Patrick Byrne of Overstock has been poring through the data: This election was rigged — deeply

Patrick Byrne, founder of OverStock, a $2b e-commerce company, and also got some fame for his battle against illegal naked short selling and work to break up Wall St corruption around 2005. He’s a Dartmouth, Cambridge, Stanford, Maths and Philosophy guy. A data man.

Worth Watching: There are at least ten ways to hack an election

Some paraphrased snippets:

“We have clear evidence that they are targeting certain congressmen. I believe they are going to find two Republicans. I think it’s going to turn out that one of these Republicans at a State level may have got “election insurance”. The promise they would keep being elected. The sum involved to purchase Dominion machines was $100 million.

“Every state that uses Dominion — we should investigate who signed the order to bring it in. No one who did due diligence would.

“Call your state legislature — send them this video –Anyone who signs these “Cert” forms should go to jail. They have personal legal liability.

Details of the technique plus “more coming out tomorrow”:

The five city “Drop and Roll” technique of vote fraud

In the Drop and roll technique, they shut the voting down, calculate what they need, then drop a batch in to “Catch up”. After that they roll out for example, 53 batches in a row and each batch measures exactly 51.2% for Biden and 48.8% for Trump and they roll that difference forward. All this will be released tomorrow.

The five cities where the deep cheating went on:    Atlanta, Philadelphia, Milwaukee, Detroit, and Maracopa County, Arizona. They hide behind black regions so then they will call you a racist if you question it.

He posts on Deepcapture.com and promises more information on this to come.

He has put “a lot” of money into Sidney Powells work, and suggests people help DefendingTheRepublic.Org. It’s not 100% clear if he knew Sidney was disconnected from the Trump team when he said this — but he recommended her donation page.

Again, in this month in the twilight zone of censorship there are some wild claims, just dropped in there as an aside…

“Past election fraud? I don’t want to get ahead of the data, but it may have happened in 2012. It (fraud) was supposed to happen in 2016 for Hillary but it was shut down. I know exactly who shut it down. It’s one of the reasons why Hillary didn’t feel the need to campaign too much.

Who knows what to make of that, except to say that we know there was software in existence that could have played a role. If it could have been used, would it… ?

There is something reassuring about knowing that people who are otherwise sharp and successful are volunteering to get involved.

Still waiting for that evidence.

Though there is always this: Hereistheevidence.com

h/t Scott of the Pacific.

 

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210 comments to Patrick Byrne of Overstock has been poring through the data: This election was rigged — deeply

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    Simon

    If he had evidence on the Dominion machines, why didn’t he approach CISA with his concerns before the election happened? The deep state conspiracy requires everyone to be in on it and that’s just not possible.

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      Or, it’s a culture and the crowd can rationalize helping to stop Hitler, “it’s a means to an ends”.
      If votes can be tweaked electronically, and connected to a server, how many people need to be involved?

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        Jojodogfacedboy

        They are also going to make sure it never happens again by wanting to jail President Trump and disbarring all lawyers who helped him and no doubt like last time trap many other people in perjury charges should they not lawyer up and are caught in the smallest of lies.

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        This website seems to be working for the moment so I have to say something fast. All three of my different internet browsers were taking me to that “1775” article, and after reading it 14 times, I wondered why this website was so interested in 1775.

        The Byrne video is interesting, but lacks supporting evidence. There is too little time to change the 2020 election, BUT there is time to head off even more fraud in the January 2021 Georgia runoff election. If nothing is done this year, Democrats will take two Senate seats by any means necessary in January 2021.

        I suppose ANY brand of vote counting computer software could be programmed to create a false count. Here’s what I would do: Program the counter to ignore one of every five votes for the candidate you want to lose, but only for the 24 hours after polls close on election day. Then the computer would return to correct vote counting forever after, just in case someone wants to test it after the election, with a batch of, let’s say, 100 ballots.

        I hope I didn’t give Democrats in George any ideas.

        Here in Detroit, we just kick the Republican ballot counting watchers out of the building, paper over the windows, so they can’t even look in, and then we run a big batch of predominately pro-Biden ballots through the counting machines a few times. Reprogramming the computer is too complicated for us.

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          Wayne County Michigan just certified the Wayne County vote — strongly pro-Biden.

          Three members voted yes, and one abstained from voting.

          They never contested enough votes to make a difference anyway — about 200 to 500 votes contested in a state Biden won by over 150,000 votes.

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            Hanrahan

            If cheating doesn’t make a difference to the result, why is it done? It is a felony after all.

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            beowulf

            You’re telling us that a Republican has rescinded his/her previous rescindment and gone against their own sworn affidavits of intimidation and threats against their family by Democrat Electors and others?

            Three quarters of the Wayne County votes were found to be compromised where poll books did not match the list of qualified voters or the required chain of custody, but the vote is above board? That’s a lot more than 500 votes.

            One Republican buckled and one was silenced: sounds like someone made them an even bigger “offer they can’t refuse” than the first round of intimidation.

            Once a result has been certified at state level can a subsequent SCOTUS ruling overturn that certification?

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              beowolf
              Three quarters of the voting precincts had a mismatch between the votes counted and the “poll books”, whatever they are.

              That is considered good news in Detroit. It only sounds bad — the 2020 mismatches were actually fewer than in 2016, when Trump won Michigan.

              The net errors add up to less than 500 votes — meaningless when Biden won the state by 150,000 votes.

              As usual, this does not consider whether every vote counted was a legal vote.

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                crakar24

                No……..70% of the precincts had more votes than registered voters, some precincts had more votes than people in the precinct that includes those too young to vote. They stuff the ballot box so much to mildly reflect the digital version they over cooked the books.

                Michigan and Pennsylvania: not sure if they can ever work out who won so may just write them off as a bad joke.

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                Gnrnr

                Steven Crowder was having a lo0ok at the Wayne Country numbers. Over 173,000 votes were cast in districts with 0 registered voters. All were mail in ballots.

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              crakar24

              This certification does not mean much really its the state certification that counts, the problem becomes if you certify a vote you know is fraudulent then you are committing a crime and for some both D and R this will be the case.

              In addition you can certify all you like and if the fraud extends to a few dead people voting then no probs however this fraud seems to run very deep via dominion and if so i dont think certification will really count for much by that stage.

              Putin said recently he is yet to congratulate Xiden on his victory although he was hard to understand with a mouth full of popcorn

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            crakar24

            it only lacks supporting evidence because you have not seen it, why should you see it before a trial? you are not the judge so dont judge what he is saying.

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              (polly want a) Klacker 24
              The state of Michigan vote has been certified.

              The Wall Street Journal said this:

              “Michigan officials on Monday certified the Nov. 3 election results, and Pennsylvania moved closer to ratifying President-elect Joe Biden’s victory, following efforts by President Trump and his supporters to delay final approval of the outcome.”

              70 percent of precincts did NOT have more votes than registered voters. You are a crackpot to make that claim.

              It’s all over in Michigan.

              I did my part to help Trump.

              Voted for him. My first vote outside my favored libertarian party since 1980. Wrote at least six articles about the Biden Crime Family on my politics blog, starting in summer 2019. Wrote two eight page articles listing Trump Administration accomplishments in my former newsletter ECONOMIC LOGIC. Amazing how little was reported by the mainstream media. Trump is an obnoxious blabbermouth. Biden is a very corrupt politician, LONG past his prime. Two “subprime” candidates, in my opinion. I voted against the crook, and for the one that supported free markets.

              Joe Biden was hidin’ and his mind is slidin’ … but he won anyway, and there’s not enough time to prove election fraud, because once mail in ballots are separated from their envelopes, with the signature on them, you can’t prove much.

