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    Jojodogfacedboy

    What is different this time around in the ‘Middle East’ and Israel is about to be Annexed out?
    Any time it’s citizens were attacked in any fashion, they would ignore Boundaries and Borders and send attack Aircraft or Missles into other countries for retaliation. They, themselves became the police state of the Middle East. We have decades of this activity happening with the strength and might of the US Military. Even the United States Coast Guard is deployed Internationally due to commitments that are not really achievable by government officials promises.
    With trying to crush Russia and China economically, they’ve only made them much stronger and no longer use the US Dollar as trade.
    This puts Israel in a tough spot and now isolated as the country’s now have had enough and are willing to retaliate by its neighbors.

    Being reported by our mainstream media quite often of the attacks that Israel has done. Along with our massive immigration programs, we’ve got quite a few people who are from those same countries.

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      Thomas A

      What? Israel was about to close a deal with Saudi Arabia. Annexed out? You think so? Hamas is about to get its plate cleaned and deservedly so. “They” weren’t the police state. “They” have established a home state that has persistently been the target of annihilation by one means or another and have constantly been forced to defend people and territory. What is different this time is Iran has become far more aggressive towards Israel and more supportive and encouraging of those opposed to Israel.

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        We have a carrier group offshore to stop anyone else from attacking Israel. F18s love tanks in the desert. I think of Israel as our base in the center of Islam.

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          OldOzzie

          Iran Throws Hamas under the Bus

          Iran warns Israel: Don’t attack us, we won’t engage you

          By Reuters Staff

          UNITED NATIONS, Oct 15 (Reuters) – Iran said on Sunday that if Israel does not attack it, its interests or its citizens, then Iran’s armed forces would not engage militarily with Israel.

          “Iran’s armed forces will not engage, provided that the Israeli apartheid does not dare to attack Iran, its interests, and nationals. The resistance front can defend itself,” Iran’s mission to the United Nations in New York told Reuters.

          (Reporting by Michelle Nichols; Editing by Katharine Jackson)

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          Yarpos

          In a hypersonic equipped world I dont think an aircraft carrier presents the power it once did.

          Then we have this , which may be real or just a display and a bit of PR

          https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iran-unveils-its-first-hypersonic-ballistic-missile-state-media-reports-2023-06-06/

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            KP

            We will only find out when the first one sinks… Russia has got very good at missile attacks, using cheap or empty ones to use up the anti-missile defenses and then sending in the hardware. With Iran sending drones to Russia, what are the Russians giving Iran in repayment?

            …and F18s only work when there is no anti-aircraft defense. America doesn’t go up against peer-group enemies for a reason, but the 3rd-world have been catching up since the 1960s.

            Anyone else noticing the new papers/reports coming out saying a nuclear attack is quite survivable? We are being ‘prepared’ by our masters..

            As for any deal between Israel and the Saudis, Israel will have to decide which side it is really on soon-
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            ” Oil powers Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates have been invited to become members of the BRICS group of developing nations in its first expansion in over a decade.

            Also invited are Iran, Egypt, Ethiopia and Argentina, South African President Cyril Ramaphosa said Thursday as he wrapped up the annual summit of the group in Johannesburg. All six countries invited had already expressed an interest in joining.”

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              Hanrahan

              Russia has got very good at missile attacks, using cheap or empty ones to use up the anti-missile defenses and then sending in the hardware

              Those dummy missiles do a lot of damage to apartment buildings though.

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            Hanrahan

            Ballistic missile are, always have been, hypersonic.

            What is hard is hitting a moving target and a carrier can do 30 knots and manoeuvre. China’s artificial islands on the other hand……

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            Ted1.

            A lot of eggs in that basket.

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      tonyb

      A Cambridge Professor got into trouble for saying “import the Arab State, get the Arab State”

      If you import lots of people from any one country you are also importing their religion, culture, traditions and grievances. Unfortunately the latter will increasingly be played out on the streets of Europe, Australia and America.

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        Scissor

        We’ve imported the Mexican state and to be honest I don’t mind a Modelo or Corona cerveza once in a while.

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          Adellad

          Sure, as long as you also enjoy the associated lawlessness, drug cartels, human trafficking, official and petty corruption plus political instability. Enjoy that Corona.

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        John Connor II

        Yes, and as per the other day, even Kissinger said it was a huge mistake. Duh.

        However…Brussels sounds alarm about EU’s rapidly ageing population, recommends migration to fill vacancies

        These are some of the disquieting findings from a new report on demographic change released by the European Commission on Wednesday, which paints an alarming picture of the profound societal and economic transformation triggered by a shrinking workforce.

        In short, the EU is getting too old too fast.

        “Each member state is dealing with its own challenges,” said Dubravka Šuica, the Commission’s vice president in charge of democracy and demography.

        “In the Netherlands, housing and population density are a key challenge, while in some regions of Spain, it is population decline. In Italy, the key challenge is declining birth rates and an ageing population. Greece is the member state with the fastest ageing population. Croatia struggles with brain drain of younger persons.”

        According to the report, the EU’s population, which was slightly over 448 million people earlier this year, is projected to reach its peak around 2026 and then gradually decrease, losing 57.4 million working-age people by 2100

        Before the damage becomes irreversible, the Commission recommends member states take decisive action, such as closing the gender pay gap, improving work-life balance, offering tax benefits, reducing childcare costs, and making it easier for young people to access quality jobs and affordable housing earlier in their adult lives.

        In another recommendation, the report calls for “managed legal migration” to fill the surging number of job vacancies, which are already at record highs.

        The bloc, which is in the midst of a hard-fought push to reform its asylum policy, received last year 3 million migrant workers via legal pathways compared to 300,000 who arrived through irregular means.

        https://uk.news.yahoo.com/brussels-sounds-alarm-eus-rapidly-154715883.html

        The recommendations show the disaster the EU is. Then factor in Fakevax sickness, deaths, sterility and more.
        Oh, “managed legal” immigration now instead of the preplanned unchecked invasion it has been so far?
        Most EU countries are over-run with illegals bleeding the welfare systems dry, and those countries mere shells of what they were, and fast becoming tourist dead zones.
        Yet places like Saudi Arabia, with all its wealth and space, took in a total of ZERO – they all went to the EU.

        Oil and water don’t mix, nor do fundamentally culturally and idealistically different and irreconcilable races.

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      Jojodogfacedboy

      We have two more years of Trudeau, so I expect conscription will be next…

      https://www.rt.com/russia/5

      Our politicians seem to follow the same playbook worldwide.

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      Mike Jonas

      The Middle East is a mess, and has been since long before the artificial creation of Israel. Mind you, back then a lot of places were in a mess, not just the Middle East. I look back at British history, and see a similar mess culminating in the civil war (of the Roses), but going back to the Normans (re-badged Vikings) defeating the Saxons, before that the Saxons driving out the Brits (now mainly Welsh), before that the Brits driving out the Vikings, before that the Romans, etc, etc. Over several hundred years, the development of a democracy solved most if not all of the problems. The other major factor was a willingness to move forward and not continue to play out old grudges (see also how WWII enemies now get on reasonably well). Maybe democracy has only solved the problems for a while because the authoritarians in the UK and other western democracies are re-grouping, or maybe democracy will prevail, time will tell. To my mind, democracy is a great pressure-release valve – bear in mind that the main alternative involves revolution and/or bloodshed.

      Hamas in Palestine has been the opposite of what has worked in England and elsewhere. They magnify old grudges, use the Palestinian people as cannon fodder and human shields, and desperately try to prevent peace breaking out. To my mind, Hamas is Palestine’s main enemy. If some sort of democracy could be established in Palestine, there might be a chance that the Palestinian people could develop their own way forward from the mess. Maybe they would need goodwill from Israel, and without the daily rockets could that goodwill be forthcoming? It seems to be an idea worth testing. It took a few hundred years in Britain, so patience is needed.

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        GlenM

        The Normans were partly ex Viking, but mainly Germanic Franks – the descendants of Charlemagne. They were called Franks in the Levant by the Muslims.

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          GlenM

          What is being moderated?

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          BrianTheEngineer

          The Normans meaning North men were mostly Vikings but were allied with the Brittons from Rennes to Brest.
          The leaders of these two regions married to unite the group.

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          Leo G

          The Normans were partly ex Viking, but mainly Germanic Franks

          The Vikings were a Germanic people.
          The Normans were the Vikings who seized Rouen in 876 but were defeated at the Siege of Chartres in 911 under their leader Rollo- subsequently granted the Duchy of Normandy after swearing loyalty to the king of West Frankia.

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      Ronin

      Israel, the only democracy in the Middle East, sits slap bang in the midst of a crazy arab hornets nest, anytime Irael is attacked , they are well within their rights to respond, how forcefully is solely up to them.

      So, no attack, no harsh response.

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        Philip

        Was always going to be the problem with Zionism. But I’m not sure where else the Jewish people are suppose to go once their 2000 year sojourn moving about Europe expired.

        The only thing that can be confidently concluded is, this is the problem with multiculturalism. It ultimately means conflict.

        And what is Australia’s response to this knowledge? Import the problem.

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        KP

        Lol.. The country that exists on land stolen from the Palestinians has a free reign to obliterate the remaining peoples if they want their country back? Like all the trouble spots in the world, its the Western Empire drawing lines they liked on maps that caused it all.

        The West screwed up royally when they created Israel and made it for Jews only, but everyone refuses to admit that fact, which would be the start of finding a better solution.

        Where is Israel signing treaties with their “First People” and giving them recognition & compensation and all the other stuff that Australasia does? All their ‘First People’ get are bombed and shot.

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          Adellad

          So the 2m Arabs (not Jews, fully embraced) citizens of Israel must have been my imagination. But the egregious error is to imply the land was “stolen.” The Old Testament/Torah do not exist, there is no historical connection of Jews to Israel, right?

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            Old Goat

            Adellad,
            The vast majority of the people involved in this never wanted it . It is pure geopolitics . The reality is that gaza is a prison which Israel controls or trys to , full of people who were refugees from previous wars . It is a powderkeg which has detonated . My question is who benefits ? Not the civilians in gaza…..

