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Very interesting.
It also seems plausible from an evolutionary point of view because individuals who have the genetic machinery favouring free speech, if they are a majority, are more likely to survive living in a free and happy and society and thus be more likely to propagate their genes unlike those individuals living under a dictatorship where most people do not have the genetic machinery in favour of free speech or cannot be free or happy.
Unfortunately as the Left take over the Western world (except the US where there is pushback due to TRUMP) there is a transition underway from relative freedom to authoritarianism and dictatorship which will likely cause a diminution of the numbers of individuals carrying genes supportive of free speech and encourage the propagation of genes of people who are subservient to authority and opposed to freedom and free thought. Leftism itself with an extensive welfare state where it is often preferable for capable people to not work rather than work also encourages this. They can propagate their genes at leisure while others work hard to pay taxes to pay for such parasitic behaviour.
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DM,
Aged 83 and looking back, the biggest social change I have seen is the growth of the number of people paid to tell others what they can and cannot do. The cooperative, sharing society has morphed towards a dictatorial command structure.
Politics is no longer the art of compromise, since politicians now legislate what they want, not what the majority of voters want (ref Voice Referendum).
The wealth of the nation, long tied to productivity, is now going downhill with fewer productive jobs and more dictatorial jobs concerned with diversity equity and inclusion, which erodes productivity.
The government ought to do something about it.(Sarc).
Geoff S
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I think this article is tosh-
The NYT is used as an authority as is Freud who is one the Great Frauds.
What is built-in to human thought is compliance.
This is shown by the behavior of the entire range of medics during the Wuhu scare. It is not surprising given the investment medics have put into training education and licensing. I’d like to see this idea tested by research into compliance v. costs and risks of licensing.
In my years of work life I have seen this especially in the public sector where there is, or was, above average job security, nevertheless, people keep quiet when the hierarchy put over ideology as policy.
So yes the medical profession is at fault, but so is anyone who has something to lose.
There is no gene for ‘free speech’, but the will to survive is built-in to the human genetic code.
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Report 2 – Economic analysis of including nuclear power in the NEM – Frontier Economics =
From the Report – NEM is the National Energy Market –
“We do not, at this stage, present any results for the prices as this will depend on how the cost of
new capacity will be treated in the future. The current NEM price setting mechanism is no longer
fit for purpose irrespective of the whether Australia’s energy future is with or without nuclear
power. The NEM pricing design no longer serves the purposes it was designed to achieve. In
particular, NEM prices no longer drives generation investment decisions in the way it was
designed to. In practice, governments have supplanted the role of NEM spot prices in deciding
new generation investments and generator exits. If governments make uneconomic decisions
then taxpayers and/or consumers are forced to pay the costs. Independent/merchant investors
don’t have taxpayers and consumers to underwrite uneconomic investments like government
can and so this class of investor has, more or less, abandoned the NEM. This desertion of
merchant investors then means that government will always have to underwrite, in some form or
another, new generation investment.
For the moment, the current spot pricing arrangements still send valuable signals to generators
and storages as to when to supply the market or absorb excess supply day-to-day. However,
alternative pricing arrangements can achieve the same outcome and, at the same time, almost
immediately lower prices for all customers.
Due to its dysfunction, it is inevitable that the current NEM pricing mechanism will be reformed in
the near future – or at least ought to be reformed – so it makes little sense attempting to forecast
prices for the next 25 years at this stage. For the purposes of this report it is sufficient to consider
the relative economic costs of the proposals to determine, directionally, choice of power system
configuration. As we noted in Report 1, in a well-functioning and well-regulated electricity market,
prices should reflect the cost to supply electricity. It is expected that a lower cost, competitive
power system will deliver a lower price than a more costly power system.”
https://assets.nationbuilder.com/nfa/pages/3738/attachments/original/1734050640/1._Report_2_-_Nuclear_power_analysis_-_Final_-_STC.pdf?1734050640
This is a very good Report and makes a good case for going Nuclear IMHO.
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And more from the Summary of the Report –
“Many commentators simply and erroneously compared the cost of a renewable generator (wind
or solar) plus the costs of back-up generation to the capacity and operating costs of a nuclear
power station. Such a crude assessment is an incorrect and misleading basis of comparison
because it does not account for the fact that much more renewable capacity is required to
produce the same amount of electricity compared to a nuclear power station. Nor does it
account for the requirement to store surplus electricity from renewable sources as well as the
back-up generation. Such simple comparisons also neglect to take into account the enormous
amount of investment required to connect renewable generators located in areas where there is
presently no or inadequate transmission network capacity. There is also an enormous cost to
rural and regional Australians who have to bear a disproportionate burden of the energy
transition – first with the loss of jobs in the coal generation sector and now they have to bear the
loss of amenity from living with wind and solar farms in their community and extensive new and
augmented transmission networks across their land. Consideration of these externalities is
beyond the scope of this report but they deserve to be considered as this loss of amenity is a
legitimate economic cost.”
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This is great stuff!
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The costings have been universally confirmed, construction should begin immediately!.
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If I want to get a job done, I cost it by standard moves like going to the hardware stores to see the shelf prices.
We want to buy nuclear reactors, why not get quotes from the sellers? Why does it have to go political with estimates and favoured contractors? Why do political advisers say Australian nuclear will take twice as long to get going as France did in the 80s? Why raise again the used fuel storage matter when it is not a problem for countries already nuclear? Geoff S
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Mysterious drones are appearing all over the US and also US military bases in the UK
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14192619/fears-mystery-drones-nj-reporter-residents-shooting.html
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Iran’s New, Massive Tender Ship for Drones Left Port in November. Where Is It Now?
Of course, trusting Iran to stay in their own backyard is about as smart as sitting down for drinks with Lucrezia Borgia.
