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    Glenn

    We should all go out and buy candles…I think we are going to need them down the track a bit.

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    Annie

    Good morning!
    Actually, not really; our local dictator is seeking untramelled powers in this state.
    It was 1C here earlier, with ice on the car and roof.

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      Dennis

      As summer approaches here on the NSW Mid North Coast I am still using blankets on my bed overnight and most evenings I have the reverse cycle air conditioning on the heating cycle.

      I only stopped using the wood heater a couple of weeks ago, and have used more firewood this year than last year when I used more than I did in 2019.

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      RightOverLabour

      Seems to be a huge increase in dictators recently. Herr Jacinda seems to like a Herrenvolk/ Untermensch type of society. Dictators need to look at Mussolini to find out how these things often end…..

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        James Murphy

        Given the number of useless, corrupt, or outright destructive leaders who get away with it, then the worst that will happen to people like Dan and Jacinda will be a nice pension, and a fortune made on the public speaking circuit, directorships of companies with large government contracts, a couple of honorary PhDs, and maybe a trashy ghost-written biography.

        If they even consider it at all, these people don’t fear repercussions because they know the chances are very high that there will be none.

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        beowulf

        One thing the COVID era has done is to expose all of the political scum that has risen to the top of the pot. Dan, Anastasia, Gladys, Morrison, Jacinda et al.

        Jacinda smiles about creating a 2-tier society with her vaccine certificates, but she goes even further, revealing that “it occurred to her they can have other uses than simply drive vaccination.”

        Look out NZ.

        https://reclaimthenet.org/nz-pm-jacinda-ardern-admits-vaccine-passports-will-create-two-tier-society/

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          OriginalSteve

          Ah yes….covid is the excuse, not the end game.

          It was always thier end game, she is just doing what she has been told to do.

          We have a technocracy in many respects – a method of government based on ( made up nonsense ) “science”.

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            Serp

            I don’t expect anybody other than David Maddison to understand that a more correct terminology would be mateotechnocracy.

            We’re being led by so much spurious science it’s beyond me to catalogue all of it.

            Here in Victoria where the Royal Childrens Hospital routinely prepares children for sex change treatment which Putin characterizes as a crime against humanity the government has declared there to be no natural resources and in case you don’t believe it prohibited extraction from forests and underground hydrocarbon deposits.

            We simmering frogs are beginning to feel uncomfortable.

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    Graeme No.3

    At the risk of boring people I have just posted this comment in The Australian and hope it survives censorship.
    My suggestion is not to fight Net Zero but to adopt the EU approach.

    “I suggest that we adopt the EU policy of Green Certificates (called Indulgences originally in a great money making scheme) to offset ‘carbon’ emissions.
    Since 90% of carbon dioxide emissions occur in the Northern Hemisphere but the level in the atmosphere is the same world-wide, it is obvious that lots ‘northern emissions’ are being ‘sunk’ down south. We in Australia should issue Green Certificates based on our land & sea areas, and invite Brazil, Peru, Chile, Argentina and South Africa to join the scheme.
    We could then off-set all our emissions and become Net Zero virtually overnight.
    Any excess Certificates could be sold overseas, although I suggest that ScoMo donate a wad of them to Boris (if he is still around next year). “

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      TdeF

      Sure, but we could argue that Australia has the lowest CO2 emissions per km2 in the world with only 2% of the world’s CO2 output and we have 1/3 of the planet to ourselves.

      98% of all CO2 comes from outside Australia so we are Climate Victims.
      And we are not even allowed burn our own coal or make our own metals because of the Northern Hemisphere Carbon Police.

      And we should also demand billions in compensation from the UN for the damage they are doing to our Great Barrier Reef.

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        Graeme No.3

        TdeF:
        You won’t get any money from the EU**, it’s supposed to be a one way flow. This is a way of reducing criticism by using the same methods they do. We continue to burn coal (and gas) without the need for carbon taxes, quotas, subsidies for part time renewables, hydrogen costs etc. until such time as better methods e.g. nuclear are ready to go.

        **nor those countries ignoring the emission nonsense

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          TdeF

          It’s the UN demanding $200Billion a year to ‘fix’ Climate Change. We should demand 33% of that or $66.6 Billion to fix Climate Change here. For that cash we would not export coal. Simple deal. And we could build a few nuclear plants.

          And I still want to know what Lucy and Malcolm did with that unexpected $444million to ‘save’ the Great Barrier Reef when no one had even asked for the money or said what was to be done with it or why, then or since. Maybe photos of happy fish would help? Or pretty corals? That is the biggest legalized robbery in Australian history.

          Climate Change is all about the cash. If Mugabe can put his hand out, so can we.

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            TdeF
            October 26, 2021 at 9:48 am · .

            And I still want to know what Lucy and Malcolm did with that unexpected $444million to ‘save’ the Great Barrier Reef when no one had even asked for the money or said what was to be done with it or why,

            Considering what has happened to NSW state Premiers and MPs over such trivia as a bottle of wine or a $5m grant for a recreational facility in Wagga,…the motivation and authorisation of that $444m seems to have been ignored .?

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              TdeF

              The bottle of wine was interesting. I mean who gives a bottle of Grange Hermitage, keeps the receipt, files the thank you card and presents it at a criminal inquiry? It was not only a complete setup, it was a warning that other evidence was in the filing cabinet. If there was not any more than failure to declare a bottle of wine, it would have been simply explained as an oversight. If you accept one present, you have accepted others.

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            Dennis

            Like the leaders of island nation governments in the Pacific region urging the Australian Government to sign for net zero emissions by 2050 to save the islands that research has proven time and time again are not in danger of being underwater any time in the foreseeable future, some are in fact increasing in area.

            Please send A$ to save them from climate change.

            Please ask them to explain what evidence they have.

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              Richard+C+(NZ)

              Dennis >”…islands that research has proven time and time again are not in danger of being underwater any time in the foreseeable future”

              You just don’t get it. Here’s Kamala Harris to explain it to you in respect to Lake Mead:

              “..the length, of the height of the recession of water, it, it’s, is longer than the height of the Statute of Liberty”

              I hope this helps.

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              TdeF

              We could also argue that in the Water Hemisphere there is only 6% dry land. Australia. That is because there is a 3.5km high block of water parked over Antarctica. So 94% of the Water Hemisphere is a carbon sink. And only has 2% of the world’s CO2 output located in the middle of the world’s biggest ocean.
              Why should we not collect Carbon Taxes from everyone else?

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        Chris

        TdeF and Graeme3 , these are excellent comments. Not only creative thinking but a positive and determined attitude to boot. It’s about time we stopped apologising for living and took on the dictators in the north. Does the CSIRO discuss Australia’s role as a carbon sink with the PM ? If not – then they should ring him today .

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      el+gordo

      Indulgences is very apt, fits in very nicely with millenarian madness.

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      tonyb

      Are those Northern carbon emissions offset by the amount you import that are made or grown in those countries? Are you self sufficient in food, drink, wood, steel, cars, Nuclear submarines, and a very long list of etcs? Have you factored in exporting bush wildfire emissions and exporting coal?

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      Raven

      Malcolm Roberts re Net Zero:

      So if the Nationals were apparently in “brutal negotiations” with the Liberals “winning concessions for the bush” all the way up to Sunday night, would anyone like to explain to me how the big glossy book about the plan is already printed and ready to go by Tuesday morning?

      https://twitter.com/MRobertsQLD/status/1452852259159740419

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        yarpos

        Because the glossy booklet is likely full of non specfic, genralised government speak waffle about lofty but fuzzy goals, without a hint of any basic plan to get there.

        So any turf war discussions about who gets what pork are inherently included.

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    Graeme No.3

    What happened?
    Annie’s comment and mine have disappeared.
    Has Do Pi Dan got early control?

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      Graeme No.3

      And Bingo it returns!

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        el+gordo

        Its been happening for months, seems to be a problem at HQ.

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          Hanrahan

          I have suggested to Jo that she have a fundraiser to pay for a major overhaul of the software. It must be old spaghetti code by now.

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            Ted1

            Not so old in my belief.

            It used to be slow for me (with Apple gear) until about a year? ago. I thought Jo did a major upgrade and now for me it runs faster and more reliable than anything else.

            The + invading spaces is a new trick. I don’t recall any other problems.

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              Serp

              As I never tire of pointing out following the speed upgrade the site lost functionality of Recent Comments link which used to show the user name and initial words of the thirty most recent comments across all current pages; it was particularly galling since this was the link I was in the habit of sending when recommending the site.

              [Try logging off and back on again, Recent comments is still there but I’ve never seen it store that many comments.]AD

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              tonyb

              Yes, we had a lot of problems a year or so ago but it has been fine since

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            Mal

            What do you call fake spaghetti?
            An impasta

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          Tel

          It’s a cache.

          Adding comments to the thread takes time and consumes CPU effort so it shows you a slightly older version of the page in order to let you keep going.

          Don’t worry … your comment is in the pipeline, you can go read elsewhere for a while and then come back and see if anyone has replied.

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      clarence.t

      Just refresh your browser window.

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    clarence.t

    Anyone know who said these words.?

    “The receptivity of the masses is very limited, their intelligence is small, but their power of forgetting is enormous.

    “The great masses of the people will more easily fall to a great lie than to a small.

    “By the skillful and sustained use of propaganda one can make people see heaven as hell or an extremely wretched life as paradise”

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    Graeme No.3
    October 26, 2021 at 8:57 am · ….. We in Australia should issue Green Certificates based on our land & sea areas, and invite Brazil, Peru, Chile, Argentina and South Africa to join the scheme.
    We could then off-set all our emissions and become Net Zero virtually overnight.

    G3..
    Nice thought, but a few snags..
    And this relates to a discussion with B Burrows from yesterday re Net Zero definition and accounting..
    I pointed out to Bill ( and now for your benefit) that the IPCC CO2 accounting definition is specific that the only “Carbon Sinks” that can offset the Antropogenic emissions are the man made or managed CO2 sinks…..Planted forestry, CCS, farm cropping, etc
    …so teritorial waters, Native Forrests, etc are not eligible !
    If it were that easy, we would already be carbon negative !

    From Bill Burrows…25/10..
    …Your point is reasonable but relates more to the initial Kyoto Protocol stance than to the Paris Agreement. Nevertheless it will be feverishly supported by green activists and agenda driven zealots, as they see the danger that ‘managed land’ poses to their dream of eliminating all fossil fuels from the world’s energy systems.

    …And the IPCC will also enforce that view

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      Bill+Burrows

      Chad – thanks for your additional comments to my replies of October 25, 2021 at 5:11 pm · Reply + October 25, 2021 at 3:35 pm to your initial remarks on my contribution to the Post cited in these links (to ‘Australia is the Greatest Carbon Patsy —-‘).

