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Where have all the Eagles Gone? Great new song by M4GW

It used to be that musicians would protest at environmental  damage. Now most of them support industry, banks, corporations.

Making up for that, the very talented, Minnesotans for Global Warming (M4GW)

Where have all the artists gone?

Fooled by green poseurs, every one…

– Jo

h/t Lance

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91 comments to Where have all the Eagles Gone? Great new song by M4GW

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    Dave

    Love the song!

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    TdeF

    Just following on from the last post, the course at Monash university. I wondered what other universities did? Was it just political activism, freedom of speech, group think?

    The university of Western Australia

    We aim to provide policy-makers, business leaders, the media, and the public with the latest accurate information about climate science and the ecological and social effects of climate change. We provide rigorously checked, credible and relevant information from peer-reviewed sources, contacts to UWA experts who can clearly explain the scientific literature, and strive to foster a better understanding of the consequences of climate change and correct some common misconceptions that can confuse the public.

    Like Monash, this appears to be a big business with both undergraduate and postgraduate courses.

    Environmental Science assesses the impact of human activity on the global environment and develops scientific, risk-based, solutions to help secure a sustainable global environment.
    • climate change
    • carbon trading
    • greenhouse gas emissions

    Now we understand why Lomborg was not welcome at Australia’s universities! Man Made Global Warming is big business. So the other players in Australia include the universities themselves who seem to be training environmental activists who are taught about carbon trading from their first year. We can add Big Education to Big Wind and Big Solar.

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      TdeF

      You would think dedicated university environmentalists would have a concern for 220,000 eagle slicers?

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        Kevin Lohse

        Eagles, other raptors, bats and the 1.2 Billion souls without any electricity at all are acceptable as collateral damage in the race to send the World back to the 14th Century.

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        Robert O

        Looking at Labor’s target of 50% renewable by 2030, one needs an extra 9200 wind turbines @ 4 MW each to supply 86,000 GWh/ yr. of electricty which added to the 35,000 GWh of renewables currently produced (mainly Hydro) will make 124,000 GWh/ yr. or half of current annual production of 248,000 GWh.

        To do this one needs 39 Windfarms rated at 1000 MW each and about 500,000 hectares of suitable land. The largest Windfarm in Australia is Macarthur which is 5,500 ha. and a nameplate capacity of 420 MW: it produces power about 26% of the time and remember solar only provides electricty about 16% of the time. This leads to another problem, what happens when all the windmills are idle as there is no wind, or its dark? One has to have back-up power to prevent black-outs and this means lots of CO2 belching gas turbines doesn’t it? So costly wind and solar plus on top more gas turbines to provide back-up which makes one wonder are you really achieving very much in the first place.

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      Frank

      Lomberg was not welcome because as a nonscientist, he didn’t know what he was talking about. Universities should be about free speech but they have standards too.

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        So we should sack all the economic analysts who are not scientists? Your hate is irrational. Bizarre. He accepts the science, so sack him!

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          climatesketic

          He accepts the science

          Doesn’t that make him a “warmist”?

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            AndyG55

            Yes, Lomberg is what we could call a “warmist”

            That is what is so funny about the whole thing.

            He just has the common sense to realise that spending billions on non-functional renewables is not very sensible.

            That is a message that far-left wing activists just cannot be allowed to be heard.

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        AndyG55

        The Lomberg headed group was ALWAYS going to be based around economics.

        That is what Lomberg is.

        Your nonsense and absolute ignorance is now a permanent feature of your posts.

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          climateskeptic

          The Lomberg headed group was ALWAYS going to be based around economics.

          That is what Lomberg is.

          ..but in the video it says he is a climatologist

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            Rereke Whakaaro

            Yes, Lomberg studies the economic impacts of climate, which makes him a climatologist.

            Climatologists are not the same class of thing as Climate Scientists.

            Rule of thumb: Any “profession” that feels the need to qualify what they do, by using the word “science” as part of their name, generally aren’t real scientists at all.

            Example: “Political Science”.

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              climate skeptic

              Climatologists are not the same class of thing as Climate Scientists.

              Thats strange because in the dictionary they are the same
              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatology

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                JohnRMcD

                And you believe Wikipedia on any subject related to climastrology?

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                Rereke Whakaaro

                John is right to call this out. Two misrepresentations do not confirm anything about either.

                Encyclopaeda Britannica lists Climate Science as a sub-branch of both the Social and Political Sciences. There are no such links with Climatology nor Atmospheric Physics (as it would be reasonable to expect, if it were a recognised field of genuine scientific study).

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        AndyG55

        And if there is anyone who has no idea what they are talking about… IT IS YOU !!

