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The IPCC tells us that anthropogenic global warming (AGW) leads to less cloud cover, which they say along with water vapour, is a positive feedback. If AGW leads to reduced cloud cover, which then results in more solar energy being absorbed by Earth, further accelerating global warming, doesn’t that create a self-reinforcing positive feedback loop with no natural limit — one that should, in theory, lead to runaway warming regardless of how small the initial warming was?
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https://joannenova.com.au/2008/10/the-missing-hotspot/
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a self-reinforcing positive feedback loop with no natural limit
In your example, there is a natural limit when cloud cover is reduced to zero.
No need however to try to compute what the temperature would be at that point, as Dave in the States points out, the missing ‘hot spot’ falsifies the entire AGW proposition.
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It’s circular logic. The only way they can get the models to match observation is by positive feedback – CO2 doesn’t do nearly enough on its own. They don’t consider the possibility that clouds operate independently of CO2 and are a cause of warming in their own right. CO2 has gone up and clouds have gone down, and the modellers had to assume that CO2 was the cause in order to keep CO2 “in charge” of the climate. If clouds actually have their own independent behaviour, CAGW collapses.
See my 2022 WUWT article.
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I think you are correct to say that if less clouds is caused by more heat, then the Earth’s temperature would have run away long ago, regardless of any inputs.
I would be more interested in any studies which showed that a product, or the absence of a product, caused less clouds. This could be much more significant on the global weather than the CO2.
An example may be the use and then the limitation in the use of high sulfur bunker fuels in transport. It has been shown that the high bunker fuels emit lots of particulate matter and that this then leads to cloud formation, (how much is up for grabs).
Since the limitation on the use of this global fuel the temperatures have risen. Is any due to the lack of this fuel?
Pollution is not normally a good thing but we accept it when a forest burns, (controlled burn), and we accept it when a volcano erupts, maybe we should accept it forshipping too. If the shipping is required, why not use it beneficially? Assuming of course that we need to. As required by the governments around the world, to pacify their faith(?) or their ‘scientists’ employment.
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I can’t remember the name of the scientist that was the lead author in the study that I’m assuming the IPCC uses to support this “”theory”. However the study found was done on ocean surface temperatures and cloud cover. Because she (the lead scientist) found that wherever sea surface temp was higher, the cloud cover was lower thus concluding that the warmer ocean caused reduced cloud cover. It never entered her pea sized brain that perhaps reduced cloud cover led to higher sea surface temperatures.
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The Southern Hemisphere has more cloud than the NH because of oceanic expanse, while continents have less cloud. If you scroll down to the last chart it becomes abundantly clear that we are dealing with a negative feedback.
https://www.scienceunderattack.com/blog/2024/5/27/shrinking-cloud-cover-cause-or-effect-of-global-warming-156
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NO!
What I remember is that the “run away” would be by INCREASED atmospheric water vapor then more warming/more water vapor (more and worsening storms) etc. Thus we should be observing more clouds not less.
However your IPCC are idio1s so none of it is true.
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Those readers of this blog who have studied chemistry will probably remember Le Chatelier’s Principle which states that If a dynamic equilibrium is disturbed by changing the conditions, the position of equilibrium moves to counteract the change. I don’t know if Le Chatelier’s Principle only applies to chemical reactions in equilibrium or whether it is a feature of all sorts of systems in equilibrium. If the latter is true and it applies to the climate system then you would not expect runaway warming.
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Includes extensively damning video evidence.
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Steve of Cornubia asks-
what dose of Ivermectin has been recommended for treating cancer.
I have this figure:
One mg per kg of body weight per day.
For a 50 kg person this would be 50mg per day.
I assume this is a long term dosage continued until an improvement in the condition.
Source: This website!.
Regret, I did not record the date or web address.
This may be of interest:
https://imahealth.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Cancer-Care-FLCCC-Dr-Paul-Marik-v2.pdf
Page 68 note 6, a confused dose.
..ah, go to pages 93 and 94 for more detail.
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I’ve heard of some people treating cancer with food. I think this idea was popularized by Max Gerson in the 1920s.
With malignant melanoma, the Gerson Therapy is apparently good:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9359807/
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With all these existing and new off-label uses being discovered for inexpensive and safe pharmaceutical substances like IVM and Vitamin D, I’m very concerned that Australia’s TGA (equivalent to US FDA) will move to highly restrict these. And in Australia, GPs are still not allowed to prescribe HCQ for covid, but can prescribe IVM.
The ban on HCQ for covid-19 treatment is from 2020 and still in place.
https://www.tga.gov.au/resources/publication/scheduling-decisions-final/notice-amendment-current-poisons-standard-under-paragraph-52d2a-therapeutic-goods-act-1989
They even quote the Oxford RECOVERY trial which claimed HCQ was ineffective even though it wasn’t administered according to the Zelenko Protocol.
https://www.tga.gov.au/news/safety-alerts/amendments-new-restrictions-prescribing-hydroxychloroquine-covid-19
Note that TGA are fanatical follows of WHO’s “advice”, an organisation so incompetent President TRUMP withdrew from it.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/withdrawing-the-united-states-from-the-worldhealth-organization/
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Wow – GPS can now prescribe Ivermectin for Covid? I was not aware of that. Even so, I wonder how many would actually do this?
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Vicki, they can, at least in Victoriastan.
Most won’t because they conform strictly to the Official Narrative.
The same reason most are clueless about correcting Vitamin D deficiency. The Official Narrative discourages testing as I noted yesterday.
GPs are trained to follow the Official Narrative and whatever Big Pharma and their marketing arm, the TGA, says is good.
My GP is different as he is also trained as a scientist so thinks differently to most others.
There are a few other GPs that think likewise, including ones who post here and those who have even put their careers on the line, or lost them, due to covid issues. Most don’t.
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There was discussion in the past here around Vitamin D doses/levels and (IIRC) the “official adequate level” here is that adequate for preventing rickets. But that is sub-optimal for other general health considerations.
I take 4000 IU daily. My last senior’s report has my levels as “153 nmol/L” with the comment that
“Elevated 25-hydroxyvitaminD levels are caused by excessive supplementation” -though the medico made no mention of excess dosage
The report has an adequate levels as “> 49 nmol/L at the end of winter (levels may need to be 10-20 nmol/L higher at end of summer”
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Robert Clancy has endorsed prescribing IVM and HCQ off-label (usually with an antibiotic and zinc) to treat Covid. That’s good enough for me.
