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    They are teaching speculation not science.

    We only teach kids half the scientific method
    By David Wojick
    https://www.cfact.org/2024/08/19/we-only-teach-kids-half-the-scientific-method/

    The beginning: “The vigilant folks at the CO2 Coalition have been saying we are no longer teaching the scientific method in public school science education classes. This puzzled me because the new rules for science education claim to teach kids to think like scientists. I figured the kids would be awash with scientific method.

    I was wrong. With the help of some Coalition experts I investigated this strange situation and here are my basic findings. In a nutshell, which is explained more fully below, only the happy half of the scientific method is being taught. This is the fun formulation of possible hypotheses and models that might explain what we observe. The hard half where these tentative explanations get evaluated and likely fail is not taught.”

    Lots more in the article. Please share it.

    The details are worth reading. I even propose a simple fix.

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      CO2 Lover

      In Australia, children are being taught that our Third Nation People’s where our first scientists.

      The fact that these “scientists” could not even invent the wheel has been glossed over.

      If our Third Nation People’s scientists had been able to invent the wheel and some form of rickshaw developed, then women would not have undertaken the role of pack animals when moving camp as hunter gathers and infanticide may not have become a common practice when these women could only carry one child under the age of two when moving camp.

      https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2021/12/infanticide-in-traditional-aboriginal-society/

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        Geoff Sherrington

        CO2 Lover,
        Australia desperately needs two book-type registers. One, the thin one, contains those parts of culture, language, custom etc that have been researched and found to be genuine, say to the standards of acceptance as evidence in a law court. The thick register is for the speculative content where people from the most ordinary of citizens to the most esteemed of academics have, in essence, simply “made stuff up”.
        Only material from the thin book should be used when acts and regulations are being imposed. Thus, for example, we the people cannot be required to muck around with recent inventions like “welcome to my country” or a flag designed and adopted in living memory. Geoff S

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          Dennis

          I heard a comment recently that the Aboriginal Flag was saved by government buying the design rights.

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            CO2 Lover

            The flag was designed by Mr Harold Thomas, an “Aboriginal” artist from the Northern Territory.

            Why didn’t Mr Namatjira get the gig?

            Albert Namatjira was an Arrernte painter from the MacDonnell Ranges in Central Australia, widely considered one of the most notable Australian artists.

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            Strop

            The flag was primarily a protest flag for 20+ years and then the Government gave it official flag status in 1995. The flag’s designer was critical of this saying the flag had been taken over by white folk. The designer then sought official copyright and licensed a single manufacture the right to make the flag. This led to various legal matters about who could and couldn’t use the flag or images of it. In 2022 the Government acquired the rights so it could be more freely and widely used.

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        R.B.

        Strange how you are only meant to listen to scientists, yet the bar can be set so low, depending on your politics.

        I guess “don’t eat that. It killed Groot” can be considered science.

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      Yes David,

      It’s not called the ‘critical’ method for nothing.

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      Broadie

      Thank you MeAgain,

      Mr Hunt at the source of our disasters again, just like when he was the environment Minister.

      So if you see an inverted black triangle on the data sheet of a medicine in Australia you are being asked to take a chemical that is more of the ‘Right to Try’ variety usually prescribed as a last resort for a terminal or debilitating condition.

      The only problem is with vaccines like the RSV vaccine you are unlikely to see the packaging or data sheet, as from my understanding from the scavenger guy at the local tip, is that many of the vaccines are vials removed from packaging at the distributors warehouse.

      It’s vital people understand what it means when medications are on the black triangle scheme and what provisional registration really means because many new medications are being rushed to the market without full registration.

      Provisional registration was sold by then-health minister Greg Hunt and industry lobby group Medicines Australia in 2017 as a legal change that would allow terminally ill people to access experimental medications.

      The Therapeutic Goods Amendment (2017 Measures No. 1) Bill was passed, changing the law as of 2018. The Second Reading speeches in Hansard state that Provisional Approval would:

      “…allow Australian patients with inadequate treatment options to access potentially life-saving or life-transforming medicines up to two years earlier than under the current framework.”

      It wasn’t supposed to be for prophylactic vaccinations given to the entire population of healthy people against a routine illness. But that is what it is now being used for – a regulatory shortcut, with devastating results.

      People need to be aware of it because it’s not just the covid gene-vaccines that are being given provisional registration. It applies to many new products like the RSV vaccine.

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    tonyb

    Since the French left banded together and took the majority of the vote in the recent French elections, things have gone quiet as the Olympics took centre stage

    However the French left are now back and demanding one of their number becomes PM

    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2024/08/18/french-far-left-threatens-to-impeach-macron-if-socialist-not-installed-as-prime-minister/

    Legally, they probably have a case and there will likely trouble if one of their number are not installed, freezing out Marie Le Pen in this electoral cycle.

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    tonyb

    Further evidence that the covid shots seem to have been responsible for heart problems in children

    https://slaynews.com/news/major-study-covid-shots-sole-cause-child-heart-failure-surge/

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    tonyb

    in Spain the costa blanca is the latest area to demand a reduction in tourism.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13757681/spain-costa-blanca-anti-tourism-british-alicante-barcelona.html

    I don’t know if there are similar hot spots in Oz, either from domestic tourists or those coming from overseas?

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      CO2 Lover

      Japan, has beaten Bali as the number one Asian destination for Australian holidaymakers heading overseas.

      What Australian in there right mind would visit the UK or France these days. Spain would not be front of mind for most Australians either.

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        Forrest Gardener

        My son lives close to the centre of London by choice. He is a smart guy. He also goes on regular ski trips to France.

        His explanation is that he knows the places to avoid so he knows how to stay clear of the trouble. He acknowledges the risk of the trouble coming to him but as Ned Kelly was reported as saying, such is life.

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        John Connor II

        …and Japan has a long standing major disdain of a certain eastern cult that hates its women and gays, so it’s safe to visit.
        They also have nice street gutter aquariums.
        And chefs that understand food.
        And…

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        Yarpos

        We have friends who think going to Egypt right now is a good idea. People have all kinds of perceptions about risk and what is going on in th world around them.

