Like a Brexit moment for the nation.
UPDATE: Australia overwhelmingly votes for No Segregation. 60:40
UPDATE: New Zealand votes to throw out the Labor Government. It’s a good day!
The Labor Government wants to make some changes to the Constitution but they won’t tell us what they are what’s in the legislation that flows from the vaguely worded changes*. Presumably they know we won’t like it, and presumably, most Australians seem to have figured that out.
How, under the sun, did a nation of adults get to a point where we are being asked to effectively sign legal documents that no one has read?
Polling from FocalData suggests that the people who live in the high density inner city locations, furthest from disadvantaged Aboriginal communities, are the ones voting Yes. It’s like a fashion accessory. And for Big Business and washed up celebrities too.
FocalData also said: “… our estimates point to a significant loss, and the potential for a realignment in Australian politics that looks quite a lot like the US and UK realignment.”
h/t Neville
*Amended: It’s a blank cheque. The wording of the constitutional change is listed here, giving Parliament and the High Court infinitely wide scope to interpret how the new constitutional “body” works, how the members are selected, who gets to vote on “the Voice” and who is excluded. The body effectively would be able to “make representations” on everything. What law could possibly be made that did not affect or relate to “Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples”? What percentage of indigenous heritage is enough? 10%, 1%, 0.1% or none at all?
Thanks to Strop.
There’s also something wrong about the result being able to be bought through promotion / people shoving pamphlets in your face etc for a constitutional change.
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Perfect. We now know where to put the aboriginal housing and drop-in centres. In the big cities where they are all in favour. It would be great for property prices.
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Unsure why Herbert is singled out on that map, but it is a centre of the Aboriginal Industry™, with a high crime rate, the police district averaging 4 MV thefts a day.
Your observation is valid.
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That’s good In the US, the rich, inner city virtue signalling hypocrites who favoured open borders changed their position pretty quickly when the problem turned up on their door step.
This Voice was a Trojan Horse for major changes to our society. No benefit would have accrued to aboriginals but an unelected body would have been able to dictate to parliament. I’m reassured that the majority of Australians have common sense. But there are a lot of Australians who remain idiots.
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Hopefully, a positive result of NO will be seen in the first hour or two or counting. If we don’t get a result on the night and it goes to postal votes…I’ll start worrying. With all the other problems this Country has, we do not need to racially divide it and turn that $39 billion a year we currently spend on the aboriginal industry into triple that figure.
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If we do not get a result tonight then I also will start smelling a rotten marsupial.
I have little enough faith in the establishment of this country anyway. Let’s see . .
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Here in the US that is the smell of ‘fortification’.
Did you hear of any American ‘consultants’ recently visiting?
We are a helpful people.
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The ‘Yes’ side could still win, Joe Briben style.
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Oh and I voted NO a couple of days ago.
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As Stalin is reputed to have said:
“It is not who votes that counts, but who counts the votes”.
Was there not a recent news snippet in which the AEC indicated “accidental double voting” would be “overlooked”?
The entire rock-show is straight-up PROVOCATION. If “yes” gets up, by whatever means, its promoters will launch a cascade of smarmy scorn and targeted “outing”..
If, as is probably unlikely, NO gets the nod, there will be a torrent of abuse and “attitude adjustment”.
As Lenin observed: “The worse, the better”.
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Just like the almost faded from memory Antifa, BLM, and the currently failing climate loons and tranZzzzz movements, the “voice” is just the latest WEF-orchestrated squeaky wheel, shrill minority, determined to force society to indulge their views and accept their fake repression and disadvantaged claims.
But just like throwing politicians and health experts into a volcano to appease the gods, it doesn’t matter whether it works or not or whether you vote yes or no.
It’s just the latest incarnation of the Cloward-Piven strategy, the objective of which is to destabilise and divide society.
The division and resentment will persist, but a NO win means less fruitfullness of Schwab’s mesianic plans.
Vote NO and help save the virtue signalling city dwelling ignorami from themselves.
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It’s not surprising that most inner urban people think that all Aboriginals have this “identity” with land and culture – the noble savage of the 19th century. It is this misconception whereby that Indigenous culture is somehow exceptional that drives the mindset of the chattering classes. What is indigeneity?
