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    tonyb

    The French are still furious about the submarine deal

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10003795/Britain-warned-WONT-escape-targeted-France-ambassador-row.html

    Its Ok for you lot being many thousands of miles away but we are a bare 22 miles away and the whining is even louder than the sound of the illegal migrants being ferried by motor boat to our borders by the Lifeboat service, also known as Uber Dover

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      TdeF

      But we are closer to French Indochina (Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia) and remember the Vietnam war, fundamentally against China and you are closer to France and the number of French wars is vast. And I remember the French nuclear atmospheric testing in the South Pacific and the sinking of the Rainbow Warrior. We lost many Australians defending France in two wars. Now they remember nothing. As the world’s greatest supplier of weapons, they are upset at the loss of a very profitable deal.

      Without America and the UK, even the Commonwealth, they would be speaking German and we would be speaking Japanese. And their submarine deal was a disaster from the first day. Everyone had the plans and the deal kept changing. The last estimate of the cost was above $250Bn and they were worse than our existing submarines, so there was no point building them. Plus they were building more and more of the submarines in France, which was not the deal. We were deceived.

      We should have bought working submarines at far less cost and built more, because its all about jobs in South Australia, not defence and certainly not about jobs in France.

      It is worrying now that the Germans have joined the chorus and the EU are demanding their own army, an army run by unelected bureaucrats. The wars of the second half of the 20th century were with China but all the wars before that were France and Germany.
      I can only think what Morrison had to say last year about China really shook up the US and UK.

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        Graham Richards

        This defence pact needs security. Intelligence security being the main concern! Security of our & our partners technology is also a big concern.

        Considering the “ leadership” & policies of New Zealand the current situation in that country rules out cooperation. Things will change shortly,but until then exclusion is the safest way forward considering that governments association & agreements with China!
        The belligerent attitude of the French leadership, the disdain toward the British since their withdrawal from the EU coupled with current instability of the country also points to a defence pact being far more secure with just the three parties with the most reasons for security & most importantly unity!

        Mr Macron is a constant security threat to the UK. With a change of leadership & political ideologies the French may be included if their inclusion is proved to be beneficial to AUKUS!

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          TdeF

          And we share a huge common interest with America in the Pacific which covers half the planet. It was the second theatre of war in WW2. As you suggest ANZUS is hopeless with extreme left NZ. And it was noticeable that the first tour of the new British aircraft carrier was to Asia. The real flashpoint is Taiwan and President Xi has promised to invade soon. We should not be starting to learn to build American or British nuclear submarines. That’s ridiculous. We should buy some. Today, not as Peta Credilin wrote, “some sort of jobs racket for South Australia”

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            TdeF

            And Peta Credlin’s comments on 25th February 2021 were prophetic. In particular “Rather than ask a non-ally for a nuclear option, ask Britain and the United States, whether they might be prepared to sell us their best nuclear-powered submarine, and help us to get boats in the water as soon as possible.”

            It’s the first time I have seen France described as a non ally. Which is true. But nobody else mentioned it. And Morrison is the ultra steady operator and quiet achiever he was under Abbott and Peta Credlin is looking more and more like a PM in waiting.

            When we will see photos of genius former PMs Turnbull and Rudd having lunch and spitting fission chips.

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              Dennis

              And on the subject of Prime Minister Morrison, and therefore the Morrison Government Cabinet of Ministers, and the National Leaders Cabinet of State and Territory Premiers and Prime Minister, the following link clearly explains the powers and responsibilities of State Governments (constitutional laws) and the limitations imposed on a Prime Minister when dealing with State affairs;

              https://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/publications/research-papers/download/36-research-papers/13962-emergency-powers-public-health-and-covid-19

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              beowulf

              UK and US nuclear subs are fuelled once at construction for their life of about 35 years.

              French nuclear subs require refuelling every 7 to 10 years, which implies the need for a domestic nuclear support industry in Australia, which Labor would never have agreed to. As this is a long-term project, support from both sides was required. The idea that we could rely on France to re-fuel our subs is fanciful too on many levels given their remoteness and the French track record of refusing to supply spare parts for Mirages etc. France is a loose cannon only ever answerable to itself.

              UK or US subs were a no-brainer.

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                TdeF

                That’s really important stuff. Thanks. Trusting the French to refuel their own subs is a step too far. Spare parts would be enough of a problem in a world where electronics ages faster than bread.

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          Chris

          To ty that together. In 1992 the WEF began the “Young Leaders Program”. Merkel and Gates graduated in the first class , Macron, Trudeau, Ardern and Kurz have also graduated from this program.

          http://newtube.app/user/PhilStone/KrinDKG

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        Dennis

        Obviously France relied on whatever Turnbull and Pyne told them before placing the order/contract for the to be redesigned nuclear submarine into a diesel-electric conventional powered submarine. Not a nuclear design fitted with diesel-electric instead but a RAN custom designed submarine to be called Shortfin Barracuda.

        It appeared to have been an order for political purposes here, to advantage the globalist Turnbull Party at that time in Minister Pyne’s SA electorate.

        However as PM Morrison and Minister for Defence Dutton, and other Cabinet Ministers who would have been involved in the discussions, would have pointed out when cancelling the order times have changed dramatically in our region with China openly displaying aggression towards Australia and other countries. Consider the was free trade agreement between Australia and China and the illegal import duties China has imposed together with reducing orders with Australian suppliers since our Federal Government dared to suggest that the COVID-19 source must be investigated.

        And therefore it makes much more sense for our closest allies to become involved to supply the RAN with nuclear submarines equipped with technology that US and UK nuclear submarines contain, and for maintenance to be available offshore at those allied nations bases as well as in Australia.

        Many other reasons but also that France is behind schedule on the new RAN custom design Shortfin Barracuda submarine contract.

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          Dennis

          Prime Minister Scott Morrison has been subjected to the same negativity and smearing that was directed towards Prime Minister Abbott with the main culprits being the left side of the Liberal Party (LINO Liberals), their favoured attack team at the union created GetUp activist organisation, left leaning media and of course the Opposition.

          As TdeF has accurately described our PM above the following SMH article (I am not a fan of the SMH) is however enlightening;

          https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/who-s-who-in-the-liberals-left-right-and-centre-factions-20210303-p577gv.html

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          R.B.

          The ABC insiders had the far left Peter Hartcher bagging the government for 10 minutes “”The Australian Government has once again delivered an impressively incompetent diplomatic performance” over and over again. Then David Speers interviewed the Minister for Finance (not defence) for details and to defend the governments actions. Speers wouldn’t let him talk for longer than a minute before interrupting. Right from the first question, Birmingham tried to finish his reply and Speers just didn’t care about the optics – because anyone defending the ABC is happy with the bias.

          Apparently, a minister having a trust fund to pay legal fees fighting the government funded ABC that has been hijacked by the left is dodgy, but not the hijacking of the ABC by the left is good for democracy.

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        Ted1

        As I remember it the Vietnam War was not against China. It was against the USSR’s war machine. There were times during the Vietnam War when North Vietnam was at war with China.

        Nobody ever noticed that although it cost a great deal more than planned or expected, the Vietnam War achieved its objective of holding up that war machine until it ran out of puff. It’s last gasp was then spent in Afghanistan.

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          Kalm Keith

          Yes.

          The renewed antagonism between the Vietnamese and French after the Japanese occupation during WW2 ended in the 1954 collision at Dien Binh Phu. The French left again.

          From then on the fighting began as an internal war between competing Vietnamese factions with the Russians supplying the North with large amounts of war materiel sent by rail through China. The South was supported by the United States.

          When that part of the war ended in 1975 the Russians demanded payment for the munitions and a great many Vietnamese were sent to Russia to work as slaves and pay off the debt.
          Everything comes at a price as at least 30,000 Viet workers found.

          Then, with still 200,000 Chinese helping with the war effort in North Vietnam refusing to go home, there was a vicious conflict up north. The Chinese went home.

          Post 1975 Vietnam’s second language moved from French to Russian, and many school children grew up with a good handle on Russian which helped with the masses of Russian tourists.

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        max

        “Without America and the UK, even the Commonwealth, they would be speaking German and we would be speaking Japanese.”

        you should read some books:

        The Merchants of Death by H.C. Engelbrecht and F. C. Hanighen

        https://mises.org/library/merchants-death

        War Is a Racket a 1935 short book, by Smedley D. Butler, a retired United States Marine Corps Major General and two-time Medal of Honor recipient.

        If any ask us why we died Tell them: ‘Because our fathers lied’. – Rudyard Kipling, surveying the grave of his son John Kipling, killed in WWI.

        War and socialism go hand in hand.

        If you want real defensive weapon for australia it is:
        100 Intercontinental ballistic missiles — range ~ 15 000-20 000 km.

        No need navy or army or airforce.

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          Ted1

          Methinks ICBMs may be out of date.

          I suggest that the future weapons will be smaller and very numerous.

          And I doubt our eight nuclear subs will ever be built.

          What will happen will be that we almost immediately get a capability with hired submarines, not necessarily the latest models. By the time the ink is dry on that contract they will be inventing new technology to do the job the eight are slated for at the moment.

          And while it wouldn’t at the moment seem likely, don’t bet the house on France not being involved.

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            Deano

            I don’t know what I’m talking about here but that never stopped anyone right? I thought the big advantage of subs was their ability to avoid detection once they’re deep enough. Radar, satellite imaging, acoustic sensing etc only works to limited depth or proximity allowing the submarine to sneak around. As Muhammad Ali once said “The hands can’t hit what the eyes can’t see.”
            But of course, our military will never be a match for china’s. Our best bet is to be a useful addition to the U.S. if the need ever arose.

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            max

            Methinks ICBMs may be out of date.

            maybe

            North Korea definitely do not agree with that — they are trying very hard to develop technology.
            Iran and Israel wage secret war against same issues

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      Kim

      Sorry – tell the French to shove a croissant into it and I say that as a Francophile. They need to understand the real politik. The situation with China is very serious. It has been building up for decades and needs to be urgently dealt with. The Turn-bull contract was badly put together and was inappropriate. There is a pulling together in the Anglo world. The big boys have got together in AUKUS. Any external politics – any EU, Chinese or even Russian politics is kept out. It’s an expedient act and is good and appropriate. It just needs to be prompt and effective.

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        Ted1

        They’ll work it out.

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        France generates about eighty percent of its electricity from nuclear reactors. Why not team with them to provide long-term affordable, environmentally acceptable electricity using their proven reactors and our vast uranium resources? The revenues generated would far-outstrip France’s losses from the submarine contract’s cancellation.

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          Ted1

          I keep reading about “our vast uranium resources”.

          Why would anybody else bother to explore for uranium when we are prepared to dig ours up and sell it so cheaply?

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    tonyb

    Holidays are go!

    UK goes a bit mad in booking overseas holidays after relaxation of rules

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10004247/Travel-rules-shake-sparks-half-term-booking-frenzy.html

    Mind you I still don’t think that most people have yet cottoned on that although the vaccine does a pretty good job in reducing the severity of covid, it doesn’t you catching it again nor passing it on.

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      Gerry

      Most people down here in Oz haven’t cottoned on either …iIncluding the msm journos and (probably) polices too …… the accepted wisdom here is that we need to segregate the people who can spread the virus from the ones who can spread the virus because the ones who are “protected” are in danger from the ones who are “unprotected” – who, according to the CDC, carry the same viral load as the “vaccinated”.It’s a challenging concept to get your head around because of its absurdity.

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        We were vaccinated in the UK months ago. I suspect the unaware vaccinated are less cautious than the unvaccinated, so therefore are likely to put themselves into more worrisome scenarios .

        They are less likely to distance themselves , more likely to have close physical contact and generally put themselves into more situations, especially indoors, in a confined space, where the virus might be present.

        They believe themselves to be immune to any problems

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          OldOzzie

          Quick question to Jo’s Contributors – How Many have NOT had Covid test?

          The reason I ask this, is in a Family of 7, I am the only one who has not had a PCR Covid Test – 4 Year Old had bad cough beginning of the week – Oximeter showed Oxygen levels OK, and initially youngest daughter thought croup – but took 4 year old to local hospital for Covid check and they do a special PCR check for little kids – he described it as “Something fluffing up my nose” – result negative.

          Tonyb – as still unvaccinated I take care and have been following antiviral approach for over a year now.

          I have been the healthiest member of the family for the last 5 years, having not had a cold in a house where kids frequently get colds and infections from school and kindy

          Have had Flu shots end of April every year for over 11 years, and had 3 Pneumonia shots

          As a Cancer patient, at hospital every 3 weeks, and with bloods the day before keep an eye on where I am at – feel like the healthiest Cancer patient around.

          I will probably go with Novavax when available here in OZ – in meantime, thankfully, have HCQ if required

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            Ivermectin may be effective against some cancers as well

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              OldOzzie

              Thugs & Goons Administration make it impossible to get Ivermectin

              Ivermectin pro and con

              With the emphasis on the word “con” in all its various meanings: New restrictions on prescribing ivermectin for COVID-19. Dated September 10, 2021.

              Today, the TGA, acting on the advice of the Advisory Committee for Medicines Scheduling, has placed new restrictions on the prescribing of oral ivermectin. General practitioners are now only able to prescribe ivermectin for TGA-approved conditions (indications) – scabies and certain parasitic infections. Certain specialists including infectious disease physicians, dermatologists, gastroenterologists and hepatologists (liver disease specialists) will be permitted to prescribe ivermectin for other unapproved indications if they believe it is appropriate for a particular patient.

              There is then this one might consider: From Glasgow protesters gather for ‘right to try’ different treatments.

              Tonya Adams says she was treated by Dr. Turner using ivermectin and claims the treatment saved her life.

              “I almost didn’t make it. He prescribed me the ivermectin–without the regimen he gave me I wouldn’t be here today,” said Adams.

              Bureaucrats are people with no skin in any game they oversee. That has got to change.

              From the Comments

              Bruce of Newcastle says:
              September 18, 2021 at 3:29 pm

              The data seems clear when you compare Uttar Pradesh and Kerala: ivermectin not only works but probably works better than any of the vaccines, especially for the Delta strain.

              This decision by the TGA appears to be an actual crime against humanity. I am quite serious about that.

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                Hasbeen

                You can get Ivermectin from a couple of suppliers in India. $50 + $23 freight for 100 12mg pills.

                Cheep at twice the price.

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                Ian

                In the article you point to there is a comment pointing to a review article “The mechanisms of action of Ivermectin against SARS-CoV-2: An evidence-based clinical review article Asiya Kamber Zaidi & Puya Dehgani-Mobaraki
                The Journal of Antibiotics (Nature) (2021)

                Th econclusion drawn is hardly enthusiastic about Ivermectin

                “Considering the urgency of the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, simultaneous detection of various new mutant strains and future potential re-emergence of novel coronaviruses, repurposing of approved drugs such as Ivermectin could be worthy of attention.”

                https://www.nature.com/articles/s41429-021-00430-5

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                David A

                Ian, so there’s a comment somewhere that contracts 60 international studies, numerous meta-analysis, and the real world experience of billions of people.

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                OriginalSteve

                I saw an article about how the bureaucratic sleight of hand appears to create a false “pandemic of the vaccinated”…..

                It works like this – if you turn up at a hospital with covid or a vaccine injury inside of 14 days after 1st or 2nd covid jab, you’re classified as UNVAXXED.

                Now .. it appears a lot of the injuries occur 3 days after the shot.

                https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated.html

                “In general, people are considered fully vaccinated:

                “2 weeks after their second dose in a 2-dose series, such as the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, or

                “2 weeks after a single-dose vaccine, such as Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen vaccine
                If you don’t meet these requirements, regardless of your age, you are NOT fully vaccinated.

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                Original Steve. Yes;

                Policy –
                “A COVID-19 vaccine breakthrough infection is when a person tests positive for SARS-CoV-2 (the virus that causes COVID-19) 14 days or more after their second dose of Pfizer or Moderna “

                Multiple studies have been done that demonstrate strongly weakened immune response after vaccination. (40 to 100 percent more get infected and have other negative health events)

                This has a TRIPLE impact on the numbers. Any science based methodology would remove these people from the data into a separate group at the minimum. ( actually any negative health conditions above the average, Covid or other adverse events, should go to the vaccinated column.
                The triple impact is significant. 1. They are removed from the vaccinated category.
                2. They are placed into the unvaccinated column. 3. They are then moved back into the vaccinated category. Those that contacted Covid in the space, about six weeks, now have natural immunity plus the vaccines. They should not be in a vaccinated category at all, but in an isolated category.

                This period, from first vaccinated until 14 days post second vaccine covers 100 percent of the vaccinated. (Almost a six week period during which time every case is incorrectly assigned to the unvaccinated in a multiplied affect on the numbers. )

                Thinking about the jiggered numbers, if the average time of vaccinated for US vaccinated is 4 months, this six week period constitutes more then 33 percent of period where calculating Covid statistics are mislead in a multiplied manner.