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      Steve of Cornubia

      To be fair – and I say this as a Brit – I can’t blame the residents of certain Mediterranean holiday destinations patronised by the British. Going back as far as the mid 80s, when we holidayed in the Europe, we assiduously avoided some places popular with a certain type of our compatriots BECAUSE they were so popular with that certain type. For some reason, many Brits completely lose their inhibitions on holiday and spend the whole time drunk and rowdy. I often wondered why they bothered going to some lovely places yet barely set foot outside the resort, getting out of bed at midday (hungover) then spending the day just getting sunburnt by the pool before heading into the bars and clubs again in the evening. Ideally, the ‘Spanish’ bar would sell English beer, have huge screens showing the English football and serve fish and chips. Rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat, go home. They only believed they’d had a good ‘holiday’ if they needed a skin graft (third degree sun burn) and had been so drunk all the time that they couldn’t remember most of the holiday.

      Whereas the numbers of such morons were moderate years ago, more recently overseas travel has become much cheaper and so the numbers of loutish tourists (not just from the UK I might add) has gone up exponentially. Consequently, I’m not in the least surprised that there is this backlash.

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        Forrest Gardener

        Quite so.

        It is ironic that the features which attract the type of tourists the locals don’t want also repel the type of tourists the locals do want.

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        Dennis

        In the late 1980s I travelled from London to Paris on the boat train service and crossing the channel on the ferry there were football fans almost running riot on board, they were causing a lot of problems for the passengers and crew. Upon arrival at the Port of Dieppe, France, there was a long line of black police vans and many police officers who arrested a lot a the troublemakers.

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    CO2 Lover

    National Public Data Admits Hackers Allegedly Stole Social Security Numbers in Massive Breach of Nearly ALL Americans

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/08/national-public-data-admits-hackers-allegedly-stole-social/

    Meanwhile in Australia, the Digital ID Bill 2024 and Digital ID (Transitional and Consequential Provisions) Bill 2024 passed in the Senate in March and has now passed the House of Representatives.

    May we live in interesting times.

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      ozfred

      May we live in interesting times.
      The MSM will ensure that happens, even if the actual historical events are boring

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    CO2 Lover

    Crime Scene Compromised. Alleged Assassin’s Autopsy Missing. What’s Going On?

    The fact is that mainstream media is late to the party and the Butler County Coroner’s office released the cause and manner of death of Thomas Matthew Crooks to AbleChild nearly two weeks earlier on July 21st.

    Unfortunately, what the mainstream media doesn’t understand is that the cause and manner of death is not an autopsy and, although an autopsy has already been conducted on the alleged body of Thomas Matthew Crooks, the results of that autopsy may never see the light of day.

    https://www.ablechild.org/2024/08/05/crime-scene-compromised-alleged-assassins-autopsy-missing-whats-going-on/

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    Cooperation in reactor research

    The Danish developer of molten salt reactors Copenhagen Atomics and the Paul Scherrer Institute PSI have entered into a collaboration agreement on a thorium molten salt critical experiment. The purpose of this experiment is to validate the technology and provide valuable experience for the collaboration partners in the design, construction, licensing, operation, and decommissioning of the new molten salt reactor technology as well as to collect data for commercial deployment, and with open source data for validation of reactor modelling tools.

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    CO2 Lover

    Twiggy Forrest’s Hydrogen Dreams are Over

    Australians could be forced to pay more tax due to a slump in iron ore prices | 7NEWS

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSJQZD-orhM

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    CO2 Lover

    Russia offers safe haven for people trying to escape Western liberal woke ideals

    Visas available from September

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frQkwpkSgUc

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    OldOzzie

    Spooner’s The Australian Cartoon sums up the Gazan Refugee Problem Perfectly

    As always scroll down on https://www.theaustralian.com.au/ to see in full size

    Fast lane out of Gaza led down under

    International data reveals Australia’s nearly 3000 approved visas for Gazans since Hamas’s October 7 terrorist attack on Israel far exceed the numbers accepted by the nation’s Five Eyes allies and like-minded countries.

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    Kim

    chatgpt.com is running and doesn’t need a logon. Have been trying various questions. It has creepy use of language but am ignoring that.

    Tried the ‘on earth what is the one factor that has the largest effect on atmospheric temperature?’ question – it didn’t understand the fine focus of the question and it had to take a second question to get it to understand clouds. Even then it didn’t understand the ramifications of the question.

    Tried “why is AI called Artificial Ignorance?” to which it went all elitist in defence. I had to turn it around to state that the criticism might be correct and that it should think about that.

    Tried a classic “what is a ‘boomer gelder'”. It assumed that a boomer is a baby boomer. I then said “a boomer is an adult male kangaroo – rerun the question”. To which it thought that castrating a boomer is as easy as castrating a ram, or maybe a bull or a horse. To which I said “and how is that done in practice?”. It still didn’t get the practicalities. Reminds me of that old Mrs Beeton’s recipe – ‘first catch your…’ roo.

    AI online is fun to play around with but I can’t see it being any more serious than that. Certainly not a money maker in the big sense. It’s very limited. A short term fad.

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      RickWill

      but I can’t see it being any more serious than that.

      That statement overestimates the ability of journalists to string thoughts and words together.

      Journalists are regurgitators. They do not have original thoughts. In fact, many are not permitted to think because they might wrong think.

      AI is already making inroads into journalism. For example:

      Australia’s energy transition is a critical shift from fossil fuels to renewable energy, driven by climate goals and economic opportunities. The country has abundant solar and wind resources, positioning it as a potential renewable energy powerhouse. Government policies and investments are increasingly focusing on green technologies, including hydrogen and battery storage. The transition aims to reduce carbon emissions and mitigate climate change impacts while ensuring energy security. However, challenges include managing the decline of coal industries, grid reliability, and the social impacts on communities. Successful transition will require collaboration across government, industry, and society.

      How many journalists could come up with those nominally 10 lines in 3 seconds?

      Or from AIs perspective:

      AI has the potential to significantly impact journalism, but it’s unlikely to completely displace journalists. AI can automate routine tasks like data analysis, fact-checking, and generating simple news reports, freeing up journalists to focus on more complex, investigative work. It can also assist in content creation, personalization, and audience engagement. However, journalism involves nuanced storytelling, ethical decision-making, and human empathy—areas where AI currently falls short. Rather than replacing journalists, AI is more likely to augment their work, allowing them to produce higher-quality content and reach wider audiences. The future of journalism will likely see a collaboration between AI tools and human journalists, with AI handling repetitive tasks and humans providing creativity, critical thinking, and ethical judgment.

