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Climate Distress? ABC offers therapy and forgiveness to failed Ecowarriors who still use plastic nappies and styrofoam cups

It’s all a bit much for snowflakes

The ABC is just a Lifestyle Magazine for the Upperclass, paid for by everyone else.

For twenty years the media EcoRulers told people they will destroy the Earth if they use disposable coffee cups and nappies.  Their whole identity as a Good Person depended on doing the right thing. And “every little bit matters” — etcetera, and ad nauseum.

Who would have guessed that asking people to save the Planet with every purchase would cause anxiety, a perpetual sense of failure, and long term stress? 

And it never mattered anyway — the point was not the environment, but the political power. So now that hapless fans are being struck down with “Climate Distress”  — it’s time to forgive them.

Here’s the ABC Agony Aunt column letting all of them off the hook:

Climate distress is real and it’s rational. Here’s how to manage it

Edwina Seselja

While researching how to reduce her carbon footprint a few years back, Brisbane woman Zara Monteith quickly fell down an anxiety-inducing rabbit hole, with each search opening her eyes to a different environmental problem to try to solve.

Despite doing everything she could, Zara felt like nothing she did to reduce her consumption or environmental impact made a difference.

She saw a psychologist and said “I just can’t do anything”.  And the psychologists said ‘I feel the same way.'”

Now is not the time to mention that “every little bit helps”. The new approach is “nevermind“.

No-one is perfect

First up, recognise that you’re not always going to be able to make the environmental choice and be the perfect Instagrammable eco-warrior.

For some families disposable nappies are necessary, for some products styrofoam containers are unavoidable and on some days the air conditioner is going to run for much longer than the climate (or your wallet) would like.

Plan B is “cry”:

Dr Burke says emotion-focused coping means addressing the uncomfortable feelings like guilt or hopelessness.

She says this can be done by “moving” the stress hormones out of your body through actions.

“That might be things like having a cry —

So if you have to use disposable diapers, you can. Whole generations were raised on cloth nappies, but we can’t expect EcoWorriers to do that. Just like using your own mug rather than a styrofoam-dolphin-killing cup. It’s all too hard.

What matters is just that Ecoworriers are saying the right thing, they’re in the right Team, even if they can’t adopt all the symbolic tokens. No one really cared about the plants, the poor or the dolphins, they just wanted to look like they cared.

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161 comments to Climate Distress? ABC offers therapy and forgiveness to failed Ecowarriors who still use plastic nappies and styrofoam cups

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    Glen Livingston

    Perhaps if there was a pill they could take to feel better!! Lets invent “Soma” the one pill to cure everything. No one should have to face the trials and tribulations of life while feeling bad about themselves…..should they?

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      Yonniestone

      There needs to be more ‘red pilled’ people out there, its a very powerful drug that repairs the critical thought processes and spinal column and is absolutely free.

      Unlike their ABC which for the cost is a very bitter pill to swallow.

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      another ian

      Sounds like Victor Borge’s uncle got there first – the one who invented “the cure for which there was no disease”

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      Ronin

      The ecoworriers could do the planet a favour and top themselves if it is all too much.

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      Me thinks they need what Robin Williams suggested;
      [Snip]

      Or given the damage Gang Green and those they have gulled are doing us,just maybe they need the pill for the people who worry about everything,all the time..
      One little white pill to cure all their ills..
      I think Jimmy Jones mixed it into the Kool Ade.

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    Lloyd

    I suspect the folk who angst about disposable nappies never had kids themselves.

    The thought of having to clean a soiled cloth nappy in anything other than a full blown biohazard suit gives me the screaming heeby jeebies.

    As far as I’m concerned disposable nappies are right up there with iPhones and Netflix as miracles of modern living.

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      Hasbeen

      A funny story.

      I was a cruising yachtie, my lady was a Sydney city type when I met her. She joined me. When our daughter was about 5 months old we sailed from Townsville to Brisbane. This was cruising, anchored at night, stopped for a few days if the wind blew the wrong way or too hard, or if we found an isolated beach we liked.

      She was a bit of a cupboard greenie, & did not like the idea of dumping disposable nappies at sea, or even burying them on an isolated island, so stocked up on cloth nappies.

      Washing cloth nappies at sea without running water & a sewerage system, ie in a bucket is not that pleasant, so she had a brilliant idea. She attached a number of them to my mackerel line, & towed them along behind, to let nature, & the ocean wash them.

      It certainly got rid of the brown stuff, but even the crystal clear pristine waters of the Great Barrier Reef did not return them as white as before, even after a hand washing in fresh warm water. She found this hard to understand, until one day she forgot them, & they spent a few hours washing behind the yacht.

      When she retrieved them, she found not well washed nappies but a nasty concoction of nappy & dark green plankton sludge the nappies had filtered out of that crystal clear reef water. She suddenly realised that nature was not quite as pristine as she’d thought, & now knew why the nappies had not retained their whiteness when washed in it.

      As the plankton sludge was no nicer than what it had replaced, she cut my good mackerel line & consigned the mess to the deep, where it promptly sunk.

      She learnt many lessons from our boat. She became quite fond of a school of little fish that set up home under our boat when moored in Shute harbor. She would feed them bread crumbs & scraps they would dash out & grab when she threw it over the side. She was quite upset when she found they would also dash & grab schools of smaller fish when they drifted by on the tide.

      Forty years later she is a wiser less naive lady, who knows nature is far from kind, or pristine, & has to be grabbed by the throat & shaken to extract anything good from it, [or her if you believe in mother nature], unless you live in a city high rise of course. You can believe almost anything up there in the clouds.

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    Ed Zuiderwijk

    Does Australia have white cliffs somewhere where people can jump?

