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To vote UK Expats must register for the Brexit Referendum by June 7

Time is running out. Brits who have lived overseas for less than 15 years can vote in the EU referendum on June 23. Use online registration: www.gov.uk/register-to-vote. Voters must register by Tuesday.

About 4 million expat voters can register according to the  Telegraph and “…there are 1.2 million British nationals living in Australia,”  ABC.

There has been a big recent swing to Brexit

“…voters have swung considerably towards backing Brexit. 52 per cent of people surveyed said they were planning on voting for Britain to leave the European Union, compared to 48 per cent who are voting in. The ICM poll, carried out for the Guardian…”

Alternatively, the Opinium Survey “puts support for staying in the European Union down at 43 per cent, whilst backing for Leave has grown to 41 per cent, with experts saying the results “mask” a large swing to Brexit. They also unearthed evidence that undecided voters are abandoning the Europhile side in their droves amid a relentlessly negative, fearmongering campaign on behalf of Brussels.” It “will spark panic in the corridors of Westminster because it shows that Remain are haemorrhaging voters at a crucial time in the referendum campaign.”

 The Brilliant Brexit Movie by Eurosceptic Martin Durkin again:

The Australian Federal Election is only 4 weeks off, but is largely irrelevant, no matter who we vote for. But things are hot, hot, hot in both the UK and the US this year. Both polls are already having a seismic international effect. Can the UK free itself from the faceless UK EU bureaucrats, and the five presidents they can’t name and don’t vote for?

Who can vote in the EU referendum?

British, Irish and Commonwealth citizens who live in the UK, along with Britons who have lived abroad for less than 15 years, are eligible to vote. As with other elections, only people aged 18 and over will be allowed to cast their vote in the nationwide referendum on June 23.

Tell your British Expat friends.

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    And to think that there are people in the halls of power in Australia that want us to become a vassal of the UN and ultimately the EU.

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      Dennis

      The Australians who want to sell our sovereign nation out and place it under international controllers have been quietly pushing the agenda since the UN was established after WW2.

      An Australian Labor Attorney General (Evatt), a lawyer, recommended to the UN bureaucrats that treaties be established with all member nations covering as many subjects as possible that could be used to get around the sovereign laws of nations, if governments agreed to accept enforcement.

      It is worrying that only in recent years the general public have been slowly waking up.

      And even more worrying that the plotters are now being revealed on both sides of the duopoly that we have to choose from as alternative governments.

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        OriginalSteve

        If you look at a lot of the Australian Bills that become laws via Parliament, many of them are formed around UN treaties, which, as you say, means we are setting us up to be ruled from the UN eventually.

        In effect, the highest court of the land is now in The Hague…….

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          Rick Bradford

          One very cogent argument for leaving the EU is precisely that most EU laws have their basis in UN regulations, and so the EU is simply an extra and unnecessary layer of bureaucracy.

          Britain, the argument goes, is already governed as much from Zurich as from Brussels, so why not eliminate the Brussels middle-man?

          That, at least, is Richard North’s view

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            Owen Morgan

            The Swiss aren’t in the UN. The UN is in Switzerland. There is a UN presence in Geneva (not Zurich, as far as I know), but the Swiss are wise enough not to join the UN.

            Why did the UN want to be in Switzerland? Well, although the Swiss can’t make decent cheese, they are pretty good at watches and chocolate and they did have an intact European country in 1945. There’s also that whole banking thing. Mobutu Sese, dictator of Congo (Zaire, as he preferred), held an amount of money, in his Swiss account, which was pretty much the same as the Congolese national debt.

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      I can see a number of changes that could work here. Australia could secede from Tasmania, Or WA secede from the rest. My preference is for a seceding of the NorthWest from the South at the Tropic of Capricorn border, too.
      :)

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      Australia has already taken the first step to joining the EU – it takes part in the Eurovision song contest. Nearly won the 2016 show as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EG_Jtw4OyU

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    ianl8888

    These two events are interesting, I agree. Far more interesting than the Oz election …

    But in my heart, I cannot see the US voting Trump in against Hillary, no matter how many Benghazi lies she’s told or how many security sources she’s irresponsibly burned with unprotected emails. Interest in Trump is defined for me by the huge scare he’s put into the self-elected “elites” and vanity-driven MSM punditocracy. Their evident discomfort entertains me highly; the more they sneer, the higher he flies. And because they don’t want to credit that (vanity, you realise), they continue to give him $$millions in free publicity! As the Duck from Looney Tunes said: “It is to laugh!”

    Brexit is a different kettle of fishes. The underlying issue of sovereignty, especially over immigration, is the growing drumroll. But loss of currency control is just as devastating – ask Greece why it is not permitted to devalue its’ EU currency to improve its’ export performance, ask Cypriots how their life savings were stolen in one single night. Nonetheless, all of the expat Brits I’ve gently asked for opinion over the last 6-8 months have basically said that EU laws the British population doesn’t like will be nulled by the British Govt – gently pointing out that EU membership does NOT allow that privilege seems to fall on deaf ears, so I gave that up.

    We’ve seen comments from the Remain advocates on this website a few months ago. These comments did not address these issues either. Cassandra’s drab prognostication is that Remain will win, unless a series of severe riots occurs across Britain before June 28 (always an unwelcome possibility, I suppose, but given the current volatility in Europe …)

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      I sincerely hope that you are wrong. There would be nothing better for the US, and the world, than this shake-up. More than that, I would like to see prats like this have to live with such a reality:

      “We think it should be done. Particularly when you consider the fact that we are even talking about a Trump presidency scares the daylights out of most people,” Senator Di Natale said.

      http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-05/trump-scares-daylights-out-of-me-di-natale-says/7478920

      I just love how the Greens seem to think that they speak for the majority on every issue.

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        I would vote for anyone that would scare the daylights of any Green leader.

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        ianl8888

        Well, yes – but that’s the point of my second paragraph above. Trump’s appeal to a large segment of the population scares leftoids even more witless than they are normally.

        Cassandra’s dispiriting view is that fear of populist change will prevail … Mitt Romney was right.

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      gnome

      So tell us, very honestly, when the whole thing started, did you, deep in your heart of hearts, see Trump becoming the Republican nominee for President?

      Why, if you were so wrong then, do you think you are right now?

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        graphicconception

        … did you … see Trump becoming the Republican nominee …?

        That to me is the vital point. Even the Republican hierarchy did not like Trump yet here he is. That is not an accident but the will of the people. So whatever you may think he has support.

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    Reed Coray

    I never understood why a Brit would want to be subjugated to the rule of people from mainland Europe. The languages are different, the currencies are different, the cultures are different, the work ethics are different. It never made sense to me. But then, I’ve never believed in a one-world government.