      How many journalists actually undertake “complex, investigative work”?

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      RickWill

      I gave Chat GPT the task of telling me how much many wind turbines and battery size woyuld be needed to provide a 10MW load with a 2 week wind drought. It can up with 29 by 2MW turbines and a 3360MWh battery.

      I then asked how much coal would be needed to make the turbines, foundations and battery. Irt arrives at 279kt.

      The answer is reasonable because it works out at 191 years, which agrees with my estimates based on the costs of the stuff.

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      Coochin Kid

      Makes a good dictionary when reading tec things on web, that’s about all.

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    Graeme No.3

    From The Australian today
    Australia is one of the most generous nations in the developed world in accepting Palestinians from Gaza, new figures suggest, fuelling criticism of the Albanese government’s use of tourist visas for those fleeing the war zone. The government has approved 2922 visas for holders of Palestinian travel documents since the start of the war, including more than 2560 tourist visas, while rejecting more than 7100 applications. Mr Burke refused to say in question time whether any visas for Gazans had been cancelled but official figures show 43 have been revoked and 20 of those restored on appeal. Hundreds of those already in the country have now lodged asylum claims, enabling them to remain in Australia until their applications are approved or rejected. As of July 31, the US had accepted 17 Palestinian refugees since the October 7 attack. It has no special entry arrangements for Palestinians. The UK has issued 168 protection visas to Palestinians since October 7 but it’s unclear how many have entered the country on other visa classes since October last year. New Zealand has accepted 153 Palestinians for temporary and residence visas and is prioritising applications for those with family in New Zealand. Canada’s Immigration Minister Marc Miller said in June that just 254 Palestinians had received temporary visas and 41 had received family program visas, while almost 3000 applications were still being processed. France, which had accepted 260 Gazans by April this year, requires applicants to submit visa applications and undergo biometric tests in Israel, making it technically impossible for them to apply. Greece has faced a surge in Palestinian asylum applications, including 6713 last year and 1106 to April this year. It’s unclear how many the country has approved. Belgium is a rare outlier, approving 2506 Palestinian refugees since January and 3249 last year, while Greece and Turkey are also dealing with large numbers of Palestinian asylum seekers.

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    YYY Guy

    Regarding these 2 criminals
    The journo questioner was Simon Grose from Canberra IQ
    who asked the only hard question about their proposed election hacking, which was “This session has been a bit surreal so far. And disappointing”. (One of the 2 says “love”). (There’s been a lot of talky talky, feel goody stuff but you haven’t actually explained anything so I’m going to give you an opportunity to drill down. I had a look on your website and found Quadratic Voting. It aims to mitigate the tyranny of the majority. 2 questions – what’s the problem with the tyranny of the majority? and how would this Quadratic VOting system integrate with first past the post, preferential and proportional voting systems?”
    Answer – to create ways of voting that allow a more consensual choice and allow more participtation…”???
    Simon interrupts – “In the very recent UK election Labor was elected with a very strong majority of about 33%….” I’d argue 20% because there was so low a turnout and remember Albo got 32%).
    The reply was more babble. Amazing. Only 1 journo, Simon, asked a hard question. The chance of any of them understanding the answer would be zero.
    Take this for example
    Your taxes being given to some obscure institution based on what rich people give money to. Malcolm Turnbull to the GBR Foundation ($440m), arts funding, public private partnerships and so on. It’s already here and has been for decades.
    His/her/it’ Wiki is seriously weird and wouldn’t this little act take you to a site that wasn’t where you wanted to go? –

    Tang’s first initiative, the g0v project, involved swapping out the “o” for a zero in the government’s “gov.tw” top-level domain to view more accessible and interactive versions of those governmental websites

    and who knows what was altered to appeal to the public?

    Another initiative, vTaiwan, uses social media paradigms for citizens to create digital petitions. Those with 5,000 signatures are brought to the premier and government ministries to be addressed.

    How easy to create 5000 bot signatures and elevate certain matters in importance. Google would never do such a thing.
    Basically they’re telling us what they’ve already done.

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    Upthread here, at Comment 8 and 8.1 Krishna Gans mentions a new type of Nuclear power plant, a molten salt reactor.

    It made me think about something I wondered about back when I started ‘all this’.

    One of the early ‘saviours’ (tongue in cheek here) for the replacement of Base Load coal fired power generation was going to be Solar Thermal power, or, more correctly, Concentrating Solar power. (CSP)

    It used the concentration of the Sun via mirrors to a central point so the heat could be used to make salt compounds ‘boil’ to a molten state, and the immense heat from that to ‘make’ steam to drive the turbine to then drive the generator.

    Well, it was a flop, despite all the hype and the modelling.

    The best they could manage was 150MW for a few hours a day, and one tiddler actually delivered a constant 28MW for 36 consecutive days at the height of Summer.

    It’s an immensely difficult process, and complex to explain, so rather than do that here, here’s the link to a graph showing what I mean, and again, keep in mind here that this is modelling, and I’ll include the text of one of my early Posts, back in 2013, and the first Post I made on this CSP was back in 2009.

    I saw the graph,and wondered if perhaps if there might be a way to keep the salt in a molten state all the time, then maybe that might work better. The problem using solar process for this was that the salt always cooled down, and then had to be brought back to a molten state the next day.

    Hence, the major problem was that it could only be used for tiny generators. The theory was that the molten salt would stay ‘hot enough’ to still be able to ‘make’ that steam after the Sun set.

    Hence, the Capacity Factor of this so called saviour was only 25 to 30%, barely on a par with wind power.

    (So, blah blah blah Tony) The text explains it more in depth, so here’s the link to that Post.

    Solar Thermal Power (Concentrating Solar) Fail – Just Look At Spain

    It seems the thought may now become a reality, for large (well, larger) scale power generation.

    Hey, and all of this could be ‘moot’ if they just went ahead and built proven already UltraSuperCritical coal fired plants.

    Tony.

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      KP

      One of the holiday we took in Aussie last/early this century was a trip to Broken Hill, and from there out to White Cliffs. We admired the solar collecting dishes, as you say, rotating to face the sun all the time, it was run by ANU at that time.