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          Tony, that is the absurd reason Australia gave for not considering Ivermectin.

          Thing is, Ivermectin works, unlike the vaccines.

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          Dennis

          In Australia I do not believe that Health authorities have made it clear enough to the people that the COVID-19 vaccine does not provide immunity, only protection that will reduce the impact of the virus on vaccinated people.

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            tonyb

            Dennis

            We are much further down the road than you and still this is not general knowledge. I often sit at a cafe and hear the older ones saying as they are double jabbed they are meeting up with friends, families etc and going to all sorts of enclosed spaces. Which is well and good but still needs caution.

            after my first jab back in February some of the other first jabbers were saying they were going straight round to see their grandchildren. So there is little awareness of the real world shortcomings of the vaccine, that they protect you from serious illness but not from getting the virus nor passing it on. It does render the passports pointless.

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        Gerard

        Vaccine passports make no sense to me. If whatever reason you decide to be unvaccinated surely your the one taking the risk. The virtuous vaccinated are supposedly safe. The day that over 60s are given the choice of vaccine will also make a difference to vaccination percentage. I wish that politician would stop making economic decisions ( surplus supplies of AZ) and allow al people to have a choice.

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          RickWill

          surely your (sic) the one taking the risk.

          Only if you never have the risk of infection – almost impossible while the virus exists.

          It is incumbent upon society to do what they can to keep you alive. There is no waiver in modern society. If you get sick you will require treatment. Consequently you are exposing all those involved in your treatment to the virus.

          Getting vaccinated is a public good. In my teen years, I had friends being conscripted to fight a war in a foreign country that most had no idea of what it was about. But they considered it their duty.

          Getting vaccinated is a duty that members of society can contribute to the benefit of society. It comes with some personal risk but is a massive good for the broad public. It is much lower personal risk than getting Covid.

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            Ian

            How very refreshing to read a comment that discusses vaccination rationally and without recourse to hyperbole

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            sean

            This is pretty much completely the wrong way around.

            As a non-sterilizing vaccine, these provide personal protection against severe illness for some time, and a reduced likelihood of catching/spreading for a much shorter time. However, you then end up being a great super spreader because you catch, feel fine, and spread everywhere.

            In reality, you do more for the public good by not getting vaccinated – you don’t contribute to the selective pressure on the virus to work around the vaccines, and you don’t spread the virus nearly as much because when you get it you actually feel sick and stay home.

            Yes, you reduce your personal risk (for a short time, and at unknown long-term cost), but you are not doing public health any favours.

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              Ian

              “In reality, you do more for the public good by not getting vaccinated – you don’t contribute to the selective pressure on the virus to work around the vaccines, and you don’t spread the virus nearly as much because when you get it you actually feel sick and stay home.

              Yes, you reduce your personal risk (for a short time, and at unknown long-term cost), but you are not doing public health any favours.”

              The literature does not support your argument.

              “In April, Public Health England reported the results of a large study of COVID-19 transmission involving more than 365,000 households with a mix of vaccinated and unvaccinated members.

              It found immunisation with either the Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccine reduced the chance of onward virus transmission by 40–60%. This means that if someone became infected after being vaccinated, they were only around half as likely to pass their infection on to others compared to infected people who were not vaccinated.

              One study from Israel, which leads the world in coronavirus vaccinations, gives some clues about what is behind this reduced transmission. Researchers identified nearly 5000 cases of breakthrough infection in previously vaccinated people, and determined how much virus was present in their nose swabs. Compared to unvaccinated people, the amount of virus detected was significantly lower in those who got vaccinated.

              More virus in the nose has been linked to greater infectiousness and increased risks of onward transmission

              These studies show vaccination is likely to substantially reduce virus transmission by reducing the pool of people who become infected, and reducing virus levels in the nose in people with breakthrough infections.”

              https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/mounting-evidence-suggests-covid-vaccines-do-reduc

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            RobB

            “It is incumbent upon society to do what they can to keep you alive. ”

            Actually it is incumbent upon society to protect people’s right to exercise freedom and liberty.

            People are allowed to chose to do all sorts of things that are not beneficial to themselves or the wider society. They can smoke, they can drink, they can jump out of planes, go bungy jumping and swim with sharks. That is because the removal of the freedom to “sin” would be even worse for society. What is life if you cannot choose your own destiny? Everybody makes bad choices in life but without the possibility of error, there is no life.

            And then – very importantly – what exactly is a good choice and what is a bad choice?

            Just like going to war is not always a good idea. Ever heard of Afghanistan? There were a whole lot people who didnt agree with the Vietnam war who used their freedom and liberty to demonstrate against it. Thats why there is no conscription now.

            Without freedom and liberty there is no possibility to point out the truth. The is no possibility to point out that getting vaccinated is actually not a public good when there are demonstrably safer and more effect alternatives available. Why can we not have the freedom to choose our own medical treatment?

            Without freedom and liberty the slide into totalitarianism “for the public good” is inevitable. That is of course the mantra of every communist party.

            Unfortunately this covid hysteria is being used as an excuse to strip away civil liberties as Australia slides into totalitarianism. The imposition of vaccine passports, tracking Apps etc is a direct attack on democracy.

            Go read “1984”. Perpetual war. First we have a war on terror, now it is a war on covid. People are kept in perpetual fear and need to do as big brother tells them – all in the interests of their safety.

            A situation that every good communist loves.

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            Robert Swan

            It is incumbent upon society to do what they can to keep you alive.

            What a sweet sentiment!

            So let’s buy vaccines for all, and make sure everyone partakes, for the greater good. And we’ll continue wearing masks, because look how few flu cases there were last year. And isn’t the road toll much better than usual too? Lets keep the car restrictions going. In fact why should people have cars at all? And gradually (or suddenly, as has happened in the last 18 months) we are reduced to “battery humans” (think battery hens).

            And some number of people will embrace it all because of that platitude: for the greater good.

            You may want to be kept alive, but I prefer to live my life. Otherwise there’s not much point to death.

            While the Rose blows along the River Brink,
            With old Khayyám the Ruby Vintage drink :
            And when the Angel with his darker Draught
            Draws up to Thee – take that, and do not shrink.

            (Rubaiyat of Omar Khayam Q48)

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            OldOzzie

            CDC Cautions Against Taking The Red Pill

            ATLANTA, GA—The CDC has cautioned Americans against taking the red pill, as it can lead to severe side effects such as “realizing the truth about the way our society is manipulated by the elites”

            According to the CDC, many are overdosing on red pills, which are a black market drug that has never been approved by the American government.

            “We’ve seen a lot of people recommend taking the red pill,” said CDC Director Rochelle Walensky. “And we just have to remind everyone that the CDC is not approved by the FDA or any other governing body. It could spread ideas like that freedom is a good thing and that thinking for yourself is a healthy American value. People might start getting the wrong idea.”

            Walensky said the red pill is contagious, and that just one person taking it could lead to more and more instances of people thinking outside the box of conventional opinion and questioning their leaders.

            Meanwhile, the FDA is rushing out an emergency approval process on a new, stronger blue pill to counteract the red pill crisis.

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            MP

            “I had friends being conscripted to fight a war in a foreign country that most had no idea of what it was about. But they considered it their duty.”

            Conscription – Compulsory enrolment, especially for the armed forces; draft. Enlisting is voluntary and is an individuals choice.
            Australia had a referendum on conscription, both military and medical, Australia said no. The result was written into our constitution, no means no.

            “It is much lower personal risk than getting Covid.”
            If it comes with any personal risk than that becomes a personal choice, you are not my responsibility.

            I can get killed crossing a road, that’s my choice. You push me that’s murder and was your choice.

            Here’s some actual facts not from media and lying government. This is a study conducted world wide, irrefutable.

            100% of the people I know have survived the most lethal pandemic in history. 100% of the people I know have not caught the most contagious virus in history.
            100% of the people they know have survived the most lethal pandemic in history. 100% of the people they know have not caught the most contagious virus in history.
            100% of the people I know whom have tested positive have had no symptoms. Based on 2020BC methods for the detection of illness, they had nothing.
            Based on actual verifiable data over 19 months of the most lethal, most contagious plague EVER.

            About 1% of the people I communicate with with have died due to your lockdowns, your imagination. How responsible do you feel for those deaths.

            I read your almost psychotic rants, you are terrified. Others safety did not factor one iota, it was all about you. You wrote a ways back that you had ostracised your wife because she had a tickle in her throat. Men I know would die for their wives, their families.

            If you demand that I am forced to take a medical procedure against my will, to protect you, then you take full liability for that action and I will hold you fully accountable for any and all injuries. Where do I send the contract, put your money where your mouth is.

            Getting vaccinated is not a duty, defending rights and freedoms is.

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              MP

              I watch that little counter at the bottom right of your comments, from that I get the actual vaxxination ratio of Australians.

              Your numbers are fabricated propaganda by paid off criminals masquerading as experts, media and governments.

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              GD

              Well said, MP!

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            TedM

            ” In my teen years, I had friends being conscripted to fight a war in a foreign country that most had no idea of what it was about.”

            Rick I was one of those conscripts, and being vaccinated then has nothing to do with this supposed vaccine. Those vaccines worked, they stopped you from getting sick. They didn’t lead to vaccine resistant variants like the leaky covid19 vaccines are likely to do.
            Your analogy is totally meaningless.

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              OldOzzie

              Rick Getting vaccinated is a public good. In my teen years, I had friends being conscripted to fight a war in a foreign country that most had no idea of what it was about. But they considered it their duty.

              Rick grow up – I won the first ballot for Vietnam and knew fully what it was about.

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              Kalm Keith

              Rick,
              While I have always been pro vaccine throughout my life, my views have changed in recent years.

              A couple of years ago there were a couple of serious adverse reactions to the flu vax and more recently the CV19 vaccines.

              Given the highly politicised history of the CV19 vaccines, the reported “inadequacies” coming out of Israel’s experience and the warnings from numerous experts like Professor Clancy, it cannot be said that the current vaccines are useful or ethically applied.

              The damage done by the associated lockdowns seems to far exceed the dangers presented by the “disease to end all diseases”.

              The social damage done by fighting CV19 in the manner used is immense and nobody in the future will be willing to go into small business, which is a huge part of Australia’s fabric.

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                Kalm Keith

                Rick,
                Something that’s puzzled me for a long time concerns the Neanderthals.
                Why did they cease to exist around 32,000 years ago?
                Recent discussions here have finally shown me the light:
                They weren’t Vaccinated!
                It’s so obvious now.

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            clarence.t

            “It is incumbent upon society to do what they can to keep you alive.”

            Tell that to the TGA and their anti-IVM stance.

            That stance is totally irrational and against all common sense.

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            yarpos

            “It is incumbent upon society to do what they can to keep you alive. ”

            mmmmmm while we are it it we should prohibit all dangerous activities like rock fishing, skydiving, motorcycle racing, driving in general and taking random drugs not mandated by government. Citizens should remain in their beige cotton wool lined boxes as far as possible outside of the prescribed ablution/meal times.

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        wal1957

        You nailed the situation perfectly.

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          David A

          Sometime the reply box needs to be adjusted to carry the name of the replied to to the persons comment replying.

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            Serp

            yep, took ages to trace back to 2.1 and then return here; mind you what of the curfew and all there’s not much else to do …

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              MP

              The Brownlow interviews on MSM tonight when asked about the curfew. Did not apply to them.

              Can we all see what’s going on yet.

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        Kim

        I got the AZ jab mid last week and was hit badly – nasty flu symptoms. I only hope that it works. Will get the booster but no follow up after that. People have to be able to make their own health decisions. Their primary aim has to be able to do what is best for their own health. Mandatory vaccines and vaccine passports are not the way to go. The vaccines have emergency approval only. That means that any employer who mandates the vaccine to their staff cannot refer liability through to the manufacturer. They – the employer – assumes the liability.

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          Dennis

          Three members of my nearby living family (others elsewhere as well) have received Oxford-Astra Zeneca vaccination with no serious problems, we had a sore upper arm (not too painful) and felt like experiencing a very mild hangover the next day.

          After that back to normal.

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          RickWill

          I was a bit dizzy after getting up the day after my first vaccination. May have been just very relaxing sleep and elevating too quickly. I was queasy on the 5 to 7 day after the second jab. I will consider booster shots if Covid persists in the community.

          My 75yo sister-in-law needed a day in bed to recover her first shot but no ill effect after second. My wife is a few years younger and had no effect other than a bit of bruising around the jab.

          It appears the older people have more serious consequence with AZ.

          My eldest son had bouts of shingles after each Moderna jab – lives in the UK.

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          Graeme#4

          The second dose of AZ seems to have less of an effect. Most folks I’ve talked to who have had their second dose haven’t experienced any problems.

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        GD

        It’s a challenging concept to get your head around because of its absurdity

        Or to put it another way:

        The protected must be protected from the unprotected by forcing the unprotected to get the protection that doesn’t protect the protected.

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      John R T

      Last month: minor French/Chinese nuclear reactor leak.
      The Pacific needs no more French connections. UK power poverty/dependence should alert our British ally.

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    dinn, rob

    good morning, boys and girls. This morning we turn to your favorite subject, killer synthetic viruses:
    6-8-21 at a 2016 forum discussing “emerging infectious diseases and the next pandemic: ”While describing how his organization sequences deadly viruses, Daszak describes the process of “insert[ing] spike proteins” into viruses to see if they can “bind to human cells” as being carried out by his “colleagues in China”:
    “Then when you get a sequence of a virus, and it looks like a relative of a known nasty pathogen, just like we did with SARS. We found other coronaviruses in bats, a whole host of them, some of them looked very similar to SARS. So we sequenced the spike protein: the protein that attaches to cells. Then we… Well I didn’t do this work, but my colleagues in China did the work. You create pseudo particles, you insert the spike proteins from those viruses, see if they bind to human cells. At each step of this you move closer and closer to this virus could really become pathogenic in people.  “You end up with a small number of viruses that really do look like killers,” he adds. https://thenationalpulse.com/exclusive/daszak-reveals-chinese-colleagues-manipulating-coronaviruses/
    ………

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      dinn, rob

      how AI crashed American security system: Most Hellfires not aimed at target but his/her cell phone
      https://balance10.blogspot.com/2021/09/how-ai-crashed-american-security.html

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      Rob yes, a joint venture of US swamp and the CCP.

      Fortunately the smear on Ivermectin is done. Uttar Pradesh used a very effective distribution method. They did contact tracing and gave not only the patient, but there entire family and other contacts Ivermectin. Lockdowns in India were a big problem. What happens when you restrict a very dense population to crowded indoor locations, and dozens often shared a single restroom? ( far worse then the official numbers )

      They could not test to the extent of the US, so they focused on case, contacts, Ivermectin. They broke the RO of the Virus way below one. Due to their focused testing the peak positive rate was almost 20 percent. Currently most states in the providence of Uttar Pradesh had zero positive. In 226,000 targeted tests, they had a positive rate of .01 percent. They crushed it.

      A word of note about the India cases. There is fairly strong evidence, excess deaths and large group cremations, that Covid cases and deaths were considerably higher then the official records. After much reading I think it likely that deaths were three to four times the official numbers. The excess deaths were higher, but so many distribution items and essentials broke down with lockdowns. Starvation or severe malnutrition led to many deaths.

      And while natural immunity is a factor, it is not nearly the factor one may think. The reason is India’s incredible population density. It is estimated that about fifty to 60 percent eventually acquired natural immunity. At 50 percent India’s remaining population density is still 18 times Australia and about 3.5 times the US. That is still a lot of fuel.

      There is also growing evidence of vaccine harm.

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        I would assume US testing was better but judging by the test positivity, if India got up to 22% positive at the peak (OWID), that’s better than quite a few US states.

        Eg in October last year 11 US states had test positivity about 15%.
        As a nation the US peaked at 14% (and is back there again right now curiously). So US testing is better than India. But the UK peaked in the first wave at 35%. Japan was recently at 20%. Even France reached 15% last November

        It’s probably more useful to compare Indian states and US states rather than conglomerate them, but judging by those numbers India isn’t as awful at testing as we might think. MExico and Iran BTW got to 53% positivity. Probably the worst in the world (apart from possibly? African nations that may not even test, I don’t know.)

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        David+A
        September 19, 2021 at 9:27 am ·
        Fortunately the smear on Ivermectin is done. Uttar Pradesh used a very effective distribution method. They did contact tracing and gave not only the patient, but there entire family and other contacts Ivermectin.

        Was the UP Invermectin treatment combined with other drugs, ? ….Zinc ? Etc..
        …or simply as a solo drug dose as used for parasites ?