Without having access to IVM or HCQ, I’ve used quercetin in recent years. Like the 2 aforementioned drugs, it’s a zinc ionophore. Take it with Vit C and zinc to optimise cell absorption of the zinc. I also use a nasal spray containing carrageenan periodically if l have a runny nose or been around symptomatic people. I haven’t had a sick day from work in over 3 years.
For those looking to treat cancer, curcumin may be worth examination. The IMA used AI to search for useful drugs and substances to treat cancer and curcumin came in at number 2 on the list between Ivermectin and Fenbendazole. Extracting sugar from your diet and applying a combination of these drugs/spice extract may provide some positive results.
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Thanks Lucky. I have been following the FLCCC, which recently became the IMA, for some time and that’s where I got the dosage my wife is currently using – 12mg/day. She is very petite so we went for the lower end of the suggested range of 12-18mg. Similarly, this was suggested as an ongoing dose.
I also saw the info you posted but because she experienced low blood pressure when she started the Ivermectin, we’re wary of increasing it. On the other hand, it doesn’t seem to be doing much so far.
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This is a nice primer on how climate change deniers try to deceive you:
https://tamino.wordpress.com/2025/04/07/global-temperature-can-anthony-watts-sucker-you/
https://tamino.wordpress.com/2025/04/09/un-natural-variation-the-elephant-in-the-room/
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Simon I can’t see anything there which demonstrates how man-made atmospheric CO2 is causing global warming or what you call climate change.
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Marcott et al (2013) is cited a lot in that article. The authors have already disowned the “unprecedented” uptick at the modern end of the graph. After facing criticism, Marcott said the graph was not “statistically robust” and not “representative of global temperature changes”.
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Yet more misrepresentation. The authors said the proxies weren’t statistically robust over the 20th Century. Actual measurement confirms that the reconstruction is valid. https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2013/04/anomalous-warmth-context-for-comments-on-critiques-of-study-in-science/
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Good to see Tamino is still out there yelling at the sky
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Meh- Even the heading is enough to tell me all about the opinions within:
“KIDS’ LIVES MATTER so let’s stop climate change”
..and anyone with a brain would discount all temperature readings taken with an electronic thermometer, they are not comparable to any other method. His little hockey-stick at the end of each graph is just rubbish Simon!
“since the 20th century we seen over 1°C global warming.” Seriously? How could anyone believe that? Just another Leftist with their head exploding..
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The correct term is “Human Induced Global Climate Change Skeptics”.
Nobody denies that there has been 4.5 billion years of “natural global climate change”, but I see the results of “human induced urban microclimate change” every day when I drive through the modest city that I live in with the outside temperature varying by up to 2degC in the 5 minutes it takes to drive through.
The “hockey stick” temperature graph could easily represent the number of thermometers measuring temperature that have ballooned through time – a significant number subject to the UHI effect I see most days. The appearance of “ghost” data points (as in the UK) is a real concern.
Let me know when you find a suitable proxy to estimate the temperature at the site of the weather stations in my region.
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Old man yelling at clouds.
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Marcott and Mann are in the same boat, using hockey sticks to alarm the populace. This is a better fit and we are nowhere near the Holocene Climate Optimum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocene_climatic_optimum#/media/File:Holocene_Temperature_Variations.png
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Still using Jo’s traffic to support a loser web site?
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Say in your wildest dream you convince them in their 1000s, what then ? Even those who say they are convinced by the science are still in denial about the scale of the emissions reductions needed. An example, we still laughably have some climate scientists flying around the world and nonsese solutions like ecars proposed instead of bicycles and closing airports.
That said, there is dignity in “being the change” and keeping your emissions at about 2-3t per annum and only voting Green. Anything else is as Greta T opined just “blah blah blah”.
From the comments.
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Ah, both your links have Michael Mann’s invented hockey stick.
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https://metatron.substack.com/p/a-critical-reassessment-of-the-anthropogenic
Carbon Cycle and CO₂ Residence: Human CO₂ emissions constitute only 4% of the annual global carbon cycle. The authors argue that CO₂ has a residence time of 3-5 years in the atmosphere (not 100+ years as the IPCC suggests), indicating natural processes quickly absorb human emissions.
Temperature-CO₂ Relationship: Using stochastic analysis, the authors claim temperature changes precede CO₂ increases by 6-12 months, suggesting temperature drives CO₂ levels through natural processes like oceanic outgassing, rather than CO₂ driving temperature.
Climate Model Failures: The paper argues that CMIP climate models consistently overestimate warming and fail to predict observed temperature patterns, with near-zero correlation to actual measurements. They claim models exaggerate CO₂ climate sensitivity.
Solar Influence: The authors propose that variations in Total Solar Irradiance (TSI) better explain observed warming, arguing the IPCC arbitrarily selected a low-variability TSI reconstruction that minimizes solar influence.
Data Adjustment Criticism: The paper criticizes temperature dataset adjustments (cooling past temperatures, warming recent ones) as creating artificial warming trends that align with model predictions rather than reality.
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Another Simon post…an analogy for instructions on shampoo bottles.
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Here is an intereting video by Anton Petrov about Prototaxites, the first large terrestrial organisms and which are classified by some as fungi but others as an extinct taxonomic group.
Paper: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2025.03.14.643340v1.full
Video:
https://youtu.be/lPGIVwWjjEw
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As Jo reported yesterday, I am impressed that the Libs say they are going to remove Liebor’s large vehicle tax.
I wish that was a legally binding commitment as all political promises should be.
I really didn’t imagine they’d do something like that. They normally just let bad legislation pile up.
If the Libs want to win they need to remove many other Liebor excesses such as that one.
And abandon the Paris Accords and bring Australia’s electricity supply back to how it was before Howard started turning it “green”.
Apart from The Australian how much was that policy reported in the Lamestream Media?
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“abandon the Paris Accords”
In practice yes , but there is no good in advertising that fact ; just quietly do it , like everybody else
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The Libs should have run an education campaign about the Anthropogenic Global Warming fr@ud since the last time they lost the election.
