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German member addressing the EU parliment. Never trust your government.
Worth a listen.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/eA1xfVkVN7wH/
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and when you do “follow” within the EU: Weniger Schweine und Rinder in den Schlachthäusern = Fewer Pigs and Cattle in the Abattoirs . Demand for cereals ( wheat ) and so on… Start rocking the boat and get sick, or ?
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“The economics of it just won’t work – and it’ll be terrible for the environment: Australia’s leading expert on cell-based meat speaks out on latest study”
https://www.mla.com.au/news-and-events/industry-news/the-economics-of-it-just-wont-work–and-itll-be-terrible-for-the-environment-australias-leading-expert-on-cell-based-meat-speaks-out-on-latest-study/
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“Is the sun really Green?”
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2023/06/06/is-the-sun-really-green/
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“Hoist with his own petard”
If revenge is a dish best served cold then there is no sweeter justice than that meted out by the perpetrator on themselves.
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Tucker’s Back! In Triumphant Return, Demolishes Ukraine Dam Propaganda, Massacres MSM For Ignoring UFO ‘Bombshell Of The Millennium’
Tucker Carlson unveiled Episode 1 of his ‘Tucker on Twitter’ adventure – which gained 10 million views in just over two hours – and the topic du jour is simple; government propaganda and the lying liars that spew it.
His jumping off point is the bombing of the Kakhova dam… by Putin himself, if you believe the western media because ‘he is evil and evil people do evil things… even to themselves’ (despite the detailed explanation below of why that is simply farcical).
Carlson then took the media to task for ignoring yesterday’s “bombshell of the millennium,’ in which a government whistleblower revealed that craft developed by non-human intelligence has been recovered by governments around the world in an 80-year race to reverse engineer materials for geopolitical advantages.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/tuckers-back-triumphant-return-demolishes-ukraine-dam-propaganda-massacres-msm-ignoring
Oh dear…is the truth coming out then? 😁😁
How will the sheeple cope?
UAP’s? Can’t wait for absolute proof of ET.
Gen Z had best start learning to make baa-baa noises:
Nearly A Third Of GenZ Favors ‘Government Surveillance Cameras In Every Household’
Nearly one-third of Generation Z says they’d be just fine with government-installed surveillance cameras in every household under the guise of reducing domestic violence and other illegal activity.
“Would you favor or oppose the government installing surveillance cameras in every household to reduce domestic violence, abuse, and other illegal activity?” asks a new survey from the Cato Institute. Of the responses, 29% of those aged 18-29 said yes.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/totally-orwellian-nearly-third-genz-favors-government-surveillance-cameras-every
They’re in favour until they suffer in some way, like the Amazon Ring and numerous others fiascos.
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FWIW – Ukraine
Yes? No? Maybe?
“Portmortem Analysis on Kakhovka Dam Breach”
https://simplicius76.substack.com/p/portmortem-analysis-on-kakhovka-dam
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Like the Nordsteam pipeline, Russia could have opened the floodgates at any time. Why blow up your own property? And deprive Crimea of fresh water, which was a major reason for the war in the first place?
And the Ukraine military had been targeting the dam for some time to test their ability to blow it up. Just as Joe Biden said they would not allow Nordstream 2 to be used, without being specific.
The idea that the Russians are mad and evil as well as stupid is just propaganda. And it works. What can you expect of Untermenschen?
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Aunty thinks the Russians did it.
‘Ukraine has accused Russia of blowing up the Nova Kakhovka dam to try to stop its armed forces from crossing the Dnieper River during the counteroffensive.’ (ABC)
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“Aunty thinks the Russians did it.’
Then you can be ABSOLUTELY CERTAIN that they didn’t !
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Actually it makes their crossing safer. The Russians had extensively mined the East bank of the Dneiper. Now all that is underwater. That alone would justify blowing up the dam, but it also cripples power supplies for the Russians and denies fresh water to Crimea. The higher West bank is much better off. And if Russia wanted to flood the area to stop the ‘counteroffensive’ they only had to open the flood gates. Now that option is gone.
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I wonder why they think the Russians just wouldn’t open the floodgates rather than blowing up their own infrastructure?
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‘How will the sheeple cope?’
Easily, over 65% of Americans already believe.
The UAP seen by the US navy pilots was possibly manufactured in the US.
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The cameras in every house idea would work much better if every house in the street was on a party line so you could see what your neighbours were up to. It would be much like the cavemen days when whole families lived in one cave and privacy had not yet been invented.
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CDC Warns that Pride Events Could Spawn Massive Monkeypox Outbreak
Only weeks after approving revamped guidelines that allow gay men to donate blood without previously-required screening for AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases largely prevalent in the LGBT community, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention sounded the alarm for a potential outbreak of monkeypox.
In an ominous assessment issued late last month, the CDC warned that an “uptick in mpox cases in Chicago that began in mid-April underscores the risk of renewed mpox outbreaks, which we judge is substantial across the United States.”
Mpox, the preferred moniker since monkeypox was cancelled as racist by Biden regime leftists, has remained relatively rare in the general population while persisting to cause concern for LGBT communities where transmission rates are highest.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/cdc-warns-pride-events-could-spawn-massive-monkeypox-outbreak
Reap what you sow. The problem is that the 99% of the population pays the price for your “lifestyle”.
Maybe a “pride” (what exactly are you proud of anyway?) day instead of a month.
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Deadly bacteria that kills up to 50% of patients now ENDEMIC to US gulf coast, CDC expert says, just a year after it was first detected in the country.
A deadly bacteria that kills up to 50 percent of people it infects has now been listed as endemic along the US gulf coast.
Dr Julia Petras, an epidemiologist at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) who made the warning, said Burkholderia pseudomallei was now likely lurking in soil and stagnant water across the 1,600 miles from Texas to Florida.
People infected with the bacteria suffer melioidosis, a severe condition that can trigger pneumonia and sepsis and can be fatal.
Doctors are now on alert for the disease, which can initially be misdiagnosed as another infection.
The CDC declaration comes less than a year after it was detected in the US for the first time in soil from the Mississippi coast.
Dr Petras said: ‘It’s estimated that there’s probably 160,000 cases a year around the world and 80,000 deaths.
‘This is one of those diseases that is also called the great mimicker because it can look like a lot of different things.
