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Forget geoengineering planet, lets drug and modify humans instead — Shrink your kids

Can’t persuade people? Drug ‘em.

Tony Thomas finds an academic (Matthew Liao) who suggests that given the climate change risk it might be more ethical to shrink our kids by 6 inches, or drug people with oxytoxin to make them more compliant. Jo Nova thinks it might be more ethical to fund skeptical scientists instead of unskeptical ones and figure out whether a man-made disaster is actually coming before we start shrinking kids.

The idea is that people would accept bizarre climate-saving imposts willingly if only we could give them the “love drug” oxytocin. He calls it “Pharmacologically induced altruism”. Oxytocin increases altruism and empathy, but I would guess that only altruistic or empathetic people would willingly take it “for the sake of the planet”. The rest of the population might be a little suspect that they might be more prone to being duped and conned while “under the influence”.

The initial paper Human Engineering and Climate Change, came out five years ago. But in academic circles, Liao wasn’t laughed out of town, and hasn’t apparently issued a more comprehensive update.

 

Tony Thomas spots a few ethical problems:

Liao insists his human engineering  is all voluntary, but should be incentivised by tax breaks and health-cost discounts. What he failed to explain is how toddlers could volunteer to restrict their adult height to say, 5ft (152cm).

“We think we now have optimal height, and that  we should not do anything to mess with our height, but the reality (can be) much more fluid,” he said, noting that everyone was much shorter in the 19thcentury with no harm done.

No harm done, apart from maybe a shorter life expectancy.

Other scientists think being shorter is not so great for health:

Being taller is associated with enhanced longevity, lower risk of adverse pregnancy outcomes and cardiovascular and respiratory diseases, and higher risk of some cancers (Paajanen et al., 2010Emerging Risk Factors Collaboration, 2012Green et al., 2011Nelson et al., 2015Batty et al., 2010World Cancer Research Fund / American Institute for Cancer Research, 20072010201120122014a2014bNüesch et al., 2015Davies et al., 2015Zhang et al., 2015Kozuki et al., 2015Black et al., 2008). There is also evidence that taller people on average have higher education, earnings, and possibly even social position (Adair et al., 2013Stulp et al., 2015Barker et al., 2005Strauss and Thomas, 1998Chen and Zhou, 2007Case and Paxson, 2008).

I can’t see shortness “catching on” anytime soon.

Ethically, some might wonder why Liao didn’t spend five minutes doing an internet search before publishing his work.

He said height is seen by many as a social advantage but that was not a reason to scratch the shortness-creating idea.  As his paper says, bungee jumping, tattoos and running marathons are also minority tastes but legitimate activities.

Ever-hopeful, Liao believes that once a few people started shortening their children, others might be similarly inspired, especially if given tax breaks. He conceded that poorer people are already shorter on average, and should not be encouraged to further shrink their offspring.

Drugs to give up meat?

He told his audience that many people wanted to give up eating meat but enjoyed the taste too much.  To assist, their immune systems could be  primed to react to meat “and induce some sort of unpleasant experience, very mild. (Laughter). Even if the effect was not for a lifetime, the learning effect could persist a long  time.”

A safe way to induce such intolerance could involve a “meat patch”, akin to a  nicotine patch, that people could wear before going out to eat, he said.

 

Note the powerful fear of  breaching political correctness:

He agreed that bio-engineering against obesity would be climate-effective, “but  I focus on height because the issue of obesity is very politically sensitive,  raising a lot of issues and, on top, some discriminatory aspects –  talk about obesity, you know…a tricky situation.”  So Liao put this planet-saving measure aside because of potential backlash from “obesity identity” activists. Anti-height measures, however, are politically safe because tall people are already advantaged.

It may offend obese people to suggest that we engineer skinnier kids to save the planet. But 99% of doctors suggest we are healthier if we avoid obesity, and few people voluntarily choose to be obese. So in Liao-ethics, rather than risk offending Social Justice Warriors, it is better to save the planet by risking children’s health in an unconsenting, permanent change that few doctors recommend and few people voluntarily seek.

Marvel that Matthew Liao is still in his job five years after he released this paper despite his apparent lack of rigor, research and … ethics. Is he government funded? Hard to say, there’s no mention of any funding on the paper, or for his role as Arthur Zitrin Chair of Bioethics.

But his work is a great example of why we need to get academic research out of the hands of academics.

The Incredible Shrinking Man,
Is of much shorter people, a fan,
And through drugs has devised,
To make all kids pint-sized,
Which he thinks is an Earth saving plan.

–Ruairi

 

Read it all: Climate Science Comes Up Short

REFERENCE

Ethics, Policy and the Environment 15 (2) 2012: 206-221, with Anders Sandberg and Rebecca Roache, [pdfhtml]

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165 comments to Forget geoengineering planet, lets drug and modify humans instead — Shrink your kids

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    el gordo

    “….the issue of obesity is very politically sensitive, raising a lot of issues and, on top, some discriminatory aspects – talk about obesity, you know…a tricky situation.”

    I feel the same way about climate change, its politically sensitive and a very sticky situation to discuss in PC circles.

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      He didn’t even mention the issue of skin colour.
      Clearly a policy that targets tall people is a policy that targets white people (and some crazy tall East African tribes).

      I’m not going to shrink or stop eating meat just because these dodgy foreigners are over-populating the world. Somebody tell him to get a big black dog and follow the instructions.

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      He didn’t even mention the issue of skin colour.
      Clearly a policy that targets tall people is a policy that targets white people (and some crazy tall East African tribes).

      I’m not going to shrink or stop eating meat just because these dodgy foreigners are over-populating the world. Somebody tell him to get a big black dog and follow the instructions.

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        bobl

        OMG Craig’s grown a brain and thought for himself … (Swoon… Thunk)

        But Craig your meat eating and height is killing the planet…

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      OriginalSteve

      I have been musing over this a bit today and have found many people are freaked out about the cost of energy and the slow motion collapse of our economy.

      Ignorance is dangerous – people don’t know WHAT COMMUNISM IS.

      Unless the older generation start sitting adult children and grandkids down and educate them on what communism is, how it works, what it looks like ( using the green movement to take down our economy through decimating the middle class through coal taxes and energy price rises ) , identifying the Communists in oz politics and why they can’t be trusted ( aka treason…no different to unionists who wouldn’t load troop supply ships in WW2 .) …people need to be armed with knowledge to peacefully rout the cancer of the hard left from this country.

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        PeterS

        Communism according to our Western leaders is good, with the possible exception of Trump. China is treated as our friend yet countries that have terminated their communist influences like Russia is now our so called enemy. George Orwell must be laughing at us for being so stupid for falling for all this rubbish. Not only is communism clearly bad (bordering on evil) we have too many people (like the Greens and the ALP mostly but also some in the LNP) who keep treating it as though it’s one of the best political systems around, and that we should adopt more and more of it’s political cousin, socialism. We should remember Churchill’s quote:

        A communist is like a crocodile: when it opens its mouth you cannot tell whether it is trying to smile or preparing to eat you up.

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      turnedoutnice

      Another desperate attempt to falsify past data………..

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      Santa Baby

      The desire to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it” — H L Mencke

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    RAH

    Who paid this oxygen thief to produce this worthless waste of time?