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              Hanrahan

              Russia has got very good at missile attacks, using cheap or empty ones to use up the anti-missile defenses and then sending in the hardware

              Are you sure? The Gaza people happily use cement and pipes meant for sewerage for tunnels and rockets.

              Moderate muslims are the ones that hold you down while the radical beheads you.

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              FarmerDoug2

              The refugees that you now call prisoners are only so because they refused to live with the Jews. Those that stayed in the new Israel are doing OK. Even have representatives in government.

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              Rupert Ashford

              So why is the Gaza border with Egypt also mostly closed except for legal immigration – that also Israel’s fault?

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          You may want to dig a little deeper into history to get a better understanding.!🥴

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          Richard C (NZ)

          >land stolen from the Palestinians

          Except for the land that was purchased (i.e. someone sold it):

          Jewish land purchase in Palestine

          Jewish land purchase in Palestine was the acquisition of land in Ottoman and Mandatory Palestine by Jews from the 1880s until the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948. By far the largest such arrangement was known as the Sursock Purchase. As of April 1st, 1945, Jews had acquired 5.67% of the land in Palestine.[2][3][4]

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_land_purchase_in_Palestine

          “In the 1930s, most of the land was bought from landowners. Of the land that the Jews bought, 52.6% were bought from non-Palestinian landowners, 24.6% from Palestinian landowners, 13.4% from government, churches, and foreign companies, and only 9.4% from fellaheen (farmers).[14]”

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            Richard C (NZ)

            From Wiki previous:

            Jewish land purchase in Palestine

            From the 1880s to the 1930s, most Jewish land purchases were made in the coastal plain, the Jezreel Valley, the Jordan Valley and to a lesser extent the Galilee.[11] This was due to a preference for land that was cheap and without tenants.[11] There were two main reasons why these areas were sparsely populated. The first reason being when the Ottoman power in the rural areas began to diminish in the seventeenth century, many people moved to more centralized areas to secure protection against the Bedouin tribes.[11] The second reason for the sparsely populated areas of the coastal plains was the soil type. The soil, covered in a layer of sand, made it impossible to grow the staple crop of Palestine, corn.[11] As a result, this area remained uncultivated and underpopulated.[5] “The sparse Arab population in the areas where the Jews usually bought their land enabled the Jews to carry out their purchase without engendering a massive displacement and eviction of Arab tenants”.[11]

            But then,

            Six-Day War

            In the course of the Six-Day War in June 1967, Israel captured the rest of the area that had been part of the British Mandate of Palestine, taking the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) from Jordan and the Gaza Strip from Egypt.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

            The right of conquest is a right of ownership to land after immediate possession via force of arms. It was recognized as a principle of international law.

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            Ray

            Encouraged by Ravitch’s account, the newly formed Freeland League for Jewish Territorial Colonisation, tasked with finding a new Jewish homeland, set great hopes on Australia. It was serendipitous that struggling pastoralist Michael Patrick ‘MP’ Durack was eager to offload an expanse of the Kimberley, in Western Australia.

            In May 1939, the Freeland League sent their leader, Isaac Nachman Steinberg, to survey the property. The impressive plan was that 7 million acres were to be purchased and an initial contingent of 500 workers would build basic infrastructure to support some 75,000 Jewish refugees, who would follow Commonwealth laws but have full cultural autonomy and develop the region’s pastoral and agricultural industries. Now with a site and plan, Steinberg just had to convince Australians of the merits of a Jewish pseudo-state. It was no short order but Steinberg was a talented emissary. He spoke seven languages, had a doctorate in law and was a former member of Lenin’s cabinet. A religious Jew and left-wing revolutionary, he was the kind of ‘everyman’ Australians could relate to.

            He gained wide support from the likes of the WA premier, the chairman of the ABC and the Lord Mayor of Sydney, and others. Australians’ fear of Asians, it seemed, outweighed their wariness of Jews, and support for the proposal was further buttressed by reports of Nazi brutality. Yet there were concerns the new settlers would move from the Kimberley, attracted by the big cities. They’d take Aussie jobs and make people uncomfortable with their differences. A 1940 Bulletin magazine article calmly suggested they’d “swarm” into our cities, “even if they have to burrow under wire netting”.
            …… After four years of championing the cause, Isaac Steinberg left the country in 1943, taking with him the dreams of an Australian Jewish homeland.

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      SunCableIsSoSmart

      Israel should always be the number priority of us Aussies. And when I mean, number one, I mean over domestic issues. We have to protect that nation as the whole world depends on it. I don’t even care if we have to draft our sons to defend that nation. It’s the least we can do after the atrocities that took place in WWII that we are all indirectly complicit in.

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        Ray

        The Gates of Gaza

        “The attackers came at dawn, quickly occupying the town. The men were separated from the women and shot. One of the attackers, opening the door of one of the homes, found an old man standing there. He shot him. ‘He enjoyed shooting him,’ an eyewitness to the attack said afterwards.

        Soon the town was empty — the entire population of 5,000 had either been killed or expelled, those who survived put on trucks, and driven to Gaza. The empty homes were looted. ‘We were very happy,’ one of the participants said afterwards. ‘If you don’t take it, someone else will. You don’t feel you have to give it back. They were not coming back.'”

        It sounds like a narrative torn from the front pages of today’s newspapers, one of many such stories — too many to count — describing the atrocities inflicted on the civilian populations of Israeli towns and Kibbutzes adjacent to the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip.

        But it is not. Instead, it is the recollections of Yaakov Sharett, the son of Moshe Sharett, one of the fathers of Israel, a signatory to Israel’s Declaration of Independence, and Israel’s first Foreign Minister, and second Prime Minister. Yaakov Sharett was recounting the seizure of the Arab town of Bersheeba, in 1948, by Israeli soldiers, during Israel’s War of Independence.,,,,,,,,,,

        Plus in this write up is this …… The slaughter and physical eradication of the village of Abu Yahiya, the town of Bersheeba, and the 245 other Arab towns and villages in the Negev by Israeli settlers and soldiers has gone down in history as the Nakba, or “Catastrophe.”

        https://www.sott.net/article/485173-Why-I-no-longer-stand-with-Israel-and-never-will-again

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    John Hultquist

    USA news items regarding the current Covid shots suggest this will be a slow year for the vaccine. However, yesterday – Sat. here – I noticed the local pharmacy at the grocery store had shots available for the first time.
    Thus, reports of only 2% of Americans having received the updated 2023 versions are premature.
    I also noticed seasonal Christmas goods have been put on display. This suggest the Halloween decoration sales have declined – yard displays are profuse. Do a search for “Halloween displays” with images. Note the many carved pumpkins (real & plastic) and the skeletons. Full size skeletons sell for about $65 on Amazon.
    Pumpkins sell for about $5 (many locals raise their own) and an estimate of $808,129,290 will be sold at retail. All will then go to garden compost or landfills.
    Halloween has become a massive secular holiday – more of a harvest-time thing rather than any of its many religious roots.

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      I also noticed seasonal Christmas goods have been put on display.

      Only now ?? Our shops have it since end of August….

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        John Connor II

        And the stores say it’s because the consumers want it.

        My local Coles has refurbished, installing huge fridges WITH DOORS to save power and money.
        Pity it took them so many decades to see the bleeding obvious eh.
        Oh look – the express service lane is gone too.
        I won’t use the self service lanes on principle.

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      Ronin

      A supposed cost of living crisis and people spend on this one night buying junk that goes in the can next day, people are idiots.

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    James Murphy

    Funny how the “consensus” on climate change cannot be questioned or challenged, while another consensus – that of the referendum, is now being rejected by the useful idiots who voted Yes.

    It seems all consensuses (this really doesn’t seem like the right plural) are equal but some are more equal than others.

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      Bruce

      Situational ethics:

      The stock on trade of the psychopaths.

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      MP

      useful idiots who voted Yes

      In QLD the polling booths in Aboriginal communities voted strongly yes,
      The first set of numbers are Yes, Second NO.
      Bamaga, 263 175
      Bloomfield 139 70
      Hope Vale, 233 76
      Horn Island 86 50
      Kowanyama 203 192
      Lockhart River 170 87
      Pormpuraaw 153 121
      Thursday Island 262 100
      Thursday Island PPVC 510 234
      There are what they call remote mobile booths, all are Yes.

      Leichhardt, QLD
      Polling place results
      https://tallyroom.aec.gov.au/ReferendumDivisionResults-29581-168.htm
      I put this late on yesterday’s thread. https://joannenova.com.au/2023/10/australia-overwhelmingly-votes-for-no-segregation/#comment-2707132 read the comments, shows how little thought goes into comments, even in the face of evidence.

      Consensus:
      Climate change
      Gender
      Vaxxines
      War Ukraine
      War Palestine
      How many of the above do you believe, than we can have a discussion on useful idiots?

      The problem is not concensus, it’s the people who believe the concensus.

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        Glenn

        Of course they voted Yes…Yes for more of the same handouts and to be led by the aboriginal elite who are doing very nicely out of the industry they have created. The thinking ones voted No. Go out to Wilcannia, have a look, then come back and make a comment.

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          MP

          No problem, give me a yell when you get back from Kowanyama and I will pop out for a look.
          You see what I did, I posted actual results for the districts I mentioned, with links and everything, I know I spoil you.
          Now I even had a look, the district is Barwon yet the AEC, does not have that up so I googled images, looks like a lovely place, so your point is what, nice place for a holiday?
          Looks, Majority white, would I be correct in this assumption?

          All that has changed is nothing, same people who have done nothing for a century, have not listened for a century, have sworn to do the same thing for another century, 360 million bucks for nothing. I do like your solutions though, they should work, I mean you obviously know whats best.

          Anyway Sunrise is on, best you get back to your TV.

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            Glenn

            What a weak reply. I’ve been to Wilcannia…and many other places where there are large aboriginal populations. You appear to be nothing more than an armchair expert capable of plucking figures off the AEC Website…congratulations. I haven’t watched Sunrise for about 20 plus years, but I fail to see any connection. Care to elaborate ?