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    Concern by Swiss citizens that their country is going down the road of covid passports and demand a referendum to decide if they want to go in that direction

    https://www.conservativewoman.co.uk/your-papers-please-in-switzerland/

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      yarpos

      The Swiss (the older ones at least) do have a love of rules and controls, but this may be a step to far.

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        dinn, rob

        9-18-21 Sars2 Iran 80/490= 16.3% increase/day https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/iran
        ……………..
        Russia 19.6/545= 3.6% increase/day
        ……………………..…
        Turkey 27.7/420= 6.6% increase/day
        ……………………………
        USA 158/9417= 1.7% increase/day
        ………………………
        Malaysia 17.6/204= 8.6% increase/day
        …………………………………….
        Many places are way down in rate of infection/day. Argentina is one of these—even drastically down.
        …………………
        9-2-21 The drug ivermectin, scientists in Argentina announced last year, prevented 100% of COVID-19 infections. “If you take it, you will not get sick,” an ivermectin-boosting physician told a Senate committee in December, describing it as a “wonder drug” and citing in part the trial “from Argentina.”…Hector Carvallo, a retired endocrinologist and professor of internal medicine at the University of Buenos Aires, 64, said the study was real. “We would never make up a study because it’s not ethical,” he told BuzzFeed News. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/stephaniemlee/ivermectin-covid-study-suspect-data
        …………………………………………..

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          Forrest Gardener

          Be careful with day to day changes on worldometer. Apparently the virus takes the weekend off and catches up on weekdays.

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    I just read in the other “open thread” about the frigo blindness in France where little boxs are victims of. 😀
    But what’s strange in France is the mobbing of 2010 born children
    France puzzles over bullying against children born in 2010

    The hashtag # Anti2010 is directed against children born in 2010. The phenomenon must be taken very seriously, said the chairman of the association E-enfance for the protection of children on the Internet, Justine Atlan, the French broadcaster France Info on Friday.

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      yarpos

      Saw another interesting comparison of Israel vs Sweden over at Zerohedge (taking a breather from doom porn apparently)

      Pfizer is starting to look worse than useless

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      I just added my 2 cents there, good overview there, thx

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      FarmerDoug2

      Suspect the data between Indian states is going to get unreliable. Ivermectin will leak between states and not be recorded. Rick will record undocumented success as heard immunity.
      A simmilar situation is happening here. My neighbour users “pour on” rather carelessly and it would not be hard t o add a few drops out of the syringe to your smoko mug.
      Maybe rare and isolated but there is lots of ways and the TGA will not know.
      The media likes to report IVM overdoses. If there are a few nincompoops about there will be lots more that can be sensible. It would be much better if people could get reliable medical advise.
      Doug

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        Kalm Keith

        An interesting point. The underground covid railway in action.

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        Hasbeen

        If there are overdoses that is down to people knowing damn well they need Ivermectin, but not allowed to have it due to government intransigence. If it was available overseen by doctors, no overdoses would occur.

        There is some evidence the resistance is due to the fact that the emergency approval of the vaccines would not be allowed if there was a recognised treatment available.

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          Obviously Ivermectin should be supervised by doctors, and because it is such a safe drug it would be unlikely to be a problem.

          Though prescriptions themselves are no guarantee of safety: about 14,000 people die in the US from legally prescribed opioides each year. https://www.drugabuse.gov/drug-topics/trends-statistics/overdose-death-rates.

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            Ross

            Initially yes Jo. But after that there is no reason why people shouldn’t be able to purchase things like Ziverdo kits or IVM tabs etc OTC. People buy Codral and Sudafed over the counter to combat flus and colds. The actives in those products (from a tox point of view) are way more harmful than IVM. We DONT want people turning up at GP’s and hospitals with COVID. Allow people to self diagnose with rapid antigen tests (RAT’s) and then treat themselves. We are adults after all. We need less government interference.

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              Serp

              That was answered a long time ago by ScoMo when he explained the hand of government must be present at all testing; people aren’t to sneak off and do their own thing out of sight of health bureaucracy.

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            LOL l’m glad you are keeping things in perspective here Jo LOL

            because Ivermectin has proven to be a true early treatment for the Wu Flu big pharma and big government has decided to do whatever it can to muddy the waters in regards to its effectiveness and how dangerous it is
            an overdose of Ivermectin apparently may cause nausea, vomiting and diarrhea, you would also need to be taking a hell of a lot more than the recommended dosage
            what l find interesting is the fear the salesman is able to install in the sheeple about a drug that is as you said safe, its about the EUA not health, purely political

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              PeterS

              Indeed it’s political. Overdosing on many other things, such as aspirin and panadol can also be dangerous yet they are not prevented form being prescribed by the doctor. Clearly the reason for the ban has nothing to do with the dangers of using the treatment.

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            David A

            Ivermectin should Linley be over the counter. It is incredibly safe. People were give 20 times the dose with no problems. Ivermectin is safer then water. It can kill, at 200 times recommended dosage. 200 quarts of water will kill you much quicker

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      David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

      Thanks Another Ian,
      Great article, but this surprised me:

      “India’s rollout of Ivermectin was due to pressure from the World Health Organization to approve more alternative COVID-19 prevention methods.”

      The WHO did what?? I thought the opposite was true.

      Could it be that they are trying to do the right thing after all? Maybe more cover up from MSM?

      I’m confused. Is there anything you’ve seen which can clarify this for me?

      Cheers
      Dave B

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      BruceC

      Couple of interesting graphs to have a look at.

      Share of people vaccinated against COVID-19 Sept 17
      Malta – 81% fully vaxxed (World’s highest)
      Israel – 63% fully vaxxed
      USA – 54% fully vaxxed
      Australia – 36% fully vaxxed
      India – 14% fully vaxxed

      LINK

      Daily new confirmed COVID-19 cases per million people – Sept 17 (guess which country has the lowest cases per 1M):

      LINK

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        RickWill

        Achieved relatively quickly but at an extremely high cost in terms of human life and suffering:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWP5_3-gres
        The delta wave tore through India with horrifying consequence.

        And that experience has given all Indians a strong desire to get vaccinated:
        https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-56345591

        India aims to vaccinate all eligible Indians by the end of 2021 but experts say the drive needs to pick up a consistent pace to meet the target.
        It has so far given more than 790 million doses of three approved jabs.

        No matter how you look at it, 790M jabs is a big number but still are long way off 2.5bn needed to double jab every Indian. But that is their target by the end of 2021.

        There are two ways to acquire herd immunity. Those who can get vaccinated. Those who cannot rely on natural immunity and that comes at very high risk for Covid as India experienced.

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          David A

          All Indians a strong desire to get vaccinated.

          Nope, I work with two charity organizations in India. Right now all Indians have a strong desire for Ivermectin, and a strong desire to hang those that prevented its use

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            RickWill

            740M jabs across 590M people clearly demonstrates there is no vaccine hesitancy.

            Why would people choose an antiviral of low efficacy when they can have a high efficacy vaccine.

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              David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

              G’day R W,
              You’ve mixed up your highs and lows.
              Cheers
              Dave B

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              David A

              15 percent double vaccinated is not a high number.
              If India continues the vaccination it will be an unmitigated disaster.
              I guarantee you that now al people want Ivermectin, and want people like you, anti Ivermectin, they want those people that were anti Ivermectin and had power, fortunately you do not, they want them hanged.

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    Yonniestone.

    Looking at a bigger picture perhaps the countries that align with Western values are dropping plans for future energy production as they don’t anticipate having the populations required to use it?

    The major Democracy/republic led countries seem to be busy crushing economies and its people with lockdowns and bastardizations of their laws in the guise of keeping everyone safe from an influenza, add in the mandating of experimental medicines with highly questionable qualities and you end up with a near empty country with plenty of existing power infrastructure for the correct number of incoming workforce.

    We have all seen the intentions of environmental extremism over the years and we shouldn’t be pretending whats occurring now isn’t part of it.

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      Kalm Keith

      Right on target.
      🙂

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      el+gordo

      Environmental extremism and Covid hysteria have nothing in common.

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        Graeme No.3

        Except the people involved.

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          David A

          and the same political goals.

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            Yonnie gives them credit for far too much foresight. As if most “have a plan” reaching further than impressing their friends at dinner next Saturday.

            No doubt there are a few psychopaths who want to cull the herd, but are they seriously going to care less whether they are overcatering the electricity generation? Would that factor in their powergames? Hardly…

            Occams razor begs. Innumerate short term thinkers looking for profit or status have destroyed the grid by accident, but aided and abetted by foreign interests who want to weaken the West Eg China / Russia etc. I’d be prepared to accept that it was the foreign interests who were aided and abetted by innumerate self-serving locals.

            Beware confirmation bias.

            The kind of people who want the population to decline are not the kind that care whether the plebians have electricity or whether the grid has “too much supply”.

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              David A

              There are always “ useful idiots” that cooperated with statist ideology.
              EM Smith commented yesterday, politicians are not generally stupid people, so malice or evil is often involved. I think the kind of people that want the population to decline are exactly the kind of people that want society to fail. Dozens of quotes are available.

              The book “Blue Planet in Green Shackles” by the former President of the Czech Republic; Vaclav Klaus is excellent at pointing out the globalist goals of the Elites.

              It is actually very well documented and as mentioned, books have been written about it

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              Yonniestone.

              Jo I know WA has been virtually free of lockdowns and mask mandates with commerce ticking along ok but here its a very different story, we have a continuous destruction of society as we knew it all in the name of protection from a virus with a 99% recovery rate, here in Ballarat (in lockdown since Wednesday) I personally see businesses closing for ever or getting closer to it, our police have become a political security arm for politicians that override written laws with freedom crushing mandates and the forced participation in experimental medications.

              Forgive me for sounding like a conspiracy nutjob but at what point do we think this isn’t good for our welfare anymore and why has the same covid playbook being used globally?

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                Serp

                Not forgetting the fear of fourteen day lockdown should you have the russian roulette Tier One kick in from a QR login; my ninety-eight year old mother is deeply appalled to learn that people shopping for her are being subjected to that sort of stress.

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              MP

              They don’t really care about us. The prison version.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1pqi8vjTLY

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              Richard+Ilfeld

              One of the things that terrifies me is the soft brained low level political type, like about half of our congress critters, who will go along with extreme measures such as “banning gasoline cars” or “being carbon neutral by 2030” because they are getting cocktail party attaboys, and are confident that in the real world these things will no more happen than speed limits or jaywalking laws being strictly enforced, or college grades being strictly given on the curve. They are wealthy and have lived their lives in a safety bubble, and the version of “history” they were taught is replete with fear for capitalism, and void of the consequences of putting authoritarians in charge of an otherwise usable legal system. The outrages of the last 2 decades like Chavez have been fully sanitized in their minds (US corporate exploitation, ya know); and the worl that was illuminated for previous generations based on literature and film and been replaced by a culture entirely based on comic books. We have a few venal, clever folks at the top, and an ‘electorate’ that has now become 55-60% dependant; the goal since the days of Wilson in the US and the avowed socialists in the rest of the anglosphere forever.
              We are hiving into Tribalism. Perhaps some tribes will be successful and lead us back to civilization.

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        Yonniestone

        Yeah like the way followers of fanatical compliance to ineffective directives have nothing to do with the green zealots that have insisted for decades the earth will be a scorched wasteland in a few years.

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        el+gordo

        The Green zealots have had a disproportionate impact on Western thought, but a change in the climate is overdue and a lot of recanting is on the cards. As it stands the Greens are embarrassed by China’s emissions output which dwarfs the rest of the world, yet the party line remains focussed on per capita emissions. Even blind Freddy can see this is a con.

        https://www.economicshelp.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/co2-emissions-per-capita.png

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          David A

          The evidence against CAGW is almost as strong as the evidence for Ivermectin.

          This only makes a statist double down.

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            el+gordo

            Circumstantial evidence supports AGW and Ivermectin still requires closer analysis.

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              David A

              There is always a problem when the C is left out of CAGW.
              Actually the C is MIA , the A is moderate at best, the mild GW is mostly beneficial and not global

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                el+gordo

                Australia is heading into wetter conditions, floods are forecast for summer. This is good news going into Glasgow, our carbon sink will be working overtime, might corner the market in carbon credits.

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              Gerry

              When you’re dying the thing that gets the close analysis is your breath, not the quality of research

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              clarence.t

              Circumstantial evidence supports AGW

              No, it doesn’t !

              Only fantasies, fairy tales and low-end computer games, support AGW.

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                Serp

                Best ignored when he puts on one of these turns, he’ll only do more of it.

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                el+gordo

                It could have been better said. Circumstantial evidence props up CAGW, but all of us here know its a fallacy, a facade ready to fall apart.

                Nevertheless, until temperatures fall the authorities won’t believe global cooling is possible.

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                el+gordo

                World temperature has to fall below the line and stay flat for a few years in order to win the argument.

                https://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_August_2021_v6.jpg

                ENSO is a major player, now we have to find a physical connection with the sun.

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                El+, I think even that won’t win the argument. They are all set to blame the cooling on the warming; “ The warming caused the Gulf Stream to shut down” or any other half cocked idea they can dress up in peer reviewed robes. CAGW cannot be falsified.

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                el+gordo

                Strongly disagree, ENSO is the temperature control knob and the Gulf Stream won’t be closing down anytime soon.

                In the short term all we have to do is find a definitive link between solar activity and the earth’s oceans. Downward propagation and fluid dynamics expressed through oscillation behaviour.

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                El, I agree with you disagreeing. Sea levels were 1 to 2 meters higher within the Holocene, the earth was warmer then now, and the Gulf Stream did not shut down.

                However never ever expect political ideology driven “science” to let truth get in the way of a good story.

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    Travis T. Jones

    Interesting questions here:

    “. Did the regulators at the FDA know that previous Coronavirus vaccines had failed in animal trials and that the vaccinated animals became severely ill or died?

    – Yes they did.

    . Did the drug companies conduct any animal trials prior to to the FDA’s approval that would have convinced a reasonable person that the vaccines were safe for humans?

    – No they didn’t.

    . Did they conduct any bio distribution studies that showed where the substance in the injection goes in the body?

    – They did, but the data was not made available to the public.”

    Many more reasonable questions and answers at link:

    The conspiracy theorists were right: it is a “poison-death shot.”

    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/09/no_author/the-conspiracy-theorists-were-right-it-is-a-poison-death-shot/

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      Tides of Mudgee

      Travis, what a powerful article. The end paragraph is something I’ve been thinking for many many months. So no matter how hard they try to convince governments of the efficacy of anti-virals, that’s not to be on the agenda. May something, somehow, stop this long slow march to oblivion. Thanks ToM.

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      Lucky

      That Lew Rockwell article is very interesting, very anti-vaccination, justified by the facts presented. The case that the result was planned and deliberate however has not been shown.

      Many questions, just two for now-
      To what extent does the criticism apply only to the mRNA type?
      Malta, 68% of vaxes are the Pfizer mRNA. 35.2% of total population have one jab or more. 15.2% have 2 jabs. (independent.com.mt) Yet unlike other highly vaxxed nations no disaster, yet. -to 12Sep2021. Does this prove anything?

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        Always go a graphic on WHEN the vaccine program there started. Compare to Israel and look for some initial spike then 5 to six months of waning success. It is a fairly universal pattern.

        BTW how badly do you think the governments want their Covid policy to be seen as successful? And if seen by the population as a failure that killed many, what may happen then? So my policy is don’t trust and verify.

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          Lucky

          OK. so maybe the good results from Malta are from:

          -the vax works for them, or

          -the vax program is recent with a late start, in 5-6 months after start expect noticeable case/death increases, or 3rd shot boosters. After that, side effects of the vaxes become more apparent, something not yet known.

          Another explanation, government have complete control of data and suppress bad outcomes.

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    Old Moss

    More on the Uttar Pradesh ivermectin miracle: https://newsrescue.com/the-undeniable-ivermectin-miracle-indias-240m-populated-largest-state-uttar-pradesh-horowitz/

    This astonishing result should educate the world. I’m sure Scott Morrison and our medical establishment will rush to congratulate Uttar Pradesh, learn from their experience and implement how they did it.
    Scott is very interested in limiting the ruin from covid, and he is after all a good global citizen. And, gee, what a relief this news must be for Dan and Gladys …

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    Old Moss

    Incidentally, the vaccination rate in Uttar Pradesh is 4.8%

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      RickWill

      the vaccination rate in Uttar Pradesh is 4.8%

      The statement may have been true 2 months ago but it is way off the mark now. UP has a highly motivated vaccination program – exactly what would be expected with the number of deaths experienced:
      https://sg.news.yahoo.com/covid-19-vaccination-uttar-pradesh-113427363.html

      Lucknow, September 15: COVID-19 vaccination has crossed nine crore-mark in Uttar Pradesh on Wednesday. Additional Chief Secretary of the UP government, Navneet Sehgal, gave the information through a tweet. In his tweet, Sehgal also shared an age-wise graphical representaion of people, who received COVID-19 vaccines.