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                Karen

                I live in Pittsburgh Allegheny County. I requested a mail in ballot for the 2020 primary and was sent one for the November election (didn’t request it). Because of that I had to vote a provisional ballot. Poll workers said I had to use one. I didn’t know that mail in ballots can be surrendered or spoiled at the poll and you can vote there, then. Poll workers were uninformed and many other people in this district had the same problem. My vote for Trump was not counted. I’m in the process of trying to have ballots NOT sent to me! At least I know now about SPOILING MY BALLOT if Allegheny County doesn’t stop sending them. I agree with your assessment of the candidates but we need your help libertarians!

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            Detroit poll watcher Articia Romer says:
            “I don’t have faith in any election system after having witnessed this fraud happen right before my eyes,”

            Full story at my politics blog
            http://www.ElectionCircus.Blogspot.com

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            beowulf

            Rudy Giuliani on the 200/300/400% over-vote rates in Detroit. Nothing to see here. Go back to your knitting. Joe won.

            I’m waiting for the rescindment of the rescindment of the recant.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tg6cTNOBqoA

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              beofluff
              That overvote did not happen.

              You are either a crackpot, or a fool.
              Or a crackpot, and a fool … who wears a bicycle helmet at all times, lined with tin foil, to protect against cosmic rays and extraterrestrial space dust.
              Haardy har har
              Tin foil is for old fogies.
              I line my bicycle helmet with titanium foil. Because I am a man of science.

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        Ian

        JoNova can you fix the title? It is not a good look to have “Pouring” rather than the correct “Poring” on the front page

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          I think it would look better as pawing.

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            Kalm Keith

            Wow.

            Just look at that. Wow.

            Two PhDs attacking Jo over a piddling autocorrect mishap.

            Which reminds me, where is Seedy?

            KK

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              you have a funny definition of attacking.

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                Mark D.

                Why is that “funny”?

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                Kalm Keith

                Actually I agree with your comment. It’s more appropriate than what’s in the headline.

                The other one, just look at it.

                I just couldn’t resist the idea of two PhDs together on Jo’s blog mucking about with trivia as if they had nothing better to do. 🙂

                KK

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              Ian

              Attacking? By politely pointing out a mistake that is easily corrected? And KK if you read more comments you will find others have made the same suggestion to JoNova?

              Are you feeling a little angry as you read that after the head of General Services Administration, Emily Murphy, chose to effectively recognise Joe Biden as the winner of the election and begin the formal transition process?

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                JP

                Why Would the GSA start giving China Joe money for his Transition team ? I thought they had to wait for the Electoral Vote ? OR were some upset over his asking Taxpayers to help Fund his Transition team ? He had it posted on-line with a spot for you to click and Donate. The comments were good . Some told him to get it from His Son from His China and Ukraine money .Some said, to put” Heels up Harris”‘ on a street corner and she might come up with a few dollar bills .
                There were comments like , Get a Second job. Wow you spend those Billions in Campaign donations already ?
                I was surprised that he would ask the Public that are having a hard time paying rent and buying food for their families , But I guess that’s the Demonutz way !

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              Here in Michigan we have had an emergency meeting overnight meeting on the article title:

              “Pruning” was preferred by the
              Old Geezers of Michigan Club

              “Prancing” was preferred by the
              Gay Boys of Michigan, Not That There’s Anything Wrong With That, Club

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        Evidence Please Please

        Or, Jo, there is no evidence.
        Why are you so desperate to believe anything ?.

        [EPP, why are you compelled to so vigorously argue when these things will work themselves out? Are you afraid of something worse than a fraudulent vote result? Do you love Joe Biden so much that you are willing to tolerate all possibility of dishonesty in getting his win?] ED

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          Evidence Please Please

          Dear ED
          Above all, I love the truth which means evidence.
          All the intellectually insulting lawsuits are being thrown out due to NO evidence.
          This crock is another low point.

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          sophocles

          another “Useful Idiot” — attacking the Messenger, not the message.

          “Please please please: don’t have the Great Reset without me! I’ll be a good little

          Socialist Pawn … I Promise! ”

          Really, “Evidence Please Please.
          There is no evidence.

          Are Ovis aries or Capra aegagrus hircus relatives of yours?
          There is plenty of evidence. You only have to open your eyes and look.

          Do you only give credence to the Legacy Media? They are in on this so of course, they are not reporting it. There are plenty of clues in what other commenters on this blog are saying. At least they aren’t sitting on their chuffs and bleating.

          Gods Above. I had no problem finding reports and reporting. None of it uses the Legacy Media,
          but there’s lots and lots of information out there… Open Your Eyes and Look. Stop behaving like a spring nestling.

          Here are some facts for you:
          Two videos YOU should watch all the way through…

          Bill Gates and Microsoft are alleged to have “done” the “Trump attack” software
          (here: https://www.bitchute.com/video/6BML26UBu0A5“)

          Trump must be prevented from winning at any cost because Schwab’s “Great Reset” is to occur next Northern Summer. That’s about six months away.

          America is at war, make no mistake about it. The American Supreme Court is taking over as of this last weekend, as they are constitutionally able to. That alone is evidence there is something wrong.

          (see this Bitchute video — INFO WARS — https://www.bitchute.com/video/rWHw8spO43Zn/)

          We live in Interesting Times.

          Now shurrup and let the SCOTUS Justices do their jobs.

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          PhilJourdan

          There is plenty of evidence. Jo posted a link to a site with a lot of evidence, and here is another – https://sharylattkisson.com/2020/11/hard-to-find-2020-election-fraud-stories-and-links/

          Your problem is English comprehension. What you are demanding is Proof. Not evidence. Proof is very rare. But not necessary. Just a “Preponderance” of Evidence.

          Learn the language.

          [Was caught in spam]ED

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        John R Smith

        I believe this blog exist as result of a conspiracy.
        A few activists are able get scientist costumes.
        A susceptible public.
        An official sounding sciency name like IPCC.
        Mike’s nature trick.
        Some people that see the gorilla.
        And here we are.
        Doesn’t take much.

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        Ian

        It seems as if Trump maybe bowing to the inevitable

        “Donald Trump has accepted the formal transition process for Joe Biden’s administration needs to move forward but says he will continue to fight to overturn the election result.

        Mr Trump was commenting after the head of General Services Administration, Emily Murphy, chose to effectively recognise Joe Biden as the winner of the election and begin the formal transition process.”

        https://tinyurl.com/y67xcmav

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          Greg Cavanagh

          It’s surprising, but it may not be consequential. Apparently there is funding made available so he can get his team trained up and relocated. If that’s all it is, then who cares.

          I do however seriously fear the outcome if this apparent fraud turns out to be real and of the scale suggested, AND goes to Biden regardless. There will never be a Republican in power again, as this result will give them a free license to lie, cheat and steal. There are clearly no consequences for what we already know.

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          We can only hope that Trump puts boatloads of executive actions in the way of Biden’s destructive agenda. The courts have already ruled that executive actions are hard to overturn (DACA for example), so at the very least, a Biden administration needs to be tied up in the courts for its duration.

          A simple excutive action I would be in favor of is to require that no future executive actions or legislation can be based on only one side of controversial science.

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        Tim C

        Jo, none of these machines are connected to the internet, precisely to stop hacking. Nor do they have any ports that can be connected to other machines or permit anything from being downloaded onto the machines.

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          Neil Crafter

          I have seen reports from an IT savvy guy in one of the counting centres say that he noticed some of these machines were in fact connected to the internet, so how you can say that “none of these machines” were connected is way beyond your possible knowledge. They shouldn’t be, but that doesn’t mean that they weren’t, as witnesses have observed to the contrary.

