Gone are the days when governments figured out how laws could be enforced before they made them. In their own words this is only “a massive transformation of the economy”, so who cares about the details like, is it possible, and what will it cost?
And of course that all important detail “why bother in the first place?”
The Australian government has just legislated a 43% cut to emissions of a beneficial trace gas, of which Australia makes 1.1% of human output and about 0.05% of the emissions of all the plants, algae and oceans on Earth. We’ve only got 8 years to do it in and even the head of the our largest national scientific institute admits nearly half of the technologies we need are not even invented yet.
Even the minister calls it “insanely late”.
What could possibly go wrong, apart from bankrupting the nation in an effort to change the weather?
Climate target set, now for the tricky bit on cutting emissions
Greg Brown, The Australian
Anthony Albanese’s climate change agenda will shift to creating two road maps to slash emissions in the transport and industrial sectors after his 43 per cent 2030 target became law in a momentous parliamentary vote.
Ahead of the passage of the bill, Climate Change Minister Chris Bowen warned there was a lot of work to be done to ensure Australia lowered emissions by 43 per cent on 2005 levels by 2030.
“We have a lot of work to do and we have to do it urgently. We are starting on the journey for a 2030 emissions reduction target in 2022, which is leaving it insanely late,” Mr Bowen told a CEDA forum in Parliament House. “Eighty-seven months is not long for a massive transformation in our economy.”
The Minister is actually bragging about doing something insane as if it’s a good thing to be mentally deranged. Governing the country is a game of fashion now, and may the biggest poseur win.
Can’t we just legislate inventions?
It would be so much simpler:
Highlighting the task ahead of the Albanese government in meeting its targets, CSIRO chief executive Larry Marshall said 40 per cent of the technologies needed to reach to net zero were yet to be invented.
The Labor government apparently relies on the CSIRO plan which assumes these inventions can be invented (and in time):
“It’s largely the plan that the government has adopted moving forward, which is great because it’s based in science, but it requires us to invent some things to get there,” he told the CEDA conference. “About 40 per cent of the things we need to get to net zero, have to be invented. But this country has the power to invent those things. If you think it’s hard, you’re right.”
Attacks on cars coming soon:
A consultation paper on low-emission vehicles will be out in the “next few weeks”, while submissions for reforming the safeguard mechanism close on September 20.
The Safeguard Mechanism is the cheating name for the Australian Emissions Trading Scheme that Australians didn’t want and for the most part — don’t know we had. Documents related to it are here. Submissions can be made here. Please share your most entertaining suggestions below!
I plan a really cheap vacation in Australia in two year’s time.
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That might be all that our ‘rulers’ will ALLOW us to do:
Schiphol airport in Amsterdam limits flights to prevent emissions, in world first
But, as usual, there will be different rules for different people.
And Katie Hopkins weighs in.
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And there is also this.
Dutch city world’s first to ban advertisements for holiday flights
https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/green-travel/300683629/dutch-city-worlds-first-to-ban-advertisements-for-holiday-flights
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Not only Schiphol, cancelling flights everywhere.
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Let us know how that works out for you.
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Legislate all you want. It won’t work.
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My submission went along such lines. Pure idiocy thought up by clueless experts. It will fail.
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Better that the idiots aim for 2030 than later.
This way we will live to see the totality of their failure; and, mock them every day there-after.
Something to cheer you up, GlenM. 🙂
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Seems our govt has abandoned all reason and has no clue about science and innovation, or how to run a business/country.
Having been involved in two factories where brain dead leadership decided to implement unproven technology, essentially creating a giant pilot plant, but crucially one which was supposed to produce saleable product, I can tell you it all ends in tears.
You cannot legislate an innovation or a new process.
In the two cases both companies did see the light, as the profit motive was a very strong one and abandoned the “cutting edge” technology and moved to proven processes.
But unfortunately the idiotic Chris Bowen and the science illiterate and engineering ignorant politicians will, in Leftist style, just keep on digging a deeper and deeper hole until it all collapses. Leftists never ever learn, they just keep saying they will do it better and are incapable of objectivity. Add in a press corps that is the PR office for the WEF and its a nightmare ahead.
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Trofim Lysenko would approve of this government’s actions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trofim_Lysenko
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But that IS the plan.
From the perspective of those who have set out to destroy Western Civilisation in general, this is not what’s “going wrong” but from their perspective it’s what’s going right.
This is part of the Great Reset.
And being a middle ranking power, full of Leftist ideologues thoroughly infiltrated into all institutions (Rudi Dutschke’s “long march through the institutions), and all fanatical believers in the UN, WEF, the anthropogenic global warming fraud, the covid agenda, the developing war against the food supply etc., Australia is an ideal country to demonstrate the Great Reset to world “leadership”.
And speaking of which, Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, one of the few decent leaders left has just passed away. She has no suitable replacement. Her passing is yet another blow to what remains of Western Civilisation.
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[Sorry, please take further discussion about the Queen to the new thread for it. – Jo]
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So a problem that doesn’t exist will be solved by technologies that don’t exist
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That sounds very much like a Lose/Lose proposition.
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Take the successor fool to the Tower of London.
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CSIRO’s (premium Australian Government research organisation that once had an excellent reputation) role should not be tasked to blindly attempt to implement the impossible as requested by Government but to give impartial scientific advice as to why such a thing should not be attempted.
In accord with established and verifiable scientific and engineering knowlege CSIRO should have advised government:
1) There is no evidence of catastrophic anthropogenic global warming.
2) It is impossible to run an industrial civilisation on randomly and diffusely generated solar and wind unreliables, stored in expensive and inefficient electrochemical or hydro Big Batteries. Not now, not ever.
3) In all known cases solar and wind power results in a massive increase in consumer electricity bills. It is a total lie that solar and wind unreliables produce inexpensive power.
We already have suitable power sources in the form of coal, gas, nuclear (not Australia) and real hydro (not SH2).
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The very basis of 1) is that the 50% increase in CO2 is ‘anthropogenic’, man made. This is a provable lie. Base C14 levels have not gone under the long term average over the last 100,000 years and fossil fuel has no C14. CO2 does not create warming, warming oceans release CO2. The first is a piece of made up science which does not explain ocean warming. The second is self evidently true as 98% of all CO2 is in the oceans.
Our public scientists are irresponsible main chancers, afraid of their own shadows. Worse, many are proven climatebaggers. They needed to stop this nonsense, not profit from it. And now as world energy and food collapse, they need their proportion of the blame. We could have been a powerhouse of factual science and what else is real science but explanation of facts? Our specialists have all been AWOL as reality becomes obvious.
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The absolute “doozy” for me was when Larry Marshall talked about “machines that would take CO2 from the air”. We seem to have a head of CSIRO who didn’t learn about plants and photosynthesis.
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My first exposure to a CSIRO scientist was a work experience week at Entomology when I was 17 years old, back in 1988. I was placed with the sparkies and went on rounds watching things being fixed. One job we had was attending a lab where the cranky professor was complaing that the newly installed distiller wasn’t working. My senior couldn’t see an electrical reason for it ceasing to work, but I saw the problem right away which related to a lack of venting as the distillation receiver filled. I quietly told my senior what the problem was, and he told me to tell the prof. Angry and animated, prof told me was wrong, but I insisted I was right. In anger, prof grabbed at the still, snapped off some glass pipe, and the device commenced to work! Senior sparky smiled at me, and we quietly left.
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Yes, you know that science has completely fallen under the spell of the woke, climate catastrophists when you have the countries Chief Medical Officer unable to define a woman.
God help us.
