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US Defence sent money to Wuhan lab to counter “Weapons of Mass Destruction” and helped create one?

What does the US Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) do? Fund research into deadly viruses that may leak.

How’s that Threat Reduction working out?

The US military was more closely involved than they let on. What kind of crazy pays adversaries to research deadly weapons?

Grants from the Pentagon included $6,491,025 from the Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) from 2017 to 2020 with the description: ‘Understanding the risk of bat-borne zoonotic disease emergence in Western Asia.’

The Grants were going to a group called EcoHealth Alliance which got $123 million in total from the US Government from 2013 – 2020. Indeed it got as much as 90% of its money from the US government. It’s almost a government department, but without the accountability.  It funneled some of that $123m to the Wuhan lab. The man running Eco Health — Dr Peter Daszak was the one who helped whip up the Lancet paper saying Covid was absolutely definitely natural —  about four weeks after most people first heard of the virus. The useless World Health Organisation then invited Daszak to come along on the “investigation into the origin of Covid” in China. Bravo U.N..  Daszak went on to thank Fauci in emails for supporting the “natural origin theory”. One nice friendly circle.

The US Defence Department has fingers on this from several angles.

Great work from The Daily Mail team:

The Pentagon gave $39 MILLION to Dr. Peter Daszak’s EcoHealth Alliance – the charity that funded coronavirus research at the Wuhan lab accused of being the source of the outbreak, federal data reveals

The Daily Mail

      • Federal data seen by DailyMail.com reveals The Pentagon gave $39 million to EcoHealth Alliance, which funded a lab in Wuhan, China, between 2013 and 2020
      • The Wuhan Institute of Virology is accused of being the source of Covid-19
      • The majority of the DoD funding came from the DTRA, a military branch with a mission to ‘counter and deter weapons of mass destruction and improvised threat networks’
      • Federal grant data assembled by independent researchers shows that the charity has received more than $123 million from the government in total
      • EHA also received $64.7 million from the US Agency for International Development (USAID)
      • EHA has also funded deeply controversial ‘gain of function’ experiments, where dangerous viruses are made more infectious to study their effect on human cells

The Deep State is far too deep:

In 2014 the Obama administration outlawed gain of function research, such as the experiments funded by EHA, after concerns were raised among scientists that it could lead to a global pandemic from a genetically enhanced virus escaping a lab.

But EHA reportedly continued to legally fund the practice, using a loophole that allowed for the research in cases ‘urgently necessary to protect the public health or national security.’

Is this the Greatest Own Goal Ever Scored?

Read the whole article

h.t Bill in AZ

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    Aloha! How is this a “charity”?

    The Pentagon gave $39 MILLION to Dr. Peter Daszak’s EcoHealth Alliance the charity that funded coronavirus research at the Wuhan lab accused of being the source of the outbreak, federal data reveals.

    How does it get charitable status? I would want that investigated. So many criminal complaints. Remember the tobacco class action lawsuit in the USA? Lets do a global class action action against the scientists and governments and media along with the WHO and UN who were harboring this criminal enterprise. The “discovery” would be world class like the OJ Trial!

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      Geoff Croker

      It could be a policy of China to send any US created viruses in China back to the USA.

      There appears to be a euthanasia agenda (kill the sick) supported by Democrats in the US. Mass murder has gone woke.

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        Greg Cavanagh

        Cuomo and Whitmer’s actions demonstrate your statement to be true.

        But Dr. Rachel Levine (you know, that guy looking girl doctor) removed her/his mother out of nursing homes while allowing everybody else’s parents to remain there to get covid19.

        Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
        Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

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        Aloha! But we followed the science! Next time the media needs to differentiate between “political science” and “CCP science” and then the original “scientific method science”!

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          Geoff Croker

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9IauaPnBVd4

          Population collapse will become a huge problem according to Musk.

          Meanwhile the world’s elite, aka spoiled children, want One World Government, as they try to wipe out half the worlds population via eugenics and euthanasia.

          It is ALWAYS ok to impose your will on someone else as long as you are free to do whatever you want via government edict.

          What do “our leaders” do? Agree to a minimum tax rate. Who benefits? Government. China cannot believe how stupid the west has become.

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    Tilba Tilba

    Instead of calling it the Chyna Virus, perhaps President Trump should have been calling it the “American Virus”. If true, it looks very much like an own goal, that neither Obama or Trump could prevent.

    You’d have to wonder how much say the much-demonised Dr Fauci really had in all this.

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      el gordo

      Australia demands compensation from Washington and Beijing.

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      John R Smith

      All pretzel minds reroute to Trump.

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        Ian

        “All pretzel minds reroute to Trump.”

        And in this instance quite rightly so too. The article does not mention that in 2014 Obama put the blockers on funding for gain-of function experiments and that the block was removed by Trump in 2017. As a result EHA received more than $123 million from the government from 2017 to 2020. If it does turn out that this virus is the result of gain-of -function manipulations Trump not Obama or Biden is to blame

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          mobihci

          so, i guess in your view the block did its job, and the loophole was never used.. maybe. but it was obama for some strange reason that lifted the moratorium just 11 days before trump took office. strange eh!

          https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/blog/2017/01/09/recommended-policy-guidance-potential-pandemic-pathogen-care-and-oversight

          from that document-

          “Adoption of these recommendations will satisfy the requirements for lifting the current moratorium on certain life sciences research that could enhance a pathogen’s virulence and/or transmissibility to produce a potential pandemic pathogen (an enhanced PPP).”

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            Ian

            Perhaps you should have read a little further or a little more widely

            “On 9 January 2017, the HHS published the “Recommended Policy Guidance for Departmental Development of Review Mechanisms for Potential Pandemic Pathogen Care and Oversight” (P3CO).[4] This report sets out how “pandemic potential pathogens” should be regulated, funded, stored, and researched so as to minimize threats to public health and safety.

            Perhaps you did not notice or chose not to mention that the document dated 9 january 2017 was only a Recommendation.

            The moratorium was not lifted until December 19 2017 after Trump had been president for nearly a year

            https://www.nih.gov/about-nih/who-we-are/nih-director/statements/nih-lifts-funding-pause-gain-function-research

            On 19 December 2017, the NIH lifted the aforementioned moratorium because it was deemed “important in helping us identify, understand, and develop strategies and effective countermeasures against rapidly evolving pathogens that pose a threat to public health.”[71]

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              ian hilliar

              And when Trump refused to further fund The Eco Health Alliance, to the tune of millions, all political hell broke loose (from the left) again…

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                Ian

                “And when Trump refused to further fund The Eco Health Alliance, to the tune of millions, all political hell broke loose (from the left) again”

                Trump in fact renewed the funding in July 2019. And there would have been no complaint from the political Right as the Republicans were scared to death of Trump’s vindictiveness.

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              Tel

              That’s a fascinating link. Signed off at the bottom by:

              Francis S. Collins, M.D., Ph.D.
              Director, National Institutes of Health

              Same guy, just recently claimed categorically (and as it turns out, falsely) that the USA never funded gain of function research in Wuhan.

              https://hughhewitt.com/nih-director-francis-collins-on-gain-of-function-research-at-nih-and-wuhan-lab/

              That’s downright weird when you think that the money pathway via Ecohealth Alliance is not even particularly indirect and this was the NIH Director, at front and center since Obama appointed him back in 2009.

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              mobihci

              I did read the whole thing, and what i gathered from it was that obama asked the bureaucracy to look at itself, and to enact a moratorium while it did, and from that point on there was little to no input from presidents. that document was their findings. if either obama, trump or biden were to say anything about this, it would have been taken as anti-science, making a stand against the experts etc. it was taken out of the realm of politics after being put in it by obama. good or bad? who knows.

              any bureaucracy, left leaning or right will attempt to regain power it loses from things like presidential orders etc, and this was no different. you can call them recommendations, but with a hostile bureaucracy and media it is the same as policy. read it again, and it is clear that this is the bureaucracy telling whoever is in power that this is the way it is, not the way it should be.

              the pretzel comment was a correct one, all roads lead to trump is just nonsense. every time you see a trump attack piece, you know it will be full of holes, and the conspiratorial minds of the left will constantly bypass facts to come to the same conclusion that trump is somehow involved, and in a negative way. i guess if you have enough loops in pretzels, they become crackers!