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          Gnrnr

          And yet the data is processed on Servers in Spain and Germany…. Obviously they could be moving it around on usb’s but more likely at least somewhere it is connected to the net.

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          BBA

          Tim C,

          The election data is uploaded and transmitted to the TV networks. That is where the “scrawl” on the bottom of the TV comes from. The systems are connected to the internet. To argue they are not makes you look foolish.

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      PeterS

      Depending on the circumstances and environment, it can take just one person to commit fraud on a mass scale. With regards to the Dominion software it appears, albeit not proven as yet in court that it is flawed due to the back-door connections that can be used to alger and flip votes. That in itself should not be a feature under any circumstances. IMHO any state election that used that software should be fully investigated and if necessary disqualified. If enough states are disqualified to the extent that neither Biden nor Trump achieves the requisite 270 college votes then they go to the next step of one vote one state for the whole US.

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      Spetzer86

      Or he needed to wait until after the vote to have data to show that the steal was happening? Supposedly, Trump didn’t have legal standing regarding voter fraud until after the election.

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        David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

        Could it be true that Biden has now actually committed a fraud by accepting Federal transition money knowing it to be based on invalid votes and counting procedures?
        And is his instruction to Federal officers to co-operate with the Biden people the set of magic words to “awaken the Kraken”?
        Cheers
        Dave B

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          Serp

          I’m not sure Joe could be adjudged to have the mental capacity for a criminal enterprise; still, a miscarriage of justice is not an uncommon event in the Anglosphere.

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      Greg Cavanagh

      A conspiracy only requires two people to agree. It does not mean that one has masterminded it as you imply.

      In this case, many many people agree and they are all motivated to do whatever it takes, yourself included. It does not require coordination at all for a mass movement to appear.

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      Tim C

      If he really has evidence why hasn’t he joined Giuliani and presented it to the courts, rather that just making unfounded allegations?

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    Lance

    Very likely Virginia was “flipped” as well.

    https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/11/its_in_the_code_hankypanky_in_virginias_votes.html

    “In Line 2 you see what was probably the running count of the total votes before the fakers got to work — 3,572,807 votes.

    In Line 3, at 12:12 AM, the fraud began, by calling up data that looks like was from an hour earlier. Total votes suddenly shrank to 3,199,165, a loss of 373,462 votes.

    In an honest election the vote totals never go backwards.”

    But, now, the fraudsters are “caught” by their own data.

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      RickWill

      The JSON feed from NYT is still available. The next lines are extracted from the Michigan feed:

      80,”eevp_source”:”edison”,”timestamp”:”2020-11-04T11:14:33Z”},{“vote_shares”:{“trumpd”:0.513,”bidenj”:0.47},”votes”:4564424,”eevp”:81,”eevp_source”:”edison”,”timestamp”:”2020-11-04T11:14:48Z”},{“vote_shares”:{“trumpd”:0.513,”bidenj”:0.47},”votes”:4565175,”eevp”:81,”eevp_source”:”edison”,”timestamp”:”2020-11-04T11:26:47Z”},{“vote_shares”:{“trumpd”:0.513,”bidenj”:0.47},”votes”:4574555,”eevp”:81,”eevp_source”:”edison”,”timestamp”:”2020-11-04T11:31:48Z”},{“vote_shares”:{“trumpd”:0.498,”bidenj”:0.485},”votes”:4724327,”eevp”:83,”eevp_source”:”edison”,”timestamp”:”2020-11-04T11:31:53Z”},{“vote_shares”:{“trumpd”:0.498,”bidenj”:0.485},”votes”:4734623,”eevp”:

      The count was moving along at about 1000 votes every minute or so for hours then there was a 200,000 jump in 5 SECONDS. I know this has been mentioned before but it is interesting to see it in the NYT feed. If I was certifying Michigan, I would like to know what happened in the 5 second after 11:31:48. Those 200k votes took Trump from 0.513 to 0.498, so decisive in the outcome.

      This is the data source:
      https://static01.nyt.com/elections-assets/2020/data/api/2020-11-03/race-page/michigan/president.json

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      RickWill

      This is the feed for Virginia:
      https://static01.nyt.com/elections-assets/2020/data/api/2020-11-03/race-page/virginia/president.json

      And the weird backward counting:
      75,”eevp_source”:”edison”,”timestamp”:”2020-11-04T04:51:06Z”},{“vote_shares”:{“bidenj”:0.524,”trumpd”:0.459},”votes”:3521934,”eevp”:75,”eevp_source”:”edison”,”timestamp”:”2020-11-04T04:52:47Z”},{“vote_shares”:{“bidenj”:0.524,”trumpd”:0.459},”votes”:3524417,”eevp”:75,”eevp_source”:”edison”,”timestamp”:”2020-11-04T04:56:22Z”},{“vote_shares”:{“bidenj”:0.524,”trumpd”:0.459},”votes”:3524459,”eevp”:75,”eevp_source”:”edison”,”timestamp”:”2020-11-04T05:04:43Z”},{“vote_shares”:{“bidenj”:0.524,”trumpd”:0.46},”votes”:3572807,”eevp”:76,”eevp_source”:”edison”,”timestamp”:”2020-11-04T05:07:23Z”},{“vote_shares”:{“bidenj”:0.482,”trumpd”:0.502},”votes”:3199165,”eevp”:76,”eevp_source”:”edison”,”timestamp”:”2020-11-04T05:12:38Z”},{“vote_shares”:{“bidenj”:0.488,”trumpd”:0.495},”votes”:3390813,”eevp”:76,”eevp_source”:”edison”,”timestamp”:”2020-11-04T05:26:21Z”},{“vote_shares”:{“bidenj”:0.519,”trumpd”:0.465},”votes”:3782386,”eevp”:80,”eevp_source”:”edison”,”timestamp”:”2020-11-04T05:26:48Z”},{“vote_shares”:{“bidenj”:0.488,”trumpd”:0.495},”votes”:3390813,”eevp”:80,”eevp_source”:”edison”,”timestamp”:”2020-11-04T05:30:56Z”},{“vote_shares”:{“bidenj”:0.49,”trumpd”:0.494},”votes”:3439609,”eevp”:

      The drop of 400k votes put Trump ahead but order was soon restored.

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      RickWill

      This is Georgia:
      https://static01.nyt.com/elections-assets/2020/data/api/2020-11-03/race-page/georgia/president.json

      4365353,”eevp”:85,”eevp_source”:”edison”,”timestamp”:”2020-11-04T06:19:49Z”},{“vote_shares”:{“trumpd”:0.523,”bidenj”:0.464},”votes”:4394834,”eevp”:86,”eevp_source”:”edison”,”timestamp”:”2020-11-04T06:21:49Z”},{“vote_shares”:{“trumpd”:0.52,”bidenj”:0.467},”votes”:4463227,”eevp”:87,”eevp_source”:”edison”,”timestamp”:”2020-11-04T06:23:49Z”},{“vote_shares”:{“trumpd”:0.52,”bidenj”:0.467},”votes”:4463897,”eevp”:87,”eevp_source”:”edison”,”timestamp”:”2020-11-04T06:32:50Z”},{“vote_shares”:{“trumpd”:0.508,”bidenj”:0.48},”votes”:4626656,”eevp”:90,”eevp_source”:”edison”,”timestamp”:”2020-11-04T06:34:49Z”},{“vote_shares”:{“trumpd”:0.506,”bidenj”:0.481},”votes”:

      For those 2 minutes, Biden outvoted Trump by 136k to 29k. There was no other period where the ratio was much different to 50/50.