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    Travis T. Jones

    I guess she failed the training for ‘rational’ … and the ‘calm, objective focus on facts’ part as well …

    ‘Sink into your grief.’ How one scientist confronts the emotional toll of [global warming]

    “I was trained to be calm, rational, and objective, to focus on the facts,” sustainability scientist Kimberly Nicholas recalls in her new book

    In 2017, she and climate scientist Seth Wynes, now at Concordia University, published a high-profile paper showing the most effective actions to reduce an individual’s carbon footprint—such as flying less or shifting to a vegetarian diet—are rarely emphasized by governments or educators.

    But it was the study’s finding that going childless could dramatically reduce a person’s contribution to global warming that generated headlines—and controversy—around the world.” 

    >> If only her parents were as enthusiastic about saving the planet by going childless, the planet would be saved by now!

    https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/04/sink-your-grief-how-one-scientist-confronts-emotional-toll-climate-change?utm_campaign=news_daily_2021-04-12&et_rid=383837843&et_cid=3732366

    Further evidence that only people with a pre-existing mental disorder are attracted to the “culture of death” or a “liberal-environmentalist suicide pact” that is 100% failed 97% doomsday global warming.

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    Kalm Keith

    That last paragraph sums it up;

    “they just wanted to look like they cared.”

    The scientific Truth about Absolutely Catastrophic Human Origin Man Made Global Warming is Knowable but for some reason we are banned from that higher knowledge.

    Just ask Murray Salby, Peter Ridd and Bob Carter about the difficulties associated with countering unscientific science.

    And yet, there is a simple scientific truth about our atmosphere that’s just waiting to be told.

    This is a start;

    https://joannenova.com.au/2021/04/tuesday-open-thread-51/#comment-2420115

    If the true message about CAGW was made public there would be No Eco Guilt and politicians would not have a weapon to beat us over the head with.

    That would be unacceptable to the Ruling Elites.

    KK

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      Deano

      That’s the problem with the Climate Change Cult – it’s a philosophy of hopelessness. All they offer is endless reduction and restriction and it’s never enough. There’s no reward for effort or inspirational pathway to success and that’s why they’re set up to fail. They attack capitalism as if it’s hell-bent on destroying the earth, yet never stop to consider that their own path will lead to destruction for sure.

      The already amazing advances in energy efficiency were only made possible because research was funded either directly by profitable businesses, or indirectly via taxpayer funded universities. And rich nations can afford to be cleaner. Even China is getting sick of living in their own filth.

      Greta Thunberg is the perfect icon for the eco-warrior’s state of mind.

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    Broadie

    An irrational and unattainable goal could lead to ‘Chronic Depression

    I watch bright hard working women (currently busy bundling soft plastics) struggle with anxiety. What do they have in common? They watch the ABC, Netflix, ‘The Project’, communicate by Facebook messenger and Instagram, wear Apple watches,take anti depressants and talk about the latest diet.

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    David Maddison

    Some elements of the Left already have their own “Church of Euthenasia” to implement a more serious solution (from their point of view) to save the planet.

    The Church of Euthenasia

    Its most popular slogan is “Save the Planet, Kill Yourself,” and its founding ideology is set in one commandment, “Thou Shalt not Procreate,” and four main pillars: suicide, abortion, cannibalism (of the already dead), and sodomy (“any sexual act not intended for procreation”). The church stresses population reduction by voluntary means only, and rejects murder and eugenics as a means of achieving it.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Euthanasia

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    Penguinite

    Echo worriers? Pathetic! Psychologist attempting to calm by parroting his client’s words! Pathetic!

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    George McFly......I'm your density

    I wonder if the therapist does this little thing called reality therapy?

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    David Maddison

    We have no genuine environmental problem in the West because anthropogenic global warming is a fraud. Secondary pollution such as litter is not common either in Western countries because people properly dispose of their garbage (with rare exceptions).

    Litter is an extremely serious problem in Third World countries from a Westerner’s point of view, but not a Third Worlder’s point of view where litter is dumped everywhere, including in rivers where it ends up in the ocean. Third World litter and other pollution is exempt from complaints by the do-gooders.

    In the West garbage goes to either landfill or in more advanced and rational countries (not Australia) is allowed to be burned in incinerators which use the heat for useful purposes.

    There is no problem with landfill either. Contrary to popular beliefs there are plenty of sites available in countries like Australia or the US/Canada and landfill may become a valuable mineable resources for future generations as a source of raw materials such as hydrcarbos (from plastics) or metals.

    We do however have a very serious problem with the education system which is producing vast numbers of mindless drones, incapable of independent thought or action, and who believe whatever garbage (pardon the pun) they are told.

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      Richard Owen No.3

      David,

      Back in the 1980’s I saw a piece from a large chemical company (in the USA) which had become sick and tired of being accused of polluting the air, when the smells was caused by a huge rubbish dump next to their site. It was progressively covered with earth as one area was filled, but the surface would soon start heaving and releasing gases. They tested these gases and found a high concentration of methane, so arranged a series of pipes to remove the gases and burn them in their plants. Result end of smells, lots of cheap energy for them and a happier public.
      Wouldn’t be allowed these day.

      Northen Europe is keen on burning household rubbish, it doesn’t reach a high enough temperature for electricity generation but is good for area hot water heating. Apartment blocks, swimming pools, de-icing roads and sporting fields etc. And by EU decree the resulting CO2 emissions don’t count (just like burning wood).

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        I recently discovered a tool called google. Try it – it is a very useful tool that can help you make informed comments instead of displaying ignorance.

        It is at google.com. When there type in methane from landfill or similar and be amazed and informed that, in fact, rubbish dumps are allowed to be used for energy generation these days.

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      So David, you don’t rate habitat fragmentation from land clearing and city building? Have you been to England? Have you seen red dust in Sydney?

      Western countries have only pristine waterways? Have you been to Melbourne or Echuca?

