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    Turtle of WA

    Praise coal. What a beautiful world.

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      AndyG55

      Green too… from photosynthesis. :-)

      Praise CO2

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      David Maddison

      Coal really is beautiful but so is nuclear. However coal has the advantage over nuclear of promoting crop and other plant growth.

      I asked this once before but didn’t get an answer. Does anyone know where in Melbourne I can buy a small amount of coal like a few buckets worth? And as I understand it there are no exposed coal seams anywhere in VIC, including road cuttings so DIY collection is also out.

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        Yonniestone

        Bunnings have Hot Shots coal briquettes for sale in 20 kg bags, or try a stock feed merchant Elders etc… maybe just lob up to Loy Yang with a trailer and offer cash or beer?

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          Bill

          The province of British Columbia is being pressured by the greenies to ban charcoal to meet their green targets.

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        KinkyKeith

        Hi David

        Have a look at the bottom of this photo of our local beaches.

        See if you can pick out the two coal seams

        :) KK

        http://www.shannonhartigan.com.au/Newcastle-Aerial-Images/bar-to-merewether

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        KinkyKeith

        See top photo on rh column.

        Glenrock.

        Which seam do you want a sample from??

        http://www.geomaps.com.au/scripts/huntervalleycoal.php

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        AndyG55

        I do have to wonder what you want it for.

        I mean, that brown stuff you have down there isn’t proper coal like we have up in Newcastle. ;-)

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          KinkyKeith

          Our coal shines and is hard and brittle and looks like black diamond.

          Once you get past the weathered bits showing in the phot.

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        King Geo

        There are open cut brown coal mines in the Latrobe Valley S.E. of Melbourne e.g. Morwell open cut mine. This coal is effectively exposed thanks to the miner stripping off the relatively thin overburden.

        Fill up your trailer with this “Tertiary brown coal”, that is after paying a small amount to the Coy operating the mine.

        Don’t jump the mine perimeter fence – we don’t want you to damage your jewels.

        Also I wouldn’t bother driving from Melbourne all the way to coastal NSW to sample their exposed “high grade Permian black coals” – unless you take a maxi truck.

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        Annie

        I remember that as I’d like to get hold of some too. I’ve drawn a blank around here but hadn’t tried Elders or Bunning.

        We loved our little stove in England in which we used excellent Welsh anthracite. Wonderful stuff…black diamond.

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        Peter C

        There is a coal mine at Bacchus Marsh. I am not sure if it is still working but there is still coal there. You can contact them.
        http://maddingleybrowncoal.com.au/

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        OriginalSteve

        My wife who has been resistent to the whole “the powers that be are lying through their teeth to us about CAGW” reality, has started to come around. Ironically she works for a State govt, but nothing to do with the CO2 circus.

        One thing that swung it was that I pointed out China was building australias whole generating capacity per day and that the chinese really dont give a fats rats about CO2 ( which is logical ). I also pointed out that if the Greenies want to switch off all our generating capacity to solve a problem that doesnt exist, then it means no tv, no fridge, no decent standard of living , no sewers ( pumps ) thus and back to the middle ages in terms of disease and short life span. I presented a very stark reality check of what it all means.

        I think if we keep laying the truth before people, it slowly sinks in. Part of the problem is that most people have problems coping with the enormity of and pervasiveness of the systemic fraud required to run this sham…..

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          was building australias whole generating capacity per day

          was? Phew. I mean with a population of about 20 million compared to 1 billion, ie about a 50fold difference, it would take 50 days to reproduce Australia’s energy capacity per person and in a year they would do that 6 more times. China must be very wasteful and your spouse very gullible. No need to worry though since, according to you, they have stopped.

          Phew!

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            Peter C

            Who stopped doing what?

            I am interested to know exactly what Steve meant by “was building australia’s whole generating capacity per day”?

            You seem to understand it.

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              Gee Aye

              PC, yes I do understand it ; he either miss wrote or he is misguided or he was using false information to garnish his point. There is nothing to be interested in.

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        Bulldust

        Or pop down to your jewellers for some high quality coal. A tad pricey, mind you.

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        AndyG55

        And in the end, so long as you don’t want a lot, you could try a model railway shop.

        Most will sell small bags of granular crushed coal in different sizes.

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        Rod Stuart

        Catch a flight to Vancouver, BC.
        Then catch another flight to Prince George, BC.
        Take Highway 97 North to the Pine Pass.
        Just past Spectra compressor station 2B, turn let to Honeymoon creek. (If you get to Powder King you’ve gone too far)
        In about 20 miles you will find coal falling out of the hill onto the road.
        Please note. That’s 4×4 country, and for six months of the year take a few cans of capsicum spray.

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          Rod Stuart

          Closer to home, take the Spirit of Tasmania to Devonport.
          Drive towards Hobart, and just past Conara turn left on A4 and head for St. Mary’s.
          Drive 54 km to Fingal.

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            KinkyKeith

            I didn’t think coal mining was allowed in Tasmania?

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              Rod Stuart

              Coal has been mined in the Fingal Valley since 1886.
              In other parts of the island since 1834.
              I think the Valley Road mine, approved by an ALP/Greens government in 2013 has recently been in the news, and the mine developer has a web presence.
              Ironically, it was Bob Brown that insisted in the heat of the battle over the Franklin Dam (polls indicated 70% public support in 1978) that the hydro electric commission should be generating with Fingal coal rather than hydro. God only knows what sort of epiphany the idiot had when he hooked up with Christine Milne. Perhaps it was his spouse Floyd that changed his mind about coal, one evening in brown town on the Liffey.
              It is impossible to be certain, but it is only logical that had the Franklin and other dams been able to proceed as planned Tasmania would be far more prosperous than it is today. It was some time in 2010 that I gave some serious thought to using coal for space heating. It would be feasible to haul it in trailer loads (when compared with wood for heating) if it could be purchased inexpensively. If I recall correctly Cornwall Coal quoted me $125 a tonne should I purchase it by the trailer load.

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      Random Comment

      Miranda Devine also had Ian Plimer on 2GB this evening. The interview wasn’t yet posted on the site but shouldn’t be far away if you check here.

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    Egor TheOne

    More Coal , More co2 !

    Come on 1000ppmv atmospheric co2 levels ….our plant life and primary food source need it .

    Shut down the RET scam .
    No taxpayer funding for Renewables .
    They are only acceptable power supplements without subsidization !

    Scrap the Paris Fiasco .

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      Graeme No.3

      Igor,
      like most readers of this blog will be mystified by the determination of most countries in the EU and the USA to trying to get an agreement at the Paris Conference. Many of the politicians, partizan prejudices aside, as actually sane and well meaning, yet they ignore the damage they are doing to their countries economy and the welfare of the population.

      I think the possible answer to this lunatic policy is that all believers in Global Warming/ Climate Change are Keynesians. They believe that there is no problem, real or imagined, that cannot be solved by spending money on it. The bigger the problem appears to them the more they are prepared to spend to ‘solve it’. They are arrogant with the belief that they are possessed of a higher truth. Many ascribe to the Lawyer’s Rule – if A demands 100% and B offers 0% then both will be satisfied by 50% – which is exploited by the Greens who make ridiculous demands always expecting to accept less initially, before going on to claim over and over until the end.

