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Peaceful Trump supporters booed violent ANTIFA poseurs — tried to stop them breaking windows:

These twitter videos make it clear the crowd saw there were ANTIFA members, and, at least in this situation, it was imposters, not the Trump supporters who were trying to break the windows. The Trump supporters boo loudly, chant No Antifa, No Antifa, and some directly try to pull them off.

Trump — by the way — has been banned from Facebook until after the inauguration. Someone is very frightened of what he might say.

h/t Orson, Deplorable Lord Kek, James

 

A close up.

IF the videos don’t work, try them in a different browser. Or watch them at this link, or this one.

An eye witness reports overhearing a conversation from Antifa members.

A search on bitchute finds a lot of odd claims about Antifa at the rally. Keep your skeptical hat on, but let us know what you find.

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    WendyB

    Where were all the police for this event? Usually they are out in droves and with 3 million or so extra bodies in the city there would normally have been police pulled in from surrounding areas. Where was the Antifa counter protest? (Other than those masquerading as Trump supporters). Why was the Capitol building so easily entered?
    Video of Antifa breaking more windows…….
    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1346908554804953088?s=20

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        Brenda Spence

        I saw this on the next thread with Mark Steyn. Worth a look ..most interesting and a different perspective. 😁

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      Deplorable Lord Kek

      The police literally removed barriers and invited protesters into the Capitol Building.

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      OldOzzie

      Why Was Founder Of Far-Left BLM Group Filming Inside Capitol As Police Shot Protester?

      During yesterday’s protest in Washington D.C., a Turmp-supporting US Air Force Veteran, Ashli Babbitt, was shot dead by a Capitol Police officer (who has been placed on leave) as she attempted to climb through a broken window to bypass a barricade, along with other Trump supporters.

      Filming the incident from behind Babbit, however, was Utah resident John Sullivan – founder of the far-left organization “Insurgence USA” who made headlines in July after he was arrested for intimidating drivers in Provo. Sullivan was interviewed by the Daily Mail and CNN following Wednesday’s shooting – both of which failed to provide a satisfactory answer as to why he was there in the first place.

      Sullivan told the Mail that “he was not at the Capitol as part of the protest but did not specify what exactly brought him there.”

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        OldOzzie

        Utah Man With a History of Organizing Violent Antifa, BLM Protests, Was Inside the Capitol

        We’re beginning to learn more about the individuals who were inside the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday.

        A young man named John Sullivan was there. He’s from Utah and the founder of “Insurgence USA,” which is a group dedicated to “racial justice and police reform.” According to numerous news reports, he has a history of organizing leftist protests and identifies with Black Lives Matter.

        Over the summer, Sullivan was arrested after organizing a violent riot in Utah that ended with a shooting. One of the host groups was the Salt Lake Antifascist [Antifa] Coalition. From Deseret News:

        At the U.S. Capitol, Sullivan was standing next to Trump supporter Ashli Babbitt when she was shot and killed by a police officer. In fact, he filmed it.

        On two of his Twitter feeds, you’ll find retweets of footage from Black Lives Matter riots. His profile photo advertises a planned anti-Trump rally on January 6. His Instagram page, where additional footage of previous riots and protests was posted, is no longer available. He also retweeted an Antifa page.

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        OldOzzie

        New Footage Yields More Questions Regarding the Woman Shot And Killed Inside the Capitol Yesterday

        There are many questions from yesterday. Why was it so easy for demonstrators to storm the Capitol? Was the city prepared? Regardless, the fact is that while Congress was debating certifying the 2020 Electoral College results, senators and representatives had to recess and flee to safety as Trump supporters broke into the building. Guns were drawn inside the House chamber as police barricaded the door to prevent protesters from coming inside. The Senate floor was breached. Inside the building, tear gas was deployed and a rumble between police and protesters broke out in the Rotunda. Also, a woman was shot and killed. The footage is not pleasant. You can watch it here [WARNING: Graphic content].

        It clearly shows a police officer shoot the woman who is trying to bust down the door, but as Ben Domenech of The Federalist noted, “This is crazy. There were other cops right behind her.

        Was there an attempt at an arrest? I also understand that this is one of those situations where you could potentially be shot by police. We’ll let the investigation begin as there always is with an officer-involved shooting, but I’m sure more questions will be raised before we get any answers.

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        OldOzzie

        Capitol Police Chief Resigns Following Debacle at Capitol

        Chief Steven Sund of the Capitol Police is stepping down following Wednesday’s debacle at the nation’s Capitol. Sund’s resignation is effective January 16.

        The Associated Press reported that Capitol Police turned down an offer from the Pentagon to receive help from the National Guard in preparation for the planned event. Despite heightened tensions over a contentious election and Antifa’s history of counterprotests, the Capitol Police planned only for a free speech demonstration.

        Back in June, Democrats and the media bashed law enforcement over their response to angry rioters who gathered outside the White House and set fire to historic St. John’s Episcopal Church. The AP reports that officials were determined to avoid any appearance of the federal government deploying active duty or National Guard troops against Americans following the White House incident. But the media’s recognition of violence at left-wing events versus right-wing events is night and day.

        As protesters stormed the Capitol on Wednesday, one Trump supporter was shot and killed by Capitol Police. A Utah man known for organizing violent Antifa and BLM protests was spotted standing near the gunned down woman. Footage also shows Trump supporters attempting to stop members in the crowd from breaking into the Capitol.

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        OldOzzie

        Rep. Mo Brooks Says There’s Evidence Antifa Was Involved in Assault on Capitol

        Rep. Mo Brooks (R-Ala.) is imploring people not to rush to judgment on the assault on the Capitol that took place Wednesday afternoon and to wait for an investigation.

        “All may not be (and likely is not) what appears,” he said on Twitter Thursday morning. “Evidence growing that fascist ANTIFA orchestrated Capitol attack with clever mob control tactics.”

        On Tuesday, Brooks says that a Capitol Police officer warned congressman “that intelligence suggested fascist ANTIFA was going to try to infiltrate the Trump rally by dressing like Trump supporters.”

        On the same day, Brooks says Capitol Police advised that “it [was] best not to leave [the] Capitol complex.”

        Finally, Brooks referenced “Evidence, much public, surfacing that many Capitol assaulters were fascist ANTIFAs, not Trump supporters.”

        Here’s the evidence he cited on Twitter:

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      jelly34

      Antifa were allowed into the capitol building so they could blame President Trump supporters for any damage.Also ask ypur self this.Why were there 4 deaths on our side and NONE on either the police or anyone else attached to the DemocRATS or Antifa or BLM,yet the Patriots are branded as terrorists?This was all staged.

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      OldOzzie

      FINALLY SOMEONE WITH A SPINE! President of Chicago Police Union Defends Capitol Protesters: ‘There Was No Arson… Looting…’

      The President of Chicago’s Police Union is standing up for the people who stormed the Capitol on Wednesday.
      Finally… someone with a spine!

      Speaking to Chicago public radio station WBEZ, John Catanzara of the Fraternal Order of Police pointed out that the protest was “a bunch of pissed-off people that feel an election was stolen, somehow, some way.”

      “There was no arson, there was no burning of anything, there was no looting, there was very little destruction of property,” Catanzara added.

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    RossP

    I have read elsewhere the DC Police actually escorted 4 bus loads of Antifa thugs into DC.

    Will there be an uprising of against the police for shooting (more accurately murdering ) Ashli Babbit. Of course not she was a white, military woman showing her support for the President.

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      Deano

      Ashli Babbit has already been forgotten by the media a day after being killed/murdered. They’re STILL talking about George Floyd.

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    PeterS

    Also, who really shot the woman dead?

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      markx

      Hi Peter, on the basis of your reasoning, she must have been ANTIFA anyway.
      First one through a broken window, so she could not possibly have been a Trump supporter.

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      Ted O'Brien.

      What “medical emergency” did the other three die from? Asphyxiation? Electrocution?

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        Since no one has mentioned anything I suspect it was natural causes like heart attack or stroke. The MSM want to leave the death toll higher as a fake measure of “chaos and violence” and not mention that these protesters were older than the usual teenage rent-a-crowd.

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          OldOzzie

          More Information Revealed on 34-Year-Old Roseanne Boyland who Was Killed at Capitol Hill During Protests — May Have Been Trampled to Death?

          DC Police identified the four Americans killed during the chaos at the US Capitol on Wednesday:

          Ashli Babbit, 35-years-old, Huntington, Maryland
          Benjamin Phillips, 50-years-old, Ringtown, Pennsylvania
          Kevin Greeson, 55-years-old, Athens, Alabama
          Roseanne Boylan, 34-years-old, Kennesaw, Georgia.

          As reported earlier Ashli Babbit was shot in the neck and killed by DC Police on Wednesday.

          Not much is known yet about the other casualties.

          Kevin Greeson from Athens, Georgia reportedly died from a heart attack in the US Capitol.
          Benjamin Phillips reportedly suffered a stroke.

          34-year-old Roseanne Boyland may have been trampled in the US Capitol.

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            OldOzzie

            Loss of USCP Officer Brian D. Sicknick
            January 7, 2021 USCP Press Release

            At approximately 9:30 p.m. this evening (January 7, 2021), United States Capitol Police Officer Brian D. Sicknick passed away due to injuries sustained while on-duty.

            Officer Sicknick was responding to the riots on Wednesday, January 6, 2021, at the U.S. Capitol and was injured while physically engaging with protesters. He returned to his division office and collapsed. He was taken to a local hospital where he succumbed to his injuries. The death of Officer Sicknick will be investigated by the Metropolitan Police Department’s Homicide Branch, the USCP, and our federal partners.

            Officer Sicknick joined the USCP in July 2008, and most recently served in the Department’s First Responder’s Unit.

            The entire USCP Department expresses its deepest sympathies to Officer Sicknick’s family and friends on their loss, and mourns the loss of a friend and colleague.

            We ask that Officer Sicknick’s family, and other USCP officers’ and their families’ privacy

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        MP

        in moderation.
        Its a clip of the actual shooter, this shooting is very sus. The hoodied dude not trying to apply first aid.
        These backpack wearers are usually the fascists. They don’t try and remove her backpack, scarf?
        Airway, breathing, circulation, recovery position, if real the danger would be blood going into the lungs. All police are trained in gunshot wound first aid. First and only thing they did was move her, which should be the last thing unless there is a danger to her or the first aid givers, no one gave first aid yet there were a dozen trained in that exact scenario.
        Like that serial fainting nurse 4 so called medical professionals just sat and stared, she should of gone straight into the recovery position.
        We are being played

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          James Murphy

          the “civilians” in these things generally seem to have no clue what they are doing when it comes to first aid. there are a few documented instances where AntiFa “medics” start trying to apply tourniquets to people, first, for wounds which absolutely do not need such drastic, last resort action, and secondly, in a location on the victim where it would not be effective anyway. presumably they think if the pose as medics they will be immune from prosecution when they are caught looting or bashing someone with a skateboard.

          I’m absolutely no expert, but I regularly update skills with a 5-day first aid training course, and each time, come away with some new knowledge which, I hope, would allow me to be vaguely useful in traumatic, and stressful situations, but who knows, it’s not something I want to test, actually.