While you are at it God, could you help line up a new coach for the Essendon Football Club!
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“Countrys “
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You often hear that God will smite you down as a threat. Well, if God does have the power to smite then i wish he would hurry up and start using it as there is lots of smiting to be done. Otherwise we will have to do the smiting ourselves….
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You only have to look at the current generation output to see how futile the 43% quest is in the time available.
September is generally a windy month down under, so I had a look at how much energy is supplied to the east Australian grid at peak usage times. I did this for the first week of this month and compared peak usage time wind output against the output from the two coal-fired power stations (Liddel and Eraring) which are slated for closure next year.
Graphs and data tables are available at this link.
Turns out that they are generating about the same amount of energy during this windy period, so you would have to double the capacity of all the wind turbines on the east coast to have a realistic chance of covering the lost firm energy from the planned Liddel + Eraring closures, and only 18 months to do it.
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Just look at what Truss in UK has just done. Reality will win in the end. Well fracking done for now doing some good fracking work. The Gas is there for the taking. And it’s free. Mother Nature put it there free of charge. It costs money to get it out, but, hey, Life Wasn’t Meant To Be That Easy…………………
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It costs money to harvest free wind and solar too. And they are not cheaper than fossil fuels despite the ridiculous claims of free energy. The trillions being spent on windmills is money wasted with a life expectancy the shortest for any public expenditure.
Consider if a bridge or tunnel or public building or freeway or pier or lighthouse or stadium or canal or dam only lasted 20 years there would be an uproar. But half the windmills will not even last that long. And then who cleans up the mess? And who pays for the replacement? And how does that stack up when you consider the payback period on CO2 savings in building and in all the distribution infrastructure to support tens of thousands of the things?
All this story of free energy is a lie. It is extremely expensive to harvest and occupies and ruins vast amounts of land. Coal and gas and oil and nuclear have a relatively tiny footprint and cheap simple distribution and a very long life expectancy, like any bridge or tunnel.
Imagine if the Sydney Harbour Bridge or the Chunnel or Buckingham Palace only lasted 20 years. They took that long to build. Even Melbourne’s Westgate bridge has already exceeded its design life of 40 years and the plan is to keep it forever.
Windmills and solar panels are utterly disposable short term rubbish. Giant solar farms in the US are already abandoned. And we are told solar and wind are cheaper? It’s such an obvious lie no politician can claim they were fooled.
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“Windmills and solar panels are utterly disposable short term rubbish.”
Chinese utterly disposable short term rubbish as well.
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Buildings/wind mills/vehicles.
Theoretically technology improves them with time.
I recall reading an article maybe 10 years ago about bringing an office building “up to current/future” environmental standards with respect to heating/cooling.
The answer was the savings would never recover the rents lost/”not earned” during the period of renovations.
And FF vehicles are now capable of fuel economies only dreamed of 30 years ago. But if I own a 30 year old vehicle at no additional cost, the cost of that new vehicle may exceed my available asset base. IE it is unaffordable.
As far as windmills go, locally we have one of the oldest wind farms in Australia. Seems to be doing now what it was doing when installed a bit more than 20 years ago. Though a few more towers were added along the way.
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Dave
The evil BOM, captured by climate change ideology, is also working against the scientific cause. This blog has shown countless examples of simply appalling “adjustments” and anti scientific behaviour from the BOM as they seek to distort our climate record.
The CSIRO is similarly captured.
No govt body is to be trusted as all are now manned by Leftist aligned ideologues who have no understanding of science or ethics. They are quite happy to distort and outright lie. And its a fantasy to believe that the CSIRO, even if staffed by actual scientists and competent engineers, can whistle up innovations on demand. Science is not a vending machine where one puts in ones money then selects the invention you want to come out – innovation is hard work!!! I have a track record here with food products but its simply impossible to just churn out products by decree. But that is the way Albo and the Leftists in govt believe it all happens.
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Spot on, David.
I like to point people towards King Island and Flinders Island and the installed ‘renewables’ power plants. If there were ANY place that was a good litmus test for such an exciting adventure as running 100% on wind, solar, batteries and pipe-dreams, it has to be these two locations, right? I mean, in terms of scale and cost, surely two islands with less than 2MW collective demand is a good place to prove that they can walk the talk? But no, right now I see that in both islands the diesel gensets are making up over 50% of the supply.
I’m sure Tomago aluminium smelter will be keen for a few windmills. Imagine how much cheaper they could make their product if all they had to do was install their own renewables power plant and harness all that ‘free’ energy? The mind boggles!
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All three statements ae incorrect buts let’s address 1) through a paper published today in Science.
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abn7950
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While CO2 concentrations and temperature are decorrelated, I’m not believing.
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What?
Why expose your scientific inadequacy by writing that kind of post?
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Its hypothetical, somewhere in the distant future, show us your positive feedbacks in real time and I’ll convince you that global cooling has begun.
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Again, your link contains absolutely zero scientific proof of anything
CO2 warming proven.. There is no proof
2C increase a problem when it was warmer than that for nearly all the 10,000 years….. purely a conjecture.
Proof that their imaginary “tipping points” even exist.. no evidence given.
Its a non-science opinion piece, at best… just scientifically empty propaganda rhetoric.
Try again.. to recognise what is actual science , and what isn’t.
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““Multiple abrupt shifts have been found in climate models. “”
One has to wonder how such a statement ever makes it into a paper purporting to be “scientific” paper. ! 😉
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How far do you get to read through this paper before you reach the first use of the weasel-word ‘model’? I’m betting you can’t even get through the abstract. This isn’t even usable as toilet paper.
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The abstract would be a serious hurdle for him ….. Simon the Holocene Thermal Optimum peak temperatures and those of the Eemian Period 122,000 BP were at least 1.5 C warmer than the twentieth century and no ” multiple tipping points ” spiraled out of control ….
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David,
I know it’s early, but I’m calling that the quote of the day!
Cheers,
Michael
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The Science is there, however, there is now State Mandated Censorship by the ‘Pollies’ ‘advised’ by so called scientific experts.
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It can’t be done without a drastic reduction in lifestyle. Now it’s law that we have to live like we are in a third world country.
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Only thing that might happen before the next election is Liddell Power station shutting down.
Was talking to guy that works at Bayswater, he said the old Liddell station really is on its last legs.
Pressure pipe deterioration to the point that a total rebuild is the only thing that will save it.
He said each day its operating on the wing and a prayer that nothing breaks.
And even Bayswater is not getting the maintenance its needs
When there are continuous rolling blackouts of expensive electricity.. will people start to wake up.??
We are in for a period of electrical deficit no matter what governments do now…
But it will happen faster, and much hit much harder, and last so much longer, under the blatant stupidity of the current ALP clowns.
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“Only thing that might happen before the next election is Liddell Power station shutting down.”
“Let’s hope it does, well before the next election,” sorry, it’s shutting down next year, 2023.
Bayswater and Eraring perhaps.
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I have heard that some generators in the brown coal valley of La Trobe are likewise in need of a major overhaul, or even beyond it. It would be good if anyone close to the generators wanted to fill us in…
But government policy was designed to drive them out of business.
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“But government policy was designed to drive them out of business.”
Not many reliable baseline generators to go, before the whole NEM crashes. 🙁
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Crash and Burn and there we go……………………….
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Lemmings on a fast track to oblivion.
‘The 2.9 gigawatt (GW) Eraring coal-fired power plant – Australia’s largest – is to close in 2025, seven years earlier than planned.’ (Guardian)
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The ‘we’ doesn’t include the ‘elites’ of course. (See above re exemption of private jets from emission restrictions). Expect similar exemptions for our self-declared betters in Oz. Hypocrites!!