‘It’s greatly under-reported and under-diagnosed and under-recognized — we often like to say that it’s been the neglected tropical disease.’
The bacteria — also known as B. psuedomallei — is native to tropical areas in South East Asia and northern Australia.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12165835/Deadly-bacteria-kills-50-patients-ENDEMIC-gulf-coast-CDC-expert-says.html
Like I daid a few days ago – don’t kid yourself that it needs to be a virus to create a pandemic…
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I noted on the CDC map that the Northern half of Australia was in the zone as well but I have not heard of any reports of unexpected deaths or outbreaks of a strange disease. The soil is full of e-coli which can also be deadly but death is rare.
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This disease is quite well known in the australian “top end”. A wet season disease bourne in the soil becoming a problem when the water table rises. Infects people immunosupressed (poorly controlled diabetes) and via open wounds on feet (good proportion of population there!). Some spread via respiratory tract when aerosolised.
Diagnosic difficulty is that it needs specific culture medium, so not diagnosed on routine tests. Not generally contagious, so unlikely to develop into epidemic.
Travels in the blood to form infections/abscesses in many organs: liver, prostate,bone, lungs etc!
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Thanks Damo. Always good to get those details.
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Damo,
Do you know if that mortality rate is the experience in the “top end”?
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I started Monday’s unthreaded with the news that a Cessna Citation [a Near Jet] crashed with an unresponsive pilot. I guessed depressurisation, JCII thought pilot incapacitation from causes which cannot be named.
JCII was closer than I. It definitely wasn’t depressurisation because the F16 pilots could see the pilot slumped over the controls. A depressurised aircraft frosts the windows at altitude.
Dan Grider explains here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0G9sthn8bU
He thinks that single pilot aircraft should have a student pilot [at least] in the right seat. Untrained people can land modern jets on long runways with instructions.
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Grim realities that must be faced and acted upon in order to be better prepared for the next, inevitable assault on humanity.
https://www.technocracy.news/brownstone-twenty-grim-realities-revealed-by-lockdowns/
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That is a very good list! The things that we gave up without thinking about just because a new flu came along. Where were the churches defending their people? Why did one class have to serve another class who could just sit at home to work? How did big business get to advance their market share by staying open while smaller businesses were forced to shut?…
“But within an instant, mobs of people fell into medieval-style panics, hunting down non-compliers and hiding from the invisible miasma. They had a mission. They were ferreting out dissidents and ratting out the non-compliers. None of this would have happened otherwise. Just like in the Cultural Revolution of China, these would-be members of the Red Guard became foot soldiers for the state. “
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The myth of EVs and insufficient grid generation.
Debates on EV adoption frequently include such phrases as..
“ there is not enough grid generation to support mass EV conversion”..
..” if all transport is changed to EVs , it will need “x%” more grid generating capacity”……
( where “x%” is anything from 20-60% !)
So, some data to shed some light on this…
The ABS tells us there are 20 m registered vehicles on the roads..
Of which 73% (15m?) are passenger vehicles, and another 17% (3.4m ?) are “light commercial” ..leaving just 10% for trucks, busses, etc..
ABS also reveals that the average distance travelled by each passenger vehicles is 35 km/day.
And simple checks of EV performance stats confirms a power usage of typically less than 0.2 kWh per km.
So if each vehicle were an EV , it would be using 7kWh per day.!
Taking that 73% of the vehicle fleet then, those 15m passenger vehicles would require ..15m x 7 kWh = 105 GWh total each day to recharge them all.
Now, whilst that 105GWh sounds a lot, and is indeed about 20% of our current daily total grid demand (~550GWh)……BUT …
…..it is not so big compare to our current grid GENERATION capacity !
From Anero.id
East coast grid installed capacity..
Fossil fuels……32.5 GW ….780 GWh per day
Wind…………….10.2 GW…..80 GWh per day @ 30% cf
Solar…………….8.8. GW……60GWh per day @ 25% cf
Hydro……………7.9 GW…….50GWh per day @25% cf
TOTAL. Potential daily generation capacity…970 GWh !
Even ignoring all the wind and solar etc, it is apparent there is more than enough GENERATING CAPACITY currently available to satisfy any amount of possible EV adoption !
Obviously, this situation is changing as we distroy our current fossil fuel generators, and it is not as simple as throwing a switch to release this capacity, …but there is no case to argue that more capacity would be needed for EV recharging.
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Let me guess, Chad. You are in your 20’s, a public servant, probably federal.
And your job involves preparing, presenting, or using bureaucracy statistics.
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Nope. Like so many OWMs, if he makes a decision, in this case buying an EV, he will stick by it with ruthless devotion until his final breath.
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“he will stick by it with ruthless devotion until his final breath”
Sort of like “climate change™” believers !
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..Guess again !.. you couldnt be more wrong !
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Unfortunately Chad, electricity distribution systems cannot be designed on averages. A bit like bridge, aircraft designs, etc. We know very well that we have energy peaks in the morning and evenings, and I’m guessing that when folks come home at night in their EV, or after a long weekend away, the first thing they will do is to plug in their EVs to charge. Everybody, all within the same few evening hours.
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Unfortunately “everybody” is incorrect;you need extra numbers for the equation.
How many will be topping up their days usage (@35km on average) every nights? How many will be filling an almost empty battery and how many not at all? How many will be fast charging and how many will spread that load over a whole night. How many will charge off their stored solar? How many will have a time delay to take advantage of lower tariffs?
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Yes, leaving an EV battery EMPTY is the obvious choice. ! 😉
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Battery stored solar can:
A/ Charge your EV
or
B/ Reduce your grid usage during the two peak demand periods
not both.
This highlights the absurdity of of saying you can generate hydrogen from renewables.
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Isnt charging your EV reducing your grid usage? its just another load. Of course your grid usage just goes up again when you repeat the cycle if you don’t have the ideal weather conditions that solar enthusiasts think exists all the time everywhere. Setting aside cost and practicality of even having storage for many people, certainly not the norm for the average consumer.
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You have an EV, I have an Ice. You charge your car, I reduce consumption saving 30c/kWh or save on the installation in the first place.
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Sure, but I thought we were talking about charging an EV , didn’t realize ICE was part of the conversation
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After you charge up your car on electricity from the solar battery at home on Monday, what do you use on Tuesday. And what electricity you use on Tuesday won’t be available to use to refill your solar battery …… how will that be filled ?
