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Reinvention time: Liberals tried to win wealthy inner city Woke seats and lost the nation

If the Liberals stop trying to pander to the wealthy Woke electorates and focus on what most Australians want they can reinvent themselves to speak for mainstream Australia by the next election.

The dismal election result for the Liberals and Nationals in Australia may yet set them free. By shifting to the left on issues like Climate Change the Liberals were hobbled. They tried to be Labor -lite, but then couldn’t point out the sheer stupidity of trying to change the weather. Net Zero was a good goal they said, and so the voters voted for people who would do more of it sooner.  By adopting Labor-Green ideas and just trying to be better managers of bad programs they lost their mojo. There were no battles on principles in this election, just personalities.

The Right have been bullied into submission — afraid of being called climate deniers, racists, sexist or anti-vaxxer, they fought for nothing much. And so the voters voted for nothing much — splitting every which way. Astonishingly a new government will be formed that nearly 70% of Australians didn’t vote for. The Labor Party won with the lowest primary vote ever recorded in Australian history.

The great realignment of politics bit the Liberals

Waleed Aly, surprisingly, captured it better than anyone, pointing out that voters in wealthy electorates shifted left, while those in less wealthy seats moved right. The Liberals lost the traditional well heeled blue-ribbon seats to the renewables industry candidates in the Teal Party (the Sneaky Greens). But climate change is a fashion contest, and not only does it make no sense, but by definition, the sensible-option never wins on the cat-walk. Once one half of politics gave up fighting the intrinsic silliness of it, and stopped talking hard numbers, the only contest left was the fashionable one.

And popping the fashion bubble may yet even win those wealthy seats back. When everyone else is trying to outdo the Emperor, there’s nothing like pointing out the Emperor wears no clothes.

So much better than winning a pointless contest is to speak the truth and destroy the contest.

The loss of the Woke part of the party would be a blessing in disguise

Australian voters are fracturing into different party groups because the major parties are not serving their original bases. The Labor-Green Party was the party of the workers but has become the paired-party of the rich and fashionable, and the welfare dependent.  The Liberal-National parties were still trying to win the inner city blue-ribbon seats while also appealing to the suburbs, small business and rural areas. But that was an impossible deal. Something had to give.

If the Liberal Party can regroup against political correctness, they could storm back in just as Tony Abbott did. If they don’t, the minor parties on the Right will fill that space and do it for them.

I’m gearing up for the battle ahead. The bank balance is on the rocks though.

Please,  I need your support

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326 comments to Reinvention time: Liberals tried to win wealthy inner city Woke seats and lost the nation

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    Ted1

    The question is, how much damage can they do in three years? The answer is lots.

    The new Prime Minister’s opening call is that the climate wars are over. Electricity prices are telling us that they have hardly begun.

    I can’t see this as being more than a one term government. Now is not a good time to be in government. I don’t see our world as a better place three years from now.

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      Curious George

      May you survive till 2025.

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      yarpos

      Some say they have sought coaching from the Biden administration on how to effect maximum damage.

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        RossP

        They do not have to look that far. Just look at us across the ditch –it’s been happening here for a few years and the rate that the damage is being made, is increasing rapidly.

        In NZ the National Party (same as your Liberal Party) is doing EXACTLY the same as Jo has described Liberal party doing in recent years.
        But they will not learn anything from last night, in Australia.

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      Dennis

      Consider November 2007 and three years ended 2010.

      The voters were angry and frustrated resulting in the Rudd Labor changed to Gillard Labor Government effectively losing that election but forming an alliance minority government with outside supporters including Greens.

      At the 2013 election Rudd again Labor lost in a landslide of votes against them, and leaning illegal immigration problems, many other problems and a $400 billion debt consisting of what Labor borrowed after inheriting zero debt in September 2007 plus a $22 billion budget surplus, $60 billion Future Fund and more. The $400 billion was Labor borrowed debt plus debt the Coalition was forced to borrow to fund Labor’s Budget commitments including NDIS and Gonski, Labor made no provision to pay knowing they would probably lose the 2013 election.

      Maybe Albo Labor will be different – /sarc.

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        MP

        Morrison racked up more debt in one term then all previous governments combined.
        Most corrupt
        Most decietfull
        Most expensive
        Most incompetent

        https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/economy/government/government-finance-statistics-annual/latest-release

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          Strop

          “Most corrupt” is a big statement. What corruption are you referring to?
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          Most deceitfull” is also a big statement. What examples do you have?
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          It’s true that they were the “most expensive” in terms of the size of the debt. The reason for the debt is obvious and we can argue the merits of it. I prefer a free market type approach than govt bailing out businesses etc. But when it’s govt nobbling business and closing much of the free market then it has some responsibility to support people.
          The Libs didnt spend enough according to Labor. Probably a good thing we had the Libs in at the time rather than Labor.
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          Most incompetent. Big call considering the 2007 to 2013 years.

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            MP

            Most corrupt. Swimming pools, Car parks. Fire money. Voted against the ICAC. Recovering the $444 milion Turnbul laundered through the GBRF.
            Most decietfull. Net Zero, The molicule of life is now the molicule of death. 50% of all covid hospitalisations, ICU and deaths were admitted for other reasons and tested positive while there. If you have a positive test then recover and 28 days latter get hit by a truck, COVID hospitalisation or death. Helps of course if your brother is in the ABS. Hydrogen is a GOOD IDEA. Mandates, the segregation of Australians based on a status. Won’t take much thought to come up with a few of your own.
            Most expensive. https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/economy/government/government-finance-statistics-annual/latest-release
            Most incompetent. Snowy hydro 2, $2 billion quoted, now 10. NBN now at $58 Billion, both not completed. $5.5 Billion for subs we are not getting, Same party that voted for diesel against advice.

            List his achievments, actual achievments, not talked about. Signing us up to a war agreement with alies we already had an agreement with does not count.

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              Strop

              Swimming pools, car parks? Is this to do with funding infrastructure in certain electorates as a “vote buy”? Nothing that isn’t done by any government. Doesn’t excuse it, but doesn’t make them most corrupt.

              Fire money? Not familiar. What happened there?

              Recovering the GBRF fund. Would be good but I don’t know that there’s anything specifically corrupt about it. Depends on how the money is spent and no one from any party is pointing the finger. But ridiculous waste of money by Turdbull.
              I’d counter that with all the training money Labor allegedly gave to Therese Rein.

              As for a Federal ICAC, the Libs did propose one but it was rejected by Labor because it didn’t include public hearings. Public hearings are just a mud slinging exercise and potentially a tool of any govt for more corruption. No ICAC model should include the legalised defamation of people.

              Regarding covid deaths. The ABS does distinguish between deaths from covid and deaths with covid.

              Regarding mandates. That was primarily a state issue. The federal govt did have some border differences but the employment mandates were state and federal employees were exempt.

              Regarding Net zero. Incredibly disappointing but not deceitful if they didn’t promise to not go for net zero. I don’t recall them doing so. Unlike Gillard who said we won’t have a carbon tax and then immediately implemented one. Among a myriad of govt broken promises by many governments over the years.
              Libs are at least still building gas plants for power generation and supportive of coal.
              Other incompetent acts of the Rudd/ Gillard period was the encouragement of asylum seekers and the feeble attempts to halt them. Plus the pink bats scheme that killed people and had to be ceased.
              The Libs subs deal was incompetent. At least they have done some fixing of it.

              I’m not suggesting this last three years has been the best govt. But the Rudd/Gillard and probably Turbull periods are ahead in the “most” stakes.

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          Dennis

          Another example of the saying: lies, damned lies and statistics.

          The fact is that when Labor left government in September 2013 there were factors relating to debt creation;

          1. There was zero debt @ November 2007 when Rudd Labor defeated the Howard Coalition, also $22 billion budget in surplus.

          2. By June 2008 Labor has spent the budget surplus and had started borrowing to spend more.

          3. By June 2012 the Labor debt ceiling was passed, from memory debt close to $300 billion. They did not raise their debt ceiling for 2012/13 but continued borrowing.

          4. The Labor 2013/14 Budget under-estimate their cumulative budget deficit 2008/09 to 2013/14 deliberately preparing for the September 2013 election.

          5. In that last Budget Labor failed to make provisions to pay for major financial budget commitments including NDIS and Gonski, they deliberately left that funding for the Abbott led Government they expected to win the 2013 election, and did win. So the extra debt borrowed to fund Labor’s unfunded items added to the earlier cumulative debt came to over $400 billion in total.

          The Current Account debt amounts to under $800 billion – Coalition Budget papers for 2022/23 financial year.

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            Dennis

            You probably conveniently ignored the Coalition Budget for 2019/20 estimate for a budget surplus by June 2020, as a result of the budget repair Coalition Budget 2014/15 and continuing good management.

            And that the pandemic unforeseen circumstances that began early in 2020 and related need to fund crisis expenditure, most expensive of all economic stimulus to fund employers and employees as a State lockdowns, restrictions, vaccine mandates, interstate border closures and others impacted as a recession commenced.

            Today the recession is over, economic growth a credible 3.5% of GDP, OECD forecasting 4.0% soon and unemployment below 4.0% and the lowest since 1970s.

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              MP

              Labor had the GFC or did you conveniently forget that. Due to this massive money laundering effort Labor only pissed $ 197 billion
              Acording to the ABS in the link, labor ran it up t0 $222 Billion.
              Funny the Australian Debt Clock has Gov Debt at $1.5 Trillion, yet the ABS has it at $ 800+ bilion.

              As at July 1 2018, the budget estimate of net debt in Australia was about A$341.0 billion, up from A$174.5 billion in September 2013, when the Coalition took office. That’s an increase of A$166.5 billion, or roughly 95%, over almost five years.

              To put that in context, in Labor’s last term (2007-13, a nearly six-year period that included the Global Financial Crisis), net debt rose by about A$197 billion – around A$30 billion more than has been the case under the current Coalition government.
              https://theconversation.com/factcheck-has-australias-net-debt-doubled-under-the-current-government-100819

              What was Smirko the EX’s debt cieling set at?

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                Strop

                Yes, there was the GFC. The money Labor spent on trying to beat it (such as the schools upgrade program) was full of rorts and the money spent did little to defend against the GFC effect.

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                MP

                Do you think paying the multinationals wage bill was money well spent. They did not shut down, they never had any intention of shutting down and all I have looked at posted record profits.
                They are all corrupt.

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                Strop

                Would have been better if there was a payback scheme for companies that ultimately didn’t need it, but that’s not corruption.

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          Ted1

          Much of Abbott and Morrison’s debt was run up by the Rudd/Gillard/Rudd government and locked in by Palmer and Al Gore in the senate.

          There is a question there…How did Al Gore get to be determining Australian government policy?

          For the Marxists all this debt has a purpose. The destruction of private capital.

          The first major economic announcement by the Rudd1 government was that “Howard had let the inflation genie out of the bottle”. This was a bare faced lie. Howard did the opposite.

          So the message had to be, Rudd intended to engage in inflationary policy and blame the resulting inflation on Howard. They intended to go on a spending spree. And they did. Studiously avoiding, you should note, investment in infrastructure which could generate new capital. No roads, bridges, railways or water supplies.

          Then came the GFC. This allowed them to redouble their spree without getting noticed. But in Australia, there was no GFC! China protected us there, by maintaining or increasing its purchases of our raw commodities. While the R/G/R government continued to run up debt.

          Meanwhile, China further protected us from inflation by supplying us with ever cheaper manufactured goods, which had been happening for the previous thirty years.

          Public debt must be funded by private capital, by way of taxation. Public debt is future private capital already taken out of private management. For the bookworm Marxists, that is the primary purpose of the debt we are seeing.

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            Stuart

            “…How did Al Gore get to be determining Australian government policy?” Not sure but after a dinner date with Clive, Clive changed his support and a few months later all his “legal and financial issues” seemed to be resolved in his favour.

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      Hanrahan

      All this hand wringing! You got what you deserve. You listened to MP and other malcontents without voicing your opinions. Instead you meekly agreed that we must all vote for some mythical minor party which could lead us out of the wilderness.

      I got more reds than greens trying to point out this folly. You made your bed – sleep in it.

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        Strop

        I think people on this blog advocating that approach would have preferenced the Libs ahead of Labor or Greens or Teal. Therefore the minor party protest vote isn’t why the Libs lost.
        Labor also lost primary votes but managed to get a majority of seats.

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          Hanrahan

          You think.