      Western countries have healthy population of small mammals. Have you seen a rabbit or a fox or a cat in outback Australia?

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        robert rosicka

        “Red dust in Sydney” ? Is that unprecedented or something , I remember when Bedourie was the focus of “unprecedented” by the ABC after a massive dust storm went through but a quick check of the towns name caused much embarrassment after it was discovered Bedourie means place of dust storms .

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          I couldn’t give an eff about precedents. Top soil loss is being lost from cleared land completely and irreversibly affecting the bioshpere.

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            Top soil loss in Australia is one of the most important environmental issues we face. That and feral animals. Salinity in some areas.

            Shame the “enviro” groups waste so much of their political capital fighting fake problems.

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              Tilba Tilba

              Top soil loss in Australia is one of the most important environmental issues we face. That and feral animals. Salinity in some areas.

              I would add water conservation and management to your list.

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            robert rosicka

            Dust storms in oz were here long before the poms moved in , yes some farm practices of old caused problems but these days most farmers know how to manage the land to prevent big soil losses.
            On the other side of the coin though dust being blown over the oceans can have a positive effect.

            https://theconversation.com/saharan-dust-feeds-the-ocean-and-locks-away-carbon-too-25362

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              robert… this is irrelevant. Top soil is demonstrably and measurably being lost in great quantities affecting the productivity of the land, the native wildlife and waterways.

              This is true and dust storms have been around a long time also.

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              Tilba Tilba

              Dust storms in oz were here long before the poms moved in , yes some farm practices of old caused problems but these days most farmers know how to manage the land to prevent big soil losses.

              Do you think? I remember once on the Great Western Highway heading into Horsham Victoria – the dust-storm was huge, unbelievable. And on one farm beside the road there was a farmer dude out in his tractor ploughing the field, and all the disturbed soil was sailing away to New Zealand.

              We were astonished … we commented on it to the pub manager in town when we stayed there – he said that a lot of farmers were pretty dumb … or words to that effect. I guess he would know.

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                YallaYPoora Kid

                You are just ignorant – what would a publican know? Why would he be able to make a judgement on farming practices? Why not ask a farmer or an agronomist?

                This is same issue of asking Al Gore about climate or Flannery about weather or Turnbull about being humble.

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    PeterS

    We do however have a very serious problem with the education system which is producing vast numbers of mindless drones, incapable of independent thought or action, and who believe whatever garbage (pardon the pun) they are told.

    It’s no accident but by design. Imagine how bad things will be in the adult world by the time these kids grow up! I can see the day when anyone who claims that the CAGW story is a scam will be severely punished. That’s what happens when a lie is told often enough.

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      TdeF

      That’s every education system. It takes a real world education to realise that not everyone is your friend, people take advantage, lie, cheat and steal. And the explosive growth in Universities has made this part of academia.

      Science is a skeptical philosophy but it does not teach you to be a skeptic in your daily life, just to ask questions and want real answers. However it is a great grounding in skepticism which applied to tipping point runaway Amageddon Global Warming (aka Climate Change) makes you quickly realise it is a total scam. Especially after 33 years of it and not a single prediction come true.

      I mean if world temperature was tied to steadily climbing CO2, why hasn’t world temperatures gone up in the last six years, even according to NASA. Six years is no short time, especially as we are our 4th 10 years to act last chance warning.

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        Peter C

        Speaking of he explosive growth of universities, I just checked the Climate Change Research centre at the University of New South Wales. There are so many researchers now. I wonder what they all do?

        https://www.ccrc.unsw.edu.au/ccrc-team

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          As a cooperative research centre, it will have drawn together researchers already in place. There will be a relatively small number of new appointments under the banner of the centre. Apart from contributing to the centre they will be doing what they did before the crc came into existence.

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            Peter C

            Doing nothing useful then.

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              glen Michel

              Most people who come here to this site have done so b3cause they have have questioned the conventional science and have found it wanting or plain preposterous. Sadly, the majority of people who abide by this app3al to save the planet are driven by emotion and are impervious to reason or facts – nothing will change their minds. This vacuous approach also to learning or trying to establish the truth is evident in our academic class. Most would not consider 96 % of CO2 is contained within the oceans.

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              Kalm Keith

              Nameplate: 100% .
              Capacity Factor 33.3%.

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        Tilba Tilba

        Global Warming (aka Climate Change) makes you quickly realise it is a total scam. Especially after 33 years of it and not a single prediction come true.

        The ten hottest years have been since 2005, the seven hottest years since 2104. The Arctic Sea Ice is shrinking rapidly.

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        Tilba Tilba

        I wonder if any of these people who attack the education system, its curriculum, and its teachers – have the slightest experience with the system. Or are they just regurgitating right-wing tropes and memes – as if they are received truths.

        It is the old fallacy … everything back in my day was just peachy, but since then it’s gone to crap. People of a certain right-wing stripe have been running that gig for centuries I reckon.

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    TdeF

    I feel so sorry for the planet. Such a helpless thing, all alone. What did it do to deserve humans? The inhumanity of humans. People are the problem. Except for me, my friends and a few people who provide essential services like pizza delivery, disposable nappies and coffee. And electricity which I use to charge my toothbrush, my phone and my electric car, but very slowly.

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    Peter Fitzroy

    What are is being said here?
    Is it that the ABC published a story that would not have been aired anywhere else (which is inline with the ABC’s Charter)
    Is it because the story itself highlights a problem which has been overlooked?
    Is it because you don;t understand the idea behind cognitive behaviour theory?
    Is it, and this is the most likely, you are happy to trash the planet, because you will not face any consequence?
    So much bile, so much negativity, never anything constructive

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      Dave

      I agree,

      Trashing the planet is disgusting Peter!