      I have no idea how NYT gets this feed but it certainly raises question that I would like to understand if I was certifying results.

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    Roger Knights

    “Poring,” not “Pouring.”

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      Kalm Keith

      True.

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      Serp

      Typically one pores over not through; you could paw through. You’ve exhibited a disappointing deficiency in literacy there Jo.

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        Kalm Keith

        But forgiveness is next to ____ __.
        🙂

        I’m going to buy some chocolate right now.

        As Peter P says, Jo is doing amazing work here.

        KK

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          Serp

          I’m in full agreement with you Kalm Keith. Jo is carrying this battle forward largely alone (although Kerry Wakefield has done a single page in the current Spectator Australia).

          Fraud at this scale can not be allowed to prevail. There isn’t room on the page to enumerate all the gains which will be rolled back by a puppet administration with the deadbeat Biden at its head.

          I’ve no confidence this supposed military investigation in January is actually on foot; one can feel the walls of global totalitarian rule closing in.

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          PeterPetrum

          Thanks KK. I will be doing the same very soon.

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        Ted O'Brien.

        Now I thought I saw two such errors, but put them down to autocorrect and haste

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    PeterS

    For all those who think all this fuss is a waste of time or silly watch the video below. We have a right to be suspicious of the election. We need it resolved in the courts to verify or quash our fears. At least it would be peaceful. The alternative is to be avoided at all costs but I fear it won’t be. It would be nice if both Biden and Trump gave each other an olive branch and worked together to get to the bottom of this for the sake of their nation, even if one of them ends up in prison. It would be the honourable thing to do. Of course I very much doubt that will happen.

    You have every right to be suspicious

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    John F. Hultquist

    I’ve previously noted that I think the election will stand. The U. S. Constitution and later regulations establish dates and procedures. These are like being etched on Titanium and set in concrete behind hardened armor.
    The individual states (“republics”) establish and implement voting, both for in-state and national elections. Folks in Washington D. C. do not control the state’s elections.
    The investigations being pushed by DJT’s team may lead to criminal charges. Pursuing the charges may vary considerably depending on the attorneys-general of the area in which the misdeeds occurred.

    I look of Biden to be President for awhile.
    First thought was that he will be gone by September of 2021.
    Second thought is that he will be allowed to stay for 2 years.
    Once the 2-year period has passed, Harris can serve a less than 2 year period and then be elected for two terms – thus be president for almost 10 years.
    There was no sense to her being on the 2020 ticket unless the “establishment” had such a plan in place when she dropped her campaign after slamming Biden hard on the race issue.

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      PeterS

      You are right about the timing but jumping the gun on the outcome. Let the courts decided, not you or anyone else. Due process of the Constitution must be adhered to. For example,
      The Fifth Amendment says to the federal government that no one shall be “deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law.” The Fourteenth Amendment, ratified in 1868, uses the same eleven words, called the Due Process Clause, to describe a legal obligation of all states.

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    PeterS

    Time to arm America with facts
    Same applies here in Australia. Time to defund the ABC if we are to avoid the same fear of a civil war some time down the road as the people are inevitably polarised more and more by the fake news.

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    Drapetomania

    Kill Chain: The Cyber War on America’s Elections (2020) Official Trailer | HBO
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwSVN_dgio8

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      PeterS

      It goes to show the MSM has forgotten their main purpose when the masses have to resort to watching movies to find the truth. Sad really.

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    OldOzzie

    5 More Ways Joe Biden Magically Outperformed Election Norms

    Surely the journalist class should be intrigued by the historic implausibility of Joe Biden’s victory. That they are not is curious, to say the least.

    1. 80 Million Votes
    2. Winning Despite Losing Most Bellwether Counties
    3. Biden Trailed Clinton Except in a Select Few Cities
    4. Biden Won Despite Democrat Losses Everywhere Else
    5. Biden Overcame Trump’s Commanding Primary Vote

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      The article is good but I don’t see how 80 million votes tells you much. Trump inspired people to vote FOR him or AFAINST him.

      One item the article missed, that I thought was most important:
      Biden barely campaigned, and drew small crowds when he did.
      He “campaigned” like he was just going through the motions, knowing the vote was fixed, and there was no need to campaign. When Trump caught COVID, it looked smart to stay in the basement and show everyone you were acting appropriately during the pandemic. … But when Trump started campaigning a week later, with a hectic schedule, and HUGE crowds, any normal opponent would step up his own campaign. But Biden campaigned even less, Like it didn’t matter.

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        Tel

        Has any other presidential candidate been successful using the strategy of not campaigning and depending on voters to turn up for the first time in their lives to vote AGAINST a sitting President?

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        Richard Jenkins

        I doubt Biden got 60,000 000 legitimate votes. The Democrats thought their lies had reduced Trump’ssupport and they were ready to dump sufficient votes in the necessary counties. They had to panic as Trump had done extraordinarily well. 7 Heading towards 72,000,000 votes was beyond belief. Seems many more than that voted for Trump and got ‘dominated’ to Biden, the dead woke illegals foud registrations and forms came from thin air. Anybody who even hints there is no evidence has to be incompetent , blind or unable to do simple maths., . On the numbers acknowledged for Trump he has more votes than any president ever. For Biden to catch and pas is improbable without the fraud Biden had acknowledged was going to happen in one of his ‘senior’ moments before the election.

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    Drapetomania

    Simon
    November 24, 2020 at 3:11 am
    “The deep state conspiracy requires everyone to be in on it and that’s just not possible”

    Hilarious attempt at a false dilemma.
    Did the “russigate” hoax require “everyone to be in on it” ?
    Did the Clinto server destruction and subversion of the law regarding her private server require “everyone to be in on it”
    And on and on…
    I even posted a documentary above called “Kill Chain”..please watch it 🙂

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      Tel

      Did the “russigate” hoax require “everyone to be in on it” ?

      They never offered me a pay off … I would have settled at one mil square, but I never even got an offer. Sore? Maybe a touch.

      Did the Clinto server destruction and subversion of the law regarding her private server require “everyone to be in on it”

      Do you remember back when they put Lois Lerner’s hard drive through the shredder? Because it “more than likely crashed due to an impact of some sort”. Then they accidentally-on-purpose destroyed her Blackberry, soon afterwards … remember that?

      And then … golly … they managed to erase the backup tapes as well. I mean, what are the chances?

      https://www.dailysignal.com/2015/06/25/irs-employees-erased-422-backup-tapes-containing-24000-of-lois-lerners-emails/

      Could happen to anyone right? You could be honestly trying to pay your tax, and then for no reason you lose your hard drive, and your mobile device gets destroyed, and you lose all your backups … and that’s just normal and then how could anyone pay their tax in such a situation? I fully accept that … it’s reasonable to accept that.

      There’s absolutely none of this “conspiracy” here. None whatsoever.

      Look … if even if they did pay me the paltry $1 mil I was asking (they never paid but hypothetically if they did) I would still say no conspiracy here.

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    Small Footprint

    Have to admire the tenacity of this website, but why is politics filled as global warming?

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      Gbees

      If you don’t know how this US election will affect the global warming agenda, then there is no help for you.

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      Greg Cavanagh

      If you read the masthead you’ll find “A perfectly good civilization is going to waste…

      This is Jo’s site and she posts articles which are inline with her interests.

      This site is about wasted money and wasted resources on an industrial scale. There’s a lot of width to play with.

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      el gordo

      SF its just another conspiracy, apparently, that is why its hidden among AGW.

      Jo’s earlier comment that its all about ‘helping to stop Hitler’ is fanciful and I look forward to discussing global cooling again.