          White ants can collapse a tree.

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            Strop

            White ants don’t have a preference system that repairs the tree.

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            Disco Stu

            In my seat, there was an 11% swing against the Libs and a 12% swing towards the Greens. There were no Teals because this was a Labour held seat.
            That suggests people went from Libs to Greens. Sheer lunacy!

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        Ted1

        I didn’t, you know. But I remember only once scoring more reds than greens. Maybe I didn’t fight hard enough.

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    David Engel

    My daughter just finished a class in college about the alchemists. Before some of you rant about how useless this class was, it’s not It teaches us about the past and is a guide to the future. The alchemists did produce some useful discoveries. But they are most known for some of their absurd attempts to turn lead into gold and other nonsensical endeavors.

    Climate science is really the new alchemy. It is using regression analysis to figure out what level of CO2 will endanger the planet. But it makes no more sense than what the alchemists were doing. We don’t really have quality information on worldwide temperatures for past years. It’s questionable whether we have information on it for present years. We don’t know all of the variables that impact temperature. So the new alchemists are trying to predict future weather by generating computer models that are absolute garbage because they don’t take into account natural variability, urban heat zones, etc. They don’t know the variables and just fudge the numbers to get the programs to make it look like they work. But of course, how did they predict the Little Ice and the Roman Warm Period. These models can’t even accurately predict the past. And we are spending billions of dollars supporting this new alchemy and possibly trillions of dollars, endangering the health and welfare of our citizens because of this elitist nonsense.

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      RicDre

      If I recall correctly, Sir Isaac Newton was an alchemists but he did alright for himself on other topics.

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        another ian

        Some more credit – Likely Mary the Jewess invented the still

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          Chris

          Where did that come from? I know Lot’s daughters got him drunk on beer and Jesus turned water into wine. But where did the still come from?

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        CriddleDog

        Except for the South Sea Bubble of 1720!
        Only proves he was human and got caught up in the herding.
        A little bit like current events really.

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        Geoffrey Williams

        And this shows how even a genius can be wrong . .

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        Ted1

        Newton’s quote that I remember is: “If I have seen further than others, that is because I stood on the shoulders of giants”.

        They were mighty men! Without silicon chips!

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      farmerbraun

      “We don’t know all of the variables that impact temperature.”

      Which is why this nonsense can never be science.
      It’s really hard to eliminate variables which you do not know exist.
      But what does science have to do with it , anyway?
      It’s irrelevant, now that the kiddies don’t even know what scientific enquiry looks like.

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        yarpos

        Science deals in unknowns and uncertainties. Its pretty hard to progress unless you do.

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        Kevin T Kilty

        Just because there are variables we cannot identify doesn’t mean that we can’t make a scientific approach to the issue. It just means that we have to do a better job of identifying biases and avoiding them then randomizing the data collection sufficiently that the remaining unknowns are more like random errors rather than biases. It’s an approach like RCT in medicine. What occurs is that the bounds on uncertainties become larger — perhaps too large to make the data fit for certain purposes. This would be an appropriately scientific approach. It could make clear that future climate projections aren’t reliable and that wrecking the world economy for sake of hugely unknown future states is a very bad trade.

        The present problem is that much of the scientific community are too optimistic about what they know, and in some cases have disqualifying biases vis a vis funding. The politicians take estimates which should have large uncertainty bounds, but run with something that aids in promoting their pet policies. It’s what they always do. The public, unfortunately, are mystified as to what qualifies as “science.”

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      RickWill

      They don’t know the variables and just fudge the numbers to get the programs to make it look like they work.

      The belief in a “greenhouse effect” regulating energy flows is where the rot starts.

      There is only one thing everybody needs to know about Earth’s energy balance and climate. That is – open ocean surface temperature cannot exceed 32C and will not exceed 30C for more than a matter of days. It is a fundamental property of the water in the atmosphere and the atmospheric mass. The sky literally goes dark through the middle of the day if the open ocean surface gets to 32C. The surface simply CANNOT get hotter than this. There are a few near land-locked water bodies where the limiting process does not form such as the Persian Gulf but they have no influence on the overall energy balance.

      The control mechanism is observed as deep convection and monsoon and is well known. No climate model incorporates the physics of this process.

      It is the reason water remains as liquid on the surface and has not boiled off over the eons that Earth has existed. It is the reason that Earth continues to sustain life after billions of years.

      There has been eras when the atmospheric mass was much higher than present and that increases the regulating temperature from 30C up to 33C as recent as the last 100 million years. However trace amounts of CO2 are not going to alter the atmospheric mass in any way that will alter the limiting temperature.

      The regulating temperature limit of 30C is well known; first appearing in scientific papers in the 1970s. However this knowledge has been systematically buried as authors got aligned with the UN IPCC agenda.

      It beggars belief that this remains the case because the surface temperature limiting process is now observed by satellites on a daily basis across all tropical waters:
      https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/ocean/cdas-sflux_sst_global_1.png

      If there was a “greenhouse effect” controlling energy flows then there would be thermal runaway because water is the most abundant radiative gas and in limitless supply from the surface. All the water would boil off in a matter of centuries. It doesn’t because there will never be clear skies over water above 32C – always dark with no sunlight making it to the surface.

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      John in Oz

      It appears the writers of Blackadder were visionaries:

      Lord Percy Percy : I’ve done it, my Lord! I’ve discovered how to turn things into gold! Pure gold!

      Blackadder : You have? Show me!

      Lord Percy Percy : [takes lid off melting pot, and Baldrick, Percy and Blackadder are bathed in a green glow] Behold!

      Blackadder : Percy… it’s green.

      Lord Percy Percy : Yes, my Lord!

      Blackadder : Now, look, Percy, I don’t mean to be pedantic or anything, but the color of gold… is gold. That’s why it’s called gold. What YOU have discovered, if it has a name, is some… Green.

      Lord Percy Percy : [removes lump of Green from pot] Oh, Edmund… can it be true? That I hold here, in my mortal hand, a nugget of purest Green?

      Lord Percy Percy : Yes indeed, Percy, except that it’s not really a nugget but more of a splat.

      Blackadder : Yes, my Lord. A splat today, but tomorrow, who knows, or dares to dream…

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      Kim

      Add to that Astrologers. 100% of Astrologers think Astrology is correct therefore Astrology must be correct.

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        Hanrahan

        But weren’t the ancient astrologers correct? They knew the orbits of planets and AFAIK no one has corrected their timing of The Age Of Aquarius.

        I hold them in awe, but what do I know, I’m just a mechanic/techy.

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      PTR

      Sounds good, 32 green thumbs so far. I’ll come at from a different angle. It’s the economy stupid! At the same time it’s all so simple. For wealth creation, Australia is basically a mine. It also produces some income from primary production. There are other bits and pieces. Most economic activity is financed by debt and there is not much happening. So, how can wealth be created/increased, and activity stimulated for those who want to increase their lot/influence?. Ah! by changing something large and significant, doesn’t matter that it was ok the way it was. But more importantly, have it guarantee financed by all and sundry in the community, and with an assured income stream.
      There is no long term plan to build large polluting, energy and resource consuming industry, so consequently, no need to upscale what there is at present.
      Australia is a large land mass, now mostly urbanized, and more significantly feminized. Just look at the map to see where the political power centres are, then consider the ideology of those who reside there. Don’t blame the MSM, they are only a business selling product to those who want to purchase it.. Hey, old fellas, get over it, the past is the past, get used to the future.

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        Len

        Where I am the women voted below the belt. They all seem to vote for the woman whereas the men vote for the better candidate hence splitting the male vote 🙁

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          Ted1

          Len, that’s pertinent, but not what I saw till this election.

          My observation was that a lot of women don’t trust women.

          I’d still back it to stand the test of time.

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      Ted1

      You’ll never get quality information by “homogenising the data.

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    Dave of Gold Coast, Qld.

    Maybe shades of things to come… the new PM elect is going to bring the nation together! Really? Isn’t that exactly what Joe Biden said in the US when he was first elected. With the leftist/commos agenda on climate and renewables here we will be in the same place as the USA in a few months if not sooner. I wonder how long before Labor opens our borders as well, just like their last time AND just like the US.

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      b.nice

      Albo = Aussie version of Biden.. but that’s what Australians have voted for.

      Good luck Australia.. you are going to need it !

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        Lance

        “Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.” ― H.L. Mencken

        Apparently, AU is putting this theory to the physical test. My condolences.

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        yarpos

        Unfair I think. Albo is a touch more sentient and not tainted with corruption.

        I do think the Albo administration will be every bit as clueless and destructive as Bidens.

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      RicDre

      “… the new PM elect is going to bring the nation together! Really? Isn’t that exactly what Joe Biden said in the US ..”

      That is indeed what Mr. Biden said. Of course, his definition of “bringing the nation together” is that everyone just agree with whatever he says or does. More recently, he said he is going to stop trying to work with the opposition (as if he ever started trying to work with them in the first place). I sincerely hope this works out better for Australia than it did for the US, but judging by the comments I’ve read here so far, I am not seeing much reason for optimism.

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        Harves

        Took US voters about 12 months till the ‘buyers’ remorse’ set in.
        Minimising destruction of the economy may now be in the hands of the Unions. Who’d have thought that 20 years ago?

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          Ronin

          The coal unions should be thinking about shutting down all the coal mines in mid winter, give the nummies something to ponder.

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            Dennis

            Not needed soon, last night Albo promised Australia will soon be a renewable energy super power.

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              MP

              Smirko has said that a dozen times, after all thats how he planned to achieve net zero by 2050.

              You are a spin doctor and a very poor one to boot.

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                Dennis

                Have you looked into a mirror lately?

                PM Morrison refused to ban coal mining, refused to increase the Paris Agreement target and to lower the target date from 2030 to 2025 when demanded at COP26 Glasgow. He would not formally commit Australia to net zero emissions by 2050 as requested, he said there will be “an aspiration goal based on development (if possible) of new technology” and without damaging the economy.

                The Coalition Federal Government lowered Labor’s RET and direct subsidies to private sector investors, and strengthened company laws to force greater competition on pricing of electricity. And have often stated that they would like more replacement power stations, subject of course the the required State Government planning approval etc. They proposed 4 gas generators (1 each VIC and SEQ and 2 NSW) but so far only 1 for NSW Hunter Valley has been approved by the NSW Government. They also proposed 1 new HELE coal fired power station for NTH QLD, that remains to be approved by QLD Labor.

                To post a reply attempting to create a diversion from Albo and Wong’s statements last night that Australia will become a renewable energy powerhouse reflects on spin from you MP.

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                MP

                Would not know what Albo and Wong said, I did not watch and will not watch. YTed Smirko’s defeat speach this morning for a chuckle though.

                Australia’s whole-of-economy Long-Term Emissions Reduction Plan is our plan to achieve net zero emissions by 2050.

                The technology-driven plan sets out a credible pathway to net zero by 2050, while preserving our existing industries, establishing Australia as a leader in low emissions technologies, and positioning our regions to prosper.
                https://www.industry.gov.au/data-and-publications/australias-long-term-emissions-reduction-plan

                https://www.industry.gov.au/data-and-publication
                s/australias-national-hydrogen-strategy

                https://www.minister.industry.gov.au/ministers/taylor/speeches/keynote-address-2021-australian-hydrogen-conference

                This has nothing to do with Coal Minning, its coal for our own energy requirements, no coal fired power stations by 2030 is part of net zero 2050.

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        Chris

        Labor and Libs support the WHO, Labour and Libs support the WEF and the digital economy. Labor and Libs support the Digital ID draft bill. Just like Obama whispering in Bidens’ ear, is Penny Wong going to be the power behind the throne?

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      Rule Number 1 is – “Don’t Panic”. Albo has a PLAN !!!!!!! /sarc off

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        Lawrie

        And like all good political plans he never told us the details. It’s a lot like that show on TV where people bid on the contents of a locked shipping container. Is it a Daimler or an empty take-away container? In Albo’s case I lean toward the latter.

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          James Murphy

          Empty shipping containers still have intrinsic value and purpose. Albo… not so much.

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        Strop

        That phrase “we have a plan” was used so many times in the campaign and yet I didn’t once hear a journo ask what was the detail of any of those plans. I was just about shouting at the TV “ask him what the F#@!$ plan is”.
        One did ask if he knew the 6 points of his NDIS reform. But that’s only because he mentioned there were 6 points. Those points were all so wishy-washy.

        Labor has always been big on words and small on detail.

