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    TdeF

    The real crisis on the Great Barrier Reef has two aspects now.

    The major one is that the Chinese Communist Party controlled UNESCO is directly threatening Australia’s sovereignty over the Great Barrier Reef and that means our farming, mining, habitation along that entire coast. All thanks to the fake Climate Change and Bleaching story from places like JCU.

    The second is the major scandal involving 22 papers and CO2 and Fish from JCU with totally unreproducible results, so fake science. Although JCU says they have investigated it internally by their rules and have found no fault. But they have found great fault in Dr. Ridd, their long term head of physics and are denying him even what amounts to his superannuation. He must be destroyed, at whatever cost.

    So Dr. Ridd is in the High Court today fighting persecution, legal and financial, for his determination to expose shoddy science, catastrophism at JCU or at the very least, his right to point out the possibility without being fired. The Australian government and all Australians now have a real interest in this case.

    The JCU cost is in the millions of taxpayers cash for the multiple cases against Ridd but now in the billions against our major tourist destination and our freedom beyond price with our sovereignty.

    All thanks to fake Climate and Reef science supported enthusiastically by our world class universities. And the Chinese Government agrees. We are the problem. And racism. These are rules which do not apply inside China.

    We could soon have Chinese Communist party officials visiting to tell us how to run our country and what we can and cannot do and they may just have to come and show us how to own a country and protect their reef and hinterland. All appointed by the UN. The reef is our Sudatenland, their property.

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      OriginalSteve

      Someone needs to tell the meddlers to “have a nice day”….

      As if the damn virus wasnt bad enough…..

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        yarpos

        their damn virus

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        OriginalSteve

        Did Biden just threaten the US people with nukes?

        https://redstate.com/sister-toldjah/2021/06/23/biden-accidentally-makes-best-case-ever-for-second-amendment-in-speech-promoting-gun-control-initiatives-n401456

        “Earlier today, as RedState reported, Joe Biden launched into another dementia-laden rant where he talked about nuking Americans and shooting deer in kevlar vests. No, I’m not being facetious. That actually happened (see Biden Accidently Makes Best Ever for Second Amendment in Speech Promoting Gun Control Initiatives).

        “In one of the best arguments for the Second Amendment ever spoken by a president, Biden asserted that no one can stand up to the government without F-15s and nuclear weapons. He seems to have a thing for the F-15, having mentioned it several times in this context and perhaps not realizing that the U.S. Military has an array of other fighter-bombers to murder U.S. citizens with. I mean, if you gonna threaten to vaporize your countrymen, at least diversify a bit.

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          Hanrahan

          Biden just said that without F 16s you can’t overthrow the gov.

          Hang on! Didn’t he claim a few unarmed people walking [ushered?] into The Capitol posed a greater threat to the Republic than 9/11?

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      Pauly

      I think we should treat the Chinese authorities to a dose of Australian humour. Change all our signage and advertising to highlight the endangered nature of the reef, and take tourists on Terry Hughes tours of the bleached coral. Emphasize that the reef has only a few years to live, but ban all Chinese tourists from any reef tours.

      Given Queensland’s current COVID status, that last condition will not have any significant economic impact. But all operators should set up their websites for posting photos of visitors’ experience and comments. Eventually, the ridicule will become too embarrassing.

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        another ian

        Just remember who was a major market for the sodium cyanide harvested reef fish from the Pacific

        Robert Hughes “A Jerk on One End: reflections of a mediocre fisherman”

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      PeterPetrum

      Yes, and the UN now wants us to submit our environmental impact study on raising the Warragamba Dam wall to control and mitigate flooding. Worry about frogs and ferns and never mind the humans. I hope we will tell them to go and take a jump, but I am not holding my breath. So much for sovereignty!

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        Dennis

        UN Agenda 21, now 30 – Sustainability.

        Sovereignty corrupted, UN treaties/agreements legislated into Federal and State laws in Australia, no Referendums to ask we the people with the politicians apparently relying on untested Constitution Laws avoidance by legislation and regulations.

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        OriginalSteve

        It gets worse:

        Going for our societies’ jugular…..by the European Soviet.

        But hey…I guess if the globalist vaccines & viruses cripple enough people so they die, emissions will drop low enough globally…..

        Do you get the sense, global govts hate our Western standard of living?

        https://www.drive.com.au/news/tougher-vehicle-emissions-laws-in-europe-to-kill-combustion-engines-report/?utm_campaign=syndication&utm_source=smh.com.au&utm_content=article_4&utm_medium=partner

        “Tougher vehicle emissions laws in Europe to kill combustion engines – report
        “The EU will put forward restrictive emissions laws next month which could make it impossible to offer petrol and diesel cars.

        “New regulations are expected to be introduced which would inhibit the sale of new passenger cars in Europe powered by petrol and diesel.

        “The European Union (EU) will announce the new proposal next month, which could see emissions reductions of up to 60 per cent by the end of the decade based on 2021 data, according to Automotive News Europe.

        “A total ban on new cars with internal combustion engines will follow, as the EU seeks to reduce passenger vehicle emissions to zero.

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    RicDre

    Power Grid Operators, Experts And Federal Audit Office Warn Of Blackouts As Coal, Nuclear Get Phased Out

    Reposted from the NoTricksZone

    By P Gosselin on 23. June 2021

    As wildly fluctuating, weather-dependent green energies come increasingly online, German grid operators and the German Federal Audit Office are warning the German government of power blackouts. But the government is ignoring the warnings and continues to insist everything is fine.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/06/23/power-grid-operators-experts-and-federal-audit-office-warn-of-blackouts-as-coal-nuclear-get-phased-out/

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      Ronin

      ‘Unreliables’ should not be allowed access to the grid until they can guarantee steady supply for a determined period, that would smarten the cretins up a bit.

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        Robdel

        Carry out the experiment on the ACT with a determined period of one month. i predict there would be a revolt within a week by the angered populace.

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      Sambar

      Ric, Just had our federal member for Indi on the local radio spruiking mini local grids powered by renewable sources.These mini grids would supply a specific locality and surplus power would be stored in a local battery for use “when required”. If we had such things we would not be experiencing the huge power outages in the Dandenongs after the big wind a fortnight ago and as we all “know” storms will only get worse as the climate changes. So, completely ignoring the fact that the power outages were caused by infrastructure damage, a local battery would allow any affected community to just plug into the local battery and “keep the lights on and fridge pumping”. The giving miracle of wind and solar power apparently, in her view, does not require DISTRIBUTION at all, local communities can just draw on it when needed. I gotta get me one of these systems.

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        RicDre

        ” If we had such things we would not be experiencing the huge power outages”

        Instead you would experience a lot of little power outages?

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          BriantheEngineer

          Babies are cute though!?

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          Gary Simpson

          Don’t think there would be much left of ‘microgrids’ up here in the Dandenongs after the big blow, whether they be windmills or mirrors, they would now be decorating those trendy inner suburbs the greens seem to prefer.

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        Lance

        Sambar & RicDre, you’ve got it proper.

        MicroGrids are either synchronized with the thermal/synchronous grid as a follower, or “islanded” as an independent grid of one or more solid state inverter powered sources. And, yes, with sufficiently “smart” and sufficiently “robust” power electronics, they “can” provide some degree of frequency control and reactive power. That being said, they cannot do so at the scale of the thermal grid. Solid state devices and batteries cannot provide the stability of synchronized inertia from multiple thermal/hydro plant turbine/alternator units. Simulating frequency stability and voltage stability at low loads on microgrid scale is not the same as MW/GW scale power.

        Those microgrids are going to have a very difficult time providing sufficient reactive power to satisfy AirCons and other inductive loads as well as the active power inrush required at startup. Microgrids may suffice for limited inductive loads and mostly active/real power loads, but not for commercial or industrial scale loads.

        Those lumbering turbine/alternator sets comprised of some 300,000 kg rotating at 1500 or 3000 rpm tend to provide the scale of power a modern grid requires to serve residential, industrial and commercial loads. Microgrids, not so much.

        I’m not against microgrids for those who wish to use them at their own risk. I’m against thinking they suffice at commercial/industrial scale grids and at national scale risk.

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          OriginalSteve

          And the average solar panel only lasts 10-20 years and batteries about 5 years.

          So every 5 years $10K for new battery, every 10 years extra $5K for panels.

          Thats expensive – and just to have electricity.

          You can see the whole Western way of life now on suicide watch, aided and abetted it appears by its own clueless foolish pollies……

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            Yarpos

            Depreciation and replacement rarely comes into fanboy thinking. If it ever gets scarily close the most common answer is to deflect by pretending that useful life is twice as long. The RE kick the can down the road/Nirvana is just around the corner approach.

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        Annie

        Our supposed ‘Independent’ member, who did not get FPTP but is in place thanks to the preferential system. She is really a greenie as far as I can tell from her various vapourings. What you quote, Sambar, seems very much her sort of thing. Even here in the country, where the primary vote was Liberal, we are stuck with greenism. We also have a local council that forgets it should be dealing efficiently with roads and bins but busies itself with forestry protests.

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          Sambar

          Ah Annie, I was incensed recently when our new shire CEO was interviewed on local radio ( I have to stop listening I suppose ) First words, and I mean the very first words spoken, was the oft used “like to acknowledge traditional owners etc” further comments about “inclusive” ,”environment” and the non specific feel good statements followed. I was hoping that the new CEO would thank rate payers for her VERY generous salary and then advise plans to reduce rates and wasted expenditure etc.
          Not a hope in hadies. No plans for proper wealth producing industries. No plans to provide jobs for school leavers just the wishy washy stuff of woke,
          I guess I’m a stereo typical angry old man, sigh.

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            How awful for you. The world is changing but it was much better back in your day.

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              clarence.t

              Virtue-seeking.. the only real cause of marxists like Gee Aye, et al. !

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              R.B.

              Yep. The world is changing. My council decided to save money by removing the bin in the park next door, one popular with dog walkers. They now have enough money for cultural awareness programs.

              I guess I just can’t cope with change.

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              OriginalSteve

              Yes, they are all trendy BS words.

              When I hear the “we acknowledge..” I roll my eyes and try very hard to suppress a laugh…one time I didnt quite manage it but couldnt really care to be honest. Oh dear…..never mind…..maybe next year….not….

              Leaf, I challenge you to go live your green dream.

              Run your phone and central heating off your solar panels. It gets very cold in canberra , right?

              You will last about 4 weeks I’d think.

              No phone, no internet, no reliable power.

              Disease will follow….

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              Yarpos

              Change is good, wokeism and rising Idiocracy is not.

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            Custer Van Cleef

            …like to acknowledge traditional owners etc

            LOL. Is this widespread in Oz?

            The TV show “Colour In Your Life” is made by an Australian guy – a portly fellow who rides his motorbike at 15 kph in the opening shots. At the end of each show featuring a different artist, there’s a message thanking the traditional owners of this land for whatever it was, perhaps the free oxygen, nice smells and koalas.

            It was even there when he went to the US for a series, thanking Native Americans for something. I don’t think they knew he’d visited.

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              Sambar

              Yes CVC it is very commonly used, when parliaments convene, at the beginning of some football games and at many events that seem to require some sort of validation. Of course it seems that the point of acknowledging the traditional owners is quite meaningless as only their descendants remain. I don’t know why we don’t thank the decedents of the traditional owners.
              We also have a “welcome to country” ceremony which involves the wafting of smoke around. This ceremony was supposedly invented quite recently by a local T.V. celebrity with some quite genuine Aboriginal heritage, however it does look remarkably like the smoking ceremony practiced by North American Indigenous people first noticed in Australia circa 1970

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                Custer Van Cleef

                I wonder if Jacinda’s taken up the habit yet?
                She wouldn’t be happy to lag behind Australia when it comes to wokeness.