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        TdeF

        “as a nonscientist, he didn’t know what he was talking about”

        Lomborg teaches economics, not science. He does not disagree with the man made Global Warming taught today at universities. Rather he is very qualified to talk about the relative merits of all the many environmental threats and the costs and effectiveness of addressing them. His crime is to offer his conclusion that there are much more pressing environmental problems which are cheaper to fix and able to be fixed.

        If there is a coverup, it is firstly the mass slaughter of eagles by windmills and then the breaking of all environmental regulations to allow tens of millions of tons of heavy metals in solar panels and windmills, particularly cadmium, mercury and about 6 millions tons of neodymium. Considering that this for no saving in CO2 emissions at all, it is government approved mass pollution for nothing. If environmentalists want to get angry, get angry about the real problems.

        Besides, twenty years ago we were told the seas would rise 100 metres in 100 years. By now they should have risen 20 meters. Nothing happened. How gullible are people? Like people waiting for the Rapture, they still expect the seas to rise suddenly.

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          ExWarmist

          Tdef,

          I have argued with Religious Fundamentalists at University (when I was there), and I find no difference when arguing with Climate Fundamentalists like Frank.

          Just the same – zero rational thought. Filled with certainty, and emotionalism.

          Frank – your a fool and a slave.

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          Frank

          Tdef,
          His economic views are his domain, his belief that AGW is overrated and there are more pressing enviromental issues to address are based on disciplines OUTSIDE his domain of expertise,hence my accusation. If scientists were to argue economics with him he could rightly tell them they don’t know what they’re talking about.

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            Remember TdeF, it’s not logic and reason, or evidence that counts. You need the badge that says “expert”.

            Only approved people are allowed to have an opinion. Why can’t you be obedient like Frank?

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              Bob Malloy

              Remember TdeF, it’s not logic and reason, or evidence that counts. You need the badge that says “expert”.

              Didn’t they come in cereal boxes in the past.

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                Rereke Whakaaro

                Still do … I got mine last week.

                I am now a certified expert procrastinator, or at least I will be, when I get around to sending the form back.

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            AndyG55

            In who’s opinion.. yours..?

            Grain of salt, Frank, because we know you have NOTHING to back up anything you say.

            Its just empty blah.. blah .. blah !!!

            Lomberg has done the study, has done the maths, has looked at ALL angles..

            And has come to a conclusion that he can substantiate with logic and science.

            This is something you will NEVER be able to do, not from the very first step.

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        Radical Rodent

        Funny. I didn’t see Lomberg mentioned anywhere in this post; it’s all about eagles and wind “farms”. Could you at least keep the conversation reasonably on-topic?

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        James Murphy

        Like Lomborg, Ross Garnaut is an economist, and it is apparently perfectly acceptable that he was paid a fortune (I imagine) to conduct a ‘Climate Change Review’ by the Rudd government. How is it then, that Lomborg is unqualified and unsuitable to delve into climate change?

        Perhaps you can explain that logic to everyone, “Frank”?

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          AndyG55

          “Perhaps you can explain that logic to everyone, “Frank”?”

          roflmoa..

          Not going to happen. He doesn’t do “logic”, just baseless incoherent ranting.

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            James Murphy

            Well, I agree, they do not seem to display any rational evidence based objectivity, but you know, the more they try to justify themselves, the sillier they look, so in the regard, I’m all for providing as much rope as they need to hang themselves (metaphorically, of course).

            Not generally as stupidly entertaining as this Frank, but still…

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        PeterS

        As a former student who completed a PhD thesis, I can tell you that Universities are not places where real free speech and open debate is allowed on many topics, only on those that the teaching fraternity allow because of their biased views. There are exceptions but they mainly relate to topics that are of no consequence to the current worldview of certain mainstream topics.

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          PeterS

          I like to add that when I was at Uni I found it sad to hear the so called intellectuals always wanted to stifle a debate because they think it’s unnecessary and the “debate is over; the science is in” Where have we heard that before? Take a look at history. So many times the holders of the worldview at the time thought they had it right and refused to debate the topic, yet given time they were proven wrong. Mankind’s progress was slowed down as a result. It’s a shame we don’t allow debates in a variety of areas that are now “protected”, some of which are questionable to say the least. Even if they think they have got them all right now (probably not) what are they afraid of? Are they afraid of losing the debate using real science? Oh shock horror, we can’t allow that! In that case all I can hear are the sounds of a certain domesticated feathered bird coming from such so called intellectuals who have the reasoning capabilities to match.

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          PeterS

          Looks like I’m in “mind-sync’ with Freeman Dyson:

          “Real advances in science require a different cultural tradition, with individuals who invent new tools to explore nature and are not afraid to question authority. Science driven by rebels and heretics searching for truth has made great progress in the last three centuries. But the new culture of scientific scepticism is a recent growth and has not yet penetrated deeply into our thinking. The old culture of group loyalty and dogmatic belief is still alive under the surface, guiding the thoughts of scientists as well as the opinions of ordinary citizens.”

          http://www.ijreview.com/2015/10/448344-top-physicist-bolts-global-warming-consensus-see-says-obama/?utm_source=email

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        James Bradley

        Fanatics feed frustration.