    Some of you may remember Jonathan Winters–a comic in the vein of Robin Williams. Many years ago Mr. Winters was a guest on the Jack Paar Tonight Show. As a prop Jon was given a stick and asked to adlib. He went through a few routines that have faded from my memory. Then he (a) took the stick, (b) put one end of the stick against his chest with the other end pointing away from him, (c) started staggering around like he had been mortally wounded, and (d) mouthed a line that still causes me to chuckle. He said: “The United Nations recognizes the delegate from New Swaziland” (or some other fictitious African country). I don’t want to be told how to behave by a bunch of foreigners much less foreigners with a completely different value system. It makes perfect sense to me that Brits don’t either.

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      Reed Coray

      I found a Youtube version of the Jonathan Winters skit–see

      http://biggeekdad.com/2013/04/jonathan-winters-stick/

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      Another Ian

      Reed

      “I never understood why a Brit would want to be subjugated to the rule of people from mainland Europe. The languages are different, the currencies are different, the cultures are different, the work ethics are different. ”

      And a short trip into British history will show that, over time, they’ve fort hard to keep it that way. Until now.

      But I guess they don’t teach history now, even though Harry S. Truman reckoned that “the only thing you don’t know about people is the history you haven’t read”.

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      Roger

      We have never been asked and have never agreed to be ruler by the unelected and unaccountable EU.
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      You cannot put a price on Democracy and Freedom – and when the politicians you elect cannot make your laws you are Not living in a Democracy.

      Nobody in Britain was ever asked if they were prepared to give up sovereignty – we were told we were joining a common trade area. Steadily, with lies and deception, our politicians surrendered more and more control and sovereignty to the unelected and unaccountable EU. Recent history proves the EU not just to be Undemocratic but positively Anti-democratic.

      Now in Britain we are at the point where the only areas that our elected politicians can make decisions (and laws)on are:
      How the health service (NHS) works and how much we spend on it;
      How education is delivered and how much we spend on it;
      How our police operate and how much we spend on them;
      How much we spend on our military – although the structure of that and the equipment it is allowed to buy is now largely dictated by the EU as it assembles the European armed forces (one of the reasons we have 2 large aircraft carriers nearly complete but will have no planes to use on them – the EU idea is that French planes can operate from them until we get ones we have ordered from the USA)

      The EU dictate Laws to us (through EU Directives) which them Must be put into British law whether our politicians agree with it or not:

      Transport Policy (Roads, rail, Sea, Air)- pretty much every aspect apart from speed limits – even our driving licenses, tests and the age at which a driver must stop driving are now controlled by the EU – we have to build the HS2 rail link at a cost of some £60 billion because the EU decided it was needed as part of the EU rail network (UK politicians refuse to admit that publicly);

      Industrial Policy including all regulations; particularly destructive as Spain, Italy, Portugal and Greece have discovered with youth unemployment levels approaching 45% (Over 50% in Greece) and overall unemployment levels in the 20% – 40% levels (we are banned from helping any industry through difficult times or in start up)

      Employment and Working times policy ; has led to zero hours contracts where people may only get 2 – 3 hours work a week

      Economic Policy – dictated by Brussels – Note : Italy and Greece both saw democratically elected Presidents/ Prime Ministers forced out by the EU and replaced with unelected EU placemen for not toeing the EU economic policy line.

      Environmental Policy – the EU pays Green organisations millions every year to propose and prepare legislation – you can imagine how disastrous that has been for Europe ……

      Energy Policy – see environmental policy

      Foreign policy – we still have some vestiges of decision making here

      Fisheries Policy – hundreds of thousands of tonnes of fish dumped back into the sea each year as a result of the sheer incompetence and lunacy of the ‘Common Fisheries Policy’ from the unelected and unaccountable Eurocrats . UK sea anglers now banned from catching sea bass from beach or boat (£1000 fine) because of ‘overfishing’ off the British shores by French and Spanish boats. (There is no shortage of bass found in inshore waters)

      Immigration – we have absolutely No Control over immigration and the EU courts refuse to allow us to deport murderers, rapists etc back to their home country. With a net migration of around 300,000 a year into the UK our GP surgeries now have 2 week + waiting lists forcing people to Accident and Emergency departments at local hospitals which in turn overloads that system forcing the NHS into crisis. We have migrant shanty towns in the streets , car parks and parks of london; a massive housing shortage, young Brits can no longer afford to get into the housing market, immigrants are prioritised for social housing. Schools are overloaded – major shortage of space and classrooms. And the Good News (for the EU) is that by 2060 (or a few years before) native born Britains will be a Minority in the UK.

      Agricultural Policy – dictated by Brussels – food prices kept artificially high by the Common Agricultural Policy (originally designed to feather-bed French farmers) – the UK dairy industry was overnight destroyed as production quotas were imposed, these were far below actual production levels forcing the UK to become a net importer rather than an exporter of dairy produce. The french were given a huge quota and helped to expand to produce what the EU had just forced British dairy farmres to stop producing. (there were many suicides and bankruptcies in UK dairying as a direct result).

      BTW – if you have picked up on the multinationals such as Google, Amazon, Ebay etc avoiding tax in the european countries they trade in – that is because the EU rules allow them to. The EU has steadily reallocated industry and production from the UK to elsewhere in Europe through quotas and regulations – Fisheries and dairying being the most widely known.

      Foreign and Military policy are steadily being taken control of by the EU.

      The latest wheeze is a decision two weeks ago to introduce a Single European Tax number for every “EU Citizen” to replace national income tax numbers …. next stop will undoubtedly be an imposed “supplementary” income tax imposed by the EU over and above national tax rates.

      Nobody in Britain ever voted for any of that and I hope that on June 23rd we vote to leave – it may be the first step to restoring democracy across the whole of the EU. If not Britain’s culture and economy will disappear.

      The EU are terrified of Brexit – hence the threats to us this week – it could lead the way to Italy, Spain, Portugal and Greece following suit. The Germans are particularly worried because as the only other large strong economy in the EU they will have to pick up most of the £350m a Week that the UK currently hands over to Brussels. (hence Angela Merkel’s clear threats to us last week).

      The Global Elites trying to create the unelected world government see it as a major disruption to their plans.

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        Roy Hogue

        Roger,

        I knew things were getting bad for you in the UK but your recitation of the problems is a real eye opener for me. I didn’t even need to go all the way through it to feel the weight of absentee landlords bearing down on me. You describe the situation very well. When you don’t live with the full set of problems every day it’s hard to get an accurate feel for the magnitude of the problem.