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                Sceptical Sam

                Jacinta doesn’t need to take it up.

                She has the Maori’s Hongi to culturally appropriate, while watching their performance of the Haka.

                Why anybody would want to get Jacinta’s schnozz anywhere near theirs is another mystery of the universe still to be solved. With teeth like that they’re likely to end up minus their proboscis.

                And BTW, it was the inferiority complex of the ABC lefties that put legs under Ernie Dingo’s little welcome to country performance. A very recent piece of posturing.

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                Custer Van Cleef

                Sceptical Sam,
                Those teeth are her secret weapon. Used to good effect when she deployed her mega-watt smile in Beijing during some emergency grovelling to save NZ’s economy.

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                Dennis

                I have a theory that the reason certain herbs and their smoke when burnt is considered sacred in some cultures is because, apart from the fact they smell nice, they once served to alleviate the suffering of people plagued by insect pests, e.g. mosquitoes, gnats, sandflies. The smoke kept suffering and perhaps even infection at bay. and was thus seen as a gift from the heavens.

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              Geoff Sherrington

              Hilarious but accurate account of taking a knee to aboriginal fantasy is here:
              https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2016/04/brand-new-timeless-traditions/
              Tony Thomas was a very senior reporter in Australia for many decades, used to run the “Meet the Press” meetings at the National Preass Club and more.
              Geoff S

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                Custer Van Cleef

                That was an interesting read, Geoff.
                Not surprising that competition to perform these ceremonies broke out when the “undisclosed sum” was revealed to be $10,000 plus.

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            Annie

            I listened to the local radio only during the fires last year Sambar. I’m glad I haven’t heard that new CEO, I’d have slung the radio across the room!
            Perhaps my husband and I should have been making drivelling obeisance to the earlier occupants of our native land (England) as some of our own ancestry includes Vikings, Celts, NW Indian, etc. Good grief!

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            Tel

            They use the codewords to indicate various allegiances within the intersectional groups. It’s like a language inside a language.

            Feudalism operates on a similar but more overt mechanism … which is how you end up with complex titles and regular public declarations of treaties, fealty, hierarchy, etc. Our dearly departed Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh had an official title that takes twenty minutes to read out loud.

            Think in terms of heraldic symbols … if a man has the cross of St Andrew and a thistle on his jacket, that is not indicating he is a biologist interested in talking about thistle propagation … the guy is indicating he comes from Scotland.

            Consider when words like “environmental sustainability” are thrown into a sentence … what do these words literally mean? Are they saying there’s a risk that one day the environment will no longer be the environment … that’s ridiculous and nonsensical. Are they saying that the entire environment of the world must remain in perfect stasis and never change? That’s impossible. Any logical attempt to understand this using regular English meaning would conclude that the environment will always change, and whatever it changes into will still be the environment … pretty much by definition … so concepts such as “environmental sustainability” are literally meaningless. Thing is, that’s not what is intended, you are not supposed to attempt to parse these are real words, they are symbolic loyalty markers.

            Once you understand that there is a formal structure to these things, and you catch on to the purpose it serves, you find it easier to see what they are getting at. Most of it comes down to basic tribalism and political alignment.

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        Ted1

        Bring a bucket!

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        yarpos

        She is an ex health administrator isnt she?

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      Power Grid Operators, Experts And Federal Audit Office Warn Of Blackouts As Coal, Nuclear Get Phased Out

      After the Callide 4 ‘incident’, I kept thinking to myself, “here’s an early insight into what it might look like when they start closing those coal fired power plants.”

      No such thoughts appeared anywhere along those lines ….. from anyone.

      When it comes to electrical power generation, Maths has gone completely out the window. It now seems that logic has followed it.

      Oh, and note how the greenies cashed in on how unreliable coal fired power is that a 429MW Unit failed. They say the same every time one of those large Units goes off line, and most of those down times are just for scheduled maintenance. You know 500MW down here, another 500MW down over there on another day.

      As you know, I write up the data for wind generation on a daily basis.

      Now that we have 8587MW of Nameplate, there’s something I’d like to point out. The fact that it will NEVER even get close to delivering that total is ‘by the by’. The highest it has ever been is 5642MW for ONE single five minute recording period back in May, and that was an instantaneous Capacity Factor of 65.7%. The fact that the average CF is just 29.5% for the whole wind fleet is also ‘by the by’, an average power delivery of just 2530MW. Those things are just, well, incidental, if I can use some sarcasm there.

      No, what I HAVE noticed over these last six Months or so is that the difference between the low for each day and the high for each day for wind generation, the actual power being delivered, is getting higher. On a daily basis, and read that again, DAILY basis, that gap between high and low is almost averaging 2000MW, and some days (more often also) it’s up around 2500MW and higher. Now forget the fact that the greenies point out when there is a loss of a 500MW coal fired Unit, here we have losses of 2000MW and more, not sporadically as with those coal fired Units, but DAILY, the equivalent of four to five of those coal fired Units. It doesn’t matter that the gap between the high and low is spread across hours, it’s still the loss of that 2000MW.

      Okay some might say ….. well, coal fired power ramps up and down on a daily basis by anything up to perhaps 4000MW, but hey coal fired power does that because it EXACTLY follows the Load, as it goes up and down, so coal fired power works in concert with that Load. And anyway, that coal fired power ramping is only around 20% to 25%. (and hey you all just ‘know’ that coal fired power can’t ramp, as we are so often told)

      This gap between the low and high for wind generation is between 50% and 80% on some days.

      The more wind plants they construct, the larger that gap will become.

      Oh, and doing the data on that daily basis, and now with almost three years of data, that average CF is rock solid stable at that 29.5% mark.

      They keep telling us that these newer and better wind tower assemblies are more efficient, and that is NOT the case at all. That CF figure has not changed at all. I do both long term averages for the whole 145 weeks of daily figures, and for the most recent ‘rolling’ 52 weeks, (yearly) and the yearly average is consistently lower than the longer term average, so the newer and better plants are not ‘dragging’ the CF upwards at all.

      Oh, and that humugous five minute high for wind generation at 9AM on the 25th May, when wind generation had an instantaneous CF of 65.7%, well that’s almost as high as the year round overall CF for coal fired power in Australia. That coal fired CF includes down time for maintenance, long term outages when Units umm, blow up, and ancient clunkers like Liddell that barely deliver half rat power with Units off line for Months on end, all down time included, and Coal fired power still operates at almost 70% CF on a year round basis.

      Tony.

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        RicDre

        Tony, thanks for all of the great information. I have a question:

        Does the daily rise and fall of wind generation follow a fairly regular pattern or is it fairly random?

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          Note I mentioned that coal fired power (as an overall) follows the Load in its rise and fall.

          That gap between high and low for wind generation is all over the place, with the lows and the highs at different times each day.

          In the main, I have noticed that wind generation is highest usually between 8PM and around 5AM, (incidentally when overall power consumption is falling from the evening peak to the usual 4AM minimum) and then, as the day proceeds, wind generation falls away. It has become more apparent with increasing Nameplate that the low for the day is usually within an hour or so either side of the usual evening peak for power consumption, a somewhat monotonous occurrence between 6PM and 6.30PM every evening of the year, but really, wind generation is up and down all day. You never know when the high (or the low) will be.

          The only thing which is predictable directly concerns the weather, and the cycling West to East of those weather systems. As a High Pressure system approaches, wind generation falls away, and as the Centre of those Highs hovers (as they always do) over that area in the South covering South East South Australia and Central Western Victoria, wind generation is ALWAYS at its lowest.

          Then, as the High moves on replaced by the following Low, then in between the centres for both, there is a tightening of the Isobars, then wind generation picks up ….. ALWAYS. Then, what I see is that as wind reaches its highest points, vast groups of wind towers, in fact large numbers of whole wind plants go off line as the wind speed reaches the upper cutoff for the blades, and here, keep in wind that in high wind situations if they did not cut out automatically, the blades would be destroyed, as now, with much larger generators inside the nacelles, then they need much longer blades, and the tip speed of the blade can get to be incredibly high.

          When they automatically cut out, and whole wind plants go off line, the losses are between 500MW and anything up to 1000MW and more, in time frames between five and ten minutes.

          As the next High pressure arrives, you can watch as power output falls away, sometimes as much as 3500MW across say ten to fifteen hours. That is entirely predictable, every time, and you only need to look at the Synoptic chart at that Aneroid site alongside every graph for power generation to see it.

          While that coal fired ramping every day is the same, day in, day out, that rise and fall with wind generation is so random, that my bet is that the grid controllers at AEMO would not even consider wind generation as any form of ‘go to’ power at any time. If it’s there it’s there, if it’s not, then it’s not.

          I have never seen coal fired power change from one day to the next when wind is high or low.

          The only effect wind generation might have is on Natural Gas fired power. If wind is high, then not so much NG power is required, and if wind is low, then they just fire up more of them.

          Hydro is more along the lines of coal fired power. It also follows the Load.

          Wind generation is incidental.

          And the Logic I mentioned above.

          Hey, they KNOW rock solid hand on heart that those weather systems roll across that one specific area.

          And yet, that’s where they have constructed 61% of all the wind Nameplate in the Country, and many more of them are on the way.

          Tony.

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          Hanrahan

          Ric, do you keep an eye on windy,com? It’s a window into generation.

          The picture here: https://www.windy.com/?-26.902,145.986,3,m:cnzajLn. is typical, the Great Southern Ocean is pretty stormy but the north is quite calm. This is typical.

          If Qld were ever misguided enough to go big on wind if would be a flop. The prevailing wind is a sou easter ie ALONG the coast. Sou westers are broken up by the Great Divide. Regardless of the prevailing wind at the time, afternoon sea breezes will kill on-shore wind mills most afternoons long into the evening. Glider pilots on the coast have hangered their aircraft by mid afternoon, by then the air is “dead”. That refers to lift rather than wind velocity but wind over a ridge gives lift other than thermal lift.

          So we go off-shore. Hang on, The Abbot Point coal terminal was blocked from dredging their channel by the Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority [GBRUMPA]. They eventually got modified approval but GRUMPA has authority over everything from high water mark. They can hardly allow wind farms, their hypocrisy would be too much to cover.

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        Lance

        Those Greenies don’t seem to understand that the Thermal plants they criticize are the only source of frequency and voltage stability in the entirety of AU.

        Ask a Greenie whose frequency their wind/solar sources synchronize with? It sure isn’t another following inverter.

        Ask a Greenie to explain the inescapable relationship between Active, Reactive, and Total power. They can’t, won’t or avoid.

        If a thermal generation outage of 500 MW for scheduled maintenance is a “show stopper”, then what happens at night and during calm winds when the entire AU fleet of unreliable power production goes to Zero? Who carries the grid, the national economy, their jobs/internet/cell phones?

        Perhaps it is a personal perception, but methinks none of the Greenies or Pollies have a clue how grids actually operate in the everyday world.

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          Perhaps it is a personal perception, but methinks none of the Greenies or Pollies have a clue how grids actually operate in the everyday world.

          To them, Base Load is a one word adjective to describe those coal fired power plants.