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        Peter Carabot

        Ooooopsss. Sorry Frank, I just gave you the thumbs up only because I read it in a sarcastic way…. I realized afterwards that you actually believe that tripe!! It’s Thumbs DOWN from me!!

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      Alan

      TdeF
      Not sure if things have changed at UWA but a few years ago when I looked in detail you could actually complete that course without doing any math or physics. Go figure

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    Bob Malloy

    I have always liked their work, usually link to them via appinsys, however their link there hasn’t worked for me for some time, thanks for this link.

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    All that comes to mind is ‘accidents happen, tragedies happen’, all in the name of a cause, no matter how wrong.

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    KinkyKeith

    Brilliant.

    One of my favourite tunes revamped to push a great and important message.

    THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG!

    Let’s try to bring about change.

    KK

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    Yonniestone

    I’ve always found it increasingly difficult to watch images of animals in distress or killed senselessly, hunting for food or vermin control is one thing but claiming to be an environmentalist while keeping silent or fobbing off this slaughter is just the epitome of hypocrisy.

    A great site for exposing this unnecessary culling is Save The Eagles International, people I’ve linked this site to simply cannot believe the scale of bureaucratic cover up on all levels to hide this from public scrutiny, to think children will be more concerned about polar bears drowning or clown fish homeless compared to this very real actually occurring disgrace is a personal blight on the very soul of those that perpetuate such myths.

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      James Murphy

      Sadly, it seems genuine environmentalists (or at least those with a genuine concern for the environment at large) are also an endangered species. It’s now all about being seen to be “taking action”, rather than doing something useful.

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    Peter Miller

    Well, it just goes to show that eagles are evil deniers who rightly got their just desserts.

    Obviously a fatuous and offensive statement, but typical of the sort of BS routinely spewed out by greenies.

    The hen harrier is almost extinct now in the UK as a result of windmills; watching greenies spin their demise as being the result of ‘climate change’ is vomit inducing.

    Great song, but very sad, demonstrating just how badly the western world has lost all sense of priorities due to the actions of the Green Blob.

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    TdeF

    In the clip, there are all the warmists turned sceptics, Jo included. What about all those people who thought the whole thing extremely unlikely in the first place, a trace gas?

    Of all the things which could cause a very slight warming, why CO2? The recent little ice age alone made it absurd. The Thames in London froze to a foot thick in the 1680s and last froze in 1814, but everyone blamed the witches. They were ignorant people then and the world was slowly warming but now we blame the motor car and yearn for the Roman days when everyone rode bicycles? It is all so illogical, unlikely and silly. You have to ask, without the IPCC which is a political organization, not scientific, would we have had man made Global Warming at all? As the years pass, it is looking too much of a coincidence.

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      Peter Miller

      I think this a very important point.

      Back in the days when I did not give a thought to the science behind ‘climate science’, I blindly accepted the concept of supposed man made global warming.

      Then one day, for reasons I do not recall, I lifted up the stone and peered underneath. It was not a pretty sight, a mass of writhing bad science worms living off the remains of decaying integrity and twisted truths.

      As any real scientist (non-government) will tell you: no other scientific field would even consider being associated with the same ethics and practices as are considered normal in today’s world of climate science.

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        PeterPetrum

        It’s strange, Peter, that is exactly what happened to me. About 10 years ago I accepted the “97% consensus”. I am not sure what changed me, but perhaps my scientific training (circa 1958!) thought me to question and to explore. Anyway, here I am, a confirmed sceptic, following David with qualified understanding and bated breath and absolutely amazed that, now, EVERY government in the world (now including Australia and Canada) has fallen for the spell of global warming / climate change / climate disruption. It is just so depressing.

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    Egor TheOne

    Well , I have reposted their videos on many occasions and won’t stop with this one !

    Great effort .

    You also got a mention Jo !

    This should be played repeatedly with monster amps at the upcoming Paris Climate Hajj and blow the Commissars ,Marxists and True B’lvers out of their seats !

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    To emphasise M4GW, not to detract

    Find yourself John Prine’s album “Common Sense” and the track of the same name.

    The refrain

    “It don’t make no sense that common sense don’t make no sense no more”.

    Been my nomination for “The Theme Song of the 21st Century” for some time

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    john karajas

    I had the pleasure of meeting a very passionate orchid enthusiast guide on a botanical tour at the Stirling Ranges south of Perth last week. You could call Brian or “Bully”, as he prefers, a confirmed conservationist. Guess what, he’s also a sceptic about carbon-dioxide induced global warming. Practical experience out in the field does that to you.