If Australians still don’t understand, and have also failed in their moral duty to inform themselves, then they deserve the economic collapse which “green” energy is continuing to bring.
It’s a huge gamble voting for the Libs instead of a conservative minor party just “hoping” they’ll withdraw from Paris. I don’t think they will. The Libs are still controlled by the far Left faction of the party, the self-described “moderates”.
Sadly, many decent people will also suffer in the coming Australian economic collapse brought about by “green” energy and massive Government overspending.
People can still vote for their preferred small party conservative and give preferences to the Libs. You are not wasting your vote if you do so.
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“The Libs should have run an education campaign xc since the last time they lost the election.”
I don’t think the Libs have the intellectual capacity to run an education campaign about a water tap let alone about Anthropogenic Global Warming fr@ud
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If you do it so quietly that the electorate don’t know your intentions, then you don’t become government.
It needs to be sold to the public. Something as simple as, the Paris agreement makes your groceries 30% more expensive. Dump it.
Apparently it doesn’t matter if you lie during electioneering. If you doubt me, can I have my $275 now?
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Luxury car tax is worth a look also, as we no longer have a local car industry that we can pretend we are protecting
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Yes. That too.
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Donald Trump is giving the socialist/communist world a big shake, and about time. One of the most vile claims is that Donald Trump is a threat to democracy – as usual, the opposite of the truth. A typical line from France24 (CNN, BBC, ABC, CBC, etc, all do it): “Since his inauguration for a second term on January 20, US President Donald Trump has been shaking US democracy to its core with his executive orders….“.
They can’t (or won’t) tell the difference between bureaucracy and democracy. Bureaucracy is the socialist/communist weapon. Democracy is the people’s weapon.
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>One of the most vile claims is that Donald Trump is a threat to democracy – as usual, the opposite of the truth
Donald Trump is a great example of the BENEFIT of democracy.
Donald Trump is a RESULT of democracy.
Donald Trump’s victory has been a CELEBRATION of democracy.
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‘Democracy is the people’s weapon.’
The US under Trump might become an illiberal democracy or perhaps an electoral autocracy.
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and what do you think it was prior?
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‘Liberal democracy emphasizes the separation of powers, an independent judiciary, and a system of checks and balances between branches of government.’ (wiki)
Donnie’s behaviour is unprecedented and he would like a third term, do you think it possible?
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Go have a nap for at least 12 years and when you wake up we can see if you were right.
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The wsws.org Socialist Equality Party website had an article last week leading with “Millions took to the streets last weekend in historic demonstrations against Trump’s efforts to establish a fascistic dictatorship”; from time to time I sneak a peek at one of SEP’s emails in my spam folder and snort at what shows up.
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https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/another-climate-alarmist-admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/
This isn’t new, but it seems to be the same aim as the Lima Declaration of the mid 1970’s.
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If they were honest, the climate alarmists would admit that they are not working feverishly to hold down global temperatures — they would acknowledge that they are instead consumed with the goal of holding down capitalism and establishing a global welfare state.
Have doubts? Then listen to the words of former United Nations climate official Ottmar Edenhofer:
“One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with the environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole,” said Edenhofer, who co-chaired the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change working group on Mitigation of Climate Change from 2008 to 2015.
So what is the goal of environmental policy?
“We redistribute de facto the world’s wealth by climate policy,” said Edenhofer.
For those who want to believe that maybe Edenhofer just misspoke and doesn’t really mean that, consider that a little more than five years ago he also said that “the next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which the distribution of the world’s resources will be negotiated.”
Mad as they are, Edenhofer’s comments are nevertheless consistent with other alarmists who have spilled the movement’s dirty secret. Last year, Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of U.N.’s Framework Convention on Climate Change, made a similar statement.
“This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution,” she said in anticipation of last year’s Paris climate summit.
“This is probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model for the first time in human history.”
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Conservatives and fellow rational thinkers should not call Leftists in they way Leftists like to describe themselves as “progressives”.
They are regressives, not progressives.
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More like repressives
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Yes. That too.
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Maoist comes to mind too.
Is there a similar phrase for Pol Pot? Is it Potty? Maybe the abbreviated. Leftists are really “Po(o) Potty”.
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Progressives? Towards what? A cliff?
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Australia’s e Safety Kommisar, a Liberal created position, censors Australia’s social media.
She has tried to censor Senator for Victoria Senator Babet.
He posted on Farcebook:
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THE FOLLY OF ‘DANGEROUS ROADS’.
We are frequently bombarded with TV news stories that involve traffic accidents.
In many cases the reporters post sound bites or interviews with witnesses or family members who often say: “it’s a dangerous road”, “it’s a dangerous corner” or “it’s a dangerous roundabout” and “there should be speed humps”, or “lower the speed limit”, etc.
Those opinions are rubbish!
To blame the road, an inanimate object, is infantile.
In the overwhelming majority of cases the cause of the accident is either error or negligence on the part of the driver.
The fundamental road rule is that we should at all times drive safely taking into account the prevailing conditions, such as the road condition, the weather, the visibility, the traffic signals and the surrounding traffic.
The roads in some cases may not be perfect but it’s up to the driver to take that into account and take appropriate actions and not to take undue risks.
Blaming the roads is a kneejerk and emotional reaction by people who can’t face the facts and the road rules.
It is the worst form of rationalistion!
If an accident occurs, a person made a mistake, full stop.
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On the other hand, not bringing to attention particular sections of dangerous roads gives politicians an excuse not to get them fixed. Thus, money ostensibly collected for roads such as petrol taxes and vehicle registration will continue to be misallocated for other purposes.
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Some of the worst potholes are on otherwise reasonable stretches of road and ‘hidden’ by shadows from small trees. No matter how carefully one looks out for them, they are difficult to avoid and therefore very dangerous. I memorise all the ‘bad’ places (as on the way to Seymour from here) but new ones suddenly appear. In the shadows and with oncoming large trucks they are hard to avoid. We have had pothole damage to our car; not all of us drive large utes with huge tyres that can easily ride over them.
There was a disgracefully bad section of road outside the Trawool Resort, preceded by a highly inadequately-distanced warning. I would slow down gently before reaching it, only to have some ute-driving ninny right up my backside. Sorry mate…not puncturing my tyres or wrecking my steering because of your impatience!