      What appears to have drawn your attention is the fact that I have pointed out that Australia has adopted the position that “for the Paris Agreement all net carbon dioxide equivalent (CO2-e) emissions from ALL lands (in Australia) will be accounted for – without restriction – using the independent monitoring systems of the national inventory. (So) through the national inventory there is complete coverage of the land sector in the Government’s target acquittal” [See: https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/House/Environment_and_Energy/ClimateBills2020/Submissions Submission #588, p.13].

      You suggest that any flux recorded in these lands cannot be included in our NGGI and PA accounts because this huge landscape area is not identified or congruent with IPCC guidelines. I challenged this and pointed you to the following link: https://doi.org/10.1186/s13021-018-0095-3 . Could I suggest that you peruse this paper carefully and note that (for the PA) it clearly shows how the ‘managed land’ concept has now replaced (become a proxy for) the anthropogenic definitions associated with the Kyoto Protocol (First Commitment Period accounting). Hence:

      “Governments are not required to mention this concept (of their managed land base – BB) in their national communication to the UNFCCC unless they have delineated a portion of the country as unmanaged, although application of the managed land proxy should be discussed based on IPCC Guidance [https://cbmjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13021-018-0095-3#ref-CR9, https://cbmjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13021-018-0095-3#ref-CR18 ]. Regardless, all governments using the later guidance from the IPCC are implicitly using the managed land proxy, and many of these governments may consider their entire territory as managed land. (And) Defining managed land:

      Among the governments providing information about application of the managed land proxy to subdivide forest land, grassland and wetlands into managed and unmanaged land, several have classified managed land simply by considering some land uses as managed and others as unmanaged. For example, Australia and Belarus consider all forest land, grasslands and wetlands as managed, while land in the ‘other land’ category (e.g., rock outcrops, glaciers, barren areas) is considered unmanaged.”

      [PS – I have just been diverted by Scotty from Marketing selling his ‘Net Zero 2050 Plan’ on TV News. No doubt more detail will come out as we all see the hard copy. But what I did note that there was frequent mention of “offsets” as being part of the package. And the area of our landscape contributing since the KP 1997 has grown considerably. Believe me (or not) but it will grow considerably more as 2050 approaches and assuming the world maintains the current net zero dream.]

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        Bill,.. OK i will work my way through your references,..
        …. and i am sure (and hope !) there will be much “manipulating” of the detail of “managed lands” etc for the Net’0’ accounting process.
        However, the “simplified” concept of Australia being a net CO2 sink based on emissions vs “total” sink capacity of land mass, fauna, territorial waters , etc …will not be accepted by the IPCC
        Personally, i think if the CO2 theory has not been thoroughly debunked before 2050, then inteligent society is lost anyway !

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    Sorry for the screwed up formating above. ,!

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    Geoffrey+Williams

    Just out walking and met an elderly (like myself) couple who used to live in Canada. We said chatted, (I have met them before) and then the subject of climate change came up. Well they were both right into it. All due to the industrial revolution etc etc. In reply I made it clear what my view was on the climate, then they waffled on about the world temps gone up and the ocean temps going up and whatever else including ocean rise in the Pacific displacing millions of Islanders ‘from their homes’ not to mention ocean acidification! I asked them to explain how 4 molecules in 10,000 in the atmosphere could have such an effect and pointed out that a warming ocean must surely release co2 into the atmosphere and not visa versa. I gave them the annalagy of the chilled bottle of soad water and they could not quite answer that. They refered to world temps going up 2 deg C and when I challenged that they said ‘oh that’s in Canada, other parts of the world are 1 deg’. I should have been quicker and responed that this was probably because Canada has a left wing green society. Anyway by now I had had enough so I moved on along a different path.
    I relate this story because it explains I believe the magnitude of the problem that people like myself are up against. For some people nothing will convince them that catastrophic man made climate change isn’t happening. They sre waiting on Cop26 in Glasgow with bated breath !
    GeoffW

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      GW,… if you have ever tried having a reasoned discussion with a JW door knocker, or other Religeous fanatic,…you will know that it is a fruitless exercise.
      Somewhere in the brain is a chemical “switch” that triggers a lock out of any alternative views.
      There is nothing to be gained by attempting to “convert” AGW believers since there is nothing they , or anyone, can do to alter the end result.

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        Ronin

        Good point.

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        Kneel

        “…JW door knocker…”

        You: Turning to someone inside the house “The Dark Lord has provided our sacrifice for the evening” Turn to JW “Come in, friend, come in!”

        They’ll never come back 🙂

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        Raven

        I have a story about JW’s.

        Ages ago I came out to my parked car and found a headlight protector broken and a note on the windscreen.
        The note explained the damage and included his phone number. I called and he offered to pay for a pair of new headlight protectors. A couple of days later I messaged him with the receipt. We met up and he handed over the cash. I was slightly flabbergasted.

        It turns out his son was driving their car and had reversed into mine. The father said he wanted to set an example for his son that doing the right thing was important!
        It was only at that meeting that he explained they were JW’s and invited me to visit their web site.

        So, there ya go.
        Still makes more sense that the average believer argument, though.

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      I imagine there are lots of issues where a lot of other people have beliefs that are different from yours (and mine). This will always be true but by itself it is not a problem. Wherever two or more are gathered together there will be disagreement.

      It is only a problem if it gets out of hand which so far has not happened and I see little prospect of its doing so. I take comfort in the fact that what the greens want cannot be done.

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        John+R+Smith

        True, but they’re doing a pretty good job of laying waste to the Western World tryin’.

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        Raving

        What astonishes me is to see China run out of coal and maybe electric generation capacity

        Combine that with China’s declining growth rate (see below) makes for a telling future

        https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/22/opinion/china-bubble-economy.html?searchResultPosition=2

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          RickWill

          I am confident that AUKUS is the result of the shared concern the anglosphere has for China’s resource requirements. Australia can only hope that China continues to be happy to make stuff from Australia’s high value dirt AND paying high prices for it rather than just taking it.

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            OriginalSteve

            I suspect the high value listening stations on the north west coast and pine gap will provide some level of protection for Oz.

            Although as it appears Sleepy is owned by Beijing, you couldnt really be sure…

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        another ian

        ” Wherever two or more are gathered together there will be disagreement.”

        Not necessarily –

        “If two people get along and never argue only one of them is thinking” – as Baxter Black put it. I guess “two or more” works too

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      PeterS

      That is correct. More and more people are falling for the CAGW scam. I see more people talking up electric cars, bans on fossil fuel mining, increase reliance on renewables and batteries, etc.. It’s inevitable given the barrage of misinformation being blasted over the MSM, social media, schools, Universities, big businesses and parliament houses all throughout the West. How could we armed with the facts compete with such groups who have massive power and influence? Of course we can’t. We just have to let things cave in and let the people learn their lesson the hard way. Of course we shouldn’t stop trying but we must realise it always has been a huge up hill battle, and it’s getting worse not better. Although PM Morrison has repeatedly commented that we will not be told how to meet climate change targets, he is doing more than just that; he is still saying we are beating those targets. He speaks with forked tongue.

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        Dennis

        I have emailed questions to many publications containing articles about EV to explain the reason for needing to transition away from ICEV burning fossil fuels efficiently and emissions controlled to low levels in favour of EV recharging from the electricity grid here with over 70 per cent of electricity generated by coal fired power stations, very little from wind and solar or even hydro, and the rest from gas and diesel fuels.

        They never respond.

        Like the cost of operation based on electrify price alone but no calculation of replacement batteries or road usage charges pending to recover fuel excise revenue lost as ICEV fleet gets smaller, if that happened.

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      RickWill

      Oceans have warmed because the water cycle is slowing down as the warmest sunshine moves slowly north. It started that journey 400 years ago and will continue for another 12,000. Oceans have been undergoing a gradual reduction in energy for 400 years.

      There are two easily verifiable facts.
      (a) Ocean surface is coldest when the sunlight is at its maximum in January. Oceans surface is warmest when the ocean sunlight is its lowest in July.
      (b) The river run-off from land, as a result of transfer from ocean to land, is in gradual decline. Every climate model is predicting that global river run-off will increase.

      There is real climate change that will result in more Antarctic Ice and colder boreal winters. But boreal summers are getting warmer.

      On the other hand, China has coal reserves for 37 years at current rate of use. China’s current oil reserves equate to two years current consumption. China has 24 years of gas reserves at current consumption. It is plausible that they will add to reserves but the prospect of China and India using fossils next century looks unlikely. It would be nice to think that there are economic alternatives by 2050 otherwise there will be serious conflicts over reserves. (My thought why AUKUS now exists)

      Current global uranium reserves will meet Chinese energy needs for a decade or two. Thorium and fusion are unproven prospects.

      So making CO2 the devil has a silver lining because it gets a lot of minds thinking up ways of conserving existing fossil fuel resources by working on alternatives. Right path but for the wrong reason.

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        farmerbraun

        ” the water cycle is slowing down as the warmest sunshine moves slowly north. It started that journey 400 years ago and will continue for another 12,000.”
        Rick , could you expand on that a bit for me.; what phenomenon are you referring to?
        Precession of equinox?

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          RickWill

          Yes – precession. Perihelion moves later by about 15 days every 1000 years. Perihelion last occurred before the austral summer solstice in 1585. It has now reached early January. In 12,000 years perihelion will occur on the boreal summer solstice. That is when the northern oceans will have maximum sunlight in this cycle.

          In 2020, the ice-free oceans had 398W/sq.m of sunlight over them. In July 2020 is was only 333W/sq.m. The actual net power flux into oceans and atmosphere above averaged 47W/sq.m over ice-free oceans in January. Land always loses energy because of the water evaporating from oceans condensing over land. So heat into the oceans evaporates water and about 10% ends up on land; that small fraction was 10E12 tonnes in January. Annual water transfer from oceans to land via the atmosphere averages around 350mm/year over the entire land area but December and January dominate. There are some very wet places near the tropics like the Amazon and PNG.

          So January is now the peak sunlight month and July the lowest by a long margin. In 12,000 years, January will be down to 377W/sq.m while July will lift to 351W/sq.m. There are five factors; the distribution of water over the globe, the tilt of the axis, the precession cycle, the eccentricity of the orbit and the change in axis tilt. These are real climate factors having real impact – some noticeable in the recorded trends.

          Before the Panama Isthmus formed, glaciation was only associated with the precession cycle but the balance is now more delicate since the North Atlantic is no longer linked to the Pacific and eccentricity is also significant in going into and out of glaciation. We are in a glaciation phase now but it is a delicate balance. The northern summers are warmer meaning more water is transferred to northern land masses while the northern winters are getting colder meaning more snow falls.

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        RobB

        There’s enough uranium for thousands of years, just depends on whether you want to use breeder reactors or not.

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          RickWill

          If there is nothing in commercial operation now then it will not be in widespread use in 30 years.

          I expect that alternatives to fossil fuels will need to be a reality this century. The only two that I consider viable now are hydropower and managed forests. Nuclear in its current commercial form gives a decade or two at China’s rate of energy use.