      Thus the enthusiasm for the Conference. They think that huge expenditure will somehow boost their countries economy and generate more jobs to replace those lost overseas. That their original spending caused those job losses is brushed aside as they seek the new el dorado promised by the Greens. Spending money on erratic processes is supposed to bring about stability. They, as bearers of the Truth, will lead their followers through the initial tribulations to the broad, ever sunlit plateau of Righteousness and Prosperity.

      Others might see them as a pack of innumerate, illogical, inexperienced mugs being led by hysterics who’ve lost even a previous tenuous touch with reality and greedy swine seeking a forever overflowing trough.

      Nothing is more certain is that the Conference will result in an Agreement, which will be hailed as a breakthrough, especially by Obama. Missing from the hallelujahs of the gullible media will be the reality that China, India, Russia, South Korea, Poland, Brazil, Indonesia, the varied countries of the Middle East, all of sub-saharan Africa, and all other ‘under-developed‘ countries will do what they plan to do, regardless of what the mugs want.

      It will matter little as the Earth turns cooler with real climate change and the costs associated with the stupidity cause the economic collapse of the EU. Long before the expiry date of the Agreement it will be worthless and disregarded by all. In centuries to come historians will shake their heads over the folly of the League of Nations, The United Nations and the Paris Agreement on Climate Change.

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        Egor TheOne

        Graeme ,
        I am in agreement with your well written comments as most here would be .

        When our idiot politicians , even our conservatives are going along with this CAGW /CACC garbage , where do we turn for a voice of reason ?

        This medieval religion is already costing us a fortune , even with the co2 tax being abolished.

        Instead of reality , there is a global propaganda campaign waged by the many political and financial interests with much to gain from a favorable Paris Climate Hajj outcome , all at the great expense of the rest of us that are non – beneficiaries !

        It is staggering to see so many in favor that will be fleeced along with the rest of us , and all for zero gain ……no more than a grand manipulation and general eco-lunacy .

        My hope, our hope , is that this Fiasco collapses , but I fear it may prevail.

        Charles Ponzi and Herr Joseph Goebbels would be proud !

        CO2 Regulation: The Essence of Immorality
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9bEOB3x0dQ

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          Graeme No.3

          Egor:
          my apologies for the misspelling last time.
          I think we have to realise the disparate nature of those pushing the Global/Climate/Doom rubbish. The financial side is certainly the most important but even there it is split into those who want to make money and those who already have done so. The latter are the rich aristocrats in the UK who appear often in the higher reaches of various Societies, along with the offspring of rich americans (Hewlett, Package, Rockefeller, Gore etc.) who are not adverse to picking up money but seem to be trying to repress the grubby masses.
          The other side are the Goldman Sachs and hangers on all hoping to found dynasties like the Rockefellers by doing down the grubby masses.

          Then there are the fame seekers, often ‘scientists’, sometimes bureaucrats and the controllers of “environmental” groups who want admiration and power. Phil Jones, Hansen, Gavin Schmidt, John Holdren etc.

          Lastly are the “true believers” – the gullible, deficient in arithmetic, science, history and logic, who lack common sense and experience in the real world**, who think that the Earth is threatened and/or the policies if followed will lead to the New Jerusalem. These are the loudest of all (see http://notrickszone.com/2015/10/31/prophet-of-climate-doom-schellnhuber-warns-planet-in-the-race-of-its-life-moon-stations-on-earth/#sthash.1fR0v3XG.dpbs for an example of the Schellnhuber approach -God help the Pope!).

          By and large the first are giving up; the investments in renewable energy in Europe plunged in 2012 and have remained low. These days it is the bureaucrats who dream up ways of wasting the public’s money. The smarter ones in the second category are edging for the exit, putting up excuses about unforeseen factors, slashing claims about the Climate Sensitivity etc. Not all of them, a prominent example being the one who shares the same initials, although not the intelligence, good looks or credibility of Mickey Mouse. Mouse brain is still trying to bluff the advance of the tide.

          The last are virtually incurable and have to be endured until long after the scam is finished. Most, if not all of them, are on the government payroll and think they will be insulated from problems that arise. Their awakening will be bitter. Fortunately their stunted minds are easily distracted, and some will become vegans or witches, others will take up hobbies such as collecting arctic ice, but a number will remain barking but generally ignored. It can’t happen soon enough (and will in the next few years).

          ** I can’t write my real opinion of them and hope to pass the moderators, but you might catch a glimmer of what I think.

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    David Maddison

    In coal power stations the coal is usually pulverised to a talcum powder consistency and injected with air into the boiler’s combustion chamber.

    Here is a video playlist from a Turd World country of them operating one of these pulverised coal burners in the open. Safety rules do not apply! I assume these are on the smaller size as these things go, but you get the idea.

    Enjoy.

    http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=FLsPOstftao_PC0h60zs4Ugg

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      Egor TheOne

      Should aim that coal burner at the Greens HQ ……let em choke on it !

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      Yonniestone

      Turd World country

      You sure it isn’t a dung fired plant?, oh sorry I was thinking of wind or solar…..

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      AndyG55

      “Turd World country

      I’m shocked I tell you.. absolutely shocked !!

      Is a Turd World country somewhere that blows wind and the sun doesn’t shine ?

      [Even in a weekend thread our standards apply. Fortunately this is all just funny enough to get a pass anyway. :-) ] AZ

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    Dave

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    Found the sponsors of the IPCC Paris Feasting Latte Sippers
    BMW

    Avery Dennison
    Carbon Trade Exchange
    Climate Resources Exchange
    Cogar International Energy Corporation
    Autodesk
    CEiiA
    Danfoss
    Delta Electronics
    New Holland Agriculture
    Vattenfall
    Impossible Foods
    Moody’s Investors Service
    Santander
    Carbon Wealth
    European Committee of Domestic Equipment Manufacturers (CECED)
    All Power Labs
    BNP Paribas
    Development Bank of Latin America
    European Investment Bank (EIB)
    Hidalgo
    Inter-American Development Bank Group
    Invest in Iceland
    Climate-KIC
    Carbon Tracker
    Innovation Norway
    Vestas
    Instituto Humboldt
    Dow (NYSE: DOW)
    Green Gothenburg

    Looks like a lot
    But all on the gravy train of Global warming

    I’m going through the list and NOT buying products off any of these parasites!

    Expected 150,000 people in attendance from 150 countries

    Bet Malcolm, Julie & Greg have an flea bag supporters team of a 1,000!

    Really getting peeved off with this COP garbage!

    Heavy Snow due early December 2015 in Paris

    What a shame?

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      AndyG55

      “Impossible foods” That’s what will happen without CO2.

      “Carbon Wealth” AKA Goldman Sux

      “Vestas”.. Gees no conflict of interest there !!