        I hope you manage to dump the EU overboard and regain your right to govern yourselves again. Having only British problems to deal with is probably more than enough but at least you can vote for the people who actually govern you.

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          OriginalSteve

          The russians openly call the EU “the european soviet” …guess they would know….

          When you read it, its is just the awful relaity of slowly submerging countries into Socialist style hopelessness…

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          rapscallion

          Roger is 100% correct in his resume. If anything the fight is more nuanced that at first it appears. In short (and I’ll try to be brief) the battle is between those who are fairly well to do and whose livelihood depends in one form or another upon the EU, either by working for an organisation that is funded by it, or they benefit from uncontrolled immigration. Cheap nannies, cheap workers. These people don’t really care about sovereignty, or indeed about democracy. All they care about is money. Those who are more likely to vote leave suffer from the effects of the EU, their areas are inundated with immigrants (some of whom work), and their wages are depressed accordingly. They cannot get on the housing ladder and all they see is the gulf widening between the rich (EU) and the poor. Thrown into all this is the disgust and revulsion of politics and politicians in particular. Cameron et al have spent a great deal of time on Project Fear – to the extent that people are laughing at him. So what comes first then Mr Cameron? Economic disaster or World War III? So people are offended and insulted by all this claptrap. So it’s become another “Them and Us” battle. You can see where this is going can’t you? Finally there is the not inconsiderable number of people like me who fully understand that unless you have you sovereignty then you are free and you cannot be dictated to. Sovereignty is like virginity – you either are or you aren’t, and currently the UK is not sovereign. I should also mention that we were lied to back in 1973 by Heath who said that it “involved no essential loss of sovereignty”. He admitted that he lied in 1990. So what was supposed to be a trading bloc turned into a EUSSR lite. For many of us British, what made Heath’s treachery worse was that he ditched our kith and kin across the seas like Canada, Australia and New Zealand amongst others – an act that was utterly shameful considering what they had done for us in the 40′s. We British should hang our heads in shame for that.
          I have only met one person who wants us to remain in. There are reports of Brexit stalls in market towns being inundated with people whilst “Remain” stalls are either ignored or abused (and rightly so in my view). It is possible that we may yet lose (I hope to God that we don’t), but if the difference is only 10% then the issue will not go away, and for what it’s worth – Cameron will be toast.

          If we’re going to go down then we’re going to go down fighting!

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        Manfred

        Thank you Roger for an excellent summary of the thin plank that the UK is now walking. Whether they turn back or step into the abyss remains to be seen, but like you I hope they have the courage and sense of national identity to turn back and then, to push back, hard.

        If it comes to pass and the UK is free of the EU, the contrasts between freedom and the kollectiv should become readily visible. People may well wonder how they stood for it for so long. And it will also be a challenge to incompetent British bureaucrats and politicians who may have become accustomed to hiding behind the incompetence of the European bureaucracy. The gaze of the populous will fall solidly on them once again.

        What could also emerge as a result of a successful BREXIT is that politicians should be held far, far more accountable. I sincerely hope the BREXIT crowd push for this post hoc, becoming a movement of public accountability.

        Little wonder then that the institutionalized politicians of the eco-left are terrified.

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        Roger

        QUICK UPDATE – polls over the weekend show:

        Leave the EU at 45% (+6%) with Remain on 41% (-1%) [YouGov poll]
        and
        Leave the EU at 43% with remain on 41% [TNS]

        keeping my fingers crossed for democracy and Sovereignty to be restored !!

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      graphicconception

      I never understood why a Brit would want to be subjugated to the rule of people from mainland Europe.

      It was not sold like that. Originally, it was called the Common Market. It made sense to have a close trading relationship with our closest neighbours.

      If there were aspects that we did not like we were told that we would have a better chance of changing them from the inside. Now, many years later and after realising that we are always voted against we find that we can’t make changes to things we don’t like.

      The main problem is that the EU ruling elite have given themselves an agenda that only they seem to want. No-one else’s views count and no-one can vote them out. Along the way they award themselves ridiculously high salaries (10,000 EU personnel earn more than the UK PM – Commissioners salaries start at Eur20,000 per month + allowances for travel, living expenses, admin assistance, school fees etc.)

      They have ignored the will of the people several times and have made several bad decisions. For instance: migration via the Shengen agreement and monetary unity. The latter my well be a “good idea” but these things need to be implemented properly. The journey is just as important as the destination. Failure to realise that is why Greece is having such a hard time now.

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      Although I agree with you culturally, in the modern EU the main language used is English. Until the early 1990s there were massive numbers of interpreters employed. But when the Eastern European countries joined it was much easier for everyone to speak the World’s second language.
      It might be better for the French, Germans, Italians and Spanish to accept the ascendancy of English when British are no longer there. Then none of the major countries will be speaking their native language.

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        Owen Morgan

        I’ve known technicians, including the most brilliant specialists I have been privileged to meet, who have conversed with each other in English, because their local dialects of their own languages are mutually untelligible.

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      Owen Morgan

      The decision for Britain to enter the “Common Market”, as it was back in 1972, was made in Parliament, with the then PM, Edward Heath, betting his political career on both forcing the decision through Westminster and getting an agreement with the existing member countries (France, Italy, West Germany, the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxemburg). Heath sent a character called Geoffrey Rippon to act as his negotiator with the Continentals and pretty much told him, “If you don’t get an agreement, at any cost, don’t come back.”

      The first opportunity to reject membership – talk about a fait accompli – didn’t happen until 1975.

      Heath almost went to war with Britain’s Icelandic friends over fisheries, but Rippon, with Heath’s approval, had abjectly surrendered British control over British fishing grounds. The details of the accession treaty were not made public.

      Heath lost his political bet, when he lost two elections in a row in 1974. Having been loudly anti-Common Market, the victorious Labour party held a referendum on membership, but now with the official party line in favour of staying in. Outside Northern Ireland, I think all the main parties campaigned for membership, backed by the main newspapers and the Beebyanka, plus a swathe of industrial figures (that at a time when the self-appointed leadership of British industry looked like “The Wreck of la Meduse”). Two well-known politicians of the day, Enoch Powell and Peter Shore, campaigned for exit, as did a then obscure Welsh MP, called Neil Kinnock. Kinnock was later later leader of the Labour party and managed to wash out his euro-brain, just in time to accept a very lucrative non-job at the European Commission in Brussels. The job ended many years ago, but Kinnocchio still draws a very healthy pension from those brief years.