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        David Maddison

        https://metro.co.uk/2020/02/05/extinction-rebellion-left-20-tonnes-rubbish-protests-mp-claims-12185637/

        A London MP said the clean up cost for last year’s climate change protests in the capital would have cost hundreds of thousands of pounds.

        Nickie Aiken said authorities cleared 20 tonnes of rubbish left behind by protesters in the capital.

        She said six tonnes of waste had been dumped in just one night after activists camped in Trafalgar Square.

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          another ian

          Ever heard of a social protest that cleaned up after itself?

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            Well I hadn’t until I discovered a tool called google. Try it – it is a very useful tool that can help you make informed comments instead of displaying ignorance.

            It is at google.com. When there type in protesters cleaned up after themselves or similar and be amazed and informed.

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              another ian

              Gee! Eh?

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                Just thank me that you now know and can never, honestly, write those words again.

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                Peter, if only the ABC did what we pay them to do, they’d interview people who disagreed with their personal self-serving ill-informed anti-science ideology. If they did their jobs, they wouldn’t need an agony aunt column to solve all the real distress they contribute too about a non-problem.

                If the ABC did actual research and presented the best of both sides hardly anyone would be consumed with guilt at creating more aerial fertilizer that feeds forests and crops and might, at worst, create a small amount of warming which is almost entirely beneficial.

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                your reply doesn’t match the nesting.

                The ABC is a big organisation with plenty of evidence of research (just ask various government ministers). “In this instance” is a useful string of words to keep up your sleave.

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              Peter Fitzroy

              Jo
              Present both sides, this is done, or if not the bias of the speaker/writer is listed.
              and I do pay them, and I like what they publish, particularly because their charter is about promoting all stories, not just a short list.
              To say that they don’t do actual research is just chaff, they are not a research organisation, they are news and information. Does sky news do research?
              Face it you just can not cope with the diversity that the ABC is, by its charter, obligated to publish.

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        Kalm Keith

        It sounds as though Peter has delved into self analysis with this comment.

        Well done Peter, personal introspection at its best.

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        Kalm Keith

        A truly disgusting mess.

        It will rot there forever.

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        glen Michel

        That should shut him up.

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      Ronin

      Hey, I added my suggestion.

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      R.B.

      Surely you can complain about leaches sucking on the tax-payers purse?

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      yarpos

      Quite the rant, with some really weird disconnected conclusions. Yes I guess we should have realised that anything on the ABC is beyond critique and comment and must be revered. Quite so.

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      TdeF

      So much bile, so much negativity, never anything constructive.

      Well said.

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      Curious George

      ““Men are disturbed not by things, but by the view which they take of them.”
      – Epictetus
      The above quote captures the essence of Cognitive Behavioural Theory (CBT). Cognition refers to thinking. Cognitive Behavioural Theory talks about how cognition shapes behaviour and vice versa.

      There’s a third component to the theory- feelings. CBT explains how thoughts, feelings, and behaviours interact.”

      Peter, I certainly don’t understand the idea “behind” cognitive behaviour theory. The “theory” seems totally arbitrary. “Behind” it anything can be hiding.

      Are you a cognitive behavioural psychiatrist?

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        Peter Fitzroy

        Anyone who raised a child knows CBT. I will assume you are not in that category.

        All you right wingers are interested in is mouthing the outrage stoked by sites like Sky news. Care for the environment, care for those less fortunate than you, stopping slavery, violence against anyone are all foreign concepts to you. you could take Gee Ayes suggestion and do some research.

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          Peter – you can count on any thread to be full of, “I certainly don’t understand “, statements used as an argument to back up a position. They don’t know they are doing it.

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            “All you right-wingers” are effectively selfish mindless puppets of corporate media — says the intolerant, bigoted and ignorant Peter.

            Just projecting all your own flaws again?

            Which side of politics stopped slavery?

            As it happens I’m a fan of CBT in it’s many forms — often better than Pharmaceuticals. But the answer to “climate angst” is free speech and real science, not CBT.

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              Peter Fitzroy

              Yep

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              wrong nesting again… maybe an admin problem.

              Since it is addressed to me I can comment though aye? This response is the very definition of a triggered snowflake reply.

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                Serp

                I just took it as given that Jo’s comments always arrive as reply to a reply, and I had supposed that leapfrogging an echelon may be a privilege available to the site’s supremo.

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                YallaYPoora Kid

                You are forgiven for your snowflake responses – even you can be educated.

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      Tilba Tilba

      So much bile, so much negativity, never anything constructive

      Shills for the fossil-fuel industries … Santos, Chevron, Woodside. You cannot make a person see something if their salary depends on not seeing it. Way of the world.

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    David Maddison

    It is indeed part of the design PeterS. And is being played out almost exactly as portrayed in Nineteen Eighty Four.

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    David Maddison

    ### Numbering of replies messed up again. ###

    [Should be ok now a few caught and released by auto filter.]AD

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    David Maddison

    From time to time I participate in Clean Up Australia Day whereby volunteers go and clean litter from their local environment. It is a non-political charity but I must say I have only ever seen normal, rational people participate, never anyone that seemed to be a “committed green”. That’s a fairly typical observation that I’ve made of never seeing Leftists involved in or giving charity.

    Also, I do a lot of bushwalking (hiking). I have never seen a green type participate in that either. I guess it’s too much like hard work.

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      Maptram

      Likewise the green types probably get their information about climate change from the ABC and similar, they don’t get out and see what real climate is.

      A couple of weeks ago there was some discussion about the definition of climate. It was suggested that an IPCC or similar organisation had a definition that was about averages, average temperature, average rainfall etc. Those of us who live in the real world know that the average climate is fake climate, it very seldom happens, and if it did, that would be real climate change.