Just speculation, mind you, but this Iranian drone tender, we should note, while it superficially resembles an aircraft carrier in satellite photos, is still just a converted cargo ship.
It is almost certainly nowhere near the level of sophistication of an American nuclear-powered supercarrier.
But it doesn’t have to be; this kind of ship has the advantage of being cheap, and it would be surprising if the Iranians intend to stop at just one such ship.
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They are not Iranian.
‘In addition to New Jersey, New York and California, drones have been sighted over two Royal Air Force bases in England as well as Australia, China, Russia, and in parts of Europe, Coulthart said. Yet, Coulthart insists U.S. officials know more than they are letting on.
“Unfortunately, the government here cannot give us answers,” he said. “They seem to be unable to provide a simple explanation to what these objects are. And people are starting to get concerned.” (News Nation)
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Talking of drones.
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3290461/chinese-laser-scientist-crazy-li-arms-small-drones-metal-cutting-beam?module=top_story&pgtype=homepage
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‘Incoming US president Donald Trump has called for unmanned aerial vehicles to be shot down amid growing public demand for an investigation into the sightings.
‘A New Jersey TV producer who saw one of the flying objects said it was the size of a school bus.’ (ABC)
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The normally sane and sober Dutch are increasingly preparing emergency packs in case of war
https://nltimes.nl/2024/12/13/dutch-preparing-emergency-packs-nato-chief-rutte-warns-war-readiness
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Donald has given NATO the nod to put troops on the ground in Ukraine. I know the Baltic states are keen to participate.
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evidence please.
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Its a peace keeping force, NATO is a defensive organisation.
https://kyivindependent.com/trump-proposes-european-troop-deployment-to-monitor-ukraine-ceasefire-wsj/
Somehow I think Putin would rather North Koreans instead of Europeans to monitor a cease fire.
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Kyiv independent optimism?
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Would many OZ commentators agree with this as people say Australia has become very expensive?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14188005/Australia-housing-rent-market-hindsight.html
None of this helped by the explosive growth in immigration and housebuilding unable to keep up with the numbers wanting a home to buy or rent.
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It’s absolutely insane that Australia is importing people far faster than housing can be built to accommodate them. Apart from that, also importing some of the world’s most violent, uneducated and anti-Western people with absolutely no intent to assimilate or work.
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“They can propagate their genes at leisure while others work hard to pay taxes to pay for such parasitic behaviour.”
” Apart from that, also importing some of the world’s most violent, uneducated and anti-Western people with absolutely no intent to assimilate or work.”
Well, there’s the future of Aussie, the average White middle-class couple will vanish, along with the culture of ‘what makes an Australian’..
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All of the ills that plague Australia are due to governmental embuggerance.
From housing to electricity and gas, all engineered by them.
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Nice word.
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It’s not by accident, it is all planned.
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Britain is doing the same despite the fact that no British government has ever had an electoral mandate for pursuing a policy of mass immigration.
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Public sector housing has been run down for decades and Albo pledges one million homes over five years.
‘While the merits of this pledge are debatable given since 2017 there have consistently been at least 1m homes built in 5 years periods, what is clear is that to truly tackle housing affordability public housing needs to play a greater role.’ (Greg Jericho)
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For a forecast of where Australia is headed, just look at the UK, which is a little further down the road to the promised land – a green, harmonious and culturally diverse utopia.
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I can get a fresh pineapple with its top on at Lidl UK for 99p. https://www.historicmysteries.com/history/pineapple-status-symbol/25302/ – seems to be around $5-6 in Coles / Woolies.
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But the Coles pineapple is grown in Australia?
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? you think things should be similar prices everywhere?
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“Four fatal flaws”
I’ve been trying for some time to develop a pithy way to demonstrate why the warmists’ message is unacceptably wrong, and at last have found a set of ideas which might work.
This is my non-exhaustive set of flaws, each of which I consider to be fatal to the reliability of the output of the IPCC climate models.
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F1 Inadequate coverage of water’s role in heat transfer in the atmosphere, especially of clouds.
F2 No modelling of ocean currents.
F3 No proof provided of basic claim that CO2 causes warming, and no attempt to refute valid challenges.
F4 No consideration of the cycles of ice ages ( Milankovitch cycles).
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I’ve opted to not include links here, but regular visitors to this site will undoubtedly recall evidence supporting the above. To acknowledge all, even most, would be lengthy. I also decided to only go for a small number for ease of memorising some big ones.
The numbers above are for identification, not a prioritisation.
Hope this proves useful.
Cheers
Dave B
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Well I have been looking for 20 years for proof of F3.
It seems to come from Arrhenius claim that CO2 affected the climate and was challenged by Planck, Einstein and others that molecular collisions would transfer heat energy to non-absorbing molecules (like Oxygen & Nitrogen). In any case Arrhenius still claimed (in 1911) that the Earth would be 3℃ warmer by 2100 which doesn’t seem to have come true.
I think that the belief is that temperatures have increased since 1855 as has the CO2 concentration so it MUST BE Proof.
The IPCC also avoids any connection with geothermal variation. The late Peter Carson was of this idea (and his Doctoral work involved measuring “Greenhouse” potentials of all gases).
And re geological Ice Ages which appear about every 130 million years possibly as the solar system transits through arms of the Milky Way galaxy.
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I wonder if your ideas will work. Consider
“Witch trials in the early modern period”
Search for this on Wikipedia {it is a long post} and note similarities to the modern anti-“carbon” {aka Carbon Dioxide} activities. I can’t do the comparison justice in a short comment. The reasoning and justification in killing Carbon Dioxide and “witches” is not something I can figure out.
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John, thus verily it is written in some ancient book – edited over and over again for political / monarchical / nationalistic benefit:
Thou shalt not suffer a carbon to live!