          I once asked the question of a friend what he thought Base Load was. The reply was that it was the design of off peak water heating for the specific reason to keep coal fired power plants running at night, otherwise there would be no reason for them to run at all.

          He was surprised, in fact astonished, and then asked me if I was sure, when I told him that off peak hot water is around a 3.5% to 5% increase in power consumption at the initial spike, and then gradually decreases over the next two hours. In fact for the three largest power consuming States, NSW, Qld, and Vic. you cannot even see the blip on the Load Curve.

          I can fully understand how power generation is so complex for the average person to understand, huh, not that they even want to understand it in the first place, so all the terms and knowledge we have is totally lost on them, and if they cannot, will not understand it, then it’s not actually a problem.

          There is NO simple single thing that will bring it all home to the average person.

          Well there is one I guess, but that’s so simple that no one even bothers with it at all.

          It scares me every time I look at it and people say we have to close down coal fired power plants.

          That simple thing is the daily Load Curve for power consumption.

          Distributed micro grids. Huh! Don’t make me laugh.

          Tony.

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            Richard Owen No.3

            Tony:
            As far as I can interpret their thoughts I think our politicians imagine that there is a big pond of electricity somewhere and it can be filled anytime with variable generation.
            Never over estimate the collective intelligence of a Parliament of politicians. (HINT unpopular black coloured birds)

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            another ian

            Tony

            Willis E has a look at

            “Here is the latest information on the LCOE for various energy sources, from the U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) 2021 report entitled Levelized Costs of New Generation Resources.”

            https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/06/25/the-real-cost-of-wind-and-solar/

            “To get a rabbit out of the hat – – – .

            And the comments are also interesting

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        Raven

        They keep telling us that these newer and better wind tower assemblies are more efficient, and that is NOT the case at all.

        Yep . . wind turbines are limited by physics (Betz Efficiency) – it doesn’t matter how large or small the windmill is.
        No turbine can extract more than 59.26% of the energy of a fluid. The fluid in this case is wind.

        https://datagenetics.com/blog/june12017/index.html

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          Kalm Keith

          And let’s not forget that the wind itself is solar powered.
          Without that daily differential solar input there would be no wind.

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          Chad

          Raven
          June 25, 2021 at 2:12 am · Reply
          They keep telling us that these newer and better wind tower assemblies are more efficient, and that is NOT the case at all.

          Yep . . wind turbines are limited by physics (Betz Efficiency) – it doesn’t matter how large or small the windmill is.
          No turbine can extract more than 59.26% of the energy of a fluid. The fluid in this case is wind.

          Im sure you realise, but that is not the efficiency that Tony was referring to !
          The efficiency , or Capacity Factor ( expressed often as a % efficiency) that Tony quoted is the ratio between the “Rated”. (Nameplate) output capacity of the Turbine , compared to the actual output…averaged over a period of time.
          That figure can occasionally peak at over 90% …for individual units ,..and for very brief periods.
          But, as Tony has reported, the longer term, overall average is <30%

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            Raven

            Im sure you realise, but that is not the efficiency that Tony was referring to !

            Thanks, Chad.
            Yes I realise they’re different things. I hope I didn’t lead anyone up the garden path.

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              Hanrahan

              I’ll accept your quoted 59.26%. Who am I to argue?

              But Chad is in the apples/oranges error when he talks of capacity factor. One is instantaneous efficiency and [I assume] taken into account when calculating nameplate. The other is percentage of nameplate over a period.

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        Raven

        As you know, I write up the data for wind generation on a daily basis.

        Imagine this:

        To erect those Nordex N100 wind turbines in Minnesota, they used a DEMAG CC2500, 550 ton crawler crane with 126m of main boom & jib extension to 168m.

        It takes 36 trucks just to get the crane to the site.

        That’s before the windmill arrives!
        Luckily, they’ll be eligible for the diesel tax rebate.

        https://www.wind-energy-the-facts.org/transport-and-installation.html

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    RicDre

    UN Fury: World Leaders Just Failed to Deliver $100 Billion / Year Climate Deal

    Guest essay by Eric Worrall

    Despite green claims that renewables are now the cheapest form of energy, according to the UN the renewable revolution simply won’t happen without billions of dollars of sustained international financial support.

    UN blasts world leaders for failing to seal £72bn-a-year deal on climate

    Financial aid ‘critical’ to help developing countries limit fossil fuels – and make Cop26 a success, says UN

    Toby Helm & Robin McKie
    Sun 20 Jun 2021 19.30 AEST

    The head of climate change at the UN has warned that world leaders are still “far away” from securing a deal to limit the disastrous effects of global heating, with less than five months to go before a key summit in Glasgow.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/06/22/un-furious-world-leaders-just-failed-to-deliver-72-billion-year-climate-deal/

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      TdeF

      The scale of the assault on Western democracies has skyrocketed. And the self harm of BLM, AntiFA, 1619 project, Juneteenth. All that seems to matter in the US today is that the section of American society which commits over 50% of the robberies and 50% of the murders is a direct result of slavery. And America needs to apologise, pay reparations and open their borders completely, as does the EU.

      Putin and Xi cannot believe the level of self harm in the US. There is now a 720lb statue to triple jail bird George Floyd and even Putin had to point out the murder of unarmed multiple tour veteran woman Ashli Babbit shot dead by US police has gone unpunished obviously because she was white and Republican.

      And most fantastically that the US funds the UN who are assailing them but with committees controlled by China. WHO, IPCC and now UNESCO are out of control. And the spreading of manufactured Wuhan Flu bioweapon was intentional, defended by WHO and the US Democrats who insisted Trump’s attempt to stop the virus was Xeonphobia.

      What next? Will out of control universities be brought into line? Will Belt and Road influence be stopped. And will the absurdity of a UN run by Africa and China be unfunded. Don’t hold your breath. We could soon have Chinese troops on our beaches, keeping us and the world safe. From us.

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      Ronin

      Their UN can see those lovely $$$$$$$$ just slipping away.

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        PeterS

        The best thing we could do now is get out of the UN. It contains some c0rrupt nations with so much influence that have by oppression and/or omission committed many acts of crime against humanity. We ought to be ashamed to be a part of it.

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    Ronin

    I’ve been noticing that QLD has had the cheapest power all week even with 3 of 4 Callide units yet to come on line.

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      yarpos

      true over time, SA and TAS will occasionally go -ve which of course the RE fanboys latch onto but over a year the most coal powered State has lower cost power

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    After falling to 186 on June 9 the number of active cases in Israel with very high vaccination rates has turned to quickly climb again. 477 at last count here.
    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/israel/
    It looks very much like the vaccines were not the reason for the fall. They may have been given credit for what was really a natural seasonal swing now on its way back up again like last year.

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      Note also that the seven day average daily death rate there for June 22 is zero. Looks good until you see it was also zero for June 22 last year.

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      Klem

      That’s exactly what happened here in Canada a year ago. Covid cases fell dramatically at the end of the normal flu season in April, and governments claimed it was due to their masks and social distancing rules. They patted themselves on the back and our lapdog journalists cheered them.

      Masks and distancing continued during the summer and when the flu season arrived again in the fall as usual, Covid returned as well.

      When I wrote on our local newspapers online chat that the return of Covid was evidence that masks and social distancing are not effective against cold viruses, I was banned.

      Neat huh?

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        Klem I see it like the growth spread rate or potential growth rate “r” within a community varies in an annual cycle with from one to four peaks per year in different geographic locations. Plans to keep the “r” well below 1 and thus eventually stop the spread can’t work if it goes above 1 a few times each year.

        Masks fail because even without the annual cyclic complication plans to keep the spread at 1 prolong the spread forever. I imagine 100 mask wearing people on a bus for 100 days in a community where 1 in 100 are infected at any given time. Even if the super duper masks were 99 percent effective. 1 person on that bus gets it each day out of 100 days assuming no immunity. With 50% immunity it will be 1 every second day.

        “easing of restrictions” translates from stupid to English as prolonging the problem because it lifts the growth rate from below 1 up toward 1. The growth rate needs to go well below 1 to stop the spread quickly. Going to zero is the fastest possible but that then is useless unless all active cases are quarantined out. Because it will all just start again.

        Australia is starting it all again often by bringing new active cases into cities and locking them up across the corridor from uninfected victims at the victims expense. Remote quarantine would mean lock downs of a remote small low population area when quarantine fails. But our stupidity demands this inevitable frequent failure happens in the heart of big cities.

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    The more humans on this planet, the greater incentive to migrate out. Necessity is the mother of invention. (Curiousity is the father).

    The elites that want to reduce population or population growth, aside from being immoral, also insure we stay here and watch a real unpredicted cataclysm end our kind forever. But in their mind, they are doing tough unpopular god’s necessary work … for the sake of the future. Yes, I’m convinced they really believe that.

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      They may have achieved an end to prosperity and well being sending population into natural decline.

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        OriginalSteve

        There has emerged a video of robot-boy Zuckerwhatsit, learning to use bow and arrow and spears.

        Given a lot of the elite have deep bunkers, it would appear they are expecting trouble and primitive conditions afterward.

        I’m imagining the woke meeting the previously woken, some time after the collapse…..assuming the US isnt overrun by Chinese PLA troops.

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      Raving

      Wouldn’t some elites wish to boost immigration? It’s a great way of supercharging the economy by stimulating demand for houses, goods and services. It stimulates the economy by flooding the labor pool

      Fuel economic growth by importing people

      Imported people emit more carbon but greens don’t like to mention that inconvenient transient truth. At net zero it doesn’t matter

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      Ronin

      Is why the rush to mars.

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        Raving

        Decent productivity with sending robots. Inflation really picks up when Mars receives humans

        On a serious note: Haven’t you noticed how immigrants boost the GDP. Boosts carbon emissions too 🙂

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          yarpos

          A quick look at GDP trends in Germany and Sweden would lead a reasonable person to think that the boost to GDP is somewhat over rated or non existant.

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      tom0mason

      The UK prime Minister believes in the overpopulation story his dad taught him.
      Telegraph (paywall): Global over-population is the real issue
      By Boris Johnson 25 October 2007 • 00:01 am

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        Klem

        You can circumvent the paywall by allowing the text to download and then quickly turning off your WiFi (before the paywall message arrives)

        Then you can read the article unimpeded.

        This works with a great number of paywalled websites.

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      PeterS

      I could never understand why the proponents of that theory are not treated as racists like the KKK.

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      RicDre

      “Critical Race Theory” appears to be an offspring of “Critical Theory”. According to Wikipedia, “Critical Theory” means the Western-Marxist philosophy of the Frankfurt School, developed in Germany in the 1930s and drawing on the ideas of Karl Marx and Sigmund Freud.”

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory

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    Kalm Keith

    Before we fix a problem it has to be defined and seen accurately in terms that we can relate to.

    Thanks TdeF for doing that with the comments above ;
    #1 and #3.1.

    Now, what steps can we take to fix this?

    When we look around the formerly “civilised” world all we see is reversal of the stability of society, a collapse of legal process and the buy_out of our politicians by unelected entities like the EEU and U.N. which enables their offspring, the WHO, UNESCO and IPCCCCC to infiltrate our national governance. Thank you Julie, thank you MalEx444 and Kevvie.

    We have been enslaved, let’s be clear on that.

    We must fix this! Any ideas?

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      Annie

      Sorry KK, accidental touch on red while scrolling.

