and take responsibility for all its emissions’.
    It comes as some of the largest oil and gas companies hold their annual shareholder meetings over the next few weeks.
    According to the FT, activist shareholders are pushing a resolution at Royal Dutch Shell’s annual meeting on Tuesday which would force the firm to align its business with the Paris climate agreement.

    Other signatories to the letter include Aviva Investors, BMO, Fidelity International, HSBC Global Asset Management, Investec Asset Management, Kames, Legal & General Investment Management, M&G Investments, Newton, Old Mutual Global Investors and Schroders…

    ***Several big pension funds also signed the letter. The signatories stopped short of backing the Shell resolution…
    http://citywire.co.uk/wealth-manager/news/fund-giants-apply-heat-to-oil-firms-as-shell-dispute-looms/a1120881

    CarbonBrief re the above: In an open letter to the FT, 60 major investors, which oversee almost $10.5tn in assets, have called for the oil and gas industry to be “more transparent and take responsibility for all of its emissions…
    The FT says it is “the clearest sign yet that asset managers and ***pension funds are increasingly concerned about the financial impact of global warming”…

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    pat

    17 May: RenewEconomy: Adani’s vain hope global coal market will save Carmichael mine
    By Bob Burton
    (Bob Burton is the Editor of CoalWire, a weekly bulletin on global coal industry developments published by CoalSwarm)
    The latest data from the Australian Government’s Department of Industry, Innovation and Science (DIIS) suggests Adani is dreaming.
    It is worth noting that DIIS’s coal forecasts have long been upbeat about the future of Australian coal exports and were slow to recognise the profound implications of public revulsion in China, India and other Asian countries at air pollution…

    DIIS data certainly show the dramatic growth in the seaborne thermal coal trade over the last decade.
    However, over the next six years to 2023 DIIS sees a decline in the seaborne thermal coal market with a fall of 20 million tonnes by 2022 followed by an increase of 7 million tonnes in 2023.
    If India cuts coal imports, what’s left for Adani?…

    Instead of the “continued growth” Adani sees, DIIS estimates that total Asian thermal coal imports will gradually fall from 760 to 740 million tonnes a year between 2017 and 2023…
    https://reneweconomy.com.au/adanis-vain-hope-global-coal-market-will-save-carmichael-mine-35641/

    17 May: Reuters: India’s state power plants resume coal imports amid domestic shortages
    by Sudarshan Varadhan
    After no significant imports in 2017, government utilities in the states of Tamil Nadu and Andhra Pradesh have ordered several cargoes of coal since the beginning of this year, two officials said…

    An increase in coal imports by state-owned power utilities undermines a pledge by Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s government to cut thermal coal imports to zero by March 2018.
    But state-owned Coal India Ltd, the world’s second-biggest coal miner by production, is grappling with a shortage of trains to carry the fuel from its mines to the country’s power plants.

    ***Both Andhra Pradesh and Tamil Nadu are waiting for the wind energy season to start in June, when they expect dependence on coal to ease, Jain and Kapoor both said.

    Domestic logistic bottlenecks, regulatory changes and surging power demand will likely increase 2018 thermal coal imports after two years of declines, Reuters reported in February.
    Imports rose over 15 percent in the first quarter of 2018…

    Imports would be a boost for international miners such as Indonesia’s Adaro Energy, Australia’s Whitehaven Coal or global commodity merchant Glencore…
    https://uk.reuters.com/article/india-coal-imports/indias-state-power-plants-resume-coal-imports-amid-domestic-shortages-idUKL3N1SM5HA

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    Ruairi

    Australia will the whole wide world outbid,
    To have the most expensive power grid.

    Will warmists growing old still stay naive,
    Or think some skeptic thoughts and not believe?

    To ship and harness pellets made of wood,
    Makes Greens and fellow travellers feel good.

    Australia’s coal could easily generate,
    Electric power cheaply for each state.

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    john

    The Sun Edison fiasco continues.
    Note to Australian’s and New Zealanders, This involves UPC Renewables and Longroad Energy Partners.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2018-05-09/mckinsey-sued-by-jay-alix-over-competition-for-bankruptcy-advice

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    Yonniestone

    For the Mod Squad: THE WEEK IN PICTURES: ANIMALS EDITION.

    My pick the Communist Jokes quip.

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    Another Ian

    Another Peter Ridd post

    “Delingole: Climate Skeptic Professor Fired for Telling the Truth About the Great Barrier Reef”

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/05/20/climate-skeptic-professor-fired-for-telling-the-truth-about-the-great-barrier-reef/

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    Another Ian

    “NASA and the Deep State Creation of Alarmism About Climate and Environment”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/05/20/nasa-and-the-deep-state-creation-of-alarmism-about-climate-and-environment/

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    RoHa
    May 20, 2018 at 1:06 am

    And, of course, they have said that Ridd is “not collegial”.

    This “not collegial” accusation was thrown at Norman Finkelstein (when he was denied tenure at DePaul University) and at Steven Salaita (offer of position withdrawn by University of Illinois).

    It looks as though it will be a very useful weapon to be used against academics who say the wrong things.

    https://www.aaup.org/report/collegiality-criterion-faculty-evaluationhttps://www.aaup.org/sites/default/files/SotoKannan.pdf
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    RoHa
    May 20, 2018 at 1:07 am

    Ooops!

    https://www.aaup.org/report/collegiality-criterion-faculty-evaluation

    https://www.aaup.org/sites/default/files/SotoKannan.pdf
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    s-t
    May 20, 2018 at 3:36 am

    “non collégial” (or “non confraternel”) is also the go to accusation for French medical doctors that dare to criticize established, consensus practices.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/05/18/climate-skeptic-professor-peter-ridd-fired-for-his-views-by-james-cook-university-jcu/#comment-2822219

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    Another Ian

    Check the list at the end of this

    “Guns And Home Invasion”

    https://rosebyanyothernameblog.wordpress.com/2018/03/20/guns-and-home-invasion/

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    Another Ian

    “1.5% Arctic Sea Ice Loss Over The Past Week”

    https://realclimatescience.com/2018/05/1-5-arctic-sea-ice-loss-over-the-past-week/

    And read what the pundits say

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    Another Ian

    Major new discoveries on exercise

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/index.php/2018/05/20/the-children-are-our-future-4/#comments

    Link and comments – some similar in comments on the Willis E thread above

    And

    https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2018/05/20/want-more-better-brain-cells-aerobics/

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    Another Ian

    The MSM – because (?)