      One noticeable difference between the 1975 and the 2016 referenda is the fact that the In-crowd was able to make all sorts of extremely dodgy promises to the voters in 1975, one such being that membership of the Common Market would allow British car-makers to sell their wares on the Continent. The Continentals had always, in fact, been perfectly at liberty to cough up for British Humbers and Hillmans. They didn’t, for the same reason that the British customer had also given up buying junk from companies where every night was Friday night (every day, too, for that matter). Now, in 2016, we are supposedly threatened, instead, with being prevented from buying Audis and VWs, just as unrealistically. Despite VW’s trouble with dubious emissions tests (…heart of stone not to laugh…), Britain is one of Ingolstadt’s biggest markets and there is no way Merkel could try to exclude us from that.

      So everything came down to implausible promises in 1975 and comes down to unfeasible menaces in 2016. Edward Heath always struggled to open his mouth without telling a lie, but even he might have choked on some of the unbelievable nonsense coming out of Number 10 and, particularly, the Treasury, in the last few months. As Chancellor, Osborne spent years deflecting criticism of his economic policies, from Brussels, the IMF, the OECD, that octopus etc.. Now he is desperate to win this referendum, all those intrusions are suddenly welcome to him.

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    What I find interesting is that Boris Johnson is almost the Donald Trump of British politics when it comes to Brexit: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/04/michael-gove-and-boris-johnson-tell-david-cameron-youve-deceived/ and http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2016/06/04/johnson-and-gove-have-an-exciting-chance-to-shift-the-axis-of-po/, fighting the Establishment that wants to keep everything cosy for the elites.

    Where is our Donald Trump?

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    Rereke Whakaaro

    Can the UK free itself from the faceless UK bureaucrats, and the five presidents they can’t name and don’t vote for?

    Jo, I think that should read: “Can the UK free itself from the faceless EU bureaucrats”?

    I am afraid that they are stuck with their own UK ones, short of having a civil war.

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      graphicconception

      … and the five presidents they can’t name and don’t vote for?

      It is worse than I thought. I believed that we only had four presidents we can’t name and don’t vote for! It must be inflation.

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    Graeme No.3

    When The Guardian and The Telegraph agree then it is highly likely to be true.

    For some unknown reason Cameron didn’t stay out of the debate but went hard and early at those wanting to leave. All the scare tactics are rebounding and the vote could go against him. If he wins and tries and stay on with half his party against him would be very stupid. If he loses he will have to resign that night or be booted out of office.
    At least he will be able to advise Malcolm on what to do.

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      Another Ian

      Mods – cut if it exceeds

      Like the neutered tom cat that still went out at night as a consultant?

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      Mike Spilligan

      Cameron is playing every trick to get a Remain vote. It’s rumoured that he’s promised 25 peerages for staying “loyal” to him – but not the nation. We have only 850 peers in the House of Lords – so plenty of room for more on £300 per day expenses.** My own MP has changed from Leave to Remain with only spurious excuses.
      **One Baroness has only a 10-minute walk from her home to the HoL but still claims the £300.

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        Owen Morgan

        There is a chance that the House of Lords, bizarrely, will defy the referendum result, even if Brexit wins. “Only 850 peers” would be 850 peers too many. I am entirely aware of the need for a second chamber, as long as it doesn’t slavishly duplicate the first and represents somebody other than the jetsam of the last seven or eight Parliamentary campaigns. An unelected house, having already voted down the will of the elected one, may be emboldened to dismiss a referendum result, too.

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          Manfred

          Parliament Act 1911

          The 1911 Act, it was concluded, was not primarily about empowering the Commons, but rather to restrict the ability of the Lords to affect legislation. This ruling also means that efforts to abolish the House of Lords (a major constitutional change) using the Act could be successful, although the issue was not directly addressed in the ruling.

          In addition, in theory at least, it seems the Monarch could immediately appoint a sufficient number of Peers to ensure the vote to exit Europe was passed.

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            Manfred

            Consigned to moderation….????

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            Owen Morgan

            “In addition, in theory at least, it seems the Monarch could immediately appoint a sufficient number of Peers to ensure the vote to exit Europe was passed.”

            True, but we could find ourselves in a situation where the people vote “Leave” and both Houses of Parliament continue to vote “Stay” (Brussels-supporters do have a marathon-sized track-record, when it comes to ignoring the results of plebiscites). Constitutionally, within the UK, the Queen is obliged to follow the will of Parliament. I’m no lawyer, but I’d be rather surprised if constitutional law had much to say about situations where the People vote one way in a referendum and Parliament persists in voting another. I don’t think it has ever happened in Britain, yet.

            Cameron, Corbyn, Sturgeon and Clegg, in their various ways, are far beyond shame and I wouldn’t trust any of them to abide by the outcome of a referendum (unless it went in their favour, of course, in which case they’d be pontificating that it was binding to the End of Time and Beyond). All the same, I think the House of Commons probably wouldn’t vote down a Brexit victory, whereas I strongly suspect the Lords would.

            The Commons can overrule the Lords, but the Head of State is not allowed to overrule Parliament. This could get messy.

            I’m voting for Brexit, regardless.

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            Owen Morgan

            I’ve just gone to the UK Daily Telegraph website and seen this prominent headline:

            EU referendum: MPs could trigger ‘constitutional crisis’ by using Commons majority to keep Britain in Europe after a vote for Brexit

            Waddyaknow?

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    Phillip Bratby

    I sponsored Brexit the Movie and I wear my Brexit the Movie t-shirt everywhere I go. Roll on a massive leave vote on June 23rd.

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      Rereke Whakaaro

      It may not be so massive, after all.

      The British Trade Union Organisers have called on their members to vote, ‘Remain’, for solidarity and all that.

      British Trade Unions are predominantly Communist in attitude and belief and political leaning, so that must tell you something.

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        Owen Morgan

        The British trades unions don’t command enough support to affect the issue. I’m not banking on a successful (i.e. Brexit) outcome, being from a long line of Welsh pessimists, but, if the result is a fix, it will be down to the remarkable unanimity (and similar handwriting) of all those eighty million postal votes from Yorkshire.

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    Here’s an interesting map of EU pessimism in the EU. I find the map doesn’t totally agree with the article; and suspect that these may be surveys conducted quite a while ago because Poland really does not like the EU right now.

    The EU does not make it easy to check figures. Downloads from europa.eu are “paced” at about 56 kilobits/second. It seems that the latest published Eurobarometer is based on surveys of November 2015. Should you download the report, you’ll find that the majority of people in the powerhouse countries of the EU thought that it’s heading in the wrong direction (chart D73a.2 on page 88) In fact, less than a quarter (23%) of the whole EU(28) think it’s going in the right direction compared to nearly half (43%) who think it’s in the wrong direction.

    There are 12 EU28 member countries where people rate the EU worse than what they do in the UK. It’s then not a surprise that the EU sees “Brexit” as a danger to the EU as a whole. Disenchantment is high; especially in the countries paying for the experiment.