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              MP

              I have been to every one of those places on that list I put up, worked in a lot of them.
              Yes I am capable of looking at actual data, not looking out the window of my car as I tow the caravan through.

              My “Kowanyama” point was as stupid as your Wilcannia point, which was my point!

              What’s a large aboriginal population in reference to, total population?

              In referance to the MSM, how many new’s outlets do you subscribe to.

              My original comment was in reference to the term idiot, if gullible means you’re an idiot, this site is full of them.

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                Old Goat

                MP,
                Steady on lad . The smart ones are the easiest to fool . I was called a denier recently and the person concerned is an engineer . Educate don’t denigrate – that’s their tactic . You are better than that .

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                Glenn

                You still provide weak argument. I don’t own a caravan…I went by RFDS aicraft. Chew that over.

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                MP

                A flying caravan, even better.

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            R.B.

            Kowanyama is 91% Aboriginal and voted just 53%. I disagree with your assertion that white people automatically voted no. Public servants are more likely to vote yes.

            Pormpuraaw is another with only 55% yes. The highest is 66% and some remote were just above 50%.

            It’s low for promises of other people’s money will save them.

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        Ronin

        They would have been well managed by the usual ‘minders’, probably the only time they get an influx of outsiders.

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          KP

          … and the promises teh ANC made to get into power in South Africa were just amazing..!! Yet the Blacks believed them, after all they were ‘our people’ and on ‘our side’. Surely being given the Madam’s house straight after the election was perfectly understandable.

          If the Yes had won the Aboriginals who voted for it would be pissed off in 6months anyway. Nothing would change for them. Disillusion after the revolution always sets in.

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          Katzenjammer

          It probably involved ticks and crosses both meaning Yes.

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        James Murphy

        Did I complain about the concept of consensus somewhere…?

        Climate change
        Gender
        Vaxxines
        War Ukraine
        War Palestine

        It will be much more efficient if you just skip to the part where you get unreasonably grumpy at things you imagined I said.
        Have at it.

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        Philip

        But the more interesting thing is, many of them didn’t vote yes. I’d expect it to be near 100%, with a few dissidents. But the no vote is pretty high.

        Respect to those no voters, they thought it out quite well. Must have been a terrible proposal for them to seemingly vote against their own interest. Or was it against their won interest?

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          MP

          Finally someone has put some thought into it.
          My point was the label of Useful Idiot, (hence the quote) yes they may of been misled, the majority (which the NO vote was) of the people in those places voted yes and in a democracy its majority.
          I voted NO, but not against those “useful idiots”, I voted against more corruption and grifting, by the actual corrupted and grifters.

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        GlenM

        Noel Pearson must be in a bad place with those results. I believe from information that the politics of the Northern Land Council is a mess. Ya reckon that the VOICE would solve the problem?

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          MP

          The voice would have compounded the problems, more of the same was never going to be a solution, was never meant to be a solution.

          Pearson is trash, but he is still there, thats what I am on about, the problem remains nothing will change, grifters will continue to grift.

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        Scott

        MP this referendum had very little do do with our helping our indigenous population, they were simply the bait for the gullible to vote in their power and money grab with far reaching negative consequences for ours and future generations.

        Kim yesterday linked to a very interesting video that showed we were voting for some yet unknown but required legislation, that had far reaching ramifications on our constitutional rights including aborigines.

        Jacinta Price also spelt out that the mobile AEC personnel were encouraging the remote local communities to vote yes.

        There are already multiple aboriginal voices, they just choose not to listen to them, for example the role back of alcohol laws in the Alice. They were warned by aboriginals on what it would lead to but did it anyway.

        Add in the huge sums of money spent and not one issue resolved. This has to be the first point of review where is this money going and how is it being spent?

        Fix the corruption first before you add to it.

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          MP

          Yours “MP this referendum had very little do do with our helping our indigenous population”
          Mine, “All that has changed is nothing, same people who have done nothing for a century, have not listened for a century, have sworn to do the same thing for another century, 360 million bucks for nothing.”
          Yours “Fix the corruption first before you add to it.”
          Mine “The voice would have compounded the problems, more of the same was never going to be a solution, was never meant to be a solution.”

          The original comment was in referance to the term “idiot”, they had a massive psyop run by government, media and corporations, the same people that ran the Climate change, Safe and effective, Ukraine, Israel, Gender. They were not the first to fall for the propaganda.

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        Adellad

        No doubt all fully informed, nobody told how to vote or subjected to standover tactics of the kind reported by Jacinta Price. You were at each booth all day and witnessed exactly what happened, right?

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          MP

          If you could only understand what is written.

          What the h3ll has “being at the booths” got to do with anything?

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            Adellad

            It was figurative. I meant it’s a challenge to know what went on booths without witnessing it. Jacinta Price made it clear that a lot of aborigines were coerced into voting a particular way by elders and other Yes types. That fact undoes a fair component of your original contention.

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              MP

              Sister in law lives and works in Cloncurry, her work mate is Aboriginal who manned the booth all day.
              She knows them all, she said they did not even turn up to vote. Maybe postal or early?

              I doubt there was any coercion at the booth, in, name, fill out, ballot into box and exit. Same as always.

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        Broadie

        Lockhart River 170 87

        and ‘Yes’ for Noosa Heads where Noel Pearson and KRudd live too.

        Noosa Heads 696 596

        Did Noel and his close family vote in Noosa or Lockhardt?

        If Noosa then by placing those votes in Lockhardt we would have
        Lockhardt 270 87

        and,

        Noosa Heads 596 596

        A draw decided by the One Vote Of KRudd and all his close friends.

        Jacinta Price feels better surveillance would be a good addition to the voting in the remote communities. Like the ‘Truth Telling’ for the old people, you stick to the approved truth and vote the correct way or bad things can happen.

        The interesting thing about MP’s numbers is how few voting aged people are in these communities. This is the polling for which everyone would have been signed up. The question for Khamal is where is the 40 Billion going when we are talking so few people in remote communities?

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    David Maddison

    The following quote sounds as though it refers to the Useful/Useless Idiots of the Left in most Western countries and being told what to do and think by the Lamestream and legacy and Social(ist) media (not Musk’s X which allows free speech for both the Left and the Thinking Community) and by the leaders of the Left.

    “People will come to love their oppression, to adore the technologies that undo their capacities to think.” – Aldous Huxley.

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      MP

      You write this, then a couple of comments down #9, you tar yourself with the same brush.

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      Old Goat

      David,
      The one I like is ” it is almost impossible to free people from the chains they revere” . Musk is a swamp creature who has allowed censorship back in . He just fired all the usefull idiots and replaced them with AI. Linda Yaccarino is the new CEO and that is a massive red flag . Follow the money !

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    another ian

    FWIW

    “Healthy Options”

    “The problem is that many of America’s most serious health problems reside in people whose lives and jobs do not remotely resemble those of healthcare professionals or policy-shapers.”

    https://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2023/10/15/healthy-options/

    Sounds like the “Their Voice” “Yes” campaign

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    Steve of Cornubia

    Dr Mike Freelander, Labor MP for the south-western Sydney seat of Macarthur,speaking about the failed referendum:


    “For the average person, it won’t change their lives. It’s sad, because there won’t be another opportunity to do this for a while.”

    As I said yesterday, they won’t give up just because the majority of Australians don’t want it.

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    Robert Swan

    Remember Albanese’s contemptuous putdown of the “Convoy of No Confidence”?

    Now he can wear it himself: the Prime Minister of no consequence.

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    another ian

    FWIW

    “After “The Voice”: Aussie PM Vows to Refocus on Renewable Energy”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/10/15/after-the-voice-aussie-pm-vows-to-refocus-on-renewable-energy/

    A graph to sell gen sets there!

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    David Maddison

    It’s not clear what Israel can do.

    They are dealing with an enemy who, as Tony Abbott (former PM) quite rightly described them, who subscribe to a Death Cult (for which he was thoroughly criticised by the Left). The members of the Death Cult are also supported by the useful/useless idiots of the Left in the West.

    In a recent London demonstration, for example, protestors, including Leftists, flew both ISIS and Hamas flags, both outlawed terrorist organisations in most Western countries and the only person who got arrested was the person who tried to fly the Union Jack.

    In the Western World and within the context of Judeo/Christian morality and social norms, a normal enemy, even the National Socialists in WW2, would stop their fight and surrender when faced with overwhelming force because they didn’t want to die.

    The enemy Israel is dealing with actually want to die, supposed “martydom” is their highest aspiration in both life and death and is taught by their religion. “Shahids” will supposedly enter Paradise immediately.

    Also, Israel’s enemy, who is also the enemy of Western Civilisation in general, do not wear uniforms and live and fight from within a civilian population where they also manufacture and store their arms. Abdullah might be cutting the head off a baby during a terrorist attack in one instant, and in the next moment he might be selling olives at the local shuk. The enemy alternates between civilian life and that of a terrorist.

    Therefore, unlike when dealing with a traditional “moral enemy” who both wear uniforms and keep a clear distinction between civilian and military activity in accordance with The Hague Conventions and other rules of war, this enemy does not. This makes it difficult to find and engage the enemy who routinely live among civilians and use them as human shields.

    The Gazan invaders were and are indeed terrorists, not “fighters” or “soldiers” as the Left describe them, as their main targets are women and children including their rape, murder, torture and mutilation. Whilst admired by the Left, they are nothing to be proud of and are inhuman, cruel and psychopathic.

    Israel just wants to live in peace and has made huge numbers of concessions to do so but the enemy don’t want peace. They want Israel and her people to cease to exist. That’s not acceptable and it’s not going to happen.

    Incidentally, did you see Rowan Dean’s outstanding piece on Sky on the subject, including a discussion of anti-Israel bias on Their ABC? Well worth watching. See https://youtu.be/y2MsBvg1lc4

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      Forrest Gardener

      I would add three points. First is that Israel will doubtless look long and hard at the security failures that enabled the attacks within its borders. Second is that Israel has been highly successful in providing opportunities for its citizens to live lives of peace and prosperity. Third that that Israel appears to be currently executing a plan.