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    Konrad

    OT
    I’ve just watched Cory Bernardi speak to Australian Conservatives. Very impressive. Most importantly he is firmly on the climate realist side. He wants out of Paris, and end to the RET and is amenable to Trumps idea of Blue Team vs. Red team to re-examine the science.

    Further, he wants an end to subsidies for unreliables, government guarantees for any new investment in reliable base load generation that they will not be hit with CO2 nonsense over the life of the plant and an end to the spot price system that is causing the electricity market to fluctuate wildly with the weather.

    Cory has my vote. Any Australian Conservatives candidate I can vote for I will.

    PS. A great number of ex liberals there including former branch deputies. Turnbull has truly driven off the former liberal base with his climate drivel.

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      Angry

      The Liberal Party is no longer a voting option for Conservative Australians……………

      RIP LIBERALS

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    JJB MKI

    As usual, cargo cult academics cannot tell the difference between the tail and the dog. People were most likely shorter on average in the 19th century because of childhood malnutrition and disease – and as Jo points out, life expectancy was significantly shorter. I’d be interested to know how widespread this kind of creepiness is in Western academia – it is increasingly resembling the deterministic ‘science’ of Stalin era Russia..

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      Kevin Lohse

      Not so long ago there was a study done of the physiological differences between north and south Koreans. the north Koreans were smaller in all respects to the South Koreans, though the same genetically. That’s socialism for you.

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        sophocles

        Isn’t it amazing what starvation does for you.
        North Korea is not a socialist state. It may claim that distinctive title but democracy—government of the people, by the people, for the people— is far more socialist than that hereditary despotism.

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          Kevin Lohse

          Very few people make the mistake of conflating Marxist socialism with democratic rule. One-party states can’t be democratic, can they?

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            bobl

            Yes, they can, Here in the land of Oz we have the stark choice between the socialist Labor Party, and the socialist Liberal party. We can elect either socialist party, quite democratically. What we don’t have is any real choice NOT to elect a socialist administration.

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              Angry

              ALA, ONE NATION & AUSTRALIAN CONSERVATIVES are the only options for Conservative Australians now…….

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      Leonard Lane

      JJB. This academic is unbelievable. I agree with Jo, academic funding and its allocation are too important to be left to totalitarians such as Matthew Liao. It is indeed Stalinesque and even follows some of Hitlers master race concepts. That is if someone disagrees with your political view, (in this case don’t buy the global warming propaganda)then it is OK to drug them as the first step.
      Then eugenics is the next step. Then the final solution (Death Camps and horrible human experiments and mass murders beyond the scale ever seen as in Nazi Germany.)
      Is there anything the climate change zealots will not do?
      How horrible and disgusting that we have people such as this and willing to do these things over a failed science and a failing totalitarian movement. Simply disgusting, but unfortunately, believable.
      We know it can happen because we have seen it happen under the Nazis, the Communists, and others over and over.

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        Allen Ford

        What is astounding is that so-called academics have not bothered to check the veracity of the data upon which the whole house of cards has been built. Even Judith Curry admitted this in Climate Hustle, saying that she trusted her colleagues that their claims were based on sound scientific principles. It was not until she started to do her own sleuthing that she discovered that she had been deluded and changed her position.

        The above gabfest is aptly titled Festival of Dangerous Ideas . I would call them lethal rather than just dangerous.

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    Roy Hogue

    So life really does imitate art. Remember this one? Honey I shrunk the kids.

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      Roy Hogue

      And then there’s this beautiful, indeed masterful way of lying about the whole thing.

      Liao insists his human engineering is all voluntary, but should be incentivised by tax breaks and health-cost discounts.

      So is it really voluntary? Answer: Just like solar panels, not really, not when you ratchet up the pressure on people to do what you want them to do. And they will ratchet up the pressure.

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        Roy Hogue

        And these days every fool is an expert.

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          Roy Hogue

          I’m going to save you from yourself even if it kills you.

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          Tom Anderson

          An “expert” is someone often (shall we say usually?) wrong but never in doubt.

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            Roy Hogue

            The real experts know enough to tell when they should be in doubt and are honest enough to admit it to themselves. They know enough to stay off the roads when the storm is too bad to handle. They know enough not to fly if there’s weather beyond their ability to handle it.

            In short, they do things like test drive the car before they buy it, not after. And renewables has been test driven over and over… And the weather is way beyond these “experts” to handle. And when it all collapses around them they’ll no doubt have a ready scapegoat to blame.

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            Rereke Whakaaro

            I prefer this definition of “expert”: A person who knows, all there is to possibly know, about very little indeed.

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              bobl

              There was this definition of a PHD grad as “Someone who learns more and more, about less and less, until they know everything about nothing.

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                Another Ian

                Bobl

                Careful!

                The other bit is “a generalist is someone who knows less and less about more and more until they know nothing about everything”

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              Roy Hogue

              RW,

              I’m an expert in most of what there is to know about designing software to run my last employer’s line of expensive lab equipment — $(80-90)k boxes. And that’s about it. But I was learning up until I retired.

              Before that I became expert in the tasks for which I was brought in as a consultant, again had to learn and know a lot about a very narrow field of expertise.

              Do I count under your definition?

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              Bushkid

              An “Ex” is a has-been, and a spurt is only a drip under pressure……..

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                Roy Hogue

                It’s just a coincidence I’m sure but my father had that same view of experts as far back as I can remember.

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      I quite like the quote in Jo’s article:

      There is also evidence that taller people on average have higher education …

      Which presumably implies that shorter people would have lower education.

      I suggest that Matthew Liao has invested some research dollars into identifying his optimal market segment, and is now touting for business.

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      Hasbeen

      What we need to do is shrink this arrogant fool, by about 90%. It would make it easier to treed on him, & squash him flat, like the bug he is.

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    Sceptical Sam

    We’ve seen this before. Except it was a work of fiction.

    “..there is always oxytoxin, delicious oxytoxin, half a gramme for a half-holiday, a gramme for a week-end, two grammes for a trip to the gorgeous East, three for a dark eternity on the moon…”

    Oh, brave new world.

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      sophocles

      Sceptical Sam said:

      We’ve seen this before. Except it was a work of fiction.

      You’ve hit it.

      Liao has been reading too much fiction, and not so great Science Fiction/Fantasy at that. This was the foundation concept in Colin Kapp’s Manalone. I remember enjoying it when I read it but I was young, then. I’ve still got a copy of it on my shelves somewhere.

      I’ve never liked the way the Council always builds the footpath too close to my … um … rear end. At least all the new mothers can still see me over their new all-weather Infant Limousines, or their high-speed Sports Perambulators … I haven’t been run over … yet. :-)

      Mt Liao forgets very recent history: the lack of nutrition which made and kept many of the orient short. It was the improvements there which brought their stature to that of other nations and greatly improved their overall health and longevity. That was all in my lifetime, too.
      Those who don’t know their history are doomed to repeat it.

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        sophocles

        Liao believes that once a few people started shortening their children,…

        … smacks a little too much of the Great Texas Chainsaw Massacre:-(

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      Allen Ford

      Andrew Bolt has a chilling piece, this morning, on the slippery slope developing in the assisted suicide movement to include healthy people who want to do themselves in. All in the name of compassion, of course, but how long will it take if Mr Liao’s dangerous ideas take root and involuntary euthanasia becomes part of the deal.