    The world is being brought to you by stupid people.

    Journalists’ brains show a lower-than-average level of executive functioning, according to a new study, which means they have a below-average ability to regulate their emotions, suppress biases, solve complex problems, switch between tasks, and show creative and flexible thinking.

    The study, led by Tara Swart, a neuroscientist and leadership coach, analysed 40 journalists from newspapers, magazines, broadcast, and online platforms over seven months. The participants took part in tests related to their lifestyle, health, and behaviour.”

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/index.php/2018/05/20/your-moral-and-intellectual-superiors-14/

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      el gordo

      The comments are informative and I wouldn’t mind taking this further. All of us who regularly comment here are budding journalists and I wonder how we would rate with Tara Swat.

      A journalist should provide conflicting points of view in every story, allowing the reader to make up their own mind on the matter. Surely this is the ultimate test of a journalist’s credibility.

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        PeterS

        So true el gordo. It’s really a sad reflection on the MSM today that they only ever present one side of the argument. It would be like in a court of law only one side was allowed to present their case and the other side were not even there. It’s obvious what the jury would decide. The same applies to our schools and Universities. They all only present one side of the hot topics and discard the other side despite the fact most of the time the other side IMHO is the right one. It’s no wonder the world is becoming more stupid.

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          el gordo

          The digital age and communications revolution dudded newspaper journalism to a great degree, but the ABC has no excuse for packing their newsrooms with Trots.

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        Rah

        In my personal Thesaurus Journalist and liar are synonyms. That is the rule though of course there are exceptions. I wasn’t always so jaundiced. They made me that way.

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          PeterS

          I miss the Daily Planet in Superman :-) At least it was more honest that the real journalists.

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      PeterS

      Stupid is as stupid does. In other words, when people read and act accordingly after seeing the material coming from stupid people then those people are also stupid. The onus is on the receiver to use their brain and question everything they are being told, rather than taking the lazy approach as most do and accept whatever they hear or read. One classic case is Chamberlain’s case. The NT police along with the MSM did a good job convincing much of the public that she was guilty, and was convicted and imprisoned for a long time before she was exonerated. From the start I was not so convinced and did my own research and discovered there were other similar incidents where babies were attacked by dingos. So I had my doubts about her guilt. Then the evidence that was presented at the courts, such as the so called blood splatter in the car was at first suspicious then proven later not to be blood at all. The whole “show” is a good microcosm of how the crowd can so easily get it all wrong and become stupid due to false and misleading information from people who have or show a great lack of intelligence or common sense, which is the very definition of stupid. Anyone with even a reasonable amount of intelligence and common sense would not have come to the conclusion so rapidly that she was guilty.

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    pat

    21 May: West Australian: Rooftop solar poses blackout threat to WA’s main power grid
    by Daniel Mercer
    Extraordinary powers designed for emergencies such (as) major power plant failures or bushfires are being triggered to protect WA’s main grid from soaring output generated by rooftop solar panels.

    In comments to a Parliamentary inquiry, the body that runs the south-west electricity system has warned the market can no longer cope with the solar power being pumped out during certain conditions.
    Experts have warned a looming crunch may lead to increased risks of blackouts and higher power costs for consumers.
    There is now almost 1000MW of solar powered generation across the south west interconnected system — the biggest single source on the grid — with about 200,000 installations on households.

    At issue is the uncontrollable way rooftop solar power floods on to the system, which is making it increasingly difficult for the market operator to maintain the high-wire act of keeping the grid “balanced”.
    This requires supply — or generation — to almost perfectly match demand from households and businesses at all times to ensure voltage and frequency rates are kept strictly within safe levels.
    The Australian Energy Market Operator said the output from solar was so significant at times — particularly on mild, sunny days when demand for electricity was low — it was driving demand to negligible levels

    As a consequence, AEMO said it was having to occasionally invoke “high risk state” operating procedures to force base-load coal- and gas-fired generators to switch off to prevent the grid from becoming dangerously overloaded…

    It was only a matter of time, he indicated, before AEMO would regularly need to use high risk powers to make sure the lights stayed on unless there were changes to the market.
    Among them were encouraging greater uptake of storage capacity such as batteries to soak up excess solar generation and overhauling regulations to make the market more flexible.
    “How long that construct can stay and provide the signals that it needs to with a market flowing onto mums and dads and others with (solar panels) and batteries is the really interesting one that is going to have to start to pan out,” Mr Parrotte said…
    https://thewest.com.au/news/wa/rooftop-solar-poses-blackout-threat-to-was-main-power-grid-ng-b88841322z

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    el gordo

    Breaking Nooze

    AGL knocks back Alinta’s generous offer to buy Liddell

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      PeterS

      To be expected. I suppose AGL are itching to demolish the power plant as soon as it’s taken off line for the last time. The government should enact a law that says no company can close down or demolish a major contributor to the economy without replacing it with a suitable equivalent delivering almost identical services. That would rule out renewables since they can’t deliver almost 24×7 output unless in the case of AGL the spend trillions to install massive amounts of batteries and diesel/gas generators.