That section of road has finally, finally, been repaired.
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Bicycle riders , who seem to favour Hi Vis black, are equally invisible in those shaded sections. The are happy to spend $1000s on bikes and snappy attire but somehow it seems only a minority will spend a few bucks on a flashing LED light.
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Engineer1, #11
____So, we must accept road surfaces blemished by plumbing work, whiteanted mallee roots and damage done, ironically, by extreme dry weather?
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Not to mention by floods (2023/4) and now very dry weather and poorly done repair work. There is a road near here which has been ‘repaired’at least four times in the last five years and is falling apart again…sigh.
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I drive on the Bruce Highway between Calliope and Rockhampton several times per month.
There are places where one has to – literally – decide which pothole to hit, because there is no other option, the surface is falling apart right across the lane/s.
Do you choose the shallower one closer to the centre line (that might do less damage to your suspension), or the larger one towards the outside (that can do far more damage to your suspension and cause more instability) to leave a safer margin with the opposing traffic?
Patches here and there don’t solve the problem. The patches just lift out again in a couple of weeks or after another fall of rain.
The Bruce in particular is not just dangerous in places, it’s an outright insult.
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You are not referring to the “Bruce Highway” by its proper name, It is the
BRUISE HIGHWAY.
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“If an accident occurs, a person made a mistake, full stop.”
That is true in theory, but a trip to a first-world country like NZ would show you how third-world Australia’s roads are. The roads here are abysmal!! Areas are worse than places I drove on in Africa, yet everyone just gets around it by driving utes & SUVs instead of making roads a higher priority for Govt spending.
Money should be spent on ripping up the basecourse and re-making it properly, not running a hammer-mill over the top and replacing the 50mm under the seal, or even worse, just patching a small area with a hot tar spray. Rain just destroys Australian roads, although it might be different for city-dwellers, but they can all catch a bus or a train so don’t need cars anyway. Building a better subgrade and making sure it is drained, then a sealed subbase on top would stop roads cracking in the dry only to fail as water gets down in the cracks when it rains.
Driving a modified car with stiff suspension gives me an interest in the roads we use, and a wife who is a roading geologist is always telling me stories…
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Why not? They blame firearms (the inanimate objects) for the damage caused by the operator don’t they?
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Albion takes a trip to Ukraine to give them their orders, the British Royals still trying to control the world..
“Prince Harry made an unannounced visit to Ukraine on Thursday …His trip to Ukraine came as Britain considers deploying troops to Ukraine for five years under plans being discussed by allies, ”
and he’s so popular in the UK he is fighting to retain his tax-payer funded security team each time he flies home.
“he appeared in a court in London to argue that he needed state-backed security for him and his family in the United Kingdom because his “life was at risk”.”
Seems like some of the Brits have an idea what is wrong with the country and how to fix it.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/prince-harry-makes-secret-visit-to-ukraine-20250411-p5lr6a.html?js-chunk-not-found-refresh=true
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He left his job as royalty, therefore not entitled to taxpayer funded security.
Also, if he is worried about his safety, why go to The Ukraine?
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“Albion takes a trip to Ukraine”
‘Scuse my ignorance, who or what is Albion. ?
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as much as I don’t like Wikipedia , this explanation seemed to best suit the context
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfidious_Albion
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Harry has delusions of relevance
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I would love to see the link connecting notorious war monger, the destroyer of Istanbul agreement, B. Johnson to this trip of a Royal-on-pension.
In fact – any link to Albion attempts to rule the world…
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Boris it seems is a particularly evil individual who sabotaged an agreement that may have saved and/or left unbroken probably 100’s of thousands of lives.
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“any link to Albion attempts to rule the world…”
Ask any Russian Vlad, they will have a fine opinion of Albion and the Great Game. The British and their rulers, the French, have been trying to destroy Russia for over 120years.
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https://t.co/iRCBPOnAnR
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Tucker is to foreign policy as Trump is to DEI, Donald loves his Putin.
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‘DNI Releases CIA Documents on Clinton’s ‘Plan’ to Tie Trump Campaign to Russia’
https://www.yahoo.com/news/dni-releases-cia-documents-hillary-204337457.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_re
Old news … came out in Congressional nearly two years ago during John Durham investigation hearings.
Special counsel John Durham concludes FBI never should have launched full Trump-Russia probe
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/15/politics/john-durham-report-fbi-trump-released/index.html
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I’m sorry to have missed yesterday’s discussion on the NVES.
It’s appalling NVES, New Vehicle Emissions Standards. Does anyone actually read this rubbish? It’s the most impenetrable legislation I have ever read.
And designed to be so. You can lose your business if you do not understand this law.
All transactions involving units are made through a registry.
There are a number of offences and civil penalties in relation to the vehicle efficiency standard and the registry.
A range of compliance and enforcement powers are provided for, primarily by applying the Regulatory Powers Act.
But the text! It is so filled with acronyms it is nearly unreadable. And formulae!
21 Emissions target
The emissions target for a vehicle for a year is the number worked out using the following formula: HL + MAF(DM-RM)
HL is the headline limit for the vehicle for the year.
MAF is the mass adjustment factor for the vehicle for the year.
DM is the designated MIRO for the vehicle for the year.
RM is the reference MIRO for the vehicle for the year
Final emissions value
A person’s final emissions value for a year is the number worked out using the following formula: IEV – U
IEV is the person’s interim emissions value for the year. U is the number of units extinguished under section 42 for the purpose of reducing the person’s final emissions value for the year.
19 Interim emissions value
A person’s interim emissions value for a year is the number worked out using the following formula (rounded to the nearest whole number and rounded up if the first decimal place is 5 or more):
18 Final emissions value
A person’s final emissions value for a year is the number worked out using the following formula:
IEV – U
where:
IEV is the person’s interim emissions value for the year.
U is the number of units extinguished under section 42 for the purpose of reducing the person’s final emissions value for the year.
19 Interim emissions value
A person’s interim emissions value for a year is the number worked out using the following formula (rounded to the nearest whole number and rounded up if the first decimal place is 5 or more): ∑i(Ei – Eti)
where: i is a covered vehicle for the person for the year
So I wondered how anyone in Canberra wrote this? And then I decided, they didn’t. They copied it from the UK.