        I don’t think I’ve ever seen such a poor campaign as what Labor dished up be successful before. Which I guess is a reflection on the Libs.

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          Stuart

          We have a plan, a very cunning plan
          Is it as cunning as a fox what used to be Professor of Cunning at Oxford University but has moved on and is now working for the U.N. at the High Commission of International Cunning Planning.

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      John Connor II

      Bring the nation together alright, just not the way they think 😄

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    RicDre

    “I’m gearing up for the battle ahead. The bank balance is on the rocks though. Please, I need your support.”

    Done.

    In a world of insanity, this site is an island of reason.

    [Thank you so much RicDre and ColA and others. It’s very appreciated! — Jo]

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      ColA

      In a world of insanity, this site is an island of reason.

      Completely agree Rick, also done!

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    I note your new leader said Oz will become a renewable power house despite their being very little on the campaign trail on this.

    Conservatives have a natural constituency and fishing in highly urban woke areas is not where they will catch them.

    I don’t like adhoms but i heard the new guy on the radio. I have never seen him, as yet. Unless he is mightily impressive in real life, the guy has zero credibility as a speaker and has comfortably ousted Nicola Sturgeon as the world most annoying speaker.

    So get a credible new leader, some proper conservative policies, avoid the woke districts and the pieces will fall into place

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      yarpos

      Yes he is naturally annoying.
      He did say he would invest in “renewables” but i didnt hear him eliminate other options, although that is sort of assumed with Labor.

      He will probably bumble us into chaos. He doesnt appear exude competence or intelligence.

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      Lawrie

      Morrison lost the election at Glasgow. He is the fifth PM to lose power over climate. Albo will be the sixth. Tony Abbott was the only one to win when he dumped the carbon tax and stopped the boats. Peter Dutton appears to be in the box seat as the new leader of the opposition.

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        Ted1

        And Tony Abbott’s landslide mandate was thwarted by Clive Palmer in cahoots with Al Gore.

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          GlenM

          After this election the UAP and Palmer are history. Sad that Hansen may fill to garner a quota for QLD senate. What now for the libertarian right?

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        Hanrahan

        Lawrie, that is right. Each new PM is elected/chosen because the previous one was too green for the electorate and then joins Kermit anyway.

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      Dennis

      Well he and his Labor colleagues are beholden to the Greens, and no doubt will listen to the Teal Greens Party.

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    Mikky

    In the UK, when Tories get fed up with the Conservative Party, a lot of them just don’t vote, but I guess this is not possible with compulsory voting, which may have helped somewhat to soften the blow in Australia, taking seats away from Labor.

    There is a lot of talk about Culture Wars, but the big picture seems more like wars that never happened, because one side failed to turn up.

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      Kim

      The preferential voting system allows the voter to indicate their displeasure. It will be interesting to see how many Libs get in on preferences and what the margins are. Personally I’m going to be Kim Van Winkle. Live my own separate life.

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        Tim

        I ws scrutineering last night. The preferences didnt even get looked at. They took the 2 highest candidate votes and allocated the rest of the votes based on who of the 2 was highest on the voter ballot. I find this a bit sus, I questioned it and got told thats the way it is done. So much for preferences

        By the way the informal vote was 11.5 %

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          FarmerDoug2

          Can’t work preferences till all votes in an electorate are added. What we did last night at individual polling places was just 2 party prefered. The tallies were all sent in though and a computer should be able to distribute preferences quick.
          Doug

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          Dianeh

          Tim, that is the way it is done. That was the problem with so many minor parties. They split the vote and hand the seat to the majors in most cases. For an independent to get preferences they have to get a substantial vote upfront, a hard call except if the candidate is well known and respected in the electorate. Or a Teal with backing from a billionaire.

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          Yonniestone

          Tim I’m glad you noticed this, today there’s been increasing reports from scrutineers around Australia with the same experience, I have some from my electorate of Ballarat, one in particular gives place, time, and names which I won’t put here without permission, for the AEC to drop the legal preference system for a two party one on the night is outright fraud, also most voting places couldn’t produce the election writ when asked.

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          Hanrahan

          As long as the paper votes are kept, if it is close a recount would necessitate proper allocation. I wouldn’t be too alarmed.

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      Bruce

      It is NOT (yet) compulsory “voting. It is mandatory attendance at a polling place. Slight difference. What goes on in those ever-shrinking, cardboard “booths, is for the moment, still “secret”.

      If we get shunted into using a system like the electronic “dominion” system, then all is lost.

      Refer to the “Stalin” quote:

      “It’s not who votes that counts, it is WHO counts the votes”.

      The eco-nazis cut a bit of a swathe through a LOT of urban (and “tree-change”) electorates, too. How many “independents” were green or ALP “stalking horses”.

      And THEIR ABCess talking heads could not quite conceal their smirks this morning.

      Churnalists: The fifth-column, fourth estate.

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    Simon

    The people have spoken. Many Australians have been affected by extreme weather events in recent years. Climate change has become a defining issue and neither major party put forward serious policies for mitigation and adaption.

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      Broadie

      Simon, who was the candidate your electorate spoke for in ‘La La’ land?

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      Pulltheotherone

      We will see how this rag tag band of dimwits handle the extreme weather event of the tsunami that will hit Australia when the US crashes into a hard landing recession brought on by & worsened by Bidens energy policies.

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        b.nice

        “into a hard landing recession brought on by & worsened by Biden’s energy policies.”

        While they try to implement their own idiotic version of “action on climate” (Whatever that means).

        I bet that not one person who voted “Teal non-independants”, would have the vaguest clue what it even means or what it would entail.

        They have voted for an anti-science, anti-reality, virtue-seeking meme that has been bashed into their skulls by a continuous propaganda barrage.

        Cannot end well when there is absolutely zero substance behind the things you vote for.

        Unfortunately, many other people will suffer well before they feel any pain or hardship.

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          Ronin

          The ‘people’ wanted change, well it’s on it’s way, hope they enjoy it. !

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          Harves

          I bet that not one person who voted “Teal non-independants”, would have the vaguest clue what it even means or what it would entail.

          And not one of them would agree to a wind turbine anywhere near their leafy address.
          The Libs should set up a climate action electorate tracker for the Teal electorates – track their energy usage, their vehicle types, their average incomes, ability to afford increased energy costs, number of wind turbines in their electorates, amount of subsidies they receive for their solar panels etc. Let the mums and dads know who these elites are who are destroying our economy.

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          Dianeh

          The people that voted for Teal, voted for increased renewal subsidies for their party leader Simon. They just thought they were voting for action on climate.

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      el+gordo

      ‘ … extreme weather events …’

      Are a global cooling signal.

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      Furiously+Curious

      It must have been great to live back in the past, when they didn’t have to deal with any weather extremes.
      So the ones in recent years were weather extremes, not climate change?

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        GlenM

        You can blame the MSM for wall to wall climate scaremongering that brainwashed the vacant minded masses.

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        Simon

        Most voters understand that changing the mean or standard deviation has a disproportionate effect on the probability of extremes. It’s part of the high school statistics curriculum.

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          b.nice

          You are talking gibberish, yet again.

          No evidence mean or Sd have changed.

          Its all just normal climate variability.

          If you had even the slightest knowledge of Australia’s weather history, you would know that.

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            Simon

            Tell that to the Bureau of Meteorology: http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/change/#tabs=Tracker
            You can’t keep stating opinions that are provably false.

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              b.nice

              You have posted to a temperature series, in which it is KNOWN that nearly 50% of sites are “unfit for purpose”, and which is homogenised to the bejees to create a fake trend.

              Yes, BoM’s temperature data is FAKE DATA. There have been no extreme temperature events, out of the ordinary, within any real temperature data.

              There has been no real change in temperature this century.

              Rainfall graphs are doing nothing, except a step change way back in the 1970s.. nothing to do with any human causation.

              You have failed yet again to produce anything real to back up your idiotic dis-information and comments.

              Just like you continue to fail completely to produce any scientific evidence of warming by atmospheric CO2.

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                Simon

                I have previously pointed you to papers by Arrhenius, Charney, Hansen, and Mann. You have refused to accept them. You hold the contrarian position, therefore you must provide evidence or limit your many postings to observable facts.

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                b.nice

                Your lack of grasp of science is hilarious.

                Arhennius tacked on a maybe, onto a paper where he couldn’t even get equations that matched with units.. and retracted it afterwards

                Hansen proved absolutely nothing made a couple of protestations and projection , only the no-new-carbon projection that came anywhere near reality. DOH !

                Mann fabricated a fake hockey stick which has been debunked as being basically fraudulent and certainly not based on any science.

                In none of these papers is there one bit of scientific proof that atmospheric CO2 causes warming.. NONE, NADA… zip.

                I know science is an anathema to you, and that you never bother to read and comprehend papers you put forward. But do at least try.

                You have failed yet again to produce anything real to back up your idiotic dis-information and comments.

                Just like you continue to fail completely to produce any scientific evidence of warming by atmospheric CO2.

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                b.nice

                Come on, simple one.. Its in your court.

                Please show us exactly where in the papers you say you have read, there is scientific proof that CO2 causes warming.

                Must be proof, not conjecture, that doesn’t go against the basic laws of physics, net energy transfer, thermal gradient etc etc

                (assumption driven models, need not apply)

                We can wait. 😉

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              Sceptical+Sam

              Yes Simon. We all know how the BoM achieves it stats.

              It has remodelled the national temperature dataset 3 times over the last 9 years to ensure it lines up in support of the anti-science CAGW narrative.

              It has cooled the past to exaggerate the recent.

              It has closed weather stations willy-nilly.

              It has changed the temperature measuring technology without due regard for the longer-term reliability and validity of the temperature record.

              It has cut out all the pre-1910 records so that longer-term weather variations are not available for comparison purposes by the brain dead MSM and the other unthinking automatons.

              And yet you still run with their tripe.

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              b.nice

              And in real temperatures the late 1800s and early 190s were warmer in Australia than current temperature.

              That is why BoM don’t use those values.

              Your FAKE comments have no weight here. !

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              Simon

              There have been many independent reviews of the BoM datasets, e.g: http://www.bom.gov.au/inside/Review_of_Bureau_of_Meteorology_Automatic_Weather_Stations.pdf http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/data/acorn-sat/documents/ACORN-SAT_IPR_Panel_Report_WEB.pdf and none say what you claim. We also have independent temperature series which concur with BoM: http://berkeleyearth.lbl.gov/regions/australia You’re talking complete and utter nonsense. Not once have you linked to peer-reviewed scientific literature.

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                Ian

                In response to b.nice’s comment #7.3.2.1.3. you write

                “You’re talking complete and utter nonsense. Not once have you linked to peer-reviewed scientific literature.”

                You are wasting your time.b.nice doesn’t even know what peer reviewed scientific literature is let alone where to find it and if by chance he stumbled over such literature he would not understand it.

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                b.nice

                Oh dear. self and pal reviews seriously! … of course BoM thinks BoM is correct

                47% of sites UNFIT FOR PURPOSE. And you do know that BoM doesn’t even follow its own procedures for AWS measurements don’t you !

                Massive urban warming.

                Massive adjustments.. you can go and see them yourselves.. always cooling the past warming the present.

                and Berkeley..lol!….. playing exactly the same adjustment scam.

                UAH has been verified against the most pristine surface data in the world, against other radiative data and now against global balloon data.

                BoM has been verified against NOTHING

                You have failed yet again to produce anything real to back up your idiotic dis-information and comments.

                Just like you continue to fail completely to produce any scientific evidence of warming by atmospheric CO2.

                And Ian , you are just as much of a total failure to produce evidence as Simon is.

                When it comes to science.. you are both non-entities.

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                b.nice

                First link is to a “nothing” report.

                It is not a review of actual procedures and calculations done by BoM

                The high level findings say absolutely NOTHING about the veracity and accuracy of the final fabrication,

                in fact, it notes problems with arrangements for measurements, curation of data, total lack of transparency opf how and why “adjustments are made

                Also mentions that because of lack of transparency and inconsistency, there is “key person risk” ie anyone could do whatever they wanted to the data

                So thanks Simon.. you have simply delivered a scathing report of the BoM data fabrication

                WELL DONE.

                Ps , perhaps you should try to read and comprehend your links before you post them, so as to not make such an abject fool of yourself.

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                GlenM

                It may not occur to you that all of bodies you quote are in up to their gills with this fr..d and constantly skew their results to engender a warming trend. Pea and thimble trick.