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        el gordo

        Barnaby did a doorstop and was scathing of AGL, as a backbencher he can express his views unrestrained. I like the look of this, its the debate we have to have.

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          PeterS

          I still think the backbench should revolt and join the ACP but I do realise it will leave open the possibility of ALP+Greens gaining and remaining in power for a long time to come simply because most Australian voters are too stupid to understand how our preferential voting system works and so use it to their advantage to introduce the real change they so desperately seek themselves.

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            el gordo

            Climate change is the most important issue of our time, give me a reason why I should vote for the ACP?

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              PeterS

              From their website https://www.conservatives.org.au/our_policies#energy
              Key Points:

              Australians deserve the most reliable and affordable energy in the world.
              With electricity generation, we are technology-agnostic but subsidy-averse.
              We support nuclear power and a nuclear fuel cycle industry.
              We support all forms of electricity generation and will provide them with legislative certainty and legal protection.
              We do not support any renewable energy targets.
              We will remove all taxpayer and cross subsidies to electricity generation.
              We will require all electricity supplied to the grid to be useable – that is, predictable and consistent in output (kWhrs) and synchronous (at the required 50 Hz range).
              We will allow market forces to provide the most efficient power generation available.
              We will withdraw from the Paris Climate Accord.

              Further Information:
              Electricity

              Australia should have the cheapest and most reliable electricity in the world. We have world-scale and world-class coal, gas and uranium reserves. Yet our electricity sector no longer reflects that.

              Australian Conservatives are open to any form of electricity generation, and will provide legislative certainty for the ongoing use of fossil fuels. We will remove the barriers to building more dams for hydro-power and clear the way for nuclear power as well as a nuclear fuel cycle industry.
              Gas

              Australia should also have the cheapest and most reliable gas supply in the world.

              We will support landholders’ rights to allow gas production on their properties, and to a reasonable return for that access and extraction, to help ensure there are sufficient quantities available for our domestic and export markets.
              Renewable Energy and Climate Change

              Australia produces less than 1.5% of global CO2 emissions. Even if our emissions were reduced to zero, it would make no perceptible difference to the climate.

              Ideological obsessions with uneconomic renewable technologies to meet unrealistic emissions targets to prevent ‘climate change’ have made our energy unreliable and expensive. Targets and subsidies for renewable energy distort the market and disadvantage consumers. Australian Conservatives are open to renewable energy as an option for electricity generation but we oppose taxpayer and cross-subsidies to support it.

              Australian Conservatives will scrap all taxpayer and cross-subsidies for electricity generation and allow market forces to determine the best outcomes for Australian consumers and business.

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                el gordo

                Seems reasonable, but will he also support landholders right to lock the gate against rapacious multinationals?

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                PeterS

                el gordo this is not a perfect world. Capitalism has many issues but is a far better system than the alternatives. Property rights are actually one of the main benefits of a Western society, something that a communist nation is generally dead against. From the same website ACP says the following. In fact I can’t find much about ACP’s policies that are disagreeable and are certainly far better than LNP and ALP combined. It’s a no brainier that anyone who believes there must be a better way that ACP is it.

                Respecting property rights

                Western societies, to remain democratic and prosperous, must maintain property rights that are clearly defined, respected and enforced. We oppose property rights being curtailed or usurped through red and green tape effects, and certainly without prompt, fair and just compensation.

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                el gordo

                Okay I concede, anyway the Lock the Gate Alliance is full of green zealots and best ignored.

                If Cory backs Abbott and Joyce on Liddell, then he has a good chance of improving his electoral prospects.

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                robert rosicka

                Amazingly enough some of the lock the gates crowd are fully aware that CAGW is rubbish but have been brainwashed by people setting taps on fire and also the rights of farmers to say no ,not on their land .
                The US and oz have very different rights in this respect .
                Personally I do believe the land owner should have the right to say what happens on their land in regards to any form of mining .
                Having said that the green movement have highjacked the cause and continue to spread misinformation and lies about the fracking process .

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    TdeF

    James Delingpole is now also on the case of Peter Ridd. Now at $218,570 at 9.09am 21st May 2018, the story is going to reach a world angry with the suppression of the truth and the persecution of anyone who speaks the truth. There is simply too much money in Climate Change to allow questioning the destruction of the Great Barrier Reef by coal. Somehow.

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      Peter C

      The Peter Ridd case will generate publicity, even from the reluctant ABC and Fairfax press.

      That will work against the Climate Conspiracy.

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    Another Ian

    On AndyG’s scoring system of 1 red = 10 green thumbs thumber has donated an awful lot of green thumbs thus far in the thread

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      Hanrahan

      The biggest disappointment is NOT getting a red thumb. It indicates that the phantom considers your post unworthy.

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    OriginalSteve

    Thought for the day – to really annoy a Leftist, just disagree with everything they say, then start throwing “-ist” labels around randomly.

    When they complain, just say its just a reflection…how fo you like them apples?

    Now where is my red thumb? Is it school holidays already?

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      Len

      The Cultural Marxist’s Critical Theory, OS?

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        OriginalSteve

        From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory

        “Critical Theory maintains that ideology is the principal obstacle to human liberation.”

        Agreed. If Marxists apply their ideology, humans move from a state of liberation – to slavery.

        They seem to be happy to go all genocidal on anyone who dares disagree with them. hence their love of gun control.

        As such, Marxism is just using a decrepit treatise on unworkable ideology to apply systemic bullying and harassment upon the bulk of the population, and then tell them its “paradise”. Common sense would label it a self perpetuating delusion by the self deluded…..

        Gotta love Marxism for its consistent, proven, epic failure of ideology and mentally bankrupt state…..

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        el gordo

        That is true Len, the theoretical masters like Antonio Gramsci (1891-1937), Theodor Adorno (1903-1969), Max Horkheimer (1895-1973), Herbert Marcuse (1898-1979) were the cultural Marxists.