      “Autodesk”.. I use their product.. never paid for it though ;-)

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      Robert O

      As Malcom, Julie and Greg are trained lawyers by profession (Julia was too) they are relying on others for technical advice. There aren’t many Scientists/ Engineers working as political advisors so their advice either comes from within the public service, BOM, CSIRO, ABC…., or from the lobbyists. Obviously the lobbyists are pushing their agenda and we know from publication that BOM and the CSIRO support the AGW hypothesis. The public service is charged with providing governments with apolitical and non- partisan advice. Is the government getting any advice from scientists, such as Ian Plimer or Bob Carter, who challenge the scientific validity of the AGW theory?

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        toorightmate

        Billygoat Bill and Roxon are also “trained lawyers”.
        Something is amiss in the law schools, like entrance qualities and standards.

        Spike Milligan would not have entertained these dill for bit parts in the Goon Show.

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        I want to see someone, anyone (and you can bet it will never be a journalist, because they wouldn’t know either) ask a politician, any politician, how they make electricity from coal.

        I can see the answer from any one of those parties flush with lawyers.

        Our party is the only one which will deliver effective options to counter Climate Change.

        Yep!

        That was the answer I was looking for.

        No bl00dy idea!

        Tony.

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          Roy Hogue

          Golly Tony. Something they’re doing must be working. The climate sure isn’t changing and a whole lot of mitigation of climate change is going on. So something is working.

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      Roy Hogue

      Heavy Snow due early December 2015 in Paris

      What a shame?

      Copenhagen redux.

      They could at least learn to meet only in the summer. That might even help their cause. They could pick some lonely outpost in the middle of the Sahara Desert to spotlight how hot the planet is getting.

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        James Murphy

        Good luck to whoever has predicted snow in Paris in a month. 5 day forecasts for Paris are accurate in as much as you know that the general concept of forecasted weather will occur at some point in the next 10 days, you just don’t know exactly when – until its to late to do anything about it.

        I’ve found that fairly good indicators of Parisian weather (rain at least) can be seen via shops which invariably have umbrellas on prominent display prior to the weather turning bad (even if the forecast says otherwise). Umbrella density amongst the general public is also an indicator, but not quite as good as this. Of course, this is just my observation, and I can’t really prove any of it, as such.

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          Graeme No.3

          We can only hope that the graph of umbrella users shows a hockey stick!

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            Roy Hogue

            Our weather forecasts are no better so I wonder if umbrellas work here in the states too. Where can I find the umbrella forecast? Anyone seen it?

            Well, no matter. I just carry one in the car and if it’s raining I have it to use. If not I can leave it in the car. Either way I’m covered (pun intended, such as it is). ;-)

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        Matty

        I don’t think they could survive Lord Monckton’s entering into the local spirit another time http://joannenova.com.au/2012/12/monckton-tossed-out-of-dohar-cop-18-and-qatar/

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    Dave

    Yup!

    And Dow Australia will feel the pain of my boycott of their products

    They will suffer as I change from every of their product to another supplier?

    We should have a list of CAGW suppliers maybe!

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      Graeme No.3

      Dave’
      that is the NY Stock Exchange (Dow Jones Industrial Average), not Dow Chemicals.

      It is just another one of the herd of financial corps. going to Paris.

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    Alfred

    Sea level

    Jer. 5:22
    22 Fear ye not me? saith the LORD: will ye not tremble at my presence, who has placed the sand for the bound of the sea by a perpetual decree, that it cannot pass it: and though the waves thereof toss themselves, yet can they not prevail ; though they roar , yet can they not pass over it?

    Prov. 8:29
    29 When he gave to the sea his decree, that the waters should not pass his commandment: when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

    Eccl. 1:7
    7 All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the place from whence the rivers come , thither they return again .

    Isa. 40:12
    12 Who hath measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, and meted out heaven with the span, and comprehended the dust of the earth in a measure, and weighed the mountains in scales, and the hills in a balance?

    Job38:8-11
    8 Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth , as if it had issued out of the womb?
    9 When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it,
    10 And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors,
    11 And said , Hitherto shalt thou come , but no further : and here shall thy proud waves be stayed ?

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      Yonniestone

      Well there you go, never knew there was a passage about the womb…..

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      Andrew McRae

      Bah humbug. Two can play at this game.

      And among His Signs are the ships smooth-running through the ocean, (tall) as mountains. (32) If it be His Will, He can still the Wind: then would they become motionless on the back of the (ocean). Verily in this are Signs for everyone who patiently perseveres and is grateful. (33)
      [...]But let those know, who dispute about Our Signs, that there is for them no way of escape.(35)

      This quote from one of the other Abrahamic religions shows clearly that all attempts to provide energy buffering for wind turbines are simply the work of Satan.

      :)

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        Roy Hogue

        Good grief Charlie Brown!

        If all the hot air expended on discussing renewable energy and forcing it on everyone because it can’t compete with standard old generation methods were to be put to constructive use, just imagine how many new nuclear plants or even conventional coal or natural gas fired plants could be built and put into service.

        Or… …at least have all the proponents of renewable energy speaking toward a good windmill so the benefit of all that hot air could be captured that way. And who knows, could that manage to keep at least one windmill going all through a long lull in the wind? You might not need the storage schemes.

        Is it the work of Satan or just the work of foolishness and ignorance? ;-)

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          Roy Hogue

          A man gets sick, he feels very lethargic and has little energy. He goes to his doctor right away and the doctor gives him a big bottle of renewable energy pills, saying, “Take one of these each day until they’re all gone and you’ll soon be energetic and active again.” The price is pretty steep but the man trusts his doctor so he pays for the bottle and goes home to start taking the pills.

          He recovers.

          What cured him, the pills or his own body? Are you sure of your answer?

          I’ll bet I can put either answer into doubt immediately.

          So much for having an energy crisis and needing all sorts of expensive solutions when the obvious is right in front of our noses.

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            Roy Hogue

            California (by law) must be 100% renewable energy by 2030. This isn’t just cutting off your nose to spite your face. It’s cutting off both legs in the hope that you can walk faster and farther without them. :-(

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              Greg Cavanagh

              LOL, can’t wait to see how that turns out :)

              *** I have visions of Arny walking in circles pushing a large wheal on top of a grain store ***

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                AndyG55

                “Arny walking in circles pushing a large wheel”

                The early Conan the Barbarian movie comes to mind.

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              Karl W. Braun

              I believe the call is for just 50% renewables for California in 2030, still quite an impractical goal.

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                Roy Hogue

                OK, I stretched the point for effect. So it’s more like cutting off one leg and expecting to walk farther and faster with just half the required equipment.

                But don’t put it past them to up the ante to 100%. Thomas Steyer is one of the prime movers of this, sinking millions of his own money into getting the planet saved by California alone — ha, ha, ha and ha, ha some more — and he’s the quintessential fanatic on a crusade. Believe me, he’s a hard case all the way around and unlikely to go away anytime soon (or ever). He really believes that California’s example will induce the rest of the unwashed world to join the effort when they see how wonderful things will be in the Golden State as it withers on the vine, turns brown and dies.

                The link is for anyone who hasn’t heard of him. I chose Wiki because there are far too many others to sort out. But a search on his name will yield a gold mine of hits. Or is it a garbage pit of hits?