      As for Gaza the story is the same everywhere. People gain power by keeping their populace focusing on invented problems to which only the power seekers have the solution.

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      Steve of Cornubia

      As with the BLM riots, I am sick and tired already of being told that the atrocious behaviour on display at Palestinian protests is due to a “minority”.

      We are indeed living in a post-truth world.

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      Richard C (NZ)

      >protestors, including Leftists, flew both ISIS and Hamas flags

      But no gay pride flags?

      Why no gay pride flags in Gaza?
      https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2023/10/why_no_gay_pride_flags_in_gaza.html

      As I watched the pro-terrorist demonstrations on news media, I could not help but notice the prominent absence of the otherwise ever-present gay pride flags, which are displayed at virtually every leftist rally.

      The reason is obvious: within Gaza, Hamas would massacre any group of people who dared to promote the values of LGBT. They routinely kill homosexuals when they are discovered. Not only Hamas, but nearly every Muslim-dominated society does this.

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      Richard C (NZ)

      David >The Gazan invaders were and are indeed terrorists, not “fighters” or “soldiers” as the Left describe them

      They are “fighters” obeying the Quran:

      Quran (2:244) – “Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things.”

      Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.”

      Quran (4:74) – “Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.”

      Quran (8:39) – “And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah”

      Quran (8:65) – “O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight…”

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      John Connor II

      Israel just wants to live in peace and has made huge numbers of concessions to do so but the enemy don’t want peace. They want Israel and her people to cease to exist. That’s not acceptable and it’s not going to happen.

      …and the neocons really, really need a major war, Zelensky has passed his use by date, and this attack has all the hallmarks of western (CIA) intervention.

      Meanwhile, in orbit:
      Alien #1: What are the earthlings doing?
      Alien #2: Their “peaceful” religious factions are fighting over dirt.
      Alien #1: Nothing new then. Let’s come back in another 50 years.
      Alien #2: Agreed.

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      Broadie

      The enemy alternates between civilian life and that of a terrorist.

      The enemy alternates between killing Arabs and killing Infidels.

      They are like our Greens and Antifa more likely to be sitting around planning more destruction than ‘selling olives’.

      *The victims were not, as some media reports claimed, “scrawny fishermen’s kids” but members of a powerful family prominent in support of the Fatah Party – Hamas’s arch-rivals. In other words, Hamas had every reason to consider these children expendable.

      *A curious facet of the photos of the mangled corpses released by Hamas for propaganda purposes is the lack of bleeding from the boys’ deep and multitudinous wounds. This suggests that they had been dead for some time before the alleged Israeli explosion ripped them apart. Wictor theorises that they were probably executed by Hamas the day before and that the corpses were then blown up in an explosion arranged by Hamas the next day.

      Look out Fatah Party supporters

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      Old Goat

      David,
      The problem here is that the vast majority of people in this “Death Cult” do not want to kill people or die for the cause . The radicals are the issue and the Jews have them too . Violence by either side is unnecessary . There was a time when Jews and Muslims lived in relative peace .

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      Richard C (NZ)

      >The members of the Death Cult are also supported by the useful/useless idiots of the Left in the West

      You’re not alone on that David:

      Lipson: The Sick Alliance Between The Left And Muslim Extremists
      https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/lipson-sick-alliance-between-left-and-muslim-extremists

      The virulent anti-Israel protests across America and Europe throw a glaring light on the bizarre alliance between left-wing activists and militant Muslims. That odd combination has been the bedrock of political activism at universities and in the streets for years. It began in universities, where it now dominates political discourse, threatens Jewish students, and intimidates anyone brave enough to voice their dissent. We can now see how it has spread far beyond the campus.

      What makes the alliance so strange are the deep-seated differences between leftists and Muslim fundamentalists over core beliefs.

      The left supports women’s rights and full equality in the workplace and public sphere. Militant Muslims oppose them.

      The left supports gay rights and gay marriage. Militant Muslims toss gays off buildings. None would dare hold a public march in Pakistan, Iran, or Saudi Arabia.

      The left supports abortion rights. Militant Muslims oppose them.

      The left supports religious freedom, including the right to reject religion altogether. Militant Muslims believe heretics should be executed.

      The left rallies against book banning. Militant Muslims embrace it for any book they believe insults Islam or supports Israel.

      The left opposes the death penalty. Militant Muslims endorse it and praise their governments for using it.

      They deal with differences very simply: They never mention them when they act jointly, primarily against Israel and its supporters across the world. They have joined together to form a more powerful coalition against shared enemies. They would destroy that partnership by raising issues where they differ.”

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    Neville

    Their ABC is full of praise for Adam Bandt’s Melbourne electorate for voting 78% YES for the referendum and this is the highest in the country.
    They are thought to be wealthy and better educated, but they elect a stupid donkey like Bandt who still BELIEVES that we have a Climate CRISIS and EXISTENTIAL THREAT.
    Yet 5 minutes online proves they are wrong and Humans today are flourishing and we are much safer today from all extreme weather events and today 8 billion Humans have the highest life expectancy in 200,000 years.
    Bandt also BELIEVES that we should WASTE TRILLIONS of $ on TOXIC W & S and WRECK our environment onshore and offshore and repeat this DISASTER every 15 to 20 years.
    How dumb would you have to be to vote for this stupid loony who doesn’t even understand very simple data and evidence?

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      Harves

      Isn’t the ABC supposed to represent all Australians? Despite their billion dollar budget, so far they’ve been unable to find a single person to interview who’s happy with the outcome. I mean there’s only about 10 million of us to choose from.

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      GlenM

      Given that the ABC and the Green Socialists have a hive mind way of thinking – that is one without any heuristic underpinnings- like actual lived experiences in a real, functioning reality it is of no surprise that they only understand and react to SLOGANS. Think about it, when was the last time anyone had an intelligent discussion with these types without them going into conniptions and falling into a depressed state saying “Its not happening” or ” This is not real” Left wing intelligentsia ? Ha!

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      Dave in the States

      I just saw a TV ad for a cancer hospital for children. They state that their goal is to end childhood cancer deaths. Just think of what might be done with the billions-now trillions- wasted on the climate change scam.

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    Kim

    Climate Activists Seek To Save The Planet By Cutting-Down & Burying Trees “I mean, are we the science people, or are we the idiots?”

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    OldOzzie

    Love the Picture of AlboSleezy Playing the Fiddle

    Renewable Energy Obsessed Aussie Government Urges Gas Companies Charge “Appropriate Prices”

    As Australia’s climate and energy minister savages the idea of gas exploration, Australia’s Prime Minister is urging gas companies to keep prices under control.

    PM calls on gas giants to set ‘appropriate’ prices

    Jacob Greber and Elouise Fowler
    Oct 14, 2022 – 4.40pm

    Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has fallen short of backing explicit demands from manufacturers, unions and his cabinet members for lower gas prices, saying exporters should sell supplies to businesses and households at an “appropriate” level.

    Mr Albanese said his government was “very pleased” with the response from the gas companies to pump an extra 150 petajoules of gas next year, three times the shortfall forecast by the competition watchdog in August.

    [Opposition Leader Peter Dutton] “Then we get the AWU that comes out and says that it’s a dud policy. Then we’ve got [Climate Change and Energy Minister] Blackout Chris Bowen … calling any suggestion that we should discover more gas in our country ‘BS’.

    Read more: https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/pm-calls-on-gas-giants-to-set-appropriate-prices-20221014-p5bpv4

    WUWT has previously commented on Aussie Climate Change and Energy Minister Blackout Chris Bowen’s scientifically challenged understanding of the energy industry.

    Squizz
    @SquizzSTK

    Chris Bowen isn’t having any of Uhlmann’s ‘wind doesn’t always blow’ rhetoric.

    “the rain doesn’t always fall either, but we manage to store the water – we can store the renewable energy if we have the investment” – But with the Greens, We Labor ban the building of Dams

    With the world experiencing a severe shortage of energy, a minority government beholden to green party support, and greedy Australian state governments savaging the fossil fuel industry with 40% royalties, on top of regular taxes, fossil fuel companies currently have zero incentive to invest in the Australian energy industry.

    Australian voters need to demand our politicians get their act together, and implement policies which attract fossil fuel investment, instead of spouting lunatic green rhetoric and nakedly looting any fossil fuel player who makes a profit, otherwise Australia will end up with European style energy shortages.

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      KP

      “Australia’s Prime Minister is urging gas companies to keep prices under control.”

      Typical Communist, no idea of how a free market works… Price controls next, bankruptcy soon after.

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    Penguinite

    Titanic Mk. 2 Inside the Yes disaster: PM ‘refused to change course’ as the ship went down to a human iceberg!

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      GlenM

      I’m sure the PM was locked in on the “vibe”. Walking hand in hand down the flower strewn path to cuddles and beautiful thoughts. An appeal for understanding and togetherness. Yeah.

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      Ronin

      “Titanic Mk. 2 Inside the Yes disaster: PM ‘refused to change course’ as the ship went down to a human iceberg!”

      At least Captain Smith had the decency to go down with the ship, unlike our hero who blames the iceberg for getting in his way.

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    Geoff Sherrington

    Important.
    The Referendum vote divided Australia into two groups.
    There is a strong correlation between YES and inner city, high income people, which includes most of our “decision makers”.
    The same minority who voted YES is much the same minority pushing climate change net zero non-scientific nonsense,
    Use the minor YES vote to oppose net zero carbon.
    It is the same, out-of-touch mob behind YES and global warming.
    Call them out. Rubbish them mercilessly.
    Stop buying newspapers that push both anti-people issues.
    Too many commenters with good hearts and good intentions are too shy to act. It is not enough to write about these matters.
    Do more. Personal action is needed.
    Geoff S

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    OldOzzie

    Pro-Palestinian supporters crying victory in wake of attack on Israel shows our prized multiculturalism is being ripped apart

    Different cultures across our country should add to the Australian way of life, not undermine it, writes Will Kingston.

    Late last month, the UK Home Secretary Suella Braverman told an American think tank that multiculturalism in her country had failed.