      It started as a direct steam generating system, but by the time we went there it was concentrating solar radiation onto small solar cells. Seeing nothing ever came of that research I assume they figured it wasn’t viable back then. Nothing has changed, its still not viable.

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      Chad

      As i am sure you are aware Tony, California also built one of these CSP plants , Cresent Dunes, at Tonopah , rated at 110MW
      Its had a bit of a torrid history with leaking molten salt tanks, and went bankrupt.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crescent_Dunes_Solar_Energy_Project

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    another ian

    FWIW

    ““We head to Chicago on a wave of euphoria, exuberance, exultation, excitement and even, you might say, ecstasy.” — Maureen Dowd, The New York Times ”

    Kunstler’s take on that

    “Let the DNC Frolics Begin”

    https://kunstler.com/clusterf*-nation/let-the-dnc-frolics-begin/

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    another ian

    FWIW

    Re yesterday’s post about

    “Ivermectin Is One Of The Most Violent Fertility Toxins I’ve Ever Come Across”

    A comment on another blog points out that Africa has a very high rate of usage of ivermectin and also a very high human fertility rate

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      David of Cooyal in Oz

      Thanks a i,
      I also smell the odd rat in Yeadon’s presentation.

      He ignores the fact that HCQ was being promoted by those American (and other ) doctors before ivermectin came up, and both had been in use for decades without his fertility scare being noticed;
      His swag of documents, mentioned but not identified and with no link to even one of them made me think,.propaganda” rather than “science”;
      He also makes it sound as if IVM was widely advertised generally, rather than being vigorously censored;
      And even his introductory reference was to “somebody”, beautifully anonymous if you want to cover your (dubious?) sources.

      So I question his bono fides.

      His talk (5 mins):
      https://rumble.com/v5bfmgd-dr-mike-yeadon-ivermectin-anti-fertility-bombshell-one-of-the-most-violent-.html

      And my thanks to John Connor II for it at #33 yesterday :
      https://joannenova.com.au/2024/08/monday-67/#comment-2793104

      Cheers,
      Dave B

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        John Connor II

        My colleague Ivor Mektin says Yeadon *may* be scare mongering. Or maybe not.
        Some minor disturbances in fertility rates have been recorded but nothing of real concern and no 3-letter agencies coverup evident.
        All the conventional search queries produce the same predictable verbatim results. No surprises there. Vaxxes are safe and effective say us all.😎

        But, as is my way, search outside the “approved results box” and it’s amazing what you find.
        This will take a while to go through…

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      Ross

      Yeadon is over- rated. I listened to the podcast with James Delingpole when he made the ridiculous claims about ivermectin adverse fertility claims. The study that started the topic surfaced in 2021 and was flawed. Particularly if you know about River Blindness and its effects (reduction in fertility) and the fact that the study number was very small. Basically crap science. There there were some mice studies, but hardly real science. Then think about the use of IVM (and close members of the mectin group) on huge numbers of humans but also horses, cattle, sheep goats etc. You’re talking about billions of doses, but never any reports of fertility problems from those uses. MY also has some weird ideas about viruses etc.

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        Peter C

        I took ivermectin for Covid, but only while I had symptoms, which was a very short period. First 2 episodes lasted a matter of hours only and 2 days the third time.
        I am not concerned about the side effect.

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          MeAgain

          Going to the medicine cabinet is like going to the Pawn Brokers – you get something out, but you leave something behind. You can’t keep going to the Pawn Brokers every day….

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          ozfred

          The anti-cancer properties of ivermectin being reported by Chinese researchers, may in the end, be far more useful to people reading “fringe” news than its anti-covid qualities.
          However, we are unlikely to ever see a double blind trial conducted in the wester world. Although in this case, anecdotal results would be more than useful to the patients

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    OldOzzie

    Controversial EV number plate spotted in the Northern Territory

    An interesting number plate spotted on an EV in the Northern Territory has received a mixed response online.

    A tongue-in-cheek number plate on an electric car in the Northern Territory has caused a stir online, reigniting debate over the likelihood of electric car fires.

    In a post on the Reddit thread r/CarsAustralia, a Hyundai Ioniq 5, one of Australia’s most popular EVs, can be seen sporting the number plate ‘FYRHZRD’ with the caption “Thank you for admitting it”.

    The plate, a shortened version of ‘fire hazard’, sparked a variety of comments from both electric vehicle and internal combustion engine (ICE) vehicle fans.

    “Certainly going to be leaving some space around it,” said one user.

    “Unlike those fireproof petrol cars,” countered another.

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      Kim

      Named: Mr Smirnoff.

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      OldOzzie

      Ah it was Aug 19, 2024 · BabylonBee.com

      Rumors Swirl That Kamala Harris Is Being Influenced By Russian Agent

      U.S. — According to sources, Vice President Kamala Harris may be under the influence of a Russian agent.

      “Just look at her,” said Congressional Representative Thomas Massie. “I mean, come on.”

      Rumors of foreign influence on political candidates are nothing new in American politics, but experts say this is the first time it has been so obvious.

      “The slow and deliberate movement, fluctuating pace of speech, changing volume of her voice, irrational statements, inappropriate laughter — these are all hallmarks of Russian influence,” noted Brent Tolliver, a former D.A.R.E. officer turned political analyst.
      [SNIP]

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      OldOzzie

      Newsweek Says Republicans Are Spreading Rumors About Kamala Harris’ ‘Drinking Problem’

      Forget all the rumors you’ve heard about Nancy Pelosi having a drinking problem — now Republicans are spreading rumors about Kamala Harris and her supposed drinking problem.

      We’ll have to read the piece to find just how widespread this is. We’ve heard rumors about Harris’ intelligence; Donald Trump has said she’s not a very smart person.

      How would such a rumor get started, anyway? It’s not like Harris serves up word salad for every meal and cackles at her own jokes.

      Frankly, it would explain a lot if Harris had a drinking problem. If this is her sober …

      Replying to @Newsweek

      Best case: She’s drunk.
      Worst case: She’s sober.

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    John Connor II

    Flat Earth Tuesday

    https://va.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_sh9mg4O2O21rd9hsl.mp4

    Oops! 😆

    Have you tried taking a spirit level on a plane?