      For example, from BOM records, I can see that the long term average rainfall for Townsville is about 93mm per month, that would be the IPCC definition of the rainfall component of climate, and any variation from that would be climate change. However, the real records show average monthly rainfall for Dec to Mar of 222mm and the average for Apr to Nov is 30mm. Any change from those sorts of rainfall patterns would be real climate change.

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        Murray Shaw

        Yes Maptram, in the 60s we had an American firm that was in the tomato growing business in the US, move to our area to grow tomatos for a counter-cyclical supply. They moved to Griffith as the climate average was the same as their home base in Southern California. It was some 39 years later when having a conversation with the gentleman who was the prime mover of the local operation he lamented that they had been here for 39 years and had yet to have an average year.
        Says it all really!

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      another ian

      David

      “Caring like CNN” (/s)

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      David, I’m not a political green but I have lead/ co-led local Clean Up events over some time and can assure you that everyone who turns up is normal and a good number are greens. Same with bush walking.

      I think what you have discovered about greens by your own admission, although you don’t realise it, is that they are normal people who you can’t distinguish from other people whether at clean up events or bush walking. There is no way that none of those people you are viewing are of the left.

      I bumped into Bob Brown on a trail in Namadji a few years ago.

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        glen Michel

        I call BS

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          OK… I didn’t bump into him. I passed him on the trail and we acknowledged each other in the way that walkers do.

          I suppose you are one who thinks they can pick a green or a “lefty” without them even opening their mouths.

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            glen Michel

            Well I once spent a night with Karl Kruschanicki? The guy with the silly shirts in a secluded hut in the depths of SW WA. Nothing much happened really, but I decided to drink a 2liter cask of red wine so I could better tolerate him.

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    Neville

    Well here’s another good news story about Humpback whales to try and help the looney luvvies.
    And in just a 5 minute video Dr Rosling has shown the incredible progress we’ve made in the last 200 years. Thanks to FOSSIL FUELS. Will they ever WAKE UP? Here’s the booming Humpback whale link.

    More wonderful news on the booming Humpback whale population since 1970.
    Numbers have increased to 40,000 compared to 1500 just 50 years ago. A lot of food for thought in those numbers, because we are told repeatedly by our media that we’re ruining the ocean environment.

    https://www.voanews.com/east-asia-pacific/australian-humpback-whale-numbers-surge-scientists-warn-climate-change-threat

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      TdeF

      And the discovery of fractioning saved the whales and other sources of oil, oil which is essential not just for power and lubrication but provided light in the dark. It’s only old plant matter returning to its original state, CO2 and water, releasing the stored solar energy. Nothing could be more natural than oil, whether from the ground or sunflower seeds or oil from olives which lit the Roman empire. The only argument is that we are using it too fast, but that is not true. The total human output is tiny compared with the massive CO2 exchange in the biosphere anyway.

      No one is praising oil and coal and gas. No one points out that coal as coke saved the forests of Europe, saved the whales, saved the forests. The demonization of carbon dioxide continues largely by people who do not understand Green is chlorophyll which is also a long chain hydrocarbon.

      Looking back on it all I have to wonder where we would be if the ten trillion dollars wasted on solar panels and windmills and distribution, blots on the landscape all, was spent on mastering nuclear fusion. That would be the end of our need for energy. But the Green druids and their lawyers and bankers say no.

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        Richard Owen No.3

        Ah, but when we revert back to the seventeenth Century as the Green loonies want, we will have good supply of whale oil for our lamps.

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          David Maddison

          Absolutely. Look at what happens when people are devoid of inexpensive resources due to socialism. They strip the environment bare. Look at Venezuela, one of the first things the suffering people destroyed were the zoos. They are the animals due to starvation arising from glorious socialism.

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            David Maddison

            That was meant to say they ATE the animals.

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              TdeF

              The same thing happened in Uganda under Idi Amin. He expelled the Indian population. People stripped the store and they did not magically refill. The trains did not run because they were run by the Indians. The place came to a shuddering halt and the zoos were emptied as food.

              You see if you get rid of all the hard working rich educated and qualified people who know how to run things, no one has a job and it all falls apart and everyone is equally poor. And starving. Pol Pot taught us that. And Stalin’s last pogrom was against the Jewish doctors, which is why he died. Apart from Beria’s poison. Like Robespierre, he was the last victim of his own terror, itself justified by communism.

              And today’s baying mob are the usual protestors against everything demanding something now called Climate Justice. Soon there will be a new group of Marvel superheroes, the Climate Justice League. No one knows what it means but like BLM and AntiFA, it’s a great excuse for largely peaceful mayhem, arson and violence.

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        David Maddison

        Coal, oil, gas, uranium and proper hydro were once praised as they were seen as one of the miracles of Western Civilisation. We were even encouraged to use more to improve our standard of living.

        Now thanks to the Left, no one promotes them, and we are asked or forced to minimise or eliminate their consumption along with accepting a commensurate decline of our standard of living (except for the Elites who profit from the destruction of cheap energy).

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      Nev- can you conceive of the possibility that we are polluting and depleting the oceans at the same time that whale numbers are increasing (in no way recovering by the way) due to the fact that we are not slaughtering them?

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        Curious George

        “whale numbers are increasing (in no way recovering by the way)”
        You are too sophisticated for me.

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          But we are depleting the whales by artificially stopping people hunting sharks — which we idolize.

          I bet the baby whales wish we’d go back to killing sharks.

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            My point, which was too subtle for George and seemingly yourself, is that focusing on one aspect is simplistic and wrong.

            Shark are part of an ecosystem that is affected by human and non-human factors in all sort of ways including depleting fish stocks that shark feed off. So shark numbers are low (though big shark numbers are higher, though still low, in some regions than previously) AND whale numbers are low AND food lower down the chain is low. Historical accounts, which includes some systematic surveys, suggests that both shark and whale (and seals and porpoise etc) were in much larger numbers hundreds of years ago. Sharks eating whale would have been a more common occurrence.