    The “dogma of multiculturalism”, according to Mrs Braverman, had allowed people to come to the UK with the aim of “undermining the security and threatening the stability of society.”

    The comments were both unremarkable and remarkable.

    They were unremarkable because the same sentiment has been expressed by several centrist European leaders in modern times.

    In 2010, Angela Merkel admitted that Germany’s attempt to build a multicultural society had “utterly failed.”

    The next year, David Cameron said “state multiculturalism had failed” and left young Muslims vulnerable to radicalisation.

    In 2021, Emmanuel Macron told the foreign press, “we have a real crisis with the integration model in France.”

    The comments were remarkable because the backlash against Mrs Braverman was more intense than what the aforementioned leaders experienced.

    The cries of racism were as predictable as they were ludicrous.

    Mrs Braverman was born in the UK to parents of Indian origin.

    The progressive left reserves a special brand of vitriol for right-leaning women from ethnic minority backgrounds who don’t toe the line. Just ask Jacinta Price.

    I sat down to write a piece after Mrs Braverman’s speech considering the state of multiculturalism in Australia.

    I hesitated.

    As she herself discovered, it’s easy to be incorrectly slurred as a racist for questioning the sacred cow of multiculturalism.

    These slurs come almost exclusively from people who don’t understand what the term “multiculturalism” means.

    Then I heard cries of “gas the J@ws” reverberate across Sydney Harbour.

    Multiculturalism is treated even more dogmatically in Australia than it is in the UK.

    The phrase, “Australia is the most successful multicultural society on Earth”, has been parroted by politicians since the 1980s.

    Until recently, those politicians were probably right because, as former race discrimination commissioner Dr Tim Soutphommasane said in a speech in 2016,

    “Australia’s multiculturalism was based on the compact of citizenship.”

    Mr Soutphommasane continued, “Cultural differences are to be embraced, but only when they are consistent with living in an Australian democracy.”

    The deal is done with every new Australian when they pledge their citizenship

    “I pledge my loyalty to Australia and its people, whose democratic beliefs I share, whose rights and liberties I respect, and whose laws I will uphold and obey.”

    As we watched flares flying across the sails of the Opera House and victory proclamations accompanied by chants of ‘All@hu Akb@r’ in Lakemba, we were watching cracks widen in the bedrock of Australian multiculturalism: the compact of citizenship.

    Those cracks emerged for three reasons.

    First, the compact of citizenship only works if people hold cultural views that are consistent with Australian democratic principles.

    In the 1970s and 80s, many Australians took this to mean “Aussie values plus Chinese restaurants.”

    It was always a superficial view of multiculturalism, but it spoke to a deeper truth: different cultures should add to the Australian way of life, not undermine it.

    The fringe elements of Islamic culture on display over the last week are inconsistent with the Australian national identity.

    These do not represent most Islamic people, but they are far more prominent in Australia today than 20 years ago.

    Second, nationality has taken a backseat to identity.

    This isn’t just an Australian phenomenon.

    Across the western world, people are becoming less patriotic and more closely aligned to an intersectional hodgepodge of identity groups.

    Every time someone says the Australian flag symbolises white nationalism or that Australia Day is a day of shame, they are offering contractual advice to sinister parties.

    The compact of citizenship can be torn up without penalty, on the grounds that Australia isn’t holding up its end of the bargain.

    Third, the gradual erosion of free speech in this country has put anyone who dares to question the dogma of multiculturalism in danger.

    Section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act is less a shield against discrimination and more a sword that is too often swung at uncomfortable truths.

    Shamefully, it almost certainly won’t be swung at anyone who spewed anti-S@mitic bile this week.

    Even if the law doesn’t come after you, a pervasive cancel culture will.

    Has multiculturalism in Australia failed?

    In the (probably apocryphal) words of Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai, when asked about the impact of the French Revolution, it’s too early to say.

    But our social fabric is fraying at the seams like never before.

    The social compact that has underpinned multiculturalism for decades is cracking under the burden of unreasonable demands and without the pillars of mutual obligations.

    If we don’t have the guts to have an honest conversation about multiculturalism after what we have witnessed in the last week, I fear we never will.

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      KP

      Absolutely no sympathy for the politicians and people who supported the immigration policy, it was obvious a generation ago that this would happen. Enoch Powell explained it all accurately and was laughed at.. Who’s laughing now?

      What’s more, you cannot get rid of the immigrants you let in, so just kiss goodbye to what you think of as ‘Aussie life’ and get ready for the new Non-Western world.. Blame your parents, they did it.

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        Enoch Powell explained it all accurately and was laughed at..

        I was very young at the time, but can clearly remember the news reports (no TV then) of powels speechs as being very clearly and eloquently presented.
        His comments always come back to me when ever there are cultural conflicts.
        There are reasons that the world has settled into numerous discrete cultural areas with borders.

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    David Maddison

    Federal and State constitutions need to be amended to ensure that in future a tyrant like Dan Andrews can be more easily removed from office. In the end, he resigned for unknown reasons, he wasn’t removed.

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      skepticynic

      resigned for unknown reasons

      He resigned because he’s completed his assignment and he’s got his statue.
      Stairman Dan became Teflon Dan, and he’s escaped before TSHTF.
      Will he ever be held liable for the workplace deaths under his watch? The grubby incident with a minor which saw him put out of action for 6 months by the aggrieved guardian? The dishonest driver-swap after hitting a minor on a bicycle while driving under the influence and then leaving the scene of the accident? And then there’s all his political malfeasance.
      He’s VERY well protected.

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    STJOHNOFGRAFTON

    Dr John Campbell:

    Cancer Reactivation

    Melanoma relapses: should Covid boosters be ruled in?
    https://principia-scientific.com/cancer-reactivation/

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    Scissor

    We’ve imported the Mexican state and to be honest I don’t mind a Modelo or Corona cerveza once in a while.

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    Bruce

    “Let there be no more war or bloodshed between Arabs and Israelis. Let there be no more suffering or denial of rights. let there be no more despair or loss of faith”.

    Anwar Sadat, who was murdered for saying it..

    https://www.britannica.com/biography/Anwar-Sadat

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      Philip

      These people don’t want peace. They don’t think like us.

      It’s like saying no to a cat, it just doesn’t work, they don’t think like us. But I have my cat under control, almost on a string. You just have to think like the cat, which is not easy.

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        MP

        Which people, the Palestinians or Hamas, because they are two very different groups, but both are contained within the world’s largest prison.
        The average age of Palestinians is 17 years, there are not 2 million Hamas in Palestine, the kids in prams do not have suicide vests on.
        They do not control their own water, food, fuel or power, that’s done by Israel and it has all been cut by Israel. They were told to get out of Palestine via the boarder with Egypt, yet this is closed, the convoys of people doing what they were told where bombed by Israel. (this has all been reported on your MSM)
        No food, water, power and no means of escape, fish in a barrel, but at least the fish have water.

        Glory to Israel.

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          Richard C (NZ)

          >The average age of Palestinians is 17 years

          A welfare society so plenty of time to breed.

          If the billions in aid had been spent on infrastructure instead of Jihad they would have a thriving existence.

          But no, Hamas dug up EU funded water pipes to make missiles.

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            Richard C (NZ)

            >A welfare society

            >If the billions in aid had been spent on infrastructure instead of Jihad they would have a thriving existence.

            International aid to Palestinians

            UNRWA
            The United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East (UNRWA) was set up in 1949 to provide humanitarian relief to Palestinians displaced by the 1948 Arab–Israeli War. Originally, it was intended to provide jobs on public works projects and direct relief. Today, UNRWA provides education, health care, and social services to more than 5 million registered Palestinian refugees and their descendants, and other segments of Palestinian society, as well as providing some financial aid to Palestinians. UNRWA has also been a donor to the [Palestinian National Authority] PA. [6] UNRWA employs over 30,000 staff, 99% of whom are locally recruited Palestinians.[7] Most of UNRWA’s funding comes from European countries and the United States. Between 2000 and 2015 the European Union contributed €1.6 billion to UNRWA.[8] In addition to its regular budget, UNRWA receives funding for emergency activities and special projects.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_aid_to_Palestinians

            That’s just UNRWA, there’s plenty more gone down the hole:

            Paris pledging conference, 2007[68]

            [$7.7 billion for 2008–2010 in support of the Palestinian Reform and Development Program (PRDP)]

            Type of assistance US$ billion
            Budget support 1.5
            Humanitarian assistance 1.1
            Project-based aid 2.1
            Other aid 0.8
            Amounts being allocated 2.2
            Total 2008–2010 7.7

            Hamas, which was not invited to Paris, called the conference a “declaration of war”.

            Where did it all go?

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              Richard C (NZ)

              >UNRWA provides….to more than 5 million registered Palestinian refugees and their descendants….other segments of Palestinian society,….some financial aid to Palestinians – Wiki

              Population of Palestine
              3,000,021 (West Bank – 2022 est.)
              1,997,328 (Gaza Strip – 2022 est.)

              UN welfare – Gaza, West Bank, refugee camps. And no doubt finds its way to other countries.

              So with no work commitments, plenty of time to get together, chant, and wave the flag.

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            MP

            So 2 million people were digging up water pipes, what did Israel turn off then?

            So Hamas, who control the government was given “welfare” and Hamas spent it on digging up water pipes, therefore 2 million people must die, or just the ones with shovels.

            Hamas was formed by MOSAD to counter the PLO, which they did.

            I see how people’s minds are shaped by propaganda, to call for atrocities and justify it with crud like you wrote.

            If it saves one life it’s worth it.

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              Richard C (NZ)

              MP >So 2 million people were digging up water pipes, what did Israel turn off then?

              No, the Hamas government in Gaza dug them up.