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            MP

            In my industry first aid is basically a requirement and I’ve had to use it more than a few times, including drowning on their own blood, a sound you do not forget. First time was a major car accident, yeah you freeze up, forget your training until someone starts screaming at you. They are cops, did virtually nothing but stood there and screamed, that is not the behaviour of trained professionals it does not make sense.
            I posted a longer version down further, but someone is shot a couple flinched, but the cops just stood there, everyone just stands there, I thought everyone would hit the floor, cops into defensive mode.

            Fishy

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              williamx

              I am a professional first responder. I have watched the videos. Imho, Ashli suffered a fatal shot. Not much could have been done. Rolling her would have kept her alive for a very, very short time. It would not make a difference to the tragic outcome. I hate it when someone is lost to us. I also deplore the actions of the mob that were trying to film a person that was losing their life. Does anyone have decency or a soul?

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              williamx

              I am also disturbed that normally when gunfire occurs people run and they run fast. No one did in the vid. They were more busy trying to film video than to be afraid of their lives… go figure

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                MP

                Not bleeding like an artery.
                What happened to CPR.

                And the cops stood there arguing to get people back instead of taking control.
                Someone shooting and no one moves, makes perfect sense.

                Same as George Floyd, not even the paramedics tried CPR.

                Naa

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                MP

                PS, Where is all the blood, colour of the blood, should be oxygen rich.
                Where is the wound, someone moves the scarf and no wound is visible. why did they not take the back pack, scarf off and get her flat at the first instance.
                Bleeding from the mouth means blood in the airway. Recovery position

                Its the first aiders that make the difference.

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                williamx

                MP what is your job and what qualifications re life support and forensic examination do you have, I’d be interested to know. I have spent 28 years as a paid professional saving lives. I have submitted reports to the coroner. What do you know that I have not learnt by experience, qualifications and study? If you can enlighten me let me know. Stay safe and stay well my friend.

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    PeterS

    If this explanation of the events is true then there will be a lot of arrests forthcoming once Trump is inaugurated as POTUS. I suspect though the guys in the video below are clutching at straws but let’s wait and see. We have less than two weeks to find out.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-R6q70LTidY

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      Peter C

      Thanks Peter,

      I posted the same video above, from another source before I came to your entry.

      POTUS meets advisors in Texas. Stand by.

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        PeterS

        OK. At the moment I’m taking their story with a grain of salt. If they are right then fantastic. If not then their credibility is shot to pieces. We’ll know soon enough.

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          Ian

          “At the moment I am taking their story with a grain of salt”

          That seems very wise for there are other stories that claim Antifa and left wing protesters were not involved.

          Links are https://tinyurl.com/y3c7wmk4 https://tinyurl.com/y4osrsxl https://tinyurl.com/y6zlxp6o

          Having read these articles you may decide a grain of salt is insufficient

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            Ian

            The Washington Times suggested the Capitol mob may have been the result of “neo-fascists and Marxists engaged in a highly co-ordinated ‘false flag’ operation, by infiltrating the protest and invading the parliament so the world’s media would falsely blame and discredit Trump supporters”.

            However the Washington Times has since corrected the story and apologised for claiming to have substantiated “speculation” from Donald Trump supporters that Antifa members may have been present.

            “The Washington Times erroneously reported late Wednesday that facial recognition technology backed up that speculation and identified two Antifa members,” it said.

            “In fact, XRVision has not identified any members of that far-left movement as being part of the attack.”

            Like all the other “evidence” reported here since November 3, the claims that Antifa members were involved in the invasion of the Capitol have been shown to be false, in this case by the organisation that first suggested the Antifa link.

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              sophocles

              Antifa’s crashing into the Capitol so ably aided and assisted by the DC Police gave six laptops including one from Pelosis’ office to the delight of supporters.

              XRVision didn’t identify any antifa members — they were identified by much better equipment than that: mark I eyeballs and fleshware facial recognition by security people who were in the crowd.

              And you can read all about it, including the Antifa pamphlet to its members:
              Specially for Ian:
              https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-01-06-staged-viking-who-stormed-capitol-building-blm.html

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                sophocles

                a bit more on Pelosis computer:

                https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/01/breaking-patriots-inside-nancy-pelosis-office-emails-open-screen/

                that must be the most photographed screen of the day. Bet you didn’t know computer screens were so photogenic?

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                sophocles

                The UN et al are behind it all. Trump is a Klimate Skeptic and has to go

                The Great Reset is much more important.

                https://www.simonparkes.org/post/robert-david-steel-simon-parkes-and-charlie-ward

                WARNING: strong language. People with dainty nerves (Ian et al) will find it alarming. (PS Ian: download the suggested book. It will shock you. )

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                sophocles

                Some more stuff for Ian.

                https://voxday.blogspot.com/
                Pay attention to:
                Give the Girl Her Props …

                Read it all.

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                Ian

                I recommend you re-read or perhaps read the articles I linked to in my 10.59am comment. As you will see all are debunking the Antifa scam being perpetrated by Trump’s acolytes. Just another attempt by Conservatives to present fake evidence as the real deal. Much as Trump claimed he won the election. As is apparent he didn’t and has tacitly admitted that. Same as the evidence of fraud in voting none of which was considered acceptable by the judiciary.

                I read the natural news but as it was claiming pictures showed an Antifa member in the Capitol when actually the photo was Screenshots have been shared on social media that falsely claim to show proof that a man who was photographed inside the Capitol building following a pro-Trump rally on Jan 6. is part of Antifa.

                This claim is based on the placing of an image of protesters inside the Capitol building alongside another image sourced to “phillyantifa.org”.

                The Philly Antifa website (phillyantifa.org) does have a page featuring an image of a bearded man who shares certain characteristics with the person seen in the Capitol building. However, this page does not describe the man as an Antifa supporter. Instead, it says the image shows an individual belonging to an entirely different group that Philly Antifa opposes.

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                Ian

                Apologies Sophocles but I just saw this article on yesterdays events at the Capitol. It doesn’t back up the Antifa stories being foisted on an unsuspecting public by those. Rather surprisingly it was published in the Times which is a News Corp paper

                https://tinyurl.com/y3hxqyky

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                Ian

                Apologies I’ve just read this piece in The Australian.

                https://tinyurl.com/y5bgdhcq

                Trump did not lose narrowly to Joe Biden. Some 81 million Americans voted for Biden, while 74 million voted for Trump. On percen­tages Biden won by 51.4 per cent to 46.9 per cent, a margin of 4.5 per cent. Trump did lose several states narrowly, which if he had won would have meant retaining the presidency. But what would have been a fluke like 2016 did not come about, not for reasons of fraud but for reasons of democracy.

                Is Trump truly responsible for the sickening attack on the US Senate and House of Representatives this week?

                Yes, he is, 100 per cent responsible. Trump has spent every day since November 3 fraudulently claiming American voters were robbed. On the day congress was attacked, with five people dead as a result, Trump told a Save America Rally in Washington: “We’re gonna walk down, and I’ll be there with you, to the Capitol and cheer on our Republican senators and congressmen … You’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength and you have to be strong” and “our election victory stolen by a bold and radical left Democrats … We will never give up … we will never concede … we will stop the steal” and later “we have to get our people to fight”.

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        Karabar

        For some reason I seem not permitted to respond.
        Then there is the escourt for the Antifa buses.

        [Sorry about the delay today, one East Coast Moderator is unavailable. 🙁 – Jo]

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      Karabar

      “Clutching at Straws” indeed.
      I must admit that I’m crestfallen due to the manner in which the 6th of January went down.
      It seemed that all of the evidence would be revealed to the congress and it would act accordingly.
      Instead, January 6 went down as solid proof that the Soros/Gates/Schwab/Clinton mob and the Trilateral Commission are in absolute control and can henceforth do absolutely anything they wish.
      I’m really tired of the apparently false hope that there is someone out there that can rope them in.
      The reality is that we’re on our own.

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        Binny Pegler

        The mistake everyone is making.
        Is convincing themselves if they can just get rid of Trump all this will go away.
        Trump just happened to be the only one who turned up for the job.
        Not an ideal choice by a long shot, but there was no one else at the time.
        The fact that he did a fairly good job was a surprise bonus.
        Getting rid of Trump, doesn’t get rid of the job.
        ‘The people’ are still desperate for someone to do ‘the job’ and will not hesitate to take on the next Applicant to walk through the door.

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          Deano

          I think you’re dead right. Nobody voted for Trump because he was so good looking and used to front a rock band. He was the first guy with the drive and balls to stare down the media and do what needed to be done while receiving very little support from so-called colleagues. And he kept almost all his promises which is almost unheard of these days.

          I still love the USA but the people who voted against him because the media told them “Orange Man bad!” deserve what Harris has lined up for them.

          2024 will be even more interesting eh!

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      Karabar

      I was damned skeptical aabout this vidoe and then came across a couple of things that tend to lean in that direction:
      The Capitol Police opening the barricades to let them in.
      And the guard on duty leading them to the correct floor for the offices of Pelosi and Shumer.
      Perhaps this was 4D chess after all!

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    markx

    Are you sure there were no violent trump supporters in that moronic mass?

    https://www.tmz.com/2021/01/06/woman-maced-pepper-spray-storm-us-capitol-revolution/

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    Travis T. Jones

    It all depends on what you’re rioting about …

    2015, by German Lopez:
    Riots are destructive, dangerous, and scary — but can lead to serious social reforms
    “To prevent more violent uprisings and protests, we need to take their causes seriously.”
    https://www.vox.com/2015/4/30/8518681/protests-riots-work

    2021, by German Lopez:
    Every person who forced their way into the Capitol should be arrested
    “This is not simply a matter of vengeance.
    It’s a real-world example of a common concept in criminological theory focusing on the best way to use punishment to deter future crimes.”
    https://www.vox.com/22217733/trump-rally-dc-protest-storm-the-capitol-coup

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    Penguinite

    I am staggered at the craven way the US system and global press has interpreted these awful events. Several people have been identified as Antifa but they all want to blame Trump. No condemnation of the Democrats for refusing to allow a forensic investigation of the machines and mail-in votes etc etc! US problems will not disappear unless the 70 plus million voters can be satisfied that their system is blameless!

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      Mike Jonas

      The airwaves are full of hype from both sides. More from one side than the other, depending on which side you are on. Surely the way to address the problem is to have a full unbiased audit of the presidential vote. Donald Trump called for that. If Joe Biden truly believes that he was elected fairly, then it is totally in his interest to demand one too – in one fell swoop he can disarm Donald Trump and his supporters and re-unify America. But does he believe that he was elected fairly? [I do accept that an unbiased audit would be difficult to organise, given the depth of the American divide. Shades of 1876.]

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        stevem

        Given the number of irregularities that have occurred, there needs to be a major change to the way the US manages elections. The rules need to be uniform across the country rather than by state or even county. The tallyists need to be independent – no more political hacks doing the counting. Observer status rules need to be clarified and respected. Any counting machines need to be independently certified and every line of code audited. The electoral roll needs to be scrapped and all voters need to re-enroll, only with correct, verifiable id.
        Without a complete overhaul trust in the electoral system will continue to erode. All the irregularities, deliberate or not, have favoured the swamp and Biden. There is no incentive for Biden to fix things – quite the reverse.

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          Deano

          An Aussie, I remember during the 2016 vote I went looking for the U.S. Federal Electoral Commission or whatever it would be called, similar to what we have (the AEC – Australian Electoral Commission). Imagine my surprise when I discovered they have no such thing!

          It doesn’t guarantee there won’t be fraud, but at least it’s a one-stop-shop when investigating what the hell happened.