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      Egor TheOne

      Not just Practical experience , John …. “Practical experience out in the field does that to you.”

      Plain old ‘common sense’ does that to you also !

      Even I was originally somewhat on the wrong side !

      One of Lord Monckton’s Videos converted me ……the clincher for me was when he said ” don’t take my word for it or any body else’s , do your own research ”

      I did and here I am and the more I research , the more absurd this obvious hoax and idiocy becomes.

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    King Geo

    Where have all the Eagles gone? Well they have gone into hiding, at least the Eagles I am thinking about.

    A great song in this post. Many of those magnificent “birds of prey” no doubt have been munched up by those hideous giant wind turbines.

    But please spare a thought for the “blue & gold Eagles” who were munched up big time exactly 20 days ago by the rampant Hawks on the big 100,000 capacity MCG arena – a classic case of “stage fright” by an Eagles team that simply “didn’t fly high” as their theme song suggests. As you have gathered I am not a great fan of the “blue & gold” team. My dislike of this team matches that of my dislike of those hideous giant wind turbines.

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      gnome

      Eagles, hawks etc are much overrated anyway, always picking on small furry animals, reptiles and birds littler than themselves. The bullies of the birdworld!

      Still and all, it was good to see the mustard and custard over the blue and gold earlier this month even if my preference would have been for the poor bloodied swans to get up and make a stand for the underchook.

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    PeterS

    Boy those wind mills are so ugly. I hope they all burn down. Perhaps there’s another song they could apply – Burn Baby Burn!

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      gnome

      I really don’t care all that much how they look. They have a certain industrial grace, but in the drier parts of SE Australia I worry about what will happen one day when there is a hot northwesterly blowing and one does catch fire,

      There is no stopping a bushfire with a hot northwesterly behind it, and it’s going to be one of those days when one of those things does fail catastrophically, and showers the ground with burning debris.

      I hope they are all torn down before one gets to burn.

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        Multi Gaz

        They have about as much industrial grace as white tombstones in a cemetery.

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          timg56

          Keep in mind that much of what gets published about avian fatalities is model based and not actual bird counts.

          Our utility in the states is the 2nd largest utility operator of wind generation. In 10 years we have experienced a total of 4 raptor deaths. That compares to an average of 6 – 12 deaths each year from our power lines.

          I advise not to blindly accept story lines because they support your position on a topic.

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          timg56

          Visit a military cemetary sometime. The rows of uniform tombstones have a haunting grace all their own.

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    Having shared lots of thermals with eagles, soaring at considerable altitudes, I find this extremely sad. I never had one act aggressively towards me. If there’s one there’s usually his or her mate nearby. Sometimes it is obvious they are simply sharing the joy of soaring.
    The greenies know not what they do.

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      Mike

      Grafton had one put a dent in their KA 6 as I recall.

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        I wonder if the pilot HONESTLY reported what happened or if he was playing Top Gun? I have on one or two occasions managed to out climb an eagle. The eagle usually then just leaves the thermal.

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      KinkyKeith

      I have an amazing photo of a sea eagle with wings extended, tucked in half a meter above, slip streaming my 2.4 m electric glider over at Ash Island.

      He’s about as close as you can get.

      KK

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        Gee Aye

        I have a photo of him washed up on the beach after choking on tackle ingested while eating a fish with tackle intact

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    pasinby

    There will be no tears for Americas mascot, this whole sham is to bring the free world to their knees!

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    Ron Cook

    I grew up (18 yo to 20 plus yo) during that protest song era and actually liked the song “Where have all the flowers gone”. I was never involved in the protest movement BUT I do like the “Where have all the eagles gone” version. I just might have to drag my guitar out, blow the dust off and learn the “NEW” lyrics. Wooo Hooo. I could sing it to my grand children and make sure that they KNOW the TRUTH.

    I’ve shared that song on my FB page and I wonder how many more “friends” I might loose; But do I care? NO! Except how do I get the truth across to my errant friends? – Bigger than the $64,000 question me thinks.

    Regards all

    R-Coo- K+

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    Vlad the Impaler

    Very nicely done. My favorite still has to be “I’m a D*nier” (grew up on Monkees — – a LONG time ago … … … )

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    Ruairi

    Each useless wind-turbine machine,
    Leaves the countryside less and less green,
    But more and more red,
    From the bird slaughtered dead,
    And this whole warmist project obscene.

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    ExWarmist

    How long before Stephan shows up to tell us that,

    (a) This song is filled with all the usual climate denier talking points that have all been debunked a 1000 times before.

    (b) How long will it take for you guys to wake up to the fact that these videos are funded by Big Oil, just like Big Tobacco anti-science back in the 80s.

    (c) Tony Abbott liked this song so it must be bad – only crazy bad right winger libertarians would like this song.