      Indians clearly recognise the need for vaccination to allow their economy to recover. Ivermectin is a stopgap treatment of limited success. Vaccines are at least an order of magnitude more effective in reducing serious illness leading to death.

      Australia is in the enviable position of being able to sit on its backside and wait till enough people are vaccinated to ensure the infection rate will be under 1 once mobility increases. Initially India was beating people to keep them from moving about but seeing Covid corpses in the street provided a powerful incentive for people to reduce contact with others.

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        Australia WAS in the enviable position where it could wait for foreign results in the experiment to do mass vax and see if it works.

        Thanks to Gladys and Scott, we threw that golden opportunity in a bonfire. Our two major states are in a long debilitiating lockdowns which could have been prevented by 1/ stronger borders, or 2/ Use of antivirals to reduce the spread and eliminate the virus.

        Which country on Earth has used vaccines to control this virus without ongoing long restrictions AND lots of deaths to achieve high natural immunity rates?

        I’m genuinely curious. I want vaccines to work, I just don’t see it.

        Perhaps second generation vaccines will work. But I doubt any vax will work without the use of mass antivirals.

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          the real question is which country has had success by using the experimental jabs?

          experts have proven we already have high natural immunity to the Wu Flu until you get the jab

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          RickWill

          Jo asked:

          Which country on Earth has used vaccines to control this virus without ongoing long restrictions AND lots of deaths to achieve high natural immunity rates?

          This is the list of countries with over 70% vaccinated:
          Gibraltar 117.0% fully vaccinated1.2% partially vaccinated
          Pitcairn 100.0% fully vaccinated0% partially vaccinated
          Portugal 81.8% fully vaccinated5.2% partially vaccinated
          Malta 81.2% fully vaccinated80% with antibodies by the time it opens up, they will acquire that level with natural immunity and that comes at a much higher cost than getting vaccinated.

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            RickWill

            The list was truncated:
            Gibraltar 117.0% fully vaccinated1.2% partially vaccinated
            Pitcairn 100.0% fully vaccinated0% partially vaccinated
            Portugal 81.8% fully vaccinated5.2% partially vaccinated
            Malta 81.2% fully vaccinated<1% partially vaccinated
            Iceland 79.8% fully vaccinated2.0% partially vaccinated
            United Arab Emirates 79.8% fully vaccinated10.9% partially vaccinated
            Singapore 77.1% fully vaccinated1.9% partially vaccinated
            Spain 76.5% fully vaccinated3.4% partially vaccinated
            Cayman Islands 75.8% fully vaccinated5.6% partially vaccinated
            Denmark 74.4% fully vaccinated2.0% partially vaccinated
            Isle of Man 74.3% fully vaccinated2.3% partially vaccinated
            Uruguay 73.4% fully vaccinated4.5% partially vaccinated
            Chile 72.9% fully vaccinated3.5% partially vaccinated
            Jersey 72.8% fully vaccinated3.2% partially vaccinated
            Faroe Islands 72.7% fully vaccinated3.9% partially vaccinated
            Ireland 71.8% fully vaccinated3.4% partially vaccinated
            San Marino 71.5% fully vaccinated0% partially vaccinated
            Belgium 71.3% fully vaccinated1.9% partially vaccinated

            The larger countries that have achieved high mobility through vaccinations are rather than combination of vaccination and natural immunity are:
            Qatar
            UAE
            Singapore
            Denmark

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                There’s a sensible explanation RickWill posted some weeks ago; I think it made sense at the time without needing to be vaccinating the dead or somewhat.

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              David A

              Rick forgot the “ without ongoing long restrictions AND lots of deaths to achieve high natural immunity rates?” portion of the statement.

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              Richard+Ilfeld

              And the United States, Outside of a Dozen large SMA’s that don’t function well in “normal” times,
              and California (ditto) hare simply resmued life.

              This may be a chimera – visibility is difficult, especially when the authorities wish too restrain it.

              Florida, US. Or Covid Death curve from Delta is essentially zero this week. We have some hospital load, but not an overload.
              There are masking arguments here and there. It is required at the Doctor’s office. This may become permanent, not an awful idea. They are spotty in public; and there are no longer daily stories of “mask rage”. Some do and some don’t.

              Our curve followed what would be a normal season flu curve. That does not bode well for the northeast, where their normal seasonal misery are just beginning, I think be cause the number of exploiters is much higher.

              Our state economy seems good; we have inflation which is a national problem but work and wages at normal levels. Traffic jams are where you’d expect them, school populations seem to be very close to 100%.

              After two cycles, we are living with the virus. Our elderly are perhaps more careful. Folks who work in that industry are being held to high standards. A lot of facilities had some remodeling.

              The biggest attention the the virus in daily life, however, is the weaponization against the governor of Florida by the President, which keeps it front page.

              There are certainly some changes we can’t see. There may be many more social interactions done virtually than before; but is this new, or an accelerate trend? The airport is certainly not as busy, and the lines at the theme parks are shorter (but with quick testing at the gate this may be guest selection?)

              Non-Blue-Urban is in getting on with life mode, as far as I can tell.

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            As you may have seen, to be near zero in new cases and deaths isn’t obviously not the result of “vaxxes” but of the use of Ivermectin, you may deny it as often as you want, it will not turn into truth. The “vaxx” truth you find in Israel, being out of the control of COV-19 despite a quiet high vaxx rate, or even because of ?? 😀
            The vaxxes are useless from the point of view “spread”.

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        Old Moss

        Hi RickWill, I quoted from the linked 15 Sept article. I see now that covid 19 India give the fully vaccinated rate as 7.2%
        The vaccines did not do that.

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          David A

          I read 15 percent, but regardless you are correct. The vaccines are failed and dangerous. My post about their dangers is in moderation all day. Ivermectin broke Covid. Vitamin D is a better vaccine then the failed experiments. ( about 91 percent of US dead had low vitamin D )
          Ivermectin is and will be effective against all variations of Covid. The China version is gone.

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          RickWill

          590M Indians have so far had at least one jab. There has been a total of 740M jabs. There is little vaccination hesitancy in India now after their second wave. Jabs are constrained by supply.

          India achieved herd immunity through millions of lives being lost. They actually ran short of wood to burn the bodies. There were bodies floating down the rivers. It was chaos and traumatic for those who survived it. The legacy is thousands of Covid orphans.

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    David Maddison

    China loves Greens (and the LibLabs). China gets to supply the neodymium magnets produced via a toxic mining and extraction process used in our economy-destroying windmills. It’s win-win-win-win for them:

    1) Sell expensive magnets.
    2) Destroy competing economies.
    3) Utilise Green-Labor-Liberals as Lenin’s useful idiots.
    4) Create jobs in China.

    Of course, the dominant solar panel production is also from China, a whole other story.

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    RickWill

    Covid has turned the corner globally. Infection rate now solidly under 1 at near normal mobility. Daily cases, on rolling weekly average, peaked at 661k on 27 August. Daily cases now down to 524k and falling fast:
    https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countries&highlight=Global&show=highlight-only&y=both&scale=linear&data=cases-daily-7&data-source=jhu&xaxis=right#countries
    The average mobility across the globe is only 7% below pre-Covid experience.

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      Mark Kaiser

      Covid has turned the corner globally. Infection rate now solidly under 1 at near normal mobility.

      Hope you’re right Rick Will.

      Except that we are 2 months from flu season in the Northern Hemisphere, which will coincide with the wearing off of the vaccine protection. Time will tell.

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    David Maddison

    The Australian Government is so utterly incompetent at all levels, Federal, State and Local, I am struggling to think of any decision they have ever made in recent decades that is objectively correct and reasonable.

    The only exception I can think of was the recent decision that was made to purchase nuclear submarines and even that was something obvious that should have been done decades ago but we still wasted money on the previous Oberon submarine puchase (that should have been nuclear) and then a further $2.6 billion to exit the absurd Turnbull inspired French submarine contract (with a 30 year delivery time for the last one).

    Even so, for the current nuclear purchase I think Australia will be doing well if we end up paying only three times what would be a reasonable price for the contract.

    Also, see how easy it was? There has been no massive protests about the nuclear subs, just from illiterate Greens.

    It makes you wonder who was more scared of “nuclear”, politicians or the people?

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      Peter C

      but we still wasted money on the previous Oberon submarine puchase (that should have been nuclear)

      I think you are referring to the Collins Class subs. Collins Subs were an enlarged version of the Kockums Type 471. They had a lot of problems initially.

      The “O” boats were British and were outstanding submarines for their ime.

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    RickWill

    UK also appears to be heading in the right direction. Daily cases now down to 29k from the post “Freedom” peak of 47k.
    https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countries&highlight=United%20Kingdom&show=highlight-only&y=both&scale=linear&data=cases-daily-7&data-source=jhu&xaxis=right#countries

    Like the USA, Covid is now a pandemic among the unvaccinated in the UK:
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/covid-vaccine-deaths-coronavirus-cases-b1919002.html

    There have been only 256 deaths with coronavirus among people in England who were fully vaccinated in the first six months of the year, out of a total of 51,281 Covid deaths, new data has revealed.

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      UK Serology showed 40% of young people already have antibodies to Covid. That’s a massive natural protection program but it came at the cost of tens of thousands of lives — mostly older.

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        David A

        and completely unnecessary. All waves decline. How do we know this is the last wave? A large portion of the vaccinated have yet to fall beyond the vaccine six month failure mark.
        Northern Hemisphere vitamin D levels will be dropping starting in October.

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        what you have said above is hyperbolic and IMHO scaremongering Jo
        Microbiologist Dr Bhakdi explains in this video how our already natural immunity works against the Wu Flu without having to kill anyone, its up to you to open your eyes nobody else can do it for you
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQj-Msr9jn0
        the Wu Flu is not an automatic death sentence and should not be feared as such or used to create fear
        it is still a problem for people with several comorbidities but to the majority it is a Flu
        this utube video has been taken down a couple of times so be quick to watch it
        its not the narrative big pharma wants out there

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          Serp

          I wish he’d saved me the effort of a very long search, so far unfulfilled, finding these papers by having written the links to them on his whiteboard.

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      David A

      Complete nonsense Rick

      BTW ivermectin versus remdesivir trial.

      Ivermectin arm:

      Delhi : ¯ 97% [28,395 to 956]

      vs.

      Remdesivir arm

      Tamil Nadu ­ 173% [10,986 to 30,016]

      The medical expert decider in Tamil Nadu ignored the national recommendations and decided to stockpile remdesivir, the $3000+ hospital treatment pushed by Fauci and US FDA and shun the 3 cent per dose generic ivermectin.

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      Mark Kaiser

      There have been only 256 deaths with coronavirus among people in England who were fully vaccinated in the first six months of the year, out of a total of 51,281 Covid deaths, new data has revealed.

      That’s GIGO Rick Will. We have the same garbage stats here in Canada.

      From Jan 01 to Mar 01 45,000 deaths were recorded in the U.K. (Worldometer)
      At March 01 only 600k out of 56 million had been fully vaccinated. (1%)
      https://www.england.nhs.uk/statistics/statistical-work-areas/covid-19-vaccinations/covid-19-vaccinations-archive/

      So the majority of unvaccinated deaths came when NOBODY was vaccinated.

      Show me the stats for JUST August, then we’ll talk.

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    RickWill

    Spain continues its impressive progression toward herd immunity:
    https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countries&highlight=Spain&show=highlight-only&y=both&scale=linear&data=cases-daily-7&data-source=jhu&xaxis=right#countries
    Peak of the post vaccination wave was 26k daily cases on 27 July. Now down to 3k with mobility just 9% down on pre-Covid level.

    Spain has moved back into face-to-face teaching. That will create a serious test for the efficacy of the vaccination:
    https://www.msn.com/en-gb/health/medical/return-to-normal-uncertain-in-spain-as-covid-cases-fall-vaccination-advances-and-delta-variant-circulates/ar-AAOfliy

    The return to work and to school this week in Spain got going subject to two forces that are pulling the epidemiological curve in two directions. The delta variant of the coronavirus, which is much more contagious than previous strains, is pulling it upward, having muscled in to account for practically all cases in the country this summer. Meanwhile, the vaccination campaign is pushing it down, thanks to more than 73% of the population now having the full protection offered by the shots, together with the natural immunity of those who have had Covid-19.

    Although only 73% of Spaniards have been vaccinated, there are a large number with natural immunity. The proportion of the population carrying Covid antibodies will be well over 80%.

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      David A

      Vaccines are incapable of herd immunity as after six months the sterilizing antibodies drop below effective levels. How they will respond to new infection is unknown as we are the experiments. However every single coronavirus vaccine tried on animals failed. Do you have any long term testing for your crystal ball predictions. Whatever they are, they are not science.

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    OldOzzie

    If there’s one picture that could depict Australia.. it’s these two police officers double pepper spraying a 74 year old lady after violently throwing her to the ground.

    Lady in her 60’s..
    No threat to anyone
    Not in the main protest group.
    Behind the police, with photographers
    She did not deserve this.
    [email protected]@k my country

    VicStasi “We Stand with Dan” at work – note CFMEU able to block city streets for Tea Party no action by VicStasi

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      David Maddison

      As Supreme Commander Andrews would say, this is “Covid Normal” or “The New Normal”.

      Australia is now a dictatorship with some of the harshest Covid restrictions in the world and the biggest penalties for breaches.

      It is extremely unlikely to return to how it used to be as politicians on both sides more or less support the measures. Plus, there will always be infections going about such as cold or flu. Flu can kill up to 3000 Australians per year so that will justify restrictions when that re-emerges.

      Australia should be a lesson to free countries as to how rapidly freedom nd democracy can be lost in a nominally free, liberal Western democracy.

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        Tilba+Tilba

        Australia should be a lesson to free countries as to how rapidly freedom and democracy can be lost in a nominally free, liberal Western democracy.

        Australia (including Victoria) remains a liberal Western democracy. If a majority of electors disagree with Daniel Andrews then they can vote him out and vote in someone who has a different approach to dealing with a public health emergency.

        We have lockdowns and other measures for very good reasons. You might not like them (who would?), but we do remains a liberal Western democracy.

        And say what you will about the Premier, he just hosted a media conference for about two hours, and his capacity to answer every question unscripted is very impressive. He is a former Minister of Health, and he is hugely on top of the Covid-19 issues.

        Anyway – he released the Victorian Road Map – getting the place opened up in incremental steps between 1 October and Christmas. The modelling he is employing (Burnett) is pretty sobering – some very high infection and especially hospitalisation numbers. But he is optimistic that the light at the end of the tunnel is there – with 70%-80% vaccination rates.

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      RightOverLabour

      I hope that cop sleeps well, at least for now, there will be consequences, that video will never go away….

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        David Maddison

        I think the “police officer” will sleep very well.

        I sense a great cultural change in Australian policing.

        The police see “the people” as the “enemy of the state”. They are not loyal to the people but are the private army of whatever oligarch is currently in power such as lead by Andrews in Victoria or Berejiklian in NSW.

        Police are encouraged to use “shock and awe” tactics as first instructed by Victoria Chief Health Officer Sutton. In other words, extreme aggression and violence. Other police throughout Australia have followed. The police have lost all respect of regular, law abiding people who once viewed the police as their friends.

        Australia is no longer the nation of the “fair go” or non-corrupt government, courts or the public service. Individual freedom and rights are no longer seen as desirable or acceptable.

        Australia is rapidly going the way of Venezuela.

        It’s all abput “fighting the virus”, you know.

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          Tilba+Tilba

          Australia is no longer the nation of the “fair go” or non-corrupt government, courts or the public service. Individual freedom and rights are no longer seen as desirable or acceptable.

          Australian governance has had an awful lot of corruption – going all the way back to the founding of Sydney and the Rum Corp. There is a very “colourful” history for over 200 years. Our police forces haven’t been squeaky clean either, to say the least.

          Apart from South Australia, the whole country was founded as a open prison … we have a long culture of systemic oppression and harsh governments to be proud of!

          And while nobody wants to see violent demonstrations – it was obvious that a lot of the “protestors” on Saturday were either there to be deliberate provocateurs (for whatever wild-eyed reasons) – or they are just yobbos, hoons, and louts. Young angry men who really do need to grow a brain.

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      Forrest Gardener

      I saw that video. The lady appeared to be standing her ground against a police charge. What is not clear is whether police declared a riot and whether the police charge was properly authorised. They certainly do not have a standing power to form a human battering ram and charge even into an assembly, even an unlwaful assembly. She may well have a case for assault by the police.

      Once again I wonder what the powers that be controlling the police were thinking. I wonder what this police hyper-agression will do for police morale. The law of natural consequences deserves greater attention.

      On the other hand there are no doubt thugs in the crowd intent on violence. Hopefully they have been identified and were among the arrested.