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        Binny Pegler

        Like child abuse by a trusted family member.
        Everyone so desperate for it not to true, they’ll accept any lame excuse not to question further.

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        OldOzzie

        Turley: I Hate Federal Commissions, But Americans Need One To Look Into The 2020 Election

        I hate federal commissions. I have always hated federal commissions. Federal commissions are Washington’s way of managing scandals. They work like placebos for political fevers, convincing voters that answers and change are on the way.

        That is why it is so difficult for me to utter these words: We need a federal election commission. Not the one proposed by some Senate Republicans. And not like past placebo commissions. An honest-to-God, no-holds-barred federal commission to look into the 2020 presidential election.

        With the challenge to the certification of election votes, some Republican members of Congress are calling to delay the proceedings for 10 days and impanel a commission to “audit” the results. There is precedent for such a commission. Just not good precedent. Indeed, citing the Electoral Commission of 1877 as a model of good constitutional process is like citing the Titanic as a model of good maritime navigation. The commission was an utter disaster.

        The 1876 election commission

        In many ways, the Electoral Commission was a model for most federal commissions, which are designed for good politics and not good government.

        An example is the 9/11 Commission, which was stacked with reliable allies to guarantee that no one — and no party — would be blamed for the negligence leading to up to the attacks.

        The commission spent two years and millions of dollars. It went to almost a dozen countries, interviewed more than 1,000 people and archived over 2.5 million pages of documents. The result was a report that blamed no one specifically and since concluded that Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush were “not well served,” in the words of the commission’s chairman, by the FBI and CIA.

        You see, if everyone is responsible, no one is responsible. Despite showing that the attacks could have been prevented under existing laws and powers, the budgets and powers of both agencies were then massively increased.

        That is not what we need. There are three reasons why the need for a real commission is needed:

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      truth

      Penguinite..

      I could not agree more!

      If Democrats truly believed this has been a fair election without massive fraud….they would happily agree to a forensic audit of the 2020 vote….starting now and continuing until it’s 100% complete…with scrutineers or pollwatchers of both sides …not blow-ins, but people known to be long-time Democrat and Republican officials…stationed where they can actually see what’s going on …with the right to question in real time what’s going on…..and if a dispute can’t be resolved in real time, the right to have protests recorded and used as evidence in adjudication involving both sides ….with adjudicators obliged to provide evidence and explanations of their momentous decisions …on national TV .

      If a United States election and the people’s fears that they’ve been disenfranchised is not an important enough matter for Congress to not only agree to, but facilitate that orderly process…then in refusing…. members of Congress are themselves tacitly announcing that they do not honor this basic right of Americans …and have nothing but contempt for the American people whose votes they beg for at each election….it will be a true incitement …not by Trump but by Congress.

      All of the ballots are by law available right now…unless States officials have broken the law in having some of them shredded …in which case those officials are egregious lawbreakers and should have the book thrown at them…after public inquiries or legal proceedings to find out who backed their momentous decisions…who helped them to cover up ….etc etc …it must all be revealed.

      Democrats themselves and the pious poseurs of Congress themselves should be calling for this audit and a lockdown of all ballots and machines right now… if they expect anyone in the world to believe they have nothing to hide and are truly interested in preserving law and order and confidence of Americans in their most basic Constitutional rights.

      Democrats and Congress …if sincere… should also be asking SCOTUS to agree to hear all evidence in any cases brought to them regarding Constitutional breaches that undermined this election…if there’s a mechanism for Congress to do so…

      Separation of powers would preclude any directing….but surely they could ask…..because on the face of it…without wilful breaches of the Federal Constitution by State officials….and the SCOTUS dereliction in refusing to deal with them….most of the alleged fraud could not have happened.

      If Democrats, Congress and SCOTUS are not willing to do this….then that refusal is in itself an announcement that they don’t actually care to secure the vote…to ensure the American people are confident that they live in a democracy…they incite insurrection more surely than Trump ever could.

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      Russia Unironically Chastises US As “Not Up To Modern Democratic Standards”

      Russia has joined the ranks of foreign governments expressing official “concern” for the stability of the US political system after Wednesday’s Capitol chaos.

      Russia’s Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova told reporters Thursday that the whole episode and surreal images coming out of DC lays bare fault lines in American democracy, according to Russian media.

      Akin to Chinese state media, now busy having a field day over calling out Washington’s hypocrisy and ‘double standards’, Zakharova mocked the “archaic” American electoral system and underscored the fragility of the United States.

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      OldOzzie

      OPINION: WASHINGTON SECRETS

      ABC demands ‘cleansing’ Trump movement from America

      Beware, 75 million Trump voters.

      The media is calling for your ideological “cleansing” of Trump thought.

      In a column and tweet, ABC’s well-respected political director Rick Klein made the call after yesterday’s pro-Trump riots inside the halls of Congress.

      It is a sentiment throughout much of the political media and among Democrats who are also pointing an accusing finger at aides to President Trump who are resigning before their jobs end on Joe Biden’s Inauguration Day in 13 days.

      Trump will be an ex-president in 13 days. The fact is that getting rid of Trump is the easy part. Cleansing the movement he commands is going to be something else.
      https://t.co/KnEloRm123 via @ABC

      — Rick Klein (@rickklein) January 7, 2021

      “Cleansing the movement he commands, or getting rid of what he represents to so many Americans, is going to be something else,” he added, drawing comments that it sounded too much like Hitler

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    Penguinite

    Hi Jo, I don’t seem to be able to use the rating system anymore? Has something changed?

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    Rupert Ashford

    They think they can shame the conservative, Trump supporters into going home, take their medicine and shut up indefinitely. And if they become disengaged and stop voting so much the better. I feel for the people who built the US to what it is today, because it is that group that is being “canceled” – they have an uphill battle to achieve any changes and will have to be extremely smart. They are trying to kill the conservative voice in one fell blow and leave the liberals as their last hope/voice. If the conservatives capitulate and let this happen then what we today know as the US and their role in global politics is finished. There’s so much at stake here…

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      John R Smith

      My friend has 3 kids.
      The 18 year old is woke.
      The two younger ones see the scam.
      I think it’s Gen Z.
      I think it’s possible that the Left and Globalist are making a hard totalitarian push because they know they’re losing.
      Lot’s of younger folk at the rally best I can tell.

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      Lawrie

      I know it is moot but just think on this; if you have to cheat in order to win in a democracy then you have already lost. In a fair election the socialists would have been routed. I think it is safe to say that no election in the past decade truly represented the wishes of the people. A large swathe of folk now know that an election can be rigged and should be wondering if some of their elected officials got there by popular demand or a few bucks to the machine operators. Will they now pursue another road? The state legislatures I believe go back in session on Tuesday US time. Will they continue to demand forensic audits? They should and their constituents should now demand it. A finding of the election being stolen may not prevent China Joe being the prez but it should make his term illegitimate in the eyes of many people both here and elsewhere. Do the state legislatures have the courage to do the right thing? Have the Democrats had time to destroy all the evidence? I don’t believe they have because there is too much and there are too many skilled people looking. Do not give up hope that the truth will come out.

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      truth

      The purge of conservatives is worldwide …this is a massive step-jump towards completion…and its only made possible because almost all of the media…even FOX …and SKY in Australia….have been captured by the Left and are censoring information… then calling the propaganda that they allow through their subjective LW filter…’news’.

      What has happened to Trump leaves not just American conservatives in despair but conservatives everywhere.

      FOX has changed a lot in recent weeks and that perception that the last bastion of truth in information is lost to them….causes further despair amongst conservatives and along with the social media censorship, is a far greater incitement to desperate measures by a few…than anything Trump does or could do….IMO.

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        Dennis

        PM of Canada Stephen Harper and Tony Abbott of Australia two examples, as warned was happening by Christopher Monckton.

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    OldOzzie

    From Catallaxy Files

    How did PDT achieve so much surrounded as he was by so many enemies?

    Posted on 9:09 pm, January 7, 2021 by Steve Kates

    Of course, the supreme good was he prevented Hilary from being president for the past four years. And he revealed how vile the Deep State is, although much good knowing it now will do us. And he ought to have shown us that the media are completely untrustworthy, but instead taught us how stupid most people are about the source of their freedoms and prosperity given how willing they were to be led down garden paths. But he still has friends, aside from me, who will remember Donald Trump as the greatest, bravest President of our lifetime. You are guaranteed never to see his like again no matter how young you are or how long you live. You have witnessed the fall of the American Republic and its replacement with a fascist state. Here is a sample among those who have stayed the course.

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      OldOzzie

      Ace of Spades – The Morning Report – 1/7/21

      My rage this morning is directed in particular at the GOP. Given everything we have seen and endured, these bastards – with the exception of the handful of patriotic members of the Senate and House who exercised their legitimate Constitutional authority and right to challenge the Electoral College votes – including Vice President Mike Pence stabbed us in the heart. Correction, they along with the state legislatures in question as well as the majority on the Supreme Court stabbed us in the heart weeks if not months ago. Pence et al were just twisting the knife. Meh, it happened the moment President Trump said “so help me G-d” four years ago when the GOP controlled both houses of Congress and sabotaged him at every turn for two years, until Paul Ryno delivered the House to Malig-Nancy Pelosi.

      Year after year, election after election, we begged and pleaded with that party to stop what is now inevitable and imminent from happening. I blame them for what happened yesterday. For what happened nine weeks ago. For what has happened to this country for the past 60 years by not opposing the overthrow of America as founded and going along to get along, either out of denial, greed or some combination of both.

      Now there is talk of impeaching Trump, with just under two weeks left, which if successful would ban him for running for president again in 2024, as if any election ever again in this country, such as it is, is ever not going to be rigged by the Enemy. And this vile lout Corey Bush is introducing legislation to have those who moved to challenge the Electoral College expelled from office. Looking beyond that, do you think that anyone who donated to Trump or to a Republican is not going to have that information leaked to potential employers, or banks or perhaps to the mostly peaceful protesters of Antifa and BLM who will know where you live?

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        OriginalSteve

        If the 25th Amendment is his biggest worry, he’s doing well.

        Don’t put it past the globalists to try and get him executed to make an example of him.

        That said, I think if they were dumb enough to do that, it would kick off his support base and turn 70+ million people against the globalists in one go who would rout them. It would however force the globalists hand into letting PLA troops into the country via Canada and Mexico and the Americans would fight like banshees to protect the USA. I suspect though that the globalists might nuke a US city of two to take the fight out of the locals, but I suspect it will just fire them up even more…..

        There is a reason the US wealthy have underground bunkers in both the US mid west, South America and New Zealand.

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          Should read :

          ” turn 70+ million people against the globalists in one go who would rout them ( i.e. rout the globalists )”

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    Jo, you will be very pleased to know those ANTIFA thugs who led the riots are going to identified and charged.
    I’d guess a few peaceful Trump supporters may accidently get swept up too, but they will just be collateral damage.

    Capitol rioters could face up to 10 years in prison under Trump monument executive order
    Federal law enforcement officials are investigating and will bring charges against rioters
    By Evie Fordham | Fox News
    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/capitol-rioters-prison-trump-executive-order-federal?fbclid=IwAR14-dtAd7dvzA3xMtmuWFufscoOEDYWIo6Hv8VYsBEbhRap7cWX1Uo46Ks

    Acting Attorney General Jeffrey Rosen vowed that pro-Trump rioters who entered the U.S. Capitol would “face the full consequences of their actions under the law,” and those consequences could include being charged under President Trump’s executive order authorizing up to 10 years in prison for “injury of federal property.”