        To destroy capitalism its important to influence the masses through culture, the green blob is a manifestation of the red menace.

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    David Maddison

    The reintroduction of wolves into Yellowstone National Park is the classic example of a “trophic cascade” as explained in this 4.5 min video.

    https://youtu.be/ysa5OBhXz-Q

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    pat

    it has indeed been a momentous week for Trump. a few good reads:

    20 May: Gateway Pundit: Jim Hoft: HUGE! Email Shows FBI ‘Informant’ Stefan Halper Was Still Spying on Trump Well Into 2017
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/05/huge-email-shows-fbi-informant-stefan-halper-was-still-spying-on-trump-well-into-2017/

    20 May: Sharyl Attkisson: “Collusion against Trump” timeline
    New items added in blue on May 20, 2018
    https://sharylattkisson.com/2018/05/20/collusion-against-trump-timeline/

    20 May: Townhall: How the FBI and CIA Restarted the Cold War to Protect Themselves
    by Thomas J. Farnan
    https://townhall.com/columnists/thomasjfarnan/2018/05/20/how-the-fbi-and-cia-restarted-the-cold-war-to-protect-themselves-n2482457

    YET. theirABC has all the following in the US:

    from ABC: The DC Washup is a look at US politics through Australian eyes. ABC North America correspondents Zoe Daniel, Stephanie March and Conor Duffy and US bureau producers Roscoe Whalan and Brooke Wylie reflect on the stories behind the headlines.

    AND THIS JUVENILE RUBBISH IS THE BEST THEY CAN COME UP WITH!!! LOOK AT THE GUESTS. LISTEN IF YOU WISH – IT IS AMATEURISH AND RIDICULOUS:

    AUDIO: 3mins56secs: 20 May: ABC: Spies, espionage and a porn star: one year on since Mueller’s investigation began
    By Conor Duffy on Correspondents Report
    This week marked the one year anniversary of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian meddling and alleged collusion in the 2016 election.
    It’s been a defining story for correspondents in America but one year on – where is it going and is it skewing coverage of the USA?

    North America Correspondent Conor Duffy looks back on a busy year.
    Featured:
    Max Bergmann, Moscow Project and former speech writer to John Kerry
    Hank Sheinkopf, veteran Democratic political consultant
    http://www.abc.net.au/radio/programs/correspondentsreport/spies,-espionage,-porn-star-one-year-mueller-investigation-began/9778958

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    21 May: AFR: Lidell: Malcolm Turnbull’s flirtation with state socialism is over
    by Ben Potter
    So endeth the semester long lesson in the evolution of the energy market, and with it the Turnbull government’s bizarre experiment with state socialism and central planning.
    AGL Energy has announced that the plan doesn’t make a bit of sense…

    So it is rejecting an unsolicited offer from Alinta Energy (LINK) that Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull and energy minister Josh Frydenberg cajoled out of Chinese-owned Alinta in order to keep alive the unlikely prospect of Liddell staying open past its 50th birthday in 2022…

    Turnbull and Frydenberg had a political problem last winter when wholesale power prices hit panic levels after a summer of outages in the National Electricity Market and the closure of Victoria’s 1600 megawatt Hazelwood brown coal power station in March.
    Coal-loving climate change deniers like former Prime Minister Tony Abbott and former Deputy Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce were making as much mischief as they could…

    AEMO has also blessed AGL’s plan for the Liddell site, saying that if it is carried out in full there will be no shortfalls in energy supply…
    http://www.afr.com/opinion/lidell-malcolm-turnbulls-flirtation-with-state-socialism-is-over-20180520-h10bc8

    subscription required:

    21 May: AFR: AGL rejects Alinta bid, will close Liddell in 2022
    http://www.afr.com/business/energy/agl-rejects-alinta-bid-will-close-liddell-in-2022-20180520-h10bb5

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      robert rosicka

      Just heard frordenberg saying that AGL are well short of promised power MW hours with the current proposal .

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    short answer: NO.

    21 May: Canberra Times: Can Canberrans really live without fossil fuels?
    By Frank Jotzo, Penny Sackett & Will Steffen
    (Professors Frank Jotzo, Penny Sackett and Will Steffen are members of the ACT Climate Change Council and were involved in preparing the advice on emissions targets to the ACT government)
    The ACT government has announced new greenhouse gas emissions targets for the territory. The targets are for full carbon neutrality by 2045, and a rapid rate of decarbonisation over the coming three decades, with targets of 40 per cent reduction in 2020 (the existing target and on course to be met), 50 to 60 per cent reduction in 2025, 65 to 75 per cent reduction by 2030, and 90 to 95 per cent reduction by 2040, all compared to the ACT’s emissions in 1990.

    Staying on this path will require a sustained effort, but can be achieved with low economic cost and many benefits…
    Having a clear trajectory provides a basis for investment planning by business, policy direction for government departments, and action in the community…

    Right now, the main sources of ACT emissions are from electricity use, cars, trucks and buses, gas used for heating and by businesses, and some other minor sources including waste. The ACT is investing in wind parks and solar farms that, on average, will supply 100 per cent of its electricity needs by 2020, likely enabling the territory to meet its 40 per cent emission reduction target by that date.

    The next “cab off the rank” is to modernize Canberra’s transport sector. Zero carbon emissions in transport will mean conversion to electric cars and buses, expanding the light-rail network, more cycling and walking, and denser housing and town planning to shorten journeys and reduce dependence on cars.
    Large investments over time will be needed, but the tangible rewards will be large, too…

    The other large task is the switch from gas to electricity in heating, cooking and some business processes. The technologies are already available…
    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/politics/act/can-canberrans-really-live-without-fossil-fuels-20180520-p4zgen.html

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      David Maddison

      How can they live without carbon?