          A lot of energy is expended keeping humans warm. Insulation, thermal storage and better use of direct solar for heating and cooling could conserve fossil fuel use.

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            robert rosicka

            We have hundreds of years worth of coal reserves , that’s more than long enough to wait for the next big thing in reliable 24/7 power generation , and if it takes longer we have more uranium than you seem to know about .
            Warrego mine in the Tanamai Desert had to dig through it to get to the rich copper ore underneath . We have more than enough natural resources to keep us going for hundreds of years .

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              RickWill

              We have hundreds of years worth of coal reserves

              Who is “we”. Certainly not inclusive of China. China and India will get to the end of this century by commandeering all the coal in Australia and USA.

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    yarpos

    Michael Luenig has been fired from his gig at The Age for daring to do a cartoon that dated to highlight the extent of the vax dictatorship.

    https://www.news.com.au/national/the-age-cartoonist-michael-leunig-falls-victim-to-cancel-crowd/video/b07efca95467f5a5033e420d245204e2

    At least The Age isnt trying to pretend its anything but Andrews propaganda department these days.

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      Chris

      I usually find Luenig boring, however this was an excellent cartoon, rapier sharp and to the point. Luenig left on a high note and his cartoon will not be forgotten.

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      robert rosicka

      There was another one today from another cartoonist which was a syringe bridging a gap over a ravine with a person on one side and the word “Job” on the other along with a fish hook piercing money and dangling it near the sign .

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      Tel

      Given that The Age is in a death spiral it makes a lot of sense for Luenig to jump ship in a way that launches him into the best possible publicity.

      Good on him.

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      Harves

      Leunig failed to learn that you can criticise any conservative government or politician, but if you go after Chairman Dan, you are toast.
      Je Suis Leunig anyone?

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    So,.. Australia’s “Net 0co2 by 2050” plan is…….
    .. No change in targets etc for 2030 ..
    ..and wait for “New Technologies”. to be developed (SMRs, Hydogen, CCS , etc, ??) to carry us home to 2050 and Net’0’.. !
    And of course everyone involved in these decisions will be well out of the scene before then ! ( retired, died, voted out, gone Corporate, etc)
    So what is the problem ?
    …..snooze time ….!

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    Lance

    In 90 day blocks, Diktater Dan will have unlimited powers if this passes:

    “Dan Andrews could be given unprecedented power to shut down Victoria at will during a pandemic under sweeping proposed laws. Revised State of Emergency legislation would strip out independent health advice from the decision-making process during pandemics. And instead, the new laws would hand all control over to politicians without the need for doctors to sign off the public health orders.”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10128199/Dan-Andrews-given-new-powers-enforce-pandemic.html

    Ah, yes, the Little People. They’ll get what Dan allows them to have….

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        robert rosicka

        I believe the power allows him to stop elections if he feels the polls are against him .

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          Greg in NZ

          Chicktator Jacinda must’ve inspired him: under her ‘He Pua Pua’ Trojan horse plan, not only kontrol of our water services is handed to a minority Maori elite clique, our health services get handed to them too because:

          Fairness! Equality! Treaty! Internationale! Dictatorship! or F.E.T.I.D. Rotten to the core.

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      Sambar

      Ah Lance, unlimited powers and absolutely no reason or logic needs to be explained. A little like health dept advise that must be kept secret from the public in case they find out the advise is at best flawed and at worst, deliberately obfuscated .

      A little scenario that I cannot see any logic in at all.
      At the end of November my grand daughter is finally ( hopefully ) stepping out at her schools debutante ball.
      1/ The school requires every attendee to be double vaccinated, including debs and partners. These same debs and partners attend school and DO NOT need to be double vacinated to attend school
      2/ My wife and I will not be allowed to attend as we are not vaccinated.
      3/ All attendees will be rquired to prove vacs status by checking in via QR or whatever method that is chosen.

      Now my dilemma is:– If people check in to prove vacs status and for contact tracing if required, why can’t unvaccinated people check in for the purposes of contact tracing.
      Why are unvaccinated people completely ostracised from certain venues when, for exactly the same reasons vaccinated people still have to sign or QR code in?
      The reasons for tracing people have not changed. This lacks any common sense or logic. I can only draw the conclusion that the government will force 100% vaccination without fail.

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        Lance

        Go ahead and check in. Tell them you Identify as Double Vaccinated. That ought do it.

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          RickWill

          Why not change your name to Double Vaccinated. It costs $112 to register a new name and get a certificate.

          You can actually just inform people you know that you now go by the name Double Vaccinated. It becomes your name by reputation.

          So the answer to the question – Are you Double Vaccinated? Sure am! How did you know that?

          When signing in just sign in as Double Vaccinated.

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        Ted1

        The QR code at the door will deny admission to the phone. Untouched by human hands.

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        Here in Sydney, I am waiting for December the 1st as I too have not been vaccinated by any of these experimental emergency approved drugs. On that day, assuming the New Stasi Woke (NSW) Government keeps its promise, I will be able to go into establishments (Pubs, etc) and attend many events without having to disclose my vaccination status. I also do not currently have a working mobile phone device so I usually walk into an establishment and manually sign in. Where there is no manual sign in facility, then I just walk in anyway.

        I will continue to rely on my Gold Standard “top notch” Immune System which continues to hold me in good stead at the age of 68 years (going on 69 years in November). I have not had a Cold for a while and the last time I had the Flu was 1972. As all of this BS is driving to drink more and more alcohol, I do get a hangover every now and then…………Bahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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        farmerbraun

        Go as someone else who is vacinated ; take their phone with you .

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      Tel

      This cannot end well.

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    Ronin

    I wonder if the eco loons have given any consideration to their CO2 lowering antics causing a major extinction caused by the cold, after all it’s not just we humans living on the planet.

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    Lance

    “First time in History that the Ineffectiveness of a medicine is being blamed on those who haven’t taken it”

    https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1452702584863662085

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      OldOzzie

      Vaccine passports could fuel spread of Covid, says leaked government report

      Covid certification could be ‘counterintuitive and potentially counter-productive’, impact assessment warns

      A leaked government document suggests vaccine passports could possibly be counter-productive and fuel the spread of Covid-19, it has been reported.

      The government’s impact assessment, seen by the Telegraph, suggests the passports could be “counterintuitive and potentially counter-productive” as they may push people from larger venues into poorly-ventilated pubs.

      The newspaper also quoted the impact assessment as saying the policy would slash turnover for organisers of large events.

      It estimated one month of Covid certification, which Boris Johnson has said could be rolled out as part of his “Plan B” if cases continue to rise, could see profits of venues where they would be required drop between £345 million and £2.067 billion.

      More than 5,700 extra stewards would also be needed in stadiums with a capacity for 10,000 people or more to certify proof of vaccination, it said. The document raised doubts that large stadiums would be able to hire sufficient staff to manage the vaccine checks.

      The internal analysis, compiled by the Department of Digital, Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS), found a core concern in the sector is that certification could displace activity away from large, well-ventilated venues and into “unstructured and poorly ventilated pubs instead.”

      “There is potential displacement between live events venues and hospitality venues,” the Telegraph quoted the document as saying.

      “A core concern in the sector is that certification could displace activity and business away from music venues to, say, pubs with music and late alcohol licenses, etc. which could be counterintuitive and potentially counter-productive.

      “Similarly, if certification displaces some fans from structured and well-ventilated sports stadia this could lead to them attending unstructured and poorly ventilated pubs instead, where they will have access to more alcohol than if they were in the stadia.

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    Serge Wright

    Is this a sign that COP26 has flopped ?
    https://www.afr.com/policy/energy-and-climate/climate-talks-could-fail-boris-johnson-warns-20211026-p5932h

    If yes, what does this mean for Scomo?. He can’t back away now he has committed, else he runs into negative credibility.

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      RickWill

      If yes, what does this mean for Scomo?

      Nothing. Australia will take a net-zero “plan” to Glasgow and an outstanding record of achievement to previous objectives. I did not see any promises to donate Australia’s wealth to the UN for redistribution.

      The LNP will not inhibit Australian businesses to supply resources of any form to global customers. But will be helping business to demonstrate $2/kg hydrogen and $15/MWh daytime solar. They may be in fantasy world with these objective but that is the “plan”.

      If Biden makes offers to fund UN ambitions for the global climate fund then that will deflate the USD and could mark the beginning of the end for it as the world currency. Inflation is already apparent in energy prices as USA and Europe strangle their internal sources.

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      Dennis

      The Royal Family will be even more bewildered.

      What will the simple folk do?

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    Brenda Spence

    For those needing a source of antiviral medication, FLCCC has a list.

    https://covid19criticalcare.com/pharmacies/

    One can see international suppliers. I haven’t used one yet, waiting for my debit card to arrive because I’m a bit reluctant to use a credit card. Paypal is good but not everyone uses it.

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    Philip

    Its quite black pilling when you speak to farmers who are pro climate change. I buy meat directly from one and he delivered today and he was telling me there’s good money in carbon credits and a large grazing property around here already earns half a million a year already, for doing nothing! Big numbers, hard to argue against, and you find yourself in a sea of frustration that these people cant see the woods for the trees.

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      Bill+Burrows

      Phillip – Your large landholder mate doesn’t know what is around the corner in terms of remote auditing of Carbon Estimation Areas and Australian Carbon Credit Unit claims. In effect these latter ACCUs have to be in place for a minimum of 25 years (preferably 100+ of course) e.g. if you have a fire which burns your above ground sink to the ground and for which you have already received offset payments you have to replace the lost sink at your cost.

      Just as significantly spectral scanners on satellite platforms (e.g. GOSAT, OCO-2, TanSat) are ‘looking’ at the landscape on a daily basis. For example OCO-2 has a footprint that covers c.290 ha and a 16-day revisit cycle. The collected data is subject to transport modelling and inversion procedures to derive CO2-e fluxes over the targeted land. It has been found that where satellite measurements are spatially filtered to include only data recorded near surface calibration sites (about 30 worldwide at present) the resultant fluxes are found to converge to those based on surface measurements alone. It is very likely that the above sampling footprint will become even smaller with future developments in satellite technology and processing power.

      For governments making claims of sinks (offsets for Net Zero?) and landholders selling ACCUs on ‘long term’ contracts – caveat emptor! Big Brother is here and will be watching.

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      RexAlan

      Short term gain long term pain comes to mind.

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    RickWill

    Australia’s net zero plan hinges on $2/kg hydrogen and $15/MWh solar (I figure the latter is lunchtime basis)

    No new taxes but incentives for industry. Twiggy should expect a big handout for his big solar plant.

    It is clear that ScoMo believes the electorate has moved on as evidenced by the broad acceptance of rooftop soiar. He is going to try to bring along any doubters by guaranteeing Australia will continue to supply customer demands for energy and feedstocks. It appears Angus Taylor is pushing the customer line so he is not going to undermine the resource industry while there is demand for resources.