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    “Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.” – Napoleon Bonaparte

    Keep talking, Matthew. We’re incentivizing you one hundred percent. You’re the youthful face of the climatariat. You’re a green dreamboy. Talk on. Just keep it creepy, keep it globalist and keep it potty.

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    diogenese2

    O wonder!
    How many goodly creatures are there here!
    How beauteous mankind is! O brave new world,
    That has such people in’t.

    — William Shakespeare, The Tempest, Act V, Scene I, ll. 203–206[6]

    I fear the Professor is 81 years late with his concepts. I read them first when I was 12 years old.

    ” The novel opens in the World State city of London in AF 632 (AD 2540 in the Gregorian calendar), where citizens are engineered through artificial wombs and childhood indoctrination programs into predetermined classes (or castes) based on intelligence and labour. Lenina Crowne, a hatchery worker, is popular and sexually desirable, but Bernard Marx, a psychologist, is not. He is shorter in stature than the average member of his high caste, which gives him an inferiority complex. His work with sleep-learning allows him to understand, and disapprove of, his society’s methods of keeping its citizens peaceful, which includes their constant consumption of a soothing drug called soma.”

    In the human “hatcheries” varying degrees of alcohol is added to the growing embryo’s t retard brain development.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brave_New_World

    The Professor embodies the tragedy of specialisation and I speak as a specialist. The tragedy is that the specialist acquires deep knowledge of a subject at the expense of understanding about anything else. Listening to him it was clear, before I gave up, that he had no knowledge of Pharmacology, economics, dietetics, chemistry, physics, engineering and genetics.
    I then realised that he probably knew nothing about anything. So, to earn a living out of the collection of disconnected soundbites (such as “preplantation genetic selection) that constituted his comprehension he, following the example of Lewendowsky, he created an “expertise” he called “Bio ethics”. This seems to be a kind of philosophy genetically modified to remove any concept of the human being as a sapient organism, the reduction ad absurdum of dialectical materialism. And how absurd he was, frequently reducing the audience (largely of warmists judging by the event) to hysterical laughter.
    “He is on the up, this guy. He is on the up”.
    At least we know his other speciality – Auto-proctology.

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      jorgekafkazar

      Indeed. Cranial auto-proctology.

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      I fear the Professor is 81 years late with his concepts.

      Well, the original book is out of copyright. So perhaps Matthew Liao is plagiarising it in developing his thesis?

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    OriginalSteve

    Hmmm…so all children become untermunchen……

    Eugenics by another name.

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      DaveR

      Spot on Original Steve.

      The reappearance of eugenics – this time by a new crowd of fanatics but with the same actions – ethics cast aside for the cause.

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        Manfred

        There’s also ‘evidence’ to suggest those wearing glasses ARE smarter.
        Still, Einstein at 171,5 cm was no giant, nor did he wear glasses (until later in life).
        Yep, eugenics; it never quite seems to go away does it?

        The attempt of simplification and generalisation … two horrible, unscientific and irrational approaches seeking to join complex arrangements of dots with lines, creating the appearance of order in chaos, or in the repellent case of Matthew Liao, articulating a ‘justifiable’ scenario.
        As I’ve mentioned before, the societal tolerance for ideology masquerading as morality is the very gravest of red flags.

        If Matthew Liao had spent the same effort on analyzing the climatism brainwashing he received at school and university as he did on this immoral, unscientific work, perhaps his conclusions would be different? He epitomizes the useful idiot.

        Charles Murray (The Bell Curve) stated in, ‘‘The Bell Curve’ 20 years later: A Q&A with Charles Murray by Natalie Goodnow,

        Predicting the course of society is chancy, but certain tendencies seem strong enough to worry about:

        An increasingly isolated cognitive elite.
        A merging of the cognitive elite with the affluent.
        A deteriorating quality of life for people at the bottom end of the cognitive distribution.

        Unchecked, these trends will lead the U.S. toward something resembling a caste society, with the underclass mired ever more firmly at the bottom and the cognitive elite ever more firmly anchored at the top, restructuring the rules of society so that it becomes harder and harder for them to lose. (p. 509)

        In the 1970′s Alvin Toffler’s ‘Future Shock’ highlighted that society would divide into those capable to handling information and those incapable of the same. How extraordinarily prescient.

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          Leonard Lane

          Manfred. How far is it from deplorable and irredeemable to eugenics? We sure dodged bullets by turning Gore and Hillary away from the White House.

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      Glen Michel

      A lower order of Monks! Untermunchen.??

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    Greg

    I wonder if he got his ideas from North Korea, small carbon footprint, shrinking people. The average North Korean is 5 inches shorter than their Southern cousins, and they had to lower their army height requirement to less than 5 ft tall. If we let the global warming fanatics have their way and most of the worlds population is starving like the North Koreans, we will all shrink too. Al Gore could stand to lose more than 6 inches around the waistline mind you.

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      diogenese2

      consider the public health benefits.
      the Peoples Republic of North Korea has only one obese person. The dear leader has taken upon himself the sin of gluttony to spare the people. The communist expression of vicarious atonements – for the sinners Mercy without Justice – but for the righteous leader Justice without Mercy.

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      North Korea; the longest lived socialist country on the planet. It’s bad enough that many don’t learn from history and even worse that current events are no better at teaching the pitfalls of a warped reality.

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        sophocles

        North Korea is not a “socialist” country. it is an out and out dictatorship, a despotic tyranny.
        It might call itself “socialist” but that is the same sort of hubris, as Anthropogenic Global Warming.

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          They certainly claim to be a socialist country. Socialism refers to an economic system, not a leadership or political system. Nearly all political leadership structures have experimented with socialism including monarchies, democracies, dictatorships and theocracies and it has never been sustainable. Technically, N Korea is closer to a monarchy where political leadership is inherited.

          The primary goal of socialism seems to have been achieved by N Korea, which is that everybody is on an equal footing, that is, everybody is broke and miserable, except of course the leadership …

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      They say that you haven’t really seen the night sky, until you see it from North Korea. Outside of P’yongyang, there is no electricity, and hence no bright lights.

      It would be an ideal location to have an Observatory.

      But Kim Jong Il wanted huge sums of money (in foreign currencies) to allow one to be built, on the basis that the night sky, over the Korean peninsular, belonged exclusively to him. I don’t know if Kim Jong Un inherited it.

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    OriginalSteve

    Dare I remind the climate lunatics in the population that there is no scientific proof of CAGW, and as such any attempt to force pseudo Nazi science upon anyone will be vigorously resisted by all means necessary.

    Its something these dingbats need to get through their very thick skulls…..

    One of my very intelligent relatives is a greens voter…i have no idea why…maybe because they are an arty-farty ( as the engineers at uni used to rightly call them….) aka intelligent but not smart and completely clueless….

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      History would suggest that the vast numbers of people, who were unaffected by the “pseudo Nazi science”, managed to find endless reasons to be looking somewhere else.

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    TdeF

    Loony ideas, but you have to see China. 37 Million people in Shanghai and growing 20% a year! (officially only 10 million) That’s a Melbourne every year. Land is precious. Australians generally have no idea how crowded the world is now.

    Consider the Wikipedia list of China’s biggest cities 16 cities bigger than Shanghai, which is only shown at 10 million people. Like New Yorks and Chicago, it depends where you stop counting. 20 Cities of Melbourne/Sydney size. A hundred Adelaides.