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The grid shall supply or you just have to believe in really sunny Tuesdays
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Yep. That’s what I said, but without the explanatory details.
Chad’s managers /mentors probably cut their teeth designing the 2016 online census fiasco.
Exactly the same computer-modelled, flawed logic.
Interesting to note that 65,000 homes in Adelaide lost power yesterday in a bit of a storm.
Again.
Pity they haven’t got any more coal-fired power stations to blow up.
Bureaucratic computer modelling has proved conclusively that the less baseload power generation you have, the more reliable supply becomes.
And cheaper too.
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Living in the roaring 40s is a double edged sword: You get bettern’ average wind for your windmills but you also get high winds.
I experienced one blow that broke an airplane, flattened glass houses and bent stobie poles on the plains.
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Nothing to do with “renewables” or destroyed coal plants. Here is the real story behind any power issues in SA.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-03-16/bat-boom-raises-risk-of-power-blackouts/102103796
A wonderful combination of being able to blame eastern invaders and a bit of “Look Squirrel!!” or bat/flying fox in this case.
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If you are going to take up mind reading ..
..as they say,..” dont give up your day job”
Hint..
I am not 20 …
I am not a public servant
I am not a bureaucrat..
I dont have a job preparing , presenting or using statistics..
I dont have managers or mentors..
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Ahh !… the old instant , shoot from the hip reply.
Read it again, …As i said, it is not as simple as throwing a switch, there would be many issues,..such as demand management ( sheduled recharge times for economic rates ?) etc..
…and of course, retaining the generation capacity we already have !
Think also, that the “average” recharge of 7kWh, can be done in a matter of minutes !
Then remember that getting that 15 million EVs on the road wont happen quickly (if ever ?) ,..i would not expect even 5 million by 2030, and 2050 probably wont see more than 50% EV penitration !……so there is plenty of time to reorganise or even rebuild the grid.
BUT,.. my main point is ,..we currently have more than enough GENERATION capacity!
It is just being very badly utilised and managed !
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Not really Chad. If you recall, an electrical installer from Melbourne was involved in a correct systems analysis, which produced issues at each step up the distribution ladder. It was obvious from his info that we simply cannot resolve this problem without major changes to our entire power distribution network at every level, regardless of how much power is available.
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I fully understand your point G4
But all i am saying is that contrary to popular belief …we have the GENERATION capacity to support as many EVs as you can envisage.,!
…the distribution and access may be a mess, but they are separate issues.
AND bear in mind the likely rate of uptake with the consequent timescales…20-30 years at best before there are serious numbers of EVs on the road.
It is almost “catch 22”,…..
.. EVs wont sell if the recharge facilities are not available, and the infrastructure investment wont happen unless the EV market picks up rapidly.
At the moment, both are happening at a snails pace !
The Grid has far bigger issues with the integration of RE generation, than it does with distribution of existing capacity.
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You should tell the AEMO that they have plenty of generation capacity in NSW, they will be glad to hear that.
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And the bureaucrat brain strikes again!
“demand management?
People come home from work around 6.00pm, put their car on charge, go inside and turn the a/c – heating on, right about the same time cooking starts in the kitchen. System overload, power shedding, blackout.
Grubbymint imposes “demand management”. Has no effect on people who can afford the expense of an EV. They come home from work around 6.00pm, put their car on charge, go inside and turn the a/c – heating on, right about the same time cooking starts in the kitchen. System overload, power shedding, blackout.
Grubbymint imposes fines for charging cars during peak load hours. Unfortunately nearly impossible to detect as everybody now using electricity for cooking and hot water after gas demonised to hide previous grubbymint stuff-ups. end result?
People come home from work around 6.00pm, put their car on charge, go inside and turn the a/c – heating on, right about the same time cooking starts in the kitchen. System overload, power shedding, blackout.
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There are many forms of managing demand loads.
EVs charging may well require a separate supply and metering system, that can be “managed” in many ways to spread the demand to avoid distribution overloads.
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Would it not be easier to forget about EV’s that are the answer to a non existent problem ?
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I think folks will do this anyway, after realising the short battery lifetimes and low second-hand values when nobody wants to buy one.
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… or you can just let the electricity company draw all the EV battery power when they want to.
That would be great for getting to work in the morning. ! 😉
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As long as they leave the uniform 35km average range to get you to your designated charger at work , no problem. You have one of those don’t you?
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As we shut down more coal fired generators, where is the reliable generation capacity going to come from ? Let’s look into the leftist greenie future…NSW for example. Rainy weather all up the NSW coast and all we have are wind turbines and solar with perhaps some batteries and the magic hydrogen generator in the Hunter ( maybe ). All those figures you have presented look wonderful if you have reliable 24/7 generators. In due course, we won’t. So…how do we then charge a fleet of EV’s and also keep the lights on ?
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With regard to grid capacity of potential generation 970Gwh you calculated. And a consumption of only 550gwh. Suggesting we have 400 spare in our system. Why do we have the need for load shedding and shutting down some industry at times? Could it be that your averages just don’t work for a real world exercise?
You’ve calculated 105Gwh consumption of cars based on average per day. You’ve ignored the light commercial vehicles and trucks/buses.
According to Wiki, a truck uses 1.25kw/km. That’s 6.25 times your stated car use of 0.2kw/km.
Don’t know about a bus but let’s adopt the truck rate and the small 10% (2mil vehicles) becomes equivalent to 12.5mil cars compared to the 15mil cars you calculated. Do trucks average just 35km per day? I doubt it. What truck driver drives for an hour or less a day?
If a truck averages twice as many km as a car (I expect it’s more) you can see that the 105Gwh you calculated for cars is around 200 for trucks.
The light commercial would average a lot more km than a car and consume double kw at least. Your 105Gwh for vehicles seems to be climbing more toward 500Gwh per day rather than 105gwh.
With regard to grid capacity of potential generation 970Gwh you calculated. Most of this charging would be after 5pm, so take solar out. And what if there is a bout of little wind after 5pm. You’re down to basically fossil fuel and hydro and you’ve added a demand of 400 – 500 gwh to the 550gwh you say is the current demand, just based on averages.
Looks to me based on your averages method it doesn’t work. We already know in the real world generation and load shedding it doesn’t work too.