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      TdeF

      When Hitler tried his beer hall putsch and was locked up, he decided to take over the German state from within. It was very successful even though he formed a minority government and he soon had control of all power and outlawed the other parties. Lenin too was a minority leader and when he took power he used the army to smash the navy on the island of Kronstadt who had supported him. In mid winter his army crossed the ice and slaughtered the entire 30,000 population of the island fortress.

      The pattern of the enemies of freedom is to work from within and take over the committees, the councils, the ignored power bases and do what Daniel Andrews has done in Victoria. Even the commissioner of Police lied to protect Daniel Andrews. And no one was punished for the 820 deaths which were a direct result. He illegally signed the State of Victoria up to the Chinese communist Belt and Road, promising us billions without saying for what. Incredibly he came within two Green votes of passing a law allowing him the right of indefinite arrest and detention without legal rights or oversight. The last time that happened was Idi Amin and before that, Berlin in 1933.

      So we are beset by communists and rich totalitarians who call themselves socialists, fighting for our rights and against alleged historic injustice. In fact what they want is total power. And the cash which comes with it.

      Climate Change is not science. Critical race theory is not fact. You do not have to be black to be oppressed. Consider the 1930s Holomodor and the three Irish famines which killed millions by starvation even in years of bumper wheat crops. And in Australia and the US, universities like JCU are run by millionaire business people who care nothing for science and everything for controlling opinions.

      All strength to Dr Ridd in his fight. He write that the court was packed. A second court was opened with audio. And visitors came from across Australia to see the most significant trial of freedom of speech and science since the early 1900s. And on the other side are the Climatebaggers who care nothing for truth and are making millions and seizing power with lies. The UN could cost us our sovereignty. China does not live by these rules and free speech is illegal. We will be next after Taiwan.

      It’s 1936 all over again. And I live opposite the area in Melbourne where General Douglas McArthur had his headquaters as they planned to stop the Japanese invasion at Brisbane. Now even the Japanese live in fear of nuclear armed China and their puppet North Korea.

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        PeterS

        As I stated several times before, the real enemy is within not afar. Be warned.

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        tom0mason

        Oscar Wilde, wrote (in ‘Lady Windermere’s Fan’)

        “It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious.”

        IMHO —
        Libertarians are usually charming (as well as courageous, self motivated, independent thinkers), all colors of socialists are just dangerously tedious.

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      MP

      We must fix this! Any ideas?

      Is it worth saving Keith, are these people that buy the continual stream of Social media, MSM, Government drivel worth the effort.
      The human population are a pathetic group of gullible beings, extinction will be the best outcome for these beings. I am one and I have resigned to watch the disintegration of society unfold and tread water as long as possible.

      Science died in the 90’s under Howard, we watched it go under and did nothing, we watched societal morals be destroyed and did nothing. We allowed a Virus with flu numbers destroy the total fabric of our society and the future of our youth, we did nothing. Fear out did common sense and logic.
      Cases, cases and more cases, yet nobody is sick and it is the season of respiratory illness, but no its the kungflu.

      QLD’s dictator has mandated full time surveillance and actually stated “if you want some of your freedoms back you have to get the app”
      will give us permission to go to the football if we give up our right to privacy, it will then renege on that as it has always done.

      WA introduced a forced vaccination law in 2016, you will be inoculated at the end of a gun if necessary, you will be stripped naked if necessary. It will be done, not by police but by anyone the CMO authorises and others. Don’t think it will happen, its already been trialed, we had some fruit fly outbreak in NQ, the Quarantine act allowed authorised “officers” unrestricted access to our properties, the Authorised officers where recently released criminals, who nailed bait blocks to our trees and stuffed their back packs with our possessions.

      We have fallen but are far from hitting bottom, there is no one there to catch us and we won’t even flap our arms.

      The host of this blog called for action/protest on HCQ and Ivermectin (18 months to late) and got zero comments, I laughed!

      The WEF Australian chapter is the ANU, do not trust anyone with ANU ties, anyone.

      To answer your question, Protests, the freedom rallies are our last stand and massive numbers are required.
      I have been to 3 now, many hours drive away, HCQ and Mectin are presented by stated “doctors” at all three along with the data on cases.
      Half the stuff they talk about (CC) I am opposite in view, but they are there, if we can get our society back on track we can then argue the details. For me its about our rights and freedoms for our youth.

      That we will do nothing, is the only certainty.

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        MP

        https://www.legislation.wa.gov.au/legislation/prod/filestore.nsf/FileURL/mrdoc_43155.pdf/$FILE/Public%20Health%20Act%202016%20-%20%5B00-k0-00%5D.pdf?OpenElement

        Enforcement of requirement to undergo medical observation, medical examination (1) If an authorised officer gives a direction to a person under section 157(1)(j) to undergo medical observation, medical examination or medical treatment or to be vaccinated, an authorised officer or police officer may use reasonable force to ensure that the direction is complied with, including, if necessary — (a) to apprehend and detain the person to whom the direction applies (the relevant person) and take the relevant person to a place where the person is required to undergo medical observation, medical examination or medical treatment or to be vaccinated in accordance with the direction; and (b) to detain the relevant person at the place where he or she is required to undergo medical observation, medical examination or medical treatment or to be vaccinated in accordance with the direction; and (c) to restrain the relevant person — (i) to enable a medical observation, medical examination or medical treatment to be carried out; or Public Health Act 2016 Part 11 Serious public health incident powers Division 2 Serious public health incident powers s.
        158 page 102 Version 00-k0-00 As at 12 Sep 2020 Published on http://www.legislation.wa.gov.au (ii) to enable the relevant person to be vaccinated; and (d) to remove anything (including underwear) that the relevant person is wearing, if — (i) the removal of the thing is reasonably necessary to enable a medical examination or medical treatment to be carried out or, as the case requires, to enable the person to be vaccinated; and (ii) the relevant person is given a reasonable opportunity to remove the thing himself or herself, and refuses or fails to do so. (2) A direction under section 157(1)(j) to undergo medical examination or medical treatment or to be vaccinated authorises — (a) in the case of a direction to undergo medical examination — (i) the carrying out of that medical examination in accordance with the direction; and (ii) the testing of any sample obtained or taken in connection with that medical examination; and (b) in the case of a direction to undergo medical treatment — (i) the giving of medical treatment to the relevant person in accordance with the direction; and (ii) the testing of any sample obtained or taken in connection with that medical treatment; and (c) in the case of a direction to be vaccinated, the vaccination of the relevant person. Public Health Act 2016 Serious public health incident powers Part 11 Serious public health incident powers Division 2 s. 159 As at 12 Sep 2020 Version 00-k0-00 page 103 Published on http://www.legislation.wa.gov.au (3) If any action taken under subsection (1) involves the removal of an item of clothing — (a) it must be done with decency and sensitivity and in a manner that gives to the relevant person the degree of privacy and dignity that is consistent with ensuring compliance with the direction; and (b) the authorised officer or police officer taking the action and any other person present while it is done (excluding any person who is carrying out any medical examination or medical treatment or vaccinating the relevant person) must, if practicable, be of the same gender as the relevant person; and (c) the number of people present while it is done (excluding a person who is present under paragraph (d)) must be no more than is reasonably necessary to ensure that the direction is complied with effectively and to ensure the safety of all present; and (d) if the relevant person is a child or an impaired person, it must, if practicable, be done in the presence of a responsible person or some other person who can provide the child or impaired person with support and represent his or her interests. (4) This section does not limit section 161.

        You can be arrested without reason; However, if in the particular circumstances in which the power to give the direction or, as the case requires, to detain the person is to be exercised, it is not practicable to give the explanation required by subsection (1) before the power is exercised, the authorised officer or police officer must do so as soon as is practicable.

        Authorised officer may be given assistance, and may use force (1) An authorised officer exercising a serious public health incident power may be assisted by a police officer or other person. (2) An authorised officer exercising a serious public health incident power conferred by section 157(1)(a), (b), (d) or (f), and any police officer or other person who is assisting an authorised officer to exercise that power, may use whatever force is reasonably necessary to exercise the power. (3) If a person does not comply with a requirement of, or a direction given by, an authorised officer exercising a serious public health incident power, an authorised officer and any police officer or other person who is assisting an authorised officer to exercise that power may do all things that are reasonably necessary to Public Health Act 2016 Serious public health incident powers Part 11 Serious public health incident powers Division 2 s. 162 As at 12 Sep 2020 Version 00-k0-00 page 107 Published on http://www.legislation.wa.gov.au enforce compliance with the requirement or direction, using any force that is reasonable in the circumstances. (4) Without limiting subsection (3), the force that an authorised officer or police officer or person assisting may use includes any force that it is reasonably necessary to use in the circumstances to overcome any resistance to the enforcement of compliance with the requirement or direction (including enabling a medical examination or medical treatment to be carried out or a vaccination to be given) that is offered by the person to whom the requirement or direction applies

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        PaulC

        We need a more derogatory term than “renewables” to be in widespread use.
        Something like Parasite Power.

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    Strop

    Update: Peter Ridd case. Was in the High Court yesterday. Update from Peter below.

    Dear All,
    We went into the High Court hearing in a hopeful frame of mind, and came out the same. Our lawyers led by Stuart Wood QC did a terrific job. We will now have to wait two or three months for the written decision to be handed down – whatever it might be.

    I was extremely grateful to all the people who came to the hearing. There was a contingent of cane farmers from North Queensland, and people from Sydney, Melbourne, a big group from Canberra including some ex-students of mine, and people from various other areas of SE Oz. We filled the top and bottom levels of the main gallery, and I understand they also opened up another courtroom with an audio link. Of course, there were covid restrictions in place, which reduced capacity. But it demonstrated to the media, which included the ABC, that there is considerable interest in the general issue of academic free speech and poorly quality assured “science”.

    Win or lose, this campaign, of which you are an important part, has already had a significant effect on universities. The Commonwealth government has already introduced legislation that would have made a big difference to our case, if it was not for the fact that our hearing was based on the laws of 2017/18. I have a feeling that the Commonwealth government will also be looking to see what else could be done to prevent similar cases arising in the future.

    Even if we lose, it will only demonstrate that what JCU did was legal – not what is right. Win or lose, I will not regret what we did, or why we did it. Win or lose, we will continue to the fight to reclaim our universities, and make some of our science organisations more trustworthy.

    Link to hearing documentation lodged before the hearing
    https://www.hcourt.gov.au/cases/case_b12-2021

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      Kalm Keith

      It feels good to know that there is push back against the monster confronting us.

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      Chad

      Despite all the positive moves and success to date, i am not confident of a good outcome for Peter in this….
      There have been far stranger sudden reversals of decisions in high level legal cases where the outcome seemed just a formality…but then the “Old Boy” network comes into play, or a special word” is passed to the judge, ..and bingo !…an unexpected decision with no, or irrational , explanations.
      We saw what happened with the Vaile situation at Newcastle..common sense, due process, and fair play,….all submitted to the power of the dolla’ ,
      So dont go printing the party invites just yet .