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    toorightmate

    And a word from our sponsor:-

    The water now running into Fairbairn Dam has been provided by that notorious weather event “El Nino”.

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      Roy Hogue

      I wish it would get on the ball and dump some precipitation here in California. We need it badly.

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        Bobl

        That’s what you get for building cities for millions in a desert!. Perth here in The west of oz has the same problem.

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          Roy Hogue

          People do like the nice mild climate, don’t they?

          Humans used to build where they could raise food and get water, not to mention near a waterway where there was transportation by some kind of boat. But technology has thrown a monkey wrench into all that.

          At least Los Angeles does provide a good harbor for shipping, one of the best in the world. But alas, no water comes in by sea.

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      mark

      Meanwhile…been watching the flow of the Goulburn River under the Hume for the last couple of months. Looked like a flow of about 4kts constant…and…low and behold, the first day when boating is allowed back on the Eildon and the story comes out. 60% to 45% enabling irrigation and environmental allocations.WTF!

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        Annie

        The Goulburn river near Alexandra has been looking quite full too despite our recent lack of rain.

        We did get some rain the last couple of days…yippee!

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          David-of-Cooyal in Oz

          And I’ve had some here too. I’m at the headwaters of a creek that feeds into the Macquarie, but haven’t had any runoff yet. More rain forecast, so I live in hope.
          Cheers
          Dave B

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            el gordo

            End Buybacks

            “I personally live right on the riverbank on the Murrumbidgee, and you’re never sure from one day to the next whether the river’s going to be high or low,” Cr O’Halloran said.

            “Obviously this is creating an enormous amount of damage to the edges of the banks… you would be absolutely horrified how many gumtrees have fallen in.

            “We’re really in a diabolical situation,” he said.

            ABC

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    David Maddison

    The anthropogenic load of CO2 in the atmosphere is just under 3.5 percent. How much increased plant growth does this extra amount of CO2 provide?

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    Andrew McRae

    Miscellaneous weekend rambling…
    ~ ~ ~

    ABC headline: Voting age should be lowered to 16, Shorten says.
    “My message to the Liberal party is let’s trust our young people because they’re the people who are going to have to deal with the decisions that we’re making right now.”
    By that logic he should extend the right to vote to foetuses. Some other good comments in ABC’s related article asking for feedback, but they wouldn’t dare run a poll where they couldn’t cherry pick the balance of responses.

    Poll results on 9news, 8400 votes on Saturday afternoon and percentages were holding steady since 5000 votes:
    * Yes – young people deserve a say = 10% (819)
    * No – leave it as it is = 90% (7620)
    http://9news.com.au/national/2015/10/31/09/12/opposition-leader-bill-shorten-to-call-for-voting-age-to-be-lowered-to-16

    How many Greens policies are Labor going to adopt? First carbophobia, then open borders, and now giving kids the vote. Their support base are people who think at 16 they are old enough to make babies… as though making babies is all there is to being a decent parent! And they think that implies they’re wise enough to be given voting responsibility! I mean, sure, voting doesn’t seem to have actually made a difference to which policies get adopted by government, but still, going backwards can’t help.

    ~ ~ ~

    Syndicalists and chauffeur nannies breathe sigh of relief as Uber shown not above regulation:
    http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/10/30/03/36/regulated-uber-launches-in-canberra
    If you like the free market then don’t blink or you’ll miss it.
    I never understood the insurance argument against Uber. If driving without “appropriate” insurance is a bad risk then eventually Uber drivers will voluntarily adopt it.

    Uber drivers also seem to be less prone to judging by appearances than taxi drivers if the Senior Victorian Australian of the Year can be believed.
    [
    abc.net.au/news/2015-10-30/indigenous-elder-jack-charles-rejected-by-taxi-again/6901120 ]
    Personally I haven’t used Uber because the very few times I have needed a hired ride I wanted some assurance the driver knew what they were doing. It’s just my assumption that a Taxi company will turn up sooner and that career taxi drivers are more likely to have 50+ hours on their scoreboard than an Uber shapeshifter.

    ~ ~ ~

    Also noticed the disciplinary post over at Catallaxy Files on Friday telling all the Abbott loyalists to put a sock in it and support Chairman Mal. From the Jonovian perspective I think it was all a clear indication that there’s no votes in being a climate skeptic, certainly not in being self-censored climate skeptic. Perhaps it’s just one of those unpleasant compromises one has to make in politics, that we should have supported Abbott more regardless of all the broken promises and stuff-ups as long he could push back on our single favourite issue. Alas, Paris will steamroll ahead and not even the misgivings of the ex-KGB guy will put a stop to it.

    ~ ~ ~

    There’s a “People’s Climate March” (peoplesclimate.org.au) being organized for 28th±1 November. Why would they feel the need to march in protest if they really believed they were the majority? Do they think politicians are dragging their heels on carbophobia due to lobbying from short-sighted industry moguls? The carbophobes have about one hundred bought-and-paid-for government climate scientists, most of the lamestream media, the insurance companies, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, Deutsche Bank, Shell, BP, the Australian Medical Association, The “Australian Skeptics™”, the Greens Party, Greens-Lite Labor Party, the Liberal-in-name-only party, dozens of other climatebaggers too numerous to mention, and now the Prime Minister all on their side, yet they still want to act abandoned and downtrodden and agitate for more harmful accelerated carbophobia. Too much carbophobia is barely enough for these people.

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      Roy Hogue

      ABC headline: Voting age should be lowered to 16, Shorten says.
      “My message to the Liberal party is let’s trust our young people because they’re the people who are going to have to deal with the decisions that we’re making right now.”
      By that logic he should extend the right to vote to foetuses. Some other good comments in ABC’s related article asking for feedback, but they wouldn’t dare run a poll where they couldn’t cherry pick the balance of responses.

      When the voting age was lowered from 21 to 18 here in the U.S. I shuddered. My fear has been borne out. The young do not make good voters. Even at 21 I was as naive as a newborn about a lot of things.

      We should have raised the voting age to about 30 instead of lowering it as we did based totally on the foolish notion that if you’re old enough to die for your country you’re old enough to vote. You’re never old enough to die for your country and while voting is a right, it carries a responsibility along with it. The rest of us deserve to have a more responsible voter.

      Good for those polled. I hope you don’t get the voting age lowered.

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        Roy Hogue

        I voted no for you. :-) Ideas like this need all the help they can get to defeat them.

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        Yonniestone

        If voting is allowed for 16 year olds does that mean we can also lower the age for them to drink alcohol, go to bars, or make independent financial decisions?

        I agree entirely with your sentiments, there is a cusp of maturity where the young still need protection from themselves, this is not borne from distain but love and the wish to see our young achieve their best which the current system gives, it may not be perfect or always work but that’s what persistence and fine tuning is for.

        I feel many adults or adults to be have missed out on this stage of development and we are witnessing the results through statistics of crime, poverty, education levels, or independent thinking.

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          Roy Hogue

          A 16 year old thinks more about girls/boys than about responsibility if that’s what you mean. Alcohol makes the rounds among them already anyway.