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        Tilba+Tilba

        Everyone there to protest was contravening the standing public health orders in place – maximum travel of 5 km, and only for 4-5 specific essential purposes. Obviously it was not authorised or permitted.

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          John+R+Smith

          If only the Democrat politicians of Alabama and Mississippi had thought of creating ‘public health orders’
          in the early 1960’s, the Civil Rights movement could have been stopped.
          Travel restrictions can really cut down on ‘outside agitators’ at protests.
          Protests that are not ‘authorized and permitted’ by the governments they target, are illegitimate.
          Your understanding of history is excellent.

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            Tilba+Tilba

            Travel restrictions can really cut down on ‘outside agitators’ at protests.
            Protests that are not ‘authorized and permitted’ by the governments they target, are illegitimate. Your understanding of history is excellent.

            Thank you – my understanding of history is indeed excellent. None of your point are invalid especially, but I was responding specifically to the question about why the police didn’t just baby-sit the demonstration, rather than take on the protestors.

            I was too young for the Civil Rights Movement, but I did cut my teeth on many demonstrations against the Vietnam War, Nuclear Armaments, Environment Issues (Franklyn Dam, etc), Aboriginal Land Rights, Gay Rights, Women’s Liberation, Anti-Apartheid in South Africa, Abortion Rights, preserving historical buildings in Sydney, even Save the Whale.

            It’s a long list, and a lot of them were pretty chaotic, with a fair amount of push & shove. Cops had horses in those days. Demonstrations can be effective in changing politics and policies, as a form of civil disobedience.

            But the anti-lockdown protests are low-rent – on about the same stupidity level as storming the US Capitol, and people by the same types, so pointless violence is almost inevitable.

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              clarence.t

              “so pointless violence is almost inevitable.”

              Yep, as soon as the police started in ..

              That is where the violence came from, not from the protesters

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          Forrest Gardener

          I rarely respond to the likes of TT, but none of what you wrote carries any weight. Read what I wrote again including the words “unlawful assembly”.

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        robert rosicka

        There is another video of some guy running being chased by about a dozen cops and after a while the guy gives up stops and puts his hands in the air only to receive a nasty beating by the cops who weren’t gasping for air from the chase .

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          Serp

          They’re shown photos at the muster and hunt those people down and crack them; it’s been done the same at least since the late 1960s when anti conscription had kicked off to feed the Vietnam machine; the woman who was pushed to the ground and then sprayed with shaving foam seemed to have been recognised by the one who floored her.

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        “On the other hand there are no doubt thugs in the crowd intent on violence. Hopefully they have been identified and were among the arrested.”

        the thugs were the police Forrest, LOL, the crowd backed off and were being corralled by the police,
        show a link to where anyone at that time was aggressive to the police?
        l dont really give a rats about the poor police moral at all, they are all complicit
        after their abhorrent behaviour they deserve no empathy from anyone, not one of them was man enough to stand down and take care of the injured woman who looked like she did not know where to go but if you watch the several video’s of that moment when the elderly lady was violently pushed over, then as she lay obviously in pain and incapacitated she was sprayed directly into the face by two policescum it spurred the crowd into action against them and the protesters broke through the line of kettling police,
        if these police were my sons l would disown them they should be ashamed of themselves, all of them
        the capsicum spray is supposed to be used as a defence not for attacking

        “the world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do bad things, but because of those who look on and do nothing” Albert Einstein

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          Forrest Gardener

          Yeah but, no but, yeah but, no but …

          There are always thugs in any police control action. There are always agitators in a protest.

          The big question is whether the police will take disciplinary action against those who clearly used unreasonable force. And there were clear examples of grossly excessive force. In fact it appeared that those commanding the police were hell bent of using grossly excessive force.

          And the police standard for force is to maintain public safety. I say the commanders have questions to answer.

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            l’m not going to hold my breath waiting for the police to take disciplinary action against those who used unreasonable force Forrest and l dont think you will either, what a joke LOL

            and until the MSM turns around and starts reporting this truthfully there will be no change

            the police are trained for these actions and have weapons to use in self defence against any of the unarmed protestors who become agitators
            anyone feeling sorry for the Vicdanistan police or thinking the police are just retaliating are fooling themselves, the police are the agitators
            although l have seen footage of police being smacked in the back of the head by there boss and dragged back into the line while being screamed at for standing down LOL
            the more the police use these dirty underhanded actions this will only get worse for them IMHO

            but they will happily march with BLM and take the knee for it ROFLMAO

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      Single+Malt

      Pre-Covid I travelled abroad a bit for the first time – UK and USA to be precise. Whenever people heard my accent or asked where I was from, I used to be quite proud to say ‘Australian’. I was always treated as someone from a lucky place; I’d say most were envious. I boasted about our way of life, and it was often remarked how ‘laid back’ we were. Many wished they were, in fact, Australian.
      Turn the clock forward a couple of years and I am now ashamed of this country, really ashamed. Grubs like Dan Andrews have taken everything good about this country and turned us into nothing better than an Eastern European gulag from the 1970’s. I used to respect and admire cops – I now looks upon them as the enemy. I admired, although didn’t necessarily agree with, leaders like Hawke and Howard. Who now? Morrison and Albanese are two spineless, uninspiring dolts without the first clue about how to push this country forward. It would be difficult if you really tried to assemble a greater bunch of moronic hand-puppets than those leading our states (and ergo the country it seems) than the eight we have been burdened with in 2021.
      With a bit of luck I’ve got 30 good years left on this earth and, I never thought in a million years I would say it, but I do not want to spend it here.
      As a country, our best days are well and truly behind us.
      I’m on the lookout for the next ‘Australia’. Any suggestions?

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        Bill Burrows

        As the story goes – In the 1930s a European businessman who had fought in WWI could see the repeat conflagration coming. So he resolved to search for the safest place in the world to transplant himself and his young family. It took several years of intense and even more urgent searching. But finally he settled on a beautiful island in the South Pacific and moved his family there in mid 1939. His island haven was called – Guadalcanal!

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          Graeme No.3

          The version I heard was that he was Dutch, and convinced that the Germans would invade The Netherlands this time. Also that it would be a World War so he went to the furthest and most obscure place “that no-one had heard of”.
          It does seem that he was a real person, owned a coconut plantation and was evacuated when (or just before) the Japanese invaded the island.

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        MP

        Here’s a suggestion, stand up and push back, do not rely on others to fight your fight, mass non compliance, just say no.
        Find a stand in the park group in your area, https://astandinthepark.org/
        There are a lot of differing views in our group, some out there stuff, but they stand every week, attend every rally with our yellow vests. Some drive for hours every week to attend and we get many grey nomads pulling up and having a chat, thanking us for standing up for them. Had a couple from Cooktown on Sunday, stoped to fill their water containers, 4 hours latter they were going to form their own group, but we found it was already happening there.
        Our rallies indigenous content has increased hundreds of percent, they now speak at our rallies. Some of these are whom we used to refer to as “the park people” whom our governments have spent their entire lives destroying. To see the look on their faces after they speak and the applause they get when people listen to their views, is golden. We stand with them, they stand with us.
        You do not need to stand in the front and chant, standing is enough. There are those of us whom have offered to be cannon fodder if it ever comes to that for us.

        I attend Cairns rallies, this has now become the largest group per capita in Aus. It is a totally a non violent movement.

        We will not sit down, we will not shut up, we will not comply.

        These groups are totally organic, self funded through themselves, we print signs for our local shops for non discrimination policies, T shirts, vests, all at cost or free to those whom can’t afford it.

        I do this because I do not know what else to do, but I am all in to whatever conclusion eventuates. I hope we win, but we will not be handing over our country to this pack of criminals without a fight.

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      Serp

      The length of the Daniel Andrews press conferences is inexorably growing such that by pre-election next year he’ll have the beard and be delivering Castro style diatribes lasting hours.

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      Gary Simpson

      Those low-lifes may as well have spat on the Australian flag she was wearing. Disgraceful and now the lowest point has been reached.

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    Brenda Spence

    Here’s a thought

    “There are a number of reasons to explain the intense push from the Biden administration and the government medical bureaucracy to get people to take the COVID vaccine.  From a wide search of the information available, I find it hard to believe that the actual health of people is one of the reasons.

    For example, why demand that people with natural immunity get vaccinated?  And why insist on vaccinating children when their risk of serious effects from the virus is minuscule?  It makes no scientific sense, especially when the vaccine itself can cause serious health issues for the young.

    This brings up one of the less talked about reasons behind the vaccination mania.  It’s to eliminate a possible control group of non-vaccinated people to which the vaccinated can be compared.  Let me explain.”

    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/09/one_reason_for_the_push_for_covid_vaccination_may_be_to_eliminate_a_possible_control_group.html

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      RickWill

      You need to consider public health and herd immunity.

      Herd immunity is achieved when each contagious person infects less than one other person. Once the infection rate is under 1, herd immunity will be acquired over time as the virus is eradicated. If a stray with the virus comes into the herd, they may pass the virus on but those getting it will not pass it on to more than 1 other; on average.

      Vaccinated people can carry the virus and pass it on but they are not infectious for very long so the number of people exposed is lower. The vaccine also reduces the risk of the virus actually taking hold – typical 16% reduction for the current Covid vaccines.

      Right now 85% of the people in NSW hospitals are under 50 – complete contrast to 2020. The reason being is that more than 90% of the over 50s have been vaccinated. There are a significant number of children under 10 in hospital. Sure children are less likely to die but that does not mean a large number actually end up in hospital. When parents get ill, they are very likely to pass it on to children and the parents are often not in a state to look after the children. So child carers are then exposed.

      People who get very ill expose all the carers involved in their treatment as well as all the people they contact prior to being carted to hospital then paramedics, emergency department, Covid ward and ICUs.

      Spain provides a very good example of managing their way out of the Covid delta with vaccinations and some natural immunity:
      https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countries&highlight=Spain&show=highlight-only&y=both&scale=linear&data=cases-daily-7&data-source=jhu&xaxis=right#countries
      They have an infection rate well under 1 with mobility 9% below pre-Covid days.

      Getting vaccinated is a public good. You do it for the sake of the community. Right now it is not possible to predict how Covid will affect an individual. On balance there will be enough in a bad way to impair the medical care system if mobility is increased with the infection rate above 1.

      Most sensible unvaccinated people will not want to be out and about so the idea of vaccination passports is not particularly useful. On the other hand if someone earns a living requiring contact with others then they have a community duty to get vaccinated.

      Vaccinations are about public health by achieving herd immunity.

      The infection rate globally is now under 1 so the delta strain is on its way out with mobility almost at normal level – just 7% down:
      https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countries&highlight=Global&show=highlight-only&y=both&scale=linear&data=cases-daily-7&data-source=jhu&xaxis=right#countries
      Covid is on its way out; at least the delta strain. Chicken pox has a basic reproduction rate of 10; more than twice the Covid delta strain. So we can only hope that Covid does not morph into something that contagious before it is eradicated.

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        Tilba+Tilba

        Most sensible unvaccinated people will not want to be out and about so the idea of vaccination passports is not particularly useful. On the other hand if someone earns a living requiring contact with others then they have a community duty to get vaccinated.

        I’m not sure the recalcitrant unvaccinated are going to be that civic-minded at all. And in respect of vaccine passports, I think it is useful indeed. Businesses will be required to only permit vaccinated patrons to enter … the businesses won’t have a choice in the matter. And their staff will face mandatory vaccination (bar staff and waitstaff, etc).

        It is measures such as this that will allow opening up.

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          clarence.t

          No, all it will do is enhance the spread of mutations..

          … you know, the ones infecting large numbers of doublevax in Israel and other places.

          Infection load can be as high or higher in the doublevax

          Better to stay around the unvaccinated, at least you know when they are likely to be spreaders.

          Interesting that leftists always like to use the word “mandated”..

          All part of marxist totalitarianism.

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        John+R+Smith

        Wow, you’re working pretty hard there. Very pro list of talking points. Have you worked in PR?

        “Getting vaccinated is a public good. You do it for the sake of the community. Right now it is not possible to predict how Covid will affect an individual. On balance there will be enough in a bad way to impair the medical care system if mobility is increased with the infection rate above 1.’

        Is it possible to predict to predict how the vax will affect an individual? Convenient how ‘science’ is so precise in some places and not so much in others.

        “So we can only hope that Covid does not morph into something that contagious (like C pox) before it is eradicated.”

        ‘Eradicated’ … hmm?
        Rest assured, it will morph into something.

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        bobby b

        “Vaccinated people can carry the virus and pass it on but they are not infectious for very long . . .”

        This doesn’t seem to reflect the current state of the science.

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      Forrest Gardener

      Thanks Brenda. That sort of possibility just does my head in. As does the fact that one of the major injection manufacturers failed to maintain their control group.

      I hope the medical research currently underway in Israel bears fruit.

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      OldOzzie

      During the “open session” part of the meeting, dissenting doctors questioning the Pfizer shots were given a chance to address the public with their concerns, and they presented to the public REAL data about the shots that up until now has been heavily censored.

      Dr. Joseph Fraiman, an emergency room physician from New Orleans who did his studies at Cornell Medical School, stated that there are no trials large enough yet to prove that the COVID-19 vaccines reduce hospitalization without causing serious harm.

      He lamented the fact that the “vaccine hesitant” coming into his emergency room were more educated on the risks of the COVID-19 vaccine than those vaccinated.

      I know many think that vaccine hesitants are dumb, or just misinformed. That’s not at all what I’ve seen.

      In fact typically, independent of education level, the vaccine hesitant I’ve met in the ER are more familiar with vaccine studies, and more aware of their own COVID risks than the vaccinated.

      For example, many of my nurses have refused the vaccine despite seeing COVID-19 cause more death and devastation than most people have.

      I ask them why refuse the vaccine?

      They tell me while they’ve seen the first hand dangers of COVID, the elderly, the obese, diabetics; they think their risk is low.

      They’re not wrong. A 30-year-old female has about a 1 in 7000 chance of catching COVID and being hospitalized over it.

      He pointed out that a recent study showed that the risk of vaccine-induced Myocarditis (heart disease) in young males is higher than their risk from hospitalization from COVID.

      He called for larger studies to be conducted.

      Steve Kirsch, the Executive Director of the COVID-19 Early Treatment Fund, also gave testimony, and he began his comments with:

      I am going to focus my remarks today with the elephant in the room that nobody likes to talk about, that the vaccines kill more people than they save.

      He presented data to prove that the belief that these vaccines are “safe” simply isn’t true. He gives several facts to show this, most all of which we have previously covered here at Health Impact News.

      For example, people have 71 times more risk of heart attack following COVID-19 vaccines than any other vaccine.

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    Dennis

    I am confused about Ivermectin and HCQ because of the many conflicting comments and articles, and from friends and family who are qualified to comment and my GP.

    For example, during November 2020 Minister for Health Greg Hunt answered a question advising that Ivermectin was being given to patients intravenously in hospitals subject to a doctor prescribing it. In other words the doctor has a specific reason and purpose in mind as compared to people with no medical background taking the drug as a precaution. I take Vitamin D, C and Zinc, E, Selenium, Lipoic Acid, B multi and some others but not specifically to protect against COVID-19, my GP gave me my first prescription for Cholecalciferol (Vit D) years ago – 50,000 IU monthly and I take 1,000 IU every three days in addition.

    The comments here added to other websites and media are all over the place for and against and in between.

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    Dennis

    1 hours ago

    Defence Minister Peter Dutton has revealed Australia will consider leasing or buying existing submarines from the United States or United Kingdom in the near future.

    His comments come after Australia announced a new military alliance with the US and the UK, called AUKUS, which will allow the country to acquire nuclear-powered submarines to counter Chinese aggression in the Asia-Pacific.

    “Already, I’ve met with a number of my counterparts here from the secretary down in terms of those that are making decisions and we will have further discussions with the Brits as well,” Mr Dutton told Sky News Australia.

    “The talk that you can just buy a nuclear power submarine off the shelf is of course not just accurate or correct and I think most people realise that.

    “The US has also got a very significant program of development underway in their nuclear submarine program, as do the Brits and frankly as do the French and others.”

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      RickWill

      Dutton is the head banger from Queensland. He seems hard to rattle. He is a man on a mission. He was the alternative to Turnbull until ScoMo put his hand up.

      I doubt Dutton would have led the LNP to victory but he is certainly a shining light in Australian politics right now.

      I also admire the WA Premier, Mark McGowan. He appears to have more than mush between his hears and has looked after the big money earners of The Australian economy..

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      Forrest Gardener

      Talk about your mixed messages. How do you consider leasing or buying existing submarines and at the same time say you can’t buy one off the shelf?

      And how exactly will submarines counter Chinese aggression in the Asia Pacific?

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        Dennis

        “And how exactly will submarines counter Chinese aggression in the Asia Pacific?”

        As part of many deterrents on Australian territory and Asia Pacific Region including already US military personnel and assets stationed here.