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The only indigenous people these inner city ‘wokes’ have ever met are so disadvantaged they too can afford to live in inner city suburbs. Strange that.
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If the Labor government are so concerned about Aboriginals why have they wasted $400M on the voice yet refuse to spend $7M on a boarding school in Alice Springs?!
All you have to do is to look at the wording on the AEC website – clause iii) gives parliament constitutional level power. It’s purely a power grab. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Vote No to Racialisation of society, No to Racism, Division and Apartheid. Vote No to The Voice. We are One Australia, All together, All equal. Write ‘No’ with a black pen.
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Kim, you’ve forgotten the most important fact, vote NO TO MINORITY RULE!!!
This Australia of ours is a Democracy, which means rule by the majority in accordance with law enshrined in our constitution. More than likely the fairest Democracy on the planet.
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The fact that Australia has become a small and lucrative economy with reasonable government is part of the problem in the eyes of the global corporatists. If they can divide us down lines of race, creed or wealth we will become easier to control. Perhaps a written manifesto of “The Voice” would have rendered the whole referendum process a fore-gone conclusion.
It’s an old ploy.
a) I was in the UK when the Thatcher Govt divided the coal miners. Smaller, less efficient mines were closed but critically, the National Union of Miners never recovered its grip over the industry.
b) Hitler divided middle Germany over spurious claims about Academics, Freemasons and Jews to a point where no-one stood up against what he was really aiming for.
c) During the late 70s huge mineral resources were discovered on the South Atlantic sea-bed. In early ’82 the UK Govt ignored requests from the The Falklands Governor for a military presence. They knew Argentina was about to invade and let them do so, despite having submarines in the region. The ensuing British public indignance polarised most people into missing the point of the military exercise.
My best guess is that there are still many practical thinking folk in regional Australia who will oppose this poorly presented referendum.
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On your point ‘a’, they chose to fight her not rationalise the industry and Wilson closed far more mines than Thatcher, but that was ok, he was a socialist.
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They have to be the victims in perpetuity. How is it possible to have a grievance industry otherwise. As for white air heads….
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There is NO need to change OUR Australian Constitution whatsoever. There are already enough voices. The trouble is, no one in power has ever been listening.
The Aboriginal Industry being run by the so called elites is no better than an African Despot Dictatorship with all that corruption.
The flood of Taxpayer money (many, many Billions of dollars) goes in at the top and by the time it gets down to the bottom (where the people that need it are) it’s only a trickle of a few dollars and cents.
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I couldn’t agree more. Plus the multitude of support services is mind bending. A recent article about Ceduna in SA recently told of around 70 support services for around 800+ local aboriginals. Where I came from in northern NSW wasn’t much better, they even built a whole new hospital for aboriginals in a town of 12,000. I think it is almost as big as the district hospital there.
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Changing the flag will be next, they will seek a referendum and debate the design after the vote.
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They listen Johnny, hence the billions spent. There is a cacophony of voices with no adults prioritising competing demands.
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We already have the NIAA ($4B/year and 1,300 staff) supposedly performing the roles of ‘The Voice’:
https://www.niaa.gov.au/who-we-are/the-agency
Our responsibilities
The National Indigenous Australians Agency was established by an Executive Order signed by the Governor-General on 29 May 2019.
The Executive Order gives the NIAA a number of functions, including:
– to lead and coordinate Commonwealth policy development, program design and implementation and service delivery for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples;
– to provide advice to the Prime Minister and the Minister for Indigenous Australians on whole-of-government priorities for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples;
– to lead and coordinate the development and implementation of Australia’s Closing the Gap targets in partnership with Indigenous Australians; and
– to lead Commonwealth activities to promote reconciliation.
Need I add that I voted NO?
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Interesting.
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Hi John,
Absolutely true – but I don’t think Linda Burney has a CLUE about ANY of them – surprise 🙂
They’ve also got the Coalition of Peaks. This was set up around 2018/19 and to say the aboriginal people have no voice is a blatant LIE.
https://www.coalitionofpeaks.org.au/governance
This referendum was NOTHING but an attempted land grab which most of the remote communities saw straight through. The “80% of aboriginal communities are saying yes” message that was repeated ad nauseum during the whole process was also a LIE. In the end it was totally opposite – only around 20% of them voted yes. The ten electorates with the most aborigines enrolled to vote returned a resounding NO.