As we all know from children’s picture books, witches boiled-up their cauldrons atop wood fires, releasing heat and, thenceforth, carbon [dioxide]. They also were accompanied by black cats, often called Sooty.
Perhaps the recent appearance of these UFO / UAP ‘drones’ is the climactic revenge of the witches, their tortured souls riding broomsticks toward a final showdown – or it’s a Disney promo for their latest ‘wicked’ rainbow red-shoe nonsense.
/s
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Evening J H,
My thought is that we could use the words “fatal flaw” like drones in warfare – pick a suitable target and send them in. Work out a couple against net zero as well to send towards BOB…
Or,
One fatal flaw in the Plibersek banning of the gold mine near Orange was that she picked the wrong mob as representing the local group.
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There is a single fact that matters above all others as Twain philosophises – beliefs, once established, cannot be dislodged by evidence or expert testimony:
It is impossible to change a zealots mind. So facts really do not matter beyond being factual, supported by evidence.
Some facts-
CO2 induced climate change is a hoax perpetuated by the UN and other globalists. The majority of US citizens now recognise that and voted overwhelmingly for President Trump who is a rare individual with the moral fortitude and personal confidence to call it out rather than going along with it.
A lot of people’s income now depends on the hoax being perpetuated. The hoax has been successful in separating money from unwitting chumps to those who foster the hoax for a long time now.
Anyone unconvinced by the now obvious hoax can delve into the evidence.
Climate has always changed and always will. No climate model can recreate the natural cycles of glaciation.
All climate models show ocean warm pools sustaining more than 30C (except the Russian model). That is physically impossible with the present atmospheric mass.
All climate models show warming trend in the Nino34 region – the observed trend over the last 50 years is slight cooling.
All climate models show reducing snowfall. There is a strong upward trend in snowfall as seen by new records being set somewhere every year. Greenland has increasing trend in permanent ice coverage.
All climate models show a warming trend in the Southern Ocean. It has been cooling throughout the satellite era from 1980 to present day..
All climate models predict acceleration in sea level. There is none.
The present warming over the northern hemisphere has been due to more surface sunlight rather than any reduction in outgoing long wave radiation contrary to predictions based on CO2 fairy tale.
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Thanks Rick, I often save screenshots of your commentary as it’s succinct and explains some of life’s mysteries in a way no govt-funded lab coat-wearing expert twerp can.
Have just been having an email ping-pong match with my brother who is a believer in all things UN, ie. the planet is frying and glaciers are melting. This delusion may be a result of his lifelong career working inside climate-controlled offices tending computers – whereas I’m more of an outdoors guy (surf, snow, driving, signwriting).
For every BBC sob-story about disappearing snow or glaciers, I’d counter with Rutgers Snow Lab data since 1967 showing an upward trend in NH winter snow; for an ABC fear-story about next week’s one-day heatwave (caused by a huge pool of cold air under Aus pushing desert air eastwards) I’d reply with the forecast for SNOW on BOTH main islands of NZ on Saturday 21 Dec, summer solstice. Thankfully I’ll be in NSW next week so will miss out on the cold snap.
As you say, it’s like banging your head against a brick [carbon?] wall: crusted-on belief will not allow ‘non-approved’ observations to even tickle a spark of inquisitiveness. Spending Christmas Day with him & family sure is going to be a ‘barrel of monkeys’. 😃
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My 7 siblings and partners occasionally sound me out on technical issues. Most have asked for my thoughts on Climate Change™ and I told them long ago it was a scam. They all nodded in agreement indicating they thought it was all nonsense. My starting point with them was to throw the question back and ask what climate change they have experienced. That usually got a blank stare; a moments thought and then reply nothing they could think of..
My own boys are not quite as easy to convince. One reads my stuff and passes it on – he was in the top 2000 in Australia in his year of matriculation and was good at maths – he is a physiotherapist. The other reads it and takes most of it in but still sitting on the fence – he is a physician. The other did a PhD in science but his partner is a true believer so I do not challenge him with my thoughts on the topic.
I find people who have lived in the Canberra bubble hard to convince. They figuratively stick their fingers in their ears and sing so they will not be influenced by the heresy.
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David, The reasons for the flaws are that the people who are fiddling with models have no qualifications and experience in the technologies they are trying to model.
F1 heat and mass transfer (including evaporation and condensation) is an engineering subject
F2 Fluid dynamics is an engineering subject
F3 thermodynamics and heat transfer are engineering subjects as are combustion, reaction kinetics, psychrometry, instruments, control etc
F4 Geology, pattern recognition, mathematics, electrical and magnetic fields etc all come into engineering.
No scientist is equipped to make an assessment of climate in different locations, or climate changes over time. Do you understand dimensional analyses? Do you know about the dimensionless numbers such as Reynolds Re, Prandtl Pr, Nusselt Nu etc which are used for estimations heat transfer?
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Thanks,
You seem to be agreeing that the four flaws I’ve enunciated are valid.
Then, am I knowledgeable in your nominated specialities? No, I am not. But if they’re applied to the climate models would they remove the basic flaw you’re challenging? If so, which one(s)?
Also, if those special subjects were necessary the modellers should have accessed those specialists at the system design stage. But could those specialties be adequately defined to be useful in the context of climate forecasting? Of cloud performance world wide on an hourly basis for example?
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David, I studied chemical Engineering and have experience in heat transfer.
F1: about 70% of the worlds surface is water in oceans, lakes and rivers. Radiation (UV, light, and infrared, -wavelengths in the range of 0.5 to 5.0 microns) from the sun are absorbed by water. Evaporation (mass transfer) occurs through temperature and pressure differences plus air movement. No gas in the atmosphere has any effect on heat or mass transfer at the surface.
F2: This mentions ocean currents https://gisgeography.com/ocean-currents-map/. There are measurements about ocean currents. However, I have yet to see anything how and why the currents are contained. It maybe due to magnetic fields.