    (d) You guys just don’t want to pay your taxes – don’t you know that the Government does really good things with your taxes – like pay my salary?

    (e) People who think like me should be in charge so that nit wit climate change deniers don’t get a chance to pollute the internet with this stuff – for goodness sakes – think of the children!

    (6) (because you know that 6 comes after e… in Stephan land) It’s been proven that not a single bird has died as a consequence of windmills or solar power stations. Anyone claiming otherwise hasn’t looked at the science. The science is clear, Windmills make electricity – they do not kill birds.

    (7) Once Paris is signed, videos like this will not be allowed to be shown – you will all go to jail for watching it. Then you will know what free speech is – that’s right, free speech is not a license to tell lies about honest government workers, we are honest people just doing our jobs and making sure everyone is safe. This video is just plain dishonest – it doesn’t agree with the science. It shows dead birds, and everyone knows that birds don’t die – except from too much CO2. Human emissions of CO2 have killed more people and more birds than all the windmills in the world.

    (8) If you paid more taxes – those birds would still be alive.

    (9) You … must … pay … more … tax!

    (10) I want a benefit defined pension and I’m not stopping till I get one.

    So there!

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      Graeme No.3

      Picking up on point 6, I was visiting Tasmania 2 weeks ago and one of the papers headlined the loss of wedge tailed eagles at one of the big wind farms.

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      Rod Stuart

      Stephan is on leave. He sent Frank in his place. Frank isn’t doing too well. Just one insanely stupid comment so far.

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    lemiere jacques

    what deniers don’t want to see is that the eagles come closer to the wind will BECAUSE of global warming, the world is becoming too hot for them to live so, as the wind mill act as huge fans, they try to get fresh air there… the point is , of course, it is because of global warming!

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      handjive

      You’re onto something there, lj.

      The Forgotten Part of 97% Doomsday Global Warming: Slower Wind.

      “Wind is created thanks to differences in temperature.

      And since the poles are warming faster than the equator, there is a smaller global temperature differential, reducing the speed of wind.”

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      handjive

      The Forgotten Part of 97% Doomsday Global Warming: Slower Wind.
      ~ ~ ~
      Unless it is the biggest hurricane evah! caused by global warming:

      Slate Mag, Oct 23, 2015, By Eric Holthaus: ‘It’s Undeniable: Climate Change Made Hurricane Patricia Worse’

      Wait. What?

      Oct 15, 2015, By Eric Holthaus:

      “If you follow the news on climate change, you’ve probably noticed a shift toward apocalyptic headlines over the last year or so, especially when the topic is Antarctica.

      That sort of framing is misleading and harmful.

      Let me repeat: There’s no scenario that’s remotely plausible that shows all of Antarctica melting by 2100.”
      . . .
      It is also undeniable that it is unplausible, misleading and harmful to associate Hurricane Patricia with Global Warming/Climate Change, when climate change makes winds slower.

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    in Hawaii

    There is a study out showing that coral bleaching is likely caused more by sunscreen
    (especially on researchers getting close to the coral)
    than by anything else.
    link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00244-015-0227-7

    But then, there likely isn’t big money for eco-religious fanatics getting cancer as they catch a few rays.

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    TdeF

    Reme’mber the fracas and weeping caused by a single article speculating that polar bears were being wiped out based on a few drowned polar bears? This would pale compared with the reality of the slaughter of birds by windmills, but it isn’t happening. No one seems to care.

    The same with Australia’s boat people disaster. 1,200 people drowned, children floating in the ocean. Four plane loads of families and nothing was said. A humanitarian disaster with more loss of life than all of Australia’s peace time disasters combined, Cyclone Tracey, Eureka, Granville, Tasman bridge, Yasi, … I added them up. You can add the Boer, Korean and Vietnam war losses too.

    When asked about it, allegedly caring Green Senator Sarah Hanson Young said coldly, “accidents happen”. Then when one man died in a riot on Manus Island, Tony Abbott had “blood on his hands”.

    There will be no Green concern about the eagles. It is an inconvenient truth and will be utterly ignored. Those poor Polar bears though. Manipulative crocodile tears from communist activists pretending to be caring and Green.

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    AndyG55

    A bit OT, but Shirley…. they can’t be serious !!

    http://www.bioenergy-news.com/display_news/8591/Tanac_to_build__60m_wood_pellet_mill_in_Brazil/

    Meanwhile Brazil says it will cut its CO2 emissions by cutting down less trees.

    This subsidy boondoggle has gone way passed a FARCE, into a COMEDIC TRAGEDY.

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      TdeF

      Great! You can earn cash for carbon credits by proposing to cut down forests and then not doing it. Is there a limit to the number of times you can not cut down something and claim a carbon credit? A perpetual cash engine. Money from Australia to pay people to do nothing, a socialist dream. All administered by a merchant bank who skims the cash and organizes the carbon indulgences, the socialist bitcoin redeemable in gold in Australia. Can we pay to stop the windmills and save the eagles? After all, they never turn when you need them so how much can it cost?