The next grab for power by these WEF puppets is the ACMA: Misinformation and Disinformation Bill.
https://www.natlawreview.com/article/acma-misinformation-and-disinformation-bill
You can still make a submission here:
https://www.infrastructure.gov.au/have-your-say/new-acma-powers-combat-misinformation-and-disinformation
This is all about diminishing our right as Australians to FREE SPEECH and to controlling what you’re allowed to say on social media. This law, if passed, will NOT apply to standard media formats. These tyrants HATE that there is currently a media format that allows us to have FREE SPEECH and will do anything to stop it.
Cheers.
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Never sign a legal document without reading every single word of it.
People used to know this, back in the day.
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Of course, we can’t do that because the Government refuses to tell us what they have planned.
It’s extraordinary that a large proportion of Australians have been so dumbed-down and also have become so racist that they are prepared to vote for Apartheid.
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We didn’t need no steenking government department to teach us that – mum and dad taught us, and how to do the times-table and add & subtract & multiply in our heads – OK, I’m showing my age now.
Re: colours chosen for % map, BROWN for most of Aus, and PURPLE for Canberra & other inner-city types? Sponsored by a hair dye company? Odd choices.
All the best for today, having done my part yesterday to vote out what’s left of Ms Ardern’s pyjama party… though the alternative(s) aren’t much different when you peer behind the curtain.
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As a document reader type I once circled every item of a bank loan proposal that I considered biased or down-right unfair and posted the 36 pages of A4 back to them. I never heard from that load of shonks again.
I suspect “our” Govt knew that sensible folk would reject what they were really proposing.
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As I posted on Friday:
Despite polling showing a disastrous Voice vote and the people will vote NO against Apartheid, I have little confidence that the vote will not be manipulated in some way and the result might still be a YES in favour of Apartheid.
https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/referendum-for-the-voice-set-to-be-defeated-according-to-latest-poll/news-story/172d49096f950dbcb243c6f63bf558fb
See Tweet from Rukshan Fernando.
Go to link to see report of a relative he cited as I can’t copy and paste it.
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I have seen s lot of YES posters in people’s yards and businesses but never a NO.
This is probably because the Leftist, socialist pro-Apartheid activists will either tear them down or commit an act of violence if an individual or boycott if a business.
That’s how thugs like Communists and National Socialists get into power and that’s how they’ve got themselves into power in Australia and through the West as well.
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Was thinking the same thing David. Not a single No placard anywhere. Who would be game to put up a No placard on their property? Believe this says a lot about the left and the Greens.
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Put up a NO sign on our property some weeks ago after the local card carrying communist of the Labor party put up two party signs on his gate. I also fly the Australian flag 24 hours a day. We have a street light that illuminates the flag. We had one communist yes pamphlet in letter box just under the NO sign,no damage but said pamphlet torn up and in bin. The last 3 days we have flown the flag at half mast in support of Israel.
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Why bother? The YES-spruikers were doing a great job of supporting the NO cause.
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Ah yes, but anyone putting up a NO sign would be seen as racist who hates the ‘riginals.
Likely to have a brick through the window at 3am.
So, no NO signs, out of fear of retribution from the self-appointed do-gooders.
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When I voted I made sure to use my own pen, not the supplied pencil which could potentially be erased and the vote altered.
Plus, I’m not convinced that YES activists wouldn’t have systematically joined the temporary employment AEC positions in relation to this referendum.
I currently have ZERO confidence or trust in all Australian Government institutions.
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Something more to take note of:-
The Sydney pro Hamas demonstrations, “gas the Jews” & other comments are apparently not “ hate speech “. The MSM don’t even mention it, but mention that you think the religion of Islam is BS you’ll be carted off to jail quick smart.
Governments , of both parties, are snivelling cowards or they actually oppose the electorate as part of some UN / WEF agenda. Government no longer governs for the country!!
Look at net ZERO. The western economies are turning away but thugs in Canberra insist on bankrupting & destroying our economy. This too applies to both ALP & Coalition!
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Currently 60/40 in favour of NO.
Woo hoo!😎
Why are we not using computer voting instead of pencils anyway?