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    What an abuse of inductive logic! An ABC journalist finds a person suffering mental illness about her environmental footprint and it gets generalised as an ‘epidemic’! Anecdotal journalism is fake news, Eco-porn.

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      TdeF

      Very good comment. It is awful how fragile people like this are exploited for eco-sensationalism when she is in real trouble with life. Appalling Greta Thunburg exploitation is rife too. Mentally fragile at least she is aware enough of her opportunistic users to bite back. Which must surprise them. “How dare you” will be her life motto. And it will not be about Climate Change but child exploitation.

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    Flok

    ABC requires column-oscopy.

    As for the modern psychology and such practices. Fixes nothing except the psychologist’s back pocket. It is another bias practice in a bias group.

    “Great mention of the twenty years of EcoRulers told the people”. Trillions spent. Zero impact.

    Nothing fixes clutter and excess like well organised larger plastic boxes that really want you to put a sticker on so the box knows what is in it.

    mmmm that fuzzy warm feeling of cleaning up the dust off the same plastic boxes 20 years down the track.

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    Earl

    The ABC doesn’t tell fibs, it just omits some elements.
    A week or so ago, I awoke to ABC news radio, ( unfortunately my wife still believes ) to a headline,” Today is the tenth anniversary of the Fukushima-Diani, nuclear disaster in which 15000 people died.” To gullible 16/18 who may never before heard of the tsunami, ( and believe me there are a few) that caused the disaster, they may get the impression that it was entirely a nuclear accident. Is that that intention, or just very poor journalism?

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      David Maddison

      It is the basic duty of a journalist to.investigate the truth and state the facts.

      Therefore, if a journalist says it, it is their intention.

      In this case they deliberately mislead as it is practically impossible not to know the facts of what happened.

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      Curious George

      Disasters sell. You did – and will – hear of a “deadly riot of January 6”. A dangerous crowd armed with a deadly fire extinguisher occupied the Capitol.

      I don’t approve of the occupation of the Capitol, but why do they keep lying about it?

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        Murray Shaw

        Yes George, as far as I can tell the only armed person there other than the Capitol Police, was the BLM activist John Sullivan who was a paid activist by CNN and Our own ABC who was armed, to wit, with a knife and was proffering it to persons unknown in his own video, evidently wishing someone to commit harm with it.

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    Neville

    This 5 minute BBC video from Dr Rosling should be compulsory viewing for every school child around the world. But then again Dr Rosling’s TED Q&A talks showed that some of the most ignorant, clueless answers were sourced from so called tertiary educated people. Unbelievable but true.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbkSRLYSojo

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    another ian

    “The people who told them Trump “colluded with Russia” — are telling them the election wasn’t stolen.

    The people who told them Trump said neo-Nazis were “fine people” — are telling them the election wasn’t stolen.

    The people who told them Trump advised to “drink bleach” — are telling them the election wasn’t stolen.

    If you want to them to believe the election wasn’t stolen, you’ll need to find new people.”

    Link at

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2021/04/13/nothing-seems-to-be-working-7/

    In the link

    “CNN knows what it is doing with this stuff. It’s not a blunder. It’s not poor journalism. It’s the new journalism. Their role is not to report facts, it’s to report their expert determination of the correct opinion.”

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      Murray Shaw

      Yes Ian, see the Project Veritas latest insider film of CNN director explaining that their main focus was to get rid of Trump and to cover for Biden and they were successful, and now their focus is one to support Climate Change Action. All on the Michael Smith News website.
      CNN admitting to activism not journalism in their own words. An amazing Scoop and it needs widespread circulation, hopefully Sky will pick it up, but cannot see the other MSM mentioning it.

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    Zigmaster

    This article as bizarre as it is, is in fact the most obvious way to kill the catastrophic climate change meme. Even if you believe in it there is nothing you can do about it. On sky last light Nicholas Rease was asked by Mark Latham how much does the temperature drop if we take all this action. Because he knew the answer all he could really say was , but everyone has to do their bit. Rita then added the data about how many coal fired power plants China was building and basically they have made no commitments to doing their bit and you could sense Nicholas’s brain trying to reconcile his commitment to doing something and the clear and obvious futility of it all.
    The world has to focus on this total futility to knock some sense that everything we do except go totally nuclear will not make a difference and will cause severe damage to the economic and social well being of society.The trillions of dollars diverted into this insane pursuit of lowering the temperature could be better served providing education and social benefits for those in need. And then if the temperature does indeed sky rocket then at least the world will not be made destitute during its last few decades of existence. Futility is a great motivator to do nothing which ironically may be the best antidote for this climate change craziness.

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    Neville

    Here’s Matt Ridley’s 2016 talk from the GWPF concerning GLOBAL WARMING and GLOBAL GREENING. About 40 minutes.
    You can read the transcript or watch the video at this link and it should wake up everyone about how lucky we are and the wonderful GREENING world we live in today.
    Again this should be compulsory viewing for our kids and every so called adult would benefit as well. So when will the donkeys WAKE UP and why do they insist that we WASTE TRILLIONS of $ every year for a GUARANTEED ZERO RETURN?

    https://www.thegwpf.org/matt-ridley-global-warming-versus-global-greening/

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    Neville

    I’m in moderation AGAIN. But why?

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      Neville, the moderation filter is catching and locking up a few people accidentally, and we are as baffled as you are. I assure you. Unfortunately the higher powers of the Gods of Filtering have changed their algorithm. Some people escape the claws by changing slightly their name or their email. Others have to change their IP. We don’t know if some people are collecting “badness points” on other sites and the global filter follows them here. We don’t know if this is a glitch caused by updating the site in December. We don’t know if it’s part of the great global censoring, or a quirk of the shift to bigger longer IP’s.