F3: The 2nd law of thermodynamics (heat only flows from hot to cold) together with the lapse rate (colder & lower pressure the higher one is from the surface) has been ignored. Also, there is considerable measured information that temperature leads CO2 change (2-3hrs in one day), monthly, seasonally, over 30 years and then even at 800years in 100,000years.
F4: there is geological evidence of warm and cold periods with CO2 of upto 10,000 ppm have zero effect. The moon has an effect on tides. Planet alignment has been shown to have an effect on the sun and its radiation. The tilt of the Earth has an effect so does magnetic fields with movement of the magnetic poles.
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For centuries, observant scientists from Aristotle to Descartes have harboured a suspicion that — contrary to all conventional wisdom — hot water can somehow freeze faster than cold water.
Since 1963 the matter has been dubbed the Mpemba Effect as a nod to the Tanzanian school student Erasto B. Mpemba whose ice cream making exploits seemed to show that hot water does reach a freezing point faster than cold water.
If water’s heat transfer abilities between liquid and solid state can’t be conclusively determined down here on earth then heaven only knows what goes on up there in the clouds.
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No proof of the foundational claim that the CO2 increase is from fossil fuel.
We can directly measure the amount of fossil fuel CO2 in the air at 2.0%. Which is just what it was in 1958 as measured by Graham Fergusson and published in the Royal Society Journal, before they went woke.
No one thought too much of it at the time. Until Al Gore and James Hansen decided, without any proof, that all the increase was from fossil fuel.
It’s not true. End of story.
Nor can anyone prove that humans can change CO2 at all, that it is not in constant rapid equilibrium and so slightly warmer oceans would increase CO2 as being as simple as the flat beer effect.
So much very elementary science has just been ignored. The principle of Descartes’ Rational Science is that each step has to be proven. And as the CO2 is all natural and not from emissions, why all the windmills and solar panels? We cannot change CO2 if we tried. It is a constant within 1% from the North Pole to the South Pole. And no one much lives in the bottom 40% (except say 2% including Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and Argentina/Chili, the Falkland islands.)
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VIDEO:
Very good interview of Sean Carroll by Lex Fridman talking about general relativity, quantum mechanics, black holes and aliens.
https://youtu.be/tdv7r2JSokI
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FWIW
“I’ll Miss The Great Ocean Garbage Patch”
https://youtu.be/IglBJ62Sv3Q
https://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2024/12/14/ill-miss-the-great-ocean-garbage-patch/
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Dennis,… where did you quote that from ??
…because it is wrong !
Net Zero only considers the CO2 emmisions and removal attributed to human activity, not ALL emissions from all sources,.. or all sinks !
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I think it is like the zero in the ‘zero COVID’ policy we saw – they use a different definition of zero. I can’t find this new definition yet though.
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The year 1905 was called Einstein’s miracle year, Annus mirabilis. The papers he published ere the basis of modern physics, all short and to the point, were as follows (from Wikipedia):
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He actually did all this without access to a complete scientific library or access to other scientists and on his own time when he was working a day job for the Swiss patent office. So much for the need for Government funding…
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” So much for the need for Government funding…”
Ah, but Govt funding discovers what the Govt wants to find , that’s the important part! …and Govt scientists say what the Govt wants them to say, you don’t want these mavericks ruining a beautiful house of cards with their disruptive ideas!
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“He actually did all this without access to a complete scientific library or access to other scientists and on his own time when he was working a day job for the Swiss patent office”
I have had the pleasure of knowing a number of extremely high achievers in my life, the one thing in common with the ones that I have known is they all needed very little sleep.
A medico friend of mine still only sleeps about 5 hours a night and he is almost 80. It certainly liberates a lot more time to do the serious thinking when you are not bothered by distractions during the “wee small hours”
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FWIW – a different view
“In Defense of Telework”
https://accordingtohoyt.com/2024/12/13/in-defense-of-telework/
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When Juvenal coined the phrase panem et circenses around 100CE it was in the context that the Roman masses no longer cared about being involved in politics or their heritage. Much like Australians and many other Westerners today. I guess this is why the Australian Government is so concerned with promoting spectator sports but not important things.
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TRUMP wins defamation suit against US ABC.
It’s payback time.
It’s almost impossible for a US President (past or present) or any US public official or politician to win a defamation suit so this is an amazing achievement.
https://x.com/EricLDaugh/status/1868031394565251403
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I wonder if “their ABC” will report this!
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FWIW
“3-Nitrooxypropanol, Bovine Flatulence and Bud Lighting Your Business for #Feelz”
https://hotair.com/tree-hugging-sister/2024/12/12/3-nitrooxypropanol-bovine-flatulence-and-bud-lighting-your-business-for-feelz-n3797819
Read it all! UK boycott still going and comparisons to “Bud-lite”
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Well, just more borrowing and inventing money, no-one really cares…
“Despite recording a $15.8 billion surplus in 2023-24, Chalmers forecast a deficit of $28.3 billion for the current financial year. He is expected to confirm a major deterioration in the budget bottom-line due to a drop in company tax collections and a lift in government costs. Some economists believe the deficit could be more than $42 billion”
..and I didn’t realise we’d been at war recently and now have massive bills for the after-effects.
“The federal budget has taken a $1.8 billion hit as a huge backlog of claims for assistance from the nation’s defence veterans is finally cleared, and money flows to tens of thousands of people with multiple physical and mental health problems….The extra $1.8 billion over the next four years is on top of $6.5 billion that Chalmers revealed in the May budget as public servants dealt with a backlog of claims that at one point reached more than 66,000 people.”
I remember the big blow-outs when cops were allowed to claim stress disfunction and take a golden handshake as they resigned. Start giving money away and the immoral will start queuing up!