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                Tilba Tilba

                The pretzel comment was a correct one, all roads lead to trump is just nonsense. every time you see a trump attack piece, you know it will be full of holes, and the conspiratorial minds of the left will constantly bypass facts to come to the same conclusion that trump is somehow involved, and in a negative way. i guess if you have enough loops in pretzels, they become crackers!

                No-one said “all roads” lead to Trump – that is an absurd strawman.

                What is also absurd is trying to pin the US-funded lab-leak (if that is what happened, with or without GoF research) on some string including Obama, Fauci, Collins, and the bureaucracy generally, and erasing from the picture the role of the Trump Admin from 20 Jan 2017 to 20 Jan 2020, when the pandemic was launching.

                Perhaps you could then reconcile why Trump continued funding EHA and the Wuhan research for three whole years? Pretzels indeed.

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          John R Smith

          Demonstrated examples, small and large twist.

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          ralf ellis

          .
          Restrictions were not removed by Trump.
          Pompeo stated on TV that he strengthened the restrictions.

          That is why Fauci took the research to Wuhan and renamed it, so he did not have to mention gain-of-function…!
          R

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          David A

          I have seen zero evidence that President Trump personally knew or authorized anything about GOF research funds going to China. Apparently Obama knew.

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            Ian

            You’re probably correct That trump knew zero about GOF funding as his understanding of GOF was probably zero too.

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      Greg Cavanagh

      Dr Fauci was conducting this research on US soil when Obama outlawed it. He then moved his research offshore. I’d say he had 100% control over how much say he had in it.

      He even stated one month before the virus was released (either purposefully or accidently) that Trump would be hit by a pandemic of coronavirus.

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          David A

          I think there is almost zero chance Fauci acted alone without direction. Clearly he is a tool of the deep state, in love ( according to letters he wrote) with HRC. He was following directions.

          It is very possible that there was internal resistance to GOF research, ( we actually know there was) and so outlawing it was diplomatically required, and they immediately did a run around the law.
          “They” being Obama, and the statists looking to take down President Trump and national independent power. Was it all planned? Don’t know. If not it is an amazing example of “ never letting a crisis go to waste”. And there is evidence of thoughtful planning, and democide. We know from history that humans are capable of such evil actions.

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            ian hilliar

            “He was following directions” is the fascist/Nazi excuse for committing atrocities

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          David A

          “He was following directions “ is certainly not an excuse, just a very good reason to not be satisfied with him as a scapegoat.

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        MP

        There is an outbreak of an infectious disease every two years, so even I could make that claim and be correct.

        Not that I think that little weasel is innocent, just a fact.

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      cohenite

      It was all fauchi and his fellow swamp minions; they knew from the beginning what this was; and if they had fessed up and told everyone what it was I believe millions would have been saved and Trump would still be POTUS, crooked election not withstanding. But fauchi lies, protected his own bum, allowed 9 new billionaires to be created from some vaccines. Cuomo has thousands of deaths on his hands, fauci has millions. They both should be in prison instead they wrote books. Incidentally one only has to check wiki to see what was going on at the Wuhan lab:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuhan_Institute_of_Virology

      In 2015, an international team including two scientists from the institute published successful research on whether a bat coronavirus could be made to infect HeLa. The team engineered a hybrid virus, combining a bat coronavirus with a SARS virus that had been adapted to grow in mice and mimic human disease. The hybrid virus was able to infect human cells.[11][14]

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        Plain Jane

        Cohenite you are right, none of this has been hidden, most things that people get called conspiracy theorists over are all available as public knowledge on official websites. When folks talk about Agenda 21 other folks think they are nuts, but it has been official UN policy since 1992, now 2030, and the Great Global Reset is hardly a nutters theory – it is open. The pandemic = plandemic we have been told about by Fauci himself and it is in the scientific journals. Biden told us about his Electoral fraud organisation before the elections. Only those who cant read or google search can have had the globalist agenda hidden from them.

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    Pauly

    More a case of mad scientists ignoring any ethical basis for research directions. Of course they should have funded a lab in China! Got to keep unethical research at arms length for deniability. And does it really matter if a virus leaks from a lab in a foreign country? It won’t affect the US, right?

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      Serp

      Is that what our Chinese brethren are building on the back of the moon, a better isolated virology lab?

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        Custer Van Cleef

        I don’t know about the moon but it might be interesting to know what their plans are in Antarctica.
        That’s right, China’s building a base on the shore of the Ross Sea. (Could they please move the WIV down there? Easier to contain outbreaks etc. – just asking on behalf of 7.9 billion friends).

        To be fair, Italy are doing the same just along the coast, building a base … and further south the US has its own long-standing base.

        All revealed to me in a documentary called “Go Further South”, with 360 degree views from an ice-breaker (plus drone footage) … recommended to those who like wildlife and extreme but beautiful scenery … and have 12 hours to spare!

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      Leo G

      What does the US Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA) do? Fund research into deadly viruses that may leak.

      Looks that way. The agency apparently is confused about its role- thinks it’s the US Defence Reduction Threat Agency.

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    Kalm Keith

    The successfulness of the Suppression Media is highlighted by this post.
    Way back, early in the public life of the Pandemic, this information was raised and then was allowed to quietly fall back into obscurity.

    Now that it’s been resurrected we might ask what has happened to allow it back.

    On another tangent, does anyone know how many people have been “tested” or “vaccinated” for CV19?

    At $50 a pop that’s a lot of tax money that has drifted towards Pfizer Astrazeneca.

    What benefits have been given for that cash?

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      Serp

      Somewhere I read that by 2028 the top funds Vanguard, Black Rock and a handful of lesser fiscal leviathans will control all the world’s money.

      The global lockdown has benefitted only the biggest players as all our high streets with their For Lease signs up in a majority of shop windows attest; Amazon’s Bezos increased his wealth sixty percent (and that was weeks ago)! The consequences of theft on such a scale will play out soon enough; something to look forward to…

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        North Vega

        Sure is cheap, especially when you are given billions of taxpayer dollars to create the gene therapy vaccine, are not required to fully complete all human trials, then given an emergency use authorization versus FDA approval to collect payment, and to boot an immunity pass from lawsuits for any harm done to unsuspecting injection recipients.

        Not cheap for the taxpayers, but really cheap for all the new billionaires in the Pharmacy business and their buddies looking for a handout to push the vaccine only narrative. Still can’t get Ivermectin in the states without moving a mountain. I bet Big Pharna can’t wait for the required booster shots, and then a new mRNA gene therapy for a mutated strain versus just allowing Ivermectin early treatment.

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      MP

      The stake holder agreements between the manufacturers and the government are covered by a confidentiality agreement, the details are sealed (TPP in play).
      I think we have 150 million vials/shots? contracted, appears we over ordered, can’t get the cash back as the TPP has a clause that ensures they get paid in full if contracts are canceled.

      2015- signed up to the TPP
      2015 – signed up to the Paris accord
      2015- signed up to agenda 2030
      2015 – Quarantine act modified to include Medical marshal law

      If you only need one a year its a Goodyear, 2015 was monumental.

      All done by turncoat Turnbull and his lap dog and now Chancellor of the Australian National University, Australian chapter of the WEF, Julia Bishop.

      Qld’s own President Xi, Palacechook is partnering with the Gates to produce a micro needle delivery system. Don’t ask your government for any details on the deal, they are locked into the deal, it’s a stake holder deal and privacy clauses prevent disclosure, same as Morrisons deal with the Vaccine manufactures. This is what is called stake holder capitalism a joining of private industry, corporations and government. Morrison is virtually starting a task force for everything nowadays made up of private corporations, this is stake holder capitalism feeding off the tax payer teat.
      https://statements.qld.gov.au/statements/90979
      https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/labor-to-build-new-brisbane-facility-to-help-develop-needleless-vaccine-patch-20201004-p561vm.html
      NSW and South Australia are also building drenching manufactures. Cant build our own stuff, like cars and washing machines, got a hole lot of jabbing going on in our lives from now on.

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    Delusions about Who and China acting for the greater good led to bad choices throughout our government, justified at the time by noble pursuits while being called out by those who could see the harm that would result, intended or not. Now that the detractors are being proven more and more right every day, the coverup goes into overdrive and it will be this coverup that gets them in the end.