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                b.nice

                LOL.. so much for “global warming”

                Did you know that after decades of catastrophic man-made global warming, Earth’s temperature is right at the 1979-2000 mean,

                https://realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/gfs_world-ced_t2anom_1-day-16-1.png

                World temperature anomaly = ZERO compared to 1979-2000 mean.

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              Ronin

              BOM is fake, the data is trimmed, altered and prettied up. Fake is as fake does.

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                Simon

                Please present peer-reviewed scientific evidence. No one here has yet managed to do so. It’s all vague hand-waving, pointing at photos of isolated weather stations, and claims based upon a complete misunderstanding of homogenisation statistics.

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                b.nice

                There has been plenty of evidence posted over the past that shows that the BoM data is totally UNFIT FOR PURPOSE and is MANICALLY ADJUSTED.

                Just because you close your eyes and mind and go la-la-la… doesn’t mean it wasn’t posted.

                You do know that peer-review is just for journal publication, don’t you !

                Stop piling more ignorance on top of what you have already displayed.

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                Harves

                If someone pointed out that Simon had his shoes in the wrong feet his response would be “Where’s the peer reviewed evidence?” Zero ability to think for himself. I expect when asked what his favourite colour was he’d have to consult a model.

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                b.nice

                “he’d have to consult a model.”

                And Ian would have to consult an opinion poll. 😉

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              Strop

              An anomaly chart that shows it’s warmed. Now show the cause.

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                Sceptical+Sam

                The cause for the warming shown on the chart is well known. Only those who deny the facts reject it.

                The reason is pretty simple.

                Adjust the temperature data through homogenization, through selective weather station closures, through instrumentation changes and through cooling the past.

                Then blame CO2.

                The reason they never show the proof that it’s CO2 “what done it”, is because that proof doesn’t exist. The science supports the Null hypothesis. It’s not CO2.

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          Robert Swan

          Simon,

          Most voters understand that changing the mean or standard deviation has a disproportionate effect on the probability of extremes.

          Don’t be so sure that most voters are as innumerate as you.

          The mean doesn’t affect the data, the data affects the mean. It’s perfectly possible for the mean to change when extremes have become less extreme (e.g. 1, 2, 3 => 1.5, 2.2, 2.5). It’s perfectly possible for the extremes to get more extreme, yet the mean doesn’t change at all (e.g. 1, 2, 3 => -1, 2, 5).

          The mean tells you nothing about the extremes; all the alarmist warnings about extreme weather based on modelling means is bunkum.

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            Simon

            The data is individual outcomes of a system. Perturb the system, and the data outcomes will change, as will the mean, variance, and maybe the shape of the probability distribution. Most people intuitively grasp this. Maybe this chart will help if you are struggling: https://archive.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/tar/wg1/images/fig2-32s.gif

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              b.nice

              Links to a political propaganda pap paper.

              Those charts are totally and absolutely meaningless.

              Even the AGW farce itself says that warming will be in cooler places and in the evening, so normal curves would change differently from the juvenile attempt in that link.

              The charts are aimed at mathematically and scientifically illiterate children… just for people like you.

              You have failed yet again to produce anything real to back up your idiotic dis-information and comments.

              Just like you continue to fail completely to produce any scientific evidence of warming by atmospheric CO2.

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              el+gordo

              High pressure in the Bight this time of year is a global cooling signal.

              http://www.bom.gov.au/fwo/IDY65100.pdf

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                GlenM

                I wish they would shift a bit further north EG these blasted SE ers prevent me getting out to the reef. Next weekend maybe.

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          James Murphy

          A lot of people don’t have a clue what the mean, median, or standard deviation is. even asking to explain “average” is going a bit far.
          Show them a Gaussian distribution and see their eyes glaze over… though at least some identify it as a “bell curve”.

          I have lost count of the number of times I need to explain these basic statistical concepts to people with supposed degrees in engineering, or science. Not just Australians either, but people from all over the place.

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          Kevin T Kilty

          There is no evidence at all that most voters understand anything at all about statistics or uncertainty. You are invested in magical thinking.

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            yarpos

            Had to look waaaayy upthread to check who was so mind numbingly out of touch. It all makes sense now.

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      b.nice

      ” Many Australians have been affected by extreme weather events in recent years”

      As in many years and many decades in the past.

      There is nothing untoward or unprecedented about anything… except the AGW screeching and wailing.

      Adaptation… sure.. what do you suggest?

      Mitigation.. .. unicorn farts and pixie dust !!

      Absolutely nothing we do in Australia will affect the weather or climate by even the poofteenth of a degree.

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      exsteelworker

      And India,China,Russia,Africa,Pakistan, Indonesia, Philippines ect are increasing coal use year on year. The Western world is terminal decline, and when we hit rock bottom, we will need learn Mandarin.

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        Harves

        The modern day equivalent of Easter Island. Wasting our resources trying to appease the Gods.

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      el+gordo

      ‘The people have spoken.’

      The good news is that Dutton will take over as Opposition leader and the Liberal moderates have been routed, while the agrarian socialists have retained all seats. According to Barnaby it was
      “an urban election and a regional election”.

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        Simon

        Be aware though that many regard Dutton as an out and out racist. He would drive the uncommitted mainstream voter away from the Liberals just like what is happening to the US Republican Party.

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          b.nice

          Many regard Albo as an out and out fool.

          “Racist” is just a pathetic, woke, virtue-seeking tag that is used by the far-left to try and bring other people down to their level of hatred.

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          b.nice

          “He would drive the uncommitted mainstream voter away from the Liberals just like what is happening to the US Republican Party..”

          LOL, Trump got more votes in the 2020 election than the 2016.

          Foot in mouth disease again.. poor Simon !!

          Oh and btw.. Its Biden that is driving voters away from the Democrats

          At least try to get something correct.. just once. !

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          Bozotheclown

          What are you smoking Simon? The mid-term elections are going to be a complete rout. It is the Democrats that are driving mostly everyone to vote right.

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          Dennis

          And there is evidence of the next Labor character assassination campaign, speculating at this time on who the new Opposition Leader will probably be.

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          Harves

          And right on cue Simon plays the ‘racist’ card … but is such a coward he projects his views on “some people” rather than own it.

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          el+gordo

          ‘He would drive the uncommitted mainstream voter away ….’

          Good, we don’t need them.

          Australians are not Americans and anecdotal evidence suggesting potato head is racist doesn’t make the cut.

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          Simon

          It’s a radical idea, but maybe the Liberal Party could become a liberal party…

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            b.nice

            There’s already two very left-wing parties.

            Australia doesn’t need a third.

            That is why the Libs got “down-graded” this election..

            —-

            And why do you think everyone should join you in your leftist sewer ?

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            el+gordo

            The Liberal Part is centre right and Labor is centre left, no big deal.

            You’re going nowhere with that shallow comment.

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          James Murphy

          Simon, I regard you as an out an out idiot, but that doesn’t mean I am correct.

          The real racists are the politicians and voters who judge people by skin colour, and want Aboriginals explicitly mentioned in the constitution, because apparently they do not already think of Aboriginals as being Australian citizens.
          The real racists are those who believe that people of a different skin colour are unable to stand up for themselves without white people to help them.
          The real racists don’t want the atrocious disparity in Aboriginal life expectancy fixed, because it would take away their ability to look down on those with a different skin colour, and to virtue signal like idiots.
          The real racists claim that only white people can be racist.

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          Kevin T Kilty

          Except that polls show the independents are being driven toward the Republican party because of the grotesque incompetence and mendacity of the Biden administration. More magical thing, Simon.

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      yarpos

      Spin cycle on 11 there Simon.

      I seriously doubt climate is a top issue for the average person. Projecting green biases doesnt make it real.

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        el+gordo

        Climate change was the major issue in the city but not the bush.

        “We have an opportunity now to end the climate wars in Australia.” (Albo)

        With Dutton at the helm the climate war has been reinvigorated.

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        Stuart

        It may be the top issue when the lights go out in a year or two.

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      Lawrie

      “Extreme” weather has not affected one resident of one of those green teal seats. Seats that were affected largely voted for their incumbent LNP candidates. Those people, unlike the ignorant climate warriors, realise that nature is all powerful and is not affected by mankind to any extent.

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        Tel

        Susan Templeman got a swing in her favour in the Division of Macquarie.

        There was a massive 10% swing against the Liberal Party in that division, so people must have been upset by something.

        Did the flood make a difference? The overall severity of the recent flood on the Hawkesbury was very similar 30 years ago, but perhaps a lot of the new people don’t know that.

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          GlenM

          Kevin Hogan (Nats) in Page NSW increased his vote by 3 percent. Lismore is in Page.

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            Tel

            Hmmm, not so fast, you are quoting the “two party preferred vote”.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_2022_Australian_federal_election_in_New_South_Wales#Page

            In actual first preference votes there was a swing AGAINST the Nationals, although small … and also a much larger swing against the ALP. Both the majors were on the nose. A big pack of minor parties were trying their luck for the first time, and the best of those was Dr Hanabeth Luke. She has never contested before and got 10% of first preferences … enough to make a nett profit I believe.

            I checked out her policies, and on her web page they are literally written in teal (the headings at least) and sure enough “Climate Change” is one of her five main issues. I searched against the “Climate 200” and there’s some evidence that Dr Hanabeth Luke does have their support.

            OK, after preferences, the Nationals have that seat locked down, and probably those independents collectively did more damage to Labor … but turning up out of nowhere and grabbing 10% of first preference is not to be scoffed at. More than Clive Palmer could achieve and he spent a lot more than Holmes a Court.

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      Lance

      Why ought anyone bother mitigating or adapting to the propaganda espoused by computer models and refuted by reality?

      Seriously, there is zero evidence that a problem exists that can be solved by governments bankrupting and destroying their own national economies.

      Simon, see if you can answer this pertinent question that bears heavily upon your claims:

      “How many virgins need be tossed into a volcano so that the spring rains will arrive and the crops will be plentiful?”

      In the alternative, “ought the personal and corporate assets of all who endorse, promote, profit from, impose upon the citizens, be held in escrow for restitution of damages, should their prognostications fail to materialize?”
      It seems only reasonable. Confidence schemes are illegal, you know.

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      Deano

      Yes – but throwing more virgins into the volcano won’t stop fires or floods. Neither will driving electric cars made from minerals that require strip mining the Earth’s surface to make in required quantities.

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      Grogery

      Many Australians have been affected by extreme weather events in recent years.

      Maybe those affected could move to the North Pole where the weather is more predictable.

      They could also volunteer to help Santa and the elves prepare presents once a year.

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        Ronin

        “Many Australians have been affected by extreme weather events in recent years.”

        Many have also bought property in known flood prone areas, Lismore and Gympie come to mind.

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      William Astley

      In reply to: “Many Australians have been affected by extreme weather events in recent years.”

      Sure. So what. Everyone knows, China burns more coal and natural gas than any other country in the world. China is the largest coal producer in the world. China now has secure energy supplies from Russia.

      The Green scams do not work for basic engineering reasons that cannot be changed, regardless of the amount of money spent. How much climate change has been stopped by the green scams?

      Germany and the EU are heading towards economic collapse because of super high energy prices and almost no domestic energy production.

      Climate change is a non issue for voters because it cannot be changed. Climate change as an issue is going to disappear when the economic wars/troubles start.

      Decades of climate change madness and the recent thoughtless Russian sanctions, has now caused worldwide shortages of energy, shortages strategic materials, economic sanctions, country lockdowns, and stagflation. Stock markets worldwide are crashing.

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    Broadie

    But climate change is a fashion contest, and not only does it make no sense, but by definition, the sensible-option never wins on the cat-walk.

    As a fashion statement, the climate change lunacy is more like a tattoo than a garment. The stain will be hard to remove and the wearer is initially in denial of how ridiculous their decision was. That is unless it is like a needle infection (contract hepatitus, etc), and your lithium battery burns your house down. Then reality sets in.

    The tattoo we are all going to receive is the vaccine passport / social credit score. The only change will be that the delivery will be less methodical and more tyrannical in application due to the hap hazard nature of the looney left. This in comparison to the cold hearted delivery of One World Government and its useful idiots. Those members now moving to the Opposition side of the house or on to their tax payer funded golden egg retirement.

    Sage advice is to rid yourself of the mobile phone and address your correspondence when you are ready by checking your emails. Take the ‘binging’ out of your life and find some contacts in the community around you. They may have a stash of flour they can exchange with you for one of your home brews or some of your salt.