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..i dod not calculate the 970 GWh existing generation capacity..
That is a known figure (Anero.id) .
The reason we have issues currently with load shedding etc , is due to poor planning , the failure of RE to function, and a distorted energy market system. Generally crap management and organisation, integrated with political decisions.
It used to function effectively until politics and green strategies were introduced.
I did not include trucks or “light commercials” since none of those are actually available in commercial form as yet in Au…and as such no reliable data is available…as you realised by your own estimates at consumption and mileage.
Even the most ardent EV enthusiasts still speculate that heavy haulage, busses, Ag vehicles etc, will remain diesel fueled for the foreseable future.
Why do you assume most of the EV charging will be after 6 pm ?..that is a pretty tunnel vision comment.
Many EV owners already charge from RT solar ( the Green virtue signalers) and with an “average” recharge of just 7 kWh that can be repeated by anyone with the use of a relatively small domestic storage battery to collect the power ready for an overnight top up of the EV. !
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If anybody pays extra for a home battery they haven’t done their sums, because they won’t be able to repay the battery outlay before it fails.
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Its not really a financial decision for many, more an act of faith and a badge of virtue,
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Exactly, ..there is no financial logic in the Green movement.
Those buying EVs obviously are not concerned about the cost and are likely the same group that have installed RT solar, ( maybe even with battery storage already ?)
Either way, they would not balk at a few $$$k more for a uneconomic battery .
They are already committed to the revolution ! 🙄
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I see your point. We aren’t talking about logical thinking here.
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Because I think many people use their cars during the day or the car is parked away from power sources during the day in a car park or wherever. Plus the many people who park in the street will only charge with an extension cord out to the car while they’re home at night. Plus the light commercial fleet is generally being driven around during the day.
I think it’s a fair assumption that most of the charging will be at night. Unless you seriously expect every car parking bay and away from home parking option to be retrofitted with chargers. But even if it is done during the day. The solar component you listed isn’t that significant for the extra demand that will be generated. The notion still fails.
Now you’re talking about people having solar and battery storage on their homes so they can charge their car at night from solar power. Huge expense and isn’t that a form of the required generation expansion you say isn’t required?
Funny. Many of the 15 million vehicles you calculated replacing aren’t available either. Anyway, you can’t try and discredit claims of the grid being inadequate by only including about 20% of the vehicle charging demand.
Isn’t there? Wiki had the truck data. I just didn’t look for other data because I knew there was little need to do so to illustrate the flaw in your claim.
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How do you figure only 20% ?
The 15m vehicles i used represents the entire passenger vehicle fleet !
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Per my above rough figures that the 15mil cars at 105gwh is 20% of the charging demand for all vehicles when including commercial vehicles and trucks.
I know you want to remove the trucks etc because you don’t think you can adequately calculate their component. But it’s not a reasonable assessment of grid capacity and moving to electric vehicles without including the commercial and truck component.
Anyway, grid averages is not the way to calculate grid adequacy.
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Well, that was why I said 20%.
Ok, noting the ABS stats below at your comment #10.3.2 The rough figures I nominally allowed for commercial and truck might be high but the figures you have are low.
Doesn’t matter given averages don’t work for checking the grid.
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Yet freight vehicles and diesel passenger vehicles account for more than two-thirds of the energy used by road motor vehicles in Australia.
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Please check facts before commenting..
“Freight” vehicles,…rigid and articulated trucks… amount to only 3.1% (650,000)of the total road vehicles !
And consume only 23% of the total fuel used …(not “two-thirds”)
https://www.savvy.com.au/the-state-of-electric-trucks-in-australia/
“Diesel passenger vehicles”… are included in the 15 m previously mentioned.
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My reference is the ABS survey of motor vehicle use for 2020 accounting year, specifically the table of vehicle fuel consumption, with my adjustment for thermo efficiency of engine type, and the specific energy content of the fuels.
TABLE: Australian vehicle tractive energy (GWhr/day)
Petrol ….. Diesel
99.1 …….. 45.1 .….. Passenger vehicles
10.8 …….. 154 ……. Freight vehicles
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Ok, .. lets correct some of this delusional propaganda with a few more facts ..!
1) acording to the ABS , the “average” daily mileage of 35km ( 33 actually !) is the average of ALL 20 m ROAD VEHICLES. ! …including trucks ,busses, utes, vans motorbikes, etc !
https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/industry/tourism-and-transport/survey-motor-vehicle-use-australia/latest-release
2) trucks, rigid and articulated comprise only 3.1% (650,000) of all road vehicles.
…So even using the 1.5kWh/km, that would only anount to an additional 28 GWh of recharge power…not the 200 you guesstimated !
3) further , the remaining group of 3.4m light commercials (17% of vehicles) , ..vans, utes, etc , again averaging 35 km/day,…may well use more energy than a passenger car..(say double ..0.4kWh/km ?) ..that would be another additional 48 GWh per day.
So now the total for the entire fleet of road vehicles seems to be 181 GWh per day !….nothing like the 500 you suggested !
…and still well within the CURRENTLY AVAILABLE GENERATION RESOURCES.
( and that is just the eastern states grid !)
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Thanks for the ABS stats.
ABS stats show articulated trucks doing a total of 8,181,000,000 km annually vs passenger vehicles doing 162,983,000,000. Given trucks are consuming 6.25 times the energy of cars (based on 0.2kw for cars and 1.25kw/km trucks) trucks are doing 6.25 x 8,181,000,000 = 51,131,250,000 equivalent car km. This is 31.4% of the car km. 31.4% of your stated car 105gwh is 33gwh. 33 is greater than your above 28 and I have only used articulated trucks.
You’re understating and my roughy further above was overstating.
But, it doesn’t matter. You CAN”T use average consumption to check grid capacity.
Good idea. Stop using averages to check grid adequacy.
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Thats an interesting method of misscalculation ..!
Why didnt you just take the daily truck mileage (8181/365 mkm) and the kWh/km (1.25 ) to get the power used ?
8181 /365. m x 1.25 = 28.01 GWh !
And if you are going to use actual total kms, bear in mind that the passenger car “average” figure is significantly reduced , such that the 105 GWh figure would be more like 90 GWh per day !
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The miscalculation was only if your 105gwh was wrong, because that’s what I used. Apologies for adopting your figure.