          Of course some much more mature adults are still stuck in that position so there’s no guarantee. But I think we owe both them and the rest of us the chance for them to grow some wisdom before they try to run things. And that’s really what it’s all about, running things when your elders can no longer do it. All elections are to determine who will run things. Otherwise why do we have them?

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        clive

        I don’t think anybody is taking advice from “Bill Shortonbrains”

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        Bruce J

        A question for Bill Shorten and his supporters wishing to lower the voting age: Would you give your 16 year odd son/daughter your medical power of attorney?

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        jorgekafkazar

        To stay in power, Leftists need constantly increasing numbers of the most ignorant voters they can find.

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          Graeme No.3

          They don’t really want 16 year olds, but they don’t dare say they really want those with an IQ of 16.

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    Roy Hogue

    If you live in the U.S. don’t forget to set your clocks back 1 hour this morning. Ben Franklin’s only bad idea, daylight saving time, just ended.

    I don’t know if Canada goes to daylight time and if they do, whether it’s on the same schedule we are or something different.

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    Ross

    A change in the weather can create wonderful things. Enjoy this

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdqFu8RoALA

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    Peter C

    My daughter, who is a Greens voter, also watched the Ian Plimer interview with me. She did not say much, but she is now aware that the existenti threat to coral atolls from rising sea levels is at least controversial. She did also note that this was made clear by Charles Darwin!

    I don’t expect an instant conversion. But I may be able to leave some of the convincing to Richard DiNatale and others from here on.

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    Peter C

    When I post a comment, the time stamp comes out 47 minutes earlier that AEDST. That does not correspond to any time zone that I am aware of. Does anyone know the reason?

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      David Maddison

      I noticed that too and was going to mention it. Very odd offset, and I thought any OS would automatically connect to a time server to adjust it.

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    Rod Stuart

    I clicked a link the other day and ended up in that cesspit of ignorance; Miriam O’Brien’s place.
    A familiar name is a regular contributor. Can you guess who?
    The old Hairy Tinbird. Totally immersed in the rot and the filth of sou’s swamp.

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    Dave

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    Widespread power blackout in South Australia

    Inter-connector from Victoria stopped

    Lucky they have heaps wind mills!
    Oh! Wait – they need a working grid to operate

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      Bruce of Newcastle

      Heh, last night on their evening news SBS ran the following item from Al-Jazeera. Its about golden eagles being mashed by wind turbines in their thousands. I was surprised since SBS usually keeps close to Green doctrine. Allowing ordinary people to know how horrible all those wind turbines are might be considered a crime against Gaia or something.

      US seeks updated wind turbines amid deaths of birds

      Having a wholly owned arm of the Qatari government criticise wind energy is not surprising though, as they could do with a higher oil price right now.

      I wonder how many birds and bats Jay Weatherill’s wind turbines are exterminating?

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      James Murphy

      It’s a pity that there is no way to search for previous power outages on the SA Power Network site. I guess they do not want people seeing the gradual decline in service?

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      David Maddison

      When will the sheeple realise that power blackouts will become regular occurrences with an increasing reliance on wind and solar and the removal of traditional fossil, hydro and in other places nuclear base load production?

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        jorgekafkazar

        When will the sheeple realise that power blackouts will become regular occurrences…?

        When they get here. Won’t be long now.

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          Graeme No.3

          May 2016 when the remaining coal fired plant shuts down. The government tried to get rid of it once before and had to hastily order it back on line. Once it has gone the State will be at the mercy of the wind, as the inter-connectors can only carry about one fifth of peak demand.
          One hot, still summer day (and night) 2016/17 and the Labor government will be envying Bill Shorten’s current approval rating.

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            Andrew McRae

            Once it has gone the State will be at the mercy of the wind, as the inter-connectors can only carry about one fifth of peak demand.

            R.I.P. S.A.

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      Robert O

      It’s the beginning of reality emerging about renewable energy. How can one replace 24/7/52 electricity with solar (16%) and wind (25%) without a back-up supply roughly 4/5 of the time? So what’s the point running back-up 80%, just go for 100% and give renewables a miss. Cheaper too

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        Robert O mentions something here about running back-up power for when renewables fail to deliver.

        There’s something really ironic happening in the U.S. and I only found it when I was looking for something else, the burn rate for coal compared with actual power delivery, so very very few people would even notice something like this and even less, (more like none really) would report on it.

        In the U.S. they are literally forced to purchase wind power no matter if it’s needed or not, and because of that, the first to get the boot off the grid when wind does actually deliver is smaller and even some medium sized coal fired plants.

        So, dullard reporters can sort of assume that wind actually might be replacing coal fired power.

        However, what is happening is that, with the advantage of 20/20 vision those coal fired plants know in their heart of hearts that very soon, they’ll be getting a call, asking them to start delivering power again.

        So, what they are doing when dumped off the grid because wind is delivering is just taking the power delivery part of the plant off line. Then they just keep the units ticking over, and burning coal to keep doing that, knowing that when the call (most certainly) comes, they can just flick the switch, (figuratively speaking) and hey presto, power delivery.

        So, while the wind may actually be blowing and delivering power, those coal fired plants are not even blinking, just burning and turning, oh, and emitting CO2.

        So, in actual fact, CO2 emissions per unit of power delivered by coal fired power are rising, and renewables are not causing reductions in the emissions of CO2, in fact, the opposite.

        Cue Curly!

        I’ll bet that you will NEVER see that reported anywhere.

        Shh! Don’t mention the war coal burning. I did once but I think I got away with it!

        Tony.

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    Robert Purves says Australia must regain green focus after Tony Abbott’s ‘crazy ideology’

    SMH: On Wednesday, 27 October 2015, Mr Purves was one of seven remarkable adventurers and conservationists the Australian Geographic Society honoured with annual awards.

    Mr Purves won the society’s Lifetime of Conservation Award, following his work in establishing the Purves Environmental Fund and being a founding member of the Wentworth Group of Concerned Scientists. 
    . . .
    Astute readers might notice the 3 large dogs in the photo accompanying the low information, green voting, planet saving Mr Purves …

    Pet dogs as bad for planet as driving 4x4s, book claims
    Owners should consider doing without, downsizing or even eating their pets to help save the planet, according to a new book.

    A medium-sized dog has the same impact as a Toyota Land Cruiser driven 6,000 miles a year, while a cat is equivalent to a Volkswagen Golf.”

    Wait. What?

    Did they mention VW?

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    James Murphy

    I see the French weatherman, Philipe Verdier has been fired…

    A sad day for freedom of speech, and a sad day for the things which most French people hold dear: Liberté, égalité, fraternité

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    ROM

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    Yeh! I’m still around . Just too damn tied up and usually too weary for various reasons to comment like I would like to.
    My date of birth is becoming the main problem.

    So to use Andrew McRae’s very apt metaphor [ #11 ]Miscellaneous Week end Ramblings above as an excuse to ask the assembled experts and assorted opinionated commenters here a question on Flies which I have never seen asked before nor have I ever seen any explanation for .