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This is behind a paywall but for those with access to the Wall Street Journal this is a good read. The title sums it up nicely, “The Coming Global Crisis of Climate Policy;
As central banks obsess over far-off dangers, a tsunami of energy-price bankruptcies approaches.”
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-coming-global-crisis-of-climate-policy-europe-germany-energy-prices-bankruptcy-winter-subsidies-borrowing-green-nuclear-11662651070?mod=Searchresults_pos1&page=1
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Hit the stop button before the page fully loads and byebye paywall…
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PDF it, post it on your google drive/dropbox/box and share the link 🙂
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This seems about a good time to revisit “The Divine Right of Kings”.
And stand by to watch the “spillage” surging in certain directions.
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“a beneficial trace gas”
All life on earth is made from CO2. It may be a ‘trace’ gas but the only one which can trap sunlight and produce carbohydrate which powers and forms all life on the planet. We are all carbon dioxide and water life forms. A 50 tonne tree is made entirely from CO2 and H2O. Or there would be a huge hole around the tree.
CO2 is in fact in such short supply as opposed to water and sunlight, that the 14% increase in CO2 since 1990 has produced a 14% increase in Green cover, the size of Brazil or Australia. More CO2 means more food, more trees. More trees do not mean less CO2, defeating the entire logic of Nett Zero. Carbon credits for growing trees is fraud.
In fact far from Nett Zero making any logical sense, the world desperately needs more CO2 and the slight warming since the end of the Little Ice Age in 1870 has meant an increase in CO2 because the world’s ocean surfaces have been slightly warmer thanks to increased solar radiation and the patterns of ocean currents known as the PDO and AMO.
Now we expect a rapid drop in temperature at a time when fossil fuels are being closed off.
In the UK, incoming Prime Minister Truss has frozen energy prices, removed the ban on fracking, demanded more oil production in the North Sea. Even former PM Boris Johnson has finally bemoaned the fact that they have not built a new nuclear plant since 1995, so 27 years of doing nothing. It is his greatest regret, that he listened to Carrie and stuffed his own country.
An energy desperate world of is changing quickly. And Australia, the lucky country, not the smart country, has been in the vanguard of shutting down all manufacturing, electricity generation and following world patterns, fertilizer and farming. All to ‘save’ a planet which does not need saving and a Great Barrier Reef which does not need saving and to stop both droughts and floods, which is nonsense. Humans are insigificant, not the ‘custodians’ of the planet, a politicians form of megalomania. .
When will we start building coal fired power stations, stop spending billions of public money on connecting windfarms to the grid and allow fracking and gas exploration and exploitation? Everything else is ridiculous fantasy and with the world’s largest deposits of both Uranium and Thorium, we should actually get to work as nuclear experts instead of erecting windmills and solar farms which have proven near useless from California to Europe. And clean up our vast reserves of lignite, making it pure black coal as briquettes.
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I have read that we should be a renewable energy ‘superpower’. How ridiculous.
If we covered the entire of Victoria with solar panels at an unbelievable cost, not only would the state be uninhabitable, we could not even power Melbourne and certainly not at night.
So I have to ask what fantasist makes up this nonsense and spreads it as fact to the gullible. And why don’t our 5,000 scientists between the CSIRO, BOM, ANSTO and maybe another 15,000 in Universities call out this massive hoax? Or is the answer Peter Ridd and the fact that 2/3 of the salaries go to massively overpaid administrators. Outside medicine, Australian public science is a joke.
And the CSIRO had a world conference on ‘Ocean Acidification’ when none of the world’s oceans are acidic or could ever be acidic. Australian science needs a complete overhaul as full time public service scientists said nothing. From the Chief Scientist down.
The world knows now that Physicist Dr Peter Ridd was absolutely right about the health of the Great Barrier Reef and therefore his allegations of fake research. And which scientists defended him?
Nett Zero is also absolute, unmitigated, extremely damaging fake psuedo science with no basis in fact or logic. And outside this blog, no one says a thing.
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I disagree. There are many other Blogs that are on the ‘Push Back Crusade’.
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I see this as a science blog, not a political one. This is not ‘push back’ or a ‘crusade’. Man made Global Warming is a lie which is provable scientifically and always was. That’s not denial or politics. It’s the truth. Like the Great Barrier Reef fraud. Or even Y2K.
And now we are fighting a war on food as well as energy. The Great Barrier Reef farce was fundamentally a war on Queensland farmers, thinly disguised as a ‘save the planet’ campaign. And the war on democracy using the same principles of Post Modernism, that facts either don’t exist or they are irrelevant.
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My comment was not Political. So get off your high horse………………..
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An oxymoron if ever I heard one! That supplants “military intelligence” in the list of prime oxymoron examples.
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Is that most like:
A) the richest homeless guy?
B) the smartest idiot in the village?; or
C) the healthiest corpse?
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So right, we should take the free rider approach, let those with understanding of the phrase ‘this is a global problem which will affect everybody’ do the work and bear the cost.
Love a good logical fallacy
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“‘this is a global problem which will affect everybody’”
Yep, the 43% aim will affect everybody in Australia, just as idiotic greenie idiotology has badly affected people in most every other country on the planet..
Mythical “anthropogenic climate change” affects absolutely nobody
THERE IS NO GLOBAL PROBLEM WITH CLIMATE.. PERIOD !
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Carbon dioxide does not cause global warming, so AGW is a hypothesis without scientific foundation. The only problem to overcome is universal insanity.
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? srsly
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The IPCC all but dismisses the importance of natural internal variability, nevertheless you accept AGW as gospel. This is understandable, but you’ll need to put more effort into natural variability and how the system really works.
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That is palpably false. I suggest you read all of the IPCC reports, including the sections on the basic science. You will find that natural variability is underpinning all of the models, and is used as the base for any statistical analysis.
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They mention solar variability and volcanic eruptions.
Do you have a link on the basic science?
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https://www.ipcc.ch/working-group/wg1/
That is the link for the physical science – I suggest you start at the first report
https://www.ipcc.ch/working-group/tfi/
This is the methodology, which shows how the science is assembled
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Its nonsense.
‘Multiple lines of evidence indicate the recent large-scale climatic changes are unprecedented in a multi-millennial context and that they represent a millennial-scale commitment for the slow-responding elements of the climate system, resulting in continued worldwide loss of ice, increase in ocean heat content, sea level rise and deep ocean acidification.’
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“process studies, theory and modelling“
That’s all it is !!
Actual observations of the very basis of the AGW scam.. ie warming by atmospheric CO2, do not exist.
Current global temperatures are COOLER than for most of the last 10,000 years
Current Arctic sea ice levels are in the top 5-10% of the last 10,000 years
The “climate emergency” will come from COOLING not from any tiny amount of beneficial extra warming.
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Ah.. the nebulous WG1 link. 😉
Where is all the science.. have you found it yet.
Pin point it.. show it to us. !
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you must be a very quick reader, it took me several weeks to read all the science papers (and that was just the abstracts). Still if you have read them, and that is your conclusion, it is at odds with what has been published. Can you show anything there> Particularly in relation to the claim about CO2?
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No sir, but I have a terrific quote from Javier Vinos.
‘The fifth IPCC report, claims that observed 1951-2010 warming was due to anthropogenic causes, without contribution from natural forcings, despite low volcanic activity and high solar activity; and without any contribution from multidecadal oscillations, despite the 1976-2000 period of warming coinciding with an AMO upswing.’ (Climate Etc)
You see, there is no proof that CO2 is the temperature control knob.