    Remember most people still live in the country!

    So what seems so crazy in a world with so much room, is that China and India are bursting at the seams. So is Japan which is only the size of Victoria with 10x as many people and only 10% of the land is arable. There is not enough food. Italy too cannot cope with the swarming African masses who want to be fed, clothed, housed and entertained and have access to modern services.

    It is not about Climate Change. It is about overpopulation. As I keep stating, only 2% of the world’s population live down here. Even the crowds in Rome and Paris are overwhelming now, from when I was first there. The lovely South of France is now packed solid.

    While making people shorter is lunatic and for the last 10,000 years people rarely ate meat, there is a problem. If the $1.5Trillion spent annually on fixing a non existent problem was spent on addressing overpopulation, contraception and standards of living, it would be a far better way to address the future. More windmills anyone?

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      TdeF

      Wikipedia does show Shanghai as #2, at 36million people. There is a band of tall public buildings about 30km out in a circle. I saw them from the air. The buildings are 22 stories high in blocks 10×20, a bit of grass and then another block in a large arc around Shanghai. Say 100 people per floor, 2200 per building, 440,000 per block, scores of blocks. Perhaps 10 million people in an arc. You can see why they are talking about solutions, no matter how crazy.

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        TdeF

        The only two proven solutions for stopping exponential population growth are wealth and education. So Western Europe is filling their immediate neighbourhood with windmills when they do not need them. With only 5% of the world’s population, they are trying to protect their own environment, not that of anyone else. That is not only shortsighted and selfish, it is logically absurd. Perhaps the most appalling example is South Australia blowing up power plants and living by candlelight. Why?

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        ace

        36 million is a Canada a year. That’s one Celine Dion or Justin Bieber a year.

        Just sayin’.

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      Rod Stuart

      The population density of Manila is 43,000 per square kilometer.
      Not desirable to be certain, but it is possible to live at that density.
      This means that at that density, the entire population of the globe could live in Tasmania and Ireland, leaving the rest of the planet for food production (and waste disposal I suppose).
      The world is not over-populated.

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        TdeF

        True. It was overpopulated at 2.5billion. Now over 7 billion. However the population pressures are much greater and people are moving to mega cities. Meat is rare again, which would please some. You cannot imagine the world’s big cities now without abundant electricity, petrol and gas which is the real concern. You need them for transport, lighting, sewage, food. In the US, six million trucks roll through the night, every night. Tesla trucks?

        The only adequate sources of substantial and constant power on demand are coal, oil, gas and nuclear. All will run out, at least without breeder reactors. Then we have a problem and it will not be solved by windmills and solar panels. So what is the world spending on? More windmills and solar. Solar doesn’t work at night, under clouds, in mid winter. Neither can ever be baseload, despite the absurd insistence of AGL in Australia, a gas company. The peak demand time is 6pm. That’s when they turn on hydro and gas turbines.

        It’s one thing to calculate that technically the world is not overcrowded. It’s quite another to live in a city of 40 million people. The life of a battery hen would seem familiar.

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        Manfred

        The area of Texas is about 262,000 mi2. Dividing this figure by the current human population of 7 billion leaves each person with less than 100 square meters, a small plot the size of a big room about 10 m x 10 m.

        An olde chestnut, but it serves its purpose.

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    OriginalSteve

    Hmmm …another thought…the lunatic NWO crowd are also happy to put people onto a non meat diet to save their mythical “Gaia”…. I guess their crazy thoughts can be a bit hit and myth….bar had….

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      OriginalSteve

      Rotten auto correct….

      Har har!

      You can see how the elite kite fly ideas via academics….

      Eugenics…vegetarianism…human impact on “Gaia” reduction by forced regression of human development …. Huxley was a NWO shill as well…they are all connected.

      Don’t forget the ultimate aim if the NWO is a global 500 million population of slaves for the elite after the rest of the population has been culled by war and/or deliberate disease….

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    Lionell Griffith

    Still more demonstration that the thinking is that brute force is the answer to all problems. You don’t need to think. You don’t need to discover. You don’t need to know. All you need to do is have enough thugs apply enough whips on backs, boots on necks, and guns to the head and you can magically make anything happen. That is what ever you whim without consideration of how mismatched to reality it is. If reality doesn’t cooperate, nuke reality. Teach it a lesson on how to obey its master. Then if that doesn’t work, apply more brute force. Rinse and repeat with still ever more brute force.

    Blank out that every civilization that has collapsed, tried exactly the same thing and ultimately met only poverty, despair, death, and destruction. The dirty little secret is that is their goal. If it weren’t they would not have repeated it so often since long before recorded history. But, they think, that was then and now it is different, their gang of thugs know better how to do it.

    The only difference is they have more destructive tools and can destroy more things faster and kill more people with less effort. They will reap only poverty, despair, death, and destruction.

    Why are we still feeding them?

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      OriginalSteve

      People are smarter these days, and will fight back very hard. Pity the NWO fools who might try this in the USA…..an armed population will put the thugs in the ground…..even dopey Australians, once they work out what’s what will decimate anyone who tries it on.

      As one ex-army mate used to say, “we aren’t supposed to fill rolls of razor wire with Semtex and hang it at head height in a tree with a remote detonator attached, but we will if we gave to….” when dealing with the enemy….

      Never under estimate a determined Australian, would be my advice….they will even the score.

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    Michael

    Brave New World! Soma should do the job.

    We were also there Konrad – great stuff – vote 1 Australian Conservatives!

    I asked the question whether the ACs should be trying to counter the AGW hogwash. Cory answered well, it was a political answer, but it was a political event.

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    bullocky

    “Human Engineering and Climate Change”
    -
    If the authors can remain completely unaffected by politics and ideology, they may find a useful reference in the works of Joseph Mengele.
    :)

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    tom0mason

    “The idea is that people would accept bizarre climate-saving imposts willingly if only we could give them the “love drug” oxytocin. He calls it “Pharmacologically induced altruism”. Oxytocin increases altruism and empathy, but I would guess that only altruistic or empathetic people would willingly take it “for the sake of the planet”. The rest of the population might be a little suspect that they might be more prone to being duped and conned while “under the influence”.”

    Some people are oversensitive to oxytocin, and others are far too empathic, the most danger comes from those who are both. Many of these people are best avoided as sources of reason as they are easily swayed but the stupidity spouted by the many illogical people of the world. (The Craig Thomas’, TwinOtter’s, Appell’s etc., of this world are fine examples here ), loud-mouthed, opinionated, and propelled by the consensus, they’re as beneficial as a 1980s doctor’s advice on the treatment of stomach ulcers.

    There are however many people who are mildly autistic, and as such require their world to make sense more than be sociable. They are less socially aware, more apt to put their foot in it socially, less conscious of personal criticisms.
    Those with mild autism will save you from Matthew Liao’s nightmare scenario, so before you act listen to them no matter how much you dislike their message, they may be correct. Look at ChiefIO site, a person who embraces his mild autism for the benefit of all.
    Make friends with the mildly autistic and open your world to the less feely-touchy vistas of life, with less guilt about getting it (whatever) wrong.

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    John Smith

    A regulation that would apply only to the little people.
    Literally.
    At least they’re being honest for once.

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    John Smith

    A regulation that would apply only to the little people.
    Literally.
    At least they’re being honest for once.