    “Our criminal prosecutors have been working throughout the night with special agents and investigators from the U.S. Capitol Police, FBI, ATF, Metropolitan Police Department and the public to gather the evidence, identify perpetrators and charge federal crimes where warranted,” Rosen said in a statement on Thursday.

    “Some participants in yesterday’s violence will be charged today, and we will continue to methodically assess evidence, charge crimes and make arrests in the coming days and weeks to ensure that those responsible are held accountable under the law,” Rosen continued.

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      Not happy unless the same punishments and laws are used against people who burn down police stations and Wendy’s etc.

      One law for all…

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        Yep.
        One law for all.

        People were quick to point out the hypocrisy of law enforcement letting the mob, which was overwhelmingly White, take over the Capitol building with little hindrance.

        “Always interesting to see how white protestors can encounter so little resistance and breach the capitol with the vice-president there, while black protestors would be lying dead in front of the capitol building right now,” wrote the writer Roxane Gay.

        “White privilege is on display like never before in the US Capitol,” tweeted the author and scholar Ibram X Kendi.

        Others pointed to the stark contrast between law enforcement’s response to the mob at the Capitol versus their treatment of protesters against police brutality.

        “Peaceful protestors got pepper sprayed so Trump could hold a Bible up for a photo in front of a church,” tweeted Shannon Sharpe, a former American football player, referring to an incident that took place over the summer in the midst of protests following the police killing of George Floyd.

        “Thinking about all the protestors who got their eyes shot out by rubber bullets this summer for doing things like ‘walking’,” said the journalist Libby Watson. Dozens of people who were peacefully protesting for racial justice, along with some journalists who were covering the events, have sustained serious injuries from rubber bullets and teargas that were used by police to disperse crowds.

        “Appears the ‘looting/shooting’ rule does not apply to everyone,” wrote the Atlantic writer Adam Serwer in reply to a picture of an insurgent walking away with a podium, referring to Trump’s tweet in May telling racial justice protesters that “when the looting starts, the shooting starts”.

        The New Yorker writer Jelani Cobb said the aggressiveness of the police in Ferguson, Missouri, following the police killing of Michael Brown compared with officers’ response to the mob at the Capitol was “effing astounding”.

        Previous crackdowns by Capitol police against peaceful protesters were also shared on Twitter.

        Photos and videos were shared of protesters from Adapt, an advocacy group for people who are disabled, being picked up and dragged by Capitol police during a protest for healthcare in 2017.
        Another photo showed a dozen police arresting the actor Jane Fonda for protesting against climate change.

        https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/06/us-capitol-trump-mob-police-protesters

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    M Seward

    So Antifa people knew Trump was going to call for his rally crowd to march on the Capitol, eh? If they did then they seem to be a damn sight more switched on than Trump or his band of losers. And all the people climbing the walls and smashing windows etc were all Antifa, were they? Every one of them?

    [SNIP agitprop. – Jo]

    I do think the Yanks need the equivalent of a Royal Commission into their voting and counting systems, starting with gerrymandered electorates and voter suppression and finishing with the reckless use of machines to do a job that teams of people can quite readily do, as in this country. Trump’s apparent success in convincing about half of GOP voters that the election was ‘rigged’ is really a measure of just how little faith there is in the systems used and endemic corruption in their polarised political system. A bit like their obsession that everyone having guns is the key to social freedom. Yee Haaw!

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    Kevin a

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=720O_yBLrTs
    This may be the most important speech I’ve ever made….

    4 MILLION VIEWS and still not on TRENDING. YouTube is a joke.

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    OldOzzie

    After Allowing Antifa Domestic Terrorists to Burn the Country Down, FBI Director Wray Vows to Charge Those Who Participated in “Siege of the Capitol”

    FBI Director Christopher Wray crawled out of his hole on Thursday to condemn Wednesday’s chaos at the Capitol.

    Wray remained silent all summer as Antifa and BLM terrorists burned down the country.

    DC was literally on fire and Wray covered for Antifa and BLM.

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      PeterS

      It has been obvious Democratic and a lot of Republican politicians and judges hate Trump so much they will do anything to get rid of him. Now they hate all his supporters and desire to make them pay for their allegiance. I bet the Trump supporters are saying to themselves, “Go ahead, make my day!” That will very clearly start a civil war. Perhaps that’s what the left want so they can force Biden to use the Insurrection Act. So, it might come to this; who will use the Insurrection Act first? Trump or Biden? Timing of course is key.

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      Custer Van Cleef

      Wray also moved quickly when the “noose” was discovered in a mechanic’s garage – it turned out to be a simple rope handle for raising the door.

      But the purported victim was a black man, and the perpetrator just had to be a white-supremacist, so Wray’s version of the Kraken had to be unleashed – 15 FBI agents sent to investigate. Wonder how many man-hours wasted on that?

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    OldOzzie

    Intelligence analysts downplayed Chinese election influence to avoid supporting Trump policies, inspector finds

    by Jerry Dunleavy, Justice Department Reporter

    Politicization problems exist in U.S. spy agency assessments on foreign influence in the 2020 U.S. election, including analysts who appeared to hold back information on Chinese meddling efforts because they disagreed with the Trump administration’s policies, according to an intelligence community inspector.

    Barry Zulauf, an analytic ombudsman and longtime intelligence official, issued a 14-page report obtained by the Washington Examiner to the Senate Intelligence Committee on Thursday, revealing his investigation was “conducted in response to IC complaints regarding the election threat issue.” In addition, he lamented the “polarized atmosphere has threatened to undermine the foundations of our Republic, penetrating even into the Intelligence Community.”

    The intelligence community’s classified assessment on foreign influence in the 2020 election, which will not focus on claims of mail-in fraud or unfounded allegations of voting machines flipping millions of votes, was also submitted to Congress on Thursday. Expected in December, the assessment was delayed as senior intelligence officials clashed over the role played by China, and as director of national intelligence, John Ratcliffe sought to include more viewpoints in the final analysis.

    “Given analytic differences in the way Russia and China analysts examined their targets, China analysts appeared hesitant to assess Chinese actions as undue influence or interference. The analysts appeared reluctant to have their analysis on China brought forward because they tend to disagree with the administration’s policies, saying in effect, I don’t want our intelligence used to support those policies,” Zulauf concluded, saying this behavior violated analytic standards requiring independence from political considerations.

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      OldOzzie

      Transparent Timing, Intelligence Community Assessment on Foreign Interference in 2020 Election Submitted to Congress Hours After Electoral Certification

      Posted on January 7, 2021 by Sundance

      Good grief… Could the purposeful timing of those intent on preserving corrupt intelligence and U.S. government institutions be any more transparent?

      As CTH noted weeks ago, the DNI report on foreign involvement in 2020 election interference could structurally have established the framework for election challenges on the basis of the guarantee clause of the constitution. However, in order for that to be effective it would be needed prior to the congressional certification of the electors.

      Today, literally hours after congress votes to certify the election results, that very same DNI report is now delivered to congress.

      Buried inside an article noting that politically motivated intelligence officers intentionally withheld information about China’s active involvement in the 2020 election, we find this sentence:

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      OldOzzie

      Remarkable Duplicity – Former AG Bill Barr Attacks President Trump For Questioning Same Ballot Fraud Barr Previously Outlined

      Posted on January 7, 2021 by Sundance

      The duplicity of former AG Bill Barr’s position is stunning. It should be remembered that Bill Barr previously stated that President Trump was targeted by the weaponization of the intelligence apparatus, including the DOJ and FBI, as “spying on the administration.”

      Additionally, in September the same AG Barr noted that mail-in ballots was “absolutely opening the floodgates to election fraud.”

      However, as soon a President Trump remarks on the same two key issues; and now that he is out of office; the former AG states: “The President’s conduct yesterday was a betrayal of his office and supporters.”

      After visiting with several former members of federal law enforcement this past summer CTH was warned never to trust the words of any voices inside Main Justice and the FBI.

      Specifically CTH was warned never to engage with those two institutions in Washington DC because there was widespread belief the institutions themselves were no longer repairable.

      Later, during one specific lengthy conversation with a person close to the issues at hand, who was also a staunch defender of AG Bill Barr, the topic of the political manipulation of the DOJ and FBI became the focus of discussion.

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      Lawrie

      We guessed when Ratcliffe missed the 18 December target date that the report would come when it would be of no use to Trump. I never believed the machinery of the US could be so corrupt or so partisan. Does the security of the US depend on what some suits on the top floor of the int community think of the President? Trump pulls China into line the suits give China free pass. Wow. The world is screwed.

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    Jonesy

    The outcome of all this will be a vacuum of mainstream media sources trusted enough to be impartial. Fox had it but now they will suffer like our own Skynews Oz. Daytime choc full of socialist leaning opinionators. Will Trump invest in a media network of his own. Will he invest in a number of social media platforms. Nature abhors vacuum. Conservatives will crave for impartial media. The catchcry should be…REPORT THE NEWS, DON’T MAKE IT! I MAKE UP MY OWN MIND!

    The US, as well as all of us, need such a service desperately. Thes last four years alone, the swamp, BLM, the fascist ANTIFA, socialist press, all of it a product of a depleted fourth estate.

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      PeterS

      Well, we can try to go back to fighting the climate change battles again once they start the Great Reset. Although PM Morrison has stated he won’t have a bar of it, I don’t trust him since he spoke with forked tongue regarding the emission reductions issue. I suspect we will find him falling in line with the Great Reset along with the rest of the West, especially if Biden ends up being POTUS on Jan 20. Then the war enters a new phase and we will have no Trump to support us truth seekers. We have less than two weeks to go to find out if we are on our own. If we are then all is really lost but the fight has to continue regardless because truth matters.

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        Dennis

        It is important to consider;

        * Paris Conference ended December 2015
        * Turnbull replaced Abbott September 2015
        * Paris Agreement was signed in New York April 2016
        * In November 2016 the Minister was sent back to ratify (not required by UN) the Paris Agreement when POTUS Trump announced that the US would not sign it.
        * Therefore, when Morrison replaced Turnbull in late 2018 Paris Agreement was signed and ratified. Measures to reduce emissions implemented.
        * Australia met all targets set at the Kyoto Conference and following Agreement signed, that Rudd Labor ratified years later, 2009/10 from memory.
        * Australia is on track to achieve Paris targets after being one of the few UN member nations that achieved all of the Kyoto targets.

        So, as former PM Abbott commented during 2019, there is no need to abandon the Paris Agreement, achieve the not difficult to achieve targets and then reconsider the future, the next series of emissions reduction UN IPCC demand. Isn’t that why the leftists are pushing hard already for a commitment to zero net emissions by 2050 commitment, and the Morrison Government is ignoring that demand and reminding the opposition that Australia already had emissions reduction commitments in place?

        People forget that the LINO left of the Liberal Party (and equivalent Nationals) are very influential, the Turnbull Party and followers.

        I believe that the small majority of real centre-right conservative MPs in Canberra are determined not to allow “great reset” globalism to gain hold here in Australia, MPs like now assistant Minister for Defence former SASF Captain Andrew Hastie and former General now Senator Jim Molan, and many other like minded politicians.