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There is an elephant in the room and the IPCC refuse to acknowledge it.
‘From 1850 to 1910 and 1944 to 1976 temperatures fall, but CO2 increases. From 1910 to 1944 temperatures rise much faster than can be explained by changes in the CO2 concentration. These anomalies suggest other forces are at work that are as strong as CO2-based warming.’ (Andy May / CO2 Science)
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“you must be a very quick reader”
We know for sure that you haven’t read it.
Otherwise you wouldn’t keep making vague references to it.
You would be able to present something of scientific merit.. if it actually existed..
But you continue to fail to do so.
“Particularly in relation to the claim about CO2?”
I claim there is no scientific evidence to support the CO2 warming conjecture.
You keep producing that ZERO evidence.
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Water vapour is the largest greenhouse gas.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/09/09/a-much-larger-greenhouse-effect-but-temperatures-dominated-by-cooling/
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IIPC is a propaganda NON-science group who’s remit is to provide support for the AGW meme.
The IPCC reports do not contain any real science per-say.
If they did.. you would be able to produce that science.
But you have not and can not.
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Yes.. The IPCC reports ARE mostly palpable false.
They are not built on science, but on a quicksand of mantra.
They are built on a FAILED HYPOTHESIS.. that has no scientific basis what-so-ever.
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PF, explain this one away, please.
“The oldest known Aboriginal shell midden place on the Victorian coast is nearly 12,000 years old. At this time sea levels were lower because icecaps at the north and south poles were much larger than today.The shoreline was many kilometres away from its present position, at times creating a land bridge with Tasmania. Sea levels stabilised between 6-7000 years ago, and most middens along the present coastline were formed since that time.”
We got the same info while on an oyster boat tour in Pambula. There are middens hundreds of meters out from the shore line, under many metres of water.
Here’s a tip; Liddell didn’t cause the rise.
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And…..
100 million years ago Australia was part of a larger continent.
AGW is a problem on the scale of 10-100 years, not the 1,000 years or million years for the natural cycles
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And you know this, how? There is sufficient resolution in your tea leaves to determine as little as a ten-year variation in temperature dating back millions of years? Bollocks!
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Oh , and there has been ZERO warming for nearly all the last 7 or so years.
No warming from 1980-1997, or from 2000-2015, and from 2016-now
So for MOST of the satellite era there has been NO WARMING,
Just El Nino steps.. which have absolutely nothing to do with atmospheric CO2.
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Climate change is a problem on the scale of 10-100 years because the natural cycles are still in play. How do you explain this second pause in world temperature? Natural variables rule.
Ross McKitrick is critical of the IPCC methodology, its seriously flawed.
‘One day after the IPCC released the AR6 I published a paper in Climate Dynamics showing that their “Optimal Fingerprinting” methodology on which they have long relied for attributing climate change to greenhouse gases is seriously flawed and its results are unreliable and largely meaningless.
‘Some of the errors would be obvious to anyone trained in regression analysis, and the fact that they went unnoticed for 20 years despite the method being so heavily used does not reflect well on climatology as an empirical discipline.’
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“AGW is a problem on the scale of 10-100 years”
Rubbish!.
The NATURAL warming since the LIA has been totally beneficial to all life on Earth, as has the increase in atmospheric CO2
AGW exists as a problem only in anti-science models and the imaginations of climate scientists.
There is absolutely nothing untoward happening with the global climate.
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” Sea levels stabilised between 6-7000 years ago,”
That’s wrong. Sea levels were about 4.2 metres higher then generally and in some spots around the globe up 7 metres about present.
The persistent drop in sea levels to present is a signal that the ice is building.
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@Kalm Keith
Perhaps it is wrong, however I am only quoting directly from this: LINK
Govvie needs to get their ducks in a row by the sounds of it. However, it doesn’t change the fact there are middens way out under the sea around the Pambula area.
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I agree.
Similarity, I suspect, that there are many remnants of habitation now under water for up to 20 km off the coast of NovoCastria.
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?? Really ?
You have yet to produce one piece of real science that shows warming by atmospheric CO2.
You have been scammed by the biggest hoax perpetrated on science for a very long time.
Fallen for it hook line and sinker.
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The REAL global problem, is of course the anti-science anti-CO2 agenda.
This Net Zero nonsense, and wind and solar push, is destroying societies and economies in basically every once-developed county.
The bizarre mass hysteria about a non-existent fantasy problem. That is the real problem.
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How are the polar bears doing Peter?
Perth is not underwater yet either, strange isn’t it!
The poor Great Barrier Reef? Wow!
Gerbil warming is a religion. Like all religions it’s basis is in faith, not facts.
It is the biggest con in history. Some fat cats will get fatter on this scam, while most people will get poorer and quality of life will deteriorate.
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Gerbil warming. Great description of a non problem. After the Little Ice Age we are not even back to Medieval temperatures.
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Of course you get warming after cooling of the Little Ice Age.
Whatever caused the cooling was not CO2. Michael Mann’s great contribution to fake Gerbil warming was his famous hockey stick where he pretended the warming was unprecedented instead of being the flip side of previous cooling. He couldn’t explain it, so he hid it.
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Gerbil warming is what you get from a gerbil huddle?
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Science is based on fact.
Religion is based on faith.
Cults are based on unhinged and hysterical zealotry.
“Climate Change™” is a cult.
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What problem?
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” Love a good logical fallacy ” ….
You just committed one – the Straw Man fallacy – and yet you are too dimwitted to recognize it ….No one made any such argument for “taking the free rider approach ” ”
” Let those with understanding of the phrase ‘ this is a global problem which will affect everybody do the work ‘” is also nudging ” Appeal to Authority “
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I have just watched a presentation by Professor Simon Michaux, Associate Professor of Geometallurgy, Geological Survey of Finland. In it he describes in detail why we cannot reach Net Zero with the current technology for a very simple reason; we do not have the mineral resources to do it. For example we currently dig up about 14 million tonnes of copper each year but just to make the FIRST generation of renewables and backup we will need over four billion tonnes. To obtain the required Lithium at current rates would take 9920 years or even Nickel at 400 years of today’s production rates. And one other thing ; the world does not have enough of many of the minerals required.
https://youtu.be/MBVmnKuBocc
Perhaps Bowen the Moron should spend an hour an watch his dream evaporate.
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Thats why you will own nothing and be happy. Well, maybe not so happy…
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That’s why part of the plan of the Left is to reduce world population (of Proles only, of course).
How will they do it?
1) Energy Starvation?
2) A Bioweapon?
3) Food starvation?
All three seem to be operational right now.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/apr/26/world-population-resources-paul-ehrlich
https://news.stanford.edu/pr/94/940711Arc4189.html
“Optimum human population a third of present, scientists say”
https://populationmatters.org/news/2019/09/world-and-un-must-reduce-population-growth
https://www.cato.org/policy-analysis/neo-malthusianism-coercive-population-control-china-india-overpopulation-concerns
https://news.mongabay.com/2010/12/jane-goodall-and-david-attenborough-overpopulation-must-be-addressed/
ETC..
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Full paper, with references:
https://tupa.gtk.fi/raportti/arkisto/42_2021.pdf
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Bowen could not watch it as he is currently at Specsavers having his eyes tested.
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On my experience Specsavers is unlikely to provide a fix
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The term “Ready, fire, aim” comes to mind however as highlighted by the great work here the term needs updating to “Ready, fire, aim, load”.