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    Mike Spilligan

    From Great Britain: What many people here don’t seem to know is that this referendum is classed as “advisory” – so our faceless bureaucrats (and the politicians with ugly faces) can ignore the result.
    In any case we are certain to be faced with post-ref arguments: If the Remainiacs win by 1 vote the BBC will call that “an overwhelming victory”, but if the Leavers win by half-a-million votes the BBC will call that “very marginal”.

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      ianl8888

      Interesting.

      What do you think may happen if Leave wins by an unarguable margin but the Govt ignores the result? (I asked a similar question of a Swiss on results of Citizen Referenda that a Govt may find adverse to them).

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        Mike Spilligan

        ianl8888: I think that depends on the margin – either way – and there are different views from my fellow Leavers. I belong to the fundamentalist wing and with many others I think that “The Genie is out of the bottle” now and we are determined that it won’t just go quiet, to carry on as though nothing had happened. There are other movements across the northern countries in the EU with strong anti-EU policies – and they may try to force something.
        We have been told over the years that the anti-movements are just a passing protest (more from hope than from reality) and that groundswell is not going away. In southern EU nations the reaction is more relaxed and the people don’t seem to mind much being governed by an unaccountable “elite”.
        I think I can forecast, if the Remain side win with an unarguable majority, that the EU Commission will swiftly put a ban on such referenda – though, as is the norm, they won’t say so in few words – they’ll wrap it up so that they (referenda) appear possible until one reads the “small print” of provisos and “ifs and buts”.

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          ianl8888

          if the Remain side win with an unarguable majority, that the EU Commission will swiftly put a ban on such referenda – though, as is the norm, they won’t say so in few words – they’ll wrap it up so that they (referenda) appear possible until one reads the “small print” of provisos and “ifs and buts”.

          Thank you for the reply. My understanding is that such “referenda” are in the process of being banned by Brussels anyway,as the bureaucracy does not like the results.

          But what I gather from your reply is that the Leave vote, if successful, will be ignored and subsequent protests just stared down.

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        Roger

        “What do you think may happen if Leave wins by an unarguable margin but the Govt ignores the result?” My ancestors risked and some gave their lives for democracy in the 1st and 2nd world wars, with my father never fully recovering from his wounds in 1944 and passing away at the age of 54. I could do no less than they were prepared to do if the government decided to ignore a vote to leave the EU.

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        Yonniestone

        Ian I think the followers of Voldemort have enough numbers now in London to be true useful idiots for the elites, with the influences of cultural Marxism the idea of submit or die will be happily embraced by those desperate to appease multiculturalism and facebook likes.

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        Manfred

        What do you think may happen if Leave wins by an unarguable margin but the Govt ignores the result?

        The Government will face a rebellion in the House, followed by a vote of no confidence, followed by a General Election and the return of a Government that will adhere to the will of the people.

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          ianl888

          Yes, the 1st 3 points seem likely

          I do wonder about the 4th point … from my empirical viewpoint, too many “ifs” in the sequence.

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      Mike Spilligan

      I meant to add a thank-you to Jo for bringing this to the attention of ex-pat Brits.

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      toorightmate

      Leaving EU would be the best thing the Brits have done since Roger Banister broke the 4 minute mile.

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    Annie

    Thank you Jo for those registration details. This is something we should have done earlier but we have moved so many times that it kept being put off as just one more hassle to attend to.

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    Check out the video, especially if you’re a voter.
    Wish I was. B-R-E-X-I-T. Michael Grove on ‘The EU:In or out.’

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/06/04/brexit-debate-polite-honest-michael-gove-thrashes-devious-shifty-david-cameron/

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      I had to turn that off at about the three minute mark, as I wanted to punch the interviewer in the face through my screen, due to his constant interruptions. I simply couldn’t stand it any longer. An interview is supposed to allow the interviewee to speak, this just wasn’t the case.
      [Editorial discretion applied] Fly

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        We live in interesting times.

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          Another Ian

          Bemused

          Think positive!

          It is the “we’s of blogs like this” that are doing the fueling for a change

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            Peter C

            Yes Ian, I agree

            It is the “we’s of blogs like this” that are doing the fueling for a change


            Jo leads the way by hosting this blog.
            Everyone who reads this blog, supports this blog and comments on this blog is helping to fuel a change.

            I think it is a vital enterprise if we are to save our democracy and achieve a better future.

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          toorightmate

          There has never been a more exciting time to be Bill Shorten (unfortunately).
          ALA for the senate in all states – please, please, please.

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        Persevere, bemused, in stages, that what I’m doing. Nuttso
        demanding as Q’n A on the peeple’s ABC. :(

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    Manfred

    Over in NZ, I listened to an British Diplomat a few weeks ago on an afternoon radio programme advising the above topic of this thread. As far as it went – fine. He then used a few minutes astonishingly given his ‘disinterested’ diplomatic status of advancing the UK Governments line of remaining in the EU. I couldn’t believe what I was hearing. The radio station host, Duncan Garner then went on (unsurprisingly) to endorse the position and has not provided an opportunity to present the counterpoint. I wrote an email, which needless to say was unanswered.

    NZ MSM and eco-politics line up behind the UN kollectiv and all that that implies. They instinctively sense that the Progressive EU is the proto-global UN administered supra-national totalitarian edifice, the grand eco-kollectiv they aspire to belong to. They also recognise a perturbation in The Force. Brexit is a sign the sheeple are waking, no less a sign than the strident Donald phenomenon in the US. Both these strike deep fear into their palpitating little Progressive hearts.

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      Roger

      I have been convinced for many years that the EU is the prototype experiment of the structure of an unelected and unaccountable global government. To see how far democracy can be removed before people realise they have lost it and cannot get it back.

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        Manfred

        the EU is the prototype experiment of the structure of an unelected and unaccountable global government

        Something I have been recurrently hammering away at here and else where, as the opportunity arises. A short while ago, maybe a couple of years, most would have dismissed the notion as cranksense at best, conspiracist at worst. It’s neither, just the writing on the wall. One can either see it or not, then read it or not.

        Watching the way the UN sidestepped the Syrian refugee crisis ‘allowing’ the EU to ‘locally’ manage the tragedy themselves was a grave UN mistake. It signaled that the UN Global Administration now considered themselves above their original founding mandate. The Post-2015 TRANSFORMING OUR WORLD:THE 2030 AGENDA FOR SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT is instead the UN document that describes the proposed goals and functional global administration of the UN. It supplants all that has gone before. Futile arguments about the ‘veto’ powers at the UN Security Council are a dog and pony side show, a preoccupation with a past agenda, long since gone.