        The battle in Australia spans State governments, and as we learnt from COVID-19, the States have sovereignty and Federal has limited powers in many areas of governance.

        And, consider the “relentless negativity” smearing Opposition Leader, then Prime Minister Tony Abbott endured from 2009 to 2015 and since. The left are intent of character assassination when any political enemy stands in their way.

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      Custer Van Cleef

      The Fox News evening hosts seemed to be hamstrung in recent weeks as well – avoiding mention of the Election Fraud. Any guest who started down that track was interrupted.

      My take is they or upper management saw the smoke-signals coming from the Murdoch Camp, and adjusted their views accordingly.

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    John R Smith

    Perhaps normal Americans, and regular folk around the world have been tolerant, observant, open, serious, busy working, minding their own business, going along to get along way too long.
    Normal will now have to be fought for.
    Play by the rules with an adversary that changes the rules at whim?

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      PeterS

      We already know that. Most people don’t give a damn about politics. That’s the problem. They go about their every day business but eventually they will wake up one day and find out what the following saying really means; “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing”.

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      Lawrie

      You are correct John. Most conservatives are busy starting and running businesses, big and small, and frankly have little time to worry about what is happening. Leftists OTOH usually live off taxpayers (those busy working) and have lots of time to pursue their agendas. Public servants “work” 208 days a year and an average 7.5 hours per day. Much of that 7.5 hours and computer access is devoted to their agenda. Anyway the average self employed person spends 60 hours plus per week and does it 52 weeks of the year. Unlike the PS they have no sick leave, maternity leave, condolence leave, dead cat leave, holiday loading, super payment, living away from home allowance, meal allowance, I’m stressed leave, I could not give a …. day off and so on. I am surprised that PS even show up for work when in many cases it just means moving a document from one desk to another. The PS where most of our problems start and finish are basically work for the dole types with a grudge against the more successful workers who achieve something every day.

      I have never met a leftist who did not exist on someone else’ money. Parasites.

      Now since the real workers in this nation and in the US are busy surviving it is left to us old retired dudes to do the work to keep the left under control. We can all write to our reps and senators and either encourage them to do what is needed or castigate them when they do not. WE can work to either endorse or disendorse at election time. It is a war and we are losing but when the opposition have to cheat to win we know that the mob are on our side. Keep your chin up.

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    Stephen R

    I have been following this site and buying chocolate for a few years now and find it excellent. I don’t normally comment but what is happening in America at the moment makes me so angry I feel sick, I have to talk to somebody. If I talk at work in the hospital they look at me as though I am from another planet and I suppose if they get the usual news they probably do think that and it also causes so much friction.
    I know that the MMS is very biased but this shows just how powerful they really are. To convince the world that there was no election fraud, that the riots in DC were by Trump supporters and that the BLM/antifa riots were “mostly peaceful” is almost beyond belief. Because of this massive control of the mainstream news system I honestly don’t see a way out.
    It is just such an obvious power grab by corrupt elites I don’t comprehend why people can’t see it. I realise that it has probably been building to this for years through the education system and indoctrination but will we ever get through it.
    Even with CAGW there is a hope that people will wake up due to the temp dropping and the electrical system failing but there seems no way out of this.
    the Great reset is surely on the way, goodbye freedom of any sort.

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      You are not the only one.
      The biggest surprise in this was how complete the news blackout was. Even The Australian…

      But what we still have (at the moment) is access to the Internet. We have so much more than what people in Eastern Europe did or what people in China do. We must build those communication lines. I hope Twitter and facebook toss Trump off, and 70 milion people move with him to better outlets. But there is no time to waste…

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    Peter Fitzroy

    So everyone in the video had broken the law, despite claiming to upholding those laws.

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      PeterS

      Which law are you referring to? The law covering the left, which says they can be equally as violent and get away with it, or the law that applies to the rest of the people?

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        Peter Fitzroy

        What a load – Those rioters broke the law, to say that it is OK, because allegedly someone else did, is totally against the way the law should be applied. you are advocating anarchy YDF

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          PeterS

          Answer the question instead of pretending all are treated equally under the law (never have been).

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            Ted O'Brien.

            It’s impossible to treat both sides the same.

            Rioters, believing themselves to be good Communists, keep no capital, no savings They cannot be punished by fines and they cannot be required to pay costs or compensation, because they have no means to pay. Trying to punish them costs the community.

            Trump’s supporters in contrast are people who do make and keep capital savings instead of bludging off the community. They can be punished by fines, and they can be required to pay costs and reparation. And they are.

            But if the day comes when the savers have nothing left to lose, the rioters had better stay out of sight.

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          Those who broke glass should be prosecuted. Those who murdered people should be too. Those who faked ballot papers, ousted observers, did deals with dominion to protect their own election, or … ran justice departments or intelligence operations who failed in their jobs.

          What other laws were broken? Nobody set fire to anything. Nor did they punch and beat up other people.

          I want a full new election. Paper ballots and all observers. Let the chips fall where the the People Choose.

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    Maptram

    New Zealand leader Jacinda Ardern said democracy is not undone by a mob.
    “Democracy – the right of people to exercise a vote, have their voice heard and then have that decision upheld peacefully should never be undone by a mob. Our thoughts are with everyone who is as devastated as we are by the events of today. I have no doubt democracy will prevail,” she tweeted.

    Based on her definition of democracy, what allegedly happened to many votes in the US election is not democracy.

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    OldOzzie

    FNC’s Carlson Warns Capitol Hill Riots Will Be Used to Strip Americans of Their Rights — Basic Rights ‘in Peril’

    Millions of Americans sincerely believe the last election was fake. You can dismiss them as crazy, you can call them conspiracy theorists, you can kick them off Twitter, but that won’t change their minds. Rather than trying to change their minds to convince them and reassure them the system is real, that the democracy works as you would do if you cared about the country or the people who live here, our new leaders will try to silence them.

    What happened today will be used by the people taking power to justify stripping you of the rights were born with as an American. Your right to speak without being censored, your right to assemble, to not be spied upon, to make a living, to defend your family, most critically. These are the most basic and ancient freedoms that we have. They are why we live here in the first place. They’re why we are proud to be Americans. They are what make us different, and they are all now in peril. When thousands of your countrymen storm the Capitol building, you don’t have to like it. We don’t.

    You can be horrified by the violence, and as we said and we will say it again, we are horrified. It’s wrong. But if you don’t bother to pause and learn a single thing from it, from your citizens storming your Capitol building, then you’re a fool. You lack wisdom and you lack self-awareness. You have no place running a country. We got to this sad, chaotic day for a reason. It is not your fault. It is their fault.

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    Dennis

    I recommend Daily telegraph today, Miranda Devine from her present position in the US, an article she had published in the New York Post: Right pays for wrong.

    “Yesterday’s outrageous attack on the US Capitol will be used to tar every Republican as an extremist – bh the same left that looked the other way all through the 2020s riots.”

    “It has bestowed the greatest gift of the moral high ground on the most undeserving people in the world: Joe Biden and the left.”

    In my opinion she is correct, the political theatre yesterday is a well planned globalist left tactic.

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    William Astley

    One-party control would have given the Dems the power to cram, non-reason-based ideologies, like the Climate Emergency down our throats 24/7 and to spend the US to death. The Dem party is doing what the Chinese directs it and the other countries to do. Spend the US to death. Look the other way as China takes over our countries and the world.

    Voting and the democratic system does not work, if both parties have been taken over by special interest groups and the Chinese. Fake news and controlled news, accelerated the process. The US Milt see this a critical time in history for the US and the Western democratic countries.

    Wars do not solve problems. Fighting does not solve problems. Arguing does not solve problems.

    The US Milt have a non-violent, AI developed, plan which is now funded and proceeding. Biden is not going to be president. Pelosi and Biden are going to leave the US for asylum in China.

    From the US Milt’s standpoint, the US is now at war with the sneaky, dangerous, slightly mad, CCP/evil group in China that designed and released covid. The US Milt will never use the word ‘war’. The US Milt plan is non-violent, non partisan, logical, and very, very effective.

    The US Milt will present unequivocal public evidence (in less than 7 days) that the Chinese have attacked the US and the world, with two version of a designer bioweapon. The second version of covid is called the UK version. The UK covid release, has 14 ‘mutations’ 7 of which are on the virus’ spike and the new version is 40% to 70% more infectious and it defeats the two 95% effective Western vaccines.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/health-55507012

    The new variant of Covid-19 is “hugely” more transmissible than the virus’s previous version, a study has found.

    It concludes the new variant increases the Reproduction or R number by between 0.4 and 0.7.

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      OriginalSteve

      I think if the Left are legally removed from power it would indeed be a very good thing.

      In terms of being more infectious, that bit doesn’t bother me at all, I think our medical system could cope if we had to offload people into their own homes and have “flying squads” of doctors to handle this.

      That said, I think the powers that be like to jump at shadows ( the Lefties of course appear to love destroying businesses by locking people down ) – and yes, the virus is infectious, but if it follows the same death rates as the original strain, its less than 2% death rate and most of that is in the 70+ years groups.

      I think the powers that be are playing “run from the boogeyman” ….. it appears to be just an excuse to mess people about.

      Maybe the smart thing is to just let it go through the community. That way it has no future hold over us. That would tick off the lefties though, as their favourite toy of power would be removed from them.

      In Victoriastan, we never saw any autopsy results etc because it appears its in their interests to never let us look behind the curtain lest we see its all bogus…….

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    OldOzzie

    ‘This is ridiculous’: Byron York outlines how ‘Big Tech is in full suppression mode’

    Mark Zuckerberg has banned President Trump from using Facebook or Instagram at least for the remainder of his term, and Trump previously had his Twitter account locked for a 12-hour period.

    But as The Washington Examiner’s Byron York has noted, Trump isn’t the only one affected:

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    OldOzzie

    Pelosi, Schumer And The Swamp Are Worried Trump Will Release The Truth

    The Swamp Creatures Are Nervous

    Democrat and Republican politicians who have their hands deep in the swamp cookie jar are nervous President Trump will release information, or even take action against the fraudulent election conspiracy in the waning days of his first term.

    There is now a concerted push to remove the president from office, with only 13 days left in The White House.

    The push to remove him via the 25th Amendment makes no sense, unless you are worried about the truth coming out regarding your crimes against the nation becoming public.

    Pelosi and Schumer are definitely very worried. You can tell by the hyper nature of their shrill calls to remove the president from office.

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      Forrest Gardener

      If President Trump really has the ability and desire to blow the whole swamp to hell, my first hope he has the equivalent of a dead man switch or that things which cannot be sabotaged are already in motion.

      My other perspective on these shrill calls to remove him from office is that if he has any ability and desire to blow the whole swamp to hell, starting impeachment at this stage would give him good reason to act before the impeachment articles got anywhere near a vote.

      As always I remain convinced that none of us see anything more than a tiny fraction of the whole picture.

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    markx

    Hi Jo, this is worth a giggle:

    the FBI has begun to solicit the public’s help in identifying some of Wednesday’s bad criminals.
    Let’s begin with one of the dramatic ironies in all of this: Anti-maskers don’t wear masks.

    https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/1/7/2006768/-The-FBI-asks-for-help-identifying-Trump-s-terrorists-Internet-and-local-news-doesn-t-disappoint?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=Sendible&utm_campaign=RSS&fbclid=IwAR35mtsdpcN_VxEya6UL5opGyo4ubGm_Qry-_Su7Jb7yTJ3Obzyc5GbYTNo

    But on the bright side, at least those ANTIFA plotters will be caught! 🙂

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      Ted O'Brien.