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It’s an excellent presentation. Far too cerebral for the cabal currently ruining the joint (with a few very notable exceptions, this represents nearly all of our representation and “servants” across all levels of
governmenthegemony).However, I think we are all missing the point.
The good Professor has focussed on changing the numerator to solve “the problem” (it is currently impossible, and highly probable to remain so indefinitely – as he deftly demonstrates).
BUT, the unhinged eco-fascists are ideologically fixated on changing the denominator to solve “the problem”.
They have no interest at all in replacing current energy – they mean to drastically reduce it, while
keepingstealing most of it for themselves. They are anti-happiness, anti-freedom, anti-human; and this is not hyperbole.Not enough replacement baseload = “Load shedding”. Problem solved! “No power for you!”
Not enough gas? Great, you can freeze. Problem solved! “No heating for you!”
Not enough food? Great, you can starve. Problem solved! “The planet has too many people anyway!”
You can eat bugs if you’re lucky, but most likely it will be Soylent Green, if you get anything at all.
It’s time for the Right (as in, correct and those valuing freedom) to re-arm with better rhetorical weaponry.
While we must retain the bedrock of logic, reason, facts, and truth, we can longer continue to confront the Left (as in, wrong and those mandating tyranny) with these tools; they are simply impervious to rational argument.
We need to pivot towards humour, parody (even though it’s almost indistinguishable from the reality of clown-world these days), and most importantly ridicule.
We must relentlessly highlight and deride the hubris, idiocy, and insanity of these zealots and make it socially unacceptable for them to virtue-preen in public without significant cost to their “status” (which is, after all, the only thing they really love).
We must re-learn to fight the actual culture war that is upon us, as it stands.
To lose leads to the very same place as the last time totalitarianism came for our freedoms in the last century (actually, I’m not certain that war was ever won, we just kicked the can down the road a bit while the bad actors re-branded themselves for another push).
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My problem Terry is that there is no problem that needs solving. As you would have noted if we continued to use coal and nuclear we would use far less resources. The rail system could be electrified and long haul transport taken off the highways saving diesel. With lots of energy we could make synthetic liquid fuel from our coal. It would be possible, if not the cheapest way, to have fuel self sufficiency. We could cut air travel by having business executives conference by Zoom rather than flying for a meeting. We could also ban climate warriors from flying in their own planes from one photo op to the next.
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You’re all too negative. All the technology needed has already been invented by the clever scientists at the BoM. Just tell them the target and they can use their history rewriting machine on the emissions records. Science in action!
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Good point Rob….
Dr Johnsons band of ideologues need to be better harnessed here, particularly in the production of graphs to order. They can craft graphs to show that in reality power pricing is not what we are being told it is and all those renewable megawatts are driving prices to new lows, that industrial production is powering to greater heights etc. They have had plenty of practice…
Chris Bowen can trumpet that we have the answers right here, and right now…cue the BOM graphs to demonstrate it…
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It never ceases to amaze me at the base stupidity of most politicians! All they want is never-ending power and it’s not the sort that will heat your home or facilitate manufacturing! Whether they be Labor or Liberal they just want to control. They can’t control the weather so they enact dumb Laws that control us! Our thought word and deed is fair game though. They wheel and deal “behind the Speakers Chair” and then squabble publicly about semantics.
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As the saying of old hade it
“Jesus wept and Moses cried”
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“Elbow” has been in parliament about 26 years.
There is a considerable difference between one year of experience 26 times and 26 years of experience
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A bit like ‘I have a year 12 education’, really, ‘yes, I did grade 6 twice’.
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Unobtainables worth a punt?
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In my years managing high tech business and innovation, I found that many people confuse the words ‘invent’ and ‘develop’. The former requires highly creative thinking, and this is not something which can be inserted into a plan in the same way as ‘procure parts’ or ‘assemble electronics’. I had many bouts with the board of one company I managed, the chairman of which would blithely dismiss the scale of such problems, “You have smart engineers. They will work it out.” etc. No, you can’t set a date for when that spark of creativity will occur, when that nutty problem will be solved. Most ‘eureka!’ moments happen when you least expect them, and usually a year or ten after you need them. Much of my time and energy was wasted defending my staff from these absurd demands.
Development, on the other hand, implies improvement of existing technology, usually in an incremental fashion, with each new step forwards building on the previous. Usually much smaller in scale than breakthrough inventions, these are still tricky to put a time frame on, but because much of what you need already exists, the uncertainty is reduced accordingly.
And we have that very mistake here. I don’t have a great deal of faith in Larry Marshall, but he at least should know what an “invention” is. In which case he is misleading the pollies and public. No doubt he is happy to talk in such terms though, anticipating lots of taxpayer dollars heading his way to fund these “inventions”, none of which will be delivered on spec, on time or on budget. Happy days for the CSIRO.
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Sitting in an audience of nuclear physicists, we were told by a minister of science and technology, to think out of the box and invent new forms of energy, like wind and solar…..
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Yes, I always ask the renewables advocates, if wind is so good why did steamships take over?
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Wind is just a hobby form of power, as it should be.
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Good post Steve.
Hits the nail on the head.
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It doesn’t matter anymore now. The Loonies are in charge.
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Can’t wait to see the cost/benefit analysis, including how it will solve the labour shortage by an exodus of jobs overseas.
Mr Bowen almost got it right – “insanely late” – should be “it’s insane”.
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If this utterly stupid policy make any headway by the next election, the Libs will win in a landslide.
The effect on Australian society will be horrendous if even a small part of this idiocy gets up .
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Labor are handing the Australian economy over to the Chinese – No invasion required.
China already dominates the market for solar panels and the supply chain for batteries for EVs
50% of all EVs are now made in China
China will soon dominate the market for wind turbines, since Eurpopean makers have been losing money even before the massive cost of energy increases in Europe.
A Chinese company already owns abd operates the largest wind farm in NSW.
Where are the mainstream media on this betrayal of the Australian people????
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“It’s largely the plan that the government has adopted moving forward, which is great because it’s based in science…”
Would this be the same sort of science that gave us “safe and effective vaccines,” or “just two weeks to flatten the curve,” or, “masks will protect us,” or “lockdowns are our only hope,” and “an unexplained 40% increase of deaths for no apparent reason in the last two years?”
Just asking, because, you know… all that worked out so well.
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“………….. moving forward.” I just hate that phrase. Maybe it was a substitute for ‘next slide’ in a powerpoint presentation. And haven’t I done a lot of those in my later career. As one, David Peck, a Senior Executive Coach (believe it or not, that is his title), Goodstone Group, said in the Huff Post, back in 2013:
“Calling all corporate people, politicians, pundits, and public speaking pros: Please strike the following 30 phrases (*moving forward* being one of them)from your vocabulary. The world will be grateful, and your communication will improve by several orders of magnitude.”
I now see scientific and technical papers with that most annoying phrase included. When the most illiterate players of the Rugby codes start using it, I think it is time to drop it! Forever!
Next, they will be substituting ‘very’ with ‘super.’
Cheers, and may the Queen R.I.P.
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All of these people are so focused on jostling for their place at the trough, they don’t even thing about where the money comes from. Let alone the reality that it can actually run out. When they can no longer beg borrow on steal anymore, they will pack their bags and go home. Then the whole thing will become ‘Someone else’s problem’
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Aluminium smelting consumers 9% of Australia’s electrity supply
This must be the first industry that must be sacrified to China, which already dominates global Aluminium production.