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    David Maddison

    This is a ***must see*** video about Pfizer and how they manipulate national governments.

    If the Australian Government’s behaviour seems irrational with respect to vaccination mandates etc. (the ones we supposedly don’t have) all will be understood after this.

    https://youtu.be/nYIJxoh7gqw

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    OriginalSteve

    Norway , yawns, puts Covid to bed….

    https://fox2now.com/news/national/why-norway-has-reclassified-covid-and-returned-to-normal-everyday-life/

    “OSLO, Norway – Last week, the Norwegian government announced a return to “normal everyday life” and removed all domestic COVID-19 restrictions. In short, the country has enough of a handle on COVID that the nation’s health officials have put it on par with influenza and respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) for the upcoming winter months.
    ………
    “In an interview with a Norwegian media outlet, Geir Bukholm, the assistant director of the NIPH, said COVID-19 has joined the ranks of other respiratory diseases. In the same interview, Bukholm plainly states the pandemic is not over but that Norway has such good vaccine coverage that it has reduced hospitalizations and strain on the nation’s health care system.

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      David Maddison

      Back to normal with just 74% double dosed with the “vaccination”.

      It must be wonderful to live in a country where the politicians and medical bureaucracy have a clue.

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        RickWill

        Back to normal with just 74% double dosed with the “vaccination”.

        74% is not been good enough in any location other than where there has been a high death toll.

        In fact Norway has 78% of the population vaccinated. They have had 4% of the population actually infected so probably just over 80% with some level of immunity. And cases are increasing slightly over the last week to now 564 dialy cases. Cases ana deaths are not alarming – certainly no worse than the “flu”. Norwegians are making their own decisions about mobility and it remains 19% down on pre-Covid level. That compares with 20% down across Australia

        To put Norway’s level of vaccination into perspective, Australia now has 73% of the population fully vaccinated. ACT leads the way followed by NSW then Victoria. But as a country, quite a way behind Norway and less than 1% of the population have actually contracted Covid so essentially zero natural immunity – the clear message – GET VACCINATED.

        One point often not appreciated when comparing vaccinations rates is that there are children in the population. Some countries have not vaccinated children younger than 16yo while some have gone as low as 12yo and looking to go down to 5yo. So there needs to be considerably more than 80% of the adult population vaccinated to get the level across the entire population over 80%.

        At current vaccination levels in WA, Perth will become a Covid basket case if it gets into that community. I can see why the Premier aims to keep WA isolated until the middle of next year.

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          OriginalSteve

          “less than 1% of the population have actually contracted Covid so essentially zero natural immunity – the clear message – GET VACCINATED.”

          Can you 100% prove that those who didnt get the disease was due to the vaccine?

          Other factors come into health – nutition, not being near an infectious person, ventilation, level of immune function, whether the person may already have natural immunity, vitamin D levels etc etc.

          “At current vaccination levels in WA, Perth will become a Covid basket case if it gets into that community. I can see why the Premier aims to keep WA isolated until the middle of next year.”

          Disagree – see above.

          When all you have is hammer, everything looks like a nail.

          There appears to be a lot of politics tied up in the covid thing, I notice the left leaning state premiers are the harshest.

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    Geoffrey+Williams

    I think Scott Morrison has done ok.
    He has left Australia with enough wriggle room for future maneuvers.
    GeoffW

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      Dennis

      Like a pioneer period commercial aircraft pilot telling his passengers that they must jump out before the aircraft crashes.

      And then explaining that in the future technology will probably invent a parachute.

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    David Maddison

    Victoriastan Dictator Daniel Andrews will today pass into law Australia’s first legal dictatorship, no doubt to please his Chi-comm masters.

    https://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/new-move-could-gift-andrews-unprecedented-power/news-story/6a2c4f47fa36232c96ae3eb5396e9db8

    New move could gift Premier Daniel Andrews unprecedented power

    Opposition Leader Matthew Guy has urged all parties to “oppose” controversial state of emergency legislation, blasting the Andrews government as “drunk on power”.

    Shannon Deery, Sarah Booth and Mitch Clarke

    8 min read

    October 26, 2021 – 11:51AM

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      It may get through the lower house, but the Upper house wont be so easy !

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        David Maddison

        Let’s hope not.

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          John+R+Smith

          Isn’t the real issue that such is being proposed in the first place?
          The house is on fire, and ya’ll are lying in bed discussing the situation.

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        redress

        Actually the upper house wont be so easy.

        There are 12 cross benchers.

        Adem Somyurek – labor, but has just spilt the beans on branch stacking so could go rouge.

        Libertarian MPs David Limbrick and Tim Quilty and Liberal Party MP Neil Angus, have been banned from entering parliament on Oct. 15 until the second sitting day in 2022, for refusing to state their vaccination status, so cannot vote.

        That leaves 9 votes that the govt needs.

        3 – Fiona Pattern, so called Reason party, Samantha Ratman, Greens and Andy Meddick, Animal Reason Party always vote with the government.

        So govt needs 6 votes to pass legislation. These are the six……

        Rodney Barton – Transport Matters Party…will go with govt.

        Jeff Bourman – Shooters and Fishers….should vote against.

        Which leaves four….. how will they vote ???????

        Tania Maxwell and Stuart Grimley – Derryn Hinch’s Justice Party
        Catherine Cumming – Independent
        Clifford Hayes – Sustainable Australia Party

        All have in the past voted with Daniel Andrews……

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          RobB

          “Libertarian MPs David Limbrick and Tim Quilty and Liberal Party MP Neil Angus, have been banned from entering parliament on Oct. 15 until the second sitting day in 2022, for refusing to state their vaccination status, so cannot vote.”

          Is that banning even legal??

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            redress

            Is that banning even legal??

            Possibly not given that his ban on unvaccinated in retail stores has been knocked on the head…. I believe because private citizens/companies cant ask for your private health details.

            https://twitter.com/i/status/1452917072694939652

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              redress

              Is that banning even legal??

              People who can’t access your record
              The primary purpose of your My Health Record is to support your healthcare.

              No-one is permitted to access, or ask you to disclose, any information within your My Health Record for insurance or employment purposes.

              Information from your My Health Record cannot be released to law enforcement or a government agency without your consent or a court order.

              Your health data also cannot be sold or used for commercial purposes.

              It is a criminal offence for someone to access your record for a purpose other than providing you with healthcare and there are serious penalties.

              https://www.myhealthrecord.gov.au/for-you-your-family/howtos/who-can-access-your-record

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          OldOzzie

          Andrews’ new pandemic diktat – The Australian Editorial

          Forcing modifications in the Legislative Council will be a test of the state’s independents. But at this stage, key crossbenchers Reason Party leader Fiona Patten, Animal Justice Party leader Andy Meddick and Greens leader Samantha Ratnam have indicated they will support the Bill. Mr Andrews has dismissed opposition criticisms as political games and said the legislation would provide increased parliamentary scrutiny and an independent committee to scrutinise government decisions. The so-called Independent Pandemic Management Advisory Committee, however, will be appointed by the Health Minister. Its functions will be to review and provide advice to government, prepare reports and make non-binding recommendations. Under that formula, a power-hungry regime cannot lose.

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      OldOzzie

      Patrick Carlyon: Victorians don’t need Dan as political father figure

      We are emerging from lockdown, apparently never to return. So why is Dan Andrews seeking to rush through laws which would give him unprecedented power?

      Premier Dan Andrews doesn’t want to be mistaken for a “soppy Dad” to Victorians, he said last week.

      He might want to avoid father figure allusions, given planned legislation to bestow a single person – Dan Andrews, as it happens – the concentrated power to lock us in our homes, ban public gatherings and close businesses.

      Under the proposed changes, the premier of the day could declare a pandemic in continuing three-month blocks. The chief health officer would lose the power to issue health orders, instead deferring to the health minister.

      The laws would replace the flawed state-of-emergency orders, the latest of which will soon run out.

      Yet the timing is peculiar. We are emerging from lockdown, apparently never to return.

      Why rush laws which fundamentally tip our most basic rights, even though we supposedly do not need them any time soon?

      If some Victorians felt comforted by protections that topped the world for extremes, others bristled with a loss of freedoms they likened to unaccountable guesswork.

      The point here is centralised power built on the personality of Andrews.

      He is ruthless, as all political leaders are off-camera, but also a leader who routinely sidelines his ministers.

      Andrews has presided in an era which redefined the assumption of freedom in this state. Victoria surrendered more liberties through lockdown than any other city or province, democratic or otherwise.

      We are raw because of it. Nervous, too, that a government could apply health advice – which it did not disclose in detail – to summarily snuff out everyday liberties.

      To seek now to streamline that power is insulting to all Victorians who suffered through petty restrictions shown to contribute nothing to the pandemic fight.

      Andrews softened his approach, certainly.

      But before he did, his hectoring adherence to curfews and playground bans, as well as his zeal for other cruel and sometimes unenforceable laws, created criminals out of ordinarily law-abiding citizens.

      Opposition Leader Matthew Guy called the plans the “most dangerous legislation to come before an Australian parliament”.

      Crossbenchers have received a panache of built-in safeguards for their political support. Under the plans, an independent committee would examine government pandemic decisions.

      Herein lies the next problem.

      Recent history tells us that independent oversight doesn’t always get a result in Victoria. A legal inquiry into the hotel quarantine bungling could identify no one who enacted a choice that condemned 768 Victorians.

      Advocates speak of greater scrutiny of decision-making processes, almost as if unaware that this very government, like most governments, has avoided scrutiny with an airy disregard for truth and transparency.

      We don’t want a political father figure. History is littered with them, and almost all of them are remembered unkindly.

      Instead, we need an enshrined system of checks and balances which protects us from any repeat of the blanketed stridency which harmed us all.

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        OrignalSteve

        Prediction : when those who appear to be professional parasites return from the latest COP meeting, they will proclaim with great earnestness that ( now that people have been trained to do covid lockdowns ), that the earth indeed is in peril and need to have climate lockdowns.

        Gates said this some time back.

        But, its for your own good…but you and your kids don’t really matter – its for the earths good.

        Then I suspect they will make meat and other eco intensive items, very expensive. I would suggest get into your steak etc and enjoy it.

        And they will create massive inflation….which curbs demand of course…for everything.

        At the core of it all is their eco-loon belief system.

        [Spelling fixed. The use of * makes words progressively harder to read. Best kept to a minimum. Attempts to circumvent filters are noted. -Jo]

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    beowulf

    How was Fauci not behind bars or at least sacked decades before COVID was invented? He’s like the untouchable J. Edgar Hoover or Hillary Clinton of the medical establishment.

    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?blog=Market-Ticker-Nad

    Killing 200,000 grannies by denying them proper life-saving drugs is OK, funding gain-of-function research with the enemy is apparently a bit OK, but torturing some puppies — that’s a stoning offence. He might finally get his comeuppance . . . maybe.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xeCYBxdDyo

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    Dennis

    2GB

    Ben Fordham has highlighted a Labor Senator’s hypocrisy ahead of the climate change summit.