      There should be enough identified to confirm if the stories we are reading are right.

      We were told that the lady who died was shot by police through a glass door. Then there was the video. She was in a dense crowd of mostly dark uniformed people, I thought at the head of a staircase, at a double door with big glass panels which was closed. She was no more than 2 metres from the door. I Couldn’t identify broken glass, and there were no people on the other side of the door.. I saw at least one industrial camera there. I thought I saw blood coming from her mouth, but in all that crowd nobody turned her over to allow blood to drain from airways, the first thing that should have been done. The video that I saw was sufficient to identify a lot of people who were in the vicinity at the time. No doubt there would be more and better videos.

      We were also told that she was an Air Force veteran and a Trump supporter.

      We have also been told that the Trump rally was not at the Capitol when the assault started, because Trump had run half an hour late with his address at another location. I also read that in his address he told his supporters to go home.

      The lady who was shot may have had skills which saw her designated to be part of an advance party of organisers. Just guessing.

      One thing I am sure of. It will not be easy to sweep this under any carpets. There will be plenty of photos and videos.

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        Mark D.

        Yes Ted you are guessing.

        She was murdered while climbing through a window opening where the glass had just been removed. She was shot by a coward of a guard from a position of hiding that she probably did not see. The coward could have simply pushed her back instead of shooting point blank to the neck. He could have shot near to her in order for her to know she was entering a space where lethal force was authorized (I doubt it was.) Since he shot her in the neck he must have believed she was wearing armor. If she was, he could have made a non-lethal shot to the torso and that would have knocked her back without killing. He could have shot her in the shoulder instead of the lethal murderous choice he made. This was almost point blank range and shot placement would have been easy.

        But there should have never been a choice to use lethal force. I don’t believe she was armed. I don’t see any reason for the guard to be in imminent danger. There was no warning to her that she could hear. If she could have seen him I believe she would have retreated.

        This was a 35 year old person that had served our country. A patriot who’s likely purpose was to make known her frustrations. In her back-pack I will speculate you would probably find an American flag, a Trump flag and maybe a banner with a message to Congress. No grenades, no Molotov cocktails, no pipe bombs, no guns.

        This was a murder that I sadly witnessed by video. A loss of life because the guard chose to take it.

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    Analitik

    I thought the Antifa infiltrators thing was desperation on the part of some Trump supporters – I’ve basically given up hope given the combined power of the MSM, Deep State, Democrats, RINOs and their Antifa/BLM foot soldiers to corrupt all legal processes that could have corrected the election fraud.

    But this article by Micheal Snyder and particularly the video showing “Trump supporters” being escorted by security up stairways in the Capitol Building has me agreeing with the idea of false flag protestors

    http://themostimportantnews.com/questions-about-the-chaos-at-the-capitol-that-desperately-need-to-be-answered/

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    David Maddison

    The USA took over two centuries to build as the greatest country that ever existed. One of the values that made American Civilisation so great was the idea of free speech. Civilisation is very hard to build.

    But civilisation is very easy to destroy. As the DemocRATS prepare to install their fake President from their successful coup, they are rapidly descending into dictatorship. It will only take months to destroy this once great country with Barris at the helm.

    It’s amazing how the Left can’t tolerate alternate opinions. President Trump has already been silenced on FB, Twitter and YouTube.

    And now Michael Obama comes out with this.

    The thing about Leftists is that they can’t handle alternative opinions.

    https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/1004694

    “Michelle Obama Calls Social Media to Permanently Ban Trump, Condemns His Voters”

    Read Newsmax: Michelle Obama Calls Social Media to Permanently Ban Trump, Condemns His Voters

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      sophocles

      What a noble and compassionate individual Mickey Obummer has turned out to be.
      Got to kick out and trample when she thinks he’s down.

      Only 11 more days to go …

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    Analitik

    Why are my comments posting but not showing?

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    David Maddison

    In his last day President Trump needs to go on a frenzy of declassifying everything implicating or proving the Swamp Creatures to be guilty of their numerous crimes

    Of course, this is what the Left are terrified of and why they are trying to remove him from office, even in his last few days.

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    dinn, rob

    you’ll see WHY Secrets of Federal Reserve by Mullins, 1952–a few
    excerpts https://balance10.blogspot.com/2021/01/secrets-of-federal-reserve-by-mullins.html

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    David Maddison

    President Trump is now permanently banned on Facebook and Instagram, not just temporarily as before. No doubt the other socialist media will soon follow.

    Because Leftists love free speech and hearing alternative opinions…NOT!

    These are the National Socialists and International Socialists plus their slave army of brainwashed useful idiots who have done all this before. But most people wouldn’t know that because they stopped teaching real history long ago.

    https://thefederalist.com/2021/01/07/facebook-and-instagram-just-permabanned-the-us-president/

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      sophocles

      I think you’ll find he’s found all the alternatives.
      (I haven’t looked so I don’t know).

      I don’t follow that quarrel of sparrows (much) nor Sukkaberg.(never)

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    OldOzzie

    Kamala Harris Called Riots ‘a Movement’ Last Summer, Said ‘They Should Not’ Stop

    Violence is never the answer to resolving conflict, but it’s hard not to see the hypocrisy of the left when they act surprised or condemn what happened at the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday.

    In June 2020, in the aftermath of the nationwide rioting following the death of George Floyd at the hands of a Minneapolis police officer, Kamala Harris even gleefully predicted that the rioting wouldn’t end, telling Stephen Colbert, host of “The Late Show,” that they shouldn’t end.

    “They’re not going to stop. They’re not going to stop,” she told him. “This is a movement, I’m telling you. They’re not gonna stop. And everyone beware because they’re not gonna stop. They’re not gonna stop before Election Day and they’re not going to stop after Election Day. And everyone should take note of that. They’re not gonna let up and they should not.”

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      OldOzzie

      FLASHBACK: Liberals Started Rioting Right After Trump’s Election, Even During His Inauguration

      I have had enough of the left pretending to have some moral high ground when it comes to political violence. After the storming of the Capitol on Wednesday, there are several Democrats calling for Trump to be “removed from office” despite having nothing to do with what happened.

      Nothing at all.

      The Democratic Party has zero moral high ground on this issue. They’ve done nothing to quell the violence and unrest on their side, which started right after Trump won the presidency.

      The media won’t bring this up, but in the aftermath of Trump’s election in November 2016, the left began protesting—and those protests typically ended in violence.

      “For the third night in a row, anti-Donald Trump demonstrators took to the streets in several big cities and on college campuses across the United States, including an outburst of smashed windows and a dumpster fire in Portland that police countered with pepper spray and flash-bang devices,” reported USA Today just days after Trump’s upset victory over Hillary Clinton.

      Roughly 4,000 protesters gathered in downtown Portland the Thursday following the election, chanting “We reject the president-elect!” before heading over to Portland’s Pearl District, “where the windows of several businesses were smashed.” A local news station said, “The protest was mostly peaceful until demonstrators met with an anarchist group, after which demonstrators vandalized buildings, kicked cars and knocked out power.”

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      OldOzzie

      AOC in 2019: Marginalized People Have ‘No Choice but to Riot’, Refused to Condemn Antifa Violence

      In an interview with New York’s Hot 97 in the summer of 2019 (a year before the George Floyd riots, I must point out) Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez argued that “marginalized” communities have “no choice but to riot” in the face of injustice.

      “I believe injustice is a threat to the safety of all people. Because once you have a group that is marginalized and marginalized and marginalized…once someone doesn’t have access to clean water, they have no choice but to riot,” she said, before explaining that she meant marginalized people worldwide, including the United States.

      “And it doesn’t have to be that way. I’m not even talking about Palestinians. I’m talking about communities in poverty in the United States; I’m talking about Latin America; I’m talking about all over the world,” she said.

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      OldOzzie

      Joe Biden Reminds Everyone He’s a Political Coward in Disgusting Speech

      Just in case you were waiting with baited breath for Joe Biden to weigh in further on yesterday’s rioting at the Capitol, you can stop waiting. He took the podium today to deliver yet another awful series of bumbling remarks, committing the some of the same sins he is simultaneously accusing Donald Trump of.

      Prep yourselves for four years of this or however long he lasts until Kamala Harris takes over.

      Actually, I can tell this mush-brained political hack that. Over the summer, we saw businesses burned and police precincts burned to the ground, federal buildings set on fire, rampant physical violence, including a multitude of murders, and much more stemming from Black Lives Matter protests. You know what police never did? Indiscriminately just start killing rioters. In fact, the police showed far more aggressiveness yesterday in the Capitol, shooting and killing a woman while arresting 52 people. By comparison, the worst day of the Minneapolis riots led to only 41 arrests. Tear gas was used yesterday. Flash bangs were used. The idea that any law enforcement figure at the Capitol yesterday went “easy” on the rioters is absolute nonsense. To couch such a lie in race-baiting the way Biden is doing here is unconscionable.

      If you are going to claim that Trump complaining about an election being stolen is somehow “inciting” violence, then don’t you think Biden telling black people that cops purposely treat them differently is doing the same? We don’t even have to think about it. We know such rhetoric incites violence. We saw it all summer. Yet, Biden thinks he’s holding the moral high ground here.

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    OldOzzie

    Nancy Pelosi Leads Charge For Trump Impeachment, Can’t Have The Worry About That Pesky Rebellion Resurfacing

    Posted on January 7, 2021 by Sundance

    We have the reality of around 100 million real MAGA army members staring toward a leftist opposition front containing battalions of cardboard cutouts (mail-in ballots). No amount of media marginalization is ever going to change the reality of that political landscape. That’s why they are trying so hard. Cue Nancy Pelosi:

    2016 – There is only one political enterprise occupying our nations capitol. Many people call that enterprise “the UniParty“. Succinct in both description and accuracy, the UniParty members live very well within a fortified and defended castle we call DC.

    A discussion amid castle management is taking place which is unnerving to those who have known no other lifestyle. And, well, at least according to the chatter by those closest to the leadership, no-one wants to be in charge any more.

    This is all very odd, and very curious.

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    OldOzzie

    A Message From President Donald J Trump

    Posted on January 7, 2021 by Sundance

    Moments ago President Donald J Trump released the following national message:

    …”To the citizens of our country, serving as your president has been the honor of my lifetime. And to all of my wonderful supporters, I know you are disappointed but I also want you know that our incredible journey is only just beginning”…

    From the Comments

    railer January 7, 2021 8:51 pm

    Best president of my lifetime, by far. It is a measure of the sickness of our political system that an obviously stolen election was winked at, because the system simply cannot tolerate the best, under any circumstances. The system is sick.

    But, he said all the right things here. It was a perfect statement.

    I just don’t know whether Trump would want to run again. He’s a patriot, so you won’t hear him say “never”. Remember way back at the beginning? How he said he was already successful, but now it’s “payback time”. This guy has actually served his country, and felt called to do so. I was nauseous listening to McConnell talk yesterday about the “36 years of service he’s given”. The last thing that guy does is serve this country. Trump serves. I can’t believe I wound up supporting a NY real estate hustler I never paid attention to, but it was proven to be the right move. Best president of my lifetime.

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    OldOzzie

    Some rather cowardly White House resignations

    They’re about to be out of a job due to election fraud but are resigning at the last hour over chaos at the Capitol on ‘principle.’