      So a message to commenters, if you get caught, assume it’s an accident first. The mods will try to suggest things you can do to get around it.

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    Simon B

    Every time I see an actual snowflake like that produced by the East coasts cold snap, I sigh a little relief that we’re a day closer to breaking the cultists grip on society. Every day I hear a story about ABC enabled snowflakes handwringing and seeing ‘professional’ help to cope with everyday weather, I believe we’re 1 more metre down the rabbit hole of being the WEF society that owns nothing and happy to accept the brainwashing propaganda that we’ll happy for it!

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    Lance

    So the ABC is now offering Confession, Absolution, and Indulgences, in the Church of AGW.

    Coddling these fools is a waste of time. The Unicorn/Bunny/Self-Indulgent Crowd need a wake up call.

    Perhaps a month of free labour on a working Farm might help. Or, a month living without electricity and internet.

    The only reason these navel gazing nit wits are so selfishly self absorbed is because they are disconnected from actual reality and live in an ideological bubble devoid of connection to fact, history, logic, economics, engineering, or anything more useful than childish tantrums.

    My step son went through this phase when he was 14. I took away all his electronics for a month and told him if he didn’t like it, to get a job and earn them for himself. Made him do his own laundry and pay for the taxi service I provided him. He got the message in 10 days.

    end of rant.

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    Neville

    This quote from Ridley’s talk about co2 warming and clouds is very interesting. What if higher temps lead to more cloud cooling? Here’s Ridley’s quote.

    “The sensitivity of the atmosphere to CO2 is about 1.2C per doubling. That is the consensus, spelled out clearly (if obscurely) by the IPCC several times over the years. And that’s what we are on course for at the moment.

    So what is the problem? Well, the theory of dangerous climate change depends on a whole extra step in the argument, one that very few politicians and journalists seem even to know about – the supposed threefold amplification of carbon dioxide’s warming potential, principally by extra water vapour released into the atmosphere by a warming ocean, and accumulating at high altitudes.

    This is where the evidence is much more shaky. Some studies find an increase in water vapour high in the atmosphere, others do not. One complication is that water vapour condenses into clouds and we cannot either measure or model clouds anything like adequately yet.

    We know that clouds keep the surface warm at night, while low clouds in particular cool it during the day by reflecting sunlight back into space. But whereas the models generally claim that there is a positive correlation between the net cloud radiative effect and temperature, boosting the water vapour amplification, NASA’s CERES data show that there is a strong and significant, negative correlation: that higher temperatures lead to more cloud cooling. That’s a glaring discrepancy between models and data.

    Consistent with these discrepancies, recent attempts to measure the sensitivity of the climate system to carbon dioxide using real data nearly all find that it is much lower than the models assume, as Nic Lewis, Marcel Crok, Judith Curry and Pat Michaels have shown in recent years”.

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      Kalm Keith

      Hi Neville,

      That quote gives the discussion away immediately.

      “The sensitivity of the atmosphere to CO2 is about 1.2C per doubling.”

      That’s an IPCCCCC misconception or more accurately, a big lie.

      CO2 doesn’t cause global warming, end of story, so the concept of “doubling” is baseless.

      The concept of “amplification” was a late creation in the Wobal Glorming fairy story and was invented after the original CO2 monster was shown to be a joke.

      Next year we will probably be assailed with the terror of interference with CO2 by runaway switching of the s, p, d and f orbitals of the central carbon atoms.

      Oh the horror; more research is needed.

      It’s all fake.

      Control is the whole raison d’etre.

      KK

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    Flyboy 46

    12,000 years ago a glacier covered North America from Seattle to NYC. What melted that glacier? It wasn’t the pony farts from the “Native Americans”, because they hadn’t arrived yet. Can you say “scam”.
    A friend of mine was a 4th grade teacher, and said they used to have a science test that included CO2. If you didn’t know that CO2 was what provided the “carb” in carbohydrates, OUR FOOD supply, you wouldn’t pass to the 5th grade. ALL green plants on Earth, take in nutrients and moisture from the soil, and CO2 from the air, to Grow. Without the CO2, there would be NO plants, and NO FOOD.
    WE only contribute 3.5% of the CO2 in the atmosphere. The rest comes from rotting vegetation, and volcanic eruptions.
    As usual, they want YOUR MONEY. CO2 is all about getting YOUR MONEY for their friends.

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      Lance

      It isn’t just the money. It is also about Control.

      Control the energy supply and you control the economies of Nations and decide who is provided energy.

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      John R Smith

      “CO2 is all about getting YOUR MONEY”

      While I agree this is true, the post demonstrates that there is a huge worldwide social neurosis problem going on here.
      Seems Climate was the mother of it all.
      Exaggerated fears about raci$m, sexi$m, viru$, faci$m.
      The exploitation model was birthed in environmentali$m.
      We are being disabled by the fear generated by the frightening realization that we have so little to fear.

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      Thanks Flyboy. You have changed my mind about everything. I mean how could humans cause warming if there are climate systems that cause glaciations and interglacials? Of course the two things can’t be true.

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        el gordo

        ‘I mean how could humans cause warming if there are climate systems that cause glaciations and interglacials?’

        Glad you mentioned that, humans cannot cause the climate to change in the face of natural variability.

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    Old Goat

    Cognitive dissonance at work agin . Eventually the chicken little syndrome will wear off when the sky continues to stay where it is . Keep at it everyone – at least WE know the truth .

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    Ronin

    O/T, I see Christine Holgate has found her voice, I wonder who geed her up.

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      Herself. She was invited to the senate and spoke freely.

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      TdeF

      In my opinion, she is playing a dangerous game which could cut off future prospects.