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      David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

      Thanks Strop,
      I couldn’t find anything yesterday, nor earlier today. Sorry there’s still a couple of months to wait for the decision. It’s particularly galling when a favourable decision is so critically needed in our current situation.
      Cheers
      Dave B

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    Chad

    GRID STABILITY

    Last week there was a discussion about grid stability and could a grid remain stable with more than 30% wind & solar input.
    Many were unconvinced .
    Whilst not in any way supporting the adoption of wind or solar ( very much the contrary !).. i suggest that those that want to argue the impossibility of 30%+ RE in a grid supply,..should take a look at the SA grid performance the past few days..it is running continuously on 60%+ wind supply….with no sign of instability ?
    Sure , they have gas support and the big battery, but they show that 30% barrier is a furfy !
    It wont last long so look now !
    http://nemlog.com.au/gen/region/sa/

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      And how easy is it to point fingers and say how well that large total for wind and solar works, when it is for what is a relatively TINY overall, as South Australia only consumes around 7% of the total generated power in Australia. That small total can be ‘covered’ enough by a small NON renewable Natural Gas backup and a large Interconnector backup.

      Tony.

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      clarence.t

      Only a couple of days ago, SA was operating on 94% gas and 3% diesel.

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        clarence.t

        Its only stable because that have that gas which is capable of supplying basically all of their small amount of electricity requirements.

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        clarence.t

        typo correction

        ….. because they have that gas …

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      Lance

      Chad, you are leaving out 2 very important components.

      Grid Stability relies upon Voltage stability and Frequency Stability, both of which are provided by the synchronous thermal power generators, NOT from the solar/wind generators. Solar/Wind provide Watts, not VARS and not KVA ( Real/true power, not reactive power and not total/apparent power).

      The grid phase angle is the inverse tangent of the ratio of Reactive Power / Active Power or inverse cosine of the real/true power divided by the total/apparent power. The total power, apparent power, is the vector sum of the reactive and active power. The power factor is the cosine of the grid phase angle.

      Wind and Solar must be backed up by thermal/hydro synchronous power because they are not dispatchable (available on demand). If you have a grid load of 100 GW apparent power at a grid phase angle of 31.79 degrees, 0.555 radians, then you have a true/real load of 85 Gw and a reactive load of 52.6 Gw. That 52.6 GW of reactive power MUST be provided by the synchronous generators or the grid will collapse because the wind/solar cannot provide it without huge and expensive power electronics.

      So. If 30% of the active/real power is provided by wind/solar, then 70% of it must be provided by synchronous generators and 100% of the reactive grid load must be provided by synchronous generators. So, for the hypothetical 100 GW load at PF=0.85, for the grid to be stable, the solar /wind provides 25.5 GW of true/real power, the synchronous plants provide 59.5 GW true/real power and the synchronous plants provide 52.6 GW of reactive power. The apparent power provided by the synchronous plants is 79.4 GW. The benefit of the 25.5 GW of wind/solar simply offset 20.6 GW of synchronous generation for a net inefficiency of 4.9 GW at the synchronous plant, roughly a 5% loss in billable power to “enable” the “free” solar/wind to inject into the grid but without any cost for frequency stability, voltage stability, operating costs, etc.

      There’s a limit to how much solar/wind can “ride for free”. That limit is when the burden on the synchronous plants causes them to become uneconomical because they are providing all of the things the wind and solar cannot provide. Usually, that limit is the reserve generation that the thermal plants have to cover their own outages for maintenance. That limit is usually 25%.

      You can argue till the cows come home about how much “real” power that solar/wind provide. But that is entirely irrelevant if the synchronous plants aren’t there to back up their contribution and support their inability to provide reactive power or frequency stabilization.

      If you truly think solar/wind “can do it all” then simply try it. Shut down the thermal/hydro plants and see what happens. You won’t like it. Not even a little bit.

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        Lance

        I missed something.

        Not only does the thermal plant lose 5% in billable power to support the solar/wind scheme through reactive power inefficiency, they also lost out on the overhead costs of the 25.5 GW of power they didn’t sell which is about 60% or 15.3 GW for a total loss of about 20 GW. So the thermal plant lost 20 GW of billing so that the solar/wind could provide 30 GW of “free power”. It doesn’t take much of this to make the thermal plants insolvent and then you are left with no frequency or voltage support and no reactive power, and then the grid collapses. For a 10 GW gain of “free power”, the entire grid is placed at risk. And all the jobs, economics, and national security that entails. Such a deal.

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          Lance

          I’ll make it even simpler.

          To get 30% “free power from wind/solar” the Coal/nuke/hydro generators absorb 90% of the cost of providing power. And they pass that along to YOU.

          You, the ratepayer/taxpayer, must PAY for that financial mockery AND simultaneously, subsidize the cost of the solar/wind generators.

          Do you feel properly “taken to the cleaners” by now?

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        Lance mentions this:

        The grid phase angle is the inverse tangent of the ratio of Reactive Power / Active Power or inverse cosine of the real/true power divided by the total/apparent power. The total power, apparent power, is the vector sum of the reactive and active power. The power factor is the cosine of the grid phase angle.

        Or to put it another way, well, the exact same way actually, look at the (very simplified) image at this link.

        Can you see now why Maths is umm, raci$t.

        Tony.

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          Yeah, flick the switch and the power comes out of the hole in the wall.

          Here’s what happens prior to that simple vector diagram above.

          A similar vector diagram to work out the total circuit reactance from the three forms of ‘resistance.’ (Resistance and Capacitive Reactance and Inductive Reactance) using all the requisite formulae for them.

          Once you have that total Reactance from that vector diagram, you can work out the current flow in the circuit, because the Voltage is constant.

          Then , using the Voltage and the individual reactance, you can work out the current flow through the resistive, inductive and capacitive parts of the circuit, and once you have that, you get the above (simplified) vector diagram for Current. (a parallel circuit)

          You can work out the apparent power (V by Is) and the True Power (V by Ir)

          The relationship between that apparent power and true power is the angle Theta, and the cosine of that angle is the Power Factor, be it on the Inductive side of the vector diagram, as shown here, or on the Capacitive side of the vector diagram.

          That Power Factor is (by law) set at a minimum of 0.8, so it is in the main a lot closer to the horizontal axis than is shown on that simplified vector diagram.

          And now they add in a new load, and the calculation has to be done all over again, and then a new load, and then a new load, and then a new source from a new rooftop, and then another and then another, and each time, that equation needs to be done all over again.

          See now why Maths is beyond the average person?

          Tony.

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            OriginalSteve

            Yeah, real and imaginary mnumbers take a bit to get your head around.

            Your average newspaper is written at a 12 year olds level of cognitive ability.

            I suspect most people just see solar as a money saver, and have no clue about the engineering.

            That said, I berated a fellow engineer who believed in climate change, I told him he needed to sharpen the hell up or quit the profession.

            I was disgusted.

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        Chad

        Lance,…you just wasted an hour of your life !
        Now cool down, go back, and READ what i said.!
        Im sure your knowledge and detailed explanation is correct…but it is all irrelevant to the key point.
        IE: the frequently stated belief that a grid will be unstable with more than about 30% wind and solar generation input. !
        That is blatently untrue as the SA grid is currently demonstrating at 60%+ wind input.
        Im not saying its a marvelous achievment..im just pointing out the obvious error in the “30% max” belief.
        Now tell me again how that 30% cannot be exceeded ?

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          Richard Owen No.3

          Chad:
          Are you sure the figures are correct? I refer to that WHOLE HOUR last year when SA ran on solar. But there was electricity flowing to Victoria (and later flowing back).
          Solar panels (& wind turbines( MUST see/feel/experience a suitable voltage before they turn on and start supplying, so there must have been some reference generation somewhere. It seems to me that the solar figure is an assumed one in that they can only guess from the drop in demand. They then assume that all this solar electricity stays in SA and the dirty gas-fired stuff is separated out and sent to Vic.

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            Chad

            RO3
            What figures ?… the 60%+ ?
            SA has its own Gas generators which are always running.
            Have you looked at the nem log ?
            It shows wich generators are running and where the power is going in or out of state.

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          Lance

          Chad, the only reason your 30% non dispatchable power functioned is due to thermal generation and interconnectors. Absent those supporting elements, your grid would have collapsed.

          At the rate AU is closing coal plants, enjoy your temporary glee in being temporarily correct.

          On the longer view, let’s see what you have to say after Loy Yang shuts down.

          There’s still time to preserve the stability of your grid, but this blathering about “being able to use 30% solar/wind” is truly an amazing feat of ignoring reality.

          For the moment, you have a point and are correct. AU did absorb 30% renewables and didn’t crash. But that moment is passing by swiftly. Enjoy it while you can.

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            Chad

            Lance…..it is not MY grid !…..it is SA only that i have referred to .
            And i dont derive any “glee” from it !
            Your inability to comprehend the simple message of my original post, is causing you to confuse me with someone promoting RE power…..infact its the opposite !
            All i am trying to tell you, (and. Others) is that it IS POSSIBLE for a grid to operate with stability when sourcing more than 30% wind or solar…
            Sure they may have Gas or coal on stream also…
            And it may incurr higher service costs
            And various other issues..
            BUT 30% RE INPUT IS NOT A LIMITING FIGURE !
            ( as you now seem to reluctantly admit )
            so dont throw that false belief into a serious fact based debate and expect to win the discussion.

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              Lance

              You do realize the FCAS services are supplied at grid level by the thermal plants?

              Batteries can give kW level stability for an hour or two at levels approaching 500 kW, but a grid works at MW and GW levels.

              You’re correct that 30% RE is not a limiting figure IF and ONLY IF sufficient synchronous generation is available to provide the frequency and voltage support required to allow it. The reactive power has to come from somewhere and it isn’t coming from RE.

              At grid scale, you’ve got somewhere between seconds to 15 minutes to compensate for voltage, frequency and reactive power. If you can’t, the grid collapses.

              So tell us all, as AU closes their thermal plants, where do you get the voltage, frequency and reactive power support?

              The 30% I refer to is what is easily and comfortably integrated into a thermal grid without undue risk. You seem to argue that any level is possible, but you don’t say how it is possible and what makes it possible. That’s my concern with your claim.
              Failure isn’t an option. There’s too much at risk. I’m seeing a train wreck but you don’t seem to share that view. Explain why.

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      Pauly

      Chad, the practical issue is that, despite SA’s state-wide grid blackout event, very few wind farms have invested in Ancillary Services, specifically FCAS. Looking at the SA grid isolation that occurred in January 2020, while the grid stayed up, FCAS costs skyrocketed:
      https://wattclarity.com.au/articles/2020/02/dont-forget-about-fcas/

      For two days, FCAS costs bounced off their maximum limit of $14,700/MWh. It only reduced after two days because AEMO issued a mandate that FCAS be limited to $300/MWh. Even so, as the above link shows, FCAS costs for the period of islanding was twice the cost of actual electricity produced.

      So who pays for FCAS costs? The SA consumers. And note the “saving grace” of the Hornsdale battery! Now roll those numbers across the NEM and you will quickly find the “cost” of grid stability.

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        Chad

        Ok Pauly..
        You are talking about COSTS.
        That is not relevant to the ABILITY of a system to function with 30%+ Wind.
        And those fundamentally the result of the design of the market cost structure…nothing technical.
        Tell me what the FCAS costs are today in SA as they run with mostly wind generation.
        … Not that it has ANY relevance to the point i was making .!!!

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          Pauly

          Chad, the costs are simply an indicator of the level of instability in the SA grid. More instability means more FCAS being utilised in an attempt to stabilise grid frequency that has already departed agreed tolerances.

          As far as I am aware, all the natural gas generators in SA were working normally. You can do your own research to see how much power was coming from what source in South Australia, over that two week period. And we already know that AEMO asked the Portland aluminium smelter to shut down over this period, simply because the isolated grid could not handle the electricity demands from this one location.