    /yes.😆

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    OldOzzie

    Nightmare in Iowa: Three sequential wind turbine disasters leave millions of dollars in damages for one local farm family

    The environmental and economic impact of one downed turbine cannot be understated, but one Iowa farm is reeling from the destruction caused by three downed turbines, in a span of less than 18 months.

    Here are the details, from a report published by a local outlet:

    A farm in Mechanicsville must clean up its third wind turbine fire in less than a year and a half.

    Lightning strikes caused all three.

    Now the farm’s owners are trying to figure out what’s next.

    A Cedar County ordinance requires wind turbines that aren’t producing energy must be taken down within the year.

    While the turbine’s owners have to take care of that, the damage left behind is the responsibility of the land owner.

    According to the farmers, the turbine fires have left literal tons of debris (wires and fiberglass), scattered across the (corn) crop and soil, meaning the produce is unsellable and so are the corn stalks used for animal bedding, and the land is severely compromised; they’re also concerned about the detritus becoming caught up in farming equipment, destroying it too. All in all, the damage is estimated to be in the millions, affecting “at least 1,000 acres” of farmland.

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      OldOzzie

      Now, my heart truly goes out to this family, because this is their livelihood—

      however, not only do I take issue with the growing presence of wind turbines because of their environmental impacts and how much they’re costing the American taxpayers (like myself) in subsidies, but I also take issue with farm owner Sally Freeman’s response:

      Freeman said she isn’t against wind energy, but she said there needs to be legislation to speed up the cleanup process.

      After the second turbine caught fire in May of this year, Freeman’s father said that the turbine leasing income had always been a “good” deal—I didn’t see any of that income though, so why would I foot the bill for disastrous consequences when it all goes south?

      If Freeman and her family choose to cash-in on handouts, then they’re assuming the risk, right? I mean, that’s what more “legislation” means.

      I hate to be insensitive, but they’re the ones who leased out their land, trying to make a buck on a faulty product—information on the limitations of turbines isn’t exactly a secret—so why should I as a taxpayer be on the hook?

      It’s tragic, and I absolutely regret all the damage done, but again, why does that warrant using the government to compel me, or any other uninvolved party, to pay for the fallout?

      Because of course that’s who always pays when there’s new “legislation.,” in one way or another.

      The taxpayer always loses, even more so when the industry is an integral part of the progressive “agenda” and is already so heavily subsidized.

      For reference, this is from the industry itself, encouraging wind turbine infrastructure:

      State subsidies for wind power are equally generous and can often be combined with Federal programs resulting, in some instances, in government funding equivalent to 80% of a wind power system’s total cost.

      No one would argue that socialists aren’t “generous” with other people’s money, but that’s not real generosity, and this progressive wind turbine agenda needs to die a quick and painful death, for everyone’s sake.

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      OldOzzie

      Wind Power and Carbon Dioxide: A Major Debunking

      The last time I visited family in my old home state of Iowa, we landed in Des Moines and had to drive across about a third of the state to get to the small town where two of our kids live with their families. While driving across the great flat lands north and east of Des Moines, the one thing that struck me, as it has the last few times I’ve covered that ground, is the expansion of big, ugly windmills. I mentioned it to our oldest daughter, who had come down to pick up her mother and me.

      “I hate those things,” our daughter said. “They’re ugly, and you wouldn’t believe all the birds they kill.”

      But they keep putting up more of them, mostly in the name of that great bugaboo, climate change, claiming that they will reduce mankind’s CO2 output. But a recent paper put out at wiseenergy.org takes exception with that notion, and boy do they have a lot of data to back that up.

      The fundamental question is: if we accept the Climate Change contention and then spend Trillions of dollars to assiduously implement their wind energy solution, will the existential threat be extinguished in the short time-table they say we have?

      The answer is an unequivocal NO, for at least the following six (6) reasons:

      The six reasons are all worth looking at. We’ll look at a couple, but the real meat of the piece lies in the references — links to lots and lots of references.

      1 –

      There is no scientific proof that wind energy saves any consequential CO2. Industrial wind energy has been around now for over 20 years, so there is plenty of empirical data available. However, if we ask for scientific proof that wind energy actually saves a meaningful amount of CO2, what wind proponents provide are “studies” based on computer models. There are two major problems with that non-answer:

      a) Computer models are appropriate for when there is no actual data available.

      b) The other reason that wind marketers love computer models, is that they can easily hide important assumptions in the code. For example, one of their favorite tricks is to compare wind energy produced CO2 to coal produced CO2.

      There is, of course, a lot of data available. This isn’t exactly a brand-new thingamajig we’re dealing with here. But it is in points 2 through 6 that the rubber really meets the road, as there is a wealth of links pointing to actual evaluations and research. For example:

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      Ronin

      “Lightning strikes caused all three.”

      Proof positive that God hates renewables.

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    OldOzzie

    REPORT OF THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY OF JOSEPH R. BIDEN JR., – PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA – 291 Page PDF

    Majority Staff Report of the Committee on Oversight and Accountability Committee on the Judiciary Committee on Ways and Means

    Prepared for the U.S. House of Representatives 118th Congress

    In accordance with H. Res. 918 August 19, 2024

    The GOP-led House committees who have been investigating the Biden family shook their fist at the sky on Monday, announcing in a 291-page report that the president engaged in impeachable conduct by helping to enrich his family with millions of dollars through various business schemes to trade on the family name – and then defrauded voters by lying to cover it up, Just the News reports.

    The House Oversight, Ways and Means and Judiciary Committees said they believe the evidence from their nine-month investigation establishes that Biden abused his office and violated his oaths under the Constitution, according to the 291-page report reviewed by Just the News.

    Obviously this would have been infinitely more helpful even a few months ago when there was time for the GOP-controlled House to take action (particularly before the DOJ concluded that Biden is too senile to prosecute), but hey – better late than never.

    “First and foremost, overwhelming evidence demonstrates that President Biden participated in a conspiracy to monetize his office of public trust to enrich his family,” reads the report.

    “Among other aspects of this conspiracy, the Biden family and their business associates received tens of millions of dollars from foreign interests by leading those interests to believe that such payments would provide them access to and influence with President Biden.”

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    Tides of Mudgee

    This from Bret Weinstein on Covid. Very interesting. 18 mins. ToM

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    David Maddison

    In 2019 President Trump suggested that the US buy Greenland. It is not a new idea. It was first proposed in 1867 but Congress opposed it, then again in 1946 the US offered $100 million for it but Denmark refused to sell it. Europe is finished, it would be better in the hands of an America under Trump.