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    Honk R Smith

    Compulsory voting …
    are you allowed (compulsed) to vote if you are unvaxxed?
    Government incentivizing can get confusing.

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      “are you allowed (compulsed) to vote if you are unvaxxed?”
      Yes. To ask you otherwise and/or to question why you were voting early would have caused a massive traffic jam.
      At the early voting stations, there was a poster stating you had to have an excuse for voting early, eg religious, work commitments blah blah. I spent a minute or two working on my (false) excuse. Not needed. No one was questioned. (The writers of rules have no understanding of logistics.) You just got a split-second squirt of alcohol and a pencil before the electoral roll check.

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    philemon

    Why is it all PayPal?

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    RicDre

    From WUWT, Eric Worrall’s take on the election:

    Australia Goes Deep Green: Federal Election 2022

    Although the dust hasn’t fully settled, its looking increasingly likely Australia will have one of the greenest governments in our history, after the panicked last minute conservative attempt to embrace Net Zero spectacularly backfired, and led to a string of losses to “Teal Independents”. But Australia is about to face some very serious economic problems which green ideology can’t fix.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/05/21/australia-goes-green-federal-election-2022/#comments

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      Michael Spencer

      I just wonder how many new young first-time voters, having been propagandised at school, have voted ‘to save the planet’?

      I suspect that the answer is: “Quite a few!”

      (The long, slow march of socialism – and all that …..)

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    Binny Pegler

    Morrison got to be Prime Minister, by not being Turnbull or Abbott. He won the last election by not being Bill Shorten.
    Albo simply out ‘Bieged’ him.

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    Rafe Champion

    We have to regroup to make up lost ground. Some of us will try to regenerate the Liberal Party that has been debilitated by the pink/greens who mostly lost their seats – Wilson, Sharma, Zimmerman, Allan.

    The game was lost when Turnbull and his associates assassinated Tony Abbott and did not have the wits or the will to contest the green narrative and make the case for sensible climate and energy policies.

    Plus the cumulative effect of three decades of serious green indoctrination in the schools resulting in a growing number of young people who are predominantly Green, Labour or pink/green Liberal voters.

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      Fookes

      Fine sentiments but I fear any sort of regeneration is unlikely. Most thoughtful (common sense) liberal voters have a vastly different perspective to those political operators in the party who will likely interpret the green swing as a ringing endorsement for their current policies. These people are difficult to remove and I suspect their assumption may be that they weren’t green enough. Madness I know, but having been involved in some of our state liberal policy committees I can attest to the incredibly infantile level of debate and total lack of critical thinking that takes place. To most of these party members it matters little that the party has lost its traditional base. They see them as the Australian equivalent of Hilary’s deplorables – to be merely tolerated rather than listened to. Standing as a candidate in the last state election, I was as disappointed in the scale of fragmentation and support within the liberal party ranks as the levels of basic literacy in those turning up to vote at my booth. Your last point hits the nail on the head. Education is the wellspring of a functioning society and until we are able to provide a basic education to our younger generation the outlook for this country doesn’t look too promising.

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        Binny Pegler

        Agree it seems no matter what the outcome, the solution is away ‘move left’

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        Stuart

        One of the Teal candidates made a point in an interview, “The liberal voters want action on climate change and they dont seem to be getting it. We (Teal independents) offer that action on climate and they are voting for us instead of the liberal incumbant”. It seems that the real problem is climate education, people see fire and floods and heatwaves and believe the media that CO2 causes it. It doesnt but how can anyone fight the propaganda?

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      Michael Spencer

      You must have read my mind Rafe! (I’ve just posted on the comment before yours! But I think that it deserves repetition …)

      I just wonder how many new young first-time voters, having been propagandised at school, have voted ‘to save the planet’?

      I suspect that the answer is: “Quite a few!”

      (The long, slow march of socialism – and all that …..)

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    I resigned from the LNP last year and at the time castigated both State and Federal members that adopting Labour policies meant that all you did was lose conservative members and lose votes from others who may have voted for you, but won’t bother as they may as well vote Labour anyway.

    Sources within the LNP had told me of concern at large loss of conservative members prior to the election. And with their disappearance there was even less restraint on the Matt Kean types whose leftist madness is at home with the Greens but not the LNP as we knew it. And those departing conservatives have gone to One Nation, UAP and Lib Dems – who espouse the policies they support.

    With the loss of conservatives along came Net Zero idiocy, complete silence on vaxx mandates, reckless vaxx pushing and essentially a WEF agenda. And here we are with a lost govt…and destruction of our country via an out of control, unworkable Leftist agenda is now a very real issue. I hope those left at the LNP understand this is totally an own goal.

    Me – I am off to work overseas again. In places where there are no mad mandates and a stupid renewables agenda. I can do it as I have the experience and contacts, but the vast majority are now trapped in a WEF nightmare – which they will wake up to eventually, but only after everything is destroyed.

    The only way forw

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    OldOzzie

    Will just survey the wreckage quickly – incredible that Labor gets in on 30%, then will get long black and watch recorded F1 P3 and Formula 1 Qualifying for Spanish Grand Prix

    My kids voted Teal – Steggall – they and all their friends think she is great and along with all Grandkids think Climate Change – it has been pounded in throughout both generations education

    As my Wife just said, they will learn what Misery is when Labor brings in Death Duties after they have (as they always do) further screwed further the Australian Economy and shut down Coal

    To Quote Michael Smith News “Rue the Day”

    Plus

    There is a God

    Best news of the Day Kristina Keneally lost Fowler

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      PeterS

      Yes, but too bad it didn’t show up where it counts so that the majors are given a well deserved kick on their backsides.

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      b.nice

      “Kristina Keneally lost Fowler”

      Thank goodness.. what an irksome creature that one is. !

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      Ronin

      ‘Best news of the Day Kristina Keneally lost Fowler’

      A bright spot on an otherwise bleak day.

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        beowulf

        KK might be out of office, but like a bad smell she won’t be going away any time soon. It’s no secret that her meteoric rise to prominence on the basis of her non-existent talent and performance indicate she is the pet of the Labor hierarchy. She is a protected species. With her only obvious talent — that of spewing vitriol — she will be undermining the new incumbent in Fowler every second of every day, then they will wedge her back into the Senate at the first opportunity, top of the ticket, so she doesn’t have to face the voters again.

        She was so keen to live in Sydney’s West that she bought a little house in her would-be electorate. I’m guessing the place is already back on the market, getting flogged off ASAP. She’ll have to wipe her shoes to get that nasty Western Sydney dust off them before she sails home to her luxury digs at her Scotland Island weekender.

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          yarpos

          I expect a couple of plum board placements or perhaps even an ambassadorial appointment?

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    Chris M

    Politics in the US, Australia and the UK appear to be following similar patterns – the ‘socialist’/ left of centre parties that were traditionally for the worker/working class are now becoming the parties of the middle class( ie Labour in the UK) whereas the traditional right of centre parties of the middle class (ie Conservative/Tory in the UK) are capturing more of the working class vote. But the reality everywhere is that all the old mainstream parties are now pretty much the same – big government, elite,, woke, climate emergency mass immigration etc

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    OldOzzie

    Australia Election – COVID Knucklehead Scott Morrison Out, Climate Change Knucklehead Anthony Albanese In

    May 21, 2022 – Sundance

    After allowing the various state premiers to brutalize the citizens in each of the states with catastrophic COVID restrictions, mandates and compliance regulations, the conservative Prime Minister of Australia, Scott Morrison, has lost his feeble attempt to win reelection.

    Australia has replaced Morrison with Labour party candidate Anthony Albanese. The COVID dictator is out, and the Climate-Change dictator is now installed. Good luck Australia.

    (Via MSM) […] “We hand over this country as a government in a stronger position than when we inherited it when we came to government (in 2013),” Morrison told a gathering of Liberal supporters in Sydney late Saturday night. He said it had been a “privilege to lead this great party and lead this great nation” but that he, as leader, would “take responsibility for the wins and the losses”.

    “As a result I will be handing over the leadership at the next party room meeting, to ensure that the party can be taken forward under new leadership,” he said.

    “It’s a night of disappointment … but it’s also a time for coalition members and supporters all across the country to hold their heads high. We have been a strong government. We have been a good government. Australia is stronger as a result of our efforts over these last three terms.” (read more)

    (Via Politico) – […] Opposition leader Anthony Albanese will be sworn in as prime minister after his Labor party clenched its first electoral win since 2007.

    Labor has promised more financial assistance and a robust social safety net as Australia grapples with the highest inflation since 2001 and soaring housing prices.

    The party also plans to increase minimal wages, and on the foreign policy front, it proposed to establish a Pacific defense school to train neighboring armies in response to China’s potential military presence on the Solomon Islands on Australia’s doorstep.

    It also wants to tackle climate change with a more ambitious 43 percent reduction in greenhouse gas emissions by 2050. (read more)

    The biggest winners…

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      Old Cocky

      It’s not surprising that somebody in the USA doesn’t understand the Australian Federal system of government and the areas of State and Commonwealth power and responsibility.

      Listening to, and reading, a lot of the pre-election commentary, it seems that many Australians don’t, either.

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        Grogery

        … the areas of State and Commonwealth power and responsibility.

        The fact remains that scomo had the constitution to override the insane power-mad premiers, but he was all talk and no action. Instead he created a nice little covid “cabinet” where he colluded with these evil premiers to strip the Australian citizens of their rights.

        Good riddance. I hope these imbeciles learn a lesson, but I doubt it.

        The National party should remove themselves from the lefty LNP and become the true “conservative” party of Australia.

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          Old Cocky

          Which section and subsection?

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            Grogery

            Mainly section 51.

            Good information in this Quadrant article. Too late now though.

            https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/the-law/2021/11/if-the-will-were-there-to-end-vaccine-mandates/

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              Old Cocky

              That just seemed to be about vaccinations. I’m not sure how external affairs powers apply internally, but he’s in the game and I’m not.

              I thought you meant the various lockdowns and the head busting by the wallopers.

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                Grogery

                Putting the vaccination part aside, I read some of the links provided in the article, and the bit about section 51 being used along with section 109. My interpretation is that scomo could have pulled these crazy premiers into line if he wanted to, but he preferred to use them as an excuse for his inaction instead.

                “Sir Harry Gibbs, a former Australian Chief Justice, explains that “it appears no exaggeration to say” that together with the regular operation of s. 109 (inconsistency) of the Constitution, the external affairs power has the potential to

                annihilate State legislative power in virtually every respect.[2] “.

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    Kim

    The Libs have stuffed up massively. It will be very difficult and a long road from them to recover. My ‘new T shirt’ – on the front “Don’t Look at Me” on the back “I didn’t f#$k things up”. I’m not going to bust a gut over them. They can have my tuppence worth but they’ve got to put in the mileage, I’m just going to sit back.

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      PeterS

      Not only have the Libs stuffed up badly, the voters too. It appears there was a stronger swing towards the teal minor parties than the true conservative minor parties. Need more time to analyse the results though.

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      Kim

      Our sitting Lib candidate in Forrest is 10.80% down. Not a surprise. The Libs have been largely clueless and brainless.

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    IOW, Morison is a people-pleaser.

    Abbot wasn’t. And Kennett, the Victorian Premier in the ‘90s, wasn’t either.

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    Yonniestone

    Its amusing to see people still putting the two major parties into separate camps, over the past two years three months virtually ALL of the politicians state and federal have supported and voted in draconian covid 19 health orders or measures that flew in the face of existing laws, rights, science and health that destroyed the health, businesses and lives of those that elected them.

    This was and is still being played out according to the globalist powers that own them, for what this election was worth most voted out of either apathy or shock from the abuse they endured over two years, if they think that was rough wait for whats planned for the next two, remember the date set is 2030 and this is not negotiable for these people.

    Left right center are all the parts of the same bird.

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    Ronin

    The purge has begun, watch things change under Peter Dutton, the bloke who should have been PM instead of Scomo.

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      Rob JM

      Volderwort is a part of the “Game of Mates” as much as the next corrupt politician. Or do you not remember giving the AFL boss’s au pair a free pass on a visa.

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    PeterS

    What we really need is a few years under ALP+Greens to expose them for what they really are. Then perhaps the LNP will wake up and run away from the left as if a raging bushfire was after them, which in effect is what the ALP+Greens will do to the nation in due course. Otherwise, if the LNP doesn’t wake up then we can hope they too are consumed by the raging fire and two or more new major parties rise up from the ashes. It’s up to them.