    We can only hope this is repeated regarding the IPCC and its claims to be acting for the greater good.

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    PeterS

    As I stated a long time ago, the swamp is much much bigger than most people think. It can’t be drained, not even by Trump.

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      Kevin kilty

      There is always a swamp; the church, nobility, bureaucracy, political insiders, security, educational system K-20+, …, always composed of insiders who abuse or cheat outsiders.

      The task at hand is not to drain the swamp but always to force its corruption into being too small to bother with. Trump was the agent of positive change in this regard, but the Republicans, as is their habit were too busy fighting with him to help, and the general public too lazy and ignorant to do much but vote. Well, we learned the truth of Mark Twain’s quip that if voting were important, then they wouldn’t let us do it. I think the general public are now alerted and will begin to take back government starting at the local level.

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        Raving

        Benefits you say? T’is the even bigger benfits from 3rd 4th and 5th booster shots

        A golden opportunity in the making

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        David Maddison

        The sentiments of that quip attributed to Mark Twain are true, but Twain himself didn’t say it. It is commonly misattributed to him because it is The sort of thing he would have said.

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      Lawrie

      Swamps like many ingredients but the most powerful is sunlight. The human swamp OTOH despises the light and that is why it is corrupt. As more light is shone on the nefarious activities of the bottom dwellers and their sycophants in the MSM the people will rebel and demand action. Trump is certainly the catalyst but in the end it will be the people who drain the swamp.

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        PeterS

        The people are not the answer to the world’s problems. Many people are deluded in believing man’s problems can be solved by man alone, or in increasing cases by demonic forces masquerading as aliens. Mankind’s long history shows we will always fail.

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          MP

          The people are the only answer to the problem. Words on a blog are achieving nothing.
          Get off your backsides and join the protests, you are one more person and the cause needs lots of ones.
          There is no other option, this is it. End game!

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            PeterS

            You don’t get it. People are the problem not the solution. If people were the solution we wouldn’t be in any mess thousands of years ago.

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              MP

              Lost me here.
              Our existence is the problem?

              The existence of people who think they have the right to rule over all others at any cost is the problem. We are in this mess because good people did nothing.

              People are not a problem they are the solution to the problem.

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                PeterS

                It’s not that complicated. It’s only complicated for those who don’t use critical thinking skills. We have problems today directly because people do not think before they vote.

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                MP

                And you still think voting makes a difference, same problem then!

                We will wait for Trump, the second coming, we will wait for someone else to fix it.

                The people united can never be defeated, numbers matter.

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                PeterS

                Well if you really believe voting can’t make a difference then we might as well dispense with elections. It’s that sort of logic the left would love people to adopt.

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                MP

                Just witnessed two of the worst contenders for the US presidential election (that low down the ladder one had fallen off the bottom) get installed into the highest offices in the land. You think that cannot happen here. Look into the CCP company running the QLD and Vic election software, from China, only one politician questioned this in QLD, One, that speaks volumes about the standard of opposition in QLD. Election is theater for the masses, part of the bread and circuses.

                Your “lefties” want nothing more than you to sit on your hands and do nothing, that’s the sort of logic they like.

                Blaming everyone else for something you are just as guilty of doing. Being “woke” and doing nothing is worse than what you accuse others of doing. Banging on, on a blog, complaining about others, while doing nothing yourself is no better.

                Join the protests and try and make a difference. it costs nothing!

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                PeterS

                Join the protest to make a difference? My point is not many do. People by and large don’t give a damn, clueless or can’t be bothered. We get the government we deserve.

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                MP

                Not many do because they have the exact same attitude as you. What’s worse, seeing something and doing nothing or seeing nothing and doing nothing?

                We get the government we are given to get.

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              oooh deep. So without people, we would have no problems and no we.

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    Kevin kilty

    I have no idea how to hold ecohealth alliance, or several U.S. Government agencies accountable, especially as the totalitarians in the tech media, and the mediocre minds in the old media work furiously to avoid anyone mentioning these problems. The extent to which all parties, including the U.S. Democratic party, have colluded to avoid the general population learning about this issue is simply sickening. However, COVID-19 has shown us in stark terms that letting all of these idiots continue may represent a civilizational threat.

    I read 90 pages of the total 140 in this document yesterday, which took me through the bulk of the strong evidence. It is a great piece of work, and even if Nicholas Wade’s article didn’t convince a person about the lab origin, then this should finish that task. Get the white paper on Steven Quay’s Bayesian analysis here.

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        Kevin kilty

        The article you reference was published on Feb 10, 2020 which is before Quay’s work. It also occurred at the time of maximum effort to distract attention from WIV. It is in reference to the work of a different researcher. Quays work contains none of the keywords in your post or in the article you reference. It contains no reference to the sequence name nor to pShuttle-SN. Quay looked at about two dozen pieces of evidence, of which you mention none at all. What you reference may be out of date, but seems to me to be mainly a distraction.

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          So he should not have included it.

          I didn’t even bother going into what he calls “Bayesian”. There was no analysis methods in the whole thing- all those percentages just appeared without any statistical error or confidences. It looks like he made up probabilities and multiplied them together.

          It’s junk.

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      Tilba Tilba

      I have no idea how to hold ecohealth alliance, or several U.S. Government agencies accountable, especially as the totalitarians in the tech media, and the mediocre minds in the old media work furiously to avoid anyone mentioning these problems. The extent to which all parties, including the U.S. Democratic party, have colluded to avoid the general population learning about this issue is simply sickening.

      Yes – I’ve been thinking about this too.

      Who has the biggest incentive (the most to gain) by running hard on the lab-funding then lab-leak “truth”? Donald Trump is in a difficult position … if he really didn’t know about NIH-Pentagon funding prior to Jan 2020, there is a strong argument his Admin should have. Similar questions arise for Dr Fauci – how much was he responsible for continued funding of EcoHealth for some years, and when did he really know that the lab-leak theory was not conspiracy nuttery, and maybe the most likely?

      And of course it was all in the context of a tight federal election … it’s quite reasonable to believe that Trump’s handling of the pandemic (basically down-playing it rather than going on a war footing) cost him his re-election.

      The American Government is in a really difficult position – if it’s actually demonstrated they have facilitated a world-wide pandemic. It’s quite easy for lots of people to draw a conclusion that without ongoing US funding, there would have been no lab-leak and no pandemic. Trump demanding that China pay the world $10 trillion in “reparations” is starting to sound a little hollow.

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    OriginalSteve

    So people need to realize as PeterS says, that its humanity vs the globalists.

    The other stark ugly but if info that makes people squirm us that it appears there was funding from places like the US to fund the Na*ies, and in many cases make money from both sides in the last world war. This demonstrates a complete lack of ethical behaviour, but also assuming such activity continues, a willingness by same powerful families to exploit all humanity fir thier own profit. Lets assume they also own govts, the UN and biotech companies and what do you have?

    It appears not only are tame govts happy to get you jabbed with a profit maker, but hey, if a billion die…yeah ..well so what….

    Its evil however you want to spin it.Good people fight and die in thier wars created often for profit, but their propaganda makes it sound “honourable” etc etc.

    This is just another global “shooting fish in a barrel”…

    Dont play thier game.

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      OriginalSteve

      Sorry… what I meant to say is that PeterS is saying its a bigger problem than anyone imagines – not “humanity vs the globalists”, ive accidentally merged 2 lines of thought there, sorry Peter. The rest of the comment is my thoughts only.

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      PeterS

      In a nutshell, the vast majority are still asleep, don’t give a damn, clueless and/or can’t be bothered to make a difference through the ballot box or on the street. In that sort of environment is it any wonder we get the governments we have? As usual people do eventually react but not until there is a lot of pain. Most people are not in pain at the moment. We are still the so called lucky country in many ways, but not for much longer.

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    dp

    Long on supposition, thin relationships, and conjecture, the only thing this article lacks is evidence.

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      Kevin kilty

      Uh huh. Get the white paper from the link in comment #4.

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        dp

        Bayesian filters don’t create data. They create an analysis which the objective process owner then needs to evaluate interactively to train the filter. I use two of them daily and they are frequently wrong even with 15 years of training them. Because they are very dependant upon the objectivity of the process owner I’m not interested in the bayes method output so much as what was used to train it.