Rank
Country
2019 Production (Thousand Tonnes)
1 China 36,000
2 India 3,700
3 Russia 3,600
4 Canada 2,900
5 UAE 2,700
6 Australia 1,600
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Aluminium production is doing well, it would be a shame to close them down just to reduce energy consumption.
https://kalkinemedia.com/au/stocks/metal-and-mining/five-asx-stocks-to-watch-as-aluminium-prices-hit-13-year-high
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Well, successive governments recently have supposedly championed innovation, and thrown our money at the renewables and climate change industries to drive it. So where is the government funding to innovate in smelting technology and processes? As a leading consumer of energy, surely even a small reduction in consumption would be a good thing, while helping to maintain one of Australia’s vanishing value-add industries?
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‘ … surely even a small reduction in consumption would be a good thing …’
There are discussions on green technologies and the industry is grappling with the problem. The solution is to close all manufacturing down and export more bauxite, leaving 60,000 households without a bread winner.
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What is very telling about this legislation is that it contains no “get out” clause, such as low dollar value, inflation rate, electricity/energy price, human death rates, poverty index, etc. If it did contain such a clause then at least you could consider that it was being implemented with some regard to human life, but without such a clause it means the government doesn’t care in the slightest about any of us. We could be dropping dead in the streets from starvation in the tens of thousands and yet their commitment to net zero will continue. Put simply we all need to rally and protest louder than ever before because our very existence is now on the line and the enemy of the people is now the government.
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The passing of this legislation will mean an enormous boost in activity for the carbon offset racket. The only saving grace in these schemes (called Direct Action under the previous government but undoubtedly subject to a name change if it hasn’t occurred already under the new administration) is that it recognises that purchasing ‘offsets’ from overseas is essentially a gift to the developing world – with few questions asked. At least if the Government ramps up its purchases of offsets (or sanctions such purchases by “polluting” companies) the funds expended should largely stay circulating within the Australian economy.
Still there is no way that Australia can reduce its net CO2 emissions to zero without utilising C offsets – if its citizens are to retain and further improve the lifestyle to which they have become accustomed. The following link to a 3 page essay (which I have previously posted on this site) shows how we might provide a way out for the politicians who collectively created this boondoggle in the first place. See: https://www.beefcentral.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Australia-is-already-a-net-zero-CO2-emitter-thanks-to-our-forests-and-rangelands-2.pdf .
The suggestions made in this essay will no doubt be further modified along the path to 2050. But most countries will use offsets in one form or another to escape the bind they have put themselves in. Of course inarguable global cooling should forestall further green nonsense. And while Australia’s weather this past winter might be an insight into future temperature trends, I’m yet to be convinced that our ‘bloody cold’ saviour is ‘just around the corner’!
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If look at the European and UK experience you can see that the much bigger problem is the impact to the economy from the resulting energy prices. The German industrial sector is now on life support from the taxpayer, but only until the government runs out of other people’s money, which won’t take long, after which Germany will return to it’s former Weimar Republic. The UK is now subsidising electricity in a similar vein and they will follow as will the rest of Europe. Unlike the GFC or COVID, there is no end to this other than return to FF and that’s not allowed, so the outcome is now set.
In terms of the offsets, these are not a solution to stop the rot when you’re in the rapid collapse situation as we see with Europe and from the observations over there, it seems there is no escaping the bind other than a complete shift to nuclear and FF before you start to collapse. In our case that’s what must happen, but we know it won’t :(.
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We have a very poor comedy program in the UK that does spoof news headlines as part of the repertoire. Tonight:-
“Australia dismantled after Neighbours comes to an end.”
Seems like it wasn’t that far from the truth.
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What I’m intrigued about is , if they have legislated 43% emissions reduction what does that actually mean? What happens when in 2030 when we have failed to meet that target do all the politicians who voted in favour of it go to jail or receive a massive fine for breaching that law. I don’t fully understand the point of why such a target has to be enshrined in law if there are no legal consequences for not meeting those targets. I must admit I would be in favour of bringing back capital punishment if such targets are not met and would see the consequent loss of politicians ( the Greens, Labor and Teals ) as a massive boost to society. These things are really Trojan horses being used to implement greater restrictions on a naive population.
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Again here’s the quote from the CSIRO at the Cape Grim site and you’ll note that the SH is a NET SINK for co2 and the NH is a NET SOURCE.
Just a pity that the Albo loony and stupid Bowen etc don’t understand very simple data and logic and reason.
The world’s govts have already WASTED TRILLIONS of $ on this lunacy and yet they still want to completely bankrupt the OECD countries for a guaranteed ZERO return on their so called investment?
Here’s that CSIRO quote…..
“Seasonal variation”
“Carbon dioxide concentrations show seasonal variations (annual cycles) that vary according to global location and altitude. Several processes contribute to carbon dioxide annual cycles: for example, uptake and release of carbon dioxide by terrestrial plants and the oceans, and the transport of carbon dioxide around the globe from source regions (the Northern Hemisphere is a net source of carbon dioxide, the Southern Hemisphere a net sink)”.
The Cape Grim baseline carbon dioxide data displayed show both the annual cycle and the long-term trend”.
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I sent this CSIRO information to ScoMo arguing that we do not have to do any more to meet our ‘obligations’.
His response was a letter disagreeing with me then outlining all of their good deeds to reduce CO2.
The CSIRO are often labelled as the go-to resource by our pollies then they blatantly tell us they disagree with us when we point out the CSIRO’s findings.
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Neville,…
You need to understand that the UN definition of “Net Zero” refers only to emissions directly attributed to human causes…
….and likewise only to CO2 “sinks” directly attributed to human efforts, ..( eg, reforrestation, CCSS, ETC,….and of course those Carbon Credits !!)
“NATURAL” carbon emissions and sinks are NOT included in the Net Zero definition.
Sorry,.. but them are the rules that the UN have set !
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I can’t see where political issues anywhere are about real things.
We can talk about plausibility all day.
Net Zero is not plausible.
A cultish intellectual fashion trend has taken the minds of western governments.
Like extremely pointy shoes or tulips.
The cult even has a new King, just in time for Winter.
They’ve hit the iceberg.
They don’t realize the ship is sinking.
Most of us have already been locked in steerage.
And my health care HMO just sent me a text to get a flu vaccine.
The first text I’ve ever gotten in the year I’ve been signed up.
Perhaps they haven’t yet been informed that my President has declared me a ‘threat to Democracy’.
I live in a Republic.
Not sure which Democracy I’m a threat to.
Is Oz a democracy?
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It appears riots and mass casualties will be required in some parts of the world to change course.
Others are more pragmatic about assessing results and are willing to accept failure and walk away.
China has ended W&S subsidies and pressing the accelerator on coal and nuclear.
Korea is backing nuclear to reduce CO2 production.
India has lost interest in wind but solar is still growing fast. Coal only modest growth.
Japan is going forward with more coal. Wind is negligible. Wave and tidal seem to work there and solar is increasing. Nuclear coming back.
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Riots you say? Surely not?
I mean, if governments truly feared that citizens may rebel against their impoverishment, you would expect those same governments to plan ahead, such as by demonising and criminalising those most likely to lead such a rebellion, so that they can lock them up before it even starts. Also by taking citizens’ guns away. Also by taking control of the means to fund such activities, killing off cash and mounting digital surveillance.
Wait a minute …
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Yes, in many of the same ways as the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea. (at least that seems to be the aim).
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Wow, who needs a God when Bowen and Co can regulate the sun’s activity, stop major floods and droughts, modify ocean oscillations and jet streams, reduce sea levels, lower the temperature, and so on. Shock and Awe has a new meaning!
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Ah, but can they please Murray Shaw and deliver a Flag Winning Coach for Essendon?