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      robert rosicka

      Remove everything connected to fossil fuel from Canberra for just 8 hours and see how they soon change their minds .

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        Another Ian

        A smarter Canberra if that happens?

        “Want More & Better Brain Cells? Aerobics.”

        https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2018/05/20/want-more-better-brain-cells-aerobics/

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        OriginalSteve

        Canberra gets cold.

        No heating from fossil fuels would shut down the govt and public service.

        Everything would go out on stress leave, and they wouldn’t be able to ship enough counsellors to set up graduated return to work programs and deal with so many people….and then they would declare an extra public holiday just for kicks, and set up a commission to study the impacts of it , and discover it was no doubt connected to climate change which would ensure “real funding for fake science” for decades to come…..

        Sir Humphrey Appleby would have a field day….

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    read all:

    20 May: WA Today: Cole Latimer: Insurance industry shift from coal could mean higher power prices
    About 10 per cent of global insurance assets are being impacted by these changes, but risk management firm Aon believes that as the movement gains momentum, 20 per cent of all insurers could drop their coal assets by the end of the year.

    NIGHT PHOTO: CHIMNEYS, SMOKE

    “Insurers and investors are turning away from coal mining and coal-fired generation,” Aon global mining practice leader Paul Pryor said.
    In the past few months, global insurance firms such as Allianz, Skor, Axa and Zurich have all indicated they will dump coal power companies in the coming years.
    “Miners and generators need to start developing their strategy now to prepare for the impact. Two of our clients, in NSW and Queensland, are expecting to be affected, while we are already seeing other companies start to come to us about it,” Mr Pryor said.

    Grattan Institute energy director Tony Wood said that as insurers left the sector more risk was being created for the industry.
    “Generators will have to pay higher costs for insurance as the pool of insurers shrinks, which means the price of power will go up as they shift these increased costs onwards,” Mr Wood said.
    “Although large companies like AGL often end up self-insuring anyway as they can better manage the risks.”

    He said even though the National Energy Guarantee, the federal government’s energy policy, had set emissions reduction targets of 26 per cent, the direction of the electricity sector was clear.
    KPMG’s national head of energy and natural resources, Ted Surette, said the industry was making a shift towards more sustainable operations, which included backing out of coal.
    “The insurance industry is stating its position globally, and that is that coal isn’t a sustainable investment,” he said.
    However, he believed the impact would be minimal over the medium term as many power generators had already begun a shift from coal to renewable energy, which has the backing of insurers…

    However, confidence still remains for thermal coal as analysts raise yearly average expectations due to growing demand for energy in south-east Asia.
    https://www.watoday.com.au/business/the-economy/insurance-industry-shift-from-coal-could-mean-higher-power-prices-20180518-p4zg68.html

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    he would say that:

    21 May: Guardian: No sovereign risk to revoking Adani approval, Saul Eslake says
    Economist says Australian MPs ‘abusing the term’ in applying it to any decision to pull approval for Carmichael mine
    by Lisa Cox
    Economist Saul Eslake, who wrote the report for the Australian Conservation Foundation, found neither Australia’s sovereign rating, nor the ratings of states and territories, had ever been affected by environmental policy decisions made by governments, although such decisions could affect foreign investors…

    In March the opposition leader, Bill Shorten, said he did not like the Adani mine but scrapping it would be a sovereign risk…
    He made the remarks after former ACF president Geoff Cousins gave an interview on the ABC’s 730 in which he said the Labor leader had told him he could commit to revoking Adani’s mining licence but then changed his mind.
    The resources minister, Matt Canavan, has described Shorten as “walking sovereign risk” for hardening his stance on the project.

    Eslake said the term “had a much more precise meaning in financial markets than the way it’s bandied about by politicians.”
    “Sovereign risk is about the risk that a government defaults on its debts and clearly Adani has nothing to do with that,” he said…

    Rob Henderson, a former chief economist of markets for NAB, said there was no evidence that making decisions on environmental grounds impacted Australia’s credit rating…
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/may/21/no-sovereign-risk-to-revoking-adani-approval-saul-eslake-says

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    20 May: 9News: Cassandra Bain: Australian scientists unlocking key to save world’s reefs
    Native to Western Australia’s Kimberley region, the stag horn coral is so tolerant to high temperatures it can thrive in conditions that will kill other corals.
    Dr Verena Schoepf from the University of Western Australia, is now trying to discover what makes the coral so hardy.
    It’s hoped the study’s findings could one day help restore reefs that are being bleached by rising water temperatures…

    But coral experts say more still needs to be done to protect against climate change.
    “Coral reefs give early warning of mega catastrophes that have happened in the past in the oceans, and they’re giving warnings of that now,” marine expert Dr Charlie Vernon said.
    “Coral reefs are the first to go under and then the rest of the oceans follow, then you have a mass extinction,” he said.
    https://www.9news.com.au/national/2018/05/20/21/45/australian-scientists-unlocking-key-to-save-world-s-reefs

    still nothing whatsoever on Peter Ridd from any of our CAGW-infested FakeNewsMSM (incl 7, 9, 10 TV channels), other than Murdoch press.

    20 May: Twitter: Greenpeace co-founder Patrick Moore: Please support Dr. Peter Ridd who was fired by James Cook U. in Queensland for daring to speak out about the total exaggeration of damage to the Great Barrier Reef…etc
    The reef lives!!!
    https://twitter.com/EcoSenseNow/status/998287407525974016

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    TdeF

    Amazing story on the ABC with their 7pm news News audience plummeting from 760,000 a year ago to 660,000 today. Close to 20%. 100,000 people have switched off, probably never to return. This despite the annoying advertising on other channels.

    Their response? To have bigger stories, more exclusives, more interviews and studiously avoid “what happened today”.
    So it’s all about the journalists and their views and what they find important, their take on current affairs and certainly not today’s news.