    Senator Penny Wong was incredulous to learn Scott Morrison will be accompanied by 10 staff members to the United Nations Climate Change conference in Glasgow.

    “But I think Penny Wong may be having a bit of a memory blank,” Ben said.

    In 2009, Kevin Rudd attended the same conference in Copenhagen with a group of 60 people.

    “And you’ll never guess who else was there with Kevin Rudd? His Climate Change Minister Penny Wong.”

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    David Maddison

    The government and rent seekers are committing us to a hydrogen economy.

    It will make wind and solar seem sensible by comparison.

    https://phys.org/news/2006-12-hydrogen-economy-doesnt.html

    Why a hydrogen economy doesn’t make sense

    In a recent study, fuel cell expert Ulf Bossel explains that a hydrogen economy is a wasteful economy. The large amount of energy required to isolate hydrogen from natural compounds (water, natural gas, biomass), package the light gas by compression or liquefaction, transfer the energy carrier to the user, plus the energy lost when it is converted to useful electricity with fuel cells, leaves around 25% for practical use — an unacceptable value to run an economy in a sustainable future. Only niche applications like submarines and spacecraft might use hydrogen.

    “More energy is needed to isolate hydrogen from natural compounds than can ever be recovered from its use,” Bossel explains to PhysOrg.com. “Therefore, making the new chemical energy carrier form natural gas would not make sense, as it would increase the gas consumption and the emission of CO2. Instead, the dwindling fossil fuel reserves must be replaced by energy from renewable sources.”

    While scientists from around the world have been piecing together the technology, Bossel has taken a broader look at how realistic the use of hydrogen for carrying energy would be. His overall energy analysis of a hydrogen economy demonstrates that high energy losses inevitably resulting from the laws of physics mean that a hydrogen economy will never make sense.

    “The advantages of hydrogen praised by journalists (non-toxic, burns to water, abundance of hydrogen in the Universe, etc.) are misleading, because the production of hydrogen depends on the availability of energy and water, both of which are increasingly rare and may become political issues, as much as oil and natural gas are today,” says Bossel.

    “There is a lot of money in the field now,” he continues. “I think that it was a mistake to start with a ‘Presidential Initiative’ rather with a thorough analysis like this one. Huge sums of money were committed too soon, and now even good scientists prostitute themselves to obtain research money for their students or laboratories—otherwise, they risk being fired. But the laws of physics are eternal and cannot be changed with additional research, venture capital or majority votes.”

    Even though many scientists, including Bossel, predict that the technology to establish a hydrogen economy is within reach, its implementation will never make economic sense, Bossel argues.

    “In the market place, hydrogen would have to compete with its own source of energy, i.e. with (“green”) electricity from the grid,” he says. “For this reason, creating a new energy carrier is a no-win solution. We have to solve an energy problem not an energy carrier problem.”

    A wasteful process

    In his study, Bossel analyzes a variety of methods for synthesizing, storing and delivering hydrogen, since no single method has yet proven superior. To start, hydrogen is not naturally occurring, but must be synthesized.

    SEE LINK FOR REST

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      Dennis

      Water supplies becoming rarer, so back to the Howard Government period 1996-2007 and the legislation passed to control water supplies that at least two Cabinet Ministers at that time, Bronwyn Bishop and Gary Hardgrave, have commented on Sky News that they would not have voted for the legislation if they had realised what the ramifications would be in the future.

      And also consider UN Agenda 21, now Agenda 30 – Sustainability, and the UN imposed restrictions such as banning construction of new dams in UN registered National Parks converted from State Public Lands and Forests. Environmental water flows from dams well below capacity and during droughts. Water licences traded for profit. The brilliant plan to harvest “wet season” rainfall in Northern Australia and pipe it to southern destinations (Bradfield Scheme), and more.

      Renewable energy so called that after twenty something years cannot supply more than a small percentage of baseload electricity demand.

      Hydrogen the next big thing?

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      RickWill

      The government and rent seekers are committing us to a hydrogen economy.

      No – they are going to give money to companies to give making hydrogen a go. The target is $2/kg hydrogen. It is probably in the same basket as hot rocks, concentrated solar and wave power. Not quite as bad as pumped storage where serious money is being spent.

      Trying to make hydrogen at $2/kg will be good for its entrainment value. A price target is a good start. A kg of hydrogen will take a fuel cell powered passenger vehicle 100km. So $2/kg would be a very attractive proposition. 10kg of hydrogen would give a range similar to 60 litres in a diesel powered passenger vehicle.

      Hydrogen has more than 3X the specific energy of gasoline and fuel cells are about 3X more efficient than normal combustion. So of the order of 9X the range for the fuel.

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        Robber

        Rick, the problem is that the (im)possible target of $2/kg cost for hydrogen is ex plant. Bit like saying electricity cost is 5c/kWhr ex generators, or that oil/petrol price is US$60/bbl (50 Acents/litre without adding in all the storage, distribution and retail costs.

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      In his study, Bossel analyzes a variety of methods for synthesizing, storing and delivering hydrogen, since no single method has yet proven superior. To start, hydrogen is not naturally occurring, but must be synthesized…….

      Not strictly true !….
      There are naturally occurring reserves of Hydrogen gas being found in deep rock drilling..
      https://www.researchgate.net/publication/330728855_Natural_Hydrogen_Exploration_Guide

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      RickWill

      “In the market place, hydrogen would have to compete with its own source of energy, i.e. with (“green”) electricity from the grid,” he says. “For this reason, creating a new energy carrier is a no-win solution. We have to solve an energy problem not an energy carrier problem.”

      Solar energy is already low cost. The problem arises when you try to use it at night. Also sunlight is ubiquitous. In fact the poles both get the peak sunlight on Earth over a 24 hour period. The problem with solar is its unavailability at night unless you live at the poles then it is unavailable for 6 months and only useful for two months,

      Storage is the missing factor for solar. Hydrogen offers high specific energy and potentially dense storage.

      A 1kW tracking solar array in places with sunlight similar to Alice Springs will produce 2000kWh per year. Over a 20 year life it becomes 40MWh. At a current price of $1000/kW the amortised cost is $25/MWh. The net zero “plan” aims for $15/MWh. The “plan” aims to produce hydrogen at $2/kg or $50/MWh. So that would be cheap long-term storage. Current battery storage works out around $250/MWh over the battery’s cycle life and they are only good for a few months of storage life.

      I do not know how much hopium is in the $2/kg hydrogen but I do know that hydrogen offers a key benefit over solar – night time energy. If it can be produced for $2/kg then it will be low cost storage compared to batteries and pumped hydro. It is also far more versatile than other forms of storage like batteries. It is a premium fuel, albeit not that easy to handle, that has been widely used to power rockets.

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        Hanrahan

        So Rick, the concentrated solar plant, instead of melting salt made hydrogen which it then burnt, on site, to generate at night you take long term transportation and storage out of the equation.

        If this isn’t economical then widespread use can never be.

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        Peter C

        Rick,

        You mention Hopium!

        You are an expert on Solar cells and battery storage.

        Your Solar tracking Array Alice Springs produces electricity comparable to coal at $25/Mwh. The rest makes no sense to me.
        Scientific breakthroughs we have not yet thought of?

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          RickWill

          The rest makes no sense to me.

          Angus Taylor spoke with confidence about $2/kg hydrogen. I am an interested observer in the technology to achieve this. I have no idea how feasible it actually is.

          There has been an enormous amount of expenditure on R&D in Australia that has achieved very little. Think of all the attempts made by Australia to value add to WA iron ore. To make anything of the scale required by 2050 would require something near commercial production now. I do not see that so it remains hopium in my view.

          I have directed some AUD25M in 1990 dollars on mining technology that made very little in return. On the other hand I directed research of a few million dollars on technology that produced hundreds of millions in profits. Until you get your hands dirty, you have no idea what the outcome might be. Pilot scale operations usually deliver the best return or taking proven technology and adapting to new applications.

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        RickWill
        October 26, 2021 at 2:17 pm ·

        A 1kW tracking solar array in places with sunlight similar to Alice Springs will produce 2000kWh per year. Over a 20 year life it becomes 40MWh. At a current price of $1000/kW the amortised cost is $25/MWh. The net zero “plan” aims for $15/MWh. The “plan” aims to produce hydrogen at $2/kg or $50/MWh. So that would be cheap long-term storage. Current battery storage works out around $250/MWh over the battery’s cycle life and they are only good for a few months of storage life.

        Rick,…
        That $2/kg for Hydrogen appears to only be the cost of the electricity (@$15/MWh) required .
        There does not seem to be any other capital or operational costs included ?
        Also, the $2/kg, or $50/MWh represents the cost of energy in its Hydrogen form…if you want to recover that energy as electricity you have to either use Fuel cells (30% energy loss and more capital costs etc), or use it to fuel thermal generation ( even more energy loss and capital costs !)
        So that $50/MWh is likely closer to $100/MWh by the time you have it back in the grid .
        And on the battery front,
        Why would anyone want to store electricity for months, or weeks, even ?
        The issue currently is to store for hours between solar cycles and wind periods !
        Currently a Utility scale storage battery costs $1.0m /MWh capacity.
        In use it could store/ supply maybe 3 times per day (or more) = 20000 cycles Over a typical 20 yr life, implying a “storage cost” of $50/MWh ?

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          Currently a Utility scale storage battery costs $1.0m /MWh capacity.
          In use it could store/ supply maybe 3 times per day (or more) = 20000 cycles Over a typical 20 yr life, implying a “storage cost” of $50/MWh ?

          I do not know of any commercial battery system that survives 20,000 cycles and costs $1/Wh. There might be something under development but nothing in commercial operation. If it is not commercial now then it will not be featuring significantly in the next 30 years.

          As far as the time to store is concerned, there are many parts of the globe where people live that do not get much winter sunlight. Even favourable mounting of panels to track the sun will not deliver much energy on a reliable basis. My off-grid system is almost optimised for winter solar collection at 37S. It has about 80% of collection capacity unused in summer. It would be great to collect that energy in any long term store that would make it available in winter. Something around 5% overall efficiency would make a huge difference to the overall size of the system. You cannot work on averages when dealing with intermittent sources. You have to look at the actual time run data. Batteries are not much good for a 6 month storage cycle.

          Wind is very challenging as a long-term prospect. Fatigue and corrosion are key issues for the structures and wind is very low energy density.

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            Rick,..the $1.0 m/MWh ithe recent commercial quote from Tesla for Utility installs.
            They guarantee the performance for 8 yrs currently and project much longer life going forward…..bt yes,..as with althings inh RE space , the truth is unknown…..
            ……just as with Hydrogen !
            Long term storage for energy ?…..no.!…i do not see any reasonable argument for using solar in locations with poor seasonal performance.
            Even in areas like australia or Africa, its financial justification requires subsidies !
            Usually those dull areas are windy

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      William Astley

      Hydrogen is extraordinarily dangerous to handle at high pressure.