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Under a fully solar and wind unreliables with Big Batteries powered electricity grid SOME power will be able to be delivered but it will be VERY expensive and heavily rationed either by government decree or the price mechanism or both.
A reasonable expectation will be:
1) Night time LED lighting in two or three rooms in typical houses.
2) Power to run a radio or TV for a short time to receive government propaganda broadcasts. This is important for government and why historically the National Socialists subsidised the cost of radios.
3) Limited cooking power to warm a once daily meal of gruel and insects or use wood.
4) Limited power for mobile phones. They will be necessary so the government can trace and track you and monitor your all-digital financial transactions which will only be able to be made by your phone.
5) Cars will be out of the question. You will be restricted to public transport according to the timetable the government wants and with night time curfew.
6) Perhaps you might be allowed a once week warm (not hot) shower for 2 minutes.
7) Some street lighting. Too little light will encourage unauthorised gatherings of dissidents.
ETC..
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..and Italy are currently using candles…
Can you cook food over a candle? 😉
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Way back in BC one magazine here had the “Go Mango” cartoon series
In one he is singing a sausage over a candle ans she says “Oh goody! Dinner by candlelight”
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Oops! “Singeing a sausage”
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Step One… Construct and commission large scale “Pixie Dost” and “Unicorn Fart” production facilities!!!!
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“Unicorn Fart” production” – I guess there will be clues to managing that containment problem from solving that for hydrogen?
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WHY, oh WHY, did they shut down the nut houses?
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They didn’t! They consolidated into one big one and put a moat around it.
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“They didn’t! They consolidated into one big one and put a moat around it.”
Ah, yes, parliament house.
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So many questions and so few answers!
Like when is Cow shooting day? At least I will only have to dispose of 43%, those Qld Stations will have to dispose of 50%
Like, will I have to downsize my truck by 43%, park the 8 tonner and get a 5 tonner?
Will my energy provider, provide a charging station on farm, much as my fuel supplier provides a tank?
Will I be rationed as to trips to town for parts and supplies?
Looking forward to Albo And Bowen releasing their plan for all the above and a lot more
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Malcolm Roberts was a lone voice in the Senate against the bill:
https://www.malcolmrobertsqld.com.au/so-its-come-to-this-globalist-push-on-climate-change/
We can all be certain that no one in the present Albanese government will come out and say they were wrong on demonising CO2.
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Once again proving Liberal, Labor and Greens are just different factions of the one uniparty.
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I believe it indicates that the politics of globalism marxism is getting stronger as the years pass.
The noose tightens and we the victims are helpless to remove it.
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Coming to Australia under Elbow Labor/Greens/Teals/Green Liberals when the next 2 Coal Fired Power Stations shut down
‘Time to be bold’ Liz Truss unveils two-year energy bills cap for all Brits
LIZ Truss threw a lifeline to families and businesses as she announced a two-year energy price freeze.
The Prime Minister said it was a time to be “bold” and there are “no cost-free options” as she set out an estimated £150 billion emergency package. Energy costs are being capped which means a typical household will pay around £2,500.
Wholesale costs will be limited to bring down bills for businesses and institutions such as schools, hospitals and churches for six months.
Ms Truss said failing to take action would harm the country and economy but she warned long-term supply issues must be tackled now as she announced the ban on fracking will be lifted.
She told the Commons: “This is the moment to be bold. We are facing a global energy crisis and there are no cost-free options.”
A total cost for the package will not be announced by the government until Chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng gives his first budget later this month.
But the measures are expected to reduce inflation by five per cent, in turn bringing down the cost of servicing the national debt.
The price cap controlling energy bills had been expected to go up from £1,971 to £3,549 next month for a typical family and soar next year to as much as £6,000.
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Truss energy bills move is a great start – EXPRESS LETTERS
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2 year energy price freeze.
LOL…
Like supermarkets hiking prices then announcing a short term price freeze…
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The Consultation Hub states:
“We are consulting on options to reform the Safeguard Mechanism to help industry reduce emissions in line with Australia’s climate targets. This will strengthen Australia’s competitiveness in a decarbonising global economy.”
The fact that the Gov actually believes that BS just defies me! Global competitiveness? With which country? Latvia? Certainly not with the manufacturing giants who are not beholden to the emissions con-job being perpetuated in The West.
Here’s a tip, Bowen, et al; warm hugs and pipe dreams are not an export one can cash in on!
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What is the “logic” that reducing CO2 “emissions”, which dramatically increases costs, will make companies “more competitive”? Higher costs means LESS competitive, or worse, going out of business.
Don’t any of our elected “representatives” think to ask these questions, Malcolm Roberts excepted?
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Ups their chances in the “Race to the Bottom Stakes”
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Governments don’t have any money of their own to implement these knowingly inane policies. So someone must be crazy enough to finance them.
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Remember, under these new Energy Starvation policies not a single politician, senior public serpent, any member of Leftist leadership or other Elites will go cold, hungry or without personal transport.
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Thanks to Lawrie at 11 above for his link to that most comprehensive energy transition explanation to the super TOXIC S & W disasters.
In short it is an accurate summary of the greatest mission IMPOSSIBLE in the planet’s history and it is truly terrifying.
I think that Francis Menton’s USA cost summary for S & W of 333 trillion $ is wrong and he’ll have to think again.
And our Aussie cost of about 30 TRILLION $ is probably very low as well.
Anyway it will never happen and the video shows that the change to the S & W idiocy is impossible and is delusional before we even start down that road.
I hope everyone can watch the video and the Q & A at the end.
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Elbow, Instead of $275 per year energy cost reduction, there is a greater likelihood of $2750 cost increase!
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Some Ohm Truths About the Great Green Fantasy
Peter Smith
No sane person should be fooled. A climate-cult madness has infected governments and their activist agencies; exemplar, the Australian Energy Market Operator (AEMO). Delusions of grandeur is a common manifestation of madness. Climate cultists fit the profile. Clothing themselves in virtue, they strut about proclaiming that they can save the earth from a fiery end if only we would give away the foundational building block of progress and prosperity; namely, fossil fuels.
As Stephen Kruiser puts it, they act “as if we can go from Point A to Point Z without hitting any of the 24 points between them. They truly believe that they can mandate the future.” As I said, delusions of grandeur; epitomised by AEMO and its “2022 Integrated System Plan.” A plan having the delusional and grandiose objective of engineering “a true transformation of the NEM [National Electricity Market, which excludes WA and NT] from fossil fuels to firmed renewables.”
The plan calls for the supply of electricity to “almost double” by 2050; from “just under 180 terawatt hours (TWh), to 320 TWh.” That’s an 80 percent increase not a near-doubling by the way. Bear in mind, we are told, this electricity is needed “to serve the electrification of our transport, industry, office and homes, replacing gas, petrol and other fuels.” Hold your understandable incredulity about the ability to produce so much reliable electricity without coal and gas; think about how much electricity will actually be required by 2050. It’s likely that immigration and increased productivity will at least double the size of the economy over the next 28 years. This requires no more than a modest GDP growth rate of roughly 2.5 percent per year. (In the twenty years from 2000 to 2019, growth averaged 2.9 percent per year.)
Now take into account the impact of electrifying transport. Transport uses up about 25+ percent of energy production. So not only will doubling the size of the economy require additional electricity but so will its transport component. A linear relationship, using simple arithmetic, suggests, other things equal, that the supply of electricity would need to grow by 167 percent; about twice the growth assumed by AEMO. AEMO does also bring in what it calls “distributed energy” [solar panels on roofs and pinching electricity from over-charged car batteries] and also “energy efficiency.” Still, it is very likely that the totally unrealistic aims of AEMO are nevertheless insufficient to power Australia in 2050. To wit, it’s a case of delusions being not delusional enough. Increased madness required.