    It is genuine Australian pest “Fly” question that I have for decades past dearly like to have seen an explanation for.

    As we all know here in SE Australia, around the beginning of spring the first of those bloody “Fly” pests turn up from somewhere and start getting into every personal crevice they can find and keep right on doing it until they are sated or exterminated or the victim finds somewhere where he / she can get some respite.

    This following is from memory, so ! ?

    Sometime in around the late 1970′s, I think, an inquisitive CSIRO [?] researcher also wondered where those spring swarms of Flies came from.

    In the days before the introduction of the dung beetles that dispose of cattle dung in the north, he organised a number of people through and right down from southern Queensland, through central NSW and into Vic to report on when they saw their first fly for the season and when the flies rapidly increased in numbers a few days or a couple of weeks later.

    The results indicated that a northern origin “Fly” front that supplemented the local populations of winter surviving Flies moved south from Queensland’s cattle country as temperatures warmed up in spring with the Flies moving south, transported by the northerly winds at an average rate of about 40 miles, about 65 kms a day into Australia’s SE.

    Flies of course are also part and parcel of any dung excreting animals as I watched large numbers of the common Flies hovering around Kangaroo dung a day or so ago.

    Years ago on a number of occassions I sat in the shade of a large mobile grain bin way out in our paddocks during harvests as I waited for another harvester load of grain to be brought into the bin.
    It was usually hot and the bloody flies were everywhere and in everything.
    Some days the Flies are a bit slower off the mark and you can nail them with a good whack with a hand. Other days they are quicker and are damn hard to swat.

    On some of those slower fly days I started swatting flies and when I had cleaned out most of the locals I waited a few minutes to see what would happen.
    Within about five to ten minutes the Fly numbers had built up again to the same levels as previously.

    Which brings about my question;

    What is it or why is it that depending a lot of factors and every day is different in terms of Fly numbers and sheer Fly persistence , one will get a good sized retinue of Flies.
    BUT after reaching some sort of personal “Fly” numbers saturation point that are constrained by the day’s weather conditions and other unexplained localised factors, one’s retinue of “Fly” numbers stabilises and doesn’t increase any further?

    If you thin your “Fly” retinue out, within minutes it is back up to your apparent personal “Fly” saturation point for that place and time and conditions.

    In theory and from personal observation of the apparent “Fly” back up reserve numbers hovering around out of immediate range, one should just keep right on accumulating flies until you collapse under the mass of flies.

    It just doesn’t work that way in real life!

    So to the biology experts here and any commenters;

    What is it the controlling factor and how does it work that places limits, the “Fly” saturation point, on the numbers of “Flies” around a person, an animal or even a bit of dung at any one time and in any one place?

    It is a question no doubt that is extendable to a greater or lesser extent to just about every insect species but for this we will stick to those thoroughly annoying, frustratingly bloody pesty common Australian bush and house flies.

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      Yonniestone

      Hi ROM, funny you should raise this subject as I watched a great show the night before on the history of Forensic crime development with the first case using Entomology, maybe a perusal of some Entomologist test results or data will shed some light on this?

      Also our gracious hostess is schooled in some things biological, her other half is only good at rocket surgery or something… ;)

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      Rod Stuart

      I disagree with your analysis, ROM. Having spent some summer time in and around Moomba, I heartily rejecct any notion of there being some sort of limit to the fly population; either in total or in your personal space.
      When the back of your shirt turns black with the little devils, it just gets blacker as more pile on.

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      Alfred

      Sir,I am sorry I can’t answer your question but around here for every fly you kill, three comes to his funeral.

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      Rick Will

      If you leave the carcasses of the swotted flies scattered about you the numbers decline – the magic number is 27 when in open spaces. If you have that number of dead flies in your immediate vicinity their nuisance numbers will reduce rapidly. There may even be a point where they stay away completely but after killing 27 they are so thin that the time between kills creates boredom. As long as the carcasses remain the numbers of living flies stay low.

      My best single swipe EVAH resulted in exterminating 9 flies. Although the fellow I struck on the back stung for a few seconds – the blow being cushioned a little by mass of mashed flies.

      Note that this observation has been repeated many times but not peer reviewed.

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        ROM

        Flies have remarkable powers of observation and smell with Blowflies able to detect a person from smell alone when they are a couple of kilometres down wind of what to them is an attractive smelly mobile humanoid object.
        Although I have come across the very occasional aforesaid version of the humanoid objects that could be detected by any debased sense of smell quite a long ways upwind as well !

        However 27 fly carcases in a heavy grain stubble under a grain bin on a 37 degree day is probably a bit much of an observational challenge even to a well visioned Fly.

        Now if it was 2700 fly carcases!

        Well that might be a visible observation for a Fly in the above circumstances which no doubt would make you average Musca vetustissima think a bit at about at the same levels as your average warmista thinks about the natural changes in the global climate.

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    Random Comment

    My favourite opinion contributor to The Australian newspaper, Professor Henry Ergas, has a piece in the paper today (Monday) titled “IMF’s Gift To Anti-Coal Jihadis Is Vastly Overvalued”. The article demolishes the concept that fossil fuel producers are the beneficiaries of taxpayer-funded subsidies equivalent to 6.5% of global income, as the IMF would have us believe.

    Prof. Ergas refers to a letter by David Henderson, former chief economist to the OECD, which was published in the Financial Times on Friday last.

    The IMF’s results, which the green lobby has relied on heavily in its jihad against coal mining, are therefore “best viewed as speculative rather than conclusive or even remotely plausible”. But with anti-coal activists preferring personal invective to rational debate, those concerns are hardly likely to lead the jihadis to think again.

    It seems that the IMF includes in its definition of subsidies the perceived environmental cost of CO2 emissions. But, as Prof. Ergas points out, so-called ‘renewable’ energy sources are the beneficiaries of subsidies in the order of A$2.8bn pa which are ignored by the IMF’s analysis. In Australia, using conventional methodology, subsidies to coal amount to approx. $130m pa (mainly for R&D) whereas the IMF study claims Australian coal is subsidised by A$14bn pa (more than 100times the conventional approach).

    Prof. Ergas always finishes his articles with a robust conclusion:

    …getting politicians, rather than markets, to set prices leads not to the study’s “ideal corrective taxes” but to misery. And preventing the world’s poor from accessing the low-cost energy they need to rise out of poverty is not just foolish – it is, as Josh Frydenberg has argued, immoral.
    None of that is to chastise the study’s authors: like Henderson, they take debate seriously. Not so our anti-coal jihadis, as Bernie Fraser’s outrageous attacks on Frydenberg make clear.
    Parroting data they barely understand, they prefer darkness to light. And as they turn off the world’s power, that is exactly what they will get.

    [My bolding]

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      TdeF

      “subsidies to coal amount to approx. $130m pa (mainly for R&D)”

      This is rubbish. These were tax rebates, not subsidies. This was tax paid for people doing valuable and real research, not money making. If the research is not done, the tax is not be paid and the tax return will not happen. So we do nothing. Thanks Greens. We are becoming the dumb country because Greens have no idea of either science or business.