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    Neville

    Another top post from Werner Brozek at WUWT. The S polar region hasn’t warmed for the entire satellite record, using both RSS and UAH V 6. In fact RSS shows a slight cooling for nearly 37 years. So how is this possible if co2 is their dangerous driver of CAGW? The poles should show the greatest warming according to AGW theory.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/10/23/polar-puzzle-now-includes-august-data/

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      AndyG55

      As I’ve explained many times.

      Apart from the 1998 El Nino events, which added a step change of about 0.26C, there is no warming in the whole of the Global satellite data, either.

      http://woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1979/plot/rss/from:2001.2/trend/plot/rss/from:1979/to:1996/trend/plot/rss/from:2001.2/trend/offset:-.26

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        TdeF

        I am skeptical of step functions. If the BOM can argue that moving a Stevenson Screen can produce step functions, then surely changing technology completely can? If only from matching. Say a man read thermometer from 1880 had an accuracy of +/-0.5C and you changed to laboratory calibrated automated thermistors or similar, you can get +/-0.01C. What do you do with the difference?

        This change occurred across the world in the 1980s/1990s and guess what? A step of +0.5C. Man Made Global Warming was born, along with the IPCC who invented it and needed it. Why else have an UN Intergovernmental Panel? There was already a world meteorological organization but perhaps you fly first class with the UN?

        Now after 27 years of the IPCC, there are mature environmentalists with minimal to zero science skills who have been educated to believe in man made global warming. There are university departments dedicated to the concept and people with post graduate degrees in CO2 driven global warming. It must be true. Surely.

        All these jobs, careers and mortgages are threatened by the news of eagles being killed, so nothing is said. It is not about free speech. It is about a core belief of entire departments who have for 27 years taught that heavier things fall faster. No wonder Galileo was under house arrest.

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          John Robertson

          Sadly we may be cooling.
          The german study of platinum resistance thermometers run along side the mercury in glass they were replacing, over a 10 year? span. Reported 0.9C bias to higher temperature .
          Now this may just be the much faster reaction time of the electronic devices compared to mercury but the study was done, I will try to track it down, had it bookmarked on laptop that died.
          By changing to the electronic devices we “observe” temperatures as almost a full degree C warmer than the mercury in glass would have reported.
          On the step function and the “measured change” Chiefio did a hilarious post on the March of Global Warming, likening its progress around the world to a pandemic.(Sorry same dead flattop.)

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    Neville

    Judith Curry and her readers easily pull apart the latest junk science nonsense from the delusional extremists.

    http://judithcurry.com/2015/10/23/climate-closure/#more-20284

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    pat

    good one from M4GW. terrific to see Jo in it.

    one thing though. I wish they had blown up the following headlines to full screen size at some point, especially as these are all from sites that are concerned about the environment -

    Wind Farms Threaten Breeding Success Of White-Tailed Eagle, New Study Shows – Natural World News, October 2015

    Wind Farms No Longer Have the Right to Kill Eagles
    In a huge victory for wildlife and conservation, a U.S. District Court judge has struck down a controversial rule that allowed operators of wind energy facilities to accidentally kill golden eagles and bald eagles for up to 30 years, without being prosecuted.
    As Audublog reports, Judge Lucy H. Koh determined that the U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service failed to adequately determine the impact of the permits on eagle populations, as required by the National Environmental Policy Act.
    - Care2, August 2015

    Wind farm pays $2.5 milllion fine for massacring hundreds of protected birds including eagles – Natural News, February 2015

    US windfarms kill 10-20 times more than previously thought – savetheeaglesinternational.org, April 2014

    the urls:

    http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/17635/20151019/wind-farms-threaten-breeding-success-white-tailed-eagle-new-study.htm
    http://www.care2.com/causes/wind-farms-no-longer-have-the-right-to-kill-eagles.html
    http://www.naturalnews.com/048504_wind_farm_bird_deaths_eagles.html
    http://savetheeaglesinternational.org/new/us-windfarms-kill-10-20-times-more-than-previously-thought.html

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    handjive

    (ABC, 21 Oct, 2015): Giant cuttlefish numbers bounce back in South Australian waters, numbers up 128 per cent this year

    Concerns were raised at the time that commercial fisherman had begun targeting the unique site during the breeding season to catch the animals for bait and commercial purposes.

    Colder winters behind 2013 decline

    Colder than average winter water temperatures were experienced in 2011, 2012 and 2013.

    When in warmer waters, hatchlings were able to grow faster and, when released, were less likely to be attacked by smaller predators.