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      robert rosicka

      Politics and CAGW are inextricably linked , if it wasn’t for politics Victoriastan would still be powered by coal and hydro only .
      And South Australia wouldn’t be in the mess they are in trying to keep the lights on .

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        el gordo

        It is what it is, coal fired power stations will be back in vogue when Australia rediscovers secondary industry. We have to become more self reliant and avoid life as a Beijing satrap.

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          Sceptical Sam

          Australia will discover secondary industry when the input costs allow it to compete internationally.

          Coal and gas fired power is the cheapest energy input.

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          Sceptical Sam

          Australia will discover secondary industry when the input costs allow it to compete internationally.

          Coal and gas fired power is the cheapest energy input.

          [Duplicate]

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            Sceptical Sam

            Duplicate. Sorry. I don’t know how that happened.

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            Sceptical Sam

            Duplicate. Sorry. I don’t know how that happened.

            [Oh the Irony.]AD

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              el gordo

              ‘Coal and gas fired power is the cheapest energy input.’

              They will remain an integral part of the system because renewables are useless and we only need enough secondary industry to be self sufficient. This is not for export, so small scale operations could open up to satisfy local need.

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      RickWill

      The site is a mixture of both politics and religion. US presidential election falls in the former category and Climate Change belongs in the latter.

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      Small Footprint

      So like holding a press conference in a landscapers, sacking your legal team, this is a measure for competency?

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      Simon

      Three possible reasons:
      1. Anthropogenic climate change is so undeniable that the only way out is to invoke a massive conspiracy.
      2. The only world leaders who deny climate change are populists and wannabe dictators who will use any means to cling to power.
      3. This is actually a blog for promoting far-out conspiracy theories.

      It always amazes me that those who claim to be sceptics invariably turn out to be the most gullible of all.

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        Ha ha ha!

        Anthropogenic climate change is so undeniable that the only way out is to invoke a massive conspiracy.

        You just don’t get, do you?

        They picked CO2 to rail against, knowing that it’s impossible to get it back to nett zero, a weasel term if I ever heard one.

        Wait till they turn off those coal fired power plants, and Natural gas fired plants.

        Wait till they try to get rid of those ICE vehicles on the roads of the developed World.

        Neither will happen.

        Think about it for a minute.

        If those CO2 emissions from coal fired power plants were the danger we are told, they would have been closed down years, well, decades ago, and the same with the cars on the roads.

        They would have stopped those Countries from building those coal fired plants with 50 plus years life spans.

        They would have stopped those Conglomerates from designing and constructing new generators, turbines, and all the infrastructure about them, either that or those conglomerates would have seen the writing on the wall, knowing it was a money losing effort and shut it all up, but no, they have just powered ahead with all new equipment and more in the pipelines.

        If you think the current ‘political’ anarchy is out of control, wait till they start blacking out whole Countries. See what happens then.

        I love you people who have no comprehension whatsoever of anything to do with electrical power generation.

        I’m 70 years old now, but I know one thing for sure and certain.

        I’m going to die laughing my fu****g head off.

        Tony.

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          Lance

          You’re not wrong, Tony. Reality has the final vote.

          I’m going to grow older whilst watching the idiots destroy each other and themselves.

          “Old age, cunning, and Wisdom will overcome Youth and Ignorance, not by force of power, but by time and experience”.

          It would be surprising if anyone under 40 yrs can actually survive without all the things those over 40 maintain, create, and provide. Including my own son.

          All it takes to bring modernity to its knees is for the Truckers, Plumbers, Electricians, technical/hourly workers, and Engineers, to take a 2 week holiday. Societies cannot survive more than 3 days without food, power, water, wastewater, etc, before civil war happens over a ham sandwich or a bottle of water.

          Politicians don’t rule the world. Ordinary people do, by consent and agreement.

          Take away that consent, and things get ugly, quickly, and without remorse.

          I’d rather not be in a city. Their choices will be fewer.

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        Strop

        It always amazes me that those who claim to be sceptics invariably turn out to be the most gullible of all.

        Please list the apparent many examples of that.

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          el gordo

          I think Simon is probably correct on that point, but to be fair we were knocked over by Covid 19 and debating ‘elimination’ or ‘herd immunity’. It was tearing the place apart.

          The election is divisive issue linked to biblical fantasy, its a veritable minefield of political intrigue which should be settled in due course.

          On AGW I think Simon is wrong about the significance of CO2 altering weather and climate.

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            Strop

            What’s biblical fantasy and what’s the link between the election and biblical fantasy?

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            Serp

            Small Footprint and Simon could become a tag team extraordinaire with their niggling shtick but need to pursue the engineering goal of “more light and less heat” or eventually nobody will respond to their thrusts and they’ll drift away as so many have done before them.

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            Kalm Keith

            El Gordo,

            Why are your comments always so “inscrutable”.

            Please, say something that means something.

            The dead sea trio are here and hard at work clogging the blog but you apparently see beauty and reason in their comments.

            Why is it that many of us see that their comments are just intrusion for the sake of it, and that there’s a marked similarity in expression to be seen on the blog “Skeptical Skience”.

            The very fact that this blog, here, was debating woke terms like elimination and herd immunity means that we, a group of intelligent people, were sensibly looking for the Truth.

            No one person has all the answers but together we can often get very close to the Truth, and in this confused overloaded digital world that’s an achievement.

            KK

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        David

        It’s the whole nature of science to be sceptical. By definition.

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          Kalm Keith

          David, I think you’ve missed the point with Simon and the DST, This isn’t a debate, just absorb what you’re being told.
          They already know everything and are just here to “clog the blog”.

          Very Democratic.

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    OldOzzie

    Making Sense Of The News About Sidney Powell

    The “it’s all over” viewpoint. Powell overpromised and she’s become a source of danger and mortification who must be jettisoned.

    The “there is a deep game afoot” viewpoint.

    Here are the moving parts behind this approach:

    1. The facts about Dominion and Smartmatic, above.

    2. The strong statistical indication about voter fraud, also above.

    3. Powell’s statement to Larry O’Connor on Friday that she represents the people, not the president:

    4. The information that Michael Flynn Jr. and Lin Wood provided about the administration separating from Powell for financial reasons and her still being in the fight.

    Currently, I believe this election was marked by epic fraud. You cannot convince me that Biden, who got 5 or 6 people to his rallies, as opposed to the 52,000 or so at Trump’s rallies in Pennsylvania, ended with more votes than Obama.

    Nobody ever said proving this fraud would be easy (or, sadly, even possible). I’m treating unfolding like an epic novel with a surprise ending. I just wish I knew whether it was going to be a happy or a tragic ending.

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      Peter C

      The Sidney Powell sacking is still a bit mysterious. One day she was a spokesperson for the team and next day!

      So Far;
      1. It seems to be true
      2. It was sudden and unexpected. What caused it?

      It might have something to do with her statement that she was going to ‘Blow up Georgia’, which perhaps was off script.
      https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/politics/sidney-powell-undermined-georgia-gop-during-crucial-senate-runoff-before-trump-campaign-cut-her-loose/ar-BB1bgXWK?ocid=msedgntp

      Since then the Republican Georgia Governor Brian Kemp and Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger have both certified the election result so they did the dirty on Trump anyway.

      Hopefully Sidney Powell has Secret Service protection.

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        Lance

        Ms Powell was not officially representing Trump or his campaign. She never signed a legal retainer agreement and was not paid by Trump or his campaign.

        Trump is pursuing legal remedies allowable under the US Constitution to the States and then Supreme Court.

        Ms Powell is pursuing Criminal actions against groups/individuals under State and Federal Law.

        Two very different lines of action. So, Yes, they ought be separate.