A clue is in the text.
Headline limits for years in the introductory period were determined consistently with the NEDC (New European Driving Cycle) test procedure.
Now why are Australian laws referencing typical driving cycles in Europe? Obviously driving around Kent is very similar to driving around Bathurst. Or London with Adelaide.
and these ‘headline limits’ drop precipitously.
Item Yes Type 1 vehicles Type 2 vehicles
1 2025 141 210
2 2026 117 180
3 2027 92 150
4 2028 68 122
5 2029 58 110
So CO2 has to go down x 2.5 in four years! Surely they’re kidding!
How many more CO2 laws are there about which Australians know nothing? What is the total take in cash credits, kept out of general revenue?
You have to be kidding if you thought this could be understood by Chris Bowen or Jaqui Lambie.
We are being pushed off a cliff. And the law factory in Canberra is running full steam ahead with more and more departments collecting more and more cash for growing trees overseas. As NASA can tell you, growing trees does not affect CO2. It’s all international theft. All with the idea that Australia alone can save the planet. If you believe that, you are beyond help.
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And it all references a ‘person’. The closest I can come to the definition of a ‘person’ is that “Registry accounts may be opened by persons who have vehicles covered by the standard”
This implies a person is someone who has multiple ‘vehicles’, so presumably a dealer or importer.
This is in common with the RET, the attack is on dealers so that the public does not see what they are paying or that they are being offered cheaper electric cars because dealers are forced to sell them and so discount them and the loss must be added to the petrol cars.
It’s absolutely insidious. But no different to the Renewable Energy(Electricity) Act 2001 or the Safeguard Mechanism (2024). Britain copied our first successful illegal carbon dioxide tax where neither carbon dioxide or tax is mentioned. And we returned the favor by copying their CO2 penalties which push up the cost of petrol cars by penalizing car dealers or importers.
Parliament is out of control. They are passing laws which are intended to deceive the public and even the politicians. Many think Australia does not have some of the world’s largest and most punitive carbon taxes and do not know that this money goes overseas.
We have paid for the windmills but we don’t own them! Like in Victoria we have paid for the freeways but the new owners and the government split the loot. Like the Tullarmarine Freeway to the airport. The right to toll expired perhaps ten years ago and yet we still pay to drive on our own roads. And I presume the same people are the ones making very sure the rail to the airport is never built, even though the tracks have been there for a century.
Australia is being robbed by our public servants and the beneficiaries. These laws are illegal by all democratic tradition since Magna Carta. Enriching third parties and hidden in our costs of electricity and cars and goods and services so that no one knows they exist. Except the people who wrote them and those who receive the billions in cash.
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Parliament is out of control?
Au contraire, Parliament is completely under the control of the bureaucracy.
Parliamentarians didn’t write this gobbledygook. The bureaucracy wrote it at the behest of those who would gain from it.
And the Emperor’s New Clothes syndrome is rife. Those who vote pretend they know what the bureaucracy is doing.
Bah humbug.
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Forrest Gardener:
Canberra is full of bureaucrats who believe that there is a never-ending source of money from the public. This maintains their current living standards and their future hopes.
Their problem is generating enough enthusiasm among their puppets (i.e. most politicians) to keep this going. Hence this copy of stupid policy from Germany and the UK which has wrecked their automotive industries and their economies. Our politicians are conditioned to accept anything that others have said or done.
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It’s part of the Left’s ongoing war against the motorist.
The Left have always hated the freedom and independence that the personal motor vehicle brought to non-Elites.
And cars are not compatible with the free range prisons known as “15 minute cities” (or in Australia “20 minute neighbourhoods” or “Activity Centres”) the Left want all non-Elites to live in.
https://intelligence.weforum.org/monitor/latest-knowledge/8d496bec33e74bd9b0e0eaf99b9a1f8f
https://www.planning.vic.gov.au/guides-and-resources/strategies-and-initiatives/20-minute-neighbourhoods
https://www.planning.vic.gov.au/guides-and-resources/strategies-and-initiatives/activity-centres-program
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My concern is that these are not just lies. They are Australian laws with serious penalties. And no one can read them. Or understands them. I will have to dedicate some real time just to understand where the money goes in this law and how that translates into $10,000 extra for cars. This amount will explode by 2029. These are rubbish laws, unworkable, unjustified and not intelligible.
Laws must be written so that ordinary people can understand them easily. Otherwise what is the point of laws no one understands? How can they be expected to obey the law?
I am just appalled, not only at this law, but at the number of such impenetrable money grabbing society crippling laws. And always the money is turned into Credits/Certificates you have to buy with real cash. And no one knows where the cash goes or to whom. Or cares. We are saving the world.
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The problem is in Washington, Whitehall, Canberra. Public servants out of control. And parliaments rubberstamping wrong laws, laws they do not and cannot read and creating big departments for running registers to oppress the citizens with penalties for no justifiable reason at all.
For that you have Gillard’s CARBON CREDITS (CARBON FARMING INITIATIVE) ACT 2011
and Rudd’s NATIONAL GREENHOUSE AND ENERGY REPORTING ACT 2007
These are used to collect cash for CO2/CH4 and that money can go to anyone who qualifies for an emissions avoidance project.
You have to be mad to think this is all science. It is robbery with licence.
And the public has no idea how much of their money is flowing down these rivers, buried in everything you buy, not just electricity any more. But they are very careful to avoid taxing petrol as that is political dynamite. Just EVERYTHING ELSE.
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Most politicians never read the laws they vote on and likely would be too stupid to understand them if they did.
The laws are usually written by or strongly influenced by senior public serpents who are control freaks with malicious Far Left political agendas.
I also seriously question the literacy and numeracy of most politicians.
For example, how many could write billion in numerals?
Or write a basic combustion equation C + O2 -> CO2?
Or know the percentage of CO2 in the atmosphere?
Or can pronounce “nuclear” which Al-bozo and Bowen seem incapable of doing because they’re simpletons? Two of our most important politicians.
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It’s a bit like Biden with his AutoSign. Who is writing these laws? They must be rubber stamps of British laws.
And to show how impenetrable this law is, the word ‘person’ is used 261 times. And it is not defined. That is intolerable.