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        Kevin kilty

        Sorry, dp. I have no idea what you are talking about with this Bayesian filter, but the white paper link is in #7.

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          MP

          The Bayesian’s where a clan from the Algerian mountain area, they developed a means of filtering stagnant water for their dry season.
          This technology was lost through the times and rediscovered in archaeological digs in the early 20th century.
          Scientists replicated the filter and named it the Bayesian filter in honour of the natives.

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          dp

          That link is a link to a Bayesian analysis – it is a computer generated report using a Bayes theorem algorithm. Did you not read it?

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    Bozotheclown

    NGO’S are a big problem. Federal funding of them is distribution of pork with a capital P.

    “Ecohealth Alliance” sounds so warm and fuzzy right? I wonder if they have a Twitty page that still works? If they were “Donating” to research on nuclear weapons would it still feel warm and fuzzy?

    On the other hand, maybe Twitty was right to shut down voices that said China did it. Turns out maybe we did it after all.

    Is there such a thing as a class action wrongful death suit?

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    Murray Shaw

    One can only wonder what Obama knew about this as he stopped the research, but then Fauci ramped it back up again shortly before or after the inauguration of Donald Trump.
    Two, what did Fauci tell Trump?

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    Geoffrey Williams

    ‘US Defense sent money to Wuhan’
    Something doesn’t add up here – $123 million over 7 years is peanuts to a country like China.
    They spend more than that on chopsticks !! Whats going on I have to ask . .
    GeoffW

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      el gordo

      Do you think it plausible that the Americans released the virus into the Wuhan fish market?

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    ian hilliar

    The Peter Daszak et al letter to the Lancet was used by all to condemn (as conspiracy nuts) all who believed it was a leak from the Wuhan Lab. It stated that none of the authors had any pecuniary interests in the facts. Ho Ho Ho… I did mention at the time that I wondered how someone had got five top virologists together so quickly, from all over the world , to make such a categorical statement. Now we all know. And one of the authors has asked to have their name removed from the letter. But , is it in the MSM, apart from Fox media, which we are all told is how Mr Murdoch controls the world ??? Shame about the Lancet , which is now run by a senior editor who has published editorials attempting to recruit young (and naive) doctors to Climate Rebellion, and , of course, THE fraudulent study on hydroxychloroquine, which stopped further research on an excellent early treatment and prophyllaxis for Covid 19. The Lancet, and the NYT, have definitely moved with the Times.

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      Tilba Tilba

      The Peter Daszak et al letter to the Lancet was used by all to condemn (as conspiracy nuts) all who believed it was a leak from the Wuhan Lab. It stated that none of the authors had any pecuniary interests in the facts. Ho Ho Ho… I did mention at the time that I wondered how someone had got five top virologists together so quickly, from all over the world , to make such a categorical statement.

      I recall reading it at the time. I’m generally very allergic to conspiracy theories, but I found the “letter” the most blatantly unscientific screed I’d read in a very long time. It wasn’t just trying to spin – it was actually intimidating. Peter Daszak might well be a multi-millionaire with a mansion in the Hamptons, but I do hope he gets nailed to the wall over this.

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        Tel

        There might be a few things we agree on … I have no problem with Peter Daszak being wealthy, but seems like most of his money was extracted from the US taxpayer and yes he should be scrutinized very closely for his part in both funding gain of function and then covering up the details of what was happening in the Wuhan Lab. He clearly did have “pecuniary interests” and he lights up all the danger flags:

        * Environmentalist loon.
        * Public health nutter.
        * Long term big-government junkie.
        * Close associate of Shi Zhengli.
        * History of collecting dangerous pathogens.
        * Close connections to the World Health Organization.

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    Raving

    Good thing we are just talking about covid. People and the diseases they keep has a long tradition

    ‘Devil devil’: The sickness that changed Australia https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2021-06-07/patient-zero-smallpox-outbreak-of-1789/100174988

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      el gordo

      From the evidence available the British decided to reduce the indigenous population. The locals at Port Jackson were becoming hostile and they outnumbered the new arrivals by a large margin, so the authorities released a weapon of mass destruction at Manly.

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        Serp

        A link to the evidence would be appropriate when making a claim which contradicts Governor Phillip’s actual behaviour.

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          el gordo

          Yes your honour, we argue that the outbreak 15 months after the arrival of Europeans is indicative of a desperate act.

          The ‘variolas matter’ was brought to Sydney for an innocent purpose and withstood a wide range of temperatures and humidity to remain lethal.

          The Governor was part of the Enlightenment, but the new colony was starving and greatly outnumbered on the other side of the world. If the journey there wasn’t bad enough, they thought it only a matter of time before this outpost of Empire would be consigned to history as a failed experiment.

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        C. Paul Barreira

        Your first chore is to prove that the disease came with the first settlers. My understanding, based on an unpublished paper I read many years ago, is that it could not travel the distance in that time. The smallpox outbreak was thus attributable to the existing trade routes, probably beginning on the shores of the Gulf of Carpentaria, having come there from the Asian mainland.

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        ian hilliar

        Ahem….. El Gordo, you are aware that Governor Phillip was speared in the shoulder , whilst being rowed over to Manly to observe the locals feasting on a beached whale ? They had temporarily laid down their weapons , and invited all the other tribes around for the Big Barbie equivalent, but the whities had not been invited to the party…. And that our Governor ,knowing he did not have an invite, ordered that no retaliation be taken by his armed escort, and ordered them to row him back to circular quay. Not the sort of action that a genocidal commander would be likely to have taken ,?

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          el gordo

          Phillip was speared by a man from Broken Bay, it was payback time for the pandemic.

          https://peopleaustralia.anu.edu.au/biography/arabanoo-1711

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            ian hilliar

            el gordo; Have read Tench and Hunter, but do not follow. Why do you state that Arabanoo was from Broken Bay?

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              el gordo

              Arabanoo had already died from smallpox by the time Philip was speared, nothing to do with the man from Broken Bay. He had come south on hearing that half the population of their homeland had been wiped out in a mysterious way, none of the white people died.

              So when Phil turned up, the aim was to maim him but not kill. That is what payback is all about.

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      ian hilliar

      Yep. Just as well they were only performing gain of function experiments with coronavirus, and not Ebola. Unless it is still in Fauci’s pipeline…..

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    William Astley

    I think Fauci will become the fall guy. Fauci is an advocate for Gain of Function Research.

    Gain of function research is making deadly viruses more deadly and contagious…. Using lab animals who have been genetically modified to enable them to replicate human cell response and immune system response. This is required to enable ‘researchers’ to make virus that do not exist in nature… And to teach those viruses that do not exist in nature how to defeat the human immune system.

    Evolution takes time. Covid skipped the evolution part where if it was natural it would have circulated in a less deadly form in the general human population (Like the Spanish flu). Covid has designed in a lab and using a super computer and virus emulation/human immune system software. Covid is a state of the art sneaky virus.

    Covid has made using Gain of Function Research techniques.

    What are the 10 most impossible things for that the Natural Theory of Origin of Covid to explain? Is there any physical evidence that covid is natural? Any?

    Covid is so super contagious, it would be impossible to hide its super contagious earlier form. What was the nature source for the covid spike molecule? And when did the spike protein form with the over covid part viruses? And all of the covid virus parts had to join to become covid…. The most transmittable and most highly novel feature virus known to ‘science’

    When did that happen? The alternative and only physically possible alternative is that covid has designed in a lab by a smart group of people. Covid is over the top highly effective.

    Newly emerging viruses are not highly infectious because they have not circulated in the human population.

    Covid was super contagious from day 1. And covid become exponentially more infectious with time. Covid look like it was designed and it performed exactly as designed.

    Physical viruses can only gain their ability to defeat the human immune system by circulating through the human population.

    New deadly viruses like Ebola do not have the smart evolved chemical machinery that defeats the general human immune response and the ability to replicate in the human body super effectively like covid.

    It is physically impossible for covid to have formed, naturally, from different virus parts and including the spike protein …….. With a poof of smoke and a lightening bolt from a God in the Sky.

    The covid spike molecule which has never been seen circulating in nature…. ….gives covid the novel feature of being able to pass through the blood brain barrier to enable covid to cause brain damage.