        If the sheeple awake, and BREXIT triumphs, it may lead to a wider stampede to freedom, doubtless perceived as a titanic if not irrevocable setback by the eco-Progressive globalists. I’m just wondering what lengths they may go to try and block the will of the people, and whether this leads to a Western ‘civil World war’ … the stage is set in Europe as it appears to be in the US.

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    Andrew Richards

    The Brexit referendum is the most important vote of my life. Sadly I don’t meet the criterion of residing overseas for less than 15 years. Everyone I know and stay in touch with in the UK is voting leave. I only hope this is observation reflects the general mood of the voting population. My other fear is of postal voting fraud – it has been reported that thousands of postal ballots were sent to EU citizens in the UK who are ineligible to vote. Sad to say, I do not trust the authorities not to attempt to defraud the electorate if the polling station ballot is a close run thing. Martin Durkin’s Brexit Movie is great. I am proud to say I was a backer.

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    Poly

    Sorry to rain on the parade folks.
    Brexit has nearly no chance.
    Forget the polls – look where the money is.
    The betting and future markets only indicate a 25% or so chance of Brexit.

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    Peter C

    Wow. I have just completed watching the Brexit movie.

    It has taken me several sessions over a period of about a week. It starts off with the dead hand of beaurocracy and ends on a note of incredible optimism if Britons will just take the chance of a better future.

    I was impressed by the view of Switzerland;

    Switzerland is a super democracy…A bottom up system.. one of the least regulated in the world and one of the most inovativive.. and one of the richest and this is no co-incidence

    If I was voting I would have no hesitation in voting for the chance of a better life. Just getting rid of the euro parliament would be enough, even if my standard of living might fall in the short term.

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    pat

    4 Jun: UK Telegraph: Christopher Booker: EU is paymaster for pro-Remain ‘green’ charities
    Last week I reported how far the obsession with climate change has carried two of our best-known “green” charities, the Royal Society for the Protection of Birds and the WWF, from the aims of their original founders. As if on cue came an article in The Daily Telegraph signed by the chief executives of the RSPB and WWF-UK, pleading for us to vote to remain in the EU, because to leave would be so damaging to nature and wildlife…
    Between 2007 and 2014, according to the Europa website, the RSPB received funding from the EU of £15 million, while grants to the WWF totalled £58 million…
    However much the RSPB may wish to extol the virtues of the EU’s care for nature, we should never forget the irony of those Somerset floods two years ago. As I reported at the time, these were deliberately made much worse by EU legislation, actively promoted by the RSPB, to encourage the flooding of the Somerset Levels to create a habitat for wildlife. As 60 square miles of the Levels disappeared under water, no victims of that disaster suffered worse than barn owls, badgers and every kind of wildlife that the misguided environmentalists had wanted to protect…
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2016/06/04/eu-is-paymaster-for-pro-remain-green-charities/

    4 Jun: UK Telegraph: Christopher Booker: BBC spin hides the great solar energy fiasco
    Much excitement from the BBC last week over a report from a body called REN21 – with the headline on its website “Renewable energy surge reaches record levels round the world”…
    What the BBC didn’t tell us was that REN21 – full name Renewable Energy for the 21st Century – is the world’s leading lobby group for “green” energy…
    And, when it came to what the world is getting for this tidal wave of spending, it used the familiar trick of talking only of “capacity”, overlooking the fact that, because sun and wind are so intermittent, their actual output is very much lower; in the case of solar panels averaging at best only 15 per cent of their theoretical “capacity”…
    Figures compiled by the BP Energy Review show that solar power provides less than 1 per cent of the world’s electricity and barely 0.3 per cent of all its energy. Most of this, thanks to the subsidies available in the climate-change-obsessed EU, comes from Europe…
    Last March, the collapse of Europe’s largest solar company, Abengoa, after building two billion-dollar solar farms in the US, was the largest bankruptcy in Spanish history. Another giant US firm, Sun Edison, last year valued at $10 billion, has seen its shares fall from $33.44 last July to barely a cent…READ ALL
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2016/06/04/bbc-spin-hides-the-great-solar-energy-fiasco/

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    gnome

    I wonder which side Tony Abbott will be voting for.

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    Egor TheOne

    The only message to be sent to the Brussels Marxist Conglomerate ( the E.U.) should be this :
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/31/0e/18/310e1837e4acad7670b055c691df392b.jpg

    Who in their right mind would want to be ruled by these Commissar freeloaders to begin with .

    They preach Socialism for the little people , while they practice Crony Capitalism amongst themselves….. the self proclaimed elite .

    The decision is obvious … leave this Mini-Me New World Disorder with all possible haste!

    The E.U , along with the U.N. need to be abolished .

    We fought against this tyranny in WW2 , and now the same is being attempted by stealth , but many are to dumb to see it .

    Time To wake up and stop being told what to do by ratbags that seek only to further their own interests at the expense of the rest of us .

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    graphicconception

    Daniel Hannan sums up the situation quite well (IMHO!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YNcF3h3NgQ

    If you take the people who are getting kickbacks from the EU out of then equation you do not see much support for the Remain view. Many organisations get funding from the EU. Several building projects have been sponsored by the EU. Some businesses are eligible for EU grants. The point that is lost is that the UK is a net contributor to the EU. That means for every Euro we get back we put even more in. So these people are being bribed with their own money!

    The other supporters are the politicians. Previously, when you were voted out by the UK electorate you became unemployed (OK, you had to fall back on your non-executive directorships). Now you can get a very lucrative job with the EU, instead. Several of our failed politicians have now followed that route.

    Be honest, if you had a job that paid EUR250,000 pa plus many other allowances and favourable tax bands, would you be in favour of leaving?

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      Egor TheOne

      “So these people are being bribed with their own money!”

      Well ain’t that the truth , and not just in the E.U. and U.N.

      Even here they attempt/are attempting to bribe us with not just our own money they steal of us , but with borrowed money that future generations will have to repay !

      Most are no more than con artists and criminals in suits .

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    John Hill

    If a referendum in a Member State goes against the wishes of the EU Commission, isn’t it normal practice for the Commission to insist that the referendum be held again and again until it returns the right result?

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      Matty

      So far that hasn’t happened after a straight In vs. Out vote, only when coercing Member countries to sign up to treaties seceding yet more powers and maybe after a bit more austerity thrown in, but I don’t think there has yet been an Out vote to compare to.

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    Ruairi

    Some think it politically cool,
    To be voting for more E.U. rule,
    Who ordain from on high,
    With their pie in the sky,
    On how nations can sovereignty pool.