Everyone is a person. It’s ridiculous to suggest that this act applies to everyone. So we are left to work it out, that a person is someone who registers and that persons is someone who owns ‘vehicles’ to which the act applies. Can a company register? Can a company be a person? There is so much unsaid!
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I even found it impossible to cut and paste as this Act uses Greek symbols for the rules stored as pictograms. What law required Greek mathematical expressions? You know you are faking it when you need complex formulae. I cannot even post them here.
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Kerry Packer Tax Transcript
In 1991, Kerry Packer appeared before a Senate committee to discuss the tax affairs of his company, Australian Consolidated Press. During the hearing, Packer made several notable statements about tax minimization.
He asserted, “I am not evading tax in any way, shape or form. Now of course I am minimising my tax and if anybody in this country doesn’t minimise their tax, they want their heads read because as a government I can tell you you’re not spending it that well that we should be donating extra.”
Packer also stated, “I didn’t try to sneak around the back door, or sneak underneath is. These rules were made in 1986. ‘I read the rules and said, ‘What am I allowed to do?’ And that’s exactly what we’ve done. Now, why do you want to change the rules again?’
He further commented on the frequency of new laws, saying, “From the time I was 18, 19 years of age to now, there must be 10,000 new laws being passed, and I don’t really think it’s that much better a place. ‘If you want to pass a new law, why don’t you do it when you’ve repealed an old one? This idea of just passing legislation every time someone blinks is a nonsense.'”
And I’d like to make a suggestion to you, which I think would be far more useful, if you want to pass a new law, why don’t you only do it when you’ve repealed an old one?
I mean, this idea of just passing legislation every time someone blinks is a nonsense.
Nobody knows it. Nobody understands it. You’ve got to be a lawyer. They’ve got books up to here, purely and simply to do the things we used to do.
And every time you pass a law, you take somebody’s privileges away from them.
Packer’s aggressive and direct approach during the hearing was memorable, with him telling committee members, “You’re either gonna have to believe me or call me a liar,” when one found his answer difficult to believe.
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Ordinary people (and no doubt even the politicians who propose and pass these laws) are not supposed to be able to understand them.
That’s the whole point.
If laws can’t be understood, they can be easily broken, thus everyone is at some time unknowingly breaking the law, and can be deemed a “criminal”.
Once deemed a criminal, limitations and restrictions and financial punishments can be imposed. Control is the result.
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“Laws must be written so that ordinary people can understand them easily.”
That horse bolted hundreds of years ago, certainly hasn’t been seen since the 1800s! Easily illustrated by the number of lawyers in society, while a moral set of laws would require no lawyers at all.
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Our shadowy overlords don’t need to force the issue. People already confine themselves to ‘twenty minute neighbourhoods when they purchase a house.
Every land rat (real estate agent) will tell you about ‘location, location, location’.
Almost everybody wants to be within twenty minutes of public transport, schools, medical centres, shops, restaurants, sporting facilities, etc., etc.
I say almost everybody because some of us are happy to be far away from most of these ‘conveniences’.
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The logical extension of this ‘vehicular theft’ is to force people to trade or buy a new ‘clean’ car likely built in a polluting factory somewhere in a highly polluted and polluting country called Chyna, what happens to the tens of millions of older cars left behind by all this BS, some will end up being sold on, or handed down to little Billy or Penny , some will end up on the tip, so at the end of the day, how is any of this helping the planet.
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I’m sorry I missed your comment Tdef this morning I would have deleted it and asked if you could repost it in the proper thread which is still the top topic post.
When people come looking for wisdom on the NVES today, or in a week, or a month or six months, they won’t see your erudite, researched comment nor all these interesting replies on the Unthreaded.
If the Liberal Party was looking at the response to my post, this is all wasted. They will miss this entirely. Indeed, they will note that there 100+ comments on general forums but on 30+ on the NVES thread, and they’ll think “no one cares about the emissions tax much”.
If you want to inform policy in Australia put comments on the right thread.
People, please don’t reply to TdeF here, please take this to the right thread.
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Jo, there may have been some confusion because the NVES thread was yesterday so people may not have realised it was still current.
Perhaps TdeF can copy his comment there and we can all copy our replies under it so they are all archived in the right place.
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I did post at an unusual time of day. It seems like a big ask for people to recreate the conversation. Perhaps there is new “Move comments” widget…
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I have copied today’s comments to yesterday’s post. And added a plea to stop ALL the CO2 cash grabs with certificates, carbon credits and all the fantastic ways to steal from everyone. This fake CO2 science was never proven, has been disproven and now is without justification wrecking Australia. I cannot imagine the devastation a 35% tax on CO2 will do to Australia as it ramps up. This isn’t taxation. It’s suicide. Cui Bono?
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And I have no idea why anyone would red thumb, but I rarely do understand the motivation for red thumbs.
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After the first image of a black hole was published about five years ago I made a comment:
The scientific ignorance of most journalists is remarkable. In regard to the first image of a black hole one stated that it was “surrounded by a ring of fire”. They forgot to state who adds all the logs to that fire….
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Make this word great again!
enow
Etymology 1
From Middle English, from inow (“alongside”), ynough (“enough”), from Old English ġenōg (cognate with Dutch genoeg, German genug, both ‘enough’)
Adjective
enow (not comparable)
(archaic) enough
Adverb
enow (not comparable)
(archaic) enough
Etymology 2
Contraction of even now.
Adverb
enow (not comparable)
(archaic) just now
(archaic, Scotland) soon
Usage examples from Goolag AI but I couldn’t find the original reference, they weren’t at the link it provided:
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AND WHAT PRAY TELL IS WRONG WITH “ENOUGH”?
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Nothing is wrong with enough but David’s comment is interesting. Enow of this.
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Too many letters to start with. Enuf is also a contender IMHO
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As in Adrian Molesworth, nuff sed.
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There’s nowt wrong wi’ owt what mitherin’ clutterbucks don’t barley grummit!
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A bit like Dick Van Dyke’s cockney in Mary Poppins.
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Enough. This is enough of this…………….
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFvzPWiTCS4
The story of Ocracoke Island, North Carolina is rich in tales of pirates, Native American fishing and English sailors, but one of its greatest legacies is a very unique dialect.
Due to the island being isolated for centuries, their “Hoi Toider” brogue sounds more like it’s from South West England than the United States.