    The press was having a field day bashing President Trump in noting the resignations and withdrawals from his White House of some rather cowardly officials.

    Someone like Matthews is kind of a low level person to be releasing “a statement,” public relations being her stock in trade. Obviously, she’s looking for another job, and the statement is a bid to prove to the swamp that she’s still hireable and one of them. What a thing to do in the wake of a transition when she ought to be helping the others out instead of thumping out like an elephant and leaving the others to do her work.

    Principled? Don’t think so. She was leaving the post anyway. The resignation ‘statement’ is just a lot of grandstanding.

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    OldOzzie

    To the GOP: Trump You!

    I have two words for the Republican Party establishment: Not Happy Birthday. It’s along the lines of “Trump You,” using a few different letters earlier in the alphabet.

    Most Trump supporters, like myself, have been optimistic that just like in the movies, good will win out over evil, middle earth will live in peace with men, elves, and dwarves coexisting for the common good, rather than being enslaved like orcs. I believed a divinely inspired nation would not fall to the dark side. But alas real life isn’t mirroring the big screen, at least not today.

    I’m frustrated for many reasons including Georgia’s senate seats predictably going to the Democrats, both new senators corrupt and incompetent, although the Republican options were not much better. The Georgia election was stolen in the same manner as the presidential election two months ago.

    Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me, as the saying goes. The Republican Party poo-pooed electoral fraud and made no effort to investigate or at least make a stink about it, with the exception of only a handful of GOP members of Congress.

    The Republican Party, through their inaction, has made themselves permanently irrelevant. No Republican will ever get near the White House. Democrats will keep enough Republicans around as pets, useful idiots, below any threshold needed to stop a constitutional amendment or any other legislation.

    If elections can be stolen this easily, twice in two months, Republicans are destined for a long walk in the wilderness. Electoral fraud will be institutionalized, the type of cheating Jimmy Carter and UN observers would be screaming about if it happened in any backwater third-world country.

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    Captain Katzenjammer

    The whole collection of events this year culminating yesterday show how much the ratbags are in real fear of Trump and of the support base who recognise what Trump was attempting. They know they have no chance of winning in a fair contest.

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      Like in an election for instance…

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        David Maddison

        Gee Aye, why do your Leftist colleagues silence President Trump such as the permanent bans on FB and Instagram and temporary bans on other socialist media?

        Don’t you think that if your Leftist values were so wonderful that people would yearn for them and censorship would be unnecessary?

        Why can’t Leftists tolerate alternative opinions?

        Leftists are allowed to post on Jo’s blog but conservatives always get banned on Leftist sites. Why is that?

        Why are Leftists afraid of any type of inquiry into the US election? If it was an honest election there would be nothing to fear would there?

        Note that Trump was being censored even before the invasion of The Capitol so that is not the reason.

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        Analitik

        Like in an election for instance…

        Exactly. That’s why they had to resort to mass fraud as the major fraud that was originally enacted was insufficient.

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    Billy Bob Hall

    It’s a disgrace. The Democrats have succeeded in smuggling in an illegitimate president.
    I feel very sorry for the very good people of those United States.
    This fiasco should never be allowed to happen again.

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      Serp

      You jest. I understood that unless Trump can reverse this travesty the US might as well do away with presidential elections altogether.

      William Astley told us upthread that the milt (whatever that is) will move within seventy-two hours and begin shipping all the top level miscreants to Gitmo. And Pelosi and Biden joining Maurice Strong in the PRC where they’ll seek asylum. Probably just another tease eh –oh well, at least it keeps hope alive.

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    RoHa

    These are the colour revolution tactics the US deep state used in other countries. Not surprising the same mob use the same tactics to stage a coup in the US.

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    Henning Nielsen

    Hello dear Aussie friends, greetings from Norway. I guess you may have seen this already, sorry if it was previously posted here, but this seems to be a Kraken gamechanger, interview with Maria Zack of Nations in Action, claiming they have the evidence of vote switching done in Italy on Nov 4th, at the Leonardy SpA factory in Pescara, sent via the now infamous server in Frankfurt. CIA and MI6 said to be involved. Interview link and link to affidavit:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIcG9Es-pZ0&feature=youtu.be

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RQMxmbW8ujZmfTUl2D1jXWS996ZgmoHo/view

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      WokeBuster

      Interesting but even if it was true, there is no way the US Unity Party (establishment Democrats + establishment Republicans) will do anything other than inaugurate Beijing Biden. Also if there is any truth to this: Professor D’Ursino is a dead man many times over.

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      David Maddison

      He hasn’t conceded as such but has accepted that in the context of a massively fraudulent election he won’t be appointed President for an election he rightfully won.

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      Analitik

      It’s not a concession. Trump has accepted to abide by a result that he does not agree with which is very different to conceding.

      But you need to have some semblance of a frontal cortex to go beyond the headlines.

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        Peter Fitzroy

        Donald Trump finally conceded that “a new administration will be inaugurated on January 20” and promised a “smooth, orderly and seamless” transfer of power. WSJ YDF

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          David Maddison

          It was a fraudulent election and he hasn’t retracted that fact.

          He is just acknowledging that he has no choice but to accept that the Leftist thugs have staged a successful coup d’état.

          He is still the rightful President and did win the election if the ballot numbers are corrected for fraud.

          What part don’t you understand?

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          Analitik

          That’s just the wording by the WSJ staffers. Read beyond the headlines.

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      Simon

      He’s backtracking without accepting responsibility.
      Jo and others attempting to blame the rioting on Antifa is yet another example of deflecting responsibility. All those identified in criminal acts so far have been hard core Trump supporters and conspiracy theorists.

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        Peter Fitzroy

        OF course, Simon – but you’ll never get anyone on this site (beside Gee Aye, and myself) to admit that. However, like good rats more and more staff and pollies are leaving the ship.
        The most cynical comment is that now trump can no longer serve the interests for the Republican backers, he is to be discarded.

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        Serp

        Occasionally I submit to wanton impulse and give an upthumb to Simon or Neo or Gee Aye (but never Peter Fitzroy whose robustness is formidable) to provide encouragement to our weaker brethren lest they are overcome by despondency and fade away and deprive the blog of its attractive variegation. Not this time, “hard core Trump supporters and conspiracy theorists” is formulaic junkspeak which can only raise a sense of contempt for its utterer.

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        John R Smith

        I would prefer you used the term …
        Conspiracy Theroixt.
        My feelings are hurt.

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      sophocles

      Wrong as usual PFitz.
      He hasn’t conceded at all.
      He is trying to calm things down
      but there is no concession in there.

      It’s not yet Jan 20th …

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    MP

    Here is a longer video of the shooting.
    Security were blocking the entrance and it was fairly calm, then they walk away?

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/fpyew0FN1Rfp/

    [Warning this video is graphic and disturbing.] ED

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    David Maddison

    Dinesh D’Souza makes a brief comment on how the Socialist Media are silencing Trump and at least half of America who he represents.

    Leftist cannot tolerate alternative opinions.

    https://youtu.be/eGyGm-mndSs

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    Dennis

    I have posted links several times over the years since about 2015, with due consideration for globalism and leftist manipulation to gain control, adding the World Economic Forum “great reset – build back better – new green deal” scheduled for their conference during May 2021, please consider this;

    “6th April, 2018 – In an interview with The Australian, John Howard says that the merger of the MUA with the CFMEU – which has taken place on Turnbull’s watch – represented the “ultra-concentration of union power”:

    “…just like we don’t like an ultra-concentration of commercial power, why should we feel comfortable about an ultra-­concentration of union power, particularly given the track record of the two unions…I would argue the merger of those unions does represent the ultra-concentration of union power. I think the public-interest test ought to be applied; it’s applied to corporate mergers.”

    As i’ve stated previously, Turnbull and his ideological allies actually want a greater concentration of both commercial power and union power at the same time, as well as a greater concentration of power in government. This will allow a very small group of ‘elites’ to more easily control all three, and work in synchronisation for their diabolical ideological ends.

    They want to destroy all significant decentralised power centres, especially medium-sized businesses.

    You’ll notice that it’s the big corporations who tend to support the left-wing social agenda, and the big unions collude with big corporations to rip-off the workers (eg: the AWU-Cleanevent deal and other deals for lower penalty rates) so there is no ideological contradiction between simultaneously wanting a high concentration of power in both big corporations and big unions.

    John Howard says Turnbull must re-introduce legislation to establish a public interest test for union mergers:

    “I am very disappointed that the public-interest-test legislation has not gone through the parliament and I would hope the government would re-present that…I took the view with these things it was better to keep putting something up and having it knocked over…When we had legislation on ­industrial relations, we always put up unfair dismissals and we put it up 30 or 40 times.”
    Turnbull abandoned the legislation (titled the ‘Ensuring Integrity Bill’) after a weak and feckless attempt at swaying the Senate cross-bench.”

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    OldOzzie

    Is It Time to Start a Third Party? – A Presentation by Dr Steve Turley and Support From CTH

    Posted on January 7, 2021 by Sundance

    The question around a third party has been debated on the pages of CTH for over a decade. After CTH researched each of the last four UniParty U.S. presidential elections we came to the conclusion in 2015 it was necessary to break the two-club system.

    It was the need for a third party; and CTH recognizing Donald Trump as the outside pragmatic independent voice who personified a third option; that initiated our 2015 support for what everyone was calling the “long-shot” outsider candidate at the time.

    With the American electorate now awake to political issues around the UniParty; and with evidence of 74 million+ Trump voters, and entrenched republican party unwillingness to be an independent second party option; the question about a third party is far more prevalent. In this video Dr Steve Turley uses the example of Brexit in 2019 to highlight how a third party in the U.S. could actually succeed. WATCH:

    We need to deal with the voting integrity issues on a state level, that is where we must engage and fight to fix issues with ballot fraud. That fix requires state legislation to address and control mail-in ballot use. They cannot use the COVID excuse forever.

    Then, and only then, I would take the third party discussion one step further….

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      Boris

      We need to deal with the voting integrity issues on a state level, that is where we must engage and fight to fix issues with ballot fraud. That fix requires state legislation to address and control mail-in ballot use.

      Shiva, is right. The main repair is going back to paper ballots that are hand counted and audited. No voting machines. One person one vote. Voting machines with a weighted race feature is the main issue. Of course uniform methods & procedures audits as part of the normal process.

      Prosecuting the secretaries of State who have endorsed the voting machines and deleted the ballot images.

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    OldOzzie

    The Consequences Of The Capitol Assault

    A little over a decade ago, I was tear-gassed for the first time. It was the first day of September in the Twin Cities, and the anti-globalist, anti-war protesters were milling about with giant papier-mache heads of the people they hated. Mark Hemingway was there. My future wife and mother of my child was inside. It was painful. Afterward, I left and set up my laptop at a nearby rooftop bar and had the best Guinness I’ve ever ordered in my life. The reports about the protesters were overwhelmingly sympathetic. These were justified because of the wars. The New York Times said so.

    A few years later, I covered Occupy Wall Street, and the tone was similar. These people taking over public parks, [email protected] all over the place, yelling at each other in circles, and setting up occasional r*pe tents were to be accepted, because Wall Street exists and is a thing. The sympathy for them was even greater than for the war people because of a lot of guilt about how media is funded. Zephyr Teachout wrote a thing.