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    jorgekafkazar

    The Fascism is strong in this one.

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    Agammamon

    noting that everyone was much shorter in the 19thcentury with no harm done.

    This guy . . . he doesn’t know that people were much shorter in the 19th century due to nutritional deficiencies and that that came with significant problems – lower intelligence among them.

    But maybe he sees that as a feature instead of a bug – he and his descendants as Eloi ruling over Morlocks or something.

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    Dave in the States

    Is this for real? Oxytocin is a female sex hormone. It is often administered by vets to mares to help them shed the placenta after giving birth, if they retain the placenta for too long.

    The initial paper Human Engineering and Climate Change, came out five years ago. But in academic circles, Liao wasn’t laughed out of town,……

    This is very telling about the planet savers: that these “altruistic” academics don’t find this as offensive as the rest of humanity.

    I won’t mention any names, but my first thoughts when I read this were of a certain doctor, alias a Swiss tractor salesmen, that finally got justice when he had a stroke while swimming in the ocean off the coast of South America.

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    Gbees

    I’m thinking this all sounds quite creepy. Sounds like a paper Joesph Mengele might have written.

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    Reed Coray

    This may have been asked by a previous commenter, but I’d like to know exactly which six inches Mr. Liao plans to shrink.

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    Robdel

    Shrinking the body horizontally rather than vertically may be more effective. That would fix chronic obesity too.

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    William

    Children, finally we have made it to Jonestown, lets go and see uncle Jim and have a lovely refreshing glass of climate cool-ade!

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    Gaz

    Beware the issue of unwelcome consequences!
    Have we noticed that, as a species, politicians tend to be short. We may end up with many more aspiring politicians.

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    Ruairi

    The Incredible Shrinking Man,
    Is of much shorter people, a fan,
    And through drugs has devised,
    To make all kids pint-sized,
    Which he thinks is an Earth saving plan.

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    nicholas tesdorf

    Warmistas could bring themselves closer to the five foot ideal height by voluntarily removing their heads. This could dramatcally improve society and the health of the Planet.

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    David Maddison

    The real agenda of the Left is reducing population numbers. Downsizing people is just the softer way to introduce their ultimate goal of the destruction of most of humanity, with the exception of a small number of elites and slaves to serve them.

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      Yonniestone

      Thus becoming the very thing they proclaim to despise.

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      If only that were so.
      But, instead, the UN continues shipping vast tonnages of food aid to places that are over-populated instead of allowing nature to take its course, let alone doing something to actively reduce population numbers, something that is sorely needed.

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        el gordo

        ‘….something that is sorely needed.’

        The world is not over populated and those Africans who breed like rabbits at the moment can be converted into nuclear families, after Beijing turns them into a middle class.

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        Greg Cavanagh

        let alone doing something to actively reduce population numbers, something that is sorely needed.

        I hope you didn’t mean it to come out this way Craig. Would you care to rephrase this?

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        bobl

        So Craig, you advocate that we should just let the hungry black babies die, instead of feeding them… for the sake of the planet of course. Why not just lead them into gas chambers instead Craig?

        So enlightened aren’t you.

        Jo, I am surprised you let Craig’s racist comment stand given 18C perhaps you should reconsider?

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    tom0mason

    OT,
    Dr. Evans may find this of interest –

    I find this paper probably the most interesting when it comes to solar and galactic cycles , dust effects on Greenland ice, and their effects on global climate overall.
    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1674987116300305
    Modulation of ice ages via precession and dust-albedo feedbacks
    by Ralph Ellis, Michael Palmer (with special thanks to Prof. Michael Palmer and also Prof. Clive Best, who supplied the summary graphic in Fig. 14.)

    China University of Geosciences (Beijing) published Geoscience Frontiers.
    DOI: 10.1016/j.gsf.2016.04.004

    An interglacial is only initiated when eccentricity is rising and northern Great Summer Milankovitch insolation is enhanced. Following this temporary warm period, the rate of polar ice regrowth and its associated increase in albedo, controls the cooling-rate of the oceans and climate. These steadily reducing temperatures control the equally steady oceanic absorption and sequestration of atmospheric CO2, which in turn eventually controls the exponential increase in dust production, which then lowers ice-sheet albedo and primes the world for another interglacial warming. Thus one of the primary climatic regulators of interglacial periodicity is the steady rate of increase in polar ice extent. And since it takes about 70 kyr before the ice-sheets are large enough for temperatures and CO2 to reach a minima, this coincidentally places the increased dust production era close to the next eccentricity minima.
    Thus the rate of ice-sheet regrowth plays a key role in determining the w100kyr length of the glacial cycle. If temperatures and CO2 have not reached their critical minimum values before the onset of an eccentricity-enhanced Great Summer, there would be no dust-ice albedo feedbacks. And so the world would wait patiently until the next enhanced Great Summer, when hopefully all the participants in this stand-off between orbital forcing and climate feedbacks are ready to play their part. The glacial world’s dust-ice Achilles heel needs to be primed and ready to fire before an interglacial can be fully successful, otherwise the result is merely a ‘flash in the pan’ one of the many minor warming events of no consequence in the paleo-climatic record. In which case, interglacial warming is eccentricity and polar ice regrowth regulated, Great Summer forced,and dust-ice albedo amplified. And the greenhouse-gas attributes of CO2 play little or no part in this complex feedback system.

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      el gordo

      Hydrothermal iron and copper deposition during the Last Glacial Maximum was followed by deglaciation and rapid sea level rise.

      Do you think this may have played a part in Meltwater Pulse 1a?

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        tom0mason

        el gordo,

        Interesting idea, I am still trying to come to grips with the full implications of this new hypothesis but otherwise hydrothermal iron and copper deposition during the Last Glacial Maximum seem plausible.

        T.M.

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          el gordo

          If we add copper and iron to salt water, would that produce CO2?

          I’m looking for the mechanisms which bring us out of LGMs.

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            tom0mason

            Indeed but one of the reasons I rather like the dust ideas is that Ralph Ellis implies that it is not a single process that causes the initiation of the end of LGMs but rather an almost chaotic conflation of a few events. To me that sounds a lot like the way nature tends to move.
            I see the Cu/Fe/seawater liberation of CO2 as just being another ingredient in the pot.
            That is without the solar/Milankovitch cycles occurring at the right moment as the dust on ice build-up could the Fe/Cu effect do it alone? And counter-wise, could solar/Milankovitch cycle occurring at the right moments as the dust build-up effect such exits alone?
            Or maybe there is some other feedback process(es) yet to be identified that governs all of it?

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              el gordo

              A CO2 recovery from the LGM now looks like a distant proposition.

              ‘On centennial timescales, the higher LGM dust deposition results in a weak reduction of <10 ppm in atmospheric CO2 due to enhanced efficiency of the biological pump. This is followed by a further ~10 ppm reduction over millennial timescales due to greater carbon burial and carbonate compensation.'

              Lambert et al 2015

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              el gordo

              Iron dust in the Southern Ocean at the LGM would have created a vast algae bloom, which would have drawn down what little atmospheric CO2 was still around.

              its on the agenda of geoengineering toilers, like the Royal Society.

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              el gordo

              I’ll have to go with the low albedo, makes a lot of sense, and Milankovitch remains the paradigm for the big picture.