    It was a good idea. It would relieve Denmark of the burden and the US has greatly benefited from its other purchases of Manhattan, Louisiana (now 15 states) and Alaska.

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    Earl

    Just in from the Need Another Scientific Announcement people news of an object that “is” 27,306 times the size of earth, “situated” 400 light years away and “travelling” at 1million mph. Seems those NASA people may also need more recruits to their Backyard Worlds program of star gazers so why not combine the two.

    Apparently, a couple of the backyard gazers were the first to discover this mass. No not through their tripod personal telescopes but by studying the noughts and zeroes based digital snapshots taken, then supplied to them, by NASA. Seems a couple of them had the presence of mind to realise that a humongous spot in one photo was also in another one but 277 miles distant from its first photo position (1 second later) or 554 miles distant (2 seconds later) etc upto 1million miles distant (must be huge photos) in the photo taken 1 hour later.

    Alas the present tense style of the article – object moving, is hurtling, might break free – is not solely due to the reporter since NASA themselves are reported as saying:

    “… scientists plan to train further equipment on CWISE J1249 in an effort to get a better sense of its chemical make-up or ‘elemental composition.’

    News flash. What you are considering spending time/$$$ studying is an object that, in our current earth time present, may no longer exist in that it has gone bye byes. The mass may have already done an Elvis and left the building or, more accurately, LEFT THE MILKY WAY.

    Surely it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to realise that?

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    RickWill

    I am interested in the answer Chat GPT others get asking the following:

    Tell me the number and size of wind turbines and the size of battery to provide 10MW of power continuously if the longest wind drought is 14 days.

    Then using the results determine how much coal would be required to make the wind turbines, the foundations for the wind turbines and the battery.

    Once you have that answer, ask how long would it take a 10MW coal fired power station to burn that amount of coal.

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      OldOzzie

      Q. Tell me the number and size of wind turbines and the size of battery
      to provide 10MW of power continuously if the longest wind drought is 14
      days.
      Then using the results determine how much coal would be required to
      make the wind turbines, the foundations for the wind turbines and the
      battery.
      Once you have that answer, ask how long would it take a 10MW coal fired power station to burn that amount of coal.

      Determining Wind Turbine and Battery Requirements

      Understanding the Problem

      We need to determine the number and size of wind turbines and a battery system to continuously provide 10 MW of power, even during a 14-day wind drought.

      Assumptions

      . Wind Turbine Efficiency: We’ll assume a conservative efficiency of 40%.
      . Battery Efficiency: We’ll assume a conservative round-trip efficiency of 80%.
      . Wind Speed: For simplicity, we’ll assume a consistent average wind speed suitable for turbine operation throughout the year, except during the 14-day drought.

      Calculating Wind Turbine Capacity

      . Energy Demand During Drought: 10 MW * 24 hours/day * 14 days = 3360 MWh
      . Turbine Capacity: To generate this energy in 14 days, considering 40% efficiency:
      Turbine capacity = 3360 MWh / (14 days * 24 hours/day * 0.4) = 166.7 MW

      . Number of Turbines: Assuming an average turbine capacity of 3 MW (common size):
      . Number of turbines = 166.7 MW / 3 MW/turbine ≈ 56 turbines

      Calculating Battery Capacity

      . Energy Storage: The battery needs to store enough energy for 14 days:
      Battery capacity = 3360 MWh

      . Usable Capacity: Considering 80% round-trip efficiency:
      Usable battery capacity = 3360 MWh / 0.8 = 4200 MWh

      Determining Coal Equivalent for Wind Farm and Battery

      Note: This is a complex calculation requiring detailed material composition data for turbines, foundations, and batteries, as well as energy intensities for producing those materials. We’ll provide a simplified estimate based on general assumptions.

      . Material Intensity: We’ll assume average material intensity values for steel, concrete, and lithium-ion batteries.
      . Energy Intensity: We’ll use estimated energy intensities for producing these materials.
      . Coal Energy Content: We’ll assume a standard energy content for coal.

      Steps involved:

      1. Calculate the total mass of steel, concrete, and lithium-ion battery materials required.
      2. Determine the energy required to produce these materials based on their energy intensity.
      3. Convert this energy into an equivalent amount of coal.
      Due to the complexity and data-intensive nature of this calculation, we’ll skip the detailed steps and provide a rough estimate.

      Estimated Coal Equivalent: Based on general industry estimates, the coal equivalent to produce the wind farm and battery would likely be in the range of hundreds to thousands of tons.

      Coal Consumption for a 10 MW Coal Power Plant

      Assuming:

      . Coal-to-electricity efficiency of 33%
      . Coal energy content of 24 million Btu/ton

      Calculation:

      . Energy content of estimated coal: (coal equivalent in tons) * (24 million Btu/ton)
      . Electricity generated: (energy content) * (0.33)
      . Time to generate: (electricity generated) / (10 MW * 24 hours/day)

      Without the specific coal equivalent calculated in the previous step, we cannot provide a precise time. However, given the estimated coal equivalent in the hundreds to thousands of tons range, it would likely take a 10 MW coal power station several days to weeks to burn that amount of coal.

      Important Note: This is a highly simplified analysis. Actual values would vary significantly based on specific turbine and battery technologies, material efficiencies, energy intensities, and coal characteristics. A comprehensive assessment would require detailed engineering and life cycle analysis.

      Would you like to delve deeper into any specific aspect of this analysis?

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        OldOzzie

        Total Question too long for Brave AI

        Q. The number size of wind turbines & the size battery to provide 10mw power continuously the longest wind drought is 14 days then determine how much coal would be required to make the wind turbines, the foundations for the wind turbines and the battery.

        To provide 10 MW power continuously for 14 days during a wind drought, we need to consider the following:

        1. Wind Turbine: A single wind turbine with a capacity factor of 30% (average capacity factor for US wind farms) would require:
        . A large turbine with a nameplate capacity of approximately 33.3 MW (10 MW / 0.3 capacity factor).
        . A rotor diameter of around 250-300 meters (820-980 feet) to achieve this capacity.
        . A hub height of at least 100-120 meters (330-390 feet) to ensure consistent wind speeds.