              Hamas boasts of digging up water pipes to make rockets while US sends them money for more
              https://www.israel365news.com/345918/hamas-boasts-of-digging-up-water-pipes-to-make-rockets-while-us-sends-them-money-for-more/

              Battle of Gaza (2007)

              The Battle of Gaza, also referred to as Hamas’s takeover of Gaza, was a military conflict between Fatah and Hamas that took place in the Gaza Strip from 10 to 15 June 2007. It was a prominent event in the Fatah–Hamas conflict, centered on the struggle for power after Fatah lost the 2006 Palestinian legislative election. The battle resulted in the dissolution of the unity government[3] and the de facto division of the Palestinian territories into two entities: the West Bank governed by the Palestinian National Authority (PNA), and the Gaza Strip governed by Hamas. Hamas fighters took control of the Gaza Strip, while Fatah officials were either taken as prisoners, executed or expelled.[3][4] The Palestinian Centre for Human Rights reported that at least 161 people were killed and more than 700 were wounded during the fighting.[1]

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaza_(2007)

              Jihad ever since but where are the protests?

              Poll finds dramatic rise in Palestinian support for Hamas

              The poll found that 53% of Palestinians believe Hamas is “most deserving of representing and leading the Palestinian people,” while only 14% prefer Abbas’ secular Fatah party.

              Oh.

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            John Connor II

            Mother 1 to mother 2:
            “They blow up so fast don’t they”

            /old bad terrorist joke

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            MP

            Yes really

            The photograph shows the child – believed to be between one and two years old wearing a scaled-down imitation explosives belt and two bandoleers of fake bullets.
            There is no independent confirmation that the photograph is real or has been faked by the Israeli security services
            But Sky News, which claims to have tracked down the baby’s family, reports that the photograph was taken by the family as a joke. If of course your willing to place your faith in the fact Israel Media tracked down the family. Propaganda.

            That baby must of got out of the wrong side of the crib that morning, dressed himself and is about to attack the most defended boarder in the world. (except that one time)
            They forgot to mention his training in the skill of Paragliding.

            You spent time digging up that trash, and it is trash.

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              John Connor II

              It’s a HUGE risk posting supposed war injury photos because they can and have been faked sooooo often, for years.
              Even passing them through fake detection software doesn’t guarantee they’re legitimate.
              Best not to believe too blindly as deep fakes now are very very good…

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          David Maddison

          The average age of Palestinians is 17 years, there

          1) It is “population jihad”.

          https://www.christianpost.com/news/what-are-the-8-types-of-jihad-former-radical-muslim-explains.html

          2) If Gaza really was “an open air prison” they wouldn’t be breeding at a prodigious rate would they?

          3) Any restrictions the Israelis impose of them is because they have repeatedly demonstrated their desire to commit genocide against Israel. Frankly, I think the Israelis are far too soft. No other country would be so tolerant, but they try to appease the haters, including you.

          It sounds like you get all your “information” from Hamassh*le or Leftist sites.

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            MP

            1. Yet they could only muster 400 for the initial attack, not real Jihadi is it.
            2. Stupid analogy, their surrounded by a wall and a fence, blockaded by water, imprisoned.
            3. You have lost the plot, flatten the place like a carpark, kill them all, because of 400 most carrying mobile phones. WW3 can’t come fast enough for you.

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          Adellad

          I saw the baying mobs in Gaza cheering on the spectacle of mutilated young women being paraded on the back of Utes. Hamas are very popular in Gaza; your posting is highly misleading. That is being generous.

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            KP

            ..and the Jews don’t do the same? Bomb a wedding party and claim it was a terrorist meeting? You won’t find one party any better than the other, its just who’s propaganda you believe.

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            MP

            You saw them did you, was it a good flight?
            I saw a still photo of the silicon doll in the back of the ute.
            40 headless babies, no evidence except Israel media stating “overheard”.
            270 killed at a peace festival, no proof except media, claims.

            It’s all as seen on TV, you now believe without question the same people you disbelieve about everything else. You have worked yourself into the same frenzy you talk about.

            Please don’t be generous, BS is BS no matter how thick you want to spread it.

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    Steve of Cornubia

    Reading Their ABC today, I am unsurprised to see lots of referendum coverage and ‘discussion’ about the result. Needless to say, they blame its failure on everything except that it was a bad idea that most Australians believed to be a step backwards.

    They suggest it was campaign failures, unclear messaging, disinformation from the Libs, a failure on the part of the people to understand how important The Voice is, etc, etc, etc. They do not pause for a millisecond to honestly consider that the voters were right to reject it.

    When will we get a genuinely conservative government in Australia, and will they finally rein in the ABC’s outrageous bias?

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      Rupert Ashford

      Of course the main “discussion point” and reason given will be “the deplorables are too stupid to know how to vote”.

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      Where’s Stan Grant??

      Umm, who cares!

      Tony.

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      . When will we get a genuinely conservative government in Australia,….

      Probably never !……
      ..at least not until we have flushed out all the lefties being indoctrinated in the current education system and generate a smarter voter base.
      But currently i dont see any worthy conservative party group that has the ability to do the job.

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        KP

        “Probably never !……”

        Correct.. Conservatives these days are just Socialists with a different view on non-important matters. When we elect a Govt that burns all business regulations and licenses, rolls back the welfare system, makes hospitals user-pays, and changes the education system to champion free-market capitalism, then you will see change.

        Democracy is a failed experiment, it has just shown that people are stupid, easily led by liars and fraudsters, voters don’t want to work they want a Govt to mother them and would prefer Communism with the vague hope they will be further up than the rest of the voters.

        How many people would vote for a rigid zero inflation to preserve the value of their savings if it meant no pay increase each year?

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      el+gordo

      ‘ … will they finally rein in the ABC’s outrageous bias?’

      Good question, the organisation is supposedly mainstream, but in reality it is the propaganda wing of the Green/Left.

      The ABC is wrong in saying that Dutton was putting out disinformation, he played it with a straight bat, if you don’t know then vote no.

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    David Maddison

    There’s snow on Mt Donna Buang (just outside Melbournistan) this morning.

    I can’t wait for October to be declared the “hottest eeevvveeerrr” as soon as the BoM has finished “homogenising” the temperature data by their secret process.

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    Greg in NZ

    And now for something completely different:

    IT’S SNOWING (again) IN AUSTRALIA

    Having checked the webcams, it’s snowing at Perisher NSW, Hotham VIC, and Mawson TAS – it’s a trifecta of Chronically Collapsed Consensus: when the prophets shout HEATWAVE! prepare for freezing snow (third time this month). And to celebrate the ousting of Jacinda’s mob here in NZ, nature is turning on ‘heavy snow‘ to 800m along the Southern Alps. El Niño? Yeah nah.

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      David Maddison

      I didn’t manage to get to do any snow camping this year (overnight pack carry). Maybe it’s not too late.

      I did manage to do a nice solo day snow walk at Mt Donna Buang a month or so back. It was very nice despite the fact it was a severe storm and I was worried about trees falling on me.

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      Sambar

      I hear that one of the first things that will be done by the new government in your place is to change the name of Aotearoa to some sort of tradtional name. I think it was suggested that NEW ZEALAND might be on the cards. Is this true?

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        David Maddison

        I think the new NZ Government should acknowledge the original red haired, blue eyed inhabitants of New Zealand who predated the Maori, as discussed in the following video (below).

        Just like the pygmy Aboriginals of northern Queensland, documented by historian Manning Clark, they have been written out of history.

        (A serious documentary, not satire, fringe or a joke.)

        https://youtu.be/BRjyDGOVcXE

        Any criticism of the contents of the documentary welcomed.

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          David Maddison

          http://onenzfoundation.co.nz/articles/writers/the-evolution-of-the-people-of-new-zealand/

          The Evolution of the People of New Zealand

          Maori are not “tangata whenua” – there were prior inhabitants – Dr Ranginui Walker

          “The traditions are quite clear: wherever crew disembarked there were already tangata whenua (prior inhabitants). The canoe ancestors of the 14th century merged with these tangata whenua tribes. From this time on the traditions abound with accounts of tribal wars over the land and its resources”. Comment by Dr Ranginui Walker in ‘The New Zealand Book of Events’, page 18, (1986). When the Tiriti o Waitangi was signed the “canoe ancestors of the 14 century” were known a tangata Maori.

          Maori tradition also makes it clear that the tangata whenua were light skinned with fair or reddish hair and in some cases, blue eyes. The Te Arawa tribes that moved to Rotorua and Taupo found people already inhabiting these areas. These people were called Ngati Hotu and were described by Te Arawa as, “of non-Maori appearance, having reddish hair and pale skin”. Other names given to the tangata whenua were Patupaiarehe or Turehu. Maori traditions tell of these friendly, peaceful and law abiding people teaching Maori many of their skills and cultures before they either “merged with the tangata Maori” or were exterminated by them. Captain Cook recalls he saw fair skinned Natives with reddish or blonde hair when he visited New Zealand in 1769. Tradition also tells that, the tribal wars over land and resources drove the tangata whenua into extinction.

          [..]

          While the Government has done little research into the tangata whenua, they have researched areas of the Waipoua Forest, but the results of this research have been restricted from the public until 2065. What did they find that must be hidden from the public until 2065? While Maori admit that not all burial sites (human remains) are Maori, the Government returns all remains to Maori for reburial or disposal without DNA or other methods of finding their ‘true” identity. The Government has just accepted the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People, but the people that signed the Tiriti o Waitangi were called tangata Maori not tangata whenua or Indigenous People. Once, again we are being duped by a Government that does not want us to know our true history.

          [..]

          SEE LINK FOR REST

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            Gee Aye

            No doubt true

            and Leprechauns were the original ihabitants or Eire.

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              David Maddison

              Is that the best “scientific” argument you can muster?

              Is it not worth a scientific investigation of the claims?

              Is DNA analysis of remains or living descendants not worthwhile?

              Why did the NZ Government cover up their findings until 2065?

              Do you deny the historical existence of the pygmy Aborigines of north Queensland?

              Are you not open to scientific inquiry and alternative ideas?

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            Dennis

            This section is also interesting …

            http://onenzfoundation.co.nz

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              Dennis

              Also research – (Signed) Henry Williams, Missionary CMS

              Henry Williams (Te Wiremu) was the first Anglican missionary to New Zealand and assisted the Maori with the Treaty of Waitangi, and his image is in the signing ceremony painting.