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    Matty

    Here is Monckton a month ago, projecting from trends that Brexit would likely take the lead about now. From 1hr 38minutes into the video at:-
    https://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2016/05/06/alex-jones-show-the-day-the-climate-change-myth-died/

    And sure enough here we are today
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/676994/HISTORIC-TURNING-POINT-Brexit-3-poll-LEAD-huge-week-Leave-campaign

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    Matty

    A more tongue in cheek stab at the EU perhaps than Brexit The Movie, with BBC Newsnight stalwart of 25 years Jeremy Paxman, https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1pGOzhhOAF8

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    As an Englishman, what I feel is that it is so sad that our country which once ruled half the world, but where now, it seems, a majority of the people believe that we can’t even rule ourselves and stand on our own feet.
    For goodness sake, I hope the Australians have enough sense to avoid international entanglements which put them at the mercy of other countries.
    I fully approve of Australia’s attitude towards unwanted migrants, we should be doing the same in Britain and sending them back.

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    doubtingdave

    The person that’s done most to persuade me to vote out , is popular philosophy blogger Stefan Molyneux , lots of interesting stats on migration here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zc_q9p9iYg , if you haven’t got time or patience to watch it all just cut to 35 minutes in and take in his stats on Greece and Turkey , if your having concerns about voting out that should wipe away your doubts .

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    Russell

    I, unfortunately, am not eligible to vote, because it’s a lot more than 15 years (46 in fact) since I left UK. I really hope the Out campaign wins the day. If the Remain camp wins then Britain’s sovereignty is gone forever.

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    pat

    ***nothing to do with the dollare rebounding? lol.

    6 Jun: Bloomberg: Pound Drops More Than 1% After Weekend Polls Show Brexit Favored
    by Kevin Buckland & Lilian Karunungan
    The pound slid to a three-week low as weekend polls showed Britons favored exiting the European Union, ahead of a referendum on June 23.
    The U.K. currency weakened against all major peers Monday after an ITV poll found 45 percent would choose ‘Leave,’ compared with 41 percent picking ‘Remain.’ A TNS poll showed 43 percent for ‘Leave’ and 41 percent for ‘Remain.’…
    The pound dropped as much as 1.1 percent to $1.4353, the lowest level since May 16, and was at $1.4382 as of 8:30 a.m. in Tokyo. It slid 0.8 percent to 78.91 pence per euro, after reaching 79.06, the weakest since May 12…
    ***The dollar rebounded, after dropping Friday when the U.S. government reported the weakest jobs growth in almost six years, leading traders to pare bets on Federal Reserve interest-rate increases…
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-06-05/pound-drops-more-than-1-after-weekend-polls-show-brexit-favored

    MSM is a joke.

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    Every century, so much time and energy and even blood is involved in dismantling German Empires. This fourth (at least) Empire was decadent junk from the start, skipping any good formative bits.

    I really don’t care if they make good cameras…Just Brexit!

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    pat

    5 Jun: UK Telegraph: Peter Dominiczak: EU referendum: Telegraph subscribers say they back a Brexit
    More than two-thirds of subscribers to The Daily Telegraph will vote for Britain to leave the European Union, according to a survey.
    A survey of nearly 19,000 subscribers found that 69 per cent are intending to back a Brexit at the June 23 referendum.
    Those surveyed also overwhelmingly back Boris Johnson to become the next leader of the Conservative Party, with 42 per cent saying they would “prefer” him to succeed David Cameron.
    Michael Gove, the Justice Secretary who is backing a Brexit, is in second place on 16 per cent of the vote, with Theresa May in third place on 13 per cent of the vote…
    The survey of subscribers found that 94 per cent will “definitely vote” in the in-out referendum on membership of the EU…
    Amongst all age groups surveyed, the majority of people said they will back a Leave vote.
    Of those aged between 18 and 44, 58 per cent said they will vote for a Brexit, with 42 per cent saying they will back Mr Cameron’s Remain campaign.
    Of those subscribers aged between 45 to 64, 67 per cent favour a Brexit and 32 per cent back Remain.
    People over the age of 65 overwhelmingly back a Brexit, with 75 per cent saying they will vote to leave the EU…ETC
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/05/eu-referendum-telegraph-subscribers-say-they-back-a-brexit/

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    ROM

    I am not sure if many have noticed but there is almost Nil comment on the Brexit from anybody associated directly with the EU governance in Brussels at any level or from elsewhere across the EU nations.
    I wish I could remember and locate the source of this observation again which I read only a few days ago.

    The commentator pointed out that Cameron and other “stay ” supporters had told Brussels and all the assorted petty dictators in the EU orbit to shut their bloody mouths right up for the more they tried to justify Britain staying in the EU, the more it inflamed opposition to the EU and the more it made likely that the vote would be for a Brexit.

    If this time around the vote for “stay” or ”leave” is close but the “stays” win the vote, it is inevitable that the British will eventually leave the EU sometime over the next decade.
    Like all popular revolts against authority and Brexit is most certainly a revolt, so far a very civil revolt by most revolutionary standards which ever way one might like to look at it, then those who are committed to the Brexit revolt are not going to lay down or go away, particularly so when a vote is close with only a small margin between the two sides.

    The ONLY hope the EU has in keeping Britain in the EU fold over the long term is for Brussels EU bureacracy to have a complete makeover with most power removed from the Brussels EU bureaucrats and handed back to the various national entities.
    And that has to happen soon, very soon.
    And that as we all well know is an almost complete impossibility short of a major revolt across the entire EU and even armed conflict to get rid of a deeply entrenched and power centralising and power consolidating bureaucracy based governing body in Brussels.

    The alternatives are for a popular anti Brussels EU political revolt across europe, not impossible within the decade as new political leaders come to power [ witness the rapid rise of the right across Europe ] or most unlikely, a potentially armed rebellion that succeeds or in this case a major sector of a governed entity, ie; the EU, Britain in this case leaves the EU and completely disrupts the old order allowing a new order to be implemented where the revolutionaries or those who remain but who are very aware of the reasons for the revolt.
    Those who remember the past will attempt to draw up a new set of governing charters based on the lessons learnt from the old order and based so as to avoid the glaring faults of the old order.

    We are seeing this loss of the knowledge gleaned by America’s founding Fathers in the USA where today’s Left in particular are oblivious to the lessons the American Founding Fathers had learnt from the harsh lessons provided by the British colonial governing of the American colonies and why they incorporated the [ formerly ] highly regarded various citizen rights into their charter and constitution.
    All based on experiences and lessons they had learnt the hard way whilst under the yoke of what became an inflexible and increasingly British dictatorial colonial rule.
    A few British politicians and a British general recognised that the policies being pursued by the British colonial rule was going to drive America away from Britain but they were not listened to at all.