      All those ridiculously well paid and privileged posts are political, private or public. Was the salary still over $20,000 a day?
      And the poor lady possibly only received $20Million for her roughly four years as a public servant.

      She was just surprised, which is the real surprise. And this job is in the no mans land between private and public in a time of great change and stress. Of course it was risky to walk out of Blackmores and expect a job for life. And Australia Post went through some tough times, but you expect that on $42 a minute, all expenses paid.

      Life expectancy in such a high flying job? Commonly 2 years. If you last 5 years, you are plotting against the plotters. Someone always has to take the fall. However having secured the job, her departure is now sexism. Same with Raelene Castle. Same with Julia Gillard.

      Ahmed Fahour lasted 8 years though on a salary of $5.6Million a year. As a Lebanese Australian, he did not complain about racism. He took his $50Million and moved on. Roughly the same as Australia Posts record loss that year. It’s hard to feel sorry for either of them.

      It is amazing how there is no glass ceiling as a woman until you lose the job. Then you are a suffragette. Men who lose the same job have to find another. And it pays to either plot against the plotters or apply for your next job on the day you get the first one. No one is worth $5Million a year to do a job.

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        TdeF

        I have to say this one line in her Wikipedia entry would have anyone worried “Holgate had no previous experience in managing logistics systems”. Isn’t that entirely what Australia Post is today?

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        No danger for her. She has her “future prospects” lined up, but it is good that you can see the potential that people in power could use influence to get her back.

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    Ronin

    Sadly, Christine must not have been aware that Aus Post had just come out of a debacle where the previous CEO was paid an extortionate salary and they were guilty of all sorts of financial excesses, she made a bad decision to gift expensive watches to the well paid upper echelon, did our long suffering posties get a watch or even a pat on the back.

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      True, but the stupidest thing is that if she had coolly and rationally replied that grand bonuses paid out in the public service and sweet handshakes are a magnitude or so larger and are the real problem — she could have taken the assertive attack rather than be defensive. Sure the optics was bad, but why is optics so important? Why is the media and opposition consumed with innumerate optics arguments instead of the hard reality of real numbers. Are they all preschool babies who failed math?

      She could have exposed a bigger and more important problem with our national debate and made the attackers feel ashamed. Instead she offered no insight, caved weakly, and now post hoc, is amplifying a dumb “optics” angle.

      She didn’t deserve that leadership position in the first place. She’s let all women down. Does a man in her position complain of being bullied, as if high paid individuals in charge of our national institutions are above criticism?

      The rabid mob came for her, and now she joins another rabid mob. She is no leader.

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        the PM, fresh from another pay rise, could have given that same defense. He chose to attack and the media did not seek out Ms Holgate for an opinion.

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          TdeF

          So he had another pay rise? Our Prime Minister’s new salary is $549,000. That’s half of many of the department heads and Fahour took home $5.6 million in a company he led to a $50Million loss.

          Her predecessor was paid 11x the salary of our Prime Minister. We expect a lot for that money. I do not know what her salary was, but it was nowhere near as low as our PM. And the US President is paid only $400,000 a year. Trump gave his salary away.

          And the PM’s political job lasts only four years, with no guarantees that it lasts that long. Politics is a risky business.

          No, she is complaining about being one of the highest paid women in Australian history, as a public servant. All care we hope but ultimately no responsibility. Holgate is no suffragette. Whatever she achieved, she was extremely well rewarded. It must be very annoying to be brought down for no more than a day’s wages, $20,000.

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            Nice distraction. She is complaining about being sacked and the PM’s abuse of power.

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              TdeF

              Odd. You introduced pay as an issue. Now it is a distraction? Agreed.

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                TdeF

                And she is hardly a struggling postie, which she was at 18. She earned more in a week than a postie earns in a year. Or most people, male or female. More than the top QCs in Australia or top surgeons and vastly more than most Managing directors. Plus she could have bought those watches from her own massive income, not with our money. Like Icarus, you can fly too close to the sun and fall. Nothing to do with gender or abuse of power or a glass ceiling.

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              Ronin

              I thought she resigned

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                TdeF

                Good point. “On 2 November 2020, she offered her resignation, stating that she would not seek financial compensation. A subsequent inquiry found that there was no identified policy that would support provision of Cartier watches.”

                So now the Prime Minister is a villain and she is a victim because of gender and dresses in all white? What changed?

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        Ronin

        Well said Jo.

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    All main plastics are made from oil or coal as such are a good heat source for a furnace of the right design for power generation or for any purpose.
    It has been found that plastic entering the ocean has a bunch of little critters out there that break it down and eat it.
    Therefore it would seem that plastic is a benefit and not a problem. In the same way that extra CO2 is not a problem but a benefit to the planet.

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      Tilba Tilba

      It has been found that plastic entering the ocean has a bunch of little critters out there that break it down and eat it. Therefore it would seem that plastic is a benefit and not a problem.

      Do you get paid by the plastics industry to say such things?

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    DonK31

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GB4Km706gM

    The wonder drug that cures all your ills.

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    CHRIS

    NOT WELL SAID JO. What do you know about leadership? Not much, it seems. I support Holgate in this debacle. ScoMo should not have thrown her to the wolves, and the AusPost Board should have stood up to him, at least until any investigation occurred. Holgate could have awarded $600K in bonuses, but instead gave out $20K of watches. What’s the problem? In this situation, a Board (public OR private) MUST support the CEO until any sort of criminality is proven. This did not happen.

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    I checked out the “climate distressed” hippy, Zara Monteith, who was the subject of the article. She claimed she was doing her best for the environment.

    So, it transpires that she’s a graphic designer who worked on a campaign to promote a, wait for it…..

    …… road widening project
    https://www.latstudios.com.au/projects/rockhampton-northern-access-upgrade

    What a daft hypocrite..

    https://www.latstudios.com.au/people/zara-monteith

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