        The combined allied forces are formidable and deterrents are what military assets are primarily about.

        Also, Australia’s ADF has many decades past of training with our allies and supporting them when needed, before and after WW2.

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        yarpos

        Not sure why that is such a difficult concept or in any way a mixed message

        If I wanted to by a new car and there were none in showrooms waiting for me to buy them , I would purchase an appropriate used car.

        The other questions was well answered by Dennis

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          Forrest Gardener

          If they are available for sale or lease then by definition they are available off the shelf.

          YMMV

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            Nope !..Off the shelf is considered a reference to buying new ..
            ….as in….” off the store or showroom shelf”.
            …..as opposed to buying from the dealers used car lot !

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    M Allinson

    Nearly a year of house arrest is proving to be as much as some folks can take – Melbourne protestors rush police line:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-twhBOCPp-s&t=25s

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      Forrest Gardener

      Where exactly did the police line want protesters to go? Turn around and walk the other way? Disappear off the face of the earth?

      Like every protest there are rabble rousers just out for a fight. I would have thought police commanders would know how to pick them out and arrest them later. I would have thought that trying to arrest individuals from a mob was poor practice. I would have thought that spraying random individuals in a crowd was going to be ineffective. I would have thought that pushing random individuals to the ground was only every going to be counterproductive.

      All of the above reasons are why every protest in living memory has been waved through with police present only to ensure public safety.

      We can only hope cooler heads prevail and our police commanders get a clue.

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        Sambar

        But you must remember that a police spokesman, ( yes a man ) publicly declared a week ago that this was going to be ” a violent ” protest. When the whole thing could have been managed as you suggest, that is, allow passage and nab trouble makers later the police chose to provoke the crowd by pepper spraying people. Every clip I have seen shows that police instigated this reaction by deploying pepper spray. They got exactly what they wanted a violent reaction. Now we can blame the protestors.

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          Forrest Gardener

          Yes, and going back to the law of natural consequences I can hardly imagine that this will cause protests to dissipate and I can hardly imagine the morale of police will improve.

          Oh for a journalist who can think their way out of a wet paper bag.

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            the police look like they have a positive attitude and high satisfaction levels towards work, coupled with the willingness to freely give one’s best if you watch the video LOL
            they are throwing punches, hitting with batons and spraying as the crowd peacefully runs past them LOL
            the police look right at home, couldn’t see any of them complaining LOL

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              Forrest Gardener

              No doubting what you saw. I have great confidence in the power of the human conscience. Some will have enjoyed being let off the leash. Others will not want to look their friends in the eye.

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      bobby b

      “Melbourne protestors rush police line:”

      You might be inspired by the huge circulation this video has had throughout the USA. We all had one general – good – opinion of the Australian people. Then, we had to reconsider as we watched it all get shut down and cowed. Now this video is helping resurrect our original admiring view.

      (Well, 50% of us, I mean. The woke are scandalized. Only BLM and Antifa should be able to act this way!)

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    David Maddison

    Now that Australia has accepted the concept of nuclear power for submarines why can’t nuclear power stations be considered.

    I think the free market should decide, in some cases coal or gas would be better, other times nuclear or hydro, or in certain rare circumstances even solar or wind in some remote area installations.

    However, since government policy is that anthropogenic CO2 makes the world get hotter (and when has that ever been a bad thing?), at least nuclear power doesn’t produce CO2. And it is cheap and reliable unlike solar and wind.

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      Dennis

      Are you not aware of the investigation into Australia using nuclear power plants in future, but noting the present ban on nuclear power legislated?

      The nuclear submarines apparently get around the ban because the power units will be manufactured and supplied by US or UK or both and installed in vessels built here.

      However, recently Minister Angus Taylor reconfirmed that nuclear modular units for electricity generation are under consideration. But he did not say that State Governments are responsible for electricity supply and development application approvals that would be needed.

      I posted a link above that explains State and Federal powers and the limitations for Federal Government.

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        David Maddison

        I am aware of various government inquiries but Australia is a country of endless rules and regulations and terror of new ideas.

        No matter the lip service given by government about “looking into it”, it is very unlikely to happen. Admittedly it was a huge surprise to get nuclear submarines.

        However, I have given up on seeing a positive future for Australia and am rapidly getting to the point of not caring any more.

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      Forrest Gardener

      I know you were talking about power generation but the idea of a wind powered submarine is quite amusing.

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      Klem

      “And it is cheap and reliable unlike solar and wind”

      Cheap and reliable is precisely why governments aren’t interested in nuclear power. Governments don’t want power to be cheap, they want it to be expensive, as expensive as possible. The more expensive it is the more revenue it generates. People must understand, cheap power is not in any governments financial interest.

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    Chris

    Deleted again. I can take a hint.

    [Nothing in the sin bin from you Chris.]AD

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    David Maddison

    Dr John Campbell from the UK is extremely pro Covid vaccine but even he thinks the recent decision of the Australian Government to ban GPs prescribing Ivermectin for Covid to be bizarre and looks closely at the reasons our Government gave.

    https://youtu.be/_gndsUjgPYo

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      Dennis

      I understand that the concern is that people will use the drugs as a preventative regardless of them not having the virus.

      In November 2020 Health Minister Hunt told journalists that Ivermectin is being given to patients in hospitals when prescribed by a doctor and administered intravenously.

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        David Maddison

        If people want to use it for prophylaxis, what is wrong with that?

        I have been told by a GP that a patient of his in hospital with Covid was not offered Ivermectin (GPs cannot prescribe for their hospital patients). They were doing poorly until it was given but the patient’s family had to smuggle the Ivermectin into the hospital and give it to them.

        The patient is now recovered but the hospital had them on oxygen before that.

        I would be surrised if Ivermectin use for Covid is routine in Australian hospitals. We would hear about it if it was.

        Don’t forget Hunt was behind banning HCQ and now IVM. Why should he be trusted?

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          Ross

          In fact I think it works best via prophylaxis. Police in one of those Indian states using IVM were prescribed a much lower dose than the proposed protocols for post infection. It appeared to provide good outcome will low numbers of police personnel infected with COVID.

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            David, and people who need oxygen and stay in hospital are more likely to have worse long term outcomes. Will they be able to sue the hospital or TGA or Minister of Health because they suffered more harm by being denied their treatment of choice?

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      Hanrahan

      I’ve given up on Dr John, he clearly self censors to keep the YT masters placated. I don’t want half the story.

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        David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

        G’day H,
        I only watch him occasionally now, but the one David M has posted about is one of the good ones. In 18 minutes he destroys the TGA case.
        But, like you, I find his lack of knowledge about the nastiness of the vaccines disturbing.
        Cheers
        Dave B

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        Serp

        Yes, I can’t remember why I dropped him so this latest effort rubbishing the TGA’s given reasons for banning IVM was a pleasant surprise.

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    another ian

    “Whoopsie, Too Funny – Overzealous DC Stormtroopers Accidentally Target Undercover Fed Dressed Like Antifa Then Had to Pretend Like They Were Arresting Him
    September 18, 2021 | Sundance | 370 Comments”

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/09/18/whoopsie-too-funny-overzealous-dc-stormtroopers-accidentally-target-undercover-fed-dressed-like-antifa-then-had-to-pretend-like-they-were-arresting-him/

    “Apparently, according to the Twitter, this is what happens when you throw an entrapment party and no one shows up.”

    Amodel for Danbaiting?

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    OldOzzie

    It’s the Same Vaccine, No Matter Who’s President

    The Party of Science doesn’t even know how science works

    Nicki Minaj has been feuding with MSNBC’s Joy Reid about vaccine stuff, but Reid has her own history of vaccine hesitancy. Very recent history! And as always, the indefatigable Drew Holden has the receipts:

    Joy Reid again defends her belief that it was NECESSARY to be anti-vaxxer when Trump was in office: “I was hesitant. When Donald Trump was out there controlling the CDC & controlling the FDA & manipulating them & making them put out falsehoods, anybody rational was hesitant.

    Yeah, here’s the thing about that: IT’S LITERALLY THE SAME VACCINE. It didn’t magically transform from a bad vaccine to a good vaccine, or vice versa, just because we elected a new president. There’s not a “Trump vaccine” and a “Biden vaccine.” It’s literally the same stuff! It’s the same physical matter residing in the same universe. The only thing that’s different now is a few misfiring neurons in the brains of partisan morons like Joy Reid.

    This is the woman who managed to keep her awful MSNBC show after claiming that some homophobic posts on her old blog, which she wrote before anybody even knew who she was, were planted there by a hacker. That’s right, some hacker got into a time machine, went back to 2010, and tried to ruin Joy Reid’s career by making it look like she hates gay people. She’s always loved science fiction.

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      Tilba+Tilba

      Yeah, here’s the thing about that: IT’S LITERALLY THE SAME VACCINE. It didn’t magically transform from a bad vaccine to a good vaccine, or vice versa, just because we elected a new president. There’s not a “Trump vaccine” and a “Biden vaccine.” It’s literally the same stuff! It’s the same physical matter residing in the same universe. The only thing that’s different now is a few misfiring neurons in the brains of partisan morons like Joy Reid.

      I’ve raised this here several times … public acceptance (or rejection) of anything depends on who is doing the promoting, and it doesn’t take much for people to flip.

      Not that long ago – a few decades – the “deep state” was widely seen (quite rightly) to be all about suppressing the “left”, and all manner of radical thought, counter-culture movements, environment movements, anti-war protests, and much else.

      Now the right bemoans that the “deep state” is a great big left-Democrat machine, oppressing Republicans and “the people”.

      Same with the pandemic – Trump was so distrusted by so many people, that he could not promote motherhood, let alone HCQ, Ivermectin, or even bleach. So when he boasted of his efforts to get a vaccine out at “warp-speed” pre-election, a lot of never-trumpers were deeply suspicious.

      I don’t think Joy Reid is being hypocritical or a flip-flop – the change of president (and a few other factors) have meant that a change of view is a rational response to new circumstances.

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        clarence.t

        “the change of president (and a few other factors) have meant that a change of view is a rational response to new circumstances.”

        Now that’s just hilariously funny..

        You really think Joe Biden and the dems have any rational response to anything ? WOW !

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        MP

        You seem to be locked in the left, right paradigm. Most now see the bird.
        But your all about division aren’t you, white boy.

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        Tel

        It think for the most part Tilba, you simply make stuff up and don’t bother to read any real material which you pretend to criticize. You create these hand waving strawmen and then conclude from that what you wanted to conclude to begin with. I presume you operate the same with climate data as you do with politics.

        Now the right bemoans that the “deep state” is a great big left-Democrat machine, oppressing Republicans and “the people”.

        Who said that? Where? Give a link.

        If you accept “Heritage” as rightwing (whatever that means changes from day to day) then at least I can get some verifiable material describing the problems with the “deep state” and then if you bother to put the effort into studying what they are saying, perhaps you can come up with a sensible response.

        The Administrative State

        Around the time that Donald Trump took office, his chief strategist Steve Bannon said that his goal was to “deconstruct the administrative state.”

        Philip Rucker and Robert Costa, “Bannon Vows a Daily Fight for ‘Deconstruction of the Administrative State,’”

        The phrase “administrative state”—also called “the regulatory state” or “the deep state”—has lately floated into common parlance. In his recently published pamphlet The Administrative Threat, the legal scholar Philip Hamburger describes it as “a state within a state,” a sort of parallel legal and political structure populated by unelected bureaucrats.

        Philip Hamburger, The Administrative Threat (New York: Encounter Books: 2017), p. 1.
        This amorphous congeries of agencies and regulations has become, Hamburger argues, “the dominant reality of American governance,” intruding everywhere into economic and social life.

        Article I of the Constitution vests all legislative power in Congress, just as Article III vests all judicial authority in the Court. The administrative state is a mechanism for circumventing both. As such, Hamburger argues, the administrative state operates outside the Constitution.

        That’s fairly clearly an argument put forward that government should be bound by the same Constitution that created it. Same argument that the conservative side of politics has been putting forward for several hundred years.

        https://www.heritage.org/conservatism/report/populism-and-the-future-democracy

        Read the whole thing, and get a sense of perspective … you won’t need to make stuff up anymore.

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      Richard+Ilfeld

      Ms. Reid went to Harvard.
      She is fully innoculated against common sense.

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    M Allinson

    Saw a placard on the web:

    “The real conspiracy theorists believe that the government cares about them, the media would never mislead or lie to them, and the pharmaceutical industry that makes billions off sickness wants to cure them.”

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    OldOzzie

    A QUARTER of ‘Covid inpatients’ in England are primarily being treated for a different illness or injury, official data shows

    Data shows 6,146 NHS beds taken up by Covid positive patients on Sept 14, latest health service data shows

    But just 4,721 patients (77%) were primarily being treated for coronavirus, with rest possibly ‘incidental’ cases
    In NHS hospitals in Midlands, a third of Covid inpatients were mainly being treated for other illness or injury

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    Brenda Spence

    Found a video about who is making all the money during this pandemic. Seems to be an organisation called the Vanguard Group but the World Economic Forum came up..

    Guess what is associated with WEF but

    “The Forum of Young Global Leaders is an initiative of the World Economic Forum.

    YGL® and Young Global Leaders® are registered trademarks of The Forum of Young Global Leaders”

    whose objective is

    “As a group of over 600+ professionals across over 90 countries worldwide, YGL Alumni are engaged in activities that aim to improve the state of the world. They are CEO’s of Fortune 500 corporations, in royal houses, in leading NGO’s and national non-profits, public figures in civil society, sports personalities, and more.”

    For Australasia and Oceania, we have

    Jacinta Ardern, Andrew Bragg,Sarah Hanson Young, Jess Mauboy, Simon Sheik, and other business and education luminaries

    https://www.younggloballeaders.org/community?class_year=&q=&region=a0Tb00000000DCNEA2&sector=&status=

    The web is getting more tangled every day.

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    Yonniestone.

    An interesting demonstration from one of my YouTube favorites, Uncle Tony an old school mechanic uses very basic tools to show the difference between a gasoline and EV battery fire.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuVxwmnhqP4

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      Graeme#4

      Scary stuff. So an EV battery will burn at 3300C, while petrol burns at around 650C. Quite a difference!

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        Graeme#4
        September 19, 2021 at 7:55 pm · Reply
        Scary stuff. So an EV battery will burn at 3300C, while petrol burns at around 650C. Quite a difference

        Either would kill you just as quick…
        But generally the battery fire takes longer to get going, with much smoke and fumes before the flames take hold

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      Klem

      That is brilliant! Vaccine passports will not stand up to even the most cursory legal scrutiny. Proving your vaccine status is
      an invasion of your medical privacy. Its none of their business what your vaccine status is, it’s only the concern of you and your doctor. You can choose to reveal your vax status if you want to, but you don’t have to.

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    David Maddison

    I agree with Donald Horne:

    When I invented the phrase in 1964 to describe Australia, I said: ‘Australia is a lucky country run by second rate people who share its luck.’ I didn’t mean that it had a lot of material resources … I had in mind the idea of Australia as a [British] derived society whose prosperity in the great age of manufacturing came from the luck of its historical origins … In the lucky style we have never ‘earned’ our democracy. We simply went along with some British habits.

    But that “luck” has run out.

    Australia does not have what it takes to thrive or be free in the 21st century.

    Our institutions are too dominated by the Left and the terror of new ideas is just too great and the push for ever more rules and regulations and taxes is relentless.

    We will end up as a Marxist dictatorship like Venezuela albeit with nuclear submarines, if they ever get built.

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      el+gordo

      We were once the outpost of empire, adopted the English fashion and the Westminster system, it works quite well. In a democracy with a prosperous middle class, the idea of us becoming a Marxist state is without foundation.

      Our educational institutions have been influenced by Green propaganda and the left have been dragged along, but eventually the ordinary people will notice (with the help of the MSM) that CO2 doesn’t cause global warming.

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      el+gordo

      Also, Donald Horne was a strong supporter of the left, not that there is anything wrong with that.

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      TdeF

      Tanks and submarines and aircraft are passe. Temporary.

      If you cannot make and deliver your own nuclear weapons and launch ICBMs and satellites, you are not in the arms race.

      That means really only the USA, Russia, and China. Plus France, the UK and lately India, Pakistan with North Korea and Iran knocking on the door. Everyone else is dependent on the goodwill of others. And only the first three are in the space race. And few are in the hypersonic delivery business which obsoletes all aircraft delivery and ballistic defences.

      In the phony war though like the recent Chinese attack on India in the Himalayas and the mass release of the first bioweapon by China, being able to defend yourself against conventional attack is absolutely necessary as nuclear arms are only a deterrent, not an offensive or defensive weapon. MAD rules, Mutually Assured Destruction, which is why the Wuhan Flu was pushed overseas, to weaken and destabilize.