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/veterans-claims-add-1-8-billion-driving-budget-further-into-red-20241211-p5kxge.html?js-chunk-not-found-refresh=true
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It has all been normalised now. Many cops take that compo payout option. No one cares about debt anymore. People have their snout in the trough and are earning money and are desensitized. Housing costs take all the focus now.
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Australia must delegitimise the Labor/Green/Teal Marxist triumvirate who are hell bent on wreaking our economy and life style. The country is being managed by decree from Sydney Melbourne and Perth. We are spending borrowed money like an aging POTUS in a vain attempt to win Government at any cost that will ultimately reflect in an increased rate of detrimental inflation.
https://richardsonpost.com/cliff-reece/38185/plibersek-and-bowen-are-wrecking-our-economy/
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The inherent problem with democracy. You get 9 mad people in a room of 10 ?
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The Solomom Asch Conformity Experiment.
Very short video and highly relevant to what’s going in the Western world today.
It explains why people believe the lies and propaganda of the Left.
https://youtube.com/shorts/r6rLYf8hlbQ
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Except my conclusion is a bit different. I believe the single person did not believe what he said. He simply wanted to not stand out and it wasn’t worth the fight, especially on his own. And that’s a survival technique selected over many generations. No one wants to be first and the only. They follow the herd for safety. In this case the truth just didn’t matter. But a single other who dares to deny is enough for many to find reason and courage. Which is why people need leaders.
If you call out the lie, you get pummeled. Especially at university. It’s a herd instinct. Do people believe? I doubt it. But it’s not worth the grief. This is exactly how a vocal minority can dominate the herd. Until you get a real leader. Tony Abbott was a great leader and won in a landslide, but lost heart when defenestrated by his own side.
We saw this vacillation with Peter Dutton over the voice. And the ultimate leader is Donald J. Trump who never needed the job and has seen every conceivable trick played against him, even two assassination attempts. He is still convicted on 34 counts on a charge no one understands, an alleged story from New York of uncertain place and time and far past the statute of limitations and of course a $454 million fine for misleading one of the world’s biggest banks. In the opinion only of the judge and prosecutor in a case with no alleged victims at all.
In the West we now have the professional politician who has never had a job. On any issue they look at the pros and cons of backing either side in terms of their voter base, not right and wrong. These are amoral people.
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>These are amoral people
Absolutely. And people without morals have no scruples.
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Top UN court wraps historic climate change case
https://www.courthousenews.com/top-un-court-wraps-historic-climate-change-case/
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Taxpayers in Australia are paying for this nonsense.
You cannot blame the islanders for wanting to join the scam rather than being the scammed.
The world should acknowledge China’s tremendous efforts in liberating carbon. They are on target to release 5,000,000,000 tonne of carbon from just coal in 2024.
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Carbon or Carbon Dioxide?
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Coal is almost pure carbon. or high carbon derivatives.
The atmosphere already has the oxygen used in the combustion so it is only the carbon adding mass and only temporarily but still contributing to CO2 increase.
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And therein lies the rub. If CO2 was such an existential threat then the logical course of action would be for a large number of nations to put pressure on China to reduce its emissions. And in turn MSM should be harping on about China’s CO2 output but they barely report anything
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It the communist push. Forget science and democracy, use the unelected judges to dispense ‘justice’ even if the whole thing is a hoax. And courts love to please their presumed victim clients and take the high moral ground, even if it is based on nothing at all. There is no fossil fuel CO2 in the air. But who even understands that statement in the International Court of Justice? Who writes this ‘international law’ and more importantly, who enforces it. The UN?
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You may not agree with the motivation but some very sound advice based on evidence in this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mAVB9cuTCA
You can jump to the 8 minute mark tio avoid the introductions.
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I have considered solar, not because it’s any good but because economic forces have been distorted by government making a defective and unworthy product possibly attractive. However, most installers are not interested in doing an installion on my home at any reasonable worthwhile cost because my house is three stories tall with a 45 degree roof which makes approved access methods cost-prohibitive. They prefer to harvest the available installation subsidies on single story houses where they don’t have to install scaffolding etc. (another huge scam in Australia, incredibly expensive).
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There is a lot more useful information in the presentation than just solar panels. Fior example, do you have a gas bill? I am really impressed wit the Sanden heat pump that Strop recommended.
Panels mounted on a northward facing roof with 45 degree pitch is getting closer to ideal than most roofs. But I understand the constraints that installers have. You have special circumstances that need special consideration. There may be an economic option with a good installer.
Solar panels are neither defective nor unworthy. They are brilliant technology manufactured with high level of efficiency to offer great value and utility in appropriate applications.
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I wouldn’t term solar panels, with their best efficiency at 25%, a good way to extract energy from the sun. Like wind, they will always be an unreliable energy source that can never be depended on to produce power, and have no place as a reliable energy source for our power grids.
Having said that, they are ok in a limited sense as home solar to assist with lowering our power bills, mainly in summer.
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Where did I suggest they were suitable for the power grid.
All satellites are making use of solar panels and have been for a long time. It would be difficult to burn coal in a satellite.
Most boats and caravans are using solar panels for efficient energy collection and conversion.
You car engine has a conversion efficiency of about 25%. The tree that produced the fuel had a solar to sugar conversion efficiency of about 6%.
The solar panels on my roof are much more convenient than buying 30 tonne of coal 15 years ago and shovelling a small quantity of it into a miniature power plant every day. The grid has evolved to benefit from scale and placement of generators on coal fields. Solar panels and batteries are a better solution when you are a small user, not near a grid or coalfield.
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Not sure why you would have thought that Rick, I was just making a statement in general about solar panels.
And from what I have read, satellites don’t use mono-crystalline solar cells.
The point I was trying to make was that solar panels start from a low efficiency and go downhill from there.