      In the last twenty years, Australian R&D has been closed down with Green pressure as Greens want to spend the money elsewhere? Now there is no R&D by big companies and few small companies can afford it. Telstra Research is a shopfront now. BHP research is long gone. Big company research is gone. Not only has our manufacturing fled overseas, the supporting research is going or gone, as with car manufacture. We must be the only country which does not directly support R&D. Like everything else, we can buy it all from overseas.

      Now we rely for the Universities and CSIRO for R&D who claim they are just no good at making money from inventions because it is not what they do. Now that’s great. What about that 50 year cloud seeding project and the world class robotic sheep shearer? However we are possibly the world homogenization centre, responsible for 25% of the world’s temperatures because of our domination of the Southern Hemisphere land records. Luckily this is done by public servants who would not dream of altering real data. How many CSIRO and BOM people and University Climate people and Council Environmentalists will be flying to Paris?

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        TdeF

        In this I exclude biomedical research, which is the one area which is generously funded in Australia, often by individuals directly and through bequests. Engineering and science are the major victims of Green ignorance. So we are left with public sector research only, an oxy moron. Plus a host of 20 year old QANGOs called CRCs which claim to be doing great good commercializing the stump jump plough.

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      Alfred

      If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

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    pat

    James Murphy –

    yes, it would seem Verdier has indeed been fired:

    1 Nov: Sputnik News: Leading French TV Weatherman Sacked for Questioning Climate Change
    A popular French weatherman has been shown the door at a leading news channel for criticizing the government and top climate change experts for “misleading the public.”
    Philippe Verdier, a popular French weatherman, has been sacked by a leading French television channel after he published a book which calls into question a widely discussed climate change issue…
    The weatherman announced Saturday evening that he had been fired.
    “I received this letter this morning and decided to open it in front of you because it concerns everybody- in the name of freedom of expression and freedom of information,” Verdier said in an online video as cited by France 24…
    “I am being punished for exercising my freedom of expression,” the French weatherman concluded.
    http://sputniknews.com/europe/20151101/1029440498/french-weatherman-sacked-questioning-climate-change.html

    Weatherman films his own sacking in climate row
    The Times (subscription)-3 hours ago
    Philippe Verdier, arguably France’s most famous weatherman, took to the internet to read a letter from the state broadcaster informing him of his dismissal.

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    Egor TheOne

    News Flash …..If you have a strong stomach , Paul R. Ehrlich the Mad Malthusian and CAGW Prophet Supremo , is guest BSer on that fantasy filled Propaganda show ‘Q&BS’ with the AlpgreensBC standout Host and Chief Pontificator , Tony (lefty)Jones !

    That eco-kook Ehrlich is even worse that our very own ‘Sage Flannery’ !

    Both are in urgent need of ‘The Bum’s Rush Out’ in Straight Jacket attire !

    When will our Tax-Money stop being Squandered on these junk propaganda shows ?

    The AlpgreensBC needs to be defunded and flogged off , and its biased employees can get real jobs in the real world .

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    pat

    on jo’s Putin thread, I posted Aljaz’s Mehdi Hasan “climate change conspiracy” video.
    Eric Worrall has a thread on WUWT highlighting the video’s inclusion of a claim that climate change kills 400,000 a year, referencing this highly-politicised 2012 report by DARA/Climate Vulnerability Monitor, from whence the 400,000 claims originated:

    62-page report: DARA/Climate Vulerability Monitor: A Guide to the Cold Calculus of a Hot Planet
    http://daraint.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/CVM2ndEd-FrontMatter.pdf

    btw from page 15: To our donors at AECID, ***AusAID and Fundacion Biodiversidad…

    DARA’s Chairman of the Board of Trustees:

    Wikipedia: Jose Maria Figueres, Chairman of the Board of Trustees, DARA
    Figueres has three younger siblings, ***Christiana Figueres, Mariano, and Kirsten. Christiana Figueres is currently the Executive Director of the UNFCCC, responsible for international climate change negotiations…
    At the same time and since having left government in Costa Rica, Figueres has served on numerous other Boards. He was Chairman of LEAD as well as FUNDES Internacional. He has also served as a director of the, World Wildlife Fund, the Botanic Research Institute Texas, the World Resources Institute (WRI), and the Stockholm Environment Institute.
    Since 2008, Figueres has served as Chairman of the Global Fairness Initiative, taking on the role from its Founding Chairman, President Bill Clinton. He is currently a Board member of FRIDE, the Geneva Earth Council, Population Action International, and is Chairman of the Board of Trustees of DARA (international organization).
    From 2009 until 2011, when its mandate was completed, Figueres served on UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon’s Advisory Group on Climate Change and Energy…
    Figueres is a founding member of the Club de Madrid…
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Mar%C3%ADa_Figueres

    Wikipedia: Climate Vulnerability Monitor
    The Climate Vulnerable Forum is a global partnership of leaders of countries most vulnerable to climate change actively seeking a firm and urgent resolution to the growing climate crisis. It was founded by President Mohamed Nasheed of the Maldives and first met in November 2009…

    of course, Nasheed is long gone (Maldives’ politics is presently in a state of turmoil)…and there have been no further Climate Vulnerability Monitor reports.

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    read every word:

    27 Oct: International Business Times: Cole Stangler: Pension Funds Considering Fossil Fuel Divestment, Socially Responsible Investments Get Boost From Labor Department
    The U.S. Department of Labor has withdrawn an arcane George W. Bush-era measure that critics say discouraged pension trustees from making socially responsible investment decisions — like divesting from energy companies that contribute to climate change. The move could intensify environmental groups’ efforts to try to starve fossil-fuel corporations of billions of dollars worth of capital from institutional investors.
    Last week, Labor Department officials unveiled a new interpretive guidance that Labor Secretary Thomas Perez said would ensure that “investing in the best interest of a retirement plan and in the growth of a community can go hand in hand.” The update could give legal “wiggle room” to pension trustees inclined to make socially guided investments but who may have feared running afoul of fiduciary standards designed to maximize low-risk returns, says David Webber, a law professor at Boston University…
    Advocates for fossil-fuel divestment are calling the new guidance a “game changer.”…
    http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/pension-funds-considering-fossil-fuel-divestment-socially-responsible-investments

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      Imagine this,

      you’re a young person in say mid twenties, early thirties, and your Superannuation Company invests in a wind plant.

      At the end of the lifespan for the wind plant, 15 to 25 years at best, and the wind plant closes, you still have many years to go before you retire and get hold of your super.

      If the plant has long closed, where has the money gone?

      Tony.

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        ROM

        Tony ,
        Are you really suggesting that with all the guarantees of being in on the ground floor of an incredible Green planet saving, future technological advancement in power generation and the consequent feel good, planet saving, GREEN superannuation Investments that one might invest in, that these investments within only a couple of decades or less could turn another hue of Green, a deep corpusculent Grey Green along with an associated stench from a whole raft of by then, non existent Deep Green Planet Saver’s superannuation funds.

        As a Green investor you might even get to see some of those Green superannuation fund investments in Renewable Energy passing by if you can get some shares in an Andorra bank sometime.
        Its just that by then it won’t be your money anymore.