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    23 Oct: ReutersCarbonPulse: Ben Garside: Swollen UN climate text ups workload for Paris summit
    UN-led negotiations took a step backwards during this week’s UN climate talks in Bonn as draft text for a global pact grew longer during the penultimate formal session before the crunch December Paris summit.
    The UNFCCC secretariat on Friday published the new text, with the main agreement portion swelling to a heavily-bracketed 34 pages, primarily to reflect complaints from developing nations that the previous nine-page version had ignored many of their proposals.
    Calls to reduce aviation and shipping emissions have been included, and there are more provisions to underpin carbon markets and international trade, the absence of which had concerned some market proponents…
    One of those 20 groups was carbon trading lobby IETA, which said the additional text included much of what it had been seeking.
    “(The text) now makes clear that countries can cooperate on markets with proper accounting of transfers, and it sets policy to avoid double-counting of emissions reductions. It also creates a sustainable development crediting mechanism,” said IETA’s Jeff Swartz…
    But environmental groups warned governments that holding back on substantial negotiations threatened the overall deal.
    “Everyone wants to play their cards late, but not everyone can have the ace of spades. This process is too important to be a high-risk poker game. They need to put down their cards, and play together as a team,” said Martin Kaiser of Greenpeace, part of CAN, a coalition of ***950 green groups…
    Upcoming key dates: …READ ON
    http://carbon-pulse.com/swollen-un-climate-text-ups-workload-for-paris-summit/

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    pat

    jo has begun a new science thread, so I hope this does not go unnoticed.
    a lengthy MUST-READ:

    24 Oct: Australian: Graham Lloyd: Political potholes on the road to Paris climate change talks
    This week green groups were locked out of talks as negotiators grappled with who would fund and control more than $100 billion a year in climate finance for the developing world.
    From the sidelines, campaigners were calling for ever tougher actions on fossil fuels, pinning their hopes on the expansion of renewable technologies that so far have proved to be hugely expensive or not fit for purpose…
    But the bigger truth is that behind the fervour of urgency projected by climate groups, Australia’s redemption mirrors an equally unexpected retreat to the centre by former climate action leaders in Europe, where coal use is rising to the point that Germany is considered unlikely to meet its voluntary greenhouse gas targets.
    In Britain there is crisis in the solar and wind industries over subsidy cuts, grave concerns about winter electricity supplies because of the intermittency of renewables, and moral crisis over the closure, in part because of prohibitive energy costs from a fixed floor carbon price, of big steelmakers…
    As the Copenhagen Consensus Centre’s Bjorn Lomborg has written, despite the billions of dollars spent globally on wind and solar they still represent only a few per cent of energy production. Even with the trillions of dollars that will be spent in the future, all projections still envisage the majority of electricity supply coming from fossil fuels for many decades to come…
    Some leading climate scientists, such US-based Judith Curry, say the sensitivity of the climate system to carbon dioxide has been overstated, bringing into question just how serious long-term temperature rises will be.
    And there is a growing push to highlight the benefits of rising levels of carbon dioxide for plant growth and human comfort…
    But for many, the dream of a developing world powered by solar with batteries is the modern equivalent of “let them eat cake”.
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/political-potholes-on-the-road-to-paris-climate-change-talks/story-e6frg6z6-1227580481665

    Richard Denniss says let Australians eat cake:

    23 Oct: SMH: Richard Denniss: Everything beats optimal for climate policy
    The debate about climate change policy in Australia is almost completely broken. Indeed, the only positive thing about the last 10 years of squabbling is that it is virtually impossible for the debate to deteriorate further. An optimist might argue it has no option but to improve…
    While the Chinese government has emphasised the need to clean up its cities’ air, the consequences for climate change of their transition away from coal are no less significant. President Obama also used air quality regulation to rapidly phase out coal fired power stations in the US…
    While the atmosphere never had room to absorb all of Australia’s coal, it is now obvious that the world coal market can’t even absorb the output of all of our proposed new mines. Now that world demand for coal is flatlining, the new inconvenient truth is that new mines simply push down the price of coal and cause unemployment at existing mines…
    Similarly, while a carbon price would be nice, there is no doubt that the renewable energy target is an effective and popular policy that cuts demand for coal fired electricity. Shorten’s commitment to a 50 per cent RET while up against Abbott was a bold move. That said, if Turnbull matches that target I’d rather the ALP counter with an even bigger RET than a weak carbon price…
    When you are in a hole, the first thing to do is stop digging. A moratorium on new coal mines would be an obvious place to start.
    http://www.smh.com.au/comment/everything-beats-optimal-for-climate-policy-20151021-gkfdur

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    pat

    ***a convenient hurricane…55 pages…and living in “an entirely different world”, admittedly made richer during all the CAGW they tout!