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    Right now there is a powerful and controlled movement away from shabby old democracy toward technocratic rule and top-down intellectualism. The movement requires the breakdown of the shabby old nation state and the “empowerment” of regions and locales within “community”. There are to be empire and oligarchy in the future, but with nicer names and rallying cries like “fairness” and “sustainability”.

    These will be of a much more penetrating sort than the empires and oligarchies which only saw their remote subjects and outliers at tax or recruitment time. It will be empire and oligarchy electronically installed from your car seat to your toilet seat, whether you live hard by the palace or on the remotest mountain ridge (but they’d prefer you hard by some mini-palace in some mini-city, if it’s all the same).

    The reason we have to cling to shabby old democracy and the shabby old nation state can be summed up in two words: Matthew Liao.

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    Sparks

    I’ve been blocked from posting my opinion on most sceptical man made global warming sites anyway! if they aren’t doing drugs, knock yourself out…

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    pat

    MSM isn’t rushing to tell this good news story; no comments at DM, even tho google results state it went up “1 day ago”. is DM hiding it?

    28 Jul: UK Daily Mail: A foodgrain spectacular! India’s ‘life-giving southwest monsoon’ is great news for farmers and the economy
    by Daily Mail bureau
    Attributed to the absence of El Nino – a global phenomenon which generally causes rains to dry up in India – the life-giving ‘southwest monsoon’ has performed brilliantly so far.
    As per the India Meteorological Department (IMD), the cumulative rainfall received across the country was 103 per cent of the benchmark Long Period Average (LPA)…

    As per available statistics, due to normal rainfall last year, the country’s food grains production in 2016-17 crop year (July-June) is estimated to reach a record of 273.38 million tonne (MT), 8.7 per cent more than the previous year…
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome/indianews/article-4737648/India-s-life-giving-monsoon-great-news-farmers.html

    29 Jul: FinancialExpressIndia: Sandip Das: Foodgrain output in India may hit record, all set to keep inflation low
    Because of normal rainfall last year, the country’s foodgrain production in the 2016-17 crop year is estimated to reach an all-time record of 273.38 mt, which is 8.7% more than the previous year. The acreage under cotton too has risen sharply by more than 20% to 111.55 lakh hectares, up from 92.33 lakh hectares last year. Gross value added in the farm and allied sector grew an impressive 4.9% in 2016-17, against just 0.7% in the previous year, thanks to a bumper harvest after two straight years of drought.

    According to the India Meteorological Department (IMD), the cumulative rainfall received so far across the country has been 104% of the benchmark long period average (LPA). However, northwest India has received ‘excess’ rainfall of 117% and central India has a share of 113% of LPA. In the case of southern peninsula, the rainfall so far has been 84% of LPA while only the in east and northeast region has there been ‘below normal’ rainfall at 94% of LPA.
    http://www.financialexpress.com/india-news/foodgrain-output-in-india-may-hit-record-all-set-to-keep-inflation-low/785181/

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    pat

    more potentially good news:

    27 Jul: Wapo: An appeals court just pressed pause on the much-watched youth climate lawsuit against Trump
    By Chelsea Harvey
    This story has been updated.
    A landmark climate change lawsuit, brought against the federal government by 21 children, has encountered yet another hurdle on its way to trial. A higher court has just stepped in and ordered a temporary stay on the proceedings while it considers an unusual petition from the Trump administration that could prevent from the case from moving forward at all…
    But the federal government has been steadily working to stop the case from progressing. The petition for a writ of mandamus is the latest of several measures taken by the Justice Department, including a motion under the Obama administration to have the case dismissed, denied by a federal judge in November, and a subsequent motion under the Trump administration to have this ruling overturned, also denied…

    The petition for writ of mandamus, widely considered the “Hail Mary” of legal procedures, is the last measure that could potentially stop the case from going to trial. The request is an “extraordinary” move, according to James May, a law professor and chief sustainability officer at Widener University who is not involved with the lawsuit, and even considering it would be an unusual decision on the part of the 9th Circuit.

    In fact, ordering a stay on the lawsuit’s proceedings is a rare move in and of itself, he said. Courts of appeal typically don’t get involved in lower courts’ affairs until the proceedings have progressed to trial, or at least “to a point where there’s something to review,” he told The Washington Post. While he noted that it’s impossible to predict what the Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit will decide to do next, he added that he doesn’t feel the order is a “positive development” for the plaintiffs…

    But (chief counsel for the plaintiffs and director of advocacy organization Our Children’s Trust Julia) Olson remains optimistic.
    “I don’t think it’s a setback at all,” she said. “And all it means is that they are preparing an order on the Department of Justice’s request for the court to take up this writ of mandamus and motion for a stay. The court has a duty to consider these motions and decide them, and that’s what it’s doing right now.”…
    3 COMMENTS ONLY, INCLUDING:
    ***DCGadfly: “And the children shall lead them.” The Trump Administration is rightfully afraid of the children.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/07/27/an-appeals-court-just-pressed-pause-on-the-much-watched-youth-climate-lawsuit-against-trump/?utm_term=.9832b7cf10ec

    ***DCGadfly obviously didn’t notice Obama also fought to have the case dismissed! nothing politically partisan about CAGW.

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    el gordo

    The US still exhibits a refreshing democracy, which overcame the Clinton and Bush establishments.

    The westminster system in Australia leaves a lot to be desired, no charismatic leader will emerge from this political dung heap.

    As a political science exercise, how do you visualise Australia in 2050?

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      Rod Stuart

      Life will be short, poor, and brutish except for the elite.

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        …and also except for the off-grid.

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          Greg Cavanagh

          When I retire in a couple years time, I’m going to try to replace electricity wherever possible. I’ll still be connected, but I’m sure I can find a lot of alternatives for lighting, heating and cooking.

          I’ll design my own house too, so sun and wind will be an important component of the design. Cool in summer, warm in winter, shaded windows, indoor-outdoor living areas.

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            Rod Stuart

            I am quite certain that a building built to this specification anywhere in Oz would require neither heating nor cooling.
            Well perhaps cooling North of Brisbane.

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              Roy Hogue

              Rod, I read a lot of hype about how great it is and how only government an force people into the right way of building and living… etc., etc. and etc. But I don’t see a single standard for these, what shall I call them, truly environmentally sustainable homes. It’s all about some expert telling us how to live.

              Oh! Let’s not forget that it’s selling probably way over priced exhaust fans.

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                Greg Cavanagh

                The article Rod links to identifies it’s own folly.

                When people first began tightening houses to save money, it created an unexpected problem. As drafts and air leaks were blocked, stale air, health problems and wintertime window condensation appeared at troublesome levels.

                Trying to meet the new “environmentaly friendly” houses, they discovered that the house no longer worked. So they had to add ducting and fans that run 24 hours a day to make the house work once again.

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            Greg Cavanagh

            Thanks Rod.
            because of this quote, I’m not for it. I want to reduce to a maximum the use of power.

            An HRV is a box-shaped appliance that’s permanently mounted in your home, usually in the basement. It uses fans to draw fresh air into the home, while exhausting stale air outdoors in balanced quantities. In fact, you can’t have an R2000 home without an HRV.

            Careful choice of window locations and size, and external shading can keep the house comfortable. Plus doors at opposite ends of the building you can flush the heat from the day out of the house. The old Queenslanders have all the correct design elements.