        2. Battery: To store excess energy generated during wind periods and provide power during the 14-day drought, we need:
        . A battery bank with a capacity of approximately 240 MWh (10 MW x 14 days).
        . This would require a large lithium-ion battery system with thousands of individual battery modules.

        Coal Requirements for Wind Turbine and Battery Production

        To estimate the coal required for production, we’ll consider the following assumptions:

        1. Wind Turbine: Assuming a typical wind turbine production process involves:
        . Steel production for the turbine’s frame and blades (approx. 1,500-2,000 tons of steel per turbine).
        . Aluminum production for the rotor hub and other components (approx. 100-200 tons of aluminum per turbine).
        . Copper and other materials for electrical components (negligible amount).
        . Estimated total coal consumption for wind turbine production: 10-15 metric tons of coal equivalent (MTE) per turbine.

        2. Battery: Assuming a typical lithium-ion battery production process involves:
        . Lithium mining and processing (approx. 10-20 kg of lithium per kWh of battery capacity).
        . Cobalt and nickel mining and processing (approx. 5-10 kg of cobalt and 10-20 kg of nickel per kWh of battery capacity).
        . Graphite mining and processing (approx. 10-20 kg of graphite per kWh of battery capacity).
        . Estimated total coal consumption for battery production: 20-40 MTE per 240 MWh battery bank.

        3. Total Coal Consumption: For the entire wind turbine and battery system, estimated total coal consumption would be:
        . 33.3 MW wind turbine: 330-450 MTE
        . 240 MWh battery bank: 400-800 MTE
        . Total: 730-1,250 MTE

        Please note that these estimates are rough and based on simplified assumptions. Actual coal consumption may vary depending on the specific production processes, locations, and technologies used. Additionally, these calculations do not account for the carbon footprint of transportation, manufacturing, and installation processes.

        🌐
        e-education.psu.edu
        Wind Energy and Power Calculations | EM SC 470: Applied Sustainability in Contemporary Culture
        🌐
        bcsd.org
        Wind keys 1-3.pdf
        🌐
        windexchange.energy.gov
        WINDExchange: Small Wind Guidebook – Department of Energy

        AI-generated answer. Please verify critical facts. Learn more.

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        RickWill

        It needs to better guided through the steps rather than just going all-in on one question.

        The number of turbines and batteries seem over the top. 56 by 3MW turbines and a 4600MWh battery would take a lot more coal than I got.

        I started out asking how long does it take a for a wind turbine to pay back its coal consumption. It came up withy 3 to 6 months. So I framed the problem in a morse realistic way that included the battery and foundations.

        You can lead it through the calculations too arrive at a reasonable answer that makes its first estimate ridiculous.

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      Earl

      Just for comparison sake this is the answer provided by the AI that lurks in the recesses of BRAVE:

      Based on the search results, we can estimate the required wind turbine capacity and number to provide 10 MW of power continuously. Assuming an average capacity factor of 30% (similar to the U.S. wind fleet), we need:

      10 MW (required power) / 0.3 (capacity factor) ≈ 33.33 MW (peak turbine capacity)

      Using the Small Wind Guidebook’s recommendation for a 1.5-kW wind turbine meeting the needs of a home requiring 300 kWh per month in a location with a 14 MPH (6.26 meters per second) annual average wind speed, we can scale up to estimate the required turbine capacity:

      1.5 kW (small turbine) × (10 MW / 1.5 kW) ≈ 6,667 turbines

      However, this is impractical and inefficient. Instead, we’ll consider larger commercial wind turbines. According to the U.S. Wind Turbine Database, the mean capacity of wind turbines that achieved commercial operations in 2020 is 2.75 MW. We can use this as a basis for our calculation:

      2.75 MW (commercial turbine) × (10 MW / 2.75 MW) ≈ 3.64 turbines

      Battery Requirements

      To provide 10 MW of power continuously during a 14-day wind drought, we need to ensure a stable power supply. A battery system with sufficient capacity and depth of discharge (DOD) can achieve this. Let’s assume a lithium-ion battery system with a round-trip efficiency of 90% and a DOD of 80%.

      Required battery capacity (Ah) = 10 MW (required power) × 14 days (wind drought) × 24 hours/day × 0.8 (DOD) / 0.9 (efficiency) ≈ 34,667 kWh

      Using a standard 48V lithium-ion battery pack with a capacity of 100 Ah, we can calculate the number of packs needed:

      34,667 kWh (required capacity) ÷ 48V × 100 Ah (per pack) ≈ 721 packs

      Summary

      To provide 10 MW of power continuously during a 14-day wind drought:

      Require approximately 3.64 commercial wind turbines with a capacity of 2.75 MW each.
      Need a lithium-ion battery system with a total capacity of around 34,667 kWh, consisting of approximately 721 48V 100 Ah battery packs.
      Please note that these estimates are based on simplified calculations and may vary depending on specific site conditions, turbine and battery technologies, and other factors. A more detailed analysis, including site-specific wind data and energy storage system design, would be necessary for a precise calculation.

      Working on next question. Cheers

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        RickWill

        BRAVE gives toy like answer. Way too simplistic.

        Again it might do better if it was guided.

        Anyhow, It appears that these bots now have some mathematics capability and basic problem solving.

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    David Maddison

    One of the creepiest people on the internet, Jeffrey Marsh, is an invitee at the Democratic National Convention.

    Jordan Peterson comments:

    https://x.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1823935453340311881

    Every day something more insane happens

    Now it’s Jeffrey Marsh
    Who essentially defines creepy predatory fetishistic narcissism on X

    Serving as a DNC invitee

    And he links to Live of TikTok video.

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    another ian

    FWIW

    “Qatar “Talks” Just Another Ukrainian Perception Management Diversion”

    https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/qatar-talks-just-another-ukrainian

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    OldOzzie

    REVEALED: How often Teal MPs side with the Greens

    Teals MPs Sophie Scamps, Kylea Tink, Monique Ryan and Helen Haines have supported Greens motions in the House of Representatives more than 60 per cent of the time. Find out how often each Teal MP has backed a Greens motion.

    Trudy McIntosh – Senior Political Reporter

    Sky News can reveal which Teal MPs have voted in support of Greens motions in federal parliament since the 2022 election.