    They must wonder why people are switching off as they double down on telling their stories about polar bears and icebergs and climate change and not what actually happened today. Perhaps they could change the name too, from the “News” to their “Views”. It is certainly a closed fantasy world at Their ABC.

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      TdeF

      Reinforcing #34?

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      When all you get is Pravda style stories telling us how wonderful our Glorious Leader and his nonsense eco strategies is, most people switch off….

      Australians are rather good at ferreting out BS, but will switch off in droves if its just constant govt-approved BS ( i.e. propaganda ).

      You can dress up the BS, but the smell always lingers….

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    robert rosicka

    Just heard a snippet from Susan Ley and her private members bill regarding live sheep exports .
    Of the two main reasons given she says that it’s not economically viable !
    Who are the government to tell private enterprise that they don’t stack up economically so we are going to ban you ? This country has gone to the dogs our politicians are incompetent and just digging a huge hole of which we will never be able to get out of .

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      So wrong on so many levels.
      It is a private members’ bill not the government.
      If her electorate don’t like it they will vote her out so the system is accountable.
      Stopping inhumane practices is not going to impact on the country’s well being or soul – there is no hole as you claim.
      Here is a link to cause you more aneurysms…

      https://theconversation.com/the-live-export-trade-is-unethical-it-puts-money-ahead-of-animals-pain-96849

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        robert rosicka

        Read the post again posterior orifice !
        I said private members bill .
        As for the government interference in private enterprise because of not being economical the government has no business interfering with private companies on that basis .
        If it’s a national interest thing maybe but even then look at result of the government involvement in the electricity market , nothing to see there .
        You’ve proven before you no nothing about farming so stick to force x dude .
        Sheep can be successfully transported even in summer if it’s done properly and if not the consequences speak for themselves ,there are rules and regulations governing such and if broken the penalties should apply and any carrier found in breach should lose their license .
        If sheep can’t be transported at lower numbers with proper ventilation and cooling economically ,the market will cease .

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        beowulf

        Gee
        Susan Ley’s electorate of Farrer is in SW NSW and has zero connection to the live sheep trade. The folks affected by an export ban who farm in WA and elsewhere have no say in voting Susan out of office. She is NOT accountable to the people who matter.

        If you get an infected toenail it is a rare doctor who grabs the nearest axe and chops your foot off at the ankle to cure the infection. There are many intermediate steps that can be taken before resorting to amputation. Likewise there are many remedial steps that can be (and already should have been !!!) taken to ensure animal welfare. You don’t shut an entire industry down because of a bad operator.

        You’re quoting an article written by an inner city vegetarian that says sheep export is wrong no matter how well it is done: “we shouldn’t be eating animals at all.” There’s a hint there if you’re really, really, really observant. He’s of the sheep are people too mentality. Those famous idiots the Greens agree with him and when have they ever voted for anything sensible?

        He criticises animals having their throats cut while fully conscious in the Middle East, but I notice he says not a word about local Halal slaughtering. Wouldn’t want to upset Waheed Ali and Co. Mal wouldn’t allow that.

        If you want to improve animal welfare start by banning all Halal slaughtering practices within Australia, unless you enjoy the noise of animals gurgling in their own blood as they thrash about dying slowly, because once you ban exports you are still left with even more Halal suffering here at home.

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          robert rosicka

          Agree 100% Beowulf, I never went to his link because the conversation is useless for facts , the leaf is a good example of a brainwashed lefty who believes whatever his green master tells him .
          Halal is a cruel way to go for any animal and the practice should be looked at but the lefty pinky greenies never will .

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    OriginalSteve

    Clever….burning trash in Japan and making the facility look like DisneyLand….

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-21/the-japanese-waste-incinerator-that-has-its-own-tripadvisor-page/9780872

    “In Tokyo, the world’s largest metropolis, there are now 21 high-tech incineration facilities within its 23 wards.

    While not as architecturally interesting, it’s not had to spot the smoke stacks which stick out even among the megacity’s towering skyline.

    The fleet of incinerators are burning rubbish constantly.

    “Now there is only one landfill site left in central Tokyo area,” Wataru Sasaki, manager of the Toshima Incineration Plant in northern Tokyo, said.

    “We need to reduce the amount of landfill so our future generation can keep using it — rubbish becomes one-twentieth of [its size] when it’s incinerated.

    “Furthermore, you can recycle some of it into slag and use it as cement.”

    That cement is used as asphalt and bricks that pave some of the streets and paths of Tokyo.

    The heat from the Toshima plant is also used to warm nearby pools and the facility generates enough electricity to power itself and sell excess capacity back into the grid.”

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    20 May: The Hill: Stopping Robert Mueller to protect us all
    By Mark Penn
    (Mark Penn served as pollster and adviser to President Clinton from 1995 to 2000, including during his impeachment. He is chairman of the Harris Poll and author of “Microtrends Squared”)

    The “deep state” is in a deep state of desperation. With little time left before the Justice Department inspector general’s report becomes public, and with special counsel Robert Mueller having failed to bring down Donald Trump after a year of trying, they know a reckoning is coming…

    This process must now be stopped, preferably long before a vote in the Senate. Rather than a fair, limited and impartial investigation, the Mueller investigation became a partisan, open-ended inquisition that, by its precedent, is a threat to all those who ever want to participate in a national campaign or an administration again…

    Stopping Mueller isn’t about one president or one party. It’s about all presidents and all parties. It’s about cleaning out and reforming the deep state so that our intelligence operations are never used against opposing campaigns without the firmest of evidence. It’s about letting people work for campaigns and administrations without needing legal defense funds. It’s about relying on our elections to decide our differences.
    http://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/388549-stopping-robert-mueller-to-protect-us-all