    There is other hard evidence that covid is manmade. It appears the Covid Virus code has an exact piece of code from the HIV virus.

    Covid has a virus library set of features. The viruses selected give covid it deadly features.

    https://www.gilmorehealth.com/chinese-coronavirus-is-a-man-made-virus-according-to-luc-montagnier-the-man-who-discovered-hiv/
    “With my colleague, bio-mathematician Jean-Claude Perez, we carefully analyzed the description of the genome of this RNA virus,” explains Luc Montagnier, interviewed by Dr. Jean-François Lemoine for the daily podcast at Pourquoi Docteur, adding that others have already explored this avenue:

    Indian researchers have already tried to publish the results of the analyses that showed that this coronavirus genome contained sequences of another virus, … the HIV virus (AIDS virus), but they were forced to withdraw their findings as the pressure from the mainstream was too great.

    …No, “says Luc Montagnier,” in order to insert an HIV sequence into this genome, molecular tools are needed, and that can only be done in a laboratory.”

    Nobel prize winner Prof Montagnier says that to insert HIV sequences “can only be done in a lab”:
    The Coronavirus Is Man Made According to Luc Montagnier

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      Kalm Keith

      Sorry, hit the wrong button, see green.

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      Tilba Tilba

      Thanks William Astley – very informative post.

      I think Fauci will become the fall guy. Fauci is an advocate for Gain of Function Research. Gain of function research is making deadly viruses more deadly and contagious.

      I still don’t understand WHY any nation would want to produce virus that are more deadly and more contagious – within the realm of medical research of course … I’m not meaning bioweapons. Do you produce more deadly and more contagious strains just so you can develop vaccines against them? Is that the point?

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    Ross

    So Donald Trump was giving the CCP ( and China) a really hard time. Implementing tariff wars, writing nasty tweets about them etc. No doubt some of those trade policies were starting to perhaps bit hard on the Chinese economy back in early 2019. Brains trust in the CCP ask for some suggestions as to how China can fight back. There’s a bloke down the back of the room with glasses and a lab coat on and he puts his hand up. “Dear leader I have the perfect solution. Down at the WIV we have basically a flu virus with some added functions. Given some lead time we could strategically release the virus allowing it to infect the US and all major western countries. The good news is to protect ourselves we already have a vaccine developed which we can use to compulsory jab our citizens. Then even better news- the US helped fund this virus and OUR vaccine at the same time. Hence, when the poo poo hits the fan we can blame the US. Lets pick Wuhan as the release city. Lets fake up some media with dead bodies in the street and instant hospitals etc and get our army of social media bots to broadcast it. Put out some junk science regarding the origins of the virus which will slow down the western science community. Lets implement anti pandemic measures which are totally opposite to the present WHO guidelines. So all the non pharmaceutical measures. Let’s lockdown the citizens, make them all wear face masks, close schools, restrict travel and maybe try that social distance thingy. You know the one that’s never really ever been proven. If we do it with all the fake publicity no doubt all the Western nations will just slavishly copy us. We already have the WHO in our back pocket, they wont do anything. Let it run in our country for a while then close everything down momentarily with mass vaccinations or other measures. Show smoke from funeral pyres. In Wuhan there’s a couple hundred deaths per day anyway, no-one will notice the difference. We rebound our economy quickly while most of the western world, particularly the US have stalled. Take at least 9 moths to get it up and running. Whatcha reckon , good idea?”

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      Tilba Tilba

      Whatcha reckon , good idea?

      LOL … that’s why I have such an allergic reaction to conspiracy theories – they require a thousand dominoes to fall in just the right way in just the right place. Easy to “re-construct” in retrospect, but impossibly hard to detail, plan, and execute in real time.

      However you left out “We start this in about December – Trump being Trump will deny, lie, obfuscate, and procrastinate. By the time he realises he’s been conned, the pandemic is up to his armpits and it’ll be way too late … he’ll lose re-election, and it’s likely Hunter’s dad – you remember Hunter, from that BIG weekend in Macau? – Hunter’s dad will be the new prez, so we get a twofer.”

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    Serge Wright

    It’s now becoming a bit clearer as to why the government are trying to invent a UFO scare to distract from the main game, but do they really think people are that stupid ?. Ok, maybe Democrat voters that believe in the CC emergency, 100% RE, gender is changeable, Marxism, GND, ETC…, but NOT everyone else.

    Fauci is the fall guy and they don’t want this story to run any deeper. The funding began in 2013 under Obama so it’s understandable why the Dems are not comfortable about where this could lead. Let’s wait to see if their big Tech mates are told to hit the cancel button.

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    Classic Globalism.
    Is this not how “outsourcing” was supposed to work?

    The “brilliant ” design work is done in the West and the lowly production carried out in the East,by the lowest possible bidder…

    Which might explain the utter panic and over the top knee jerk reaction of our bureaucrats with respect to the Dread Covid.

    Let us speculate.
    Assume the virus was designed by our “experts”,its characteristics built to our specification and the design computer models all agree..”Its a beauty,guaranteed to kill off the Old,The infirm and spread beautifully from person to person..

    The Computer Models Predict MASS DEATH..This is important,as we all know how “The Science” depends on GIGO for our fearless Leaders..
    Garbage IN Gospel Out.

    Now the prototype run went off the rails in China..
    The poor virus is now being built to Western Government Spec by Chinese Government Contractors,in a Laboratory Designed by the French and abandoned by them when the Chinese Government Contractors were 2 years beyond completion date..
    So the prototype is a wet squib of what the design called for..

    And then it gets out.
    Very likely due to poor waste water handling(Building sewage going straight into city drains?) or Lab Security/hygiene levels run at “Good Enough for Government”.
    Either is possible,especially in a Lab built with contractors cutting corners to complete the job and then being used to carry out paid experiments on behalf of Western Agencies..

    Too Crazy?
    Or all too likely?

    Because from the beginning,our government response has been hysterical,their terror toward the Dread Covid has defied all the evidence to date..
    They abandoned their very own “Pandemic Response Plan,untried.
    And went straight to Mass Hysteria.

    Is this due to it being their own design,for which they “knew” how potent it would be,cause the Godly Computer Programme said so?

    And even in the face of the evidence,the madness continues..
    Almost as if they cannot believe the real world shows their Computer Models to be incorrect.
    The Dread Covid is going to kill us all,none can be immune,it is the worst ever..Because Our Computer Models Say So,The Design was perfect!.
    “There is no way those off the shelf drugs can work,we designed it to be resistant”..

    Fire them all is far too merciful an approach to idiots who thought “Gain of Function Research” is a great was to spend tax payers money.
    And I have no capacity to forgive idiots who were oath sworn to defend and protect the rights,freedoms and decencies that make civilization possible.
    Every Level of Government has failed.
    Almost by design.

    Covid-19 has been a true revelation.

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      OriginalSteve

      “Every Level of Government has failed.
      Almost by design.”

      And this is the point. The hysteria and people running around with thier hair on fire you mention appears to be specifically to panic the sheeple into taking the jab.

      Covid appears to created to drive people towards the vaccine.

      In terms of its level of danger to humans, its not particularly high.

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        PeterS

        Correct. People are scared into taking the vaccine but are not yet scared about the host of other things our governments are doing to the detriment of our nation, such as reducing our emissions for some fake threat. Wait until things go pear shaped then watch people get angry as they start feeling the pain. At the moment we still have a very comfortable existence compared to most of the world’s population.

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    PeterPetrum

    Sharrie Markson of the Australian has really nailed the whole story of this scandale. She has had several major articles in the Australian and I note today she is quoted in the Epoch Times. She has a book coming out later this your with the full story of this corruption.

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    another ian

    FWIW

    “We are now looking at Mass Murder on an unfathomable scale!”

    https://catallaxyfiles.com/2021/06/07/we-are-now-looking-at-mass-murder-on-an-unfathomable-scale/

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    Br0ady

    Jo
    Your ‘Monkey with a Computer’ has in my opinion nailed the reason effective therapy is being denied by the Vaccine promoters.

    The issue of an Emergency Use Authorization by the FDA.

    Under section 564 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (FD&C Act), when the Secretary of HHS declares that an emergency use authorization is appropriate, FDA may authorize unapproved medical products or unapproved uses of approved medical products to be used in an emergency to diagnose, treat, or prevent serious or life-threatening diseases or conditions caused by CBRN threat agents when certain criteria are met, including there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives.