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Because “electronic” voting systems are much easier to corrupt. See the colossal scale of “creativity” at the last US Election.
It happened; and will keep on happening, and without there being a solid trail of provenance, it is DESIGNED to be corruptible.
The voting “dead” and that good old Labor tactic; “Vote early,. Vote often” are constant risks.
However, if the AEC gets bent, all bets are off.
The price of Liberty is eternal vigilance. Not that we have many real “liberties” left in Oz.
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Oh please…an unverified count by un-named individuals with a pencil vote vs a hackable computer vote?
I was hacking mainframes before you were in diapers.
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tell us more, oh wise one!
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Exactly why it is needed to implement a policy to, for example, reduce perinatal deaths to that in white communities. It’s about three times as high for indigenous mothers as non-indigenous mothers, but it’s the same for those in isolated communities, smokers and mothers who have already given birth four times. Duh!
Even some socialists think it’s a dumb idea, and like ATSIC, it will merely enrich the elite (eg Noel Pearson).
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2023/10/12/uzku-o12.html
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“Who wants racial segregation?”
Uh … lots of folk … it’s the new thing on campus where the young and hip future leaders learn to lead.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/05/american-colleges-segregated-housing-graduation-ceremonies/
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Yes, the DemocRATs are returning to their KKK days.
And in KKKommiefornia, they now have a special missing persons code specifically for black people, as if one of the slaves ran away. (Not a joke, not Babylon Bee satire. Real.)
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The cost of this referendum is $364 million.
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/voice-to-parliament/budget-papers-reveal-the-3646-million-cost-of-delivering-the-voice-referendum/news-story/80a7550b3113a0ff07902cb6da6850e1
The cost of the 1967 referendum was $1,041,000.
https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/FlagPost/2017/May/The_1967_Referendum
According to the RBA inflation calculator that $1,041,000 would be $14,848,100 in today’s money.
The current referendum is costing over 24 times as much in real terms as the 1967 one, and there was much less computerisation back in the day.
Where does it all go? Probably a lot of it lines the pockets of overpaid and underemployed public serpents and their vastly overpaid “consultants”, the Canberra Elites.
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David, the Government legislative allocation for the “Voice” is $364 million which includes advertising and incidentals for the Yes campaign
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ALL of it effectively stolen at gunpoint from the tax-slaves.
Unreasonable opinion?
Try NOT paying all and sundry “taxes”,excises, “fees and charges”, fines, etc. The “rough-end of the pineapple, forever, springs to mind. Never mind Orwell’s “shiny jackboot meets human face: forever” analogy.
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As Gramski would say, This was extremely successful and should we suffer a famine our reserves are exhausted and we will crave the new leader.
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Let’s say that at some time in the future, with The Voice having got up in a referendum, a vote in parliament passes a law that Labor/Green doesn’t like. So they put it to The Voice which is of course controlled by Labor/Green bureaucrats (is there any other sort). The end result is endless bickering which delays the bill’s implementation or may even get it cancelled in spite of assertions that The Voice will have no power. But before that’s all done and dusted, there’s another bill, and another, and another ……. Eventually, no bills get through at all unless approved by Labor/Green. IOW it’s a back-door way of giving absolute power to Labor/Green. And guess what – it will do nothing useful for our Aboriginal people, just like Labor/Green has never done anything useful for Aboriginal people in the past (other than supporting the 1967 referendum).
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Bingo.
And the courts would have been tied up with endless claims that the government of the day did not properly consider whatever the voice put forward. That is how lawfare works.
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Racial segregation?
What’s that.
Maybe I’ll have to listen to waaleed to become informed.
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While listening if you pick up anything on gender segregation be sure to let all Jovites know please.
As mentioned in the Voice principles:
– The Voice will have balanced gender representation at the national level.
and
– Members of the Voice would be expected to connect with – and reflect the wishes of – their communities.
So perhaps the first big battle will be this thang called gender equality maybe? Or are there really only 2 genders after all??
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The relationship between Australia and the Left is that of human body and cancers, which have many shapes – a gender one, a climate another, a racial third, etc…
There are two ends only to that relationship – cancer kills a body so both die or a body, having brains, takes some medicine and kills cancer.
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“Voting Yes,it’s like a fashion accessory and for Big business and washed up celebrities too.”