      Hydrogen is a bomb when it is liquified. The liquified hydrogen bomb constantly leaks hydrogen unless there is a dedicated large cooling system to continuously cool the liquid hydrogen.

      The hydrogen extraordinary safety problems are do to the physics of trying to compress a very small molecule that does not want to be compressed or contained.

      This is just madness, wasting money doing scam/pointless burning money ‘research’.

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    Jock

    I found the hydrogen initiative announced by George bush in 2003. He also injected billions and you can now see the results. In the 30 or so page outline if the plan it was estimated that hydrogen vehicles would be on the showroom floors by 2020. Looks like this technology is fabulous. It can disappear co2 and billions of dollars in one go.

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    Ronin

    Hydrogen turns into a liquid when it is cooled to a temperature below -252,87 °C. At -252.87°C and 1.013 bar, liquid hydrogen has a density of close to 71 kg/m 3. At this pressure, 5 kg of hydrogen can be stored in a 75-liter tank. In order to maintain liquid hydrogen at this temperature, tanks must be perfectly isolated.

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    Ronin

    So a kilo of liquid H2 is the same volume as 15 litres of petrol, so to produce it for $2 a kilo is just ludicrous, unless of course there is a major govt intervention, paid for by us the taxpayer and motorist.

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      Ronin
      October 26, 2021 at 2:17 pm · Reply
      So a kilo of liquid H2 is the same volume as 15 litres of petrol, so to produce it for $2 a kilo is just ludicrous

      Without seeing the detailed costings, …i would suggest that that $2 is just the value of the electricity (50KWh @ $0.04).
      Many other costs need to be added…not least of which is the compression/ liquifaction costs.

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    Analitik

    January 6th “insurrection” looks more and more like it was directed by undercover FBI agents

    The story of Epps and other suspiciously un-indicted apparent accomplices such as “Maroon PB” suggest a far more extensive degree of proactive federal involvement in 1/6 than even Revolver News had originally anticipated.

    And yet, tying it all back to AG Merrick Garland, it all makes sense. The 1/6 prosecutions are not the first time Garland oversaw high profile militia prosecutions from a lofty perch in the DOJ. More specifically, Merrick Garland oversaw the Oklahoma City Bombing prosecutions, which are riddled with so many disturbing unanswered questions that it would be outside the scope of this report to address them. Suffice it to say here that Merrick Garland was the top domestic extremism prosecutor for the Justice Department, who worked with the FBI on several key right-wing militia cases, right as the Justice Department was kicking its militia infiltration operations into high gear

    https://www.revolver.news/2021/10/meet-ray-epps-the-fed-protected-provocateur-who-appears-to-have-led-the-very-first-1-6-attack-on-the-u-s-capitol/

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      Peter C

      Sadly it looks as if the Jan 6th rally was infiltrated and manipulated to entrap the people who rightly were agitating against the “Stolen Election”.
      A lot of patriots were entrapped and have been imprisoned in solitary confinement since ( I don’t know if the USA has Habeas Corpus but they should because this is soviet style repression).

      Gradually their stories are coming out. I don’t know if it will end well but if it does not I am worried that a new dark age has begun. I pray that the white hats will win in the US of A>

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      John+R+Smith

      Interesting how when I was young FBI provocateurism was mostly aimed at the Left. Democrats exposed it in the Church Committee hearings of the 1970s.
      Reversed now.
      Not sure when or how.
      I think it was the Obama years. This could be his little known and paramount achievement.
      Lyndon Johnson turned African Americans to the Democrats.
      Obama may have accomplished the same with the Deep State.
      Or, hit could as simple as the they’re just “dancin’ with one what brung them,” as eloquently once put by LBJ.

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    Brenda Spence

    ABC Perth announcer Russell Woolf has died suddenly overnight. No indication of the cause.

    Sad news, only 57yrs old. Was listening early this morning and wondered where he was.

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    dinn, bob

    Pfizer leads the way for pharma companies at Biolake
    By Wang Huazhong and Zhou Lihua | China Daily USA | Updated: 2016-06-29

    In 2010 Pfizer was the first Fortune 500 company to settle in the newly established National Bio-industry Base in Wuhan, also known as Biolake.
    Following in Pfizer’s steps, eight of 13 pharmaceutical companies from the Fortune 500 list now have a presence at Biolake as the bio-industry base leads a State program to rely on innovation to upgrade the economic structure of Wuhan, which was once dominated by heavy industries and a renowned steel producer in central China.
    “Every one of Pfizer’s new drugs has indispensable contributions from the Wuhan team.” According to Lan
    “No other but our Wuhan teams manage the clinical trial registry information and clinical trial master files for all Pfizer’s medicines. https://archive.md/puanr#selection-222.0-421.71

    ………………………………………………..
    By 2015 Pfizer was moving its “medicine safety business” from India to the Wuhan Biolake facility. https://archive.md/puanr
    …………..videos on a large and dangerous issue https://balance10.blogspot.com/2021/10/

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    OldOzzie

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    Peter C

    How does The mRNA Vaccine become Widely distributed in the body?

    Dr John Campbell has written about direct intravascular injection. He has advised that the vaccine administrator should aspirate before injecting to ensure the needle tip is not in a blood vessel.

    That is good advice, but I don’t think it makes any difference. The vaccine will get into the blood stream anyhow.

    The vaccine is given into the deltoid muscle of the shoulder. Muscle is very vascular and has many tiny blood vessels (capillaries) which carry oxygen to the muscle cells and take CO2 away. Aspirating will never tell if some of the injection gets into the capillaries.

    But even if the injection goes where it is supposed to it will be into the interstitial space (between the muscle cells). In this space there are the capillaries (which are leaky) and also very thin walled vessels called lymphatics.

    The lymphatics are designed to soak up all the foreign tissue (ie the vaccine) and take it to the nearby lymph nodes, where the immune response begins.

    Hopefully the vaccine does not get past the regional lymph nodes, which in this case are in the axilla (arm pit). But if it some how is able to traverse the regional lymph nodes it flows into the thoracic duct and from there to the superior vena cava and then it is in the vascular system and goes everywhere in the body.

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      Konrad

      Peter, I have seen Dr. Campbell’s video, and while his explanation is possible and his advice on injecting technique sensible, I don’t think it is a full explanation.

      I believe you are closer to the mark. The reason is that damage from the spike protein and the mRNA materials escaping from the Deltoid muscle is evidenced more often in young males than young females. This would indicate a gender based diffence in the muscle.

      It is known that there are differences between the muscles of girls and boys. Boy’s muscles are better at dynamic loading and girl’s and better at static loading, with boys experiencing faster lactic acid build up when static loading.

      However, while their is a clear gender bias in the cardiovascular damage resulting from the jabs in children, the risk to either gender is still too great to justify the mass jabbing of anyone under 17.

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        Serp

        This is criminal behaviour and as I’ve said before they’ll soon be trying for in utero inoculation as a way to bypass the under fives who would die in droves and cause their precious program to be abandoned.

        I’ve yet to find an explanation as to why this scheme has been undertaken; suggestions welcome.

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    DD

    This video deals with some of the issues involved in transmitting solar power to distant consumers:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OpM_zKGE4o

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    Rod+McLaughlin

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/oct/24/california-storm-atmospheric-river

    “[Northern] California going, in one week, from the worst drought in recorded history to likely record breaking October rainfall – is a good reminder that climate change isn’t just about warmer temperatures, but a destabilized climate system,” Aviva Rossi, an ecologist and professor at University of San Francisco said on Twitter.

    Before, we had a stable climate system, optimized for us. But we destabilized it.

    Sometimes, this results in not enough water. Other times, it results in too much. Unlike before, it never gives us just the right amount.

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    Analitik

    40 year old Australian actress Melle Stewart (yeah, I had to look up who she was as well) suffers a stroke 2 weeks after being vaccinated with AstraZeneca and spends 4 weeks in an induced coma with part of her skull removed to relieve the pressure. Despite finding that the cause was a clot due to the vaccine, she still supports the vaccination campaigns and now has to learn to walk again.

    https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-vaccine-update-australian-actress-melle-stewart-stroke-astrazeneca-covid19-vaccination-backs-jab-exclusive/65ee9209-4a3b-4d86-89da-ac7edc9f702e

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      Ronin

      That’s what I call blind faith.

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        John+R+Smith

        Yep, religious fanaticism.
        We are in a religious wa … struggle.

        Our problem is we have too many engineers on our side.

        A Priest, a Rabbi, and an engineer are in line for the Guillotine.
        Priest ascends the platform praying, mechanism fails, Priest set free.
        Same with Rabbi.
        Engineer ascends and says “I think I see what your problem is.”

        We blather on about facts and science while religious fanatics eat or lunch.
        Offense to engineers intended. 🙂

        (It’s that ‘Intersectional’ thing. They’ve woven covid, climate, race, sex, money everything together into and emotional sales pitch. Brilliant. We talk policy and rationality like its 1967 and we are all Scotty or Mr. Spock. We need Kirk. Or Spock when he went to Vulcan to mate.)

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    OldOzzie

    Surprisingly The Age – was looking at their take and comments on Dictator Dan Andrews Psychopath pitch for lifetime Dictator of VictoriaStan

    Pandemic advisers warn against long-term exclusion of the unvaccinated

    Some of Australia’s leading pandemic advisers have questioned the Victorian government’s plan to exclude unvaccinated people from most venues and events until at least 2023, warning that it would be unethical to shut them out of society as coronavirus cases subsided.

    With Victoria set to reach its 80 per cent double-dose target this week – triggering the long-awaited return of many more freedoms for people who are fully inoculated – researchers and epidemiologists have called for a more nuanced approach to the divisive use of vaccine mandates and passports

    Infectious disease physician Sharon Lewin said she supported the government’s road map, under which Victorians will be allowed to travel across the state, density limits for the fully vaccinated will increase at hospitality venues and face mask will no longer be required to be worn outdoors once 80 per cent of those over 16 are fully vaccinated.

    But Professor Lewin, the director of the Doherty Institute, also noted that getting to 90 per cent of double doses for those aged 12 and over, which is predicted to happen about November 24, “was something that we did not expect” and excluding people in the longer term would prove divisive and difficult.

    “I think having incentives to vaccinate people is very good, and I fully support having compulsory vaccination in certain areas, but I think we’ve got to be careful about keeping unvaccinated people out for an unspecified period of time,” she said.

    Professor Lewin said the current scenario, in which more than 25 per cent of Victorians aged over 15 were still yet to be fully vaccinated, posed a risk.

    “But when you’re down at 10 per cent, the risk does reduce for everyone, so perhaps an alternative would be to prove that you’ve had a negative test over the last 48 hours. And at 90 per cent, maybe we should look at what the real impact is of having a blanket policy.”