          The fact is that AEMO is now tracking system inertia as a critical grid value. That should be enough of a hint that lack of system inertia is now recognised as a growing problem for the NEM.

          As to your primary point, my reading indicates that grid instability reaches a critical point when total wind power being generated exceeds 40% of total demand over a period of time. TonyfromOz highlights the problem in one of his earlier comments on this page.

          Essentially, as more wind power is added to the grid, the peak power generated by wind rises, but when the wind stops blowing, the amount of wind power being generated is still close to zero. That means that the rate of loss of generation capacity, as wind speed drops off, or alternatively, the rate of gain of generation capacity, as wind speed picks up, becomes greater and greater.

          The problem is that backup power sources, predominantly natural gas, are simply incapable of matching the rate of change caused by wind power’s intermittency, above a certain capacity. As TonyfromOz points out, individual fossil fuel powered generators have a fixed output, say around 500MW, yet the total change in wind power generation may exceed 2000MW.

          To balance the intermittency of wind power, the grid regulator need to balance the changes in output of power from multiple backup generators. I’m entirely unsure how much of this process is automated at the moment. But what I am aware of, across the globe, is that introduction of large amounts of renewable power results in a huge number of manual interventions by the grid regulator.

          The link I provided above shows what happened when the SA grid was isolated. That meant there was no coal fired power able to set or stabilise its grid frequency. So it is a good example of how a grid, with significant wind generation capacity, and no coal-fired generation capacity, will operate.

          That is the relevance you are choosing to ignore.

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            Chad

            Pauly
            June 25, 2021 at 7:22 am ·

            As to your primary point, my reading indicates that grid instability reaches a critical point when total wind power being generated exceeds 40% of total demand over a period of time.

            What period would that be ? 1 hour,..12 hrs,…24, hrs,..7 days ?
            And now we have another random 40% figure ?
            Lance proposed 25%,
            The original 30% is not true then ?
            But SA continues to run at 50-60% RE ..??? Please explain !

            The problem is that backup power sources, predominantly natural gas, are simply incapable of matching the rate of change caused by wind power’s intermittency, above a certain capacity

            Isnt that one of the primary functions of the Batteries being installed in all states currently ?

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      yarpos

      You have a very narrow view of grid stability. The grid should remain stable when things go wrong as well as when everything is ideal, and it also has to do this long haul , not just over small windows of time. There is a reason the AEMO keeps turbines running in SA when the already have to much spasmodic power. If the worst happens you needs a strong , stable supply to recover with and synch to.

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        Chad

        But grids without coal generation do run with more than 30%, 40%, or 60% wind input…FACT !
        We know it will cost more..just because it is wind and needs back up, so the extra cost of additional FCAS if necessary is irrelevant.
        The Marker Regulator may as well set a fixed low cost for FCAS, since it does not appear to convince the coal generators to keep in business,…all it does is incentivise more “unstable” RE and big batteries to compensate for the instability.
        Cost does not seem to be an issue with any of this Wind/Solar fiasco so no point is trying to use it as a counterpoint.
        And , stable “when something goes wrong”…. seriously ? ..
        You would have to decide what degree of. “Something wrong”…..before you could plan any safety measures.
        Why are you guys pretending this 60% wind does not happen? You are fooling yourselves and exposing a flaw in any arguments if you use it against Wind/solar.
        …..The 30% limit for RE is being proven at THIS MOMENT to be B.S. !
        http://nemlog.com.au/gen/region/sa/

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          yarpos

          again short term focus, I can make a V8 engine produce 2000hp FACT! will it keep doing it for very long? mmmm nope. The SA blackout and the $500 million they spent applying band aids and the $2Bill for and interconnector to dump unwanted power and provide another prop for wind droughts seems to be lost on you. $2.5bill to prop up a small States grid that previously worked.

          You clearly want to believe , so by all means believe it. I will fine I’m sure.

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            Chad

            How long does a grid need to operate to be called stable ?
            For the type of electrical instability that we are concerned with, i would have thought 24 hrs proves something of a point ?…
            And several days at 50+% seems hard to argue against (for most !)
            If nothing else, it shows it is possible.
            And you are another who is somehow so hyped up arguing against Wind & Solar you dont bother to read posts enough to realise that i dont “want to believe” A grid can work at more than 30%. RE input ,..but i cannot ignore reality.
            But, clearly YOU want keep deluding yourself it wont work,..so carry on.
            We all know a mostly RE grid is unsustainable and unreliable but that is primarily a capacity/ availability issue

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              Yarpos

              SA has already demonstrated reality and has paid the price to correct. We look at the same thing, but clearly see it differently.

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    Chris

    What this “pandemic” has taught us is that we are on our own. Our government and medical bureaucrats have lied to us, the chief medical officer used a discredited article in the Lancet to justify his decision to not use HCQ. Our media who peddled fear and panic at every opportunity, failed in its duty to query the narrative. Overnight our police forces turned into the ‘brown shirts’ to bully young mums and grannies . Small businesses were crushed , whilst big business bloomed.

    Doctors closed their surgeries and appointments were reduced to a telephone call . Hospitals ceased to care for the chronically ill and children were battery caged . We watched people fight over toilet paper in the supermarket and neighbours crossed the road if you had the audacity to exercise without a mask. Masking became an extraordinary experiment in social control, without the opportunity to watch peoples faces we quietly became isolated. No longer able to smile an apology to a bump in the supermarket we ignored the casual social contact . Masked up, people no longer chatted whilst waiting for their coffee at our “hole in the wall’ coffee shop.
    What can we do? Plan for the worst and hope for the best.

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    Peter Fitzroy

    Some good news “Australia rejects $36 bln wind, solar, hydrogen project” Reuters. All Hail the Environment Minister Ley

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      Chad

      It should not have taken an Environmental reason to shut it down..
      It should have been laughed out of the first business proposal presentation !

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        Peter Fitzroy

        Chad, can you explain how a private consortium with a funding stream should have been laughed out of the first presentation?

        While you are there can you explain any of Minister Ley’s other decisions like all of them on the Barrier reef?

        This Minister is just a grifter for coal

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          OriginalSteve

          You mean common sense.

          You seem to have failed to see that climate change(tm) is a huge lie, the earth is not dying, we can hold more way people than 7 billion, etc etc.

          Bring on coal.

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          Chad

          Peter Fitzroy
          June 24, 2021 at 10:09 am · Reply
          Chad, can you explain how a private consortium with a funding stream should have been laughed out of the first presentation

          Obviously you have never been involved in a business proposal .!
          Financial approvals are normally only given once a solid business case is demonstrated with verifiable costs and payback data from reliable sources.
          Existing “real” data for Green Hydrogen would have shown how financially disastrous the proposal was, so the investment proposal should never have been made.

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            Chad

            Even the Project objectives had to be changed once they realised what they were trying to do was impractical..
            From the RE article..

            ……just last month, AREH had shifted its focus from exporting electrons to green hydrogen and then to green ammonia due to the reduced risk of storage and transport and the large existing market for the latter.

            “LNG needs to be -160°C, roughly, to be liquid, but hydrogen needs to be -253°C, which is almost absolute zero. So that’s a massive challenge. And it takes a lot of energy,” Dickson said. “Whereas ammonia only needs to be -33°C. And all the technology risk with you know, storing hydrogen… is not an issue at all with ammonia, because it’s been produced and traded for almost 100 years. So yeah, large existing market, future enormous markets opening up for ammonia …. So yeah, that’s why we’ve pivoted to ammonia.”

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              Lance

              Well, since ammonia is NH3 and to combust it you need O2 and a lot of N2 from atmosphere regardless if you want it or not, the byproducts are H2O and HNO3 and lots of NOx.

              Translation: Yes, you can use ammonia as fuel, but you get smog and nitric acid as byproducts.

              Let’s see the eco/greens reconcile that. The higher the compression ratios in ICEs, the more NOx you get as byproduct. Fact of Thermo and ChemEng.

              Why is it that the “solutions” from the Greens create more problems than they solve?

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          clarence.t

          And Peter is a shill for electricity supply instability and every other marxist cause he can come up with.

          Reality never seems to be part of his thought process.

          But reality is what some members of parliament are finally starting to see.

          It is great to see “the environment” finally being used against the “green” causes.

          Pity that so much environmental damage has already been done in the name of solar and wind.

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            OriginalSteve

            It appears to be the modus operandii of communists and marxists to create chaos and instability.

            Communism and marxism use instability ( of power grids, political systems etc ) to seize power. They have a tool called AgitProp ( agitation and porpganda ) to stir stuff up then hit people with lies.

            When people become confused, they then go for societies jugular.

            The alphabet “equality” is from th eleft, as is society destroying attacks on all our institutions and way of life.

            The Left are seagulls – they tear everything apart, poop on it, then leave a destroyed mess behind….

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            Serp

            Without Peter Fitzroy persistently flogging his dead horses this blog would be a much less interesting experience.

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              clarence.t

              Certainly adds a level of slap-stick type comedy, doesn’t he. 🙂

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                el gordo

                Counter arguments by the regular trio is a healthy sign and allows us the opportunity to lift our game with wit and wisdom.

                Satire is hard to master, but I’m working on it.

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          Ronin

          ‘Green Hydrogen’, my goodness, what a farce, good on them for showing them the door.

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            Serp

            Oh yes the hydrogen aficianado will talk blue hydrogen to you as well –though whether there be an entire spectrum of hydrogen hues is not yet revealed.

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          yarpos

          Private consortia dont have a licence to damage the grid, and add to everyone elses cost

          Surely as a good socialist private initiatives would be anathema to you

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      el gordo

      ‘The consortium behind the hub said it would revise its proposal to build solar and wind farms in the Pilbara, an area better known for liquefied natural gas.’

      ‘But the decision to knock back the project has alarmed groups that want the conservative government to commit to a national target of net zero emissions by 2050.’ (Financial Times)

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        Graeme#4

        The consortium has changed direction and dropped the idea of supplying power to Singapore. Instead, it now wants to generate hydrogen using a process that will discharge chemicals onto a pristine beach area that is used every year by birds from Siberia, etc., escaping their winter. These birds end up on WA’s beaches, all the way down to Perth, where I regularly see them in summer. It’s strange that WA environmentalists don’t support this.

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          Peter Fitzroy

          so just like coast and the barrier reef. Tow face is our ‘Environment’ grifter Ley

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            el gordo

            Minister Ley has my full support on the GBR and the Pilbara hub.

            Do you think it wrong for the Minister to squash the hub idea and save the endangered species?

            The GBR is recovering and as El Nino won’t be around for another five years (no coral bleaching) the whole reef should return to pristine beauty within that time span.

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            Graeme#4

            No, you don’t seem to fully understand what’s going on Peter. And you might ask why a company, supposedly wanting to generate “green” hydrogen, should need to move closer to the coast to discharge toxic waste into the ocean. It sounds like “grey” hydrogen generation. Do you really want a massive plant like this spewing rubbish into a section of coastline used annually by migratory birds?

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            clarence.t

            Please explain what is actually wrong with the reef, that can be backed by solid non-JCU science.

            All reports from honest people say its doing rather well.

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            Kalm Keith

            ¥69 for a days work here. Well done.

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              Kalm Keith

              I know that AUD$14.02 might not seem much but he insisted on being paid the same as all the workers back home who were working on the three gorges dam repairs.
              Very noble ¥¥¥¥¥

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            another ian

            Tow face is our ‘Environment’ grifter Ley”

            She’s grown a beard?