    23 Oct: Financial Times: Pilita Clark: Climate talks fail to break deadlock
    Tense talks aimed at smoothing the way for a new global climate change accord ended on Friday with an emotional appeal from Mexico’s envoy for delegates to stop bickering as his country prepared to be struck by one of the strongest hurricanes on record.
    ***Struggling to hold back tears, Roberto Dondisch Glowinski told a meeting wracked by bitter squabbles that people were being evacuated ahead of the level-five Hurricane Patricia…
    But the negotiations ran overtime on Friday after delegates sparred over a draft text of the accord that ballooned from 20 to ***55 pages, in a jarring reminder of the difficulties lying ahead of the French meeting.
    “This is not where we need to be so close to the Paris conference,” said Australia’s climate envoy, Peter Woolcott…
    Laurence Tubiana, France’s climate ambassador, said she was disappointed the Bonn meeting had ended without any real negotiating taking place. “We have no Plan B”…
    “I’ve seen this movie before,” said Venezuelan envoy, Claudia Salerno, as the talks bogged down in acrimonious procedural debates late on Thursday.
    “I hope this is not going to be a really, really nasty second Copenhagen,” she said…
    But EU envoys slammed what they described as “outdated rhetoric” from developing countries that ignored the fact that the world had changed significantly since the climate talks began in the 1990s.
    ***“We live in an entirely different world,” said Elina Bardram, head of the European Commission’s delegation. “The donor base can be broader.”…
    http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/c31543fe-79a2-11e5-933d-efcdc3c11c89.html

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    pat

    23 Oct: NYT Dot Earth: Andrew C. Revkin: Climate Talks Imperiled by Rich-Poor Fight Over Hard Targets for Aid
    But a much tougher battle for hard targets — over money — has moved into the foreground and could still do for Paris what the emissions fight did for Copenhagen. As the final preparatory weeklong round of talks in Bonn wound to a close tonight, developing countries stood firm on calls for cash, not another I.O.U…
    It’s tough to see how that stalemate can break, but given the pressure for “success” in Paris (pick your definition), presumably something will be worked out some time on Dec. 12 (the day after the talks are scheduled to end).
    Here are a couple of relevant Twitter comments, starting with a note about Mexico’s lead delegate growing emotional in describing the danger posed by Hurricane Patricia…
    Here’s the best possible interpretation of the outcome, from Christiana Figueres, who leads the U.N. office shepherding the talks…
    Figueres Tweet: We now have balanced & complete Party-owned text. Challenge = bring it down to concise & coherent form…
    All of which brings back to mind my quandary over whether the best soundtrack for the treaty process comes from the Talking Heads (“Same as it ever was….”) or T Bone Burnett (“They just talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, but they don’t say nothing….”).
    Actually, I vote for T Bone…
    http://dotearth.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/10/23/climate-talks-imperiled-by-rich-poor-fight-over-hard-targets-for-aid/?_r=0
    (only four comments when posting, but worth noting.)

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    pat

    23 Oct: WaPo: Ed Rogers: The Insiders: Obama’s road to Paris is paved with pretentious hypocrisy
    The U.N.-sponsored Paris festival lends itself to unrealistic giveaways and meaningless rhetoric — the more self-righteous and pretentious, the better. The meeting won’t produce any particular result, and the day of reckoning where we find out it was all for naught won’t be scientifically determined until many years in the future. It seems well-suited for this president.
    All Obama has to do is go to Paris, give a vapid speech about saving the planet, capitulate to those who would like to see the United States weakened, pretend that others will fulfill their pledges to reduce carbon emissions and then return home to a round of self-congratulations from his own staff and sycophant appointees. To follow up on his brave proposals, all he has to do is sign a couple of executive orders that slap American businesses with some gratuitous, onerous regulations and declare that a noble deed has been done. And, by the way, the White House will have to do whatever it takes to keep any agreement reached in Paris from being voted on in Congress…
    Isn’t it a little ironic that the elite will meet in Paris, of all places, to plan the energy scarcity they want the rest of us to endure? The bar at the Hotel George V seems to be the perfect place to decide that Africa will remain energy-starved and the rest of us will have to pay more for the energy we have.
    The pious media parade has already begun…
    No skeptics will be given the microphone. Only the most zealous among the affluent will be allowed to talk and only the most compliant among the poor will be allowed to beg…
    Thankfully, a few sober Republican senators, including Sen. James Inhofe (R-Okla.), are on the case…
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2015/10/23/the-insiders-obamas-road-to-paris-is-paved-with-pretentious-hypocrisy/

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    Jimmy haigh

    The establishment is now made up of the old lefty/liberal set.

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    Thanks for posting Jo!

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      Ironically, the whole Greeny Weeny movement got started by a book called “Silent Spring” where some gal in Wisconsin anecdotally didn’t see any Robins one year and blamed DDT.

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