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    20 May: GatewayPundit: Cristina Laila: John Brennan Fires Warning Shot to Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell After Trump Orders DOJ to Investigate FBI’s Campaign Infiltration
    Former CIA Director-turned-Twitter troll, John Brennan lashed out at Trump on Sunday evening after the President ordered the DOJ to investigate the FBI’s infiltration of his campaign.
    Brennan also fired a warning shot to House Speaker Paul Ryan and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell that they will ‘bear the majority of the responsibility of the harm done to our democracy’ if they don’t stop Trump…

    John Brennan is in hot water which is why he continues to lash out at President Trump from his Twitter account.
    Brennan is caught in a perjury trap over his statements about Hillary’s phony dossier in a May 2017 testimony to the intel panel.
    Obama’s former CIA chief was also involved in setting up Russian espionage traps for minor players in Trump’s camp, according the investigative reporter, Paul Sperry…
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/05/john-brennan-fires-warning-shot-to-paul-ryan-and-mitch-mcconnell-after-trump-orders-doj-to-investigate-fbis-campaign-infiltration/

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    el gordo

    “We have made it very clear that we wanted AGL to consider this approach by Alinta … we always said it was going to be a commercial negotiation between the parties.

    “(The AGL board) has said they are not proceeding with it. This is disappointing, even the fact that AGL did not feel fit to invite Alinta in to do due diligence to see if it would change its offer is disappointing but that was always going to be a commercial decision.”

    Josh Frydenberg

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      el gordo

      “It’s in their narrow, commercial self-interest to get the price of power up because that pads their profit.

      “Given that the federal government has effectively now got responsibility for energy security, the government should compulsorily acquire this power station for the price that Alinta were prepared to pay and then it should sell it to Alinta and they can operate it.”

      Tony Abbott / 2GB

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        wal1957

        Since Abbott 666 suggested that, it won’t happen.
        Also, Turnbull is a greenie and lacking any backbone.

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          el gordo

          Turnbull put the heavies on the gas conglomerates to give us some slack at a reasonable price, which they duly did. It goes against his belief to interfere with the free market, but he had little choice.

          Its interesting that Abbott and Joyce are moving away from laissez-faire economics, but then Barnaby does have agrarian socialist tendencies. I’m cheering them on, my faith is being restored.

          By the way, the 666 slur is misplaced, Xi is the antichrist.

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      el gordo

      “We need to grab AGL, cart them back in and say, ‘this is BS, you are taking us for a ride, you think we are fools and the Australian people are not, and they are not going to pay for your market manipulation, which is what is coming next’.”

      Barnaby Joyce / ABC

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        beowulf

        I’m glad Barnaby is no longer constrained by cabinet solidarity. He can start speaking the truth again. The pity was that he didn’t grow a set and speak the truth while he was deputy leader, when he might have controlled Mal’s excesses to some extent.

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          el gordo

          It wasn’t possible for Barnaby to say anything because of Cabinet solidarity, but now that he is a free man he can come out punching.

          With nothing to lose, Abbot and Joyce will spearhead a people’s uprising.

          ‘On The Bolt Report on Sky News at 7pm: The shocking sacking of Peter Ridd. Tony Abbott on the AGL rejecting the Turnbull Government’s pleas to sell its Liddell coal-fired power station.’

          The Hun

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      PeterS

      Real change can only happen when we have a new government with the right attitude towards the climate change scam. Until that happens all that will happen is business as usual. Companies will make profits under the law in whatever way they so choose, and we have to accept that’s the capitalist way and the way we prefer compared to the alternative of communism. So how do we get the right sort of government? Vote for a party that is dead against all this nonsense. There is really only one such party at the moment – the ACP. They won’t be able to form a majority government but at least they could hold the balance of power if enough people give them support. THat way they might force the government, whoever that might be to comply. Otherwise, all the whining and complaining will not change a thing. Only one other thing will change things; the crash and burn scenario. Then the people will wake up – perhaps.

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    Jo FYI

    At the end of Allan Jones radio just now (a bit befor 3pm est) on Macquarie Radio and links there was a brief mention of Peter Ridd and that JCU has set up an enquiry into the retracted reef paper, with a comment along the lines of “Isn’t that what Peter Ridd was saying?”

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      pat

      Another Ian -

      can’t find any particular segment on Jones’s website at 2GB, but wondering if he was referring to the following (behind paywall):

      James Cook University dragged into global research scandal
      The Australian-11 May 2018
      James Cook University has been dragged into a global research … by Sweden’s Central Ethical Review Board led to the paper’s retraction…
      At the centre of the scandal is work by former student Oona Lonnstedt, who was last year found guilty of fabricating data underpinning a 2016 …

      Oona Lonnstedt mentioned in the following also:

      30 Apr: FrontPageMag: The Irreproducibility Crisis of Modern Science
      How defective science harms public policy and damages our public schools
      by Lloyd Billingsley
      “Most Americans don’t even know that the crisis exists,” explain David Randall and Christopher Welser of the National Association of Scholars. Help has now arrived in The Irreproducibility Crisis of Modern Science: Cause, Consequences and the Road to Reform. The general reader might find the title puzzling but the concept is simple.
      If a scientific study is to be legitimate, it must be reproducible because replication allows examination of the data and the possibility of different conclusions. If the study is not reproducible it is not really science, and as the authors show, that type of non-science is now common.

      In June of 2016, ***Oona Lönnstedt and Peter Eklöv of Uppsala University published a paper in Science warning of the dangers of microplastic particles in the ocean. The study got considerable media attention but as it turned out, “Lönnstedt never performed the research that she and Eklöv reported.” So in philosophical terms, it had an existential problem, and veracity is also an issue…

      Currently, positive results tell politicians what they want to hear, and pave the way for lucrative government grants and prestigious positions. So those whose conduct such research tend to shield their data.