Why didn’t you at #10.3.2 when you had the km stats in your link but calculated the following?:
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“2) trucks, rigid and articulated comprise only 3.1% (650,000) of all road vehicles.
…So even using the 1.5kWh/km, that would only anount to an additional 28 GWh of recharge power…not the 200 you guesstimated !”
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Your calculation there says trucks rigid and articulated. But the 8,181,000,000km is just articulated trucks.
Why didn’t you use the actual km all along from your first post?
The 200 I guesstimated included all the heavy vehicles, articulated, rigid, buses etc.. The 28 figure you calculated just now on actual km is just the articulated trucks.
My 200 was started on the basis that you said passenger cars travel 35km per day. When in fact that figure includes all vehicles. Anything I stuffed up was from adopting your info and figures. 🙂
In future I’ll go back to my own source and method rather than trying a quick analysis using yours.
What I should have simply done is said the following as the first and only response.
You cant use averages to check grid adequacy. This whole numbers game is waste of time basing it on averages.
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I chose to use the “average” km/day figure because i wanted to put into perspective the “order of magnitude” of the issue….for the 15 m passenger fleet.
And deliberately ignored the other vehicles since they will be the last to change..(if ever !)
BUT ….if you do use the actual kms for each vehicle class, you will get the following..
Passenger vehicles….89.3 GWh per day
Heavy articulated trucks…28 GWh per day
Rigid trucks………………37.6 GWh per day
Light Commercials……43 GWh per day
Buses..”…………. 6 GWh per day
Total for the entire road fleet ..204 GWh per day !
And that assumes Rigid trucks are using the same 1.25 kW/km as the heavy articulated , and Light Commercials use 0.3 kWh/ km
But even those exaggerated assumptions that all vehicles would be EVs, still comes within the CURRENTLY AVAILABLE FOSSIL FUEL GENERATION CAPACITY ! 780 GWh/ day !!
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Nice of you to bother with the calculation but I don’t know why when averages are not how you assess the adequacy of the grid.
You simply cannot make the following statement in a meaningful way if using averages and not peak demand.
You certainly don’t need to use caps when typing to emphasise or shout such a meaningless statement and add exclamation marks. 🙂
Would it help if I use caps when typing “averages is not how you assess grid adequacy”?
You also can’t assess the grid as full capacity because even reliable fossil fuel powered generators need to go offline at times.
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You see , you have completely forgotten the original point of the post .
Which was…to correct the often posted belief that mass adoption of EVs would require much more GENERATION CAPACITY in the grid…as much as 60% more has been posted.
But it must be obvious even to you that more GENERATION is not only unnecessary, but also would not help withthe many issues that prevent the grid utilising and distributing the capacity that already exists.
So to conclude (hopefully ?) .. mass EV use will certainly cause problems for the grid….BUT, it will NOT be due to lack of GENERATING CAPACITY.
PS…caps used to focus your attention to the actual issue being discussed !
..GENERATING CAPACITY .
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I hadn’t forgotten the original point of the post. Just because I don’t agree with you doesn’t mean I don’t get your point.
Should I assume you missed my point because you don’t agree? I’ll state it again in case.
You have used an average power consumption. You haven’t pinpointed the peak demand for a given period.
If you average all our current power consumption across the day then you miss considering how the EV peak interacts with our current peak demand either side of 6pm.
You need to determine the peak demand for charging the whole EV fleet and see how it fits with current peak demand and how that fits with generation capacity. Perhaps you don’t agree with my assertion that most EV charging demand with be in the evening. I’ve said why I think that in earlier comments. But you do need to consider that and your averaging doesn’t allow for it.
You also have to allow for some of the fossil fuel generation capacity to be offline for maintenance or breakdowns. You need to dismiss solar if the peak EV peak is in the evening like the current peak demand is. You need to consider that the wind may not be generating much during the peak period even if it happens to produce something during that day.
If you don’t do all that and just look at an average figure and adopt the full grid capacity then you are not properly assessing the adequacy of the grid generation capacity to service the demand.
I can repeat it again and I can put it in caps. But given the problems with your method have been pointed out a few times by me and others I will assume you are just not accepting of the advice and that’s your prerogative. Even if your numbers are 100% correct your method is flawed.
Calculate the peak and show it’s within the limits while considering the generation capacity limitation allowances and you’ll have demonstrated your point. Continue with averages and you’re stuck where you are.
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Since this is all theoretical (100% EVs, now, with current grid capacity,)..
..you realise that any peak prediction is pure guesswork .
So again, i will suggest that peak demand will be dictated by any “demand management” techniques that may be employed , and the preferences of the EV users involved.
I might also assume that with the introduction of EVs will also be the continued introduction of grid storage and home storage and the roll out of “self powered” charging stations as seen in the USA.
So , whilst it is obvious the current grid system cannot support a significant EV fleet, ..it is not because of a lack of generating capacity…
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Yes. But you started the topic. I didn’t say the grid has adequate generation capacity and ask you to prove it. This was your own undertaking.
I’m just suggesting you prove your assertion with a proper assessment of demand. Not a flawed averaging method.
I’m getting the sense you are actually acknowledging what is required to prove your assertion and are saying it can’t be done. Which is fair enough. You don’t know when people are going to charge and you dont know if they’ll be using high power demand fast chargers or trickle chargers. Whether there is a particular day of the week that has most km travelled and needing charging. A whole bunch of variables that the averaging method ignores.
A statement you base on a flawed averaging method.
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No, actually you started ( diverted to) the topic of demand distribution and peak from generation , …..something that i had already said would be one of many problems to deal with.
So , no ..we wont have significant EVs for 10-20 years, that is plenty of time ffor some on to figure out how to manage the distribution and demand….
They just dont need to concern themselves with generation capacity……
…until they shut down more fossil fuel plants !
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Peak demand is not a diversion. It is critical to actually working out whether the grid generation capacity is adequate.
You started with saying there is enough generation capacity in the system already to take on EV’s. That is the topic and claim by you. My asking you to do a proper assessment and not use a flawed averaging method is not me diverting. It’s me pointing you at what you need to consider for a proper assessment to back up your claim.
I didn’t bring that up. I have always been on topic of GENERATION and not distribution. Pointing out there is a peak use period and why I think more EV demand will be in the evening than during the day is not distribution. It’s at the heart of checking GENERATION CAPACITY vs demand.