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Actually King RickWill Island stated his efficiency was a whopping 4% yesterday, I have’nt stopped laughing since.
The reason our energy costs are so high is because of the renewable energy subsidies and relocating the grid, nothing else.
The solution to the government (UN) created problem is not more of the problem, it’s not a 20 year from now Nuclear wet dream, promised by someone who will not be anywhere near the office, but will continue to kick the ball down the road for you lot to chase for the next 30 years.
The solution we need is the same as we always had, extracted in Australia by Australians and the cash flowed amongst Australians, we manufactured our own stuff which employed our own people. Johnny Howard instigated the UN Agenda 21, deindustrialisation of Australia, which at that time was 30% of our industry, this was meant to go to third world countries to spread the equality, it went to China. Then they told us we could get it cheaper from China, we can’t compete with China and the remaining 70% packed up shop (with incentives).
The same people who tell us this then give a Billion dollars of money we don’t have to the parasite who stole $444 Million to build sunshine capture devices, to compete with those we are told we can’t compete with.
Championing for Nuclear is admitting Co2 is a problem, the molecule of life has transformed into the molecule of destruction, declared by people none of us could identify in a police line up.
We don’t have a Government, we have a production company, and we get to select act 1 or act 2 of the same movie. every 4 years.
Left right left right left right, fetch.
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Sorry Graeme fat finger.
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It’s planned, but the more people who go onto solar to save money, the more expensive their electricity becomes. I refuse on principle.
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It is only more expensive for those who have not or cannot go to solar.
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If you have enough storage as well. More cost. And you put your energy at the control of politicians who can shut you down at any time. It’s a three shell trick.
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Need to do the sums properly, include all costs and that means Opportunity Cost as well, then allocate a payoff period and see if you can the system off within that period. I chose 10 years because of my age, and because I wanted to stay comfortably inside the expected shortest system item lifetime, being the inverter. At the current rate of savings, and I’m five years down now, I still expect to pay off the system within eight years.
With opportunity cost of $1500, my total cost was $6800, and I’ve saved about $4900 so far. This is mainly due to only running the air con in summer when solar panel efficiency is highest.
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In Asia, Bamboo scaffolding is the way to go and the workers there can do things in no time. No CFMEU bandits, red tape, green tape or any other tape.
Australia is so over regulated.
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I watched most of the presentation.
He doesn’t like gas.
What is the problem with gas?
We have big gas reserves.
We already own it so we don’t have to buy it.
Enrico Mariutti showed it’s less polluting and less CO2 intensive than solar PV.
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Unfortunately, this Capitalist economy we have does not operate in such a logical way as that !
ALL materials ( Gos, Coal, Oil, Iron Ore, Minerals, even Dirt,) are traded at “market value”.
And in most cases that is a World market valuation
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What you say is true for LNG in tankers, we would pay the Singapore hub price as we do petrol but we already have the start of a national pipe network and because gas in a pipe CAN’T sell internationally it is sold at a domestic contract price.
Australia must extend our gas network and increase capacity. Gas will allow industry to decentralise, replace some of the diesel used by miners and feed OC gas turbines – cheapest backup power in remote communities.
https://www.spglobal.com/platts/plattscontent/_assets/_images/latest-news/20191021-australia-lng-gas-infrastructure.jpg
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How does the gas get to export terminals, if not in a pipe?
It is all in the same pipe, just a different valve
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Now you are talking ****. Natural gas is not sold on the international market out of Australia. We sell LNG which is piped gas refrigerated to liquefaction in $billion trains. They use dedicated pipelines.
If you don’t have the billion you sell locally at whatever price you can negotiate.
Time you went back to Uni and studied science, not politics.
Natural Gas Liquefaction Cost
Based on the provided search results, here are some estimates and ranges for the cost of a natural gas liquefaction train:
According to the article “Comprehensive review of current natural gas liquefaction processes on technical and economic performance” (2012), the capital costs for large-scale liquefaction processes vary significantly, ranging from $124 to $2255 per tonne per annum (TPA) LNG.
Another article, “An Overview of Global LNG Plant Development Costs” (2018), mentions that the cost of constructing a liquefaction train is around $1.5 billion per 1 MTPA (million tonnes per annum) capacity. This translates to approximately $150 million to $200 million per 1 MTPA train, depending on the size and complexity of the project.
A snippet from “Setting the bar for global LNG cost competitiveness” mentions that the cost of building an LNG plant is at least $1.5 billion per 1 MTPA capacity, with receiving terminals costing $1 billion per 1 billion cubic feet per day (bcfd) throughput capacity, and LNG vessels costing $200 million to $300 million.
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I’m talking it because thats what you’re serving up!
Some fool even provided a map of pipelines and ranted on about Thomas the Tank Engine.
“The eastern gas market is interconnected by transmission pipelines, which source gas from these basins and deliver
it to liquefied natural gas (LNG) facilities for export and to large industrial customers and major population centres for
domestic use.”
https://www.aer.gov.au/system/files/State%20of%20the%20energy%20market%202022%20-%20Chapter%204%20-%20Gas%20markets%20in%20eastern%20Australia.pdf
I am looking on google earth for the train track to the platforms in the Bass straight and Timor sea, I see nothing?
Do you think they put these underwater?
P.S Natural Gas (NG), Liquid Natural Gas (LNG), same product different state, or so my grade three edumication be telling maa.
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Merry Christmas
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Australia exports a LOT of gas, imports a LOT of oil and refined products. That sounds like an imbalance to me but your red hot hatred won’t allow you to read properly.
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FFS. Now the strawman.
“What you say is true for LNG in tankers, we would pay the Singapore hub price as we do petrol but we already have the start of a national pipe network and because gas in a pipe CAN’T sell internationally it is sold at a domestic contract price.”