            “1. Coarse broken flax or hemp fiber.” – https://www.thefreedictionary.com/tow

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    Chad

    DARK EMU
    WTF ?
    Why does the selection of childrens books need to be decided at Government level ?
    And why would the vast majority (34:4 ?) of Legislature vote to keep this false history book as an official reference ?
    Does Covid directly affect powers of logic. ( NSW Gvmt is in lockdown !)
    Latham/ON is looking hot for the next election !

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      Travis T. Jones

      Sadly for the Dark Emu, other than a couple of stone working tools, no evidence of a city or even the notion of a carbon (sic) tax to slow the rising of the seas was found …

      July 2020: Researchers uncover an ancient Aboriginal archaeological site preserved on the seabed

      “Environmental data and radiocarbon dates show these sites must have been older than 7,000 years when they were submerged by rising seas.

      Our study shows archaeological sites exist on the seabed in Australia with items belonging to ancient people’s undisturbed for thousands of years.”

      https://phys.org/news/2020-07-uncover-ancient-aboriginal-archaeological-site.html

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        Kalm Keith

        Here in NovoCastria, at the time of the last glacial maximum just over 20,000 years ago, the original inhabitants most likely lived at the active shoreline for that period.

        Based on the sea level rise, 120 metres + or -, since the big melt, that would put them almost 20 km out from the current shore.

        There’s bound to be evidence down there covered in silt.

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      Dennis

      Why would the NSW Premier speak in favour of Dark Emu being debated in NSW Public Schools as if it was non-fiction?

      The agenda of the left side of politics is worrying.

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        Serp

        Why single out the left for worrying? All sides of politics have been bullied into embarking on the same woke journey. The sad part is that we’ve signed up to letting them govern us.

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        yarpos

        I wonder if Pascoe has a quiet snigger at some if these dills

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    Travis T. Jones

    So, I’ll mark that down as a ‘F’ for fail then, professor?

    Ian Lowe, Emeritus Professor, School of Science, Griffith University, opines about Koonin’s book questioning “the science is settled”, only to find amongst the comments he had no idea Al Gore’s Climate Reality Project, of which he attended in Australia, has that as its slogan!

    Reply to Robert Agius: “Robert, I don’t know anyone advocating action to slow [global warming] who thinks the science is “settled”.

    >> Scroll down a few comments …

    Reply to Mike Hansen: “Mike, I’ve had my attention drawn to the website of Al Gore’s Climate Reality Project, which does say “The science is settled.”
    Professor Graeme Pearman and I both attended the first session of Gore’s project in Australia and what he said there was completely consistent of our understanding of the science.”

    https://theconversation.com/a-controversial-us-book-is-feeding-climate-denial-in-australia-its-central-claim-is-true-yet-irrelevant-162922

    How long has the ‘good’ professor been marking down students for his blinkered ignorance and lack ability to demonstrate he understands research?

    Undeniably a big ‘F’ for fail, professor.

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      PeterS

      The belief there is no objective reality is spreading and so it’s becoming so much easier to manipulate the people. That’s why they can say the science is settled and get away with it even though it isn’t in reality. The blurring between lies and truth is no accident.

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      Kalm Keith

      Not only does he not comprehend “research” but he is obviously a scientifically illiterate poseur.

      How Lowe can you go.

      Griffiths University joins the Australian rubbish heap.

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    joseph

    Worth a watch . . . .

    “The Vaccines / Awesome Ingenuity or A Huge Mistake?”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjMZvpmuaKY

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    OriginalSteve

    I notice that the covid stuff is happening again in Sydney and Brisbane.

    Hmm….99.96% surviuval rate for covid, but lockdowns-R-Us…..the societal logic disconnect/brainwashing continues.

    Seems they need to panic more people so they take the vaccine….Australians being sensibly sceptical of the vaccines, have stayed away from it. Not sure why the Brits are so obedient to Big Brother though…

    People should also see that “Utopia” episode…life imitates art, or maybe another “Simpsons” apparent advanced knowledge of things to come? Dont know….eerie though.

    If we assume the main aim of the globalists is vaccination of the entire population with a population reduction aim, then making sure people are kept “on the boil” by regular covid panics makes sense to keep people lining up.

    Has anyone actually seen the test results? And even if they were infected it has 99.96% survival rate.

    99.96% surviuval rate for covid, but lockdowns-R-Us…..logic disconnect continues, the sheep are lining up, this is likely to continue ad-infinitum until enough people have been vaccinated with experimental “vaccines”.

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      Ronin

      I notice there is frantic dam level lowering going on at Somerset and Wivenhoe dams, what gives.

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        MP

        I think the article is spot on.

        I also think I know the shooter they speak of from the helicopter, worst shot ever and does the job via volume of fire. Does not finish of the injured animals as the chopper is on contract hours, waste of time and time is money.

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      OriginalSteve

      It’s called UN Rewilding.

      The idea is to empty the countryside of people, shove them into large cities, then force a vegetarian diet on everyone.

      Humans are bad, animals better than humans.

      Humans must be culled and controlled.

      Rewilding is just the Satanic pagan earth worshipping religion being manifest by what appear to be Collaborator local govts.

      What it also appears to say is that there appears to be infiltration and control of govts to achieve the evil Rewilding agenda globally. Now we are seeing the end game in play.

      Question – if vacc*nes can lower populations, wouldnt that remove a lot of people from the rural areas too?

      Very detailed explanation in plain language of Rewilding here:

      https://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1496.cfm

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        OriginalSteve

        Sorry – should have added :

        ” The globalist mindset seems to be :

        “Humans are bad, animals better than humans.

        “Humans must be culled and controlled.

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      OrignalSteve

      Its called UN Rewilding – driving people out of the countryside into cities, where they can be tagged, bagged and controlled.

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    David Maddison

    Guide to deciphering politically correct COVID variant names back to original names.

    Strain, designation, politically correct name

    UK strain B.1.1.7 Alpha
    South African strain B.1.351 Beta
    Brazil strain P.1 Gamma
    Indian strain B.1.617.2 Delta

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      MP

      Just waiting for the theta strain, maybe it will make sense then.

      https://lucid.me/blog/5-brainwaves-delta-theta-alpha-beta-gamma/

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      So what do you call all the other Indian strains?

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      clarence.t

      alpha, beta, gamma, delta..

      wow, talk about cultural appropriation. !!!

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      Chris

      An article in the Jerusalem Post discussed people with HIV contracting Sars-Cov-2. These people did not recover in so much as they cycled in and out of being symptomatic and asymptomatic. Each time they cycled they tested positive for another variant, some variants were milder, some more serious and some immune to the vaccines. All this was occurring in individuals because the virus is continually mutating. The researchers believed people with HIV would remain a reservoir of Sars-cov-2 .
      This suggests that say- the’ Brazil ‘strain pops up in London it is not because the virus strain has been carried in by a traveler but rather it is a naturally occurring mutation in the current cases in England.
      Me thinks this is another accessory on the ‘gain of function’ list.

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        Tel

        HIV messes with the T-Cell immunity (the same T-Cell immunity that Dr Fauci sometimes believes in, and sometimes does not … depending on convenience at the time) but HIV leaves the B-Cell (antibody) immune system intact.

        Based on your description there … these cases would prove that T-Cell immunity is a necessary component of the defence against coronavirus and indeed this is the only thing that clears the virus properly. The implication being that while antibodies can reduce symptoms, they cannot actually defeat a coronavirus … which also applies to all the current vaccine technology out there.

        This also implies that vaccine programs won’t make any difference to overall herd immunity, although temporarily they might reduce R numbers, it will bounce back fairly as the next mutation pops up. Broad spectrum protection such as Zinc, Vitamin D, Ivermectin, and the various Ribosome jammers can be used to slow the virus, and keep people alive and in reasonable condition while they get sick and get over it … then you really will have herd immunity.

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          People with reduced immunity — like HIV or transplant patients on immunosuppressants — can harbour long infections and the virus does mutate continuously. Many of the most common variants are appearing in a single person (though I only know of two such persons so far).

          But this is the big fear with leaky vaccines. IF the virus can set up shop in the long run inside someone and keep mutating, they will escape the immune system sometime, and when they do, they will be nastier for the people who have no immunity.

          It’s called immune escape and I wrote about it
          https://joannenova.com.au/2021/05/did-they-forget-to-tell-us-leaky-vaccines-may-trigger-an-arms-race-that-makes-covid-more-dangerous/

          Vaccine programs may make the disease more dangerous because they are a biased filter. They are selecting for the survival of strains of covid that can get around our natural and acquired immunity.

          Thanks Chris, I was not aware of the HIV story in israel.

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          Kalm Keith

          Thanks Chris and Tel for those comments; they give a good outline that rings true.

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            Kalm Keith

            Especially liked the bit about “herd immunity”;

            ” Broad spectrum protection such as Zinc, Vitamin D, Ivermectin, and the various Ribosome jammers can be used to slow the virus, and keep people alive and in reasonable condition while they get sick and get over it … then you really will have herd immunity.”

            ” while they get sick and get over it … then you really will have herd immunity.”

            🙂

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    Robber

    No evidence Solar Homes benefited consumers, finds Victorian Auditor-General.
    “In a scathing report, Andrew Greaves said the program was launched without a business case and insufficient consultation with industry and without considering whether there was any need for government intervention in the solar market.”
    “The state‘s electricity grid was not designed to accommodate high levels of distributed energy resources (DER) such as solar PV panels,” the report said.
    “Energy exported from solar PV panels results in voltage rises, which can lead to damage and deterioration of the network.”
    And what did the Minister for Energy Ms Ambrosio say? “Victorians have spoken volumes for their support for this program and we can see this by the many Victorians that apply for rebates and getting those solar panels installed on their roofs.”
    In other words, offer people government handouts and they take them!

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      clarence.t

      What they are essentially doing is trying to hold off having to build new dispatchable electricity supply sources.

      Will not help with the morning and evening peaks, of course.

      But “virtue™” is there, so all is good !

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      yarpos

      D’Ambrosio speaks in generalities and platitudes. I dont think she understands what she is involved with even at a rudimentary level. Her main job seems to be to stand behind Andrews as an approving noddy dog during TV interviews. Probably why she has been one of the few females not to be thrown under the bus yet.

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      Kalm Keith

      That Victorian Auditor General sounds like a very brave man who is doing his job.

      At last, someone has spoken the truth.

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    Ronin

    As you can see, the whole thing has been designed by idiot politicians and not electrical engineers.

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    Aunty Pravda’s rolling news feed of unacceptable articles for the 24th June – https://thepointman.wordpress.com/rolling-headlines/ #freepointy

    Pointy

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    el gordo

    ‘The Andrews government launched its signature solar rebate scheme despite the department of premier and cabinet flagging the impact of the program on the state’s power grid risked costing consumers hundreds of millions of dollars.’ (Oz)

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    Lance

    Here’s a suggestion for all things politically driven.

    Demand that the Pollies go first into the breach AND legally pledge their entire holdings of any sort to the public on the off chance they are mistaken.

    Multitudes of issues would become moot at that point.

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    Serp

    If Brexit showed us anything it is that incumbent politicians will continue to thwart the clear intentions of their electors for years and the current final deal cannot be acceptable to the people of Northern Ireland so it’s not done yet.

    How many climate change federal elections will it take for Labor to acknowledge their policy setting is wonky?