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                Dennis

                About 40 years ago I was involved in a discussion about the long past history of New Zealand and the no longer land mass known as Lemuria. Using the links provided here I discovered this …

                History handed down by the Tainui elders tells of tribal warfare which saw the extinction of aboriginal people known as Kapupungapunga. As an old legend-keeper explained, Kapupungapunga meant: Garments dyed yellow with raupo-reed pollen.

                These people were from one of the large continents that was above water hundreds of years ago but has subsequently been displaced with water. Mu was the continent in question and NZ, along with other close islands (including Easter Island) were the highest parts of that continent….Murrians. It was within easy reach of what is now South America. The ‘sister’ continent was Lemuria, a continent that science has just discovered and stretched through what is now the Indian Ocean. The outline of Mu can be seen from above.

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                Kalm Keith

                ” has subsequently been displaced with water”.

                Sea levels have fallen 1.2 metres in the last 2,000 years.

                ?

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                Dennis

                What about movements in tectonic plates, volcanic activity and movement of land mass?

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              KP

              Yes, comparing that article to what the Govt currently says is the truth is all anyone would ever need to realise no Govt can be trusted to tell the truth at all. That includes Russia/Ukraine and Israel/Hamas, or vaccine injuries and safety trials.

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      John Connor II

      Be sure to get your kids out there in the snow holding up appropriately derogatory Al Gore signs and giving the bird, while you take snaps and post them online.

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    David Maddison

    One of the most bizarre Leftist groups is “Queers for Palestine”.

    It makes about as much sense as “cows for McDonald’s”.

    Seriously, they don’t know what happens to queers in Gaza?

    That level of ignorance is difficult to comprehend.

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    another ian

    FWIW

    Willis E has a look at Islam

    “Raw Terror”

    https://rosebyanyothernameblog.wordpress.com/2019/12/27/raw-terror/

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      another ian

      Goes with that

      FWIW

      “THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN ISLAMIC EXTREMIST”

      https://richardsonpost.com/paulzanetti/33336/no-such-thing-as-an-islamic-extremist/

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        KP

        Can’t argue with anything he said, its a pity the West didn’t take note of it early in the 20th century.

        NOT a place to make the Jew’s homeland and NOT a religion to be used as immigrants.

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      David Maddison

      The thinking community was well aware of these issues until a few years ago when they went off the radar due to covid.

      But the plans for a global Caliphate with infidels being either killed, converted or enslaved never went away.

      More planning took place, assisted by Obama who during his reign decided to weaken the United States and the West and went on an apology tour of Mohammedan countries and gave Iran pallet loads of cash so they could complete a second Mohammedan bomb after Pakistan “to even things up”.

      At least, with the latest terror attacks in Israel we aren’t being bombarded with ignorant, vomit-worthy plattitudes from the Left that Mohammedism is a “religion of peace”. Even some of the smarter Leftists seem to understand that now, although most probably won’t admit it as they will be beaten by their comrades.

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    another ian

    Re the comments in what might be #25

    “Alan McCrae Moorehead, AO, OBE (22 July 1910 – 29 September 1983) was a war correspondent and author of popular histories, most notably two books on the nineteenth-century exploration of the Nile, The White Nile (1960) and The Blue Nile (1962).”

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Moorehead

    In one of those he made the observation that (IIRC) “Islam was a violent religion that was spreading in Africa” as opposed to Christianity which wasn’t.

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    Dennis

    When will there be a constitutional law based investigation into Indigenous Affairs such as State primary responsibility so what role does the Commonwealth have apart from territories, Federal Land Rights legislation, State enacting treaties and voice legislation, Federal planning for a Makarratta (Treaty) Commission, funding and paper trails, Land Councils, root and branch industry coverage?

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      Ross

      Probably never Dennis, to answer your question. It’s like asking for a COVID Royal Commission. All both would do is uncover the utter incompetence of both bureaucracy and politicians in this country.

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    John Connor II

    MOB RULE Executions, bombings & child assassins – how Sweden became a gangland hell ruled by druglords Kurdish Fox & The Greek

    SWEDEN has become a gangland bloodbath plagued by executions, bomb attacks, and child soldiers rampaging the streets.

    Innocent bystanders – including a 12-year-old girl – are being gunned down as a country that was once deemed peaceful and safe becomes a terrifying gangster paradise.

    Just two decades ago, Sweden had one of the lowest gun violence deaths per capita in Europe.

    Now it is at the top of the league – with 2.5 times the European average.

    Last year, more than 60 people died in shootings in Sweden – the highest on record, and this year is set to be the same or worse.

    Sweden’s prime minister has been forced to summon the head of the armed forces to help curb the surge in gang killings – vowing to “hunt” down gangs and “defeat” them.

    Gangs are hiring child assassins, “furnishing them with weapons” and giving them the addresses of targets, according to police chief Anders Thornberg.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/24114449/

    Maybe some nice ABBA music to soothe the savage beasts?
    Just like in South America, a drug cartel warzone, send in the military and wipe them out.
    No sympathy, no prisoners, no tolerance.

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      Dave in the States

      They don’t have a 2nd Ammendment there do they?

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      Harves

      Now how did guns suddenly become so much more dangerous.🤔
      It’s enough to make one think that gun violence may not actually be caused by the guns …

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        John Connor II

        Now, there was a school shooter in the USA back in the late 60’s I think that killed 3 dozen with a bolt action.
        But Biden wants to ban guns that can hold 100 rounds in the chamber. Does the old twit have a clue about anything?

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    DLK

    QLD premier Palaszczuk pushing ahead with treaty anyway, despite referendum result.

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      KP

      Ah, why am I not surprised.. Did anyone really think the politicians believe the vote means anything when it comes to making laws?? Its only there to get them in the set of power, to allow them to force others to do their bidding, to make them rich for the rest of their lives.

      Election votes yes, referenda votes, definitely not!

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      wal1957

      Her pix is in the dictionary…filed under dumb.

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    OldOzzie

    Unusually something useful from The Sydney Moaning Herald

    Given my own area Balgowlah Boys High Booth was only 39.4% NO, surprised to see over the Bridge – Beauty Point Public School 44.1% NO, Balmoral Scout Hall 42.1% NO & Mosman Square Seniors Centre 42.4% NO

    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/interactive-see-how-your-polling-booth-voted-on-the-voice-20231015-p5ecck.html

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    Ross

    Ok, so some of us are basking in the glory of the repudiation of the YES referendum today. Great, true democracy at work. But now I am a little concerned that the result of the referendum could be ignored. So, very similar to BREXIT where true outcomes have not been yet realised for the UK separation from the EU. I am now hearing about UNDRIP (United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples). Firstly via comments made by Lydia Thorpe on a panel and further comments today via social media. UNDRIP ( from my reading ) is basically the WA Cultural Heritage act on steroids. Guess what – like all the state VOICE equivalents (SA, Vic) it is supported by the Uniparty. So, all the major right of centre parties at both state and now federal level have shown their support for this agreement as well as Labor/Greens. Just another reason Australia should quit the UN.

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      DLK

      one world government = the UN

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      Dennis

      United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples – UNDRIP – was signed by Rudd Labor 2007 to 2013. Indigenous activists from Australia were involved in the creation processes via Aboriginal & Torres Straits Islander Commission – ATSIC – and at the same time were preparing what became Uluru Statement.

      However UNDRIP rules require that consent be obtained from Indigenous Peoples before anything is done, legislated, referendum, on their behalf. Uluru Statement acknowledged this requirement. But the remaining 300-plus “Mobs” were not given the opportunity.

      In fact the Ulruru Statement was adopted at a convention at a Yalara resort NT some 25 kilometres from Uluru. According to Warren Mundine who attended the Anangu elders were are angry that it was named for their country, because it’s not their culture.

      The convention was attended by 250 delegates, hand-picked from about a dozen Dialogues (at which attendance was capped at 100, with 60 reserved for First Nations groups – and invitations – only aimed at consensus.

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        Dennis

        The Albanese Labor Government intends to proceed with a Makarratta Commission I understand, Makarratta is Arnhem Land NT culture and language of 13 Mobs there, a treaty-reparations process.

        The activists desperately needed a yes vote and Voice+Treaty+Truth telling Makarratta locked into the Constitution and to become constitutional law as the hidden details of objectives would reveal, and as some activists admitted during the referendum campaigning.

        As former PM Howard said decades ago, there cannot be a treaty between fellow Australians.

        But the leftists always manage to find a way to impose their agendas, and the Coalition rarely has the courage to oppose them, particularly when faced with moral blackmail tactics. And the woke voters they thought were conservative supporters.

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        DLK

        “rules require that consent be obtained from Indigenous Peoples before anything is done”

        so that explains the real motivation for ‘the voice’

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      Brenda Spence

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_utLF9KSGeY&si=Wt8Zkkrxp_DIiPd2

      Very interesting… we dodged a bullet! The story behind the Voice…UNDRIP.

      (16 mins I think)

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    David Maddison

    If you are interested in raising money for traditional conservative causes, many of the usual online crowd funding sites will refuse to participate.

    This is not an advertisement but the founders of GiveSendGo will allow fund raising for conservatives and just about any other legal organisations, including ones conservatives would find objectionable.

    The organisers don’t take a stand as long as the group is legal and activities are legal, e.g. no money laundering or funding for terrorism or other crimes etc.. Terms at https://www.givesendgo.com/terms-of-use

    But it’s like free speech, you have to take the good with the bad if you are offering an open platform.

    It is not clear to what extent they have in fact been used in fund raising for objectionable groups because the main criticism comes from the Left and they call just about all conservatives “extremists” or “national socialists”, they have rendered the terms meaningless.

    It’s worth a look if you are crowdfunding for a conservative or other honourable cause.

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      mawm

      Were they not the crowd that refused to pass the money collected on to the Canadian Trucker convoy? I believe the protest was legal but only labeled by Trudeau as Nazi’s, racists and white supremacists with nothing to back it up.