      Australia needs to be self sufficient in conventional weapons and energy, which is why Global Warming is used to shut down our manufacturing completely and shut down our ample coal power. This courtesy of the UN, a series of committees like the WHO and IPCC, now utterly controlled by China through their Belt and Road bribery.

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        TdeF

        Having undermined the US, what would really anger the Chinese Communist Party is that Manchurian Candidate Biden is not in control, as they hoped and Secretary of State Blinken is worse than useless, as seen in Afghanistan but that the Hawks are in charge now.

        Biden did not do this deal. He couldn’t tie his own shoes. There is a Washington clique in charge of foreign policy and the need to defend against China is high priority. I put the current near panic state down to the ongoing attack on Australia and the explicit and economic threats, bioweapon and cyber attacks communicated by Morrison to Johnson and whoever is running the White House.

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          OldOzzie

          General Milley Is Releasing A Revised Version Of ‘The Art Of War’ — And We’ve Got Exclusive Excerpts

          General Mark A. Milley says he can make it even better. Milley believes the book needs to be updated to integrate all the advancements America’s modern military has made in military tactics and strategy. To that end, he’s releasing his own version of the book.

          “If you think you might attack an enemy, pick up the phone and give ’em a heads up. It’s only fair.”

          “You have to be careful not to surprise your enemy. They really don’t like it.”

          “Treason is not treason if it is the lesser of two treasons.”

          “Know thy pronouns, and know thy enemy’s pronouns.”

          “The supreme art of war is to surrender to your enemy without fighting.”

          “All war is white rage.”

          “If you surrender, you can never lose.”

          “If thy commanding officer sends mean tweets, thou need not follow orders or the chain of command.”

          “The enemy of my friend is my friend.”

          “Keep your friends close and your enemies on speed dial.”

          “You can not betray the one to which you were never loyal.”

          “Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for China.”

          “When retreating, leave most of thy armaments behind so you know what you’ll be up against next time.”

          “Chinese bros before American hoes.”

          “He who turns on bad orange man gets big book deal.”

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            TdeF

            And your biggest enemy is not the enemy soldiers, the enemies weapons or missiles conventional or nuclear but Climate Change.

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            robert rosicka

            Prince Leonard of Hutt Province declared war and surrendered 24 hours later , while the Libs were laughing their heads off they never checked that there is an obscure UN law that covered the situation and as a result Australia was obligated to recognise the prince and his principality. For those who don’t believe, the feds only nailed Hutt Province after the Prince had died . So surrender can be an advantage .

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      yarpos

      If by “earned” Horne means we never went to war with ourselves then I guess so. In reality I dont think the self flagellation is justified. We arent that much different to most western countries , we have our own issues/strengths and weaknesses and there arent many that I really think we should try to emulate due to their glowing successes in recent decades.

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    Dr John Campbells take on our TGA’s decision on Ivermectin

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gndsUjgPYo

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    Robber

    Serious Covid cases on the increase in NSW and Vic over the last 30 days.
    Hospitalised/ICU/Ventilator numbers:
    NSW 474/82/25 to 1219/233/123
    Vic 15/6/1 to 207/56/40

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      yarpos

      It will be fine, we got vaccines!!

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      GD

      Serious Covid cases on the increase in NSW and Vic over the last 30 days

      This will be blamed on the unvaxxed.

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        Tilba+Tilba

        This will be blamed on the unvaxxed.

        I don’t think the anti-vaccine groups should be vilified, and nor should vaccination be mandatory outside of the obvious workplaces, but if a CHO or Health Minister stands there and says something like, “We have 1000 in hospital, with 90% unvaccinated, and 160 in ICU – and none of those in ICU are fully vaccinated.”, then it does look like a “pandemic of the unvaccinated”.

        It’s a neat marketing term, but I don’t particularly like it – because it remains a pandemic for the vaccinated as well – if they come into close contact with the unvaccinated. So pubs, clubs, entertainment venues, and sports venues are going to be required to admit only the fully vaccinated.

        It won’t be up to the discretion of the owners-managers – it will be a legal requirement – so revenge or boycotts or social media monstering will be irrelevant.

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          And if the unvaxxed are more likely to get a symptomatic infection and thus get tested and stay home who will be the ultimate superspreaders?

          I’m asking genuinely. I don’t know if anyone knows the answer to this at the moment.

          Asymptomatic spreaders may be the most dangerous kind?

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            Tilba+Tilba

            And if the unvaxxed are more likely to get a symptomatic infection and thus get tested and stay home who will be the ultimate superspreaders?

            That’s a fair question on its face, I agree.

            However if the vaccines lower the possibility of your contracting the virus in the first place – and by a significant amount – then getting the fully vaxxed beyond 80% should mean the R0 goes below 1.0, and inevitably the virus dies out.

            Isn’t that a good thing? I’m not considering wild new variants at this point.

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    Ian MacCulloch

    Since Biden was elected the price of natural gas has gone from $1.30 per MMBtu to $5.90 (ex Henry Hub). It is still cheaper than its European equivalent but at this rate not for much longer.

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      there is a hell of a lot of things that have become more expensive since the day Biden was inaugurated
      petrol went up by up to 70 cents a litre in Vicdanistan

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        David Maddison

        You mean $1.70?

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          robert rosicka

          Yeah I think it must be because David although it never got anywhere near that here , $1.50? Odd was as high as it went.

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        Tilba+Tilba

        there is a hell of a lot of things that have become more expensive since the day Biden was inaugurated petrol went up by up to 70 cents a litre in Vicdanistan

        Richmond failed to make the AFL Finals this year – are you going to blame that on President Biden?

        Might as well – it would make about as much sense.

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      Klem

      During his campaign, Biden promised to increase the cost of fossil fuels. As the most popular President in US history, he is delivering on his promise.

      80 million deceased voters can’t be wrong.

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    Chris

    China is harvesting timber at ever-increasing rates around the world, thus depleting local industries and necessary timber for building.
    France, NewZealand and Russia have all been effected.

    As China protects it’s own forests, countries in Africa, South America and SE Asia have been plundered.
    A significant proportion of this timber is illegally harvested.

    China’s Massive Import of Timber Raises Alarm on Global Forest Industry https://www.theepochtimes.com/chinas-massive-import-of-timber-raises-alarm-on-global-forest-industry_3996635.html?

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      OldOzzie

      Nothing New there

      4. Transformation of Nature in Japan. and Initiatives for its Restoration

      4-1. Japan: A Forest-Rich Nation Buying Up Global Timber

      One of the World’s Most-Forested Countries

      Although Japan is often seen as an urbanized, industrial powerhouse, the nation in fact boasts an
      extremely high level of forest coverage. Of the nation’s total area of 37.79 million hectares, 25.1
      million hectares or 66.4% is covered by forest, making Japan the third most-forested developed
      country behind only Finland and Sweden (Forestry Agency 2012). Compared with the 30% global
      average forest coverage rate, Japan’s forest coverage is clearly extremely high

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        yarpos

        I think the scale of operations is new, and the avaricious nature of “buyers” is new

        They should have fun cleaning out Africa

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    Rod

    Posted Sep 18, 2021 by Martin Armstrong

    Australia is turning into East Germany. This appears to be deliberate and the politicians are clearly using COVID to impose totalitarianism. Australia will no longer be a free state and reliable sources insist that either all future elections will be suspended, or they will be rigged which is starting to become the norm as Joseph Stalin said. It does not matter how people vote, the real power lies with those who count the votes.

    There us NO going “back to normal” PERIOD until these lying traitors called politicians are removed from office and charged for their crimes. I would have no problem in imposing life sentences with no parole.
    If Craig Kelly’s party wants to end all this plandemic nonsense then he’d better move at lightning speed. ie THIS year as elections will be cancelled because of the next scary variant with a mortality rate signicantly less than the annual flu, which btw seems to have disappeared according to Aussie rags.

    Maybe the soon to be dragged out of office and strung up pollies can explain this:

    At least 39% of Australians were left unable to perform daily activities after having the Covid-19 Vaccine according to official Government data.The National Centre for Immunisation and Research (NCIRS) in Australia are currently leading a collaboration with the Australia’s Government known as AusVaxSafety. The group has been conducting active vaccine surveillance of the Covid-19 vaccines in use in Australia to “ensure their ongoing safety”.

    39%… picture the numbers after the 2nd shot…the booster…the next vaxx for the next variant ad nauseum until there’s no-one left. So much for big pharma profits then.
    I expect even the pollies and their sycophantic minions to become sick because of what I call “anti herd immunity” where the majority of people are now shedders and spreaders. No-one’s safe near them.
    Reap what you sow.
    Time to advance the Doomsday Clock again?

    [Email account comes with a caution warning.]AD

    [Rod! Can you use a proper email? Thanks! – Jo]

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      Tel

      https://www.ausvaxsafety.org.au/safety-data/covid-19-vaccines

      That looks like the data you mention. I have not downloaded and gone through it … would be interested if others could do some.

      They give a top level summary:
      * 55.8% no adverse event.
      * 44.2% any adverse event (even tiny)
      * 0.8% needed doctor or emergency visit.

      Those stats are worse than typical for a vaccine, but they are not a disaster either. Your stat for “unable to perform daily activities” looks too high. Where is it from?

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      MP

      Rod, CDC data from very early on in the vaxx campaign, showed 2.7% of injured were unable to preform normal daily activities. What it is now, we will never be told honestly.
      I would link, but the documents are on my lap top, which tells me my hard drive is locked. It is available on the CDC website.

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      Tilba+Tilba

      There us NO going “back to normal” PERIOD until these lying traitors called politicians are removed from office and charged for their crimes. I would have no problem in imposing life sentences with no parole.

      If Craig Kelly’s party wants to end all this plandemic [sic] nonsense then he’d better move at lightning speed. ie THIS year as elections will be cancelled because of the next scary variant with a mortality rate signicantly [sic] less than the annual flu

      Wow – lots of ultra-right paranoia, conspiracy, and crazy wishcasting all wrapped up in one little package – well done!

      Australia is a liberal democracy, and if governments don’t perform well, they are thrown out at the next election. It’s not Stalinist Russia or some tinpot dictatorship, and we do not kill or imprison our political opponents.

      We will have an election within the constitutional timeframe, even if postal voting is much more popular. Craig Kelly and his boofhead puppet-master Clive Palmer will get their usual two or three percent. Thankfully, the electorate doesn’t fall for their extremist voodoo.

      The “plandemic” meme is childish, and speaks volumes about anyone who persists in using it. LOL

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    OldOzzie

    Christian Porter resigns from federal cabinet: Morrison

    Industry Minister Christian Porter has resigned from cabinet, after he was unable to “conclusively rule out” there wasn’t a conflict of interest in his opaque legal fund, Prime Minister Scott Morrison said.

    The resignation comes after a week of intense scrutiny for Mr Porter after he declared a blind trust in his register of members’ interests to help pay for his costly defamation battle with the ABC over the airing of rape allegations.

    Because of the “complex nature” of the blind trust, Mr Porter had acknowledged he was unable to “conclusively rule out a perceived conflict”, Mr Morrison said on Sunday.

    “As a result of him acknowledging that, he has this afternoon taken the appropriate course of action to uphold those standards by tendering his resignation as a minister this afternoon, and I have accepted his resignation,” Mr Morrison added.

    “We believe they are incredibly important, and it is not just about actual conflicts, it’s about the standards for ministers to have an obligation to avoid any perception of conflicts of interest that is ultimately what has led the minister to make that decision this afternoon.”

    Mr Morrison said Energy and Emissions Reduction Minister Angus Taylor had taken on Mr Porter’s Ministerial responsibilities of Industry, Science and Technology in the interim.

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      Chris

      The ABC will be delighted. They got what the result they wanted.

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      Tel

      What is the correct process to conclusively rule out someone else’s perceptions?

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      Tilba+Tilba

      The “blind trust” claim is a fake – it has nothing to do with an arm’s-length management of one’s pre-existing wealth.

      The million-dollar anonymous donation is the issue – and Porter has obviously decided it’s better he resign from cabinet than reveal where the money came from. Intriguing!

      He needs to resign from parliament altogether – hiding million-dollar donations used as private expenditure is unacceptable.

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    OldOzzie

    Is It Puppeteers or Puppets in Control in Washington?

    . Under Biden, America now has a national debt that rivals a Black Hole….. Our southern border remains more a suggestion than a checkpoint. And our allies see a nation that has casually condemned to death untold numbers of Afghans who fervently believed in America until they saw our last C-17 depart Kabul.

    . What all of this might suggest is that there are individuals in Washington who are wielding enormous power without worrying about what Joe Biden might think or do because whatever they decide, it is Biden who will take the fall. If true, it has the makings of a nightmare situation.

    It must be the best of times and the worst of times for our nation’s enemies.

    On one hand they have a President in the White House whose actions are reducing America into some befuddled and diminished world power. On the other hand our foes are trying to figure out, as are all Americans, who is actually in charge in Washington?

    Is it a shadow government of consultants, lobbyists, and Obama retreads? Or is it really a president who counts success as getting to the presidential helicopter unassisted? One can envision the intelligence chiefs of our sworn enemies being sternly lectured by their supreme leaders to get to the bottom of it because they can’t believe their good fortune that American leadership has fallen so far so fast. It must be a devious trap.

    If only that were true.

    . [W]e appear to be trapped by a Washington power elite intent on consigning our future to oblivion. In the end, it will be up to the American electorate to halt this slide as they consider who to send to Congress in the next election cycle.

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    OldOzzie

    [Duplicate]AD

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    David Maddison

    I am surprised there is no alarm about new Federal Government laws:

    The bill introduces three new powers for law-enforcement agencies:

    “data disruption warrants” allow authorities to “disrupt data” by copying, deleting or modifying data as they see fit

    “network activity warrants” permit the collection of intelligence from devices or networks that are used, or likely to be used, by subject of the warrant

    “account takeover warrants” let agencies take control of an online account (such as a social media account) to gather information for an investigation.

    There is also an “emergency authorisation” procedure that allows these activities without a warrant under certain circumstances.

    SEE LINK FOR REST

    https://theconversation.com/facebook-or-twitter-posts-can-now-be-quietly-modified-by-the-government-under-new-surveillance-laws-167263

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      Serp

      It was done and dusted two weeks ago as I recall.

      What this says about the evidential quality of anybody’s social media account is moot but surely this is a sledgehammer blow to any prosecutions which go on foot hereafter that depend on the probative value of online posts.

      There was no dissent from the initiative anywhere in either house and I supposed that this proceeded from a security briefing beforehand, anti-terror shtick or more likely WWIII fearmongering.

      The baby’s gone out with the bathwater I fear.

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      Tilba+Tilba

      My brother-in-law was a senior spook in America’s NSA for some decades. He told me once that someone pointed out to them that a really large number of gaming machines (PlayStation or Xbox) were being sold into the shadier corners of the Middle East.

      They discovered that terrorist organisations were communicating with each other via the messaging channels that gamers use to play against or with each other. Hard to monitor.

      They had to go to Congress to get new powers to deal with this sort of stuff. Legislation always lags well behind what is happening.

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    David Maddison

    Any idea when Novavax might be available in Australia?

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    another ian

    More inspection from outside

    “Australia and COVID Zero: What Was The Long-Term Plan?”

    https://coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2021/08/australia-and-covid-zero-what-was-the-long-term-plan.html

    As I’ve punted before get ready to be in tourist promotion when the Peking Pox abates as there will have to be a hell of a lot of money convincing to get back that overseas tourism that was going to fuel those green jobs (/s)

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      Tilba+Tilba

      Five years or so ago I remember it was a popular social media poll question in this country to ask where one would live if they could not live in the US. I remember that Australia and New Zealand were often near the top of the lists. Which leads me to ask today — would anyone, after watching the extraordinarily totalitarian response of these two countries to COVID, answer the same way today? I certainly would not. The country of Crocodile Dundee has morphed before our eyes into the country of some weird fascist version of piglet in the 100 acre wood.

      Phew – I’m really pleased he and his readers are not coming on down! I find it highly amusing that the US right hides behind “freedom” whenever there’s a policy they don’t like. It’s all just such childish, sandpit behaviour. And they can never decide whether it’s the commie left or the fascist right that is the big bad wolf. LOL

      What Covidiots like the blogger will never understand is that the overwhelming majority of Australians and Kiwis have a strong sense of community responsible, and accompanying emotional intelligence.

      We have a totally different culture to the Yanks, and thank goodness. We accepted strict lockdowns as a fair price to pay … of course Delta changed everything, but we have stuck together and stuck it out – as mature adults do.

      He can stamp his feet and hold his breath until he turns blue. What a pathetic baby.

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      another ian

      Hmmm!