Too right it is, and all the young ones I know between 20 and 50 are voting yes, it’s the ‘Vibe’ don’t you know.
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Good, then they will own nothing and be happy.
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I wonder when it will dawn on the celebrities, the media and the political elites that their views are only shared by 22/151 electorates across the country. If ever there was clear evidence of living in one’s own echo chamber, surely this is it.
“What do you mean, the peasants don’t love us? What’s wrong with them?”
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I was at Camoweal in QLD when Pat Farmer went through , apart from his entourage there was no one else anywhere near him .
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Another leftard LINO who outlived his usefulness.
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I went to cast my ballot, I have never had to line up, and today took 40 minutes. Glad to see so many distrust the system and this was the chatter I could over hear, that and Pen’s.
People used to consider politicians a joke, it has degraded to the point that nobody trusts the political or electoral system.
Our country is lost.
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The entire Yes campaign is an explicit admission that politicians don’t listen to their constituents. And with 11 Aboriginal people in parliament, they don’t listen to each other, either. Given every adult Australian already has a voice to parliament that we are all using today, why do I get the impression the government will develop selective deafness, as always?
Perhaps Linda Burney should just do her job.
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Linda Burney is A useless minister.On the other hand Jacinta Price is doing her job in a thoroughly magnificent way. She has shown the rest of Australia’s politicians how they should conduct themselves. Very impressive.
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Very few Australians that I mix with seem conversant with the development of Common Law and The Westminster Parliamentary System. If we want to help minority groups we need to keep gently modifying our Common Law. It does not require major sweeping top-down change or ridiculous expense.
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Just spent last two weeks at pre-polling centres supporting NO side. First week the demographic was mainly elderly. What stuck out was the number that acknowledged greeting and quietly walked in then as they left it was smiles all round and so many quietly thanked me for being there or gave thumbs up close to their body. This last week and the demographic has been younger and so many seemed to be deaf to the courtesy of “Good morning” or “have a good day”. While the strongest I have experienced has been the old “racist” charge other volunteers have been sworn at. The more unique response to “do you want more information” came from one “youngster” who responded, “I don’t speak bigotry”.
I am sure the Yes side have their own tales but those aside their “tactics” have been interesting. Every last one I have stood in vicinity of have clearly been trained to make it personal. Ranged from why are you against the voice, through to historical stuff like how bad South Africa was etc etc. Had one very questionable incident when a big 4×4 pulled up and big Polynesian unit got out and was met by someone I believe had been working in Yes tshirt but was now not wearing it. Heard her say “he’s the one in the blue shirt” which got my interest. Watched the guy walk up to the “blue shirt” and shake his hand so thought it was maybe a friend/acquaintance thing. Then an AEC official came out and ordered the “blue shirt” to leave and proceeded to take a picture of him and his car. Learnt later that “blue shirt” had started proselytizing in the carpark hence the AEC action. Question is though how is it some private muscle was called to attend and who called him?.
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Thank you Earl!
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I was also handing out how-to-vote cards and had the same experience as you with the elderly, but on the contrary I found the young people very supportive of the NO campaign. The YES voters seemed to be the blue-rinse set, (is that still a thing?) I mean upper-middle class housewives and middle-aged female public servant types, effete male teachers or public servants, people who despite their complete ignorance thought they knew better than you, and that their opinion was naturally superior regardless of the facts, just because it was theirs and because they are naturally more important than us deplorables.
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Your demographic interesting indeed. Must be something in this part of Qld’s water lol. Good on you for putting yourself out there. Cheers.
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Can vouch for this. Middle aged women mostly well off, are the most competitively “compassionate” group out there. All listen to ABC/SBS, all very keen to loudly state their compassion for the underprivileged etc, it’s like a bunfight as to who can win the biggest prize in a conversation. If you dare to state a different view they look at you like you just crawled out under a rock. Peer pressure is nothing compared to their virtue signalling intimidation.
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Thanks Earl for your efforts,
I voted a few days ago. I have been to 3 polling booths, just to check on things.
My own area seems likely marginal “Yes”, and we have been subjected to weeks of people declaring their support on their fences etc. Zero “No” posters for very obvious reasons. However it seems that there are silent “No” voters around.