    Probably similar in Australia where our states require Emergency declarations to use a therapy that is only approved for emergency use by the TGA. Hence the shutdowns to justify these declarations

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      Agreed. EUA is key. But also, if people don’t get so sick, there is less urgency to vax or pump money into other antivirals and research as well.

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        Broadie

        Thanks Jo
        I am like a child only I would prefer to be heard and not seen.
        I am happy to bring these things to your attention for you to promote or destroy at your leisure.
        The guy in sunglasses has been the only person to draw anything close to a logical conclusion from what happened in Las Vegas. Quite similar to how Steve McIntyre dissected the gas attack in Syria and Thomas Wictor the kids killed in the Palestine.
        I just hope the drug companies were pushing these Emergency trials for profit and not any other reason.

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    David Maddison

    Here is a short 54 sec comment from Dr Dev Zelenko on the topic.

    https://youtu.be/Zqd4cDF5pHM

    He was an early pioneer of HCQ treatment according to protocols he established. He was an advisor to President Trump and it was on his advice that the President promoted HCQ as an early stage treatment option in accordance with the Zelenko Protocols:

    https://faculty.utrgv.edu/eleftherios.gkioulekas/zelenko/index.html

    Millions have died unnecessarily because the Left censored this approach when there wasn’t even the “vaccine” available. It was censored just so the Left could deny Trump having helped people with this treatment or prophylaxis option (even made illegal in Australia). Of course, the millions killed by the National Socialists and International Socialists proves again that the Left are unconcerned about human life.

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      Ross

      Surprised to see Dr Zelenko again. Thought he had been cancelled, kicked off social media etc.etc but great to see him back. Unfortunately for Zev he was an easy target for the antagonists. He is Jewish and his appearance wasn’t amenable for the masses on MSM. He actually could have been a Nobel prize winner. I remember watching interviews and blogs etc of a number of doctors pioneering HCQ ( +Zn+VItD+ antibiotics etc) and thought “Wow, isn’t medical science great”. My view these days is somewhat more jaded.

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        Greg Cavanagh

        Also, as soon as the virus was spreading fast, I think it was Taiwan, started using HCQ to treat patients. They, being so close to China, often catch those same diseases soon after China does. I read that they used it for the other outbreaks, Swine Flue, Bird Flue, Sars, and simply used it again to treat this covid variant. That’s where it really started.

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      David Maddison

      Dr Zelenko said this on Twitter, some time before they banned him…

      I’d rather die on my feet with my face exposed than live on my knees with my face covered by tyranny. Fear has been used to manipulate us, I vomit on the medical “experts”, ruthless politicians, big-pharmacy greed, the whore media, and godless Marxists/CCP.

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      Curious George

      Any idea how this approach works in India and Brazil?

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    Flok

    It appears that there are too many fingers in the pie and it is starting to show cracks. Derailing science that should be focused on how the virus originates in bats and prevent it.

    Age old saying “the truth always surfaces”, and it does so from the muddy waters of lies and cover-ups.

    One question is relevant to charities and their role in everyday life. Are they part of the establishment to wash and launder money?

    Lets look at the home grown research of humans attempting to play God. CSIRO attempt to introduce herpes virus to kill introduced carp species.

    https://www.csiro.au/en/research/animals/pests/the-carp-challenge

    Bat $1t crazy idea to introduce a virus into a body water full of hundreds of biological species to kill just one?

    What could go wrong?

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    Bruce

    Lots of loot sloshing around there.

    Who got the “spillage”?

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    Broadie

    Sorry Jo,

    I went too early on the John E Hoover youtube teaser

    The Emergency Use Authority for these ‘Vaccines’ and the tests apparently violate US Code.

    Not because of HCQ & Invermectin, but because they approved Fauci’s Remdesivir.

    Could be expensive for those drug companies. Looks like they tried the fridge gas / Montreal protocol and it has cost many people more than just a new fridge.

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      Lucky

      Right! Remdesivir was approved by the FDA. They approved it to do that job. The emergency use excuse for the vaccination cannot be used with the existence of remdesivir.
      Who regulates the FDA and when can see them in the dock?

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    MP

    In an article published in Nature Medicine on 9 November, scientists investigated a virus called SHC014, which is found in horseshoe bats in China. The researchers created a chimaeric virus, made up of a surface protein of SHC014 and the backbone of a SARS virus that had been adapted to grow in mice and to mimic human disease. The chimaera infected human airway cells — proving that the surface protein of SHC014 has the necessary structure to bind to a key receptor on the cells and to infect them. It also caused disease in mice, but did not kill them.

    https://www.nature.com/news/engineered-bat-virus-stirs-debate-over-risky-research-1.18787

    Dr Shi Zhengli, Wuhan institute of Virology. Studied the Corana virus specifically the Gain of Function of the CoV at the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill in 2014
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220300528

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      https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985

      30 March 2020 Editors’ note, March 2020: We are aware that this article is being used as the basis for unverified theories that the novel coronavirus causing COVID-19 was engineered. There is no evidence that this is true; scientists believe that an animal is the most likely source of the coronavirus.

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        MP

        Yeah the 2020 add on, the debate is on US influences in the virus. As shown gain of function was done.
        An experiment that created a hybrid version of a bat coronavirus.

        How do you do that blue quote thingy?

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          regarding gain of function. No one contests the possibility as the technology and know how exist, as shown in your publication. However, for sars-cov2 there is no evidence.

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            MP

            No evidence found does not mean no evidence exists or was even looked for.

            Its the editors 2020 add in, I am supposed to believe his opinion, why?

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              NO. It is looked for as viral geneticists have analysis pipelines they can throw new genomes into. In fact, it would leap out of many of the analyses already done.

              I’ll see if I can find any mention of this.

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                I found 10 publications that look at the whole genome – this is a sampler. The simplification is that comparative genomics (phylogenetics) pulls out anomalies caused by insertions, deletions, mutations that don’t fit with the evolutionary patters. If a particular part of a gene does not fit the pattern it can be isolated and examined to see why. These papers are whole genome studies and represent the tip of the iceberg when compared with the more targetted use of such methods in many of the thousands of papers that have come out on the virus looking at specific functional regions of the virus.

                Turakhia, et al 2021 TI Ultrafast Sample placement on Existing tRees (UShER) enables real-time phylogenetics for the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic NATURE GENETICS DI 10.1038/s41588-021-00862-7

                Machado etal 2021 Fundamental evolution of all Orthocoronavirinae including three deadly lineages descendent from Chiroptera-hosted coronaviruses: SARS-CoV, MERS-CoV and SARS-CoV-2 CLADISTICS DI 10.1111/cla.12454

                Chen et al 2021 Genomic and evolutionary comparison between SARS-CoV-2 and other human coronaviruses JOURNAL OF VIROLOGICAL METHODS DI 10.1016/j.jviromet.2020.114032

                Sallard et al 2021 Tracing the origins of SARS-COV-2 in coronavirus phylogenies: a review ENVIRONMENTAL CHEMISTRY LETTERS DI 10.1007/s10311-020-01151-1

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                MP

                I understand a little about your area, but it is clever stuff.

                My understanding is the PCR amplifies a fragment by annealing and doubling, you end up with a scrambled egg of sorts, you then put the egg into a computer program and it should unscramble it. The program does not know what an unscrambled egg should be, so you have templates of virus’s as instructions for the computer to unscramble it into?

                If there is no template for this virus, how does it create one? How are they constructed into

                The first link I get nothing, but the second I get…….. if this is how you people talk it must be lonely at the dinner table

                We used gene annotations to align orthologous sequences for total evidence analysis under the parsimony optimality criterion. Deltacoronavirus and Gammacoronavirus were set as outgroups to understand spillovers of Alphacoronavirus and Betacoronavirus among ten orders of animals. We corroborated that Chiroptera-hosted viruses are the sister group of SARS-CoV, SARS-CoV-2 and MERS-related viruses. Other zoonotic events were qualified and quantified to provide a comprehensive picture of the risk of coronavirus emergence among humans. Finally, we used a 250 SARS-CoV-2 genomes dataset to elucidate the phylogenetic relationship between SARS-CoV-2 and Chiroptera-hosted coronaviruses.