        Did she anger elements of the Republican group? Absolutely. But she is now able to act independently and do/say what she wishes.

        This is going to become legally “ugly” for quite some time. I have no idea how it will work out. But it will be interesting.

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        Analitik

        I don’t think it’s a sacking

        There is a financial angle where donations can flow into her case without it being deemed a Trump re-election fund.

        Also, it gives scope for the case to proceed beyond the time limits for the electors to be confirmed (December 14 at the latest).

        Never Trumpers may still feel inclined to have the Dominion fraud pursued in order to protect the integrity of future elections where their establishment candidates are running. The January senate run-offs for Georgia surely has many Republicans worried.

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        Peter C.
        Reason for distancing from Sidney Powell is simple:

        She fell for that internet story about CIA hacking with SCORECAED and HAMMER — a 2017 internet hoax created by an Arizona man named Dennis Montgomery. His hoax was supported by a slow talking Light General, retired, Thomas McInerney. Two con men.

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    Kim

    Still waiting for that evidence.

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    dinn, rob

    self-explanatory, I believe:
    The New York Times states that “the role of the young Venezuelan engineers who founded Smartmatic has become less visible” and that its organization is “an elaborate web of offshore companies and foreign trusts”,[115] while BBC News states that though Smartmatic says the company was founded in the United States, “its roots are firmly anchored in (Venezuela)”.[3] Multiple sources simply state that Smartmatic is a Venezuelan company.[119] Smartmatic maintains that the holding companies in multiple countries are used for “tax efficiency”.[120] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartmatic
    ………………………………………………………………………..……
    An American Congresswoman called into question the national security implications involved in the sale of an American election services company (Sequoia Pacific) to a Venezuelan software firm, SMARTMATIC.
    Of course, it wasn’t really Venezuelan. Not exactly, anyway….SMARTMATIC was actually owned by a trust in Amsterdam. Not exactly, though…Because the trust in Amsterdam was itself owned…by a company in the Netherlands Antilles, but not exactly…Because the company in the Netherland Antilles was owned by a private foundation in Geneva, Switzerland.
    In America’s hugely compromised election industry this is business as usual. Yet somehow this fact completely escapes scrutiny every four years in the mainstream media https://www.madcowprod.com/2020/11/15/short-history-election-fraud/
    ………………………………………………….
    Joint Statement from Elections Infrastructure Government Coordinating Council & the Election Infrastructure Sector Coordinating Executive Committees: “The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history.“ https://cisa.gov/news/2020/11/12/joint-statement-elections-infrastructure-government-coordinating-council-election “There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised,” the statement adds. It is now revealed that Dominion Systems and Smartmatic are both members of the SCC. http://itnshow.com/2020/11/17/revealed-dominion-and-smartmatic-are-members-of-the-council-that-helped-author-the-nov-3-election-was-the-most-secure-in-american-history-statement-from-cisa/
    ……………………………………………………………………………………….
    For online voting 2016, the Utah Republican Party used an internet voting system developed by the Smartmatic-Cybernetica Internet Voting Centre of Excellence, based in Estonia. Smartmatic received thousands of calls from Utah voters surrounding issues with the process. The Washington Post states that “the concern seems to be less with the technology and more with the security of the devices people use to vote”.
    According to Joe Kiniry, the lead researcher of Galois, a technology research firm: Several of us did a lightweight analysis of it remotely, to see how it was built and deployed and this sort of thing … we found that they were using technologies that even modern Web programmers stay away from. … It’s like the dumbest possible choices are being made by some of these companies with respect to deployed technology that should be mission-critical! https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2018/06/26/designed-for-power-to-keep-power/
    ………………………………………………………………………
    Most leading election security experts instead recommend hand-marked paper ballots as a primary voting system, with an exception for voters with disabilities…These scholars warn that even a robust manual audit, known as a Risk Limiting Audit, cannot detect whether a BMD-marked paper ballot has been hacked. BMDs instead put the burden on voters themselves to detect whether such ballots include fraudulent or erroneous machine marks or omissions—even though studies already show that many voters won’t notice.
    For this reason many analysts have cautioned against acquiring these new ballot-marking machines for universal use, but election officials in at least 250 jurisdictions across the country have ignored their advice…. Calling attention to this problem has been complicated over the past few years by vendors, election officials, and election-system lobbying groups such as Verified Voting, who have blurred the issue by referring to both hand-marked paper ballots and ballot-marking device printouts as “paper ballots,” “backup paper ballots,” “voter-marked paper ballots,” and “voter-verifiable paper ballots.” Unless voters are unusually well-informed, they have no reason to know that these catchphrases—repeated by Congress and the media, even I Am John Oliver—can refer to risky new voting machines. https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2019/12/17/how-new-voting-machines-could-hack-our-democracy/
    ………………………………………….
    11-17-20 from the affidavit of a high ranking military officer: Designed in a way that the system could change the vote of each voter without being detected. He wanted the software itself to function in such a manner that if the voter were to place their thumbprint or fingerprint on a scanner, then the thumbprint would be tied to a record of the voter’s name and identity as having voted, but that voter would not be tracked to the changed vote.
    He made it clear that the system would have to be set up but not leave any evidence of the changed vote for the specific voter, and that there would be no evidence to show, and nothing to contradict that the name and the fingerprint or thumbprint was going with a changed vote. SmartMatic agreed to create such a system and produced the software and the hardware that accomplished the result for President [Hugo] Chavez.
    After the SmartMatic electoral system was put into place, he closely observed several elections where the results were manipulated using the SmartMatic software. Once such election was in 2006, when Chavez was running against Rosales. Chavez won with a landslide over Rosales, a margin of nearly 6 million votes for Chavez, vs. 3.7 million for Rosales.
    In 2013 he witnessed another Venezuelan national election where the SmartMatic system was used to manipulate and change the results. In a control room where multiple digital display screens were shown for results and voting, the actual voting results were fed into that room and onto the displays over an Internet feed, which was connected to a sophisticated computer system created by SmartMatic.
    People in that room were able to see in real time whether the votes that came through the electronic voting system was in their favor or against them. If one looked at any particular screen, they could determine that the vote from any specific area or as a national total was going to be against either candidate. Persons controlling the vote tabulating computer had the ability to change the reporting of votes by moving votes from one candidate to another by using the SmartMatic software. https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:DH3i239yL0QJ:https://greatgameindia.com/witness-smartmatic-elections/+&cd=12&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

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      Lucky

      dinn, rob. Thanks, a green up point is insufficient. You have provided an excellent summary and history, documented, of the way voting machines can be, and have been, used to produce fraudulent results.

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    Stephen @Aus

    I’ll come back when your MAGA Tinfoil hat has been removed…
    https://indie88.com/clinton-makes-tin-foil-hats-trump-conspiracy/

    ….and you’re talking something environmentally relevant….

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      Jojodogfacedboy

      Here is something environmentally relevant…your government and media are lying to you.

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        Analitik

        And sleepy, creepy Joe (and understudy Kamala) WILL force “The Settled Science” upon us, hastening the agenda of The Greens. How would that environment suit you?

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      TIP

      Do you think Governments and/or government support agencies are lying about the CO2 Climate Emergency…?

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        robert rosicka

        What emergency ?

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        Gary Simpson

        TIP, m’boy, if you have been convinced there is some sort of ‘climate emergency’, then sadly, you have certainly been lied to by somebody, most probably your ‘highly qualified and experienced teachers’ at whatever looniversity you attended. Or you follow H.R.H. Prince Charles on fakebook.

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      dadgervais

      Dear Stephen,

      Not sorry to see you go. Don’t hurry back.