Focus on some elements of the prevailing madness. The plan is to orchestrate a “a nine-fold increase in utility scale variable renewable capacity.” For the avoidance of doubt, this translates into nine-times the current number and/or size of wind and solar farms. Where will they be built? Apparently, most everywhere in Renewal Energy Zones (REZs); on and offshore. Nine times! Concentrate on that. Bear in mind that we’ve gone from the first wind turbine built in 1987 to the current number in 35 years. And in the next 28 years we are to build nine times the current build; not taking account of decay and obsolescence? Must be so, activists within AEMO have it in their plan as Point Z.
The Plan is also to build 10,000 kilometres of new transmission lines and all the big ugly pylons that carry them.
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2022 Integrated System Plan (ISP)
The 2022 ISP provides a comprehensive roadmap for the National Electricity Market. It draws on extensive stakeholder engagement and power system expertise to develop a roadmap that optimises consumer benefits through a transition period of great complexity and uncertainty.
The ISP and its optimal development path support Australia’s highly complex and rapid energy transformation towards net zero emissions, enabling low-cost renewable energy and essential transmission to provide consumers with reliable, and secure and affordable power. It serves the regulatory purpose of identifying actionable and future ISP projects, as well as the broader purposes of informing market participants, investors, policy decision makers and consumers.
The 2022 ISP, including all appendices and associated supporting materials are available below.
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Some Ohm Truths About the Great Green Fantasy – Peter Smith
Go back to 2017 and gullibly accept that Snowy 2.0 will be built by 2021 for $2 billion. Have I got a Harbour Bridge to sell you.
And so it is, in the mind of Chris Bowen and his Labor comrades, that 3.8 million Australian households will have a 7.2kw power point installed to power their EVs by 2030. Will 3.8 million households have an EV which they want to power? A good question but Bowen is working on coming up with an offer which can’t be refused. Namely, by taxing the hell out of petrol and diesel cars. And when you look at his authoritarian demeanour, it might be too risky to assume that the horse’s head will not appear under your bedclothes.
His main problem of course isn’t heavying you and me, it’s the number of electricians. It’s hard to get one to come around right now. I spoke to one from a well-known contractor last October and he told me it would be this June before my turn came up in the queue.
Notice: Required, electricians to upgrade the electrical wiring of 3.8 million households by 2030, to upgrade all connecting substations, to upgrade wiring to and from the substations. It simply can’t be done. Nothing close to it can be done, even if the electricity is available; which it won’t be if, as AEMO projects, 14GW of the remaining 23GW of coal power is withdrawn by 2030.
It’s all pie in the sky. Stalin’s and Mao’s five-year plans reprised. Real life’s such a bummer to a renewable-energy drummer.
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Find a copy of
“Harry Secombe, Peter Sellers, Spike Milligan – How To Win An Election (Or Not Lose By Much)”
https://www.discogs.com/master/154763-Harry-Secombe-Peter-Sellers-Spike-Milligan-How-To-Win-An-Election-Or-Not-Lose-By-Much
And have a listen to the Labour candidate for Minister for Transport. IIRC he follows Sir Orson Carte
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What will happen when the pollies, fake experts and greenies are sitting in cold, dark houses with no food?
They’ll wake up!
THEY will suffer the results of their delusions and fanciful dreams…
Ex Greenie Patrick Moore:
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change [IPCC] is “not a science organization,” he said. “It is a political organization composed of the World Meteorological Organization and the United Nations Environment Program.
“The IPCC hires scientists to provide them with ‘information’ that supports the ‘climate emergency’ narrative.
Their campaigns against fossil fuels, nuclear energy, CO2, plastic, etc., are misguided and designed to make people think the world will come to an end unless we cripple our civilization and destroy our economy. They are now a negative influence on the future of both the environment and human civilization.”
“Today, the left has adopted many policies that would be very destructive to civilization as they are not technically achievable. Only look at the looming energy crisis in Europe and the UK, which Putin is taking advantage of. But it is of their own making in refusing to develop their own natural gas resources, opposing nuclear energy, and adopting an impossible position on fossil fuels in general,” Moore wrote.
https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/greenpeace-co-founder-patrick-moore-says-climate-change-based-false-narratives
Energy Transition A “Dangerous Delusion”: Report
An Aug. 30 report argues that the idea of totally transitioning from fossil fuels is a “dangerous delusion.”
“The lessons of the recent decade make it clear that [solar, wind, and battery] SWB technologies cannot be surged in times of need, are neither inherently ‘clean’ nor even independent of hydrocarbons, and are not cheap,” it states.
Raw materials pose one fundamental challenge. Citing a May 2021 analysis from the International Energy Agency (IEA), Mills argued that any sweeping energy transition would require a massive increase in supplies of various minerals.
The supply of lithium, for example, would need to rise 4,200 percent.
IEA projections cited in the report suggest that rising commodity prices could drive up the prices of batteries, wind turbines, and solar panels. Electric vehicle prices are already increasing thanks to the increasing costs of raw materials.
“I don’t see it ever being 100 percent fossil free. It’s just not going to work. Can there be a higher percentage of wind and solar? Yes,” he said, adding that the world may soon face a “very interesting winter.”
Report:
https://www.manhattan-institute.org/the-energy-transition-delusion
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Thanks to Ianl above for the link to the full study of Prof P Michaux’s coverage of the true size of the energy transition to the POLLUTING + TOXIC + INSANE S & W Lunacy.
And all his DATA is available from sources such as the IEA etc. Now will our idiot pollies look at this real data and start to WAKE UP?
https://tupa.gtk.fi/raportti/arkisto/42_2021.pdf
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“Rennie Partners co-founder Matt Rennie says the climate change bill passed by the Senate today was “pretty inevitable”.
The landmark bill aims to enshrine a 43 per cent emissions reduction by 2030 and net zero by 2050 into law, while establishing formal review processes from the Climate Change Authority.
“It’s now almost obvious, I guess, that Australia needed to commit to net zero in order to maintain its international position,” Mr Rennie told Sky News Australia.
“And certainly European based businesses that operate in Australia are already operating in this way and the financial community is almost becoming the new UN, I guess, in enforcing some of these carbon reduction initiatives.” “
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It’s a bit like King Canute declaring, ‘ Tide, I command thee to halt.’
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King Canute has been getting bad press.
‘In the story, Canute demonstrates to his flattering courtiers that he has no control over the elements (the incoming tide), explaining that secular power is vain compared to the supreme power of God.
‘The episode is frequently alluded to in contexts where the futility of “trying to stop the tide” of an inexorable event is pointed out, but usually misrepresenting Canute as believing he had supernatural powers, when Huntingdon’s story in fact relates the opposite.’ (wiki)
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More like “The Emporers new clothes” to me.
The Ruler (Albo, Bowen, etc), just do not see how rediculous their new policies are,..
…whilst most of those watching are too scared to tell him the truth !
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With enough blackouts, the 43% reduction should be easy to get to!
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Here is how the real World works…………………
Ever heard of Spring?
http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR712.loop.shtml#skip
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“Canute set his throne by the sea shore and commanded the incoming tide to halt and not wet his feet and robes. Yet “continuing to rise as usual [the tide] dashed over his feet and legs without respect to his royal person.”
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We elected a cognitively impaired 79 yr old man as president, Jo.
Don’t be so dramatic. 😉
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