    But he warned that once 90 per cent of eligible Australians were double-dosed – and if infections had reduced significantly – “it would be unethical at that point to keep the people who are unvaccinated out of society.

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      yarpos

      Unethical? and how has that been a problem up to this point? ethics and science following has little to do with what goes on in VIC

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      Konrad

      Sadly Professor Lewin is still pushing the propaganda that the jabs reduce rates of infection and transmission. The evidence from the high jabbing countries indicates that this is simply not true.

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      RickWill

      WA is aiming to exclude visitors until the middle of next year.

      The Victoria Covid rules will still be based on health advice that must be tabled in parliament. It would be tough to justify advice to keep unvaccinated out of society in Victoria if other states are not doing the same. All the unvaccinated people would simply holiday in other location. Some would make permanent moves. Victoria would become the vacated State rather than the vaccinated State.

      The Joker will test the unvaccinated rule in Victoria. If he gets in and plays without disclosing vaccinated status then it will be a glaring example of double standards. Everyone around him will need to be vaccinated.

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    OldOzzie

    Kennedys demand release of secret files on JFK assassination

    Two nephews of John F Kennedy have called for the release of the remaining secret documents on the 1963 assassination of the former president after the White House blocked them.

    The records were due to be made public on Tuesday (Wednesday AEDT) but the Biden administration delayed them until an interim release on December 15, with most of the material held back until at least December next year. Even then it could still be withheld. Many of the 15,000 records that remain secret are from the CIA and FBI, some of which have been released with entire pages blacked out.

    The documents were set to be declassified in 2017 but president Donald Trump postponed the release for four years despite suggesting that he would lift the veil of secrecy. Conspiracy theories abound amid doubt over the official conclusion from the Warren Commission in 1964 that the assassin Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, as did his killer Jack Ruby.

    One unanswered question that the records could reveal is the travel of Bill Harvey, a CIA officer in charge of the Rome station, who is named in theories and was said to have been in Dallas at the time. Other redactions are believed to cover CIA surveillance techniques.

    “It’s an outrage against American democracy. We’re not supposed to have secret governments within the government,” Robert F Kennedy Jr told Politico. “How the hell is it 58 years later, and what in the world could justify not releasing these documents?”

    His cousin, Patrick Kennedy, said that the records should be released because Americans had a right to know about “something that left such a scar in this nation’s soul that lost a promise of a brighter future”.

    He added: “For the good of the country, everything has to be put out there so there’s greater understanding of our history.”

    Joe Biden’s decision came as a surprise to experts because he voted as a senator for the John F Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992.

    Drawn up in response to questions raised by the 1991 Oliver Stone film JFK, the act set up an independent review to collect all government files that might have bearing and make them public.

    The act said: “All government records concerning the assassination … should be eventually disclosed to enable the public to become fully informed about the history surrounding the assassination.”

    The White House said that the act also allowed the postponement of disclosure to protect against harm to “the military defence, intelligence operations, law enforcement, or the conduct of foreign relations that is of such gravity that it outweighs the public interest”.

    Most of the records were released between 1994 and 1998, with about 10 per cent of the most sensitive classified material remaining secret.

    The White House blamed the pandemic for the delay. “The National Archives advised that their review of classified material was severely hampered by Covid-19 since classified material cannot be reviewed remotely and asked for more time,” it said in a statement.

    The White House added that the “public will have access to a tranche of previously withheld records and redacted information withheld in previously released records” and that the “Biden administration is setting up a whole-of-government effort to ensure the maximum possible disclosure of information by the end of 2022.”

    It also directed the National Archives to come up with a plan to digitise the entire collection of documents, more than 300,000 records.

    A spokesman for Mr Trump declined to comment on why he delayed the full release in 2017.

    The Times

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    Strop

    A couple of Torres Strait Islander leaders are taking the Aus Federal Govt to court to have CO2 emissions cut to prevent their islands being inundated by sea level rise.

    https://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/torres-strait-leaders-sue-federal-government-over-climate-change-20211025-p592zo.html

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    Furiously+Curious

    In their previous Jan6 article on the unindicted leader of the Oath Keepers, Michael Rhodes, Revolver showed the dilemma the FBI have. If they give him a slap on the wrist charge, that will pretty well acknowledge he is an informant, but if they hit him with what they have given his subordinates, he may turn on them. That’s a rock and a hard place, isn’t it? Might be good time for people to think about investing in life insurance?

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    Catherine

    https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/news/fda-to-debate-authorizing-pfizers-covid-vaccine-for-kids-aged-five-to-11/ar-AAPXG4v?ocid=msedgntp
    FDA to debate authorizing Pfizer’s Covid vaccine for kids aged five to 11

    Independent experts with the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) will debate whether to recommend the Pfizer Covid-19 vaccine for children aged five to 11 on Tuesday. Vaccines are currently authorized for children 12 years of age and older.

    Roughly 6.1 million children have been infected with Covid-19 in the US, according to the American Academy of Pediatrics, and 143 have died since the pandemic began, according to the CDC.

    Although children with underlying medical conditions such as asthma, diabetes and obesity made up the majority of severe Covid-19 cases, about one-third had no known health conditions, Pfizer’s application said.

    To study the safety and efficacy of vaccines in kids, Pfizer undertook a study of 2,268 children aged five to 11. A total of 1,518 children received the vaccine and 750 received a placebo. Each received two shots spaced three weeks apart, and were followed for TWO… months afterward.

    The study found Pfizer’s vaccines were about 91% effective in children, based on 16 cases of Covid-19 in the placebo group and three cases in the vaccinated group.

    Most side effects kids experienced occurred within a couple of days and included pain at the injection site, fatigue, headache, muscle pains and chills. The study did not find any cases of myocarditis, or heart inflammation, though the size of the study makes it unlikely for the condition to have presented itself.

    There is probably a link between messenger RNA vaccines, such as the vaccine developed by Pfizer, and heart inflammation, the CDC has said. The exact rate of myocarditis has not been established. It is believed to be rare, and more common in young men than other groups.

    Last week, the White House announced an education campaign targeted at parents.
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    followed for TWO (TWO !) months afterward….

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    another ian

    “Have You Seen The Guardian’s Climate Disaster? It Appears To Have Gone Missing!”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/10/26/have-you-seen-the-guardians-climate-disaster-it-appears-to-have-gone-missing/

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    Grogery

    Maybe a rude awakening for the LNP at the next election?

    I am absolutely mystified how all of a sudden the whole ridiculous climate change narrative has changed for the worse within the coalition – and really, it truly is all of a sudden. This party has absolutely deserted the conservative base that won them the last election.

    Liberal party: disgraceful!
    National party: disgraceful!

    Regardless of all the theories of why this has happened “all of a sudden”, I have one theory that may be too simple, but possibly a very big part of their change of heart:-

    The ‘gubmint have seen how our meek public can be manipulated by totalitarians such as chairman dan during the wuflu “health emergency”, and while the sheeple are in a weakened state, the authoritarians will try and use that to their political advantage.

    Regardless, the LNP have lost me. Whether it matters or not, my vote will be going to a party that promotes traditional Australian values and supports its (future) constituents – very likely a party I never would have considered not so long ago.

    I am sick and tired of these taxpayer funded mongrels that spend their time explaining to me why they are wasting our money on crap we don’t want.

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      el+gordo

      Totally agree and I won’t be voting for anyone who accepts the global warming mantra.

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      yarpos

      I think and hope both major parties are in for a wake up call. I suspect that we will have an interesting mix in parliament next time around.

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    Catherine

    https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/australians-could-soon-learn-when-they-will-get-their-third-covid-19-vaccine-here-s-what-we-know-about-those-booster-shots/ar-AAPXfX1?ocid=msedgntp
    What vaccine will I receive for a booster shot?
    The government is yet to outline a formal plan for booster shots, with the only solid information relating to severely immunocompromised people.

    Under that scheme, announced two weeks ago, some people are eligible for a third shot of an mRNA vaccine such as Pfizer or Moderna.

    AstraZeneca is only reserved for people who have had an adverse reaction to an mRNA vaccine, meaning people who received AZ as their primary vaccine will likely mix and match with another formula.

    The Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) has been considering an application from Pfizer for its existing vaccine to be used as a booster.

    Mr Hunt has suggested the AstraZeneca vaccine was unlikely to be used as a booster in the broader booster program.

    “We didn’t factor it in as a booster,” he said.

    The government has also purchased 51 million doses of the Novavax vacccine, which is yet to be finally approved.

    It may also form part of the booster program down the track, but Lieutenant General Frewen said mRNA vaccines would be relied on most.

    “We think that mRNA will be the mainstay of the booster campaign,” he said.

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    Will other compagnies still get the opportunity to bring their products on the market?

    https://valneva.com/
    Independent vaccine expert Otfried Kistner discussed Valneva’s #inactivated #COVID19 #vaccine candidate on @PULS24news, calling it a potential “great alternative” for those who want a vaccine based on a proven technology.
    Posted on Oct 22, 2021
    https://valneva.com/press-release/valneva-reports-positive-phase-3-results-for-inactivated-adjuvanted-covid-19-vaccine-candidate-vla2001/

    – ? https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/514272
    KU Leuven, Belgium vaccine candidate protects against Covid-19 and yellow fever

    https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/human-body/engeneic-potential-new-covid19-vax-for-mutant-strains-to-be-developed-in-australia/news-story/7bdd1d096b2734f27e043bc45805206a

    – …

    ===========================

    (https://sante.lefigaro.fr/article/le-vaccin-contre-la-dengue-est-dangereux-pour-certains-malades/
    —> ‘The vaccine against dengue is dangerous for some patients’)

    But a year later,… the laboratory is forced to backtrack.

    A long-term analysis…..shows that there are “performance gaps” between people already infected with the virus and those who have never contracted it. The vaccine effectively protects the former against dengue fever and the severe manifestations it can cause. In contrast, vaccinated people who have no history of dengue fever see “more severe cases of dengue”when exposed to the virus.”

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      David Maddison

      “We think that mRNA will be the mainstay of the booster campaign,” he said.

      How is it that a politician has decided that mRNA vaccines are the only way to go?

      Is this why the Australian EnGeneIC non-mRNA vaccine is not receiving government funding?

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        Vicki

        Probably to prevent Petrovsky’s vaccine – which is a conventional protein vaccine from gaining traction. It has finished clinical trials Stage 3. He is currently trying to raise money for the huge price tag (I think half a million dollars) for application of approval with the TGA.

        He is currently crowd sourcing for funding & I recommend everyone contribute. It is a complete scandal that his lab, Vaxine, has not been supported by the Australian government.

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          David Maddison

          Yes, you wouldn’t even think that the average ignorant, poorly read and poorly educated politician would even know the term mRNA or what it meant.

          The fact that he even says it is probably a sign that a Big Pharma representative or “consultant” is telling him what to think and say.

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          Fran

          I fail to see the attraction of being injected with the spike protein (suitably modified, of course) as opposed to the instructions to make the spike protein.