Talking about future distribution is a diversion. We are only talking about your claim that there is already enough GENERATION CAPACITY to cater for future EV demand.
A claim based on your flawed assessment using averages. You can not make a claim about the adequacy of the existing grid capacity unless you can calculate the peak demand. We agree that is too difficult and too much guess work. But that’s not my problem. I’m not trying to prove your claim. You need to. Unfortunately you can’t. Speculation is all that’s left ….. and what’s likely another diversion.
Hey, how about you agree that averages doesn’t adequately depict the peak demand on which to assess grid capacity. It doesn’t mean you’re wrong about there being enough generation capacity already. It just means we don’t know if you’re right or wrong.
Cheers.
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Wind and Solar DO NOT constitute generating capacity !
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Sorry to break you illusion, but they do !
They may be intermittent, unreliable, unpredictable, expensive, often insignificant, and generally undesireable,….
…..but they do constitute generating capacity .!
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What generating capacity does solar have in the evening and at night… NONE.
What generating capacity does wind have on a still day… NONE !!
Neither can be relied on to generate when required…. so they should NOT be counted as “generating capacity”
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There is no logic in that statement. .
As insaid, they are not the same as FF generators (dispatchable) , or efficient, but they do have generating capacity ..
BUT , if you want to ignore them, thats OK…
…..there is still 780 GWh/ day of Fossil fueled capacity…
Thats 200+ GWh more than is currently utilised !🤔😱
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Self analysis is a wonderful skill.
When you do it;
“There is no logic in that statement.”
We must agree, right on.
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Conversely, the opposite is often true.
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So you think that something at doesn’t produce anything overnight… is “generating capacity”
WOW !
If you want to fantasise that it is.. that’s OK. !
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Yes !…. In the same way that a coal fired generator not being used , is also installed capacity.
So, what do you call that something that generated 5-8 GW during the day ?
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If that “5-8 GW during the day” is solar then I call it useless when our peak demand is approx between 5pm to 7pm.
It’s not contributing a lot to the peak demand period so can’t be considered as generating capacity when it is most needed, at the peak.
Nothing like the same way. The fossil fuel fired generator can operate at its capacity on demand. (ok, slight delay but can be brought online quickly) Solar and wind are not “on demand” generators. They only reduce the need for fossil fuel generation.
You even said yourself solar and wind are not reliable.
Tell me. If you had an aeroplane that had both solar powered engines and fossil fuel engines, would you count the solar power engine capacity in the max generating capacity when calculating your payload or just the fossil fuel capacity?
I wouldn’t and I suspect you wouldn’t. If you would then Darwin has a theory for you.
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You seem to ignor the use of storage systems….pumped hydro, utility batteries, domestic batteries, etc….some of which is already in service, and used for that very purpose.
(much more planned …we are told.?)
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“You seem to ignor the use of storage systems”
Not at all Chad. Nearly everyone here is all too aware of our pathetically small expensive, late, delayed, “storage systems”. Hows Florence the tunneling bore going for Snowy Hydro 2? Still stuck 150m in?
You can’t keep electricity in a shoe box you know…
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With respect Jo, …
…all this is hypothetical for a 100% EV conversion.
So it is equally hypothetical to assume that basic issues like grid storage could be addressed whilst that conversion is in progress.
But please note…
…i do not believe that amount of storage will actually happen, in just the same way i do not believe 100% EV conversion can happen either !
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I DESPISE my ELECTRIC CAR. EV Owners HATE EACH OTHER My trip home from London almost ENDED in DEATH!
https://youtu.be/UIx4RQAsE54
MacMaster is best known for his foodie reviews but he also hates the ev craziness (even though he owns a Porsche ev), and this video shows the stupidity of the ev delusion.
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I gave up. Why are EV owners so long winded?
How did it nearly kill him?
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MacMaster is one of those whose videos could be cut by 90% and you wouldn’t lose anything.😁
I call him the waffleMaster.
However this one does demonstrate the real world problems and frustrations.
Get off a long flight, have to charge your ev for hours, getting more tired by the minute, borderline charging station etiquette rage, more frustration, anguish and tiredness, long drive.
High risk of accident from tiredness and lack of concentration coupled with imminent ev dying mid-highway.
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That was worth a watch just to see what the EV owners go through. 2 hrs for enough to get you home.
Plan your life around the amount of charge in a battery, makes sense.
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Thank you H, means I needn’t start!
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The Google reward algorithm favours vids that pass certain viewing times. Don’t know them all but 10 minutes is one of them, and people fluff up videos and have extended intros to meet the target. Also with our Americans friends there is that tendency to tell you how to make a watch when you just wanted to know the time.
(Corrected your e-mail error) CTS
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It’s extraordinary how often people get down to the last few miles with close to 0% battery. He could have turned the airconditioner off much earlier, for example. But it does nicely show the sheer frustration of range anxiety when you are tired, jet lagged and have paid a lot of money for a Porsche sports car to be in limp mode and scared you cannot get home. As he said, a diesel car would have done the trip four times.
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Never forget the lies we were told. Compilation posted by Senator Babet, United Australia Party.
https://youtu.be/1H5-XGz2Og8
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There is no Glory in the Grave
“The working class of Europe has nothing to gain from this war and everything to lose,” Irish European Parliament member Clare Daly stated in October 2022. “I find it laughable that those who call for arms to Ukraine never call for arms for the people of Palestine, or for the people of Yemen.” She is right – the people have absolutely nothing to gain through endless wars. Some may say, “Oh but Palestine and Yemen do not border Europe.” The neocons led Europeans to believe that they were in danger of Russian aggression, as if Russia were on a conquest to conquer all of Europe. In truth, they knew that Russia only wanted to reclaim a piece of land that historically hosted Russian people. Europe at large was never in danger; they are now.
Clare Daly has been aggressively advocating to end the war in Ukraine. Daly spoke out in March 2023, declaring, “Ukraine is burning through a generation of men.” Zelensky is sending in troops with no formal training who are expected to fight his endless war. People cheer when they hear of a successful attack or new weapons coming in, but no one thinks of the Ukrainian and Russian men on the frontlines who will never return home.