      ““India plans to reopen for international tourism within 10 days, reports say, will issue free visas to first 500,000 travelers””

      “Good PR move. The article did not mention whether a packet of IVM would be included along with the free visa.”

      https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2021/09/18/india-vs-israel-time-to-admit-ivermectin-works/#comment-150792

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      Hanrahan

      What tourist is going to fly here, find out out someone they were never met has got sick so they were quarantined for most of their holiday?

      Any Aussie going interstate for a holiday is taking a risk.Unclean! ding dong Unclean! ding dong

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    David Maddison

    If the covid crisis is ever allowed to finish we will see:

    1) The biggest exercise in groupthink ever.
    2) The biggest exercise in punishing and silencing those guilty of wrongthink.
    3) The absolute faith the Left put in Big Pharma and the sceptism of Big Pharma by conservatives and other rational thinkers in favour of more inexpensive and proven treatment options.
    4) The willingness of the Left to remove all rights and freedoms and the willingness of most of the Sheeple to accept it.
    5) The further corruption of science, as if it were not already corrupted enough by the anthropogenic global warming fraud.
    6) The first mass exercise and successful rollout of a bioweapon.
    7) Enough apologists for the Chinese Communist Party to claim it wasn’t a bioweapon.

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      Tilba+Tilba

      4) The willingness of the Left to remove all rights and freedoms and the willingness of most of the Sheeple to accept it.

      What is consistently both offensive and amusing from the Far Right is their rejection of the democratic processes we enjoy, along with all manner of rights and freedoms that have not gone away.

      Their disrespect of the electorate is also very telling – “sheeple” is a common term of abuse in their limited lexicon. They just can’t tolerate the fact that the majority refuse to buy what they’re selling – thank goodness.

      Anthropogenic Global Warming is definitely occurring; we can argue about many of the details, but their is FAR more reputable science showing it happening conclusively.

      We need some evidence that it was a bioweapon that was deliberately released as a trial balloon – otherwise such conjecture is just all polly-waffle.

      China is our huge trading partner – it’s always amusing to see the Right rail and wail about them, as if they are the enemy.

      The soft, prosperous lives we lead here in “The Lucky Country” depend on a mature, grown-up relationship with everyone in Asia – especially China. Our long-term interests do not lie behind stuffy 19th Century alliances with old Northern Hemisphere powers – even if they speak English.

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        MP

        Like climate denier, anti-vaxxer, racist, I cant remember all the other terms you have used.

        Reputable science, you get the result you pay for.

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        Hanrahan

        TT you speak of the far right as if everyone is in agreement with your concept.

        Sir Humphrey was far right [I assume] but I have never met him or anyone like him.

        Could you describe, or name, these dastardly extremists so I can avoid them should I meet one?

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        Ronin

        “China is our huge trading partner – it’s always amusing to see the Right rail and wail about them, as if they are the enemy.”

        We may find out if that is true a lot sooner than you think, judging how things are looking.

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        clarence.t

        “Anthropogenic Global Warming is definitely occurring”

        Total Rubbish !!

        Again with that totally unscientific, unsupportable conjecture.

        Present evidence.. or don’t.

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        clarence.t

        “but their is FAR more reputable science showing it happening conclusively.”

        Present that science… or just ignore the fact that it doesn’t exist.

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      another ian

      “If the covid crisis is ever allowed to finish ”

      https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E_VeDs4XEBIt5Fm.jpg

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      OldOzzie

      Newspoll: Scott Morrison and Albanese lose support to minor parties

      Popular support for federal Labor has fallen amid a decline in personal approval for Anthony Albanese, who has slipped to his lowest net satisfaction ratings since becoming Opposition Leader more than two years ago.

      An exclusive Newspoll conducted for The Australian shows Scott Morrison also losing ground, with his own personal support dropping to its lowest net levels since the 2020 bushfires.

      The significant falls in satisfaction in the performances of both federal leaders came as voters increasingly looked to park their support with minor parties as lockdowns continue in the two most populous states, NSW and Victoria.

      This three-point turnaround in primary support for the major parties has marginally improved the two-party-preferred contest for the Coalition, which has gone from being behind 46-54 per cent in the previous poll to 47-53 per cent in the latest survey.

      There has been no movement in support for the Greens party, which remains on 10 per cent, and Pauline Hanson’s One Nation, which has 3 per cent.

      Votes for minor parties con­tinued to rise, lifting another point to 12 per cent.

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        Tilba+Tilba

        Scotty from Marketing is arguably the worst prime minister since Malcolm Fraser. Barnaby Joyce is a 1960s hayseed … not much better than Doug Anthony.

        Albanese suffers the same lack of electoral appeal as Bill Shorten did, and I don’t think he can lead Labor to a federal victory. There is other good talent around – Marles, Chalmers, Plibersek, Butler, Dreyfus, to name a few.

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    Eddie

    Is there any truth in this claim doing the rounds that Ivermectin IS being used in hospitals in Australia to treat vaccinated patients for Covid? But only in hospitals and only if vaccinated.

    https://twitter.com/InterBang/status/1436952118204772352?s=20

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    Lance

    Keep an eye on UK energy woes. They might be predictive of AU realities as well:

    “We could easily see a three-day working week. The Government has been playing dangerous games with the grid and has allowed a situation to develop that is outside their control. It’s terribly depressing.”

    “Last week the National Grid was having to pay £4,000 per megawatt hour to secure back-up electricity at short notice.”

    https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2021/09/19/aep-finally-wakes-up-to-the-green-nightmare/

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      Ronin

      It’s coming, we are a little behind as in most things but it will come, it will start down south in either Vicdanistan or South Australia, then work its way north.

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    Tilba+Tilba

    There us NO going “back to normal” PERIOD until these lying traitors called politicians are removed from office and charged for their crimes. I would have no problem in imposing life sentences with no parole.

    Um, we have elections every 3-4 years, so calm down … Australia remains a liberal democratic society, where we enjoy enormous freedoms.

    I don’t like Melbourne’s lockdown any more than anyone else, but as a mature adult I understand that we’re unfortunately bogged down in a pandemic that causes a serious respiratory disease. It can also damage and kill huge numbers of people if left unchecked.

    Craig Kelly and Clive Palmer deserve each other … what a pair of puffed-up nothings. Australian voters quite wisely reject such extremist boofheads.

    The vaccines are safe and effective.

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    Hanrahan

    According to The Seattle Times, the go-to paper on all things Boeing, Boeing’s chief technical test pilot on the 737 Max at the time, Mark Forkner is about to be charged.

    Hear Maximus tell the story:

    The latest: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnsNTj0SdhE

    His lead up vid from Jan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQlMiRDiyhc&t=0s

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      OldOzzie

      VAERs was introduced many years ago to monitor adverse reactions to all Vaccines, especially new ones.
      Before the vaccines were even introduced back in October 2020 the US CDC CBER department presented data to the CDC & FDA on what to expect and look for in terms of adverse effects from the mRNA vaccines when they are introduced.
      They produced a list based on experience with other vaccines of likely effects.

      It can be found here,
      https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/97349

      But here is the list anyway

      FDA Safety Surveillance of COVID 19 Vaccines :
      DRAFT
      Working list of possible adverse event outcomes
      Subject to change

      Guillain-Barré syndrome
      Acute disseminated encephalomyelitis
      Transverse myelitis
      Encephalitis/myelitis/encephalomyelitis/meningoencephalitis/meningitis/encepholapathy
      Convulsions/seizures
      Stroke
      Narcolepsy and cataplexy
      Anaphylaxis
      Acute myocardial infarction
      Myocarditis/pericarditis
      Autoimmune disease
      Deaths
      Pregnancy and birth outcomes
      Other acute demyelinating diseases
      Non-anaphylactic allergic reactions
      Thrombocytopenia
      Disseminated intravascular coagulation
      Venous thromboembolism
      Arthritis and arthralgia/joint pain
      Kawasaki disease
      Multisystem Inflammatory Syndrome in Children
      Vaccine enhanced disease

      The fact that VAERs has reported those effects and more, but not in the tens, not in hundreds, not in thousands but in 10s of thousands for some of them should be a pretty big signal that there must causation.

      If correlation did not prove causation the outcomes should not have been predictable based on historical evidence.
      Treat it as an experiment, they new the input and expected to get various outputs, which they did, would that not under normal circumstances be pretty good proof of causation?

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    another ian

    FWIW

    “A Plausible Hypothesis, Based On Fact”

    “But whether they do or not you can’t change facts and the facts are that either the jabs destroyed existing immunity, creating susceptible people out of resistant ones, or the virus has evolved to largely-evade the protection the jabs provided. Which it is doesn’t matter to the person who believed they were safe, and now learns — especially the hard way — that they are not.”

    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=243632

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    blank

    off topic. from a distance.

    The Cane Toad may be the best, at first blush, invasive ever introduced into Australia (the land where so many things can kill you). Eats spiders (many poisonous) and kills any snake (again many poisonous)that tries to eat it, crocodiles too.

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    Tilba+Tilba

    Darwin NT is headed for 36° today and 37° Tuesday, equalling its record. As a 11-year veteran of the place, that is very very uncomfortable, and the hottest months haven’t even begun yet.

    http://www.bom.gov.au/nt/forecasts/darwin.shtml

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    I keep seeing negative comments about vaccine passports. You’re in luck – you can avoid them by moving to Canberra!

    The Labor/Greens government is against using them in the territory. It achieves no public health outcome and would be expensive and impractical to administer (like a 30% increase of public service man hours).

    We are happy to rely on a high vacc rate, other public health measures (distancing, masks, people/m^2) and reactive responses to outbreaks.

    *This is different to non-government responses such as aged care facilities barring non-vaccinated, or international flights and overseas disembarkation rules requiring evidence of being covid free etc. Australia has a centralised data-base of vaccination so this can be called upon without the need of a thing called a passport.

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      clarence.t

      “like a 30% increase of public service man hours”

      Sounds like a political bureaucrat’s wet dream !

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        another ian

        I guess that helps explain why mail from there now takes about 3 weeks to get here rather that the 2 it used to (/s)

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      el+gordo

      Yeah, it would be clumsy and expensive. My guesstimate is that the Canberra model will be adopted by NSW.

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      MP

      You could of just wrote. We will do whatever we are ordered to do. Lot shorter.

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      Tel

      The Labor/Greens government is against using them in the territory. It achieves no public health outcome and would be expensive and impractical to administer (like a 30% increase of public service man hours).

      That’s very sensible … credit where credit is due.

      Sad that the hard-left in Canberra are more willing to support individual liberty than the so called Liberal Party of Australia who regularly go against their own principles.

      I do note that Canberra is using a utilitarian argument, rather than any concept that people have rights … but if that’s the best I can get then *shrug* guess better than nothing.

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        Actually Tel, you are making some sort of assumption that I wrote in fine detail everything that was said. Actually, the chief minister explicitly said that such enforcement would be an imposition on privacy. Shrug.

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      Lucky

      Thanks for that, no vaccine passport required.

      The “centralised data-base of vaccination” kept by government (which contains everything else about everybody) will be available everywhere.

      Bar-code tattoo on face also ruled out, for now.

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    Vaccine Passports! Here in the USA, you don’t need an ID to vote compliments of the hate America Democrats. Would vaccine ID voting privileges be on their menu?

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    Vicki

    Yep, thanks Ozzie. Have read that.

    But also read this:

    August 24, 2020Preprint Open Access
    Proteins that contaminate influenza vaccines have high homology to SARS-CoV-2 proteins thus increasing risk of severe COVID-19 disease and mortality

    https://zenodo.org/record/3997694#.YUfXy-kzbj0

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    another ian

    That last short description of circular reasoning in a video

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1439257913567154176

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      This description

      “The protected need to be protected from the unprotected by forcing the unprotected to use the protection that didn’t protect the protected.”

      From a previous thread

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    https://hannenabintuherland.com/asia/india-charges-who-scientist-soumya-swaminathan-for-mass-murder-the-beginning-of-accountability/

    India charges WHO Scientist Soumya Swaminathan for Mass Murder: The beginning of Accountability

    Herland Report: India charges WHO Scientist Soumya Swaminathan: India is a forefront nation in demanding accountability from the WHO, the Indian Bar Association (IBA) now suing WHO Chief Scientist Dr. Soumya Swaminathan.

    They are accusing her of causing the deaths of many Indian citizens by misleading them about the effect of Ivermectin, which she stated did not work against Covid-19.

    As a result, the use of Ivermectin to cure Covid-19 was stopped and Covid cases exploded with deaths increasing ten-fold.

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    Todd

    Hey Jo,

    “CO2 Spike 55 Million Years Ago Had an Interesting Effect on Our Planet” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7uPNLKJnE8

    I really like Anton, he’s a great presenter.

    Apparently they claim that this spike “caused” an increase of 8 degrees.

    I’m sure these guys are messing something up with their study, what do you think?

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    another ian

    Likely posted before but

    Another example of our brilliant government in action (/s)

    https://youtu.be/_gndsUjgPYo

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      Chiefio on that

      “That Dr. John Vid is wonderful. The typical British “slander via faint praise and “not understanding” was strong in him today 😉

      I’ve got several “Razors” I use (rules of thumb for sorting out the muddied and unsortable). One is “look for the negative space” (what ought to be but is not – like promotion of therapeutics by Official Medicine. We’ve got ZERO other than Big Pharma Remdesivir that’s at best so-so…) and another is “Are They Reliably 100% Wrong?” which has been the case for all things Ivermectin from TPTB.

      BTW, in the USA there’s a push to “ration” monoclonal antibodies in the South from The Feds. Why? Because it is working as a therapeutic… and they want to punish those States that do not do only what the DNC (nee Soros & GEBs) dictate…

      So at this point, given those rules that have worked wonderfully over decades in a great many fields: It looks to me like Australia has just given a Giant RINGING ENDORSEMENT of Ivermectin!

      The degree to which “IF They BAN it it must be good!” has been proved up as right is a startling thing at this point. That’s the thing about Institutionalized Evil, once you realize it has infested a place, it can’t Not-Be-Evil, so the opposite of what they advocate/demand/ban is typically 100% right. It’s a beautiful thing, that is, having a reliable counter indicator 😎 “

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    https://www.bitchute.com/video/gigUyK3yLtMU/
    MUST WATCH!!! FUNERAL DIRECTOR JOHN O’LOONEY BLOWS THE WHISTLE ON COVID

    Have we all seen this video, every one else has.

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    Dr Chris Martenson on Ivermectin safety, and comparison to Remdesivir, which is the only treatment allowed in the west. Would some of the attackers of IVM please come and defend this useless treatment, that our experts are happily doling out to very sick people? It’s a weird article, extolling remdesivir’s success, and then having it’s last 2 paras sounding diabolical. Please someone come and defend it, and our authority’s ignoring the WHO’s recommendations, which we always follow. We need some of your expertise in deciphering this. Why are we using it?? Why are our experts promoting it?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_blbVs8eBUk&t=224s

    “Remdesivir is a broad-spectrum antiviral originally developed to treat Ebola, but was ineffective. In preclinical work conducted at the University of North Carolina and Vanderbilt University before the pandemic, it had shown promise against a wide range of viruses, including coronaviruses. In Ebola it had been found to be safe but ineffective. But the data acquired in those trials helped move it to more advanced trials in COVID-19.

    That being said, about 25% of patients receiving it have severe side effects, including multiple-organ dysfunction syndrome, septic shock, acute kidney injury and low blood pressure. Another 23% demonstrated evidence of liver damage on lab tests.”
    !!!!!! Jees!

    https://www.biospace.com/article/data-from-gilead-s-compassionate-use-of-remdesivir-for-covid-19-looks-promising/

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    https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/310003

    CDC study: More than 99% of COVID victims had preexisting conditions
    Fear and anxiety can be deadly when it comes to COVID, new study finds, showing top risk factors for dying of the coronavirus.

    The overwhelming majority of adults hospitalized in the United States after being infected with the coronavirus suffered from one or more pre-existing conditions, a new study shows, with more than 99% of COVID patients who died having at least one pre-existing condition.

    https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2021/21_0123.htm
    Underlying Medical Conditions and Severe Illness Among 540,667 Adults Hospitalized With COVID-19, March 2020–March 2021

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    CHRIS

    A CO2 spike causes can 8 degree temp increase over 50 million years ago? What were the causes? It was approx 10 million years after the ELE that wiped out the dinosaurs. I would be very careful to believe this anomaly. Volcanoes may have had something to do with it, but I doubt it.

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    FWIW

    “CV19 Vaccines are Poison – Karen Kingston 9.18.21”

    https://rumble.com/vmn25w-cv19-vaccines-are-poison-karen-kingston-9.18.21.html

    “Pharmaceutical and medical device analyst Karen Kingston says that in 2016 the legal requirement of “informed consent” was effectively removed for drugs under an Emergency Use Authorization. (23:30- to 26:15)”

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    another ian

    “DELIBERATE Ignorance And Death by ‘Health Care’ ”

    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=243640

    More Fauci

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