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    William Astley

    The following is a logically connected narrative/scenario which I have pieced together from different sources. This scenario is consistent/based on what is known now, accepting/based on the assumption that virus is man made and based on China’s actions post Covid release. i.e. If Covid is manmade, who make it? Why? When was it released? Why? Where was it released? Why? Why is virus not affecting China? Why are all of the ‘internet’ companies now directly interfering in the US election? What made the internet companies change? Why is there no talk about the Debt crisis, all Western countries? Why are all of the Western countries thoughtless spending and borrowing and talking about Climate Emergencies, the vague ‘reset’, when we are facing covid economic ruin? Why did the US Military capture the CIA Frankfort server?

    Sidney Powell is working independent from the Military investigation. What she is doing (on her on initiative) is preparing the American people for what is going to happen next, as she does not have the power or resources to fix a country, undo a ‘takeover’ of the CIA/Government.

    The US Military this summer completed their analysis to determine the origin of Covid. They decided to delay the releasing of that info until after the US election, as this gave them more time to investigate the ‘conspiracy’/evil plan and to see what happens in the US election.

    When the US Milt. captured the CIA Frankfort server they decided that the totality of the info that they have, requires that they must have a formal plan and a complete team, ready to address this problem, when they present their findings to the American people in January.

    Comments:
    Early this year, the Milt. started testing a new type of AI that is much more effective and useful to solve tricky problems. The US Military and China are world leaders in AI research. These new AIs are sneaking smart and very useful in a practical way. They do not just use brute force to try to solve problems. The knowledge ‘base’ of the new sneaky AIs includes an understanding how humans react, what humans will do when faced with certain choices. Individually and as a group.

    One of the creative things that the new AIs can do, is to use access to civilian and classified data sources to find and to get whistle-blowers to talk. The sneaky AIs use the vast amount of data they can get on a person, to find potential whistleblowers and to effectively convince the whistleblower, to get the key data to solve the problem. This is particularly useful to uncover conspiracies such as the conspiracy in the CIA.

    One of the things these sneaky AIs can do is make accurate predictions. The Milt have tested this ability (tests were successful) and the AI’s ability to accurately predict the future about logic stuff (the new AIs are ‘thinkers’ ‘who’ can be creative to solve problems, not magicians), gave them confidence as to how the US people will react to their findings.

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    PeterPetrum

    This is incredible stuff, Jo. You are to be seriously congratulated fir sourcing it. Do you ever sleep these days?

    What can we collectively do to get the media to report this? I will be sending a link to both PETA Credlin and Andrew Bolt.

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    Fromdownunder

    I would say most of the deception was done via accepting mail-in votes without verifying signatures, and foul play via stopping people observing the counting process. These two can be proved with evidence, and statistics; it’s not hard to check the amount of rejected mail in ballots.

    Everything else is just a deleberate distraction. False leads, until there is actually evidence. Following them will just delegitamize the cause.

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    OldOzzie

    A dozen compelling allegations of voting irregularities in 2020 election

    From ejected ballot observers to fraudulently backdated mail-in votes, the evidence of irregularities is growing nationwide.

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      Ian

      “From ejected ballot observers to fraudulently backdated mail-in votes, the evidence of irregularities is growing nationwide.”

      I wonder then why it is that Mr Trump has accepted the formal transition process for Mr Biden. But it seems he may have had no choice after the head of General Services Administration, Emily Murphy, chose to effectively recognise Joe Biden as the winner of the election and begin the formal transition process.

      From that, coupled with the report of why Patrick Byrne resigned as CEO of Overstock, Trump’s chances of remaining President seem to be dwindling daily.

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        John F. Hultquist

        Ian says: “I wonder then why it is that Mr Trump has accepted the formal transition process for Mr Biden. But it seems he may have had no choice …”

        My comment ‘ #5 ‘
        . . . explains that the “states” set the procedures for voting, counting, and declaring the election is over — in that state. Not the Constitution, the Administration, nor the media has a say in this. Some laws regarding civil rights (discrimination and similar) can be used to insist states improve their procedures.
        Some people seem to “get” this.
        Criminal charges may be coming (or not) if state officials find folks were messing with their procedures. These, if they happen, will not displace Biden/Harris.
        At Noon on January 20, 2021 the Trump administration will be history.
        AND, the US history has peaceful transitions. We are on a glide path for that history to continue.

        I don’t know how to say this more clearly.

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    David Maddison

    What happens if a state certifies a vote but the vote was actually fraudulent? How is that certification reversed?

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    TdeF

    The problem of removing Trump has occupied the Democrats for over a year, notwithstanding the many attacks on his character, his wife, his children and the impeachment and claims of a stolen election for four years.

    But I still believe Obama and the Clintons and Biden and Harris and the entire DNC knew all about this vote rigging, which is why Obama has now stated that they can send in Seals to forcibly remove Trump from the White house although the result is not yet decided. That in itself is beyond precedent or explanation unless they always expected to be caught.

    We now know why they expected Trump to fight back. There is a prevailing attitude in the Left that any means to an end is justified. Or as infamous Labor commentator used as a credo, “whatever it takes”.

    Our Labor Premier Daniel Andrews fully agrees and used Government money to pay for his own election but once you are power, you just ignore it all. Andrews’ rigged inquiry report will be released quietly on 23 December 2020, two days before Christmas. At least it must be better than the last conclusion, that no one at all decided to use unknown contractors to protect Victorians. Villains always prosper.

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    Lance

    In Pennsylvania, 23,000 mail-in ballots were received BEFORE they were mailed out initially.

    Time travel must be possible. Among other odd things.

    https://epochtimes.today/tens-of-thousands-of-pennsylvania-ballots-returned-earlier-than-sent-date-researcher/

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    So, this is the same guy who resigned from his job as CEO after admitting to a personal relationship with a convicted Russian agent?

    Do you think this might make one question his motives?

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    Kevin a

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=746HTjhFifA
    WATCH: Chanel Rion on “Dominion-izing the Vote”

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    Lance

    Biden’s “Magical Win” against History, Statistics, and Politics

    https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/23/5-more-ways-joe-biden-magically-outperformed-election-norms/

    5 Ways Joe Biden inverted all of reality. / sarc off.

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    Dennis

    Democracy is precious and arguments on party political grounds, left verses right of politics, should be cast aside until investigations have been exhausted.

    But those who continue to defend the indefensible are obviously not interested in democratic election and government and patriotism.

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    Who is this treacherous Emily Murphy?

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    beowulf

    This is worth a look. Steve Turley’s latest vid concerning other lines of evidence of fraud and the high probability the results in Pennsylvania and Michigan will be uncertifiable, at least not by the Dec 14th constitutional deadline. Wisconsin is also under a heavy cloud concerning the validity of its mail-in votes, 100,000 of which are likely to be tossed out by the SCOTUS, plus there are audits pending in Georgia (despite its vote being certified) and possibly Arizona. If things run their course as above, neither candidate would achieve the required 270 Electoral College votes to become President Elect. Constitutionally this would result in a vote along state lines where the Republicans hold a theoretical 31:19 majority over the Dems (based on state legislature allegiance).

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNNdCjowblg

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    Lance

    I’m having a difficult time accepting that Anyone believes that

    1. A geriatric, dementia ridden, 47 year unaccomplished politician with dubious ties to China and Russia,

    and

    2. A sociopathic side kick known publicly as Kameltoe, Heels up, and Horizontal

    might be well suited to control

    22% of world GDP
    4000 + Nuclear weapons
    UN Energy Policy
    Climate Change legislation
    International Treaties
    Mutual Defense agreements

    It beggars/boogers/beagles/buggers the imagination that anyone might countenance such a global disaster.