Think of the teenagers who know in a few short years that they too will be expected to fight, with no other potential future. Ukrainian male students were prohibited by the Ukrainian Ministry from traveling abroad to study, as Zelensky needed them ready to fight to replace their older brothers and peers who may perish in battle. Yet Zelensky parades around in a military green shirt, forcing men to die, knowing he will not receive so much as a scratch.
“These are human beings, and there is a shameful lack of empathy for ordinary people in the war rhetoric in here. The debate is about keeping the war flowing to keep the war going,” Daly shouted. Peace was never an option for the West. Russia did in fact offer to hold discussions. They appeased Russia with the Minsk Agreement that they never intended to keep, as former German Chancellor Angela Merkel admitted. Merkel said that the entire premise of the Minsk Agreement was to buy time to build up Ukraine’s military. War has always been the goal of the neocons. Russia was none the wiser of the grand plan until after they entered Ukraine.
Clare Daly has expressed how livid she is at the warmongers for continuing this war. It is a rare occurrence to see her speaking out on BBC or any major channels. She has questioned what it even means for Ukraine to “win” the war. “Ordinary people don’t win in wars, they’re cannon fodder in the games of others,” Daly said, “You can shout glory all you like, but there is no glory in the grave, and only graves come out of this folly.”
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/war/there-is-no-glory-in-the-grave/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=RSS
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Maybe she shouldsuggest the fairest/ least deadly/ best future situation, way of ending that war then.
Talk is easy for someon with no “ skin in the game” …
I wonder how she would react if it was her country that was being agressively invaded ?
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The Irish fought the British, iirc.
But that’s different. /s
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IIRC as Flanders and Swan put it –
“The Irishman doesn’t know what he wants and will fight anyone to get it”
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in fact Chad,
Clare Daly has indeed “suggested the fairest/ least deadly/ best future situation, way of ending that war”
but only someone who would watch Clare Daly speak and research both sides could know
she is not in anyway a Putin apologist as she has been called because she advocates for a peaceful solution in Ukraine instead of nato supplying the bombs and Zelensky supplying the bodies
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I am travelling by plane today and I saw Goolag Assistant gave a notification on my phone to remind me to go to the airport. I don’t use it for anything and I booked directly via the airline. Somehow Goolag Assistant is monitoring my activities and giving unwanted reminders. This is on an Android phone.
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Convection in the Arabian Sea is now moving into high gear. Will probably reach overdrive before landfall:
https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=-292.26,8.73,741/loc=66.270,12.941
It has now been named:
https://www.livemint.com/news/india/cyclone-biporjoy-arabian-sea-live-tracking-imd-issues-warning-cyclonic-storm-11686107058807.html
Convective potential has been building over the whole region for almost a month so should be a decent storm. 2019 was the last time most of the Arabian Sea was above 30C this late in the year. 2019 monsoon set record rainfall in India for this century.
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David Archibald has a post up at wuwt and I grabbed this chart.
https://i0.wp.com/wattsupwiththat.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/image-43.png?ssl=1
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Obviously, CO2 has caused a positive PDO since 1979. 😉 !!
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el+g,
forgive possibly dumb questions, not real strong on the technical science (much less math), to me CAGW is entirely political, science has become a tool of conquest, like religion in the past.
Assuming PDO is Pacific Decadal Oscillation.
1) Deep ocean currents, are newly known and little understood
2) the vertical axis is 100ths of a degree (hope I’m reading that right), while the horizontal is more than a century
3) to me it seems dubious that we could make a meaningful measurement of such large phenoms within 100ths of a degree.
4) seems like if it only varies within 100ths (2?) of degree, there may be a God
5) could I get my bedroom temp stable to 2/100ths of degree or could I even measure that close
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Leftists hold to such extreme gender stereotypes that they think anyone who has an interest in anything outside approved stereotypical ones for that sex, has to be hormonally and surgically altered to pretend to make them into the approved sex for that particular interest.
For conservatives and fellow rational thinkers, it doesn’t matter. We don’t promote sterilising and mutilating hormones and surgeries.
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Peta Credlin interview with Matthew Warren on the grid transition.
https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/peta-credlin/ignorant-voters-lecturing-australians-have-drunk-the-climate-koolaid/video/866972618e9a85e6f2140bf7ebbd5c08
It appears the hopium is wearing off as reality approaches.
Victoria is making slow progress on the full socialisation of the power grid in Victoria. I don’t think Dan got the response in China he was hoping for and the downgrading of the state’s ability to finance its debt makes it harder to borrow the billions needed. But there is a new SEC advisor panel:
https://www.vic.gov.au/sec-structure-and-governance
Some of the names are probably familiar and come with the credentials of having caused this mess. So who better to fix the mess than those who caused it!! I expect it will fade away.
STOP THE THEFT from electricity consumers.
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So comforting to see Aubrey back
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WHO makes bombshell announcement launching ‘digital health certification network’: Will the ‘mark’ soon be foisted upon the people of the world?
The U.N. World Health Organization’s director general, the Marxist/communist Dr. Tedros, announced Monday, June 5, that the “WHO is proud to launch the global digital health certification network.”
In June 2023, WHO will take up the European Union (EU) system of digital COVID-19 certification to establish a global system that will help facilitate global mobility and protect citizens across the world from on-going and future health threats, including pandemics.
This is the first building block of the WHO Global Digital Health Certification Network (GDHCN) that will develop a wide range of digital products to deliver better health for all, WHO said in a statement.
https://www.rttnews.com/3368262/eu-who-launch-digital-health-initiative-to-strengthen-global-health-security.aspx
Tick…tick…tick…
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF6C-aHBm4U&ab_channel=Dr.JohnCampbell
Digital Health and Global Surveillance in the Age of Big Brother.
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Defined!
https://patriotpost.us/memes/97865-now-about-tick-talk-2023-06-06
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FWIW
Some grim covid reading if that is what is going on.
https://open.substack.com/pub/coffeeandcovid/p/bio-shocks-monday-june-5-2023-c-and?r=1vxw0k&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email
And there is yet another push to roll up for yet another booster.
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The real worry about that is that that will try to piggyback it with a legitimate vaccine. They are trying to get it into you, one way or another.
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Wednesday funny: Klaus Schwab parody
https://youtu.be/BngSVZXmPLo
Own nothing, be happy. Ja, ja.
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Needless cruelty personified. Maybe now NOAA will listen.