      For example, Tom Karl of the National Centers for Environmental Information at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration claimed to refute evidence of a global warming hiatus since the early 2000s. But since Karl failed properly to archive the data, his conclusions were not open to replication.

      If a researcher fails to share data and methodology, one skeptic observes, “we have no obligation to believe anything in his papers.” In current conditions, the authors show, “Groupthink also inhibits attempts to check results, since replication studies can undermine comfortable beliefs. An entire academic discipline can succumb to groupthink and create a professional consensus with a strong tendency to dismiss results that question its foundations.”

      “Science that touches on political agendas has contributed more than its share of problems to the irreproducibility crisis,” explains an afterword by William Happer, emeritus professor of physics at Princeton and former director of energy research for the US Department of Energy. Happer notes that research on the harmful effects of carbon dioxide was published by “scientists” in peer-reviewed journals, but “almost none of it is reproducible.”

      These trendy scientists, Happer writes, think themselves far superior to those in the “basket of deplorables,” who “have a hard time understanding why scientists are so special, and why they should vote as instructed by them.”…

      EPA administrator Scott Pruitt recently announced, “the science that we use is going to be transparent. It’s going to be reproducible.” That fueled an angry response from Gina McCarthy, EPA boss from 2013-2017, and Janet McCabe, her assistant in the EPA Office of Air and Radiation.
      They contend that, “peer review ensures that the analytic methodologies underlying studies funded by the agency are sound.”…

      On McCarthy’s watch in 2015 readers may recall, the EPA dumped millions of gallons of toxic waste into the Animas River. That create a fathomless environmental disaster in four states but the EPA refused to pay $1.8 billion in damage claims, some from Native Americans.

      Gina McCarthy was not fired and she now directs the Center for Health and the Global Environment at Harvard. The groupthink gang gets the big bucks and members never have to say they’re sorry.
      https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/270009/irreproducibility-crisis-modern-science-lloyd-billingsley

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        Pat

        That was near the end of the version that goes from 2 – 3 pm on Macquarie and linked networks. I’m not sure if and where you can get that

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      Another Ian

      Might be this one

      https://retractionwatch.com/2018/02/28/journal-investigating-earlier-work-by-author-of-discredited-fish-microplastics-paper/

      Mentions in The Australian behind the Murdoch wall if you search “James Cook University paper retraction”

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    PeterS

    This could explain why the US is gradually losing it’s credibility and hence it’s standing in the world. If what eventually comes out of this is as true as what some are saying it could very well destroy the US for good unless some serious changes are made, including the arrest of many top officials in the Obama administration, possibly even including himself. I almost wish all this was not remotely possible but I’m afraid we no longer have that luxury to bury our heads in the sand. Reality bites.
    Did Obama Use the FBI the Same as Nixon Used His Own People to Spy on Opposition?

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      Hanrahan

      I’ve heard George W spied on the dems too so there is no honour among thieves. Only heard it once so may be false.

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    pat

    reply to Another Ian’s comment #55 is in moderation.

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    Dave

    Just reading this

    https://jennifermarohasy.com/2018/05/university-professor-sacked-telling-truth/#comment-612694

    Jennifer Marohasy did an interview with Cairns Post today!

    It’s since been deleted!

    WOW!
    The power of James Cook University advertising?

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    Hanrahan

    There is an entitlement mentality with renewable energy projects.

    From the Townsville Bulletin:

    Huge renewable project halted, hundreds of potential jobs gone
    CHRIS LEES, Townsville Bulletin
    May 21, 2018 2:22pm
    Subscriber only

    A PLANNED $640 million renewable energy project near Ingham has been scrapped, for the moment.

    North Queensland Bio-Energy Corporation Limited announced a “halt” to its sugar cane based renewable energy facility project.

    The facility was to crush 2.5 million tonnes of sugar cane, the bagasse from which would be burnt in high pressure boilers to generate renewable power.

    NQBE chairman Robert Carey blamed successive the Federal Government’s “constant changing” of climate and energy policy for the decision.

    He told shareholders it had caused enormous uncertainty in the market.

    This is weird, sugar mills already burn their bagasse and export excess electricity to the grid.

    Pre the ’70s oil shock they deliberately ran inefficient low pressure boilers to dispose of as much bagasse as possible. They still had to dump some. The cane of the day was as thick as a cane cutter’s arm and ten feet tall, it was also low CCS [sugar content] so there was a lot of fibre to burn. In the early ’60s however the sugar cane research mob, BSES, had developed Q47, a much smaller, higher CCS variety so the bagasse was reduced. I have not been near a sugar mill in decades but new varieties are always being developed and CCS is still God.

    The oil crises caused the mills to avoid running their mills on oil during the commissioning at the start of each crush by storing bagasse from one crush to the next, the lighter cane meant they needed better boilers and then when the electricity industry offered a feed in price [they hadn't always] the mills had yet another incentive to improve their boilers.

    I don’t see a niche to be filled.

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      Hanrahan

      A question for TonyfromOz:

      A dozen or more sugar mills sell power to AEMO during the crush which must be due to start. Where does this show in the generation charts?

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    Where is kk? I need lotsa helps!

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    TdeF

    You have to love the Johannes Leak cartoon in the Australia. ABC journalists learning how to report. An Australian says the three major problems he sees are “Power prices, Crime and Immigration” which are interpreted by the Lecturerer as “There you have it. Climate Change, Police brutality and Racism”.

    If Pauline Hanson really wants to make a difference, demand the repeal of the RET, Renewable Energy(Electricity) Act 2000. It is the only reason AGL want to blow up Liddell. It is the entire reason people put in solar panels, using other people’s money. The idea that they get paid cash for unwanted lunchtime power is ridiculous. Worse, there is no saving for them if power prices double and triple, the direct consequence of coping with useless solar panels and a huge ripoff for everyone else.

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