        [ said with tongue in cheek, almost but not quite!!! ]

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          Okay then,

          now think a little laterally, and how that those green believers keep saying that wind power is cheaper than coal fired power.

          ALL of the costs must be recovered from the sale of electricity, eg, the unit cost.

          So now you have to add on the return to the Superannuation Company as well, and having a much shorter life, then that return has to be recovered over that shorter life.

          The more superannuation companies invest in them, then obviously that extra cost for return to investors must be recovered, all coming out of the supposed profit from a model which has grossly overestimated how much power can actually be delivered each year.

          Meanwhile as companies divest from coal fired power, those coal fired power providers could effectively lower their cost per unit for sale of electricity by the very slightest fraction, mainly because over the life of the plant, double to triple that of wind, and also generating three times as much power each year, effectively a multiplier of at least 6 to 9 and more over wind, then while the cost of wind power rises, the cost of coal fired power falls, and instead of the profits having to be divided by now thousands upon thousands of half a brain green super contributors, all the profit from coal fired power goes to those shareholders perspicacious enough to stay with coal fired power.

          No wonder green urgers are all poor.

          It’s such a delicious conundrum, isn’t it.

          Tony.

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    pat

    referring back to the 62-page report by DARA/Climate Vulerability Monitor: A Guide to the Cold Calculus of a Hot Planet, which AusAID partly funded.

    the only references to Australia, other than mention of AusAID as a donor, are:

    page 16: To the Australian (and Italian) team in Accra, we hope you also enjoyed the experience of the country study: ***Sarah Willis and Azzurra Chiarini.
    page 11: Peer Review Committee – TORD KJELLSTROM, Senior Professor, Department of Public Health and Clinical Medicine,
    Umea University; Visiting Fellow, Honorary Professor, Australia National University, Canberra, and University College, London

    ***Sarah Willis is/was apparently First Secretary/AusAID connected to Australian High Commission, Accra, Ghana.

    interesting to look at the Partners’ list for the Climate Vulnerability Monitor 2nd Edition 2012:

    Climate Vulnerability Monitor 2nd Edition
    A Guide to the Cold Calculus of a Hot Planet
    The Monitor was launched at the Asia Society in New York, US on 26 September 2012…
    Partners on the Monitor
    includes Reuters, World Bank Group, UNEP, Bloomberg, Oxfam, etc etc…
    http://www.thecvf.org/web/publications-data/climate-vulnerability-monitor/2012-monitor/

    no wonder they came up with their alarming figures!

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    el gordo

    ‘November is a very cold time to visit Paris, France, when the weather tends to be wet and the temperatures low. During this month, the average temperature starts off at 9.5°C on November 1st and drops down to 5.5°C by November 30th.

    ‘Daily highs decrease from around 13°C at the beginning of the month down to 8°C by the end, very rarely exceeding 17°C or falling below 3°C. Daily lows start off at 6°C and fall down to 3°C, only rising above 11°C or dropping below -2°C one day out of every ten.’

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    ***He (Premier Jay Weatherill) has also ruled out South Australia’s growing reliance on wind power as a factor in Sunday night’s load shedding???

    2 Nov: 9News: AAP: SA to push for electricity sharing
    South Australia will push for national action to boost energy sharing between states after a blackout cut power to about 110,000 homes and businesses across Adelaide and parts of SA.
    The cause of Sunday night’s blackout has been traced to an electricity substation in the state’s southeast…
    But Premier Jay Weatherill says there are also broader issues surrounding the power network’s ongoing stability.
    “We have a network at the moment which would be more stable if there were greater interconnections through to Queensland,” Mr Weatherill said on Monday.
    “But there are a whole range of regulatory matters that prevent that from occurring.”…
    ***He has also ruled out South Australia’s growing reliance on wind power as a factor in Sunday night’s load shedding…
    http://www.9news.com.au/national/2015/11/02/00/12/power-out-across-adelaide

    2 Nov: AAP: Review into monster SA blackout
    A review is under way after power was cut to about 110,000 homes and businesses across Adelaide and parts of South Australia, the result of a loss of electricity supplies from Victoria.
    The 275,000-volt interconnector between the two states went down at 10.20pm on Sunday which prompted safety systems to automatically kick in across SA.
    Those systems instigated a series of rolling blackouts from Sellicks Beach, south of Adelaide, across the metropolitan area and north into the Barossa Valley.
    The loss of the interconnector followed a planned outage at a Victorian power station earlier on Sunday but it was unclear if the two incidents were directly related…
    SA Power Networks spokesman Paul Roberts said the loss of Victorian supplies cut about 160 megawatts of energy from SA’s available capacity…
    https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/review-monster-sa-blackout-221301419.html

    anyone care to comment?

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    pat

    not suggesting any connection between these trials and the monster SA blackout, but thought i’d post it:

    6 Oct: Businesswire: SA Power Networks to Trial Distributed Residential Energy Storage System with the Enphase Home Energy Solution
    “Ensuring grid stability is one of the most significant issues to address with solar power increasing its penetration into the electricity grid in Australia,” said Nathan Dunn, managing director for Enphase Energy Asia-Pacific. “The introduction of energy storage on the grid will provide greater stability, which is a win for both service providers and residential customers.”
    Enphase Home Energy Solution, an integrated solution combining solar generation, energy control, and energy storage, offers homeowners a plug-and-play AC Battery solution to store energy generated from their solar photovoltaic (PV) system. Through the installation of a smart-grid ready Enphase Envoy-S Metered™ gateway, users can securely monitor and manage their home energy consumption via web-enabled device…
    http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20151006005713/en/SA-Power-Networks-Trial-Distributed-Residential-Energy

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    el gordo

    ‘… at least 60%, that is, 0.3C out of the 0.5C global warming observed from 1970 to 2000 has been induced by the combined effect of the 20 and 60-year natural climate oscillations. In fact, both cycles had a minimum in the 1970 and a maximum in 2000.

    ‘If at least 60% of the warming observed since 1970 has been natural, humans have contributed no more than 40% of the observed warming. This estimate should be compared with the IPCC’s estimate that 100% of the warming observed since 1970 is anthropogenic.’

    Nicola Scafetta 2010

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    Oksanna

    Just heard about a Goddard NASA study showing gains in Antarctic ice outweighing losses, on our ABC radio, (news), this afternoon, along with obligatory innoculatory questions by the journo, about sceptics using it to cast doubt on CAGW. Funny thing is we all knew about how warming should increase snowfall on the hinterland, then there were all the studies showing a loss…

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    el gordo

    ‘Parts of the Southern Ocean could be inhospitable for key organisms in food chain to survive by 2030.’

    Hannam / SMH

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    el gordo

    ‘It turns out that not all ocean water is made up of “regular” water (i.e., H2O). About one out of every 3,200 water molecules in the ocean is a heavy water molecule made with deuterium — a hydrogen atom with an extra neutron. When this hydrogen isotope combines with oxygen to make water, it’s actually about 10 percent heavier than the much more common form of water found everywhere around us on Earth.’

    EarthSky

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