NOAA proposes massively cruel offshore sonar survey
By David Wojick
https://www.cfact.org/2023/06/05/noaa-proposes-massively-cruel-offshore-sonar-survey/
The beginning: “You would think that with all the uproar over whale deaths, NOAA and the offshore wind industry would be more careful about harassing huge numbers of marine mammals. On the contrary NOAA’s latest proposal sets a new record for needless cruelty. NOAA’s National Marine Fisheries Service (NMFS) is taking comments on an outrageously destructive harassment proposal from Invenergy Wind, off the coast of New Jersey, where whale deaths have been greatest. Here is the proposal: https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/action/incidental-take-authorization-invenergy-wind-offshore-llcs-site-characterization-surveys-new
It is called a “site characterization survey” and it does include a new offshore wind development site that Invenergy picked up last year with a whopping bid of $645 million. That apparently buys a lot of Federal cooperation, because this is nothing like a site survey. You see the site is a mere 131 square miles, while the proposed sonar blasting survey area is over 6,000 square miles. In other words the site is a mere 2% of the survey area, so it is clearly not a site survey.
What is the 98% non-site survey for? There is no actual explanation but it is labeled the Export Cable Route (ECR) area. There is no actual export cable route so they are surveying everyplace it might conceivably go. Some of the ECR area is absurd as a potential cable location, especially that which is as far out to sea as the project, or further. This possible-cable area is enormous. It runs from New York City to south of Atlantic City and from the Jersey Shore to over 50 miles out to sea. The front page of the NMFS proposal linked to above has a map, conveniently showing both the tiny site area and the huge ECR area.
Not surprisingly, given this huge area the predicted marine mammal harassment numbers are appalling:
138 Whales
1,900 Seals
950 Porpoises
1,742 Dolphins
Total = 4,730 or just under 5,000 supposedly protected marine mammals
This is needless cruelty personified. They clearly have no idea where the cables will go. That will be determined by who takes the Power Purchase Agreement, if anybody, and where they can come ashore to deliver the juice. The results of this incredibly destructive 6,000 square mile survey will be almost entirely irrelevant when that happens. All that will matter is what lies between the project site and the landing point. Obviously the cable route survey should wait until that location is known, thus saving thousands of protected critters from harmful harassment.”
More in the article. Please share it.
This cruelty must stop.
David
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Surely Greenpeace will be there, harassing the ships, as they did the whalers. They are advertising on Fox, they must have something in mind.
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No idea why you get a red thumb when you are protesting cruelty. Very odd.
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I get one every time. Must be personal.
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And again? But that may have been comedy.
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Quiet night, time for some entertainment.
Here is an advert for gym shoes.
I think.
I especially like the fourth pair.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FuiMQPc5aKA
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I didn’t see a beard amongst them. Are you transphobic? 🙂
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You want a beard? You get a beard.
I first saw this right here on Jo Nova a decade ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9pD_UK6vGU
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Ethics, what’s that ? Axiology ? Been talking to the Bull today as we let him out with the Heifers. That these sort of things happen: Rancher to pay $1 million penalty for phantom cattle scheme but it gets worse Evidently someone really did upset the Bull market. and then between oil prices affecting markets like “first open pit mine to transition to renewable diesel” – because they can …. uhuh.
Do those of us who hold the key to power really KNOW what power we are controlling / unleashing ( or not ) or look here. Maybe a question for AI to resond to ( Note of caution: do we wantto use AI and give them /it more Ideas ? )
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Ahh, Trudeau’s Canada. Synchronised climate change-induced fires – see the video!!
https://twitter.com/i/status/1666308602225901573
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Threat to Whales Complicates U.S. Research into Seaweed for Biofuel
https://gcaptain.com/threat-to-whales-complicates-u-s-research-into-seaweed-for-biofuel/
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When China has more rights than your country…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyFMrgZYzEw
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Worse than that!
Tucker’s concluding message from his Twitter session – from today’s Covid and Coffee Newsletter
“Tucker ended his show describing how during the Cold War, most Russians thought the United States was a third-world hellhole, because that’s all their captured media ever told them. Only a handful of Russians lucky enough to have shortwave radios ever heard a different story. Tucker said:
Fifty years later, it is bewildering to consider the irony here. We’re the ones who live in ignorance now. The US Government has managed to classify more than a billion so-called “public documents.” So at this point, we can’t possibly know what our leaders are doing. We are not allowed to know. By definition, that is not a democracy. Yet it’s fine with the media. Secrecy is a powerful tool of control. “Stop asking how we got so rich! Here’s another story about racism! Go eat each other!”
That’s the program. That’s how most of us now live in the United States. Manipulated by lies, silenced by taboos. It is unhealthy, and it is dehumanizing, and we are tired of it.
As of today we have come to Twitter, which we hope will be the shortwave radio under the blanket.”
“Preach, brother, preach.”
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Good video.
Conservatives do have the power to boycott after all.
Get woke, go broke!
https://youtu.be/wLWlL33Q8Lc
(8min17sec)
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“Climate-friendly” plastics change the behavior of fish
https://www-friatider-se.translate.goog/klimatvanlig-plast-andrar-fiskars-beteende?_x_tr_sl=sv&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en
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The wind is always blowing somewhere else (/s)
“Wind collapses across everywhere SaskPower is connected to”
“Wind power collapses across the central US, Saskatchewan, Alberta and Manitoba at the same time Wednesday morning. That’s 1100 miles north south, and 700 miles east west in the Canadian prairies.”
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2023/06/07/wind-collapses-across-everywhere-saskpower-is-connected-to/
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Re another news “sensation”
“Illegal Aliens Or FaceSuckers?”
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=248998
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FWIW
“Red Flag: Alien spacecraft ‘whistleblower’ has never actually seen evidence of UFOs, and all of his sources are anonymous
Zero evidence. Zero non-anonymous sources. Zero credibility.
https://www.dossier.today/p/red-flag-alien-spacecraft-whistleblower?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=69009&post_id=126660254&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email
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I don’t think it is really practical to put ultra-high voltage lines underground. They are put up high off the ground to reduce energy losses due to the interaction of the large magnetic field with the ground itself.
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If they were HVDC, surely then it wouldn’t be a problem, as lots of HVDC cables run under the oceans. (Then of course you have end conversion losses.) And I didn’t think that magnetic ground effects were an issue, more long-distance standing waves.
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