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      b.nice

      “two or more new major parties rise up from the ashes.”

      Don’t know where from. ON combining with Lib Democrats? UAP is done. Maybe spread itself too thin.

      Nationals vote wasn’t affected anywhere near what the Libs vote was, if at all..

      Holmes-a-cort has shown that elections can be bought if you target specific seats with enough cash and a high profile single issue female candidate.

      Steggle getting re-elected shows just how far the minds of inner city wokeness has sunk and just how out of touch people now are with reality.

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        Forrest Gardener

        Agreed and especially agreed with Holmes-a-Court. Plainly the time was right for a whole raft of seats to be won.

        And in my electorate it was as if no other candidate was even trying. Yesterday I walked past the polling booth just down the end of my street and the pattern from the day before was repeated. To get in through the gate would have meant running a gamut of niceness with two nice ladies guarding the entrance with their nice how to vote cards – and no other candidates were represented at all.

        Having the sitting member and his mum against the army of niceness was a no contest.

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        Harves

        It is crazy that we even need parties like the Lib Dems or even ON. Most of what they campaign should be core LNP values/policies. The Libs just need to move back to where they were under Howard instead of trying to out-Teal Green-Labor

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      RicDre

      “What we really need is a few years under ALP+Greens to expose them for what they really are.”

      Here in the US, it only took a year for the Left to expose themselves for what they really are. Hopefully, those chickens will come home to roost in this year’s November elections.

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    OldOzzie

    Jacinta Price will be a Senator and the NT News reports her saying

    “Australia, a very affluent nation, has been taken for a ride by the Greens, by the Left, and they will soon find out what that means.

    “But we will be there, working tirelessly making sure the job is getting done no matter what, so we can support the marginalised, so that our businesses are still going, even when we’re faced with such high rates of crime.

    “I’m going to go bloody hard, I can tell you that now, because my ancestors would be bloody upset if I didn’t.”

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      Harves

      I’m waiting for the screams from the media of “racism and homophobia” directed at those electorates that dumped Ken Wyatt, Tim Wilson and Trent Zimmerman.

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    Deano

    It’s interesting to hear how ‘our’ ABC is portraying this result as evidence that Australians want more climate action.
    The next election will be VERY interesting as 3 years of economic pain to try forcing a crook theory into reality will soon turn voters away.

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      Ronin

      Someone should ask the zealots how many tenths of a degree the global temp will drop if we shut down everything that produces CO2.

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        Forrest Gardener

        And follow up by asking what percentage of CO2 they are personally breathing out!

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        Mark Allinson

        “Someone should ask the zealots how many tenths of a degree the global temp will drop if we shut down everything that produces CO2.”

        And once that goal has been reached and Australia’s CO2 output hits absolute zero, the Chinese economy will replace our 1% reduction of the world’s total within two months, as if we had never existed.

        But still, those two months of proud self-congratulations at having “taken action on climate change” will be so worth it – while even squatting on our flea-infested bums in the bush and dreaming of the next juicy Witchetty Grub.

        So worth it.

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    Ronin

    Has Australia got collective amnesia, don’t they remember what the state of the place was by the time Tony Abbott’s govt was voted in in a landslide.

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    Philip

    Moderate Liberals were the weak point. It gets you know where bending to the left.

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      PeterS

      Yes, when so called conservatives pander to the left, they lose support. Time for LNP to wake up to themselves and have a good look in the mirror. However, let’s face the truth. Fewer Australians are interested in right of centre any more for various reasons so true conservatives are between a rock and a hard place. That’s why Australians in general need to learn their lesson the hard and painful way. An ALP+Greens+teals government will make that happen sooner, which is a good thing. The sooner we go through nadir the sooner we rise up again.

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    Philip

    I actually ran an environmental business and these Teal voter of Sydney was my client base. Middle class adapting to liberal attitudes. They bought into environmentalism but were generally centrists.

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      Forrest Gardener

      In my books that is the great unknown. The teal greens promised niceness for all. Now the nation gets to see their true colours.

      The good news is that none of them come across to be revolting characters like the Labor and especially the Greens do. Yet.

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        Rob JM

        If the Teal “do gooders” get some anti corruption legislation across the line then they might do some good. The green mass hysteria is about the meat the harsh reality of global scarcity, and die a rapid death. People don’t look to kindly to wishful thinking when the lights go out and they don’t have much to eat. Global revolution against the elites is coming.

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          Serp

          Global revolution against the elites is coming eh, a cakewalk for the elites surely –think holodomor or great leap forward.

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      Deano

      Do you feel that once they see the economic damage their environmental policies do, they might back off a bit? Or did you get the impression they are sufficiently insulated from the consequences that they wouldn’t care?

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    GTB

    It seems we have two Labour parties now, one is called Labour and the other is called Liberal/national party.

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    Andy

    I blame the ABC for relentlessly brainwashing viewers, many of whom are located in the inner city teal seats, with zero grasp on how catastrophic the coming net zero policies are going to be.

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      GreatAuntJanet

      ALL the mainstream media contributed to the brainwashing.

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      Deano

      I heard ‘vox pop’ street interviews with “typical Australian voters” and quite a few were voting for a candidate because they spoke nicely or “were a woman” (whatever that is now). Many had no idea who to vote for or who their local candidate even was.
      That’s a big part of the problem.

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    Harves

    Waleed Aly, surprisingly, captured it better than anyone, pointing out that voters in wealthy electorates shifted left, while those in less wealthy seats moved right.

    Disagree with this interpretation.
    Those that voted Teal think they are getting a conservative who will do a bit more on climate change – Morrison’s support for net zero made action on climate change a legitimate cause rather than a crackpot idea.
    Those that supposedly shifted right, haven’t really. It’s just that the major parties have shifted left and forced them to vote elsewhere.

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      MP

      Morrison lost that election for his entire incompetent party and good ridence. The dogs have had their day.

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        Dennis

        So, Albo won that election with 3 out of every 10 voters support by primary vote?

        Oh really?

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          MP

          Yes, Albo won the election. Obviously.

          Thought I read that Labor gained office on their own right, what are preferances for. I dstributed my own preferences, but others let the parties distribute.

          Take away the Nats vote (and they gained votes) and what percentage of the vote did libs actually get?

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      Hanrahan

      Looking at a map it must be 95% of the country with a coalition member.

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    Alistair Crooks

    Sure, I agree that we must continue the struggle but I dont agree with your last point

    “If the Liberal Party can regroup against political correctness, they could storm back in just as Tony Abbott did.”

    Sure, Tony Abbott talked the talk before the election and got himself elected … but then immediately folded and went hard woke on Paris agreement, immigration, ABC, 18C, gay marriage, the voice, ….
    God save us from another Tony Abbott!

    My wife says the Teal candidates are the Marie Antoinettes of our political system – dressing up in shepherdess clothes and telling everyone they can eat cake.

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      MP

      It was Turnbull and Julie Bishop who signed us up to Paris after first detouring to NY to sign us up to Agenda 2030.
      It was Morrison who knifed Abbott and put the numbers togeather for Turnbull, than he knifed Turnbull.

      Morrison will write a book on his One Term Wonder and will sell 100 million copies in Australia and the piper will be paid.

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    MP

    Hanrahan, are we there yet?

    Ding dong the witch is dead 🙂

    Now where is Dennis 🙂

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      Destroyer D69

      We are now on a cruise up S##t Creek in a barbed wire canoe powered by Pixie Dust and Unicorn F##ts with a crew led by those good people who understudied at DAVOS and WHO all financed by the acollates of the New World Order and its associates.

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      Hanrahan

      So you have changed from whinging to crowing. I see nothing to crow about.

      How did your vote for UAP go?

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      Hanrahan

      Forgot to add, the nat I voted for got up.

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    Trent

    The climate has changed.
    The political climate has changed.

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    b.nice

    I was a bit surprised the “freedom” parties didn’t pick up a bit more of the vote.

    Apparently Australians don’t care much about “freedom”……..

    Let’s see what happens when they don’t have it.

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    RickWill

    Labor is yet to get a majority in the reps.

    The senate will take days to weeks to sort out. There could be a few surprises there. Going by the first preferences, I expect preferences to run deep. Some of the small parties might gain a senate seat here and there.

    Energy poverty is now a global problem. It will continue to fuel inflation with no end in sight. Labor have landed at the beginning of this unfolding disaster. They will wear the mud that gets thrown.

    Many “greens” eventually grow up. But they are replaced by more rabid proponents with even less knowledge. So that is not going away until it is no longer fashionable. It will likely take rolling blackouts to make it less fashionable. Listening to voters in media grabs at inner city queues through the week, many believe that more solar panels and wind turbines in Australia will change the weather – so highly indoctrinated with little knowledge.

    The hope for Victorians is that Federal Labor will be so on the nose by November that it kills and chance Dan had for his survival.

    If you need a new car, hybrids make economic sense.

    The bright side of the election is that it is not a good time to be forming a government. Energy underpins modern life and energy supply is as bad as it has been for many decades. And I can absolutely guarantee that cree hydrogen is not going to change that.

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      RossP

      In general I hope you are right, Rick but especially for Victoria. Andrews will probably feel emboldened by last night. I hope for Victoria his ego gets the better of him and the Liberals learn very, very quickly from the mistakes made at Federal level.

      I think your point about it being a terrible time to be taking over the treasury benches is a key one and probably overlooked by most of the political pundits.

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    […] I am still a bit shell shocked from the outcome, not that I am all that surprised, so rather than say what I think, I will take a pair of comments from a previous post and then go read the papers – or at least do the crossword puzzle. First from Another Ian who quotes from JoNova. […]

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    Kratoklastes

    Let’s hope that the change of government emboldens the journos who have been sitting on stuff about Dutton’s career in the Qld ployce – where he was the most Ineffective Detective.

    Mr ‘National Security’ Potatohead never spotted a single dodgy colleague in his entire time in the Drugs Squad, which was later shown to be rife with bent coppers during his tenure.

    Let’s also hope that the first stories in the lugenpresse that accompany Potatohead’s leadership of the Coalition, be about his involvement in preventing the deportation of convicted drug baron David WIlliam Betham.

    For those who are concerned about corruption in Oz politics, chance would be a fine thing – but Murdoch and other oligarchs like keeping the kompromat they have on major political figures, close to their chests. They use exactly the same playbook as Jeffrey Epstein.

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    Harves

    I actually think the Teals have done conservative politics a service. They’ve positioned themselves right in the place the LINOs wanted to take the Libs. This has made it really easy for the Libs. Why for instance did the Libs not target Steggal’s hypocrisy in Warringah and Point out she’d achieved nothing? Or they should have started a feasibility study into wind turbines at Manly because that’s what they thought the electorate wanted.
    Instead of trying to out-woke these Greens in Teal clothing hold them to account for the inevitable rough times ahead. When Doctor’s taxes go up ask the Teal’s what they are doing about it, when electricity prices go up, blame the Teals along with the Greens and Labor. Point out their hypocrisy at every opportunity.

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    Ronin

    The people have spoken, they were not happy with the moderates, so right there is the direction for rebuilding the LNP.

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    One of the Teals put her head up over the parapet this morning and blah blah the ‘rush’ to renewables, great sun, fabulous wind, more batteries, plenty of lithium and blah blah blah.

    Wait til she finds out there’s a five to seven year lead time from thought bubble to power delivery for any of those power plants.

    That’s not poor implementation, but it’s just how long they take.

    They’ll close down the coal fired plants as soon as possible, but that lead time for Commercial power plants is set in stone, they just cannot do it faster, and they really haven’t done it faster, and there’s nothing they can do to rush it. Then there’ll be obfuscation as they look around for someone to tell them why the power failed, and then having to tell they people ….. why.

    Wait till they also realise the renewable power is not the same as real coal fired power.

    Life’s little realities are now coming home to roost.

    Tony.

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      David Maddison

      I expect them to close down proper coal power stations before any unreliable supposed “replacement” can be built.

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      Ross

      The lead times for windpower installations can also be very long. In some cases almost 20 years. An installation near Berrybank in Victoria just opened. Some of the original landholder approaches and negotiations started back in the early 00’s.