    The reasons for those clauses in the American constitution have been almost completely lost on the increasingly dictatorial hard green Left of today who have come to believe those old unalienable truths based on human behaviour that the Founding fathers recognised and made provision for in the Constitution not only of the USA but adopted by Canada and Australia and NZ and many western nations, are now obsolete and should be discarded as they, the Left are the today’s fount of all politically correct knowledge and whoa to anybody who dares to challenge this hard Leftist green ideology.

    Which is almost directly repeated today as the Brussels based left trending EU which is blindly and willfully deaf to any suggestions to modify their behavior and their power accumulation tendencies and which has now become the major factor that is driving the British [ and the Poles and others now starting to line up ] away from the EU.

    A comment I made some time ago on Jo’s blog was that it seems it takes a couple of centuries before new nation with a number of different ethnicities and / or an amalgamations between former separate nations or with new boundaries is finally accepted by its citizenry as being a nation in its own right to which they belong and are committed.

    In that post I provided a number of nations that had been amalgamated either by mutual consent or by dictate [ eastern Europe under the Soviets ] but who have since parted and once again gone their own national ways, all within only a few decades of the original formation of what was supposed to be a new ongoing nation of a future long standing.

    So it seems to be the case here with the possible Brexit, the parting of the Britain and the EU which has been triggered mostly due to the complete insensitivity and corrupting influence of the EU’s Brussels bureacracy in concentrating and centralising ever more power and control over EU subjects without ever giving any say or input into the EU bureaucracy’s decisions that directly affect the EU subjects affected by those decisions.

    Brexit if it votes “leave”, might be the first of a line of others to leave the EU.

    But if the Brexit vote doesn’t support the “Leave” case this time around but is a close vote, it is given that unless there is a very radical make over of the way in which the EU operates and uses its power over everything the EU subjects touch then it is inevitable that ever more British and other national subjects of the EU nations will become even more dissatisfied and p****d off about the EU’s bureaucracy’s complete contempt for their interests and welfare and the views of its subjects.

    And that just about ensures that the British will leave the EU within say a decade, with or without directly voting on a “Leave” case but done politically through their support of a political party such as the UKIP or a party that adopts a similar set of “We leave the EU” policies.

    In my opinion a Brexit is a given.
    Just when is the only real question!

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      ianl888

      I am not sure if many have noticed but there is almost Nil comment on the Brexit from anybody associated directly with the EU governance in Brussels at any level or from elsewhere across the EU nations.

      Brussels has deliberately paused a number of niggly little diktats, such as limiting the power of electric motors in hair dryers and toasters, until after the Brexit vote. My memory says this was done on request from the British Govt to avoide unecessarily enraging the voters.

      As an aside, the “moderation” here has reached levels that promote abandoning the site. Too bad.

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    pat

    always worth a replay!

    Youtube: Who are you Mr President? Nigel Farage asks Van Rompuy
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dranqFntNgo

    2 Jun: UK Independent: Oliver Wright: Tory election win over Nigel Farage could be ‘void’ due to expenses scandal, judge rules
    The district judge threw out a bid by the Tories to block Kent police from extending their investigation into whether the party broke election spending limits in their fight to stop the Ukip leader from winning the South Thanet seat last year.
    Judge Justin Barron said the case was “wholly exceptional” and there was a “very significant public interest in the matter being fully investigated” by Kent Police…
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/tory-election-win-over-nigel-farage-at-south-thanet-could-be-void-due-to-expenses-scandal-judge-says-a7060791.html

    5 Jun: UK Independent: John Rentoul: Did the Conservatives steal the election by failing to declare their local campaign spending?
    The scale of the allegations has excited speculation that the general election result might be reversed and the EU referendum be declared ‘illegal’
    http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/did-the-conservatives-steal-the-election-by-failing-to-declare-local-campaign-spending-a7065341.html

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    Speedy

    If Britain votes to stay in the EU, then they might as well go to the British Museum, find the Magna Carta, then cut it up into strong, absorbent squares about 4 inches in size. (I’m sure the EEU would have a “directive” on how to do this.)

    Cheers,

    Speedy

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    tom0mason

    The EU, like the UN, is designed to dehumanize society by enforcing on all within it and those outside the organization, to conform to their will, their rules, their methods, their procedures.
    It matters not one jot to these organizations that the procedures are corrupt and wasteful, or horribly inefficient, or even if they are life-threatening, what truly matters to these organizations is compliance.

    History shows us what happens when people are dehumanized, when the procedure is more important than people, when dogma must be maintained even if lives are at risk from it.

    Here’s a reminder https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXwj4jMnWZg

    Over the top? Maybe but who will be in charge of the EU (or the UN) tomorrow? Who will govern the next generation and will they have a say? or will they just be left to strictly adherence to the rules we left to them?

    Two things I know for certain,
    1, ordinary people will still not be able to vote for the top leaders in these bureaucracies.

    2, I’m also certain these dangerous entities will attempt to continue their relentless expansion.

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    On my blog: UK Votes: In or Out. With lots of links.

    Today, the 7th of June, is the last day when British expat’s can register to vote in the Referendum being held on the 23rd.

    That’s the day when the people of Britain vote in a referendum on remaining or leaving the European Union.

    One pervasive reality is that dissatisfaction with the EU is increasing. Its routine failure to achieve what it says it is doing is on the nose in the powerhouse nations of the EU. Dissatisfaction in France and Germany is higher than in the UK because the European Council that decides what Directives and Regulations are spewed forth, gives equal weight to tiddlers and whales.

    Futher; when half the people of Luxembourg think that the EU is going in the wrong direction (p88) there has got to be a recognition of a lack of confidence in the EU. Even the EU “average” has nearly twice as many saying that it’s the wrong direction rather than the right.

    It might finally be getting through to people that the EU favours the takers while the makers are left to pay the bills by declining prosperity.

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    Matty

    If the EU can have 2 stooges sitting in on the G7, why shouldn’t a UK after Brexit sit in on EU summits ? It wouldn’t be half as embarrassing as this little show
    https://twitter.com/neilgarratt/status/736677805749096449

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    Annie

    Thank you again Jo for this thread. We’ve managed to get everything arranged, including friends to do our proxy voting.

    I haven’t had time to look at the UK Telegraph today but my OH tells me the electoral registration site crashed just before the deadline yesterday evening. It was a good site to use so I guess it was overwhelmed by force of numbers.

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    C.J.Richards

    ” The EU is a basket of vested interests not governing for the people at all but for a cartel of corporate vested interests.” owtte.

    “Britain will be more use to Europe outside the EU than in.”

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n0GmaDrHuQ0&feature=youtu.be

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