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Cheers Peter C. Yes one of our booth volunteers said his poster was vandalised the very first night, he didnt bother after that. Plenty of Yes posters out in our suburb which remained throughout the campaign and says a lot for the difference in tolerance between camps.
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Aloha! REPERATIONS???? In the USA every time a black kid steals a car and gets a slap on the hand I chalk it up to reparations! Blacks have been getting reparations ever since LBJ came up with democrat “city plantations” most people know them as ghettos! Free rent and free money and free food for the past 62 years. In 1960 dollars $100 is $1000 and $1000 is $100,000 and into millions. Why are the Asians who are 7% of the US population earning more than whites who are 60% while the blacks are 13% and have been failing economically at the bottom of the earnings ever since they’ve been voting democrat? Ever since they voted fathers out of the family replacing them with democrat social workers and a monthly welfare check! Democrat policies for black communities have not been working 62 years ago and its not working today! Voting with blinders on is a disaster. Marxism always fails!
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True
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Just propaganda to portray the result as anything out Australians seeing it for what it is – a stupid idea
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Geez. You wouldn’t want to be charging the enemy knowing that you had to rely on these wimps to back you up.
I wish some people would “grow a set”!
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What a bunch of Wayne Kerrs. Perhaps they should focus on cricket skills……
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Will Elbow follow Cameron’s example and resign ( Brexit )?
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Cameron is a conservative. Albanese is a lefty. What do you think?
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No chance, he has a hide as thick as an Andrews.
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Happens in the US congress on a regular basis! 😆
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Happens in most if not all governments.
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Aloha! Happens every time you sign up for facebook or a credit card or a home loan or a brokerage! Most people never read the fine print of anything. Most people only read headlines for their news! Most people do as they are told by authoritarian dictates!
We just finished three years of 75% of Americans getting an experimental jab for covid 19 based on biden’s say so! He mandates it so he must know it works! Covid was nothing short of a marxist dictator dream come true! People like me who are in their 60s and never got a jab and never got covid were made to be the enemy of the state. I was not allowed to fly or get a job and now hillary clinton wants to put us all in another FDR concentration camp for not voting democrat.
The West has never been more gullible and obedient as they are now! Kids protesting with baby murdering hamas were the same ones signing up as guards at Auschwitz in 1943! The easiest way for a college kid from Harvard to know they’re making a mistake with hamas is to ask a palestinian “Where is the hamas lbgtq?” Where’s the hamas rainbow flag????
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Strange times when some poor sod in The Gaza Strip doesn’t know where he and his family will sleep tonight or if they’ll ever be able to return to what was “home” while well-dressed Australians on the telly stick their bottom lips out and moan about the result of a civilised referendum. While I’m relieved about the result I do wonder whether we’ve all become too Molly-coddled and soft-headed to engage with reality.
How much money has been burned up in the various Arab/Israeli conflicts? How much money was wasted upon this “voice” rubbish. Are we missing a crucial point somewhere along the line ?
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I don’t think this is a correct statement. We do know what the proposed change to the constitution is. We have been presented with the wording.
What we don’t know is the detail of the legislation and powers and make-up of the Voice. This is separate to the constitution change. It is a significant
What we don’t know with the constitution is how the high court would interpret the wording today, or in the future when high court members change.
I say that as someone who spent hours volunteering with the No campaign and having donated over $500 to the campaign. Not someone defending the government’s handling of the proposal or the proposal itself. The wording was flawed and I don’t agree with the idea of a Voice in the Constitution.
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Lost some text (or train of thought) after “It is a significant”.
Was meant to be “It is a significant unknown”.
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Thanks Strop. That’s a fair detail. I will amend.
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Let the counting begin! At least in NSW, VIC, TAS, ACT
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Counting has started in some of the states.
https://tallyroom.aec.gov.au/ReferendumNationalResults-29581.htm
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Voice To Parliament Referendum Results Coverage
Live feed
Rukshan Fernando
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjxnztO5WL0
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Counting ahead of time should be an absolute no no, as should postal voting, except for valid infirmity or overseas military, business, etc. It gives the globalists time to see how much manipulation will be needed to win. Just look at the six key states in the US; Trump ahead, counting stopped overnight, massive utterly impossible dump of votes for Biden to take the lead when counting resumed; and they say there is no evidence of cheating.