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    KP

    An interesting little spot of information-

    “Bulgaria has imposed a tax on Russian pipeline gas supplied through its territory to the broader EU…The new regulation comes into force immediately and introduces a tax of 20 Bulgarian lev ($10.76) per megawatt-hour, or roughly 100 cubic meters, of Russian natural gas transited through the country.

    Experts warn that Bulgaria’s new tax could jeopardize supplies to a number of Southern European countries, including Hungary and Serbia, which continue to rely on Russia for most of their gas needs. Hungarian Foreign Minister Peter Szijjarto called the measure “unacceptable.”

    “There seem to be new attempts to jeopardize the security of Hungary’s energy supply and make Hungarian-Russian energy cooperation, including natural gas transportation, impossible… For a European Union member state to threaten another EU member’s gas supply is contrary to European solidarity, rules, and is unacceptable,””

    So, America leaned on Bulgaria to enter the fray and make life hard for Hungary after all their rude comments and pro-Russian stance. Serbia they intend to disintegrate when they can anyway.

    https://www.rt.com/business/584903-bulgaria-tax-russian-gas/

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    KP

    ..and South Africa’s woes with providing electricity have nothing to do with people stealing the copper lines, stealing the spare parts for generation equipment, lack of maintenance from when the Blacks took power to strip Eskom of money, outright corruption from Blacks appointed to positions of power right through the electrical industry, or even a massive electrification program for the townships where people stole power or just refused to pay their bills..

    “South Africa has been subjected to years of load shedding (enduring regular power outages) as state-owned electricity provider Eskom struggled to meet demand due to frequent breakdowns at its aging coal-fired power stations.”

    Its all the fault of the coal industry.. How a great country has fallen since the 1980s.

    https://www.rt.com/africa/583902-south-africa-new-electricity-regulation-bill/

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    william x

    If any are interested.
    Latest Li-ion fire – E bike battery exploded in a unit/apartment. Causing fire.

    Incident occurred this morning, 16th October 2023.
    FRNSW crews were responded to a fire alarm in Yurong Street, Darlinghurst, 11.20am. (Sydney NSW)

    The video below is the official FRNSW release. It reveals the post incident damage to the apartment. Video released today at 14:26 hrs.

    https://vimeo.com/874651697/1e1a742acd

    Vid is 50 seconds long.

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    John Connor II

    The heart of Jenin: documentary

    JC2 note: Martin A. mentioned this old doco a few days back, but it’s been elusive.

    The Heart of Jenin is a 2008 documentary film written and directed by Marcus Vetter and Leon Geller. The film tells the story of Ismael Khatib from Jenin, a Palestinian whose son was shot by Israeli soldiers. Instead of seeking revenge, he donated his son’s organs to Israeli children. In April 2010, The Heart of Jenin won the German Film Award for Best Documentary Film. The film also served as a springboard for the project Cinema Jenin.

    https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn3.cultureunplugged.com/lg/THE_HEART_OF_JENIN_5234.mp4

    English subs.
    Maybe there is hope for them. If they really want it.

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    another ian

    FWIW

    “The Allied Strategic Bombing Campaign Of World War II Holds Important Lessons For Today

    https://spencerfernando.com/2023/10/13/the-allied-strategic-bombing-campaign-of-world-war-ii-holds-important-lessons-for-today/

    Via SDA

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      Dave in the States

      While it’s partly true that because of the lack of accuracy the Allies were forced to resort to area bombing, the central theme in the article that the civilian deaths were just collateral damage as the Allies destroyed miltary and industrial targets is fundementally flawed. Look up Curtis LeMay and Arthur Harris.

      Between the wars the theory of strategic bombing was developed by military planners. An Italian named Guilio Douhet wrote a series of books that proposed airforces could by-pass the front lines and carry war directly to the civilian populations the armies and navies protected and represented. Total war. The concept was so horrible that it was argued that it would quickly force a decision bringing and a quick end to any conflict. Killing the enemy’s civilian population to shorten the war, but no more trench warfare or invasion beeches. That was always the dirty little secret. Except it didn’t work. The fire bombings of Hamburg, Dresden, Tokyo, Nagoya, Oosaka, London…. actually strengthened the resolve the enemy.

      From the start it was an escalation from ineffective bombing of ports and factories to finally bombing cities, but the dirty little secret was always there lurking.

      How it played out:

      The RAF switched to area bombing at night very early- no later than 1940.

      The Americans first tried bombing military and industrial targets by day; thinking that technology such as centimetric radar and the Nordin bomb sight would provide the required precision. It didn’t. The American bombing campaign in Europe evolved to forcing the Luftwaffe to defend the civilian population and the factories, so that the Mustangs could destroy the German Airforce. The German Air Force had to be destroyed before the D-day Invasion could take place.

      The German Air Force failed to destroy the RAF during the Battle of Brtain so they could not invade Britain. The German Air Force was a Tactical airforce designed to support their armies, rather than fight an air war.

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      Hanrahan

      Interesting. Written by a pragmatist not an ideologue.

      Warriors win wars, peacenics waste the win.

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    another ian

    FWIW

    “Ready, Fire, Aim: Explode!”

    “Hydrogen Subsidies are Stupid

    On Friday, 13 October, the White House triumphantly announced it is awarding $7 billion to seven “hydrogen hubs,” making the following statement:”

    More at https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/10/15/ready-fire-aim-explode/

    Prepare for “ElBowen” to up the ante

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    another ian

    FWIW

    “CLOSING THE GAP”

    Australia you dodged a bullet
    As the dust settles on a bruising, divisive, reckless, even negligent national campaign, many of us are reviewing what went wrong and what might have been.

    First let’s dispel a few myths from the Yes23 campaign.”

    More at

    https://richardsonpost.com/paulzanetti/33401/closing-the-indigenous-gap-requires-practical-action/

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      Honk R Smith

      First, as a stupid American (even worse for being Southern) I’ve made some effort to understand what the ‘Yes’ referendum was about.
      Damn thing seems awfully vague to me.

      Reparations
      Land rent
      Non of this stuff will be paid even if they had won.
      IMHO, not much different than ‘renewable energy’, primarily a grift by the circle jerk political system to siphon from the magic infinite well of other people’s money*.
      The successful BIPOCs, are already in place to reap the harvest.

      This global phenomenon, mass formation, likely manipulated, gives not a wit about ‘Constitutions’ and law.
      These things are Western constructs.
      These constructs are the target.
      The are flanking as we speak.

      We can all go to a remote Aboriginal town, an Appalachian holler, or an inner city ghetto, or homeless tent camp … or just to Portland … and pour money on them …

      it won’t help.

      Honestly, so many people I know personally are so overtaken by climate paranoia, COVID neurosis, and Trump Derangement Syndrome, I can barely speak to them.
      Truly, the slightest accidental reference, sarcasm or a joke, sets them off.

      *(This well is going to run dry. ‘Normal’ people, that don’t have some claim of ‘marginalization’, are the target of this Global Mass Formation and marked for extinction. In most of the Western World, the folk, largely men, that make and build, farmers, truckers, fathers that want to provide for and protect their kids, are demonized. Just watch any Netflix drama or BBC production.)

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        Honk R Smith

        “fathers that want to provide for and protect their kids, are demonized. Just watch any Netflix drama or BBC production”

        You can also just go to Canada.

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    yarpos

    I have been wondering about the role of immigration in the NO vote. We have a lot of people in Australia who have come to a new country and are working hard to make their way. They have no indoctrination in indigenous grievances and probably little empathy with indigenous struggles vs anyone else’s.

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      KP

      What was the rate of voting in Western Sydney and Adelaide & the West of Melb, the new immigrant places? The interviews I saw/heard of with immigrants showed they either didn’t understand at all or couldn’t give a sht about it.

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    another ian

    More FWIW

    “The Voice: Who Owns the Earth?”

    “he premise of original ownership is typically invoked as the legal basis of land-rights on behalf of tribal communities which enjoyed exclusive occupation of the land in question prior to European colonisation. I contest this premise on the grounds of logical consistency, as it implicitly affirms superior ownership rights stemming from the common human ancestry that predates any subsequent colonisation. While I focus on the claims of original ownership applicable to Australia, the argument extends to all continents and regions.”

    More at

    https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/the-voice/2023/10/the-voice-who-owns-the-earth/

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    another ian

    FWIW !!!

    “Greens want $250M of your money for an ‘Anti-Peter-Dutton-Misinformation Truth-Commission’
    Monday, 16 October 2023”

    https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2023/10/greens-want-250m-of-your-money-for-an-anti-peter-dutton-misinformation-truth-commission.html

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    another ian

    “What Would We Do Without Economists?”

    “Bloomberg predicts recession, complains how mainstream economists keep getting it wrong.

    In fact, the “Soft Landing” line has been trotted out before every single actual recession since 1969. To the point the phrase itself is a red flag, like “our banking system is fundamentally sound.”

    If Bloomberg wonders why top economists get it so wrong, the truth is pretty simple: they’re paid to get it wrong.”

    https://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2023/10/16/what-would-we-do-without-economists/

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    another ian

    I guess the US government will be thanked for their action?

    “Americans who took the Biden administration up on its offer to help evacuate from Israel were, unfortunately, dumped in Cyprus, Athens, or Germany and warned that they would need to pay for the transportation costs and find their own way back to the U.S., which Lincoln Brown wrote about last week. They were required to sign promissory notes agreeing to repay the U.S. government for travel costs.”

    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/paula-bolyard/2023/10/16/desantis-airlift-179-adults-91-children-and-two-dogs-rescued-from-israel-with-more-to-come-n1735419

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      Lance

      This is a quirk of US law. Availability of Funds law. And Agency funding law.

      A US Agency cannot obligate funds it does not have, that were not specifically authorized for a specific purpose, by Congress, in their budget. One year ago, nobody funded any Gaza evacuation costs. Therefore, no funds are available.

      To get around that, the evacuees sign a promissory note. This allows US State Dept to buy their airline tickets as it skirts the issue of funding and authorization, legally.

      The question is whether the Agency is reimbursed or the evacuee is held liable. This is a formality and a political question.

      I’ve no answer to anything, other than to explain the process.

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