    Anyone who isn’t a serf or slave ought to be frightened by such a possibility.

    To parody a recently failed president, “If you Like your Freedom, you can Keep your Freedom”.

    The current situation has far reaching impacts. Far beyond the US. Think about it.

    And yet, the navel gazing juvenile marxists and gender studies majors seem to think it desirable.

    I’m not so sure it isn’t an extinction level event.

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      Kalm Keith

      You got it Lance and that’s why we here in Australia are so concerned about the outcome.

      One of the effects of this ruthless control is the CAGW scare; a baseless, unscientific piece of rubbish that is pushed mercilessly on our ABCCCC.
      Currently we have CV19 which has been an extraordinarily cruel and repulsive political tool.
      Many small businesses have been crushed with a lifetime of work and saving scattered to the wind and temporarily ameliorated with Jobkeeper payments sourced from Chinese Loans.
      The human side of separation has also been dismissed by Politicians. Many could not be with loved ones in their last days and moments: an enormous human abuse.

      We have little left to hope for except that Trump might still prevail and part the waters of the stinking swamp on both sides.

      KK

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      thank goodness that the incumbent president has never attracted any nicknames.

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        Lance

        If snark and ego were currency, you’d be a rich man.

        How about a prepaid, one way ticket to Caracas ?

        Just let me know when you want to go home. Bet they’ll make you President.

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      Hey L A N C E
      Best comment here
      Interesting
      Thought provoking
      Informs, with humor
      Entertains
      Leftists will hate it
      That’s Perfection

      I had to look up those “b” words”
      I thought a beagle was a dog

      You ought to have a blog, or write a book

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      markx

      C’mon.
      If it is good enough for a conman real-state salesman/reality TV blowhard to become president, surely it is good enough for anyone to have a go.
      🙂

      (Disclaimer: Your perception of reality may differ from mine)

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        marx
        You mean a billionaire successful in the real estate business, TV star, and a BIG success in his first election (got the top political job in the world as his first job in politics), proven to obey laws by four investigations, with a beautiful wife, intelligent children, and did a fair job as president, considering the COVID pandemic would have made anyone look bad, and got over 70 million votes this month. And he is a blowhard, like many salesman.

        So what are your accomplishments, Marx?

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          Lucky

          I do agree with all that except
          the performance of the President so far – it has been excellent not just fair,
          and as for wanting a self claimed list of the accomplishments of Marx – include me out.

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    Another Ian

    You need to read more widely then

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    Another Ian

    “ATTENTION NEWS JUNKIES: We are the new Drudge, be sure to check our news feed by CLICKING HERE”

    “Explosive: New Data From Rigorous Statistical Analysis Points to Voter Fraud in Montgomery County, PA”

    https://www.revolver.news/2020/11/explosive-new-data-from-rigorous-statistical-analysis-points-to-voter-fraud-in-montgomery-county-pa/

    Links to Part 2

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    Evidence Please Please

    Trump has conceded while still insisting he will ‘prevail ‘.
    Consistent to the end.

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    David Maddison

    If the useless idiot slaves of the Billionaire Socialists ever educate themselves to understand the evils of socialism, I will offer no forgiveness. In the age of the Internet, even a censored Internet, ignorance is a choice.

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      Lance

      God forgives.
      Ignorance may be a choice, but ignorance has consequences.

      No Person On Earth has dominion on my land or in my house or within reach of my family except my Wife and God Almighty.

      If you want to survive, don’t test God or my Wife.

      I learned that lesson many years ago.

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      Greg Cavanagh

      If history repeats, and I expect that it will; Those same rich and intellectuals will be the first to disappear.

      Hubris doesn’t like competition, especially competition with money or influence. They’ll be Gonzoed.

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    Blueytoo

    Madness reigns. Programming means that sidney powell’s distancing means there is no case, rather than asking why? Apparently campaign finance legislation is the reason for sidney to be separate. Truckloads of evidence. The magic may yet be in the cia servers impounded in germany – maybe they just have the record of the voting numbers….

    Medicracy is all over transition to an as yet to be elected president in waiting. Who cares what the constitution says? A great distraction from the real story. Surely the media as we know it is digging its own grave with its own self righteous opinion. Obviously the polls were right.

    Seems like republican control is coming. If not soon, then 2022-2024.

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    Global Cooling

    Did you notice exit polls? Not big news because of votes by mail, but you can do it now and contain also mail votes. People can hide their opinion and there are sampling challenges. Even though, I would like to ask the people. Did you vote? Are you a registered voter? Did you do it in person or by mail. Who did you vote?

    Results of exit poll should match the official outcome.

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    crakar24

    Trump is going after Georgia:

    The subpoena demands and surveillance tapes, documents, information or objects, permission to inspect the premises a suite in the State Farm Arena. The subpoena includes recordings of elevators and loading docks and loading dock entrances. The subpoena also asks for any work orders or permits related to a water break in the Hawks arena.

    “In time, people are going to prison in Georgia,” Lin Wood warned in his next tweet, adding, “Every lie will be revealed”

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    crakar24

    John Kerry will be the new climate envoy

    Xidens picks so far does not bode well for the USA

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    STJOHNOFGRAFTON

    With so much anecdotal and verifiable evidence of vote fraud due to Democrat interference, the results should, at the least, be declared null and void. Even better, the just and moral remedy, in light of massive scale Democrat tampering, should be to declare Donald Trump winner by default. Decent Americans want a voting system where they know that their vote counts not a shonky system where it’s who counts the votes that determines who governs.

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    Crakar24

    CH9 fakes news just covered this story

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/gsa-approves-biden-transition-funds/

    They even produced the letter Murphy sent Xiden and then quoted trumps response. Strangely there was no mention of the deaths directed to Murphy, her family, her staff or her pets.

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    Jeremy Poynton

    Massive list of infringements, and source of info

    https://hereistheevidence.com/

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    David Maddison

    I don’t think it’s possible to prove that a specific number of votes were fraudulent because fraudulent votes were deliberately mixed up with valid votes.

    However, I think it is possible to demonstrate via a preponderance of sworn evidence plus defective procedures and voting machines whose tallies can easily be altered, to call into question the veracity of the entire election.

    Therefore the US Supreme Court should declare the entire election, at least the Presidential component which was the target of the most fraud, to be null and void.

    The 12th Amendment can then be invoked, intended for such a contingency, and State appointed Electors should vote for the President and VP.

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      Crakar24

      The SCOTUS ordered PA to segregate all votes received after election day. The validity of those votes were in question. PA failed to follow these orders. What you see in PA with corrupt judges is a delaying tactic for certification. Eventually SCOTUS will throw the PA result out. This will cascade to Michigan Georgia, Wisconsin and probably Nevada. Election result thrown out, the looney left will go beserk and the kraken will put them all in jail

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    Tom

    Fake pandemic…why not a fake election? This is a world wide drive to replace failing socialism (too much debt and not enough money to pay for promised government pensions) with a new world order that replaces everything with Marxism or some derivative thereof. Why didn’t Trump order that all paper ballots be watermarked with a special seal? After the Commies take full control of Europe, a puppet like Joey instead of Trump in the WH will make it easier to take complete control of the country. Then they will have the military power to possibly force China and Russia to return to Communism. If the Marxist Dems control both houses, all further elections will be eliminated, the Constitution will be burned and all semblance of America previous to 2020 will die a hard death. Thank you Joey voters as you too will reap the whirlwinds of slavery and total destruction of freedom courtesy of Gates and his poison vaccines, Soros, Schwab and the Zuck…all Commies to the bone.

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