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A New Food Pyramid For A Metabolically Unwell Nation
Their model—built on protein, full-fat dairy, and healthy fats—challenges decades of federal guidance and reignites a long-simmering debate about dietary fat’s role in chronic disease.
Rethinking the Pyramid
The original food pyramid, introduced by the U.S. Department of Agriculture in 1992, stacked grains at the base, fruits and vegetables in the middle, and fats and oils at the top.
https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/new-food-pyramid-metabolically-unwell-nation
100%
I said this 20 years ago – invert the pyramid!
And just like that, sickness, disease and childhood issues like ADHD disappeared…
/and Big pharma was not happy, hospital queues disappeared, doctors went broke.
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Fauci Hit with Criminal Referrals in 7 States Over ‘Vaccine’ Deaths
The groups are urging state prosecutors to open criminal investigations into Fauci and other prominent public health and government officials.
Fauci, the former director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), is accused of committing multiple crimes during and after the pandemic.
The crimes include murder, involuntary manslaughter, negligent homicide, terrorism, and more.
https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/fauci-hit-with-criminal-referrals
…and just like that, Oz doctors decide Fakevax ™ is bad…
/and the beagles rejoiced
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An old Vietnamese friend thinks that Xi knows that his current army is not battle-hardened and will not want to repeat bitter Vietnam war experience at Taiwan.
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Xi knows that seizing Taiwan militarily is not a good move, because the CCP would surely lose against the Alliance. So they’ll keep on doing their provative exercises into the foreseeable future with no intent of invading.
Premier Xi wants to take the island without a shot being fired.
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I hope sanity prevails and Taiwan is preserved. Sadly after a massive head start on the West , China does have quite a history of shooting itself in the foot on a regular basis. I hope Taiwan is not the next chapter.
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“because the CCP would surely lose against the Alliance”
What Alliance is that?? The NATO members who started a war with Russia and are losing it? China is a big country to try and bomb, while Taiwan is a small island for a gigantic land army to invade.
I suppose the answer is for Xi to claim they want Taiwan for their peace and security, just like America wants Greenland, but doesn’t want to fight for it.
Either way, I’m quite sure China and North Korea will battle-harden troops in Ukraine, that will be the face of land wars for the next generation.
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The UN has long recognised Taiwan as part of China, so there is no rush to start a hot war now that a cold war is back.
Beijing is not going to send troops to fight in Ukraine, those captured are only mercenaries.
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The conversation went like this :
– You, Aussies (meaning – me!) are too frighten of China, who since 1952 only had a real war once.
– What about the fights with India and USSR ?
– I said: war; how many square metres of enemy territory they took there?
– Gotcha ! They conquered large country Tibet.
– That was as much war as your expedition “to liberate” three Baltic countries, you told me your father participated in.
In 1979 huge Chinese army drove, maybe few dozen miles into Vietnam but our border guards with help of old veterans killed more than 50 000 in few weeks, so the rest run away.
– Border guards ? Vietnam had the Army which defeated America. A million soldiers must have been involved. Honestly, I never read about the war that big in 1979.
– Well, both governments prefer not to talk about it, that was very bad story in respect of civilians. The Army did not protect them, I am not sure where they were.
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Fascinating Vlad, I can’t remember anything about it, maybe just the fact that it happened from newspapers back then. It certainly wasn’t featured in Western news.
So China considers Vietnam part of its territory from ancient times, and Vietnam considers parts of Cambodia as its own also from past times.
https://veteransbreakfastclub.org/china-invaded-vietnam-in-1979/
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The Communists actually didn’t defeat the US Army in Vietnam. There was a ceased fire negoitated in 1973. The US Army withdrew. Senator Biden passed laws not to resupply parts for the South planes and tanks. Unable to drive their tanks and fly their aircraft the North broke the cease fire and invaded.
As far as Australia was concerned they controlled their province, Phuoc Tuy. Australia was never beaten in battle in Vietnam.
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I’ve been thinking that it is one thing to invent the internet, it is another thing to be the people that to understand the internet was invented for….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1US6sxgKrc
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Hungary Sounds Alarm on ‘Biological Attack’ as Deadly Virus Locks Down Europe’s Borders
Hungary is under siege by a foot-and-mouth disease outbreak—the first in over 50 years—forcing the slaughter of thousands of livestock and igniting fears that this could be no accident, but a deliberate “biological attack.“
A Hungarian spokesperson said the disease, which was first detected on a cattle farm near the northwest border, may have been “artificially engineered”.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/terrifying-virus-shuts-europe-borders-35037628
That’ll teach Hungary to cross the EU!
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If only they had an open borders policy and allowed terrorists to enter, the EU would have been pleased…
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Hmm.
The disease may have been ” artificially engineered”.
Does that mean the “outbreak” , the virus, or the “siege”?
Asking for Nana; she’s right into this AI “thing”.
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Are you there Greg in NZ and Farmer Braun, just heard that your former Prime Minister has risen to the dizzying heights of writing children’s books. Allegedly inspired by the wee lassie commenting about mums work. Wow, running a country ( into the ground ) but still have time to jot down her toddlers comments for use in a career after politics.
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I wonder what sort of publisher would want this in their stable.
Or who is paying for it.
Not sure who will buy this , if anyone.
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“Not sure who will buy this , if anyone.”
Every Govt-controlled local library & all State schools, just another book on the shelves that no-one ever reads.
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What happened to her desire to become a global censor of “online extremism” (Leftist speak for conservatives)?
With her children’s books, I wonder what gender ideology and other extreme Left views she is pushing?
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Royal NZ Navy Court of Inquiry report sinking of HMNZS Manawanui
Thanks to our remarkably well-read reader KB who tells us:
This must be the only 120 page final report in recent NZ history that doesn’t contain the words Diversity, Equity or Inclusion (DEI).
65. The following personnel were not on watch, but were either already on the bridge in
the lead up to the grounding, or were called to the bridge immediately prior to the
grounding:
a. CO (Witness 1) – assumed command of the Ship in December 2022 and had conducted surveys with the Ship prior to the grounding.46 Before the grounding she was in her cabin, reviewing night orders with Witness 3
44 before being piped to the bridge.47 Witness 1 was not platform endorsed for
the Ship.