My “red hot hatred” allows me to converse civilly with fools though.
And what, no merry christmas in return?
I got you a hammer and sickle for a pressy 🙂 Snip Comment deleted by author
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I was discussing this y’day and wondered why we have gas but not much oil so I did a search:
Australia’s Oil Reserves
Based on the provided search results, here’s a breakdown of the factors contributing to Australia’s gas reserves and limited oil reserves:
Geological history: Australia’s continental mass has been stable for over 4 billion years, which means that the conditions for oil formation (shallow anoxic seas) were not present. In contrast, gas-rich sedimentary basins have formed over time, leading to abundant natural gas reserves.
the full article here:
https://search.brave.com/search?q=Why+does+Australia+have+gas+reserves+but+little+oil%3F&source=web&summary=1&conversation=e3f8054162b5da1468bb0a
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-01-24/major-oil-discovery-in-outback-sa/4481982
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-02/coober-pedy-fears-for-water-supply-amid-oil-gas-drilling/9493640
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That’s perhaps true for the eastern states, but I believe that WA gas is supplied at a fixed rate under the gas reservation scheme. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
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You are probably right because the State of WA came to an agreed contract. The gas company has the comfort of a guaranteed market and price but must miss out on the extra price when the spot is above the contract. That’s how commerce is done. The socialists here don’t understand this.
With respect to our Western brothers “the market” is generally referring to the east of the desert.
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” That’s how commerce is done. ”
Tell me again about the wonderful contract the Howard Govt entered into with China buying our gas.. Govt never belong in commerce, they are just corrupt children!
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The contract was between the gas producers and their bankers who funded the massive capital expenditure and the buyers. Howard approved the export licence I suppose but he didn’t negotiate it.
How could they? They didn’t fund the exploration wells, the pipelines or the liquefaction trains. No one in Australia had the slightest interest in the gas. Should Howard have said they couldn’t export it because SOME DAY short sighted Aussies might want it? Neither Syd or Mlb have a receiving terminals for LNG so you STILL wouldn’t have the gas.
You commies give me the Tom Tits.
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The heat pump hot water is around 10 times more energy efficient than a gas hot water based on metered energy into the household. Likewise for space heating. And the space heater can also be used for cooling.
My last gas bill for 60 days was $73 for 119MJ; equivalent to 33kWh. So works out at $2.21/kWh. I am now only running the cooktop from gas so the service charge is the largest component.
Same thing is happening with electricity. My connection fee is by far the largest component. Not an issue when I can make money from the connection but that changes at the end of this month when the 66c/kWh expires. This is my economic incentive to go entirely off-grid for energy.
Snowy 2 and the first nuclear plant could be up and running by 2040 but I am not even confident of that. And I am not hoping we get a sensible government any time soon.
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I’v have had three control boards on my Mitsubishi splits fail so when my 25 yr old immersion electric hot water failed I DIDN’T buy something with a control board.
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When mine failed, the sparky told me they are not suitable for the tropics as the humidity deteriorates the boards, he got me a Panasonic which has a coating to prevent that.
Pays to listen to clever people, sometimes.
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Moderates in decline.
‘In 2019, there were about 22 members in the group that champions socially progressive causes. Now there are just 12 committed to staying on past the next election.’ (SMH)
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How long did you say it was before Parliamentarians get their gold-plated pension?? Two election cycles or three?
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In the aftermath of covid mismanagement and lies, I am now at the point where I have zero or even negative confidence in Big Pharma and their partners of the regulatory agencies and the Left. I accept no judgement on the safety or efficacy or even the possible benefits of any pharmaceutical agent or any claim of possible harm of such agent. If they say it’s safe, it might be harmful. If they say it’s harmful e.g. ivermectin, it is probably safe and useful.
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I see the same social/political phenomenon with Net Zero.
As individual products, drugs can be miraculous.
Quasi religious zealots then take over, and turn ‘drugs’ into a cause and a solution for everything.
European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen pledges $290 million for “GAVI, the Vaccine Alliance” at the Global Citizen Festival.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/bqaZNalRVUih
Notice the “Demand Equity” graphic.
This is a cult. A new quasi-religion.
Wind and solar and vaccines can work well for some things.
But no … Net Zero!
Vaccines, vaccines ,vaccines!
It’s like a form of political anorexia.
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Our boys in blue are outstanding.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-15/australia-leads-world-in-arresting-climate-environment-activists/104721294
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It works both ways.
They also demonstrated their great enthusiasm to arrest pro-freedom protestors during the world’s most draconian covid lockups.
They are just arresting environmental activists because they enjoy behaving like jack booted thugs, not for any moral or legal reason of removing environmental activist pests from blocking public roads etc.
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Well I am of the thinking we should join the Greens in the coal export protests. Stop the ships.
If we are not allowed to use it here, based on morals basically, then how is it moral to sell it overseas for them to burn?
I see it as the only way to wake up the accountants and get rid of this insanity. Get your plastic canoes ready!
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A dealer never consumes his wares.
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Watching the cricket, as usual for a ‘tragic’, and there was an ad for tonight’s news bulletin.
Phew! Thank heavens it’s now ….. ‘The Science’.
It would seem there’s a convenient excuse ….. for everything.
Tony.
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The good thing is, the more rubbish they promote as ‘science’, the more ‘science’ gets rubbished by the average Joe and Jo.. Real science might return to the private sector and white-coated Govt drones just get ignored.
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FWIW
“REPORT: Trump Can Fire Anyone in DC He Wants to, Thanks to What the Democrats Did to Sean Spicer in 2021”
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/12/report-trump-can-fire-anyone-dc-he-wants/
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FWIW
Well! Well! Well!