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        Dennis

        I wonder how long it will take for the renewable energy industry and fans to finally work out the total land area of SUITABLE land that would be needed, and the estimated trillion dollar plus cost for a workable renewable based grid, and that the suitable land onshore is not available where it is needed and offshore much more expensive and an eyesore, a blight on environmental aesthetics.

        Plus the add expense to upgrade the transmission lines to cope with renewable energy specific technical issues.

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          b.nice

          “area of SUITABLE land ‘

          It would not surprise me in the least to see them wanting to put off-shore wind turbines…. on the Great Barrier Reef.

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      b.nice

      Just so long as people remember which suburbs get “load-shedding” first. 😉

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      I’m not just saying this for any political reason at all, but it actually frightens me that the people who are in charge of making the decisions about electrical power generation have absolutely no idea whatsoever about the first thing about ….. electrical power generation.

      I mean, how easy is it just to say …… “Oh well, maybe we need the grid to collapse to make people wake up and go looking for ….. the truth about electrical power generation.”

      It’s a whole other (and very very frightening) thing indeed to contemplate what the grid collapse really means ….. for PEOPLE. It’s not flick the switch off ….. oh, wait a minute flick it back on will you.

      Electrical power generation is not POLITICAL, you know, something you can spout to run against a sitting member whose policies you disagree with.

      That power generation is actual quite complex ENGINEERING, and you’re putting people in charge of that who have trouble understanding simple arithmetic.

      This is serious, and the problem is that these people think it actually ….. IS just political.

      Tony.

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        GlenFromAus

        We saw in Venezuela the extreme societal problem of a total grid collapse.

        When their grid finally collapsed after a few close calls, it took the Venezuelian Power Authority three weeks to get the grid up again, then it failed a week later, then it took them two whole months to get it back up and *stable* again.

        ENGINEERS know that if anything is attached to a collapsed grid and that thing is left *ON*, then as soon as the grid has power, those things will start up and suck the power. which causes another collapse. Which means that the Power Companies have to go around and make sure *everything* that is attached is *OFF* (the cause of the Venezuelan two month blackout).

        This is frightening, and very hard to prepare for, BUT it will teach the IGNORANT VOTERS a lesson about voting for imbeciles like the Teals & Greens & ALP.

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    PeterS

    Matt Canavan spills the bean on Outsiders today. He admits that the LNP pandered too far to the left and is one reason they lost support and the election. Many of us have been warning about that for a long time. Matt says they must abandon the net zero mania, which of course means Morrison abandoned those who are dead against the net zero emissions push. So, Morrison is to blame for the loss of the election. There are other major reasons of course but any one of them is enough. Matt also made the comment “go woke go broke” which is what the LNP did under the Morrison leadership. How anyone would defend Morrison now is against all logic and reason. Time for a real conservative or right of centre leader to offer a real alternative party to the socialists even if more and people are shifting to the left. We just need a real alternative just to have that option, whether the people want it or not. Otherwise, we don’t have a real democracy but instead a second rate one or worse. If we don’t have a real major party championing the beliefs and conviction of true conservatives then we will forever be stuck in a loop where both major parties of the same or similar kind with all the disadvantages it brings with it.

    One thing that Outsiders pointed out is it’s a good thing that a lot of the bed wetters in the LNP have lost their seats. It’s cleansing time. Time will tell though if it’s enough.

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      Herding cats was the description first applied in 2010 when the Gillard led Labor Government effectively lost the election to the Abbott led Coalition, but PM Gillard managed to recruit Greens (no surprise because the Unions donate to the Greens and Greens usually preference Labor) and some other outsiders to form an alliance minority government.

      And the cats it turned out to be, insiders still cringe about the chaos and dysfunction that took place, one of the worst examples that PM Gillard promised there would be no carbon tax if Labor was re-elected to government but soon introduced carbon tax and a renewable energy surcharge to our electricity bills, both 10%, plus 10% GST and 10% of revenue from the taxes sent to UN green funds with a plan to convert carbon tax to an emissions trading for profit scheme joining the EU ETS. And the Renewable Energy Target with what became several billions of dollars every year to renewable energy private sector businesses.

      Last night PM Albo stated that Australia will now become “a renewable energy super power”, a treaty with Australians who happen to have Indigenous ancestry with other Australians who do not via a referendum Labor will organise, and several more “projects”.

      Now the herd of cats is larger than it was in 2010.

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      OldOzzie

      66.2% of Australians voted against their new government. Troubles await us.

      From the Comments

      – Morrrison is luckier than he realises. In a few years, Morrison will be able to claim he left the economy “brimming with prosperity”, and everyone will be too busy blaming Labor to care that he is full of shit.
      It’s Howard-Rudd all over again.

      – A steal by the Teals!!!!

      P.S. [L]abor, [G]reens, [B]andt, [T]eals- minus and [IQ] between the lot of them!!!!

      – ALP got only 32.8% of primary vote. LNP got 35.4%.

      LNP primary vote collapsed 6% but ALP primary vote is even less than last election.
      ALP got there relying very heavily on preferences.

      ALP looks like getting majority as a result of wafer thin margin – with less than a third of voters giving them 1st preference.

      – The courageous and principled Albanese government will be cursed by LNP landmines, international events beyond its control and bad luck.

      Albo will be the Zelensky of the Southern Hemisphere.

      Get Up admits that it provided over 60% of the volunteers for the Teals campaigns. Doesn’t surprise anyone as to them working hand in glove with Climate 200.

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        Kalm Keith

        Are we sure that the “counters” actually bothered with our preferences.

        There has been comment that at least one counter was so disturbed by what she saw in the counting room that she burst into tears when she got into her car on the way out.

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    John Hultquist

    Jo,
    May I humbly suggest this was not a good thread to tag this on:

    The bank balance is on the rocks though.
    Please, I need your support.

    Your faithful readers seem a little choked up over the election — not without cause.
    May I suggest a short sticky post that explains a bit about hosting and the time involved. And then a firm and friendly request.
    I might even find a Shekel or 2, or something easier to ship south of the Equator.
    You are worth our support.
    John H.

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    another ian

    Reckon he’ll get to talk to Albo?

    Or Morrison – or “successor to Morrison”?

    “HSBC Senior Banker Spanked After Dissing the Climate Crisis”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/05/21/hsbc-senior-banker-spanked-after-dissing-the-climate-crisis/

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    Dennis

    Politics aside, Great Britain has a primary vote only voting system, first past the post wins the seat.

    The Australian preferential voting system has gradually become a farce, when a government can be formed based on 3 out of every 7 voters supporting that side plus a flow of favourable supporting preference votes to achieve government the system is well and truly broken.

    Various commentators last night acknowledged this fact.

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      MP

      You are not full of suprises, who would of thought you would be back windging about your traitor mate losing to another traitor playing by the exact same rules, same system. The same system that put the twit in power 3 years ago.

      Its the system what done it.

      Told ya Dennis, told ya!

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      Dennis

      PRIMARY VOTES

      Coalition: 35.6 per cent

      Labor: 32.8 per cent

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        MP

        Preferences are there for a reason, I used them and a lot of others used them. Why should my vote not count?

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    Tel

    Dutton is sensible and stable, but not likeable.

    Turnbull was superficially likeable, but had no common sense, never a team player, and can’t be trusted.

    ScoMo has not much of either, but could have hung in there … if it wasn’t for COVID that required him to make decisions and stand for something.

    Albo is a complete idiot … no doubt his handlers will wheel him around like what they do with Biden. The media will ask him a few simple questions, Albo will bluster and slobber a bit and come up with a nonsensical half answer … then everyone nods along and seems satisfied with that. The media are not being paid to think critically. Fortunately the country is mostly run by unelected civil servants who have convinced themselves they are the smartest people in the room … and looking at Albo, that’s not surprising.

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      MP

      Maybe a complete idiot will turn out a better option then the incomplete idiot.

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      Ross

      That’s a great short summary Tel. Every accurate. My sentiments exactly. Makes you wonder if Dutton became leader of a smaller ( less wet) Liberal Party and had a charm makeover etc. Bit like what happened to AA where he lost weight, new glasses. If that happened to PD, maybe you could make him more likeable. Because he can execute an argument and make a stand on issues. I heard him talk about what he stood for in the last leadership challenge in the LNP. I liked him a lot.

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      el+gordo

      ‘ …wheel him around like what they do with Biden.’

      Albo is not Biden, you are the idiot for suggesting it.

      Free child care and free university is unAmerican, but Labor will bring it in.

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        Broadie

        And free Icecream!
        And for you my el+gordo, a steak but – served with a spoon for your own safety!

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        Tel

        Biden was once quite sharp in the sense of political cunning and ability to judge the sentiment of the time and pick a midpoint to remain acceptable to the people. Old age has slowly but surely undermined him … although now and then he still pulls it together.

        Albo has never been a bright spark and there’s nothing in the world that will change him.

        Free university was Whitlam’s policy (to placate the boomers), free childcare was Abbott’s policy. This lot can’t even think up that much for themselves … they are lower than Biden, Whitlam and Abbott.

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          el+gordo

          We have historically low unemployment, free child care will allow mothers to work, while free university education and trades will keep it low. It makes good economic sense and is very productive.

          Before the pandemic we relied on overseas students to fill universities and guest workers kept wages in check, that is now being moderated for the common good. Whitlam gave working class people a leg up, surely a good thing. Albo has a chance to keep unemployment low without inflation.

          Our political system is totally different to American democracy and the people are better served because of it.

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        Old Cocky

        Whitlam introduced free university, and Keating removed it.

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    Dennis

    I never expected to see an election result in which the winner was liked by only 3 out of every 10 Australians who voted.

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      MP

      liked by only 3 out of every 10 Australians who voted.

      And yet he beat the party that was less liked, considerably.

      Told you Dennis….I told you.

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      Ronin

      Just goes to show how on the nose Scomo and co were.

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      Ross

      Dennis, you were valiant in your defence of Scomo and the confusion around Net zero targets by the LNP. Also, the fact that the LNP had plans in place for new coal and gas electricity generators, stymied by state governments. So, well done to you. But, both Scomo and Angus Taylor never once forcefully articulated that to either their supporters, the media or the general public. They cowered and were too afraid. They could have very quickly and sensibly neutralised the whole “climate change” argument by indicating the dangers of emissions reductions to the Australian economy. Never did that either. So, I say good riddons to Scomo, but I’m still unsure about Taylor.

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        Broadie

        stymied by state governments

        And there in lies the reason we should have the three levels of government. Move your industry to the State with the cheapest electricity, lowest payroll tax and a hospital without a queue of ambulances with waiting rooms instead of wards. And then chose the region with the best transport and service infrastructure and highest standard of education.

        Remove the bureaucratic imposition of National standards and go back to where those interested in improving their products meet for beers and a discussion of the best standards to be applied to their craft. To achieve the best outcome place an ‘All Welcome’ sign out front of such a meeting of minds.

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    Macca

    We think the people really running the main parties, who are not resident in Australia do not recognise all the CO2 stuff is nonsense. They do know, very well but they need a story to sell the great underclasses, using fear, and idealism to get them to support things that suit the conspirators that they would not otherwise be silly enough to do. It has ever been this way. When you control (most of) the media, the central banks, the cabinets and the high judiciary, it is all very possible. Their aims are the “NWO” including depopulation on a grand scale, reduction of the masses to a kind of servile mind controlled slavery, and consolidation of most of the assets into their own hands (“You vill own nothing and you vill be haappyy” -Klaus Schwab.
    They are not stupid, rather they are very, very, evil.

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    Jay Jade

    The only thing that I am looking forward to as a consequence of this disappointing election outcome is Peter Dutton ripping it into Albanese.

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      PeterS

      Saw that too on Outsiders. Matt said pretty much all what had to be said. It’s well overdue for him and others to spell it as it is rather than pandering to the left and also pandering to the likes of Morrison. The truth must come out if the LNP is ever to regain any credibility.

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    David Maddison

    The lies about supposed anthropogenic global warming and other lies about Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine are so heavily entrenched that it is difficult to see what can now be done about it.

    Had the Liberals had enough intellectual honesty to investigate the truth about either and tell the voters in a convincing and evidence-based way, they might have won the election.

    However their job over the last three years was to convince a population that has been heavily dumbed down and propagandised. It might have been possible over the three year period which they had to convince people of the truth.

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      Serp

      It’s over so far as the intelligence of the general public goes; the continuous fifty year derogation of the education system has borne its stunted fruit, an ineducable population, but fear not, the ongoing steady cull will achieve a perfect global society by 2030.