                How am I to get my head around that. But I see Deltacoronavirus makes a show here and the rest of the alphabet family. These are all also brain wave frequencies (Alpha,Beta,Delta,Gama) is there a relationship to these?

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                sort of. Whole genome sequencers don’t use PCR as such – PCR bowed out of that area about 20 years ago when the human genome project was complete.

                But yes. The little pieces overlap so can be joined even with no knowledge of whatever it is you are studying. The method produces the genome many times over so you can reduce the possible errors in creating the contig (contiguous sequence) to a bare minimum. There are many algorithms for cross checking to see if the final product makes sense based on accumulated knowledge (and this is vast data sets handled by supercomputers)

                At the end you can blindly put your sequence into the global data-base and see what you find.

                I am not a CV expert but I believe that the delta coronaviruses referred to are a group of viruses (species, genera or something – virus taxonomy is difficult) and are not a strain (e.g. delta) of the covid19 virus.

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                MP

                (and this is vast data sets handled by supercomputers)

                (who’s the man)
                I was reading that in your link.

                Just strange they follow suit, in the BWF there is no Charlie or Echo etc, as is with the covid???

                If there is no Genome sequence in the data base for reference, does the computer program start adding bits from other sequences until it gets a match? I mean if it does not exist how is it brought into existence?
                I have been looking into the unscrambling program, I am stuck on the salesman’s pitch of these programs. (Got to dumb it way down for me)
                Thanks for the effort here, I am genuinely interested. (though it may be to use it against you :))

                Knock off time, (for you) read you tomorrow.

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                MP

                If your still about, A B D G are genera.
                https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/cla.12454?af=R
                The second link, I am having a crack at, couple of things popped out,

                Unique furin cleavage site?
                Note that SARS-CoV-2 has a unique furin cleavage site insertion (PRRA) that is not found in any other CoVs in the Sarbecovirus group. The PRRA motif is in positions 681 to 684 of the surface glycoprotein (YP_009724390.1). This motif is absent in all other coronavirus genomes except SARS-CoV-2.

                Finally, despite a confusing array of reports confirming (Lam et al., 2020; Xiao et al., 2020; Zhang et al., 2020) and denying (Liu et al., 2020a) the pangolin origin of SARS-CoV-2 on small datasets, we can clearly say that, based on our analyses of large datasets both in terms of taxonomic and genomic sampling, pangolin-hosted (Manis javanica) CoVs are side events that are not part of the origins of SARS-CoV-2 infections in the human population.

                China link,

                Our phylogenetic analyses consistently point to the bat-hosted coronavirus RaTG13 (NCBI GenBank accession number MN996532) as the sister taxon to the SARS-CoV-2 clade. This bat-hosted coronavirus was sequenced from a faecal swab taken from a Rhinolophus affinis bat located in China. That information by itself strongly suggests that SARS-CoV-2 originated from China. No new data have been released that changed this result.

                The 6th great extinction will be your lot slaughtering suspected COV 19 hosts, so far Minks, Chivet cats, Pangolin, (the Pangolin theory goes out with the bath water) and that’s just one paper!

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                If there is no Genome sequence in the data base for reference, does the computer program start adding bits from other sequences until it gets a match?

                No. But I think we are confusing two things.

                Constructing the sequence in the lab is mostly done without reference to an external database and is aided by whatever info you might have beforehand. For example if you know there are 4 chromosomes that will assist the algorithms. Nothing arbitrary is added or subtracted

                Sequence alignment methods against a data base find best matches. They do not change the data of anything but they can visually display how the alignment is optimized

                e.g

                Species1 GGAAAACC-TTAAG
                Species2 G-GAAACCCTTAAG

                Consensus GNPuAAACCNTTAAG

                the alignment inserts gaps but there are no gaps in the original

                My consulting rates go up considerably at this point.

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                MP

                I have been waiting for the bill.

                Other three papers, just gave me a headache, I will stop now.

                Cheers

                Except the magnet test on the next thread, you got to do that.

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            MP

            No evidence found does not mean no evidence exists or was even looked for.

            Test

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            Kevin kilty

            Go have a look at my link in comment #7 and then tell me there is no evidence. Tell us what Dr. Quay is missing.

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            Broadie

            However, for sars-cov2 there is no evidence

            Question GA,

            If you tested for something and you found it to be absent in ~99% of cases where you believe it should exist. Is the hypothesis incorrect or does the test have too large a margin of error? Or heaven forbid, are you just plain wrong?

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        John Hultquist

        Gee,
        Do you realize this is now June 2021?
        But thanks for pointing out that those editors are aware folks are watching.
        If they think they might end up in a court of law, they may become better editors.
        John

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          you want daily updates? Or perhaps, just perhaps, they thought instead of regularly updating they’d only update if something new came along that made them need to update. Silly editors.

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            Lucky

            The decision to add the update was quite sensible, for the editors, it was to establish the journal firmly on the deepstate side.

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        ian hilliar

        And now it is June 2021, and the fact checkers are starting to admit that, yes, the virus could have been manufactured and leaked from the Wuhan lab, and , yes, Peter Daszak and Anthony Fauci do have conflicts of interest……

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        Lucky

        Article published 9-November-2015 with the update about unverified theories added in an editor’s note dated 30-March-2020.

        Now Gee Aye did give us the March 2020 date, at that time the leak from the wet market hypothesis was being put out by msm and deepstate.

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      dp

      I think if I were a clever president of a first world nation and learned a novel virus has popped up that is capable of causing a pandemic I’d want my scientists to examine every aspect of that virus including gain of function. And I’d do this as a strategic defense activity so that we would have a remedy available (vaccine) in case our enemies weaponize that virus. A lazy dolt like Biden and other stupid people would wait for evidence of a weaponized virus rather than proactively researching the dangerous possibilities resulting from it being weaponized by others. And they would be months behind the 8-ball as a result.

      The paper in #7 is not evidence. It was run against data collected (email) in 2020. It does not reflect the adaption of the experts to the changing scope of the pandemic. In December of 2019 we had no predictive data available and we had no good known-safe pharmaceautical options. We had Pandemic 101 rules – masks, isolation, lock downs to prevent the uncontrolled spread. As we learned more and developed safe pharma responses the politicos adjusted the Pandemic 101 rules, little by little, easing restrictions. If someone knows a better way I’d like to hear it. I would have shut down all air travel, personally, because that simple step could have flattened the curve subtantially. Here in Washington State where the first US case arrived we know it arrived on an airplane. Well no s__t, Sherlock.

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    another ian

    Seems lots of money went that way

    “FAUCI FUNDED COVID WITH $123MILLION OF TAXPAYER FUNDS”

    https://richardsonpost.com/jim-hoft/22110/fauci-funded-covid-with-123million-of-taxpayer-funds/

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    another ian

    A Premier’s List?

    “Reminder, The Chinese Communist Party List of U.S. Governors They Can Influence
    June 6, 2021 | Sundance | 76 Comments”

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2021/06/06/reminder-the-chinese-communist-party-list-of-u-s-governors-they-can-influence/

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    deplorable lord kek

    at gateway pundit: Virologist Who Told Dr. Fauci Coronavirus Was Likely Engineered and Got Paid After Backtracking on Claims – Just Deleted 5,000 Tweets — Then DELETED ENTIRE ACCOUNT

    link

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    another ian

    From a comment at SDA

    “Best summary of the Fauci’s role with the Wuhan lab I’ve seen yet:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHgZtxg2_Nk

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    John R Smith

    I really hope (and praying) that I’m just an old crank.
    But this whole thing …
    from the very first moment I heard about it …
    feels like a massive hysterical reaction of unparalleled historically epic proportion.
    (Ground work expertly laid by climate hysteria.)
    We know not yet the impending dire consequences of doing good.

    The finger pointing will get pointless.

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      PeterS

      Just as more and more people begin to catch on as to what has happened, the next scam will be unleashed to keep most people guessing, and the next, and the next, until virtually everyone is so frustrated we surrender and become slaves. Of course the people could put up a fight but I doubt it. Too many are already too far dumbed down to bother or give a damn.

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        John R Smith

        You are likely right.
        I kinda hope it can work.
        This is a big one though.
        Hint … spike proteins.
        Praying.
        We all should.