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              Rod Stuart

              I suppose it is horses for courses.
              The R2000 spec is intended for situations in which the outdoor temperature can drop to minus fifty and below.
              Its magic comes from the reduced radiated heat loss through glazing, the extensive insulation to reduce conductive heat transfer, and the extent to which cold drafts are prevented by extensive efforts to seal against the infiltration of cold air.
              Because it is expected that the R2000 home will be heated by a combustion furnace, it is necessary to allow for inlet air for the furnace.
              In the 1960′s in the Province of Manitoba, the government owned Manitoba Hydro had a great deal of surplus electricity. For years it adopted the motto “It’s your hydro…..USE IT”. MH put a lot of effort into enticing people to heat their homes with electricity….at a favourable rate.
              Because electric heating does not require combustion air, homes built for electric heating we sealed very tight, and in fact the energy-saving concept of R2000 might have grown out of this program. However, these homes required a DEhumidifier, whereas homes heated with combustion devices always require a humidifier. Without the dehumidifier, these early electrically heated homes would literally rain inside the house.
              Hence the reason for the HRV. It is a heat exchanger which allow the importation of dry air from outside without the heat loss associated with the escaping air.
              So, until your locale experiences several weeks of minus 40 or 50, some modification of the specification would be appropriate, to be sure. However, there is no doubt that it reduces the heat transfer rate to a quite minuscule quantity. In the 1990′s I provided space heating AND domestic hot water from natural gas in an average sized home for a dollar a day year round.

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    pat

    Shell still fighting CAGW?

    27 Jul: UK Times: Emily Gosden: Shell profits soar 700% to $1.9bn
    Royal Dutch Shell’s second-quarter profits have jumped to $1.9 billion, eight times higher than the $239 million it made a year ago, boosted by higher prices and strong performance in its refining and marketing business.
    The Anglo-Dutch energy giant’s results were significantly better than expected, sending shares up more than 1 per cent in early trading…
    Shell said the results had been lifted by “improved operational performance and stronger chemicals and refining industry conditions” in the refining and marketing business.
    The company also benefited from higher prices…
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/shell-profits-soar-700-to-1-9bn-q2t95qfds

    28 Jul: Miningcom: Glencore acquires half of former Rio coal mine in Australia
    by Valentina Ruiz Leotaud
    The Anglo–Swiss multinational announced that it signed agreements with Yancoal Australia (ASX:YAL), a subsidiary of China’s Yanzhou Coal Mining, regarding the acquisition of a 49 per cent interest in the Hunter Valley Operations coal mine and forming a joint venture following Yancoal’s acquisition of Rio’s Coal & Allied unit for $2.69 billion.
    In detail, Glencore will buy out Mitsubishi, which owns 32 per cent of the mine, and acquire a further 16.6 per cent from Yancoal.

    Glencore, who first tried and failed to buy Coal & Allied in 2015 because it owns several other assets in the surrounding areas, has also agreed to subscribe for $300 million worth of shares in Yancoal’s equity raising. This means that Yanzhou’s subsidiary will not have to gather as much money as expected to close the transaction.

    The backing also implies that Glencore gets to choose the management team that will run the mines and that it will also have the rights to market the coal in Japan, South Korea, and all other countries, excluding China, Taiwan (with certain exclusions), Thailand and Malaysia.

    From now on, Glencore’s combined portfolio of mines in the Hunter Valley will have a production capacity of 69 million metric tons per year of high-quality energy coal which, the company states, is aimed at meeting Asia’s increasing demand.
    http://www.mining.com/glencore-acquires-half-former-rio-coal-mine-australia/

    theirABC has the Glencore story as a rural piece only, attributed to “ABC Upper Hunter By Cecilia Connell”.

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    Sparks

    @mosomoso Why on earth do you make a comment like that? have you been spending time on youtube? been watching the lochness, big foot videos have ya?

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      Sparks, I’m now officially a conspiracy theorist. Please feel free to call me that. But rather than monitoring Big Foot and Lochie I like to sniff out the presence of GetUp-type stooges and shifty commenters with shifting identities across the internet. It’s amazing who you find.

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    Sparks

    little foot, just an average foot print found somewhere in some mountains, is bigfoot getting smaller due to catastrophic anthropogenic global warming? the public needs to know.

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    pat

    on jo’s previous thread, I posted a Daily Caller piece about the following:

    27 Jul: Cato Blog: Global Science Report: Health Effects of Global Warming
    By Craig D. Idso and Patrick J. Michaels
    The largest study(LINK) — by far — on temperature-related mortality was published by ***Gasparrini et al. in the journal Lancet in 2015. They examined over 74 million (!) deaths worldwide from 1985 to 2012 and found that the ratio of cold-related to heat-related deaths was a whopping 17 to 1…
    https://www.cato.org/blog/global-science-report-health-effects-global-warming?utm_content=buffere14c1&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

    coincidentally, I found this today, with the same ***Gasparrini involved. Michaels & Idso did not write about this new study. note the dodgy conclusion re heat- vs cold-related deaths!

    24 Jul: ScienceDirect: Projected temperature-related deaths in ten large U.S. metropolitan areas under different climate change scenarios
    Environment International, Volume 107, October 2017
    Authors include: ***Antonio Gasparrini, Department of Social and Environmental Health Research, London School of Hygiene & Tropical Medicine, Camden, London, UK
    Conclusions
    ***Increases in the heat-related death rate are projected to outweigh decreases in the cold-related death rate in 8 out of 10 cities studied under a high emissions scenario. Adhering to a lower greenhouse gas emissions scenario has the potential to substantially reduce future temperature-related mortality.
    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016041201730750X

    sad to see Weather Channel run with this:

    28 Jul: WeatherChannel: Alex Blumer: Climate Change Could Cause Heat-Related Deaths to Spike for 10 Major U.S. Cities, Study Says
    Researchers from Brown University incorporated temperature-related mortality rates from Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Dallas, Houston, Los Angeles, Miami, New York, Philadelphia and Washington D.C. with temperature models between the years 2085 and 2090. Their findings were published in the journal Environmental International.
    “The conversation about climate change is typically focused on the costs of mitigation, but this paper shows the human toll of policy inaction,” said study senior author Gregory Wellenius, an associate professor of epidemiology at Brown’s School of Public Health. “These results show the cost in terms of human lives due to just this one aspect of climate change: temperature.”
    In the “worst case” scenario, the average heat-related mortality rate would be 10,300 per year by 2050 and 26,000 by 2090. In the scenario where the rate of human-caused climate change is curbed, the number of heat-related deaths would be approximately 7,700 by 2050 and 10,400 by 2090.
    When population growth was factored in, the predicted rise in heat-related deaths increased significantly. Some 16,400 fatalities would be heat-related by 2050 in the “worst case,” with 52,339 deaths expected in 2090, while the better-case projected 12,300 and 21,100 deaths in 2050 and 2090, respectively.
    Just a year ago, it was believed climate change would be responsible for 27,000 deaths nationwide by 2100. According to the Brown study, that number is now even larger for just the 10 biggest U.S. cities if climate change goes unchecked…

    (FINAL LINE) The study did have some good news: projected temperature changes will also lead to lower rates of cold-related mortality, though that will vary by location.
    https://weather.com/science/environment/news/climate-change-heat-deaths-american-cities-atlanta-boston-chicago-new-york

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      ***Antonio Gasparrini was in the news on another topic recently; seems he may have an agenda to push, not only as regards CAGW:

      Nov 2016: NationalReview: What to Make of the New Study of Florida’s ‘Stand Your Ground’ Law
      by Andrew F. Branca
      The Journal of American Medical Association disgraces itself by publishing a fatally flawed study of Florida’s ‘Stand Your Ground’ Law
      On Monday, the prestigious Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) published a paper on American self-defense law so fundamentally flawed that it is hard to view its publication as anything other than an act of propaganda…

      The paper’s title describes its purported purpose: “Evaluating the Impact of Florida’s ‘Stand Your Ground’ Self-defense Law on Homicide and Suicide by Firearm” — and its implicit conclusion is that “Stand Your Ground” is bad public policy because it fosters unlawful killing. Indeed, one of the paper’s authors, ***Antonio Gasparrini, makes this conclusion explicit in telling the U.K.’s Daily Mail that “this study highlights how Stand Your Ground is likely to be a cause of the rise in Florida murders” (emphasis added)…
      The paper’s defects are numerous, but I shall focus on just two…ETC
      http://www.nationalreview.com/article/442217/guns-stand-your-ground-law-journal-american-medical-association-study-fatally-flawed

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    Shane

    The only way they could force feed us oxytocin would be to introduce it to the water supply. Oxytocin makes pregnant women go into labour. They really haven’t thought this through very well.

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      bobl

      I was just going to say, some of the side effects listed for oxytocin are premature Labor and uterine rupture, so I guess maybe 5 Million compensation each case.

      Matthew Liao can be the respondent in each case…

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      bobl

      Oh and for the law of unintended consequences, there is this. Matthew Liao can shrink our kids with a dangerous malnutrient diet (by poisoning us to not eat meat and causing widespread B12 deficiency ) but dope us up with the love drug Oxytocin so we don’t mind so much. Hmm, Oxytocin has the effect of making people amorous? One just might anticipate a substantially INCREASE the birth rate because of that.

      One wonders at the Net effect as population explodes, or maybe forced sterilisation is next on his totalitarian agenda… ?

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        OriginalSteve

        Shrinking our kids is in effect engineering their bodies as if they were living in the 3rd world.

        The NWO often kite fly their nasty brutal mindset through people we often dismiss as clueless academics.

        Now fast forward this a bit and understand why a lit if schools have 6′ fences around them to act as internment camps, and why oz which seems to have been selected as a crash test small scale test for the NWO, why its has such draconian gun ownership laws……

        Australians won’t wake up until they are in the slaughter house……

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    AndyG55

    Sounds like a new form of Apart Height, to me !! ;-)

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    Will Janoschka

    Cant wait for weekend unbull-shit… From comments at Breitbart

    “Now maybe Sessions takes over at DHS…”

    Just who would you suggest as a replacement AG? That job never needs a cowboy or marine. AG Sessions inherited 24 years of corruption at the DOJ. He knows it and P45 knows it. Can you think if the frustration both express. The very last thing the USA and P45 need is one more corrupt AG! The AG must never be accused of violating any US law. Jeff Sessions is the only one that P45 has that knows the Law like the insides of their eyelids.

    When asked by Sen. Angus King if the President invoked executive privilege to prevent his testimony, Sessions responded, “I am protecting the right of the President to assert it if he chooses; and there may be other privileges that could apply in this circumstance.”

    How can you fault someone for doing the best they can under truly miserable conditions?

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    Robert Rosicka

    OT but I just hate this alarmist dribble , SBS are having a special on California’s water crisis , no not the floods not contamination, none of that it’s about their lack of water , you know the drought .
    Government money again wasted on the meme .

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    Bitter&twisted

    Dr Mengele would be proud of this evil, fascist jerk, Liao.

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    Bitter&twisted

    Here is the fascist’s email address:
    Matthew.liao@nyu.edu
    Feel free to drop him a line.
    I did.

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    AndyG55

    About – S. Matthew Liao

    http://www.smatthewliao.com/about/

    “I am a philosopher interested in a wide range of issues including ethics, epistemology, metaphysics, moral psychology, and bioethics.”

    ethics???? moral psychology ???

    He has GOT to be joking !!

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    pat

    Liao did not come up with this nonsense by himself:

    2012: Guardian: Leo Hickman: Bioengineer humans to tackle climate change, say philosophers
    Authors defend controversial academic paper saying their online critics have misunderstood nature of philosophical inquiry
    Climate sceptics were the first to vent their anger…
    But prominent environmentalists were also keen to denounce the paper. Bill McKibben tweeted that the paper contained the “worst climate change solutions of all time”. Mark Lynas tweeted that he thought it was an “early April Fool”. It was hard to disagree…
    I then sent the following questions to Liao’s co-authors, Dr Anders Sandberg and Dr Rebecca Roache, both based at Oxford University’s Future of Humanity Institute…

    Q: What do you say to those who are claiming you and your fellow authors are “eco Nazis”, “eugenicists” etc, for publishing this paper?
    Sandberg: Well, none of us are deep greens or totalitarian. We are fairly typical liberal academics thinking about the world. In fact, in my normal work with global catastrophic risks at the Future of Humanity Institute, climate change is at the lower end of concern. Certainly a problem, but unlikely to wipe out humanity…
    I think parents should be allowed to select genes for their children (“liberal eugenics” in the term of Nicholas Agar) – the reason eugenics in the past has been such a bad thing was because it was 1) coercive, 2) imposed centrally by the state, and 3) often based on bad science. If one can avoid these problems I do think it could be useful: in that sense I am an eugenicist…

    Q: Did you predict this level/type of response?
    Roache: It was always a possibility. Our normally unflappable bioethicist colleagues were shocked by the idea of human engineering, so the wider public was bound to find it ghastly…
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/blog/2012/mar/14/human-engineering-climate-change-philosophy

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      pat

      should have noted there is a lot more to read in the Guardian article, including some mild attempts at rationalising the authors’ arguments.

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    cedarhill

    So Jonathan Swift’s Gulliver’s Travels was really a non-fiction book? This could lead to entire continental populations reduced to fit into,say, Hyde Park. If one kept a few of the large blokes around, they could feed the lot of them using just one farm and a modest garden.

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    David Maddison

    O/T

    Please watch.

    Orwell’s nightmare and climate change.

    https://youtu.be/tlnwhcO5NC0

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    Mickey Reno

    OMFG, if enough human beings could be persuaded by this Malthusian misanthrope, I would take it as a sign that human beings truly don’t deserve to exist, and we should die out as quickly as posssible, averaging, in the end, 0.00 meters in height.

    I felt so slimy after a few minutes of watching this putz, I had to go watch a little Alex Epstein in order to lose my growing feeling that all philosophy students at NYU and Oxford should be sacrificed in an active volcano.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzpdZwBS60E

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    Eyal

    I wander – why waste 5 mins. on garbage ideas like that?
    This guy needs therapy, not promotion.

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    Dean from Ohio

    This call for shorter people is probably abortion guilt popping up from enabling China’s brutal one-child policy.

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    Egor the One

    Couldn’t listen to more than 2 minutes of the bogus religion on you tube.

    Where do these fraudsters get off ?

    How do they keep a straight face preaching such garbage?

    Must the amounts of money that keeps them seemingly serious !

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    Angry

    This imbecile “Matthew Liao” SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO BREED !

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