Amid cuts to basic research, New Zealand scraps all support for social sciences
Scientists shocked as “blue-sky” Marsden Fund has half its budget shifted to research focused on helping economy”
https://www.science.org/content/article/amid-cuts-basic-research-new-zealand-scraps-all-support-social-sciences
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Amazing! There may be light at the end of the tunnel for the country!
“University of Waikato demographer Tahu Kukutai has a new Marsden grant to compile a database of 19th century iwi and hapū (tribal groups) and kāinga (homes) to better understand New Zealand’s population changes during colonization. She is particularly concerned about the loss of funding for Māori-led research such as hers. This year, Māori made up 13% of all Marsden-funded investigators. Take away the humanities and social sciences panels, and this drops to 5.5%. “This decision defunds Māori research and researchers by stealth,” she says.”
Absolutely laughable!! What happened to the billions of dollars that Maori have been given under the Treaty of Waitangi?? That endless gravy train could easily support all the Maori research they need if they had any interest in it. That woman is making a fool of herself.
Also on that page, the science is settled once again according to NOAA..
“researchers needed to stay true to the science, and to the people who rely on it, he said. “The applications and uses of the data we collect [are] incontrovertible—despite what we might hear elsewhere.”
Trump’s attitude toward climate science—he has recently said climate change and its impacts are “one of the greatest scams of all time”—strikes fear in the hearts of the thousands of federal climate researchers.
Climate scientists are now embedded at nearly every U.S. agency, including the Department of Defense (DOD). At the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), for example, they help devise regulations of greenhouse gases from power plants and cars; at the Department of Agriculture they advise farmers on how to adapt their crops to warming; and at the Department of the Interior (DOI), they plan for worsening floods and the changing ranges of endangered species.”
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FWIW
“Natural Gas – Not Nuclear – Is the Key To Powering North America’s Future”
https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/natural-gas-not-nuclear-key-powering-north-americas-future
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FWIW
“Germany Gets Dunkelf**ked Again, Norway To Dismantle Power Cables To Europe, Last Day For 30% Off”
https://robertbryce.substack.com/p/germany-gets-dunkelfked-again-norway
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I have to admit that my sense of health and improvement in energy level has improved since the Trump victory.
It’s been nearly of decade of having to endure crazies blatantly lie with impunity.
The comeuppance is satisfying.
(Your ABC guy complaining about Joe Rogan was just the best.)
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-11-28/abc-chairperson-slams-joe-rogans-influence/104657644
How old is John Kerry?
I sure hope he’s remains healthy and active.
Doesn’t fall or break a hip or anything getting off the private jet.
Hope he’s staying current on his COVID vax schedule.
Maybe he should double up, like masks, two of each are most certainly better.
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His hair should be preserved for posterity. Unfortunately it appears to have overheated the brain beneath. Or perhaps all the hair products? Or the endless combing? But perhaps he will be most remembered for his marriage into the Heinz business and the impact of baked beans on Global Warming.
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Cool
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-15/australia-leads-world-in-arresting-climate-environment-activists/104721294
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FWIW
https://accordingtohoyt.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/1714103726819516416.jpg
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https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/natural-wonders/no-recovery-major-threat-to-worlds-oceans-if-controversial-mining-plan-goes-ahead-expert-warns/news-story/44e3f6a4dd240b5b46e21c8ca90a1cfb
And it begins, the total destruction of the earth. Not only are the moronic climate alarmists going to mine out dry land, they are now going to vacuum up the oceans floors, killing everything that exists there. This needs to be stopped NOW.
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Fascinating stuff here:
https://www.discovermagazine.com/planet-earth/in-search-of-megaplumes
A little more than a year ago, on the night of February 9, the 170-foot research ship Wecoma headed west from the Oregon coast into darkening rough seas. Within hours, the ship was trying to make its way into a gale that drove rain horizontally across the decks. By the next day 45-knot winds were jacking waves up to heights of 30 feet, conditions that could easily have smashed smaller vessels.
The relentless pounding continued for days. Oceanographer Ed Baker remembers February 14 as the worst night of all. Waves crashed and roared over the deck, blurring sky and sea. Then the wind would suddenly change direction without warning, propelling rollers into the ship from an entirely new angle. The Wecoma pitched and bucked violently in unpredictable jerks. “What you can’t appreciate until you’re out there is the whipping motion,” says Baker.
“If you’re not holding on, you can get thrown across the deck.” Despite the storm, Baker, a researcher at the Pacific Marine Environmental Laboratory in Seattle, and his colleagues were determined to launch a half-ton deepwater probe into the Pacific from the roller-coaster decks. They knew that a mile below the Wecoma a volcano had blown its top, and only the most unholy of storms would keep them from collecting evidence of a newly discovered side effect of such an eruption: giant underwater twisters of hot water, called megaplumes, loaded with minerals and strange life-forms. … [A volcano blows on the seafloor and there’s a massive storm above!]
The first rumblings of that unseen spectacle had begun weeks earlier, on January 25. A network of sensitive hydrophones in the North Pacific, deployed by the U.S. Navy to listen for Soviet submarines, picked up a swarm of earthquakes at the summit of an undersea volcano called Axial. The quakes were a lot less subtle than the quiet hunters of the cold war: they sounded like freight trains rumbling by. Over the course of a day the quakes traveled 30 miles from the volcano, following a scar in the seafloor where two plates of the planet’s crust are pulling apart. The quakes shook loose the rock that had stopped up the volcano’s plumbing.
[SNIP – Sorry, try to keep comments to 400 words – Jo]
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What I find most deceitful is the way Blackout Bowen wants to transfer the cost of storing excess solar electricity generation to households via domestic batteries. Is it because he knows that, currently, there are no batteries large enough to store sufficient surplus electricity to sustain the population longer than a few hours. Even a modicum of storage runs into millions of $$$$. Just ask South Australia.
storing electricity is like storing water without recognising the loss through seepage and evaporation.
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