          Yes it is known technology. Making specific proteins derived from a pathogen is the basis of the current pertussis vaccine which is less toxic than that from whole killed organisms. The problem is that it is significantly less effective, and there have been suggestions that it is driving selection of pertussis that escapes the vaccine. This is pretty certainly the case for all of the Covid vaccines based on spike proteins. Anyway, so far the spike proteins in all of them are to provide immunity to the original Covid variant.

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    CHRIS

    I read a submission of a 15yo girl concerning AGW. This girl has been totally brainwashed by the woke Education Departments and their lackeys (ie: teachers). It is obvious that, in schools, there is a complete bias in favor of CC (and I wonder if school students know what AGW means).

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      PeterS

      Not just in schools. It’s everywhere. More and more people are rejecting free thought when it disagrees with their point of view. Some of us who believe in free thought and liberty are becoming the minority if not already. As the trend continues, we will be labelled as the terrorists and possibly even rounded up and put in “re-training camps”. Sad to think that people fought and died in wars to defend our rights to free speech and liberty yet now we are facing a very similar war in our own country. What’s so revealing is all our politicians don’t give a damn and many of them are actually on the other side who desire to rip away what remaining freedoms we have. To me at least they are as bad as being evil. That includes people like PM Morrison as well as all the state premiers.

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        David Maddison

        Never try to discourage thinking, for you are sure to succeed.

        Bertrand Russell

        The Left know that, hence their war against science, reason and Enlightenment values in general. (I don’t generally agree with Russell’s poltical views but he is correct on this.)

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    Broadie

    Grid Iron official dies of heart attack

    Read the comments.

    The funniest one was nothing to do with ‘Clot Shots’. The reply to this comment tells me there is still hope for ‘We the People’.

    I am 100% certain that ALL of the officials working that game will die after the game,. as will all of the fans in attendance and all of the players too.

    And the reply!

    If a game goes into sudden-death it’s gonna be a massacre.

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      PeterS

      If only there were many more of them throughout the West. We have none here in Australia, apart from a couple or so special cases, which very few even know they exist let alone bother to listen to them.

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      Ronin

      I don’t envy him, having to deal with a brain dead president and those UN muppets.

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    Kalm Keith

    What’s the difference between Daniel Andrews and Mark McGowan.
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    Four thousand miles.

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      PeterS

      There are currently 13 vaccines in clinical trials in Australia. Two of them are of the viral vector type;
      Tetherex Pharmaceuticals Corporation SC-Ad6-1 (no-replicating)
      EnGeneIC COVID-19-EDV (no-replicating)
      If I had to take a COVID-19 vaccine I would rather take the protein subunit types, of which several are undergoing trial here, including Novavax. My intention though is still to take none at all, not until after more extensive trials, which might take years.

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        Vicki

        Peter, agree that even protein vaccines have no longitudinal efficacy re safety. However, it it is far safer than the gene therapies for all the reasons that have been canvassed on this blog over the last year.

        For me, Prof Petrovsky’s vax is a real contender if he can get TGA approval now that Stage 3 trial results are so good. He needs support from Aussies so he can at least put it out there.

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          PeterS

          Just need a year to two to find out how good and safe it and the other contenders are. I’m prepared to wait that long if not longer.

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    David Maddison

    Just when you think Australia can’t POSSIBLY get any more stupid.

    https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/chris-kenny/victoria-bike-trail-delayed-by-gender-impact-assessment/video/e913a50bbac8a408796c6fb48b4aeee9

    A mountain bike trail to be constructed in Victoria is being delayed with “plenty of hurdles,” including a “gender impact assessment,” according to Sky News host Chris Kenny.

    “The project is just building some bike paths through some bush,” Mr Kenny said.

    “A gender impact assessment, for bike trails.

    “I wonder how many genders they will need to study; I wonder if we have yet reached peak stupid in this country.”

    Mr Kenny discussed the issue with the IPA’s Dr Bella d’Abrera.

    “I was bewildered by the connection between bike trails and gender,” she said.

    “This one actually did surprise me.”

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      David Maddison

      Don’t worry, those temperatures that don’t fit the anthropogenic global warming narrative will soon be “corrected” by Australia’s Bureau of Meterology and then it will be warming again.

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        Graeme#4

        This is my concern David. Even if Australia’s temps fall by up to two degrees C, this change may not be noticed, because the BOM has been very busy over the last few years adjusting temp records upwards 1-2 degrees.

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    another ian

    “Safe And Effective ®”

    “I have a question.

    It’s about the upcoming approval (which is both inevitable and predetermined) of Covid-19 vaccines for children under 12.

    My question is specifically addressed to our governing MLA’s, Cabinet, and health officials, along with the yapping jackals in opposition.

    Should it come to pass – say in a five years time – that there’s a spike in leukemia, rare cancers, autoimmune disease or other long term side effects in these children that no one could have foreseen (because no one did long term trials) — what’s the game plan?

    I mean, surely there’s a game plan?”

    More at

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2021/10/26/safe-and-effective-16/

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      David Maddison

      Politicians and public serpents simply don’t care and unless their actions are specifically illegal, they are never legally liable for them.

      There is also a high degree of psychopathy among politicians and senior public serpents which helps in their cruel decisions.

      In five years they’ll simply say “we were following the best available advice”. And the advisors will claim they only gave qualified advice or deny they gave it at all.

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        Serp

        Yeah, like those four thousand extra ICU beds Mikakos fronted for in April last year –it never happened right? By election time next year we’ll have never been locked down if the premier remains true to his guiding mendacity.

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    David Maddison

    It’s difficult to believe that there is not a single person in or associated with the Australian Government (such as the numerous highly overpaid “consultants”) who has a clue about the destructive nature of the PM’s obsessive commitment to unreliable, expensive intermittent energy, and now “green” hydrogen.

    There really is no hope for Australia.

    However, never let anyone say “we didn’t know”.

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      PeterS

      I have to agree. It’s as though both major parties are hell bent on destroying our economy. Either they are really bad leaders who are completely clueless or acting as agents of a foreign country to take over this country. In either case that makes them politically null and void. If common sense and decency were to prevail, the GG ought to dismiss the lot of them and force another round of state and federal elections. Of course you, I and a few others here know there is no common sense and decency any longer.

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      Ross

      It’s like COVID – all the decision makers have “no skin in the game”. They are largely not affected by their decisions. Especially with Net Zero with all the targets decades away. Scotty will be retired on his considerable politician’s pension.

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    Ronin

    Some foreign sounding git from the UN is predicting ‘ temperatures might reach 2.7 deg higher by 2050,’, really, 2.7, not 2.6 or 2.8, they haven’t predicted anything correctly yet, so why would we believe they can get this right.

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      OldOzzie

      When BOM here in OZ, can’t get the weather forecast correct for the day ahead, how can anyone predict Temp by 2050?

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      Serp

      If only. That’d be something to look forward to, temperatures such as obtained during the Minoan and Roman warmings.

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    another ian

    “Progressive Craziness Of The Day: SEC Obsesses Over “Climate” Risk Disclosures”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/10/26/sec-obsesses-over-climate-risk-disclosures/

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    David Maddison

    In the operating manual of the Left, there is Doublethink. All documented in Orwell’s Nineteen Eighty Four.

    From Wikipedia:

    Doublethink is a process of indoctrination whereby the subject is expected to simultaneously accept two mutually contradictory beliefs as correct, often in contravention to one’s own memories or sense of reality.

    I think this is an example:

    This is in the Daily Telegraph 26/10/2021.

    “Energy Minister Angus Taylor says power bills could be a fraction of their current price under the federal government’s new net zero emissions plan for 2050.

    Under the new plan, using solar energy to power your home could cost as little as $15 per megawatt hour according to Mr Taylor.

    The average cost of electricity generation from solar currently sits at around $62 per megawatt hour, according to BloombergNEF research.

    This is already much cheaper than gas, which clocks in at an average of $108 per megawatt hour.

    But Mr Taylor said the government’s new net zero target would widen this price gap even further. ”

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    David Maddison

    If anthropogenic global warming were true and the world wasn’t actually cooling as it may well be, no proponent of unreliable and expensive energy production has ever explained what is bad about a warmer world.

    All life forms seek heat, not cold.

    Human civilisation has thrived during natural warm periods such as the Minoan, Egyptian, Roman and Medieval war periods.

    There has always been famine, disease and war during cold periods.

    The Chinese have traditionally suffered very badly during periods of global cooling which is one reason they don’t want to do anything about curtailing CO2 (assuming it causedcwarming which is a false assumption), plus, they are not stupid.

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    another ian

    “A THOUGHT FOR TODAY:

    Whenever ‘A’ attempts by law to impose his moral standards upon ‘B’, ‘A’ is most likely a scoundrel.

    H.L. Mencken, writer, editor, and critic (12 Sep 1880-1956”

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    Analitik

    Interesting (as always) analysis by Chris Martenson at Peak Prosperity, this time on the efficacy (or rather the lack thereof) of the CoViD vaccines

    At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days. In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people.

    https://www.peakprosperity.com/no-discernable-relationship-between-vaccines-and-cases/

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    Analitik

    China is so worried about CoViD outbreaks that they are vaccinating kids as young as 3!

    Multiple places across China are rolling out vaccines to children aged between three and 11, according to reports in local media. The shots, developed by homegrown drugmakers Sinovac Biotech Ltd and state-owned Sinopharm, have already been administered to those aged 12 and above, with the country green-lighting their use in those aged over three in June.

    So it’s not just the west that is following The Science rather than science. And this should put to bed the thoughts that the release of the virus was deliberate. The kneejerk reaction shows that it was due to a monumental ClusterF__k at the WIV, although there is zero doubt that the CCP used the WHO to make sure the virus spread far and wide beyond its borders.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-10-26/china-giving-covid-shots-to-three-year-olds-as-outbreak-persists?sref=i4qXzk6d

    h/t ZeroHedge

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    New+Chum

    Senator Malcolm Roberts in Senate Estimates asked about disposal of solar panels at end of life.
    https://www.malcolmrobertsqld.com.au/no-plan-to-remove-toxic-solar-panels/

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      Graeme#4

      Many commentators say that the solar panel glass, comprising around 90% of the panel, can be recycled, but that’s not really true. This is because the most common glass in use is float glass, and solar panel glass cannot be recycled as float glass because of the high level of impurities in solar panel glass.

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    another ian

    It didn’t go away!

    “”Lionell Griffith

    October 12, 2017 at 5:59 am · Reply

    Rules for prophets:

    1. If enough people guess enough things often enough, someone will be right sometime.

    2. All you have to do to have a perfect record is to have everyone forget the times your guesses were wrong.

    3. Always be ready to move rapidly from wherever you are when your target audience gets restless and starts mentioning the times you were wrong and asks for evidence to back up your claims.”

    https://joannenova.com.au/2017/10/carbon-pollution-rises-and-the-world-gets-less-windy/#comment-1953435

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