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    John Connor II

    Jo – maybe a fund-raiser “thermometer” showing your target and the current level of contributions?
    Maybe other forms of payment like direct deposit?
    Some of us like anonymity 😉

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    Ross

    Jo, thanks for your comment. Look, silly me, my Easter chocolate supply just ran out! Keep doing what you’re doing, love your work.

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    TIP

    I understand NOT voting Liberal…I left them in mid 2020 (after they left me)…BUT voting GREEN?!?!?

    A green vote must be the dumbest possible vote a person can make.

    I know its not new news but the LNP refuse to listen YOU CANNOT OUT LABOR LABOR

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    another ian

    One headline

    “Whitlam-style Labor agenda mixed with big-spending Green agenda will not end well TERRY MCCRANN”

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      PeterS

      Does that mean the GG will have the spine to sack the government when things get out of hand? Probably not.

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    DOC

    To break the grip of the Greens on the nation the entire concept of Anthropogenic Global Warming has to be turned on for debate in the public domain. The cancellation culture has to be confronted.

    The concept that we are in the grips of people so damaging to our society, our economy, our freedoms and our national future is appalling. The theory after 50years has no proven basis but by destroying the scientific method we have been tipped under the wheels of the activist promoted oncoming train wreck. The entire facade around the matter wreaks of medieval threat, torture and witchcraft.

    With the current disaster being faced in Europe as EU nations try to get away from Russian dependence for fossil fuels – which also is paying for the seeds of their national destruction – Australians seem to have no exposure to the matter playing out. The action in Europe, the Europeans via the UN even being the source of this destructive creed, seems totally beyond the grasp of our politicians, let alone the people. We chase the EU lemmings like dummies! How did we ever allow international bodies to control out thinking – and they want to repeat it via the WHO!

    The crazy Europeans, those that sowed the seeds of their own destruction with this climate policy game, are now the ones saying Climate Change is a third order issue as they fight to find essential fossil fuel sources from anywhere to replace that they have to jettison, to keep the lights on. Our politicians show they are incapable of independent thought! Even now!

    To fight it all now as we hit the precipice, we have to fight big business, big investor oligarchs that fund their own single interest ‘independents’ at our elections, big media, and national and international activists with other aims on their mind. Those aims see all those nations unconcerned (and unpunished) with the theory of climate, thriving at our expense and, as enemies, increasingly threatening to ourselves and our way of life. Our people see nothing of this!They just follow soapies which themselves are full of ‘Global Warming’ horors.

    Our own government sees all the ff we export to other parts of the globe but their brains are impervious to the corollary. China is using and thriving with ffand no activist response. Australia is extensively vilified by such people, even with over reaching its promised CO2 reduction targets without destroying itself using EU designed methodologies. That is probably why Australia is so hated by the EU activists. It won’t destroy itself even under their guidance!

    Those EU plans ‘against CO2, can be seen in action in the USA under the guidance of whatever marxists in the dark are pulling Biden’s strings. The USA as seen by its current disaster of prohibiting use of its own resources, has doubling and rising fuel costs, inflation at 8% and its debt being blown even higher with money printing. I believe the mad left in America is doing exactly what it has set out to do to all Western nations (only).

    I don’t believe setting up a new political Party can work. This is makes a collection of minor Parties in our politically and internationally uneducated society which get nowhere except help throw out at least the more acceptable governance amongst the rest.

    Our society drowns in climate propaganda from all sources from the cradle to the grave. The Liberal Party is a recognised major Party destroying itself. It seeks power by ignoring its own Charter of ideals and sells itself as what is really a left of centre socialist Party.

    The elections results should surely shake it to its foundations, realising the chase left has made it redundant as it tossed aside its base that made it competitive. It’s leaders need to think long and hard re how to recapture that base, its conservatives. They have to fight socialism, not join it as they have been doing. They have to return to a right of centre position, open minds to Australian values for the individual, the freedoms and open discussion instead of treating us as just a socialist assembly of obedient serfs. They have to fight, call out the destructive left so empowered by the unproven climate ‘change’ story, and which is morphing into gender and racial theories that actually split society by the use of legalities to accept more of their weird doctrines. The Liberals have to have the courage to have all matters opened up to public debate for answers instead of accepting forced compliance as though we are Russians or Chinese. Australia is where it is due to its former freedoms. They must be restored or our governance becomes marxist the way we are headed. Science must be by the scientific method and debate. Not by unscientific declarations by government and others that they decide the facts. Debates must be public and open with protagonists charged to prove their beliefs; not have them dictated to us for political gain as is now the case.

    If this doesn’t happen Australia will be as the USA within a year. The USA will be lucky to escape large scale social disruption via both sides of its politics if it doesn’t change course soon and remember only one side is subjected to the full force of the legal system and all its powers. Americans are just starting to find the going tough in a social atmosphere that’s increasingly brutal, resents freedom of speech and is against all who threaten the now overt marxist controllers behind Biden.

    Americans are armed under a Constitution that foresaw such threats. They already have a history of a huge civil war to go back to. They need those midterm elections sooner rather than later to forestall such a disaster recurring under their enfeebled President.

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      Kalm Keith

      An excellent analysis.
      There is no doubt that evil is afoot and that the relentless progress of the destruction of society moves on unhindered.

      They’ve been working on this for fifty years and their task is near done.

      The next year is going to see a climactic collapse of our nation in a cesspool of self pity, government borrowing, personal gluttony, anger and frustration.

      Can this be turned around?

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    David Maddison

    Australia had to choose between a man with no spine (the incumbent) and a man with no brain (the contender).

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    Grogery

    I reckon the Australian political system exposed itself as corrupt to the extreme when the Uniparty colluded to wrongfully jail Pauline Hanson.

    She was a threat to their comfort zone, so they got together to minimise the threat. Probably one of the only times where the 2 “majors” wholeheartedly agreed with each other.

    Nobody was ever held accountable for that, a disgrace really.

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    Rick

    I literally worked day and night to support my local Minor Freedom Party candidate and was disgusted to see that they had preferenced Labor ahead of Liberal for some idiotically stupid tactic of trying to unseat the local incumbent. As it happens the idiots in the Liberal party preferenced Labor ahead of any other conservative candidates.
    The result being that Labor has won government on those preferences – the very last thing any of us wanted. The Liberals literally handed Labor the election.
    This is yet another example of why preferential voting is not the way to get the government that people actually want – it is too easy for morons in political parties to manipulate and game the system.

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      Tel

      As it happens the idiots in the Liberal party preferenced Labor ahead of any other conservative candidates.

      That tells you all you need to know, the Lib/Lab uniparty has been corrupted on both sides … yet they know how to keep the wagons circled and their number one priority is to lock out any new ideas.

      Any voter putting the two majors last and second last is OK by me regardless of the order. If enough people did it, they would no longer be able to get away with what they do to us.

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      Hanrahan

      As it happens the idiots in the Liberal party preferenced Labor ahead of any other conservative candidates.

      How do you know that, were you a scrutineer?

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        Hanrahan

        OK, tell us the electorate so we can see if liberal preferences get distributed. If, as in most electorates, the libs are 1 or 2 on primary votes their prefs don’t matter.

        Maybe they just didn’t like your candidate.

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    R.B

    I’m going to get barred from my doggy date group. I cracked the shits when they went on about voting Greens because of climate change and social justice, using the recent bush fires as an example. If anything exemplifies the stupidity of the typical Greens (or Teal) voter, it’s incorrectly blaming fires when 90% would not start even if it hadn’t rained for a year, 50°C and blowing a gale, if some idiot didn’t start it – by accident or deliberately.

    If you really cared about those affected by bushfires, you would not encourage even one idiot to light one. The biggest bushfire in Australia was 150 years ago lit by one careless bullock team.

    But its smugness rather than really caring. Caring if you are wrong is real social justice.

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2022/03/05/sri-lanka-organic-farming-crisis/

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      Bill+In+Oz

      They really do believe that they have to ‘save’ the planet.
      It is an ideology.
      The GREENIST ideology
      Most of them are women
      And the blokes are mostly trying to impress the females.

      We know that this ideology is bunkum.
      But we have had little success in opening their eyes to reality.
      And in that the situation is no different to the Marxist/Leninist/Maoist ideology (ies ? ) of former generations.

      So the main question remains :
      How to effectively undermine & destroy
      This unwavering faith in a bogus ideology ?

      I suspect that the answer lies not just in presenting the evidence.
      But also in dissolving the psychological barrier to seeing reality.

      Greenists really do believe they are SAVING the planet.
      That faith gives them PURPOSE in life.

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    David Maddison

    Of all the extremely bad things Green Labor will do to Australia, don’t forget spending your taxes (actual and borrowings) without restraint.

    Liberal spending was bad enough. Federal debt alone is now over $1,000,000,000,000. It will increase much more rapidly under Green Labor. I would guess in three years it will be $3,000,000,000,000.

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    Ronin

    I think that Peter Dutton gets it that pandering to lefty voters is no way to run a center right party, he is the light on the hill until 2025.

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      b.nice

      He has to be prepared to be attacked mercilessly by the ABC and MSM like Tony Abbott was.

      And to watch his back ! Don’t eat any raw vegetables etc etc.

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    Phillip Sweeney

    “Climate Action” means buying more solar panels and wind turbines from China

    How many solar panels and wind turbines will Albo need to buy to stop bushfires and floods?

    Wonder by Richard Males has been a frequent visitor to the Chinese Emmbassy?

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    Ed Zuiderwijk

    The next election will be cancelled because there will be no electricity to run the voting machines.

    Buy a generator and required fuel storage.

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    CoRev

    Our condolences from the US. It appears Oz is one election behind us here in the US, and your political experience will probably be similar ours. Expect more inflation, shortages, worsening power problems, and higher to much higher energy prices. Also expect a big political back lash sooner than later.

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      PeterS

      We tend to follow the US in a lot of things several years or so behind. It will be interesting to see though what happens here if Trump or someone like him becomes POTUS, assuming the US elections can be trusted, which is a huge assumption.

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      Hanrahan

      Australia now has its very own Brandon.

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    RicDre

    Australia Has Finally Caught the ‘Net Zero’ Bus

    From Dr. Jennifer Marohasy’s Blog

    After years of dithering here in Australia, we have finally chosen a government that ‘will act on climate change’. So said Penny Wong as she welcomed the new prime minister of Australia, Anthony Albanese, to the stage last night. I would argue it is mass delusion to suggest that we can change the climate – but the political desire for ‘climate action’ has been gathering for perhaps four decades and last night it was realized.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/05/22/australia-has-finally-caught-the-net-zero-bus/

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      PeterS

      The sooner the socialists cause enough serious damage to our grid the sooner people wake up to the fact that said socialists must never be voted into government until they change or turn into a minority party. Of course that assumes the LNP also changes and finally supports and if necessary subsidises coal and possibly nuclear power generation. The problem though is we will have to divorce ourselves from the West’s push towards the Great Reset and their greens agenda. That will be hard as we are becoming more and more tied to them through international agreements and UN obligations. Up until now both major parties were eager (in spite of what Morrison said – he told porkies, and the ALP of course still is eager) to abide to the Great Reset.

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    MrGrimNasty

    Rejoice with the BBC, Australia to become a renewables basket case power house.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-61539426

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      Hanrahan

      Has anyone explained what a “renewables powerhouse” looks like?

      We will not topple China as a manufacturer, you need cheap labour and power to do that, and you can’t put “power” on a bulk carrier and ship it around the world.

      Now if we had plenty of cheap power we could ship refined metal around the world. Aluminium is coagulated electricity after all. That’s a novel thought.

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    Robber

    Keep up the great work Jo, sent some chocolates.

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    CHRISTOPHER GOLIS

    James Morrow on last Sunday’s edition of Outsiders (Foxtel) made a great point. They played the clip of the Bedwetter Simon Birmingham blaming Deves for the loss of the Liberal/Teal seats. Morrow said this was rubbish. McKeller and North Sydney are adjoining Warringah and are sister seats/ Both Zimmerman and Falinsiki suffered 15%+ swings against themselves. They were both sitting members and had 3 years to campaign. Deves had less than 6 weeks with little support from the Libs head office yet only had 4% swing against her.

    In 2009 Alex Salmon, then First Minister of Scotland, made the claim that Scotland would become the Saudi Arabia of Renewable Energy and 80,000 jobs would be created. Windpower now comprises 80% of the energy. A recent economic analysis found less than 2000 jobs had been created.

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