48 \The Court notes that she should have held a command platform
endorsement, the requirements for which are set out at paragraph 3.04i of
MM33.45 – New Zealand Manual of Navigation.49
66. In response to the pipe for the CO to go to the bridge, or subsequent pipes, the
following additional personnel closed up in key positions and were involved in the
immediate response to the incident:
b. DCO (Witness 8) – the DCO gave evidence that they were responsible for
listening to the CO’s priority and then assessing the state of the damage
control on the Ship.
The DCO was not IMDC or OOD qualified, and had not
received any assessment or endorsement to be DCO on the Ship.67 The
Court’s assessment is that despite this, the DCO performed the role in an
exemplary manner
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Platform endorsed or not, surely basic seamanship, or even (un)common sense would or should suggest that you don’t use an autopilot when transiting over a reef… And they never bothered to check whether the autopilot was disengaged or not.
I wonder if the responsible commander has received a promotion yet?
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As Daffy Duck would say…pronoun trouble…
https://youtu.be/EQGQUIW4Sdw
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https://trusttheevidence.substack.com/p/tales-from-the-front-line-blood-pressure
Blood pressure checks could increase the workload for GP practices. A bigger problem is that they may perpetuate the inverse care law: individuals with the greatest need for healthcare often receive the least access and quality of care. Consequently, the service ends up full of the worried well.
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FWIW
“The Climate Crisis Con Game”
“The climate crisis isn’t just a narrative—it’s the Left’s longest-running confidence game, leveraging fear for our children to loot wallets, liberties, and the public trust.”
https://amgreatness.com/2025/04/12/the-climate-crisis-con-game/
Via SDA
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\https://maartenfornerod.substack.com/p/anastasia-trofimova-there-is-a-lot
She embedded clandistinely within a Russian front line brigade, by just taking the bus.
“There are buses going about three times a day from Moskow to Donetsk and other cities. They cost about €30. Just jump on the bus and 15 hours later you’re in the war.
“The worst thing that could happen in my life, already happened, and this is this war”.
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FWIW – some newspaper history
“The Masquerade is Over by Charlie Martin”
Concludes
“To those of us of a conservative bent — although I maintain I’m not a conservative, just an 18th century liberal — this wasn’t a surprise, going back to the coverage of the Tet Offensive in Vietnam. The difference was that Trump, with his combination of in-your-face advocacy and refusal to follow the Acela Corridor line, finally forced the legacy media to remove its masks. It is, and has always been, advocacy media and not objective at all.”
https://accordingtohoyt.com/2025/04/11/the-masquerade-is-over-by-charlie-martin/
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‘Exercise Polaris’: The WHO Just Conducted A 2-Day Pandemic Simulation
Dubbed ‘Exercise Polaris, this latest drill involved over 15 countries and 20 health agencies.
According to the health agency, the exercise involved more than 350 health emergency groups, simulating an outbreak of a fictional virus spreading across the globe.
After failing to get their bird flu pandemic in 2024 and 2025, it looks like they may be trying to come up with new ways to submit populations to their plans…. which will no doubt include vaccinations.
https://www.who.int/news/item/04-04-2025-who-brings-countries-together-to-test-collective-pandemic-response
Crystal ball time…
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Sen. Johnson Demands Covid Vaccine Makers Hand Over All Documents, Communications, as Evidence Against Their Products Reaches a Climax
Sen. Ron Johnson orders Pfizer, Moderna, and others to hand over documents on vaccine development and communications with Big Tech by April 16.
Johnson warned companies not to follow the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) playbook of hiding data. “Any attempt to obstruct or delay will result in compulsory process,” he declared, citing HHS’ 2023 refusal to unredact vaccine safety documents.
The timing couldn’t be more urgent. Last year, VAERS data showed mRNA vaccines caused 45 times more deaths than all flu vaccines combined since 1990. Yet Pfizer’s next booster — approved without new clinical trials — is already months overdue for FDA review.
https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/sen-johnson-demands-covid-vaccine
The damage is done, the tidal wave is building.
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FWIW
“Brave Little Palau”
https://cdrsalamander.substack.com/p/brave-little-palau
Via Instapundit
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FWIW – more covid
“FDA’s Former “Top Vaccine Scientist” Forced Out after Denying HHS Secretary Unrestricted Access to Vaccine Injury Database”
Been mentioned before but not that “brave move”
https://legalinsurrection.com/2025/04/fdas-former-top-vaccine-scientist-forced-out-after-denying-hhs-secretary-unrestricted-access-to-vaccine-injury-database/
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FWIW – Chiefio on tariffs etc
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2025/04/10/trump-tariffs-china-alex-c-is-wrong/#comment-176360
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https://www.worldwater.org/conflict/map/
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Read the full story here:
https://rmx.news/poland/poles-are-stocking-up-on-cash/
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I find government advising citizens to have cash on hand is a bit bizarre.
Criminals will now know that those who appear likely to comply with Government guidelines will be holding cash in their house.
People can figure out the direction of travel for themselves here I would think …. and those who can’t are likely to lose their cash pretty quickly when the proverbial hits the fan – ie. if you can’t work this all out for yourself, then you are not likely to be able to tell friend or foe later on, are you?
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Where’s Wally Bowen? He’s MIA
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Due to the high SOI index, rainfall should be expected in northern and eastern Australia.
SOI values for 12 Apr, 2025
Average SOI for last 30 days 10.65
Average SOI for last 90 days 8.13
Daily contribution to SOI calculation 17.30
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https://cleantechnica.com/2025/04/04/pakistans-22-gw-solar-shock-how-a-fragile-state-went-full-clean-energy/
From the comments: That is one side of the story. The other side is that with most of the wealthy and middle class populace switching to solar energy the per unit price for the lower classes has sky rocketed. As while this was all happening the government was busy adding thousands of MWs through IPPs with Chinese and local firms and they have all been provided with sovereign guarantees for the payments on the capacity of their plants. So even if government does not buy any electricity from them, they get paid and that payment is taken from the lower classes who don’t have the funds to switch to solar energy. The per unit price of electricity in Pakistan is highest in the region.
– I recall someone talking about this here recently. At 95% of population having access to electricity in 2022, will rollout of feed in solar on the grid be a barrier to the ‘last mile’ investment for electrification roll out to the remaining 5% of the population?
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