In the UK Brexit vote the Remainers were so arrogant they convinced themselves they could not lose, so failed to set up a fix. Mind you they have set up plenty of fixes since to sabotage implementation.
The vote was 51.9% LEAVE v 48.1% REMAIN; close in percentage terms but turn-out was 72%, and that translated into a majority of almost 1,3m votes, which the BBC and the entire leftist Remain panoply called a small margin.
Contrast with the referendum in Wales for the National Assembly, which has been a socialist fiefdom ever since.
Only half the registered voters turned out and the result was 50.3% YES v 49.7% NO.
So only a quarter of the small population actually voted for it and the winning margin was 6,721 votes. No, that’s not a misprint; a few thousand. And it was hailed by the socialist government as a clear mandate.
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Looking like National Act for New Zealand winnie not needed
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The ABC coverage seems extremely biased, and hostile towards any “No” people.
I know bias is expected, but the magnitude is still a bit of a shock.
During election coverage, they usually manage to keep themselves slightly under controL
Mind you, I haven’t watched any extended ABC coverage of anything in a long time, so maybe the vitriol is normal now?
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That’s why I’m listening to Skynews , still a mix of yes and no but a more open and honest forum .
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Yes. Shockingly biased and in obvious violation of their charter.
I don’t normally watch Lamestream media either.
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Look at grandler figures and you can see why elbow and his mates love letting in terrorists
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It’s an advisory body, not even as powerful as the oil lobby (they buy the results they want). It is up to parliament to take action on the advice. But FUD is the delaying tacti used buy the smoking lobby, the oil lobby and is being used here
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Peter, do yourself a favour and check whether your backside is on fire.
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ahh yes, the famous “oil lobby”.
Peter cant name any actual organisations, or show where the money has changed hands, but still, he deludes himself.
I find it very interesting that on one hand, you’ve apparently got the “oil lobby” bribing people, yet according to the same people, the oil and gas industry is positively swimming in subsidies. Seems to me, if you have an apparent endless supply of subsidies, why would you need to keep spending money on some elaborate, global, all-pervasive lobbying…?
Peter, you have no clue about science, economics or finance, and you don’t seem to understand much about psychology either, so, what line of work are you in, exactly?
An economist, perhaps? A lawyer? A social worker?
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I read it carefully Peter and the question was, would you like to look after the needy/ save koalas/ be nice to Grand Ma. The usual thin edge of the wedge, a bit like the Fair Work Act or the Tax Laws, lovely to read only open to interpretation and therefore a lawyers Banquet.
Time to look at the destruction your idealistic crap has done to these communities and to show what would be a real apology by ending the victim hand-outs.
Bot out and be a Man PF.
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$400 million dollars, 12 months of basting, an hour and a half of counting and your goose was cooked.
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Just listening to Chris Kenny on why the voice looks like going down with massive counts for the No side , and for once on this issue he has nailed it by saying if it wasn’t for Julian Neeson defecting to the yes camp and Jacinta Price being elevated to the position of Shadow Indigenous affairs the yes vote would have prevailed.
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If NO wins, what plot will the Government execute next?
This isn’t the end of it.
Australians will be punished for voting NO to Apartheid.
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We will have to vote the barstards out . .
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No Wins!
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Sanity has prevailed . .
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Must check out the ABC coverage and see if they too have called it for the No side .
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They have. Likewise Sky.
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ABC are also calling it as No , a lot of votes still to be counted but by the way things are going it is going to be around 60% for No which is a thumping .
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In all states as well. Yay! Yes, I know voting has just closed in WA, but I have no doubt that WA will also vote No.
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Oz democracy back from the brink – temporarily
Cits weren’t prepared, as yet, to sign a blank cheque.
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So far WA has the highest NO percentage – over 72%.
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Over an hour later and it looks like Qld will get the Gold Medal, I didn’t expect that nor did I expect Vic to reject it.
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All I can say is “YES” !
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The story is that at a polling station a few young lads turned up and approached the rare ‘No Vote’ person and asked how they can vote ‘No’ as they have not voted before. The local dog walker and ‘No’ Booth attendee offered to take them up to the hall and show them the way. This brought on what was a legitimate offence from a ‘Yes’ campaigner. He stated the Lady with the ‘No’ Vote shirt could not enter the Hall.