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      David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

      This story shows some of the extent of the Liberals’ Green credentials. Dangerous. May Barnaby get through to them. Otherwise we’ll have Labor and the Libs with a common (Green) policy at the next election.
      https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-24/barnaby-joyce-nationals-leadership-election-morrison-warning/100237898
      Cheers
      Dave B

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        el gordo

        ‘Can he really stop Australia joining 122 other countries in committing to the net-zero by 2050 target?’

        Yes he can. His time on the back bench has created a charismatic leader?

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        el gordo

        New Agrarian Socialism

        “If the National party room believes that the best deal for regional Australia is to make sure that we secure their jobs, is to make sure that we secure their industries, is to clearly understand, clearly understand the dynamics of an Australian economy as opposed to a Danish one or a German one … if that’s the view of the National party room, that’s the view that I’ll support.”

        Barnaby Joyce

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        Kalm Keith

        The ABC article is written as expected with those endorsing Joyce depicted as being in marginal seats, on the way out and “woman haters”.

        At least that’s the ABCCCCs view.

        Still there’s a lot of inertia there in the form of massive “investments” in woke renewables and all wrapped up in a stinking parcel for taxpayers to share in.

        And they want us to believe that this is government.

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        el gordo

        The closest thing Australia has to match Donald.

        ‘Having grown up in Joyce’s stamping ground of New England, I’ve seen the cult of Barnaby. I’ve talked to constituents who are rusted on Joyce backers because he is one of them, he looks like them, he speaks like them, he articulates their view of the world.’ (Murphy/Guardian)

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    dinn

    Defense Minister Chi Haotian: CCP 2002 secret strategy to take-over N. America via bioweapons https://balance10.blogspot.com/2021/06/defense-minister-chi-haotian-ccp-2002.html

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    clarence.t

    A nice little interview of Steven Koonin by Alan Jones.

    Enjoy ! 🙂

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nor_0MKsmjc

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    Yonniestone.

    Today in Victoria was the end of the Covid QR app amnesty with using the app now compulsory for anyone going about daily life, shopping, work, appointments etc, unless you don’t have the app then a written sign in using name and phone number is acceptable.

    I work at Australia Post where we digitally clock on and off using our ID’s and log onto a scanner that is tracked through the day using a precise GPS system, our personal details are available through all of the systems mentioned with a complete tracking record available for that shift.

    Today we had to scan the QR check in app and were required to do likewise for any businesses we entered through the work day, I refuse to have the app which IMO is simply a self inflicted government tracking system so use the pen and paper method instead, how much longer will the alternative exist until the app is compulsory and why are police looking at travel information through the app records?

    The thin end of the wedge is getting decidedly thicker as liberty erasing policies go unchecked and unchallenged I fear as most people are too gullible and think our betters only have our best interests at heart we are heading into very very dangerous waters and nothing good can come of it.

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    CHRIS

    I support Yonniestone. I ignore this QR-dictatorship- app wherever I go. I’ve been challenged a few times by people who tell me to ” do the right thing” and sign in using QR. In each case, I give them the Hitler Salute and tell them if they want to be a slave, then go live in a dictatorship. I point blank refuse to bow to government bullies.

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      Yonniestone

      Thanks Chris, the main driver for people to comply is large fines and engaging an unpredictable and untrustworthy police force, the weapon of fear is being used to great effect with those that are just hanging in there knowing a huge fine will end it all.

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      yarpos

      Legend. Just wait until the police do a walk through of the pub or restaurant you are in, as they did in the town near us. I am guessing the bravado will fade pretty quickly when it not a young shop assistant you are dealing with.

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    another ian

    “E.M.Smith says:
    24 June 2021 at 6:18 pm
    I’ve lost track of who and how I was pointed at this article / video:
    https://digitalwarriorproductions.com/mike-yeadon-del-bigtree/

    But Mike Yeadon does an excellent job of summarizing all the crap science and crap political maneuvering masquerading as science.”

    1.5 hours, more at

    https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2021/06/23/w-o-o-d-23-june-2021/#comment-146887

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    MP

    In this video the person is filling a complaint with the police on the vaccines, he states he got a FOI from the Government (UK?) on Cremations and burials for the past 6 years 2020 was the lowest of the 6 years.

    https://odysee.com/@thecrowhouse:2/MARK-SEXTON—Police-officer-speaks-out,-Watch-and-share-thi:b

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    R.B.

    The Guardian

    IPCC steps up warning on climate tipping points in leaked draft report

    As if the IPCC would want to keep a lid on such warnings. Looks like crass propaganda. Robust science is not the numbers anymore, it’s got to read like a Le Carré novel.

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    another ian

    “jim2 says:
    24 June 2021 at 8:01 pm
    New search alternative!

    https://search.brave.com/

    Via Chiefio

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    MP

    TGA Vaccine safety report, 318 deaths, up from 303 last week. 31,641 injuries.

    https://www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-24-06-2021

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      So 15 in a week?

      The death rate in Australia is 6/1000 per year. Deaths are reported in the period soon after a dose and doses per week have varied so it is not a simple calculation for the whole period so I’ll just take the most recent week.

      Per week there are around 1/10000 deaths. 15 deaths would be expected in the week following 150000 doses (ie 150000 people). Since there were more than 400,000 doses administered in the week prior it appears that the vaccine is saving lives.

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        MP

        Yet there they are listed under Vaccine deaths, not cardiovascular, not renal not anything else, vaccine.

        They were reported to the TGA website, take it up with them.

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          Incorrect. Any death that follows vaccination is reported and investigated. That is how these are listed.

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            MP

            Proof of investigation, I get hearsay. They investigated the deaths on the 24th, did the autopsy and reported on the 24th. Got it.

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              No idea what you are on about. Those 318 deaths followed about 6 million doses or about 4 million people. The deaths that were investigated and found to be related to the dose are all AZ clotting incidents and are well reported. You do the maths on the expected deaths by chance.

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                MP

                Yet there they are under vaccine deaths. Are you saying that all cause deaths have stayed the same. Do you think that a recently vaccinated, then dies in a car, suicide falling off a cliff, is still listed as vaccine death.

                You said (and they say) they were investigated, where is the proof of investigation. They said nothing to see here!

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                Well car accident and suicide would not be listed I think – although an adverse affect could cause either of those – but other causes would be. Note that it is also up to the medic (of whatever type) to issue a report.

                True that the page you linked to does not have the investigation reports or whatever it is they do. Maybe you could FOI them?

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        MP

        Saving lives from what, are you saying all those vaccinated would of caught the Kungflu and died had it not been for them submitting to the experimental gene modification, there by increasing the death toll from zero to ?

        Trying to justify your own stupidity, what are you up to now, days AV (after vaccine) I know your counting, then just when its safe to go back into the water, shot 2. reset and recount.

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          the death rate is lower than expected therefore the injection is life giving. duh.

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            MP

            All cause mortality is above average year to date, below average for the 2020 period.

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            MP

            How do you figure life giving, virtually nobody has tested positive to the PCR test. How is it life giving, you are making stuff up now?

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              I think you are missing my humour or attempt thereof.

              The rate of death – using my probably dodgy calculation – was lower than expected by chance. Ergo the injection is preventing some deaths.

              MP – this just points to a problem with your original post. Context. Without giving a figure of what is expected, the numbers have no meaning. Is it high, low, about normal?

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                MP

                Yeah missed the humor, my bad. Thought it was strange coming from your normally logical self.

                Which is also my point, why is everything being left open to interpretation, you do not do this in business let alone peoples health.

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                The fact that they are not stating that there is a problem with the number of deaths is not because they are hiding them, it is because there is not a problem.

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                MP

                Believe opinion?

                If they are proven, to not be vaccine related, then keeping them listed under vaccine deaths is also misinformation.
                Not saying their lying just not full disclosure.

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                They are deaths that were reported to have followed the vaccine. It is the raw data and this is unchanged even after analysis shows that there is no causative link between the vaccine and the death.

                Just like temperature records that get homogenised. The raw data is still there untouched.

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                MP

                Its not data, its opinion. Where is the data?

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                If someone sends in a report (yes opinion) that someone died 2 days after the dose, that is data.

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            clarence.t

            I hope you have had your double dose of experimental vaccine, Gee Aye.

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      another ian

      And

      “Bee-Clowned”

      ​​​​​​​https://catallaxyfiles.com/2021/06/25/bee-clowned/

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    Hanrahan

    A semblance of normality is returning to Nth Qld. The Ingham show is on and will be in Townsville next week.

    I’m not normally nice to showies but a year without income would have been tough.

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    el gordo

    ‘And this year the narrative is playing out, with the Gascoyne region on track to have possibly its wettest year on record. Pastoralist Hamish McTaggart from Bidgemia Station, located 10 kilometres east of Gascoyne Junction, said it was an amazing year.

    “I keep saying unprecedented, I can’t remember ever feeling like this on a cattle station in eight-inch rainfall country,” Mr McTaggart said.

    “It is a season that I possibly might never see again in my lifetime.” (Weatherzone)

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    el gordo

    The US heatwave is putting models to the test, they are all predicting a critical situation.

    ‘The proximate cause of this event is a huge/persistent ridge of high pressure, part of a highly anomalous amplification of the upper-level wave pattern.

    ‘There is no evidence that such a wave pattern is anything other than natural variability (I have done research on this issue and published in the peer-reviewed literature on this exact topic).

    ‘So without global warming, a location that was 104F would have been 102F. Still a severe heat wave, just slightly less intense.’ (WUWT)

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    another ian

    On a lighter note, see https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2021/06/grrrooooaaaannn.html for a really bad pun.

    Via Chiefio

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    el gordo

    The difference between weather and climate is only a matter of time.

    ‘Heavy rainfall will move from north-western Western Australia all the way across to Queensland leaving most of the state soaked.

    ‘The Top End, despite being in the middle of its dry season, experienced record rainfall this week with Elliott, a suburb halfway between Darwin and Alice Springs receiving 55mm of rain on Thursday – the highest June rainfall since 1973.’ (Daily Mail)

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    el gordo

    Rio accused over dumping of artefacts

    ‘Traditional owners of the Karijini gorges where Rio Tinto owns the Marandoo mine accuse the company of allowing hundreds of cultural artefacts dating back 18,000 years to be dumped at a tip.’ (Oz)

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      Yarpos

      So which location they are left outside rotting is important?

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        el gordo

        It happened a long time ago and Rio still hasn’t changed its ways.

        ‘Eastern Guruma traditional owners of Rio Tinto’s multi-billion dollar Marandoo mine, say they are “left with nothing” after finding out the company approved the destruction of artefacts salvaged from their important and sacred sites in the 1990s, and failed to tell them of the decision.’ (Guardian)

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    el gordo

    The truth is still out there.

    ‘US officials who briefed reporters on condition of anonymity said there were “no clear indications” that the sightings could be linked to alien life. There is also no definitive linkage of sightings to potentially unknown technology of an adversary like Russia or China.

    “It’s clear that we need to improve our capacity to further analyse remaining UAP observations, even as we accept that there are some limits to our capacity to characterise and understand some of the observations that we have,” one official said.’ (SMH)

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      yarpos

      Nice to see some humility, just a little unsettled science I guess

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        el gordo

        Yes, a world superpower says we don’t know what it is, but they will officially collect data.

        Washington is also aware that Russia and China have nothing to match the speed and agility of this aerial phenomenon.

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