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    CHRIS

    21st Century….Age of the Scams (and not confined to COVID)

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    William Astley

    Perhaps the US nation will wake up. The Democrats must be careful as the US still has elections. Biden’s popularity is falling.

    There is no physical evidence to support the assertion that covid is natural. The facts are starting to get out. The US people are angry as heck…. They have had more than a year of masks, isolations, had friends/relatives die, and so on.

    It is getting politically/scientifically more dangerous to push/defend the theory covid is the product/result of a half dozen virus strands that happened to come together with a bolt of lightening and a puff of smoke sometime in November, 2019 to produce the Covid we are now so familiar with.

    Covid is the only newly formed virus from virus parts/strands… …. that is the most infectious virus every known and wins the prize for the most novel virus features in a newly formed virus, never seen before nature, in recorded virus history.

    Covid has the advanced biological features, exactly like it was designed by the Military. It is perfect for its tactical purpose.

    There is now more and more talk/analysis with obvious in your face evidence, that covid either escaped from the Wuhan lab or that it was designed and released as part of a plan.

    I see there is an official US State Department summary which was posted on the State Department info site, Jan 2021… … that notes China did everything possible to cover-up and hide and interfere in the Covid investigations. In a court of law covering up and interfering in an investigation is proof of a conspiracy to interfere in a lawful investigation.

    US State Department…. Office of Spokesperson…. Jan. 2021

    https://2017-2021.state.gov/fact-sheet-activity-at-the-wuhan-institute-of-virology/index.html?fbclid=IwAR1pEWV4lG6nFRdbwiEMtTyFcwG7Bbi5JCdt_67mjeewVSkTUblImQybi6c

    “For more than a year, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) has systematically prevented a transparent and thorough investigation of the COVID-19 pandemic’s origin, choosing instead to devote enormous resources to deceit and disinformation. Nearly two million people have died. Their families deserve to know the truth. Only through transparency can we learn what caused this pandemic and how to prevent the next one.”

    There is suddenly renewed interesting in getting and reading a copy of the ‘top secret’ report that was written by a ‘secret group’ at the Lawerence Livermore National Laboratory. That secret report alleges that Covid escaped from the Wuhan lab.

    The problem with writing and relying on fake sciency reports to push the ‘theory’ that covid was natural…

    ….Is a real scientific report that discusses the actual Wuhan lab/covid facts will make the covid is natural theory fake reports…. Look like a Chinese plot that was pushed/helped by stupid minions who are patsies who did Gain of Function Research…. Minions that get caught lying/helping the enemy in a dangerous cold war will have no place to hide.

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/06/07/lawmakers-interested-in-top-secret-coronavirus-report-pointing-to-wuhan-lab-source/

    “The top secret report was published by researchers at the government-backed Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in May 2020 and alleges the coronavirus escaped from the Wuhan lab, “according to four people familiar with the document.”
    Sinclair Broadcast Group first reported on the document May 3. A Livermore spokeswoman “confirmed the existence of the report but declined” to provide any more information …..

    ….Sinclair reported the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory intelligence unit, dubbed the “Z Division,” published the report, as its “existence” was previously unknown.

    Meanwhile, Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State David Feith, who investigated the lab leak scandal, stated Wednesday governments, educational institutions, and companies can’t be sure they aren’t unknowingly working with the Chinese Communist Party’s (CCP) military if they’re doing science and technology exchange in China.”

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    William Astley

    Bingo. I believe there has been a forced move in the CCP Vs US game. We are on the US side although we are sort of bit players in the game, until now. The covid facts were on our side what we needed is heroes to summarize the facts and get some help for our side.

    Biden cannot take back the Livermore Intelligence report’s analysis and conclusion (see above for links).

    The Livermore report’s analysis, facts, and conclusions anchor/limit any future ‘analysis’.

    The Livermore National Laboratory’s top secret intelligence group, published a top-secret report, May 2020 (It is odd that this report and its conclusion that covid was manmade somehow stayed secret until now) about the origins of covid. (see above for links).

    The apparent conclusions of that top secret report is that Covid has manmade and may have leaked out of the Wuhan laboratory, is the system game changer we have been waiting for.

    The US Livermore National Laboratory (this lab gets government funding and does top secret government research) intelligence report would have been written by professional Analysts who have top secret clearance and complete access to all info concerning the origin of covid question.

    The Livermore intelligence report is about a serious topic and the report’s conclusion is a big deal. The report would have been written by Analysts who are likely specialists in virology.

    The Analysts who have top secret clearance would have written their report with zero political influence. There is no political side to the question… Was covid natural or did some country make covid in a lab? …From a top secret clearance US Analysts’ point of view. There would be no possible outside commercial influence on that top secret internal report.

    The report which was published in May, 2020 would have torn apart the fake science Nature paper/letter published in Jan, 2020 and other January fake science papers that alleged that covid was natural. The fake sciency Nature letter and other fake sciency papers that stated covid was natural… Contained mistruths and incorrect logic.

    It is the responsibility of professional analysts to find the truth when there is deception and lies.

    The intelligence report, unlike the typical journal paper, will clarify and explain the technical issues for a general audience.

    Select members of the US congress are now reading the Livermore Laboratory intelligence covid origins report. The Livermore Laboratory’s report’s summary of the covid facts, analysis, and conclusion cannot be undo.

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    Curious George

    In most people, coronavirus attacks lungs. In government officials, it attacks brains.

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    Matty

    https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_breakingnews/scientist-who-emailed-fauci-about-covid-19-being-potentially-engineered-deactivates-account_3847675.html?utm_source=News&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=breaking-2021-06-07-1&mktids=e0a05efefe641e0535b168e42745fa0e&est=A42GGsCVussKYaklj3s5OfV%2BNxTTfFCom3T9jtE7INyB2JOOb80Tik550%2F22ezy67jg%3D

    Grant money = hush money?? And then we have Fauci’s climate faith….

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/12/08/fauci-we-have-entered-the-pandemic-era-because-of-climate-change/

    I’m just a scientist he says….but aren’t they borrowed lines? The outsourcing of gain of function research to China(PLA) is a head scratcher unless you took the need to depopulate seriously? Australia’s most authoritative Defence/Foreign Affairs writer(Greg Sheridan) says the virus wasn’t intentionally leaked…..”but this regime would be capable of doing such a thing.” And if they did it would be with the knowledge that their speed bump would be economic and social paralysis for the civilized world. The foreign flights continued after the domestic ones stopped. It was wilfully exported and things I wasn’t prepared to entertain now seem unsettling – to me.

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    Why doesn’t the ABC do something sensible and get ” Four Corners ” to investigation into this?

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    el gordo

    Beijing mouthpiece says Covid isn’t a designer virus and more likely just sloppy natural evolution.

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202106/08/WS60bf16e5a31024ad0bac45e4.html

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    el gordo

    The evidence is overwhelming, its a lethal weapon.

    ‘But the most compelling reason to favor the lab leak hypothesis is firmly based in science. In particular, consider the genetic fingerprint of CoV-2, the novel coronavirus responsible for the disease Covid-19.

    ‘In gain-of-function research, a microbiologist can increase the lethality of a coronavirus enormously by splicing a special sequence into its genome at a prime location. Doing this leaves no trace of manipulation. But it alters the virus spike protein, rendering it easier for the virus to inject genetic material into the victim cell. Since 1992 there have been at least 11 separate experiments adding a special sequence to the same location. The end result has always been supercharged viruses.’ (WSJ)

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    Tilba Tilba

    The evidence is overwhelming, its a lethal weapon.

    I’m a bit puzzled by this comment for several reasons. First, there isn’t overwhelming evidence (or acceptance) one way or another, (1) whether it was a natural crossover, away from the lab, (2) whether it was collected in the field and escaped the lab, (3) or whether the virus was worked on with GoF, and then escaped the lab.

    The fact that the evidence isn’t overwhelming is demonstrated by the fact that the issue is being discussed all around the world (as is the extent of US financial input).

    I also have difficulty with the words “lethal weapon”, which implies it was a military research project in bio-weaponry – which no-one is seriously claiming. And if you mean “lethal weapon” in a metaphorical sense only, then that would seem to be contradicted by the quite low mortality of Covid-19 in everyone but the frail old.

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