The lady removed her shirt and took the young chaps to the hall.
Police were evidently called to calm the ‘Yes’ Activist.
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It looks like the “NOs” won, but it’s alarming that such a high proportion of people voted “YES” and thus support the principle that race-based laws are OK.
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I really doubt the thought processes extended that far for many. Its just about the feelgood vibe and that somehow magic would happen if you just voted yes
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Hearty CONGRATULATIONS!!! from Virginia/US.
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Thank God.
For our children’s future thank god this referendum didn’t get up.
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And Labour gets the shaft in NZ, what a great weekend.
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Let the lies begin – CNN runs the leftist smear
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Signing documents that nobody has read? Why does that sound familiar? Oh, yes. When John Major signed the Maastricht Treaty committing the UK to further EU rules. Famous comment ‘Now we have signed it, perhaps we ought to read it.’
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7 News has been presenting multiple people claiming that the vote will not change their agenda, or words to that effect.
It sounded to me like they were saying ‘blow the decision of the majority’.
I am surprised and pleased that Prime Minister Albanese rejected the most extreme form of that argument, saying “We’ve had a referendum and we will respect that result”, or words to that effect.
Oh wait, then he quoted Churchill “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that count.” Effectively, damn the result.
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Great rhetoric, but we all know this is one-day rhetoric, which will shift back to the status quo as soon as Albo and his party think they can get away with it. It’ll all be about ‘treaty this, treaty that, State and Territory level Voice bodies, etc’.
I don’t believe for a second anything that comes out of a Fabian Socialist’s mouth.
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Who’d have thought Canberra would be totally out of touch with the entire nation. Only the home of the gravy train voted YES.
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Echo chambers of insane incompetence:
New York – UN
Washington DC – USA
Brussels _ EU
London – UK
Canberra – Australia
Tremp had the right idea but the swamp was bigger than he ever imagined.
These seats of government need regular sweeping clean. Complete turnover of personnel at least ever decade. With the clarity of hindsight Coombs et al added to the chamber in choosing Canberra for the ANU. Now some 4,000 academics who should have been located closer to the productive enterprises rather than deep inside the swamp.
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I so, so, so, so want Vic to come in as a NO so that all States and Territories except the echo chamber in Canberra voted majority NO.
If I could have but one early Christmas gift, it would be a Victorian miracle; we all know they need redemption after voting to retain Dan Andrews after the Covidian episode.
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…and NO wins…
A giant middle finger to Schwab.
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I’m not suggesting that it was worth the money and agony of the campaign but tonight Hanrahan is NOT saying we’ll all be rooned.
What if many of the “No” voters did so because they they had been made aware of the problems [OK, I’ll be kind and say “more” aware] and realise that something must be done, just not this way. Only those of us living in the hundreds of “frontier” towns have understood this before today.
Hopefully many more will now be aware and demand more of the politicians who talk the talk but don’t walk the walk.
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“YES” seems to mean more division and bureaucratic wastage.
“NO” means the plight of remote communities and impoverished people generally, will continue on as before.
Both options sound like a failure to understand our fundamental problems.
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My wife commented that we now have the ability to read our DNA and even edit it but why would you bother unless there was really good objective reasoning. Our Constitution is similar. There is so much we can improve without tampering with The Constitution.
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Voice Results Are In – Rejected
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Its a bitch when there are no preference vote deals and gerrymandered electorates to swing the result…plus NZ got rid of Aderns mob – a double victory for common sense – Just like the “sorry” days we wait in vain for an apology for all the abuse and lies thrown our way and an acceptance of our decision…
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Opposition Leader Peter Dutton says unsuccessful referendum is good for Australia
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Jacinta Nampijinpa Price speaks as Voice referendum fails to pass
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Kim Sorry wrong red . .
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I would love to see Albaneses head roll or better still resign !!
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Y’all do know that your government is simply going to start enacting the legislation that a Yes vote would have enabled, right? All those pols just KNOW that they know better than you.
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Yes, but, and thankfully, the tide is changing.
I don’t know much about New Zealand politics but it seems that something interesting happened there over the weekend.
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Thanks Jo.
Small ping.
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