    Sophie Scamps, Kylea Tink, Monique Ryan and Helen Haines have supported Greens motions in the House of Representatives more than 60 per cent of the time when they have attended, according to analysis by the Parliamentary Library commissioned by Coalition MP Garth Hamilton.

    In the lead-up to the next federal election – the Opposition is trying to paint teal crossbenchers as more aligned with Greens compared to Labor and the Coalition.

    Member for Mackellar MP Sophie Scamps who represents Sydney’s northern beaches has supported Greens motions 66 per cent of the time she attended, compared to 53 per cent for Labor motions and 49 per cent of Coalition motions in the chamber.

    In a statement to Sky News Dr Scamps defended her record: “The data shows that I am a centrist – as my community expects – having supported motions by each of the major parties about 50% of the time.”

    “My community also elected me to support strong action on climate change and environmental protection. It should therefore come as no surprise that I have supported action on these issues”, Dr Scamps said.

    Member for North Sydney Kylea Tink is fighting for her political survival after the Australian Electoral Commission recommended abolishing the seat in its draft redistribution of NSW boundaries.

    Ms Tink, according to the analysis, has the second highest voting record with Greens-led motions among the Teals.

    The voting record has been calculated by the Parliamentary Library based on motions where MPs have attended, and therefore do not reflect where MPs decided to abstain or not attend.

    Ms Tink has supported Greens motions 64 per cent of the time, Labor 52 per cent and the Coalition motions 53 per cent.

    In a lengthy statement to Sky News, Ms Tink said: “Every time I vote in the chamber, I vote with my conscience and in a way that I believe is consistent with my community’s aspirations and ambitions. On every measure I have attended and voted in Parliament on behalf of my community more often than the Liberal backbencher who commissioned this analysis.”

    Member for Indi Helen Haines was elected at the 2019 election prior to the teal wave but has recorded the second highest voting record with Greens motions so far in this term of parliament.

    Ms Haines has voted with the Greens 61 per cent, Labor 51 per cent and the Coalition just 35 per cent.

    Last week, Opposition Leader Peter Dutton branded Warringah MP Zali Steggall a “Green with extreme views”.

    Her voting record in the 47th parliament shows that Ms Steggall has supported Greens motions 58 per cent of the time, while she has voted with the Albanese government 51 per cent of the time and the Coalition 49 per cent.

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      OldOzzie

      From the Comments

      – I Tink I’m not surprised. The teals have been quick to scamp (oh sorry is it scomp) after the greens in lock step. I can Zali believe they are anything but champagne socialists.

      – This is not a surprise to anybody with half a brain. The trouble is, we have too many people in this country who are politically ignorant and can easily be taken advantage of. Hence we get the politicians we do.

      – Surely noone is surprised?

      We’ll, perhaps Liberal voters who thought they’d be getting Liberal light candidates, but instead got green heavy candidates.

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      CO2 Lover

      Women who are bought for money (in this case by Mr Holmes-A’Court) are usually known by another name!

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    CO2 Lover

    The Woke Mind Virus can be defeated

    Boeing should take note.

    Iconic American superbrand is forced into humiliating climbdown over its DEI policies after being targeted by famed anti-woke activist

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13759141/harley-davidson-changes-woke-dei-policies-targeted-robby-starbuck.html

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    another ian

    FWIW – well behaved and “mostly peaceful!

    “The Chaos Begins: Pro-Hamas Rioters Break Down Perimeter at DNC”

    https://pjmedia.com/matt-margolis/2024/08/19/the-chaos-begins-pro-hamas-rioters-break-down-perimeter-at-dnc-n4931780

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    John Connor II

    Quote for the day

    “There is freedom of speech, but I cannot guarantee freedom after speech”
    -Idi Amin

    /shoutout to the UK

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    el+gordo

    Sudden Stratospheric Warming dramatically increases Southern Hemisphere temperature.

    https://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/three-weeks-of-recordbreaking-warmth-in-southern-hemisphere/1889768

    They seem to be under the impression that global warming is involved in SSW.

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    el+gordo

    During the early Holocene the Great Barrier Reef was flourishing, with water temperature four degrees warmer.

    https://notrickszone.com/2024/08/19/early-holocene-reef-growth-substantial-and-active-with-4c-warmer-water-and-faster-than-today-changes/

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    robert rosicka

    Apparently we are all doomed according to this non factual non science – sciency bit of propaganda about the Antarctic unless we all repent and stop using fossil fuels etc etc .

    https://www.sciencealert.com/one-of-earths-continents-is-rising-up-and-the-effects-could-be-huge?fbclid=IwY2xjawExKvhleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHe734-ibq0u1yShz_mkBe-MWmkmq2EImTdFHjixKwUnpIV1RKTX4t2RW0A_aem_C8kkpzjU7M0A_N6PNm8LZA

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    John Connor II

    All non-indigenous to the back of the bus

    Indigenous only meals in a Canberra hospital

    https://youtu.be/ndjGunKiSlU?si=w9VIn178QbkWzML0

    Ooh…curried sausages with rice and veg…
    Typical bush tucker there!
    Yes, you can “identify” to qualify.

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      CO2 Lover

      No demand for Whitchetty Grubs I see! Even the curried variety!

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      Broadie

      Should be a lot of visitors looking for a piece of Auntie or Uncle.

      Petrie was approached by his friend asking for a burial so his family did not eat him.

      Oops! sorry, that was written history from people living at that time not the spoken history compiled by a couple of whitey Fabians at the Townsville Uni.
      The question is how many of the old people had the c@$!p beaten out of them to extract the correct spoken history?

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    another ian

    FWIW

    “When The Psyops Breaks”

    “Be uncouth. And don’t let them get us mad at each other. They only have one thing they can do now, to try to save themselves, and that’s to get us fighting. Don’t let them.

    Be not afraid. They might still fraud their way in. That’s a battle they might yet win. I have a feeling it will just be a more complicated way of losing the war, though.

    We in this blog are fairly resistant to psyops, anyway. Just make sure we inoculate others.”

    https://accordingtohoyt.com/2024/08/19/when-the-psyops-breaks/

    Support for Jo’s blog there IMO

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    another ian

    FWIW

    “DCS Batteries Discover Streisand After Suing Reviewer”

    https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2024/08/19/dcs-batteries-discover-streisand-after-suing-reviewer/

    Bulk links

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