    Around the same time, there was another form of protest, something very different, which emerged. It was called the Tea Party. It was, unlike the anti-war, anti-globalist, anti-Wall Street folks, a fundamentally dangerous and racist entity, bent on destruction and violence, that threatened the very foundations of representative government and only existed because people couldn’t accept a black president. They were basically the Klan. Alan Grayson said it.

    It was odd. In all my years of covering the Tea Party, I never saw them be rude to a cop, even by accident. They were upper-middle-class people who drove up in SUVs. They had no designs on destruction or occupation. Their taxes paid for that park, so they would clean up after themselves. They took pride in it — that they weren’t like the dirty, filthy leftists who left graffiti and literal shit on the ground.

    Of course, it was these people who were absolutely marauded by the media.

    What happened yesterday didn’t depress me the way it seemed to depress other people. Maybe that’s because I don’t view the institution of the Capitol as sacred the way others do. As a former staffer, I’ve known too many stories about the nooks and crannies where Ted Kennedy did stuff to get too verklempt about it.

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    RickWill

    Apparently been around for a month but getting a lot of attention now:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B7kCqrlwDtU

    It appears there was no Trump card. If there is then it will be a late play and more than sad that lives have been lost waiting for it.

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    Kevin a

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2mH9X4jQT8
    Public Data Shows 432,000 Trump Votes Removed in Pennsylvania Election: Data Scientists

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    Kevin a

    LONGER VIDEO OF ASHLI BABBITT’S MURDER
    New video emerges of the fatal shooting of Ashli Babbitt.
    https://www.bitchute.com/video/fpyew0FN1Rfp/

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    WendyB

    From a person who attended the rally.

    I am proud to have been one of the Patriots at the Capital yesterday. I was surrounded by teenage girls, and women in their 40s and 50s and 60s, and their husbands, and a whole bunch of others who no one in their right mind would ever accuse of being a violent mob. Especially since we were dressed as if we were in the tundra. It was so cold it was painful to be standing outside.
    We knew it was Antifa who was causing the problems. We watched them arrive in vans escorted by the police. We watched them get out. We watched some disappear into the crowd. We watched them attack cops. We watched them break windows.
    But guess what? Everyone around me thought the police were fake! Why? Because it all looked staged. Like watching Hulk Hogan wrestle in the 1980s. It was silly. The “police” and “violent agitators” seemed to know each other. We actually saw some of the “violent agitators” speaking to the police minutes after punching at them for several minutes and shooting at them with water guns and throwing sticks at them.
    We watched as the “violent agitators” disappeared into the vestibule on the west side of the building and then came back minutes later. Why weren’t they arrested?
    The “police” repeatedly shot an orange spray in their faces. It was supposed to be pepper spray but it was fake. I know because I got some in my face. It was just colored smoke. It was a show put on for the cameras. Anyone who thinks any of that was real is crazy. The media is lying to everyone.
    Most of us were singing Star Spangled Banner and God Bless America, etc.
    Don’t believe the “news”. There is no news.

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    Matty

    Well we can forget the US Supreme Court and that includes Amy Coney-Barratt and Co….
    What we do still have however is a swag of FBI people who know what happened and who know it will come out eventually. So when is a good time for it to come out? Some will be agitating to do it now. Some will not want a bar of that. Two years later will raise a lot of questions as Americans will really go beserk. How does America deal with the fact that the current administration was not legitimately elected down the track?
    I still hold out faint hope that something may yet drop out of a tree between now and inauguration.

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    Serp

    Jo, I tried the recent comments link again for the first time in a fortnight and it now shows no posts at all.

    Last time I looked it had decremented back to 2014, I can only surmise that the regression process terminated while I wasn’t looking.

    It is the feature of your site I found to be the most valuable and I would like to see it return.

    All the best.

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    Orson

    Larry Correa is a successful fantasy novelist based in Utah. Before that, he was a corporate auditor and could tell The Election Steal was REAL.

    AT THE LINK BELOW, Larry shares a long winded and forever necessary rant as a non Trump supporter who nonetheless sees The Deplorables class of his, like me, as heinously abused by every “respected” quarter of society, and the relentless media left dividing and conquering us with absolute distrust.

    After recounting the Trump years and last year, he ends by saying that vanilla normies — not Trumpkins, not prepared, not conspiracy nuts, but ordinary folk — are talking casually about violence and Revolution now.

    So, yeah, he concludes: “We are fucked” as a people, as a nation.
    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/424671/#respond

    There are several stand out comments. But this is the one to be acted upon by EVERYONE who reads his epic rant: “ Mad Max • 13 minutes ago Larry’s rant should be nailed to the door of Congress and every state house along with the Declaration of Independence.”

    Essential, epic, short and sharply observed. Best of all, it’s all True.

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    Orson

    Back to Larry’s rant and “Yeah, we are fucked.”

    People WILL NOT HEAR US. As much as I want to believe that idiot Pubbies and zealous Sillycon Commies will hear Larry’s plaint, I cannot believe that the maroons who need to hear and open their minds can or will.

    We know that THEY. Will. Not. Listen.

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    Orson

    FITTING AND FITFUL CONTEXT from Sarah Hoyt (an SF and fantasy author from Denver, Colorado, who does overnight news postings at http://www.pjmedia.instapundit.com). Perspective. So Striking, and True:

    …Trump thought maybe if congress saw how ad people were, they would play straight. I said before that’s all the protest was about, and that’s all it was. He told people to go home when it was obvious it had failed.

    And I hope to G-d someone with access to him reads this and tells him it’s time. Take the family NOW and go to an undisclosed location. As much as it hurts me to say this, because I want him to continue harassing the left, he has to realize this is no longer the sweet land of liberty.

    This is now a tyrannical third world shithole. Or will be within months from the way our occupiers are behaving. They will find a way to kill him and his whole family, or kill him and turn his family against him. Go Mr. President. G-d bless. You’ve done all that you could. If the so called right in this country will pearl clutch and blame even people who engage in a very mild protest, they deserve what’s to come.

    He now promises an orderly transition. I will tell all of you that DEAD is the most orderly of all states. And right now the Republic is effectively dead.

    There might be a hope for CPR, but I’m not sure there’s the will to apply it. Pence has joined the rats fleeing to the lefty rotten ship. because he hopes that will save his life. Spoiler, it won’t. The left will kill all the right who turns their coat. Because they can’t trust them. Good. They deserve it. I shall eat popcorn.

    Do we ever get the republic back? I don’t know. I think the most likely thing is that we fall apart into separate states while around us the world falls into chaos, famine and misery. We’ve been feeding the world for a century. The world had better look to itself now.

    https://accordingtohoyt.com/2021/01/07/attention-please/

    Forgive me my long perspective. But with all the evils done by Obama that went even unmentioned — Benghazi, spying reporters, an IRS that stopped the opposition from organism denying us our First Amenment Rights, a presidency who was overturned by the Supreme Court at record high setting lves…. THERESCTOO MUCH TO RECOUNT, here.

    I called my country then Obama’s Banana Republic.

    Our Evil Ruling Class is indeed doing worse, now. Maybe ‘Third World Shithole’ , as Sarah calls us, is exactly right.

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      Jin Yu Wan

      Banana Republic is moe and more adequate. Media has been now confirmed ‘The Enemy of The People’ !

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    Orson

    Larry Correia’s text now available:

    This was a comment I made in someone else’s post yesterday, but then it started getting shared:

    I don’t even like Trump, but I’ve spent the last four years getting screamed at by angry people for defending him, when I’m actually usually just defending basic reality.

    Oh, we are so fucked. Today is nothing. It’s probably going to get worse, because we’re on a road that I can’t see any off ramps.
    Sorry, here comes a rant.

    People are confused and constantly bombarded by conflicting information, some correct, some bullshit, and nobody knows what to believe because nobody trusts the people we are supposed to be able to trust. Then we have a super powerful global media complex that straight up gas lights everyone, and we’re shocked the people have lost trust in information sources.

    Then when people have valid concerns, they get mocked, belittled, and insulted. They get gas lighted and told what they’ve seen with their own eyes didn’t happen, and then they’re “fact checked” with things that are basically a list of excuses generated by partisans who have zero clue what they’re talking about.

    Repeat that daily, for literally every topic, and you get to a point where nobody trusts anybody and we have massive competing groups that can’t even agree on basic pieces of relative truth anymore. And social media then rubs that in everyone’s face, so we don’t feel any commonality with our countrymen.

    But that’s basically because we are several different countries crammed into one. As a people we’ve got two primary philosophies with a bunch of offshoots of those two, except they are mutually exclusive and cannot exist at the same time. So instead we get a muddled mixture of nonsensical bullshit that isn’t really either, but is primarily a vehicle that exists to benefit the same people who benefit from our totally untrustworthy information sources.

    Then let’s have a global pandemic, make everybody poorer, put them out of work, make everything they would normally do to blow off steam illegal, and once again if they express any concerns about this situation and the conflicting information presented to them, they get insulted, belittled, disparaged, and disrespected.

    Then let’s have riots and looting and arson and murder for months on end, where the rule of law appears to be a one way street.

    Oh, and let’s have a bunch of scandals with our political betters that tell everybody we have a two tiered justice system, where we’re peasants, but our moral betters can do pretty much anything and get away with it.

    All while our information sources obviously lie and conflict with each other and run interference for their powerful friends, but giant soulless mega corporations will straight up destroy regular mundane people if they feel like it.

    And then at the very end of this shitty year, let’s have a election that is insanely anomalous in a bunch of ways, but let’s not actually investigate it in any meaningful manner, and instead let’s just insult anybody who is concerned about it.

    Because nothing bad could possibly happen from tens of millions of people believing that their votes will never matter again and the system is irreparably rigged against them in a country with billions of guns and nuclear weapons.

    Whew… And that’s just this year, after the last two decades of escalating tensions in a country filled with people who hate each other’s fundamental beliefs.

    Which brings us to now… Which is why when buildings start exploding and politicians get beheaded, I won’t be in the least bit surprised.

    And I’m usually the optimist. I’m seeing people I would consider boring vanilla normies, not gun culture people, not Trumpkins, not preppers, not even that political, now talking about violence and revolution like those are perfectly normal topics. Twenty years ago that was reserved for us internet gun nuts and taboo crazy talk for everyone else.

    Yeah… we are basically fucked.
    https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/424671/

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    Orson

    I’m reading through the comments on Larry Correia’s original post on Facebook. This is excellent.

    However, to succeed would require that people learn real actual history. And embrace the wisdom of its strange and diversity of dissent.

    “The past is a foreign country” was a guiding precept for history professors 30 years ago. Now, teachers ignore context and require polemics asa catechism.

    Divide the American masses to conquer them, is the Marxist Left’s guiding mantra now.

    Anyway, Mike K, below, is wise. His policy recommendations are sound. Too bad the US cannot go there now, or soon.

    Mike Kupari There’s a path back from the brink but I don’t think we’ll take it.

    After the Civil War, great accommodations were made to the losing side, which continues to irk people to this day: statues of Robert E. Lee, bases named for Confederate generals, etc. It was done because it was understood that putting the screws to the former rebel states would breed generations of resentment, uprisings, and conflict. America chose to be magnanimous in victory and made attempts, however flawed, to reunite.

    Obviously there were problems with it: the shadow of slavery and all the evils that followed it, Reconstruction, Jim Crow, the rise of the KKK.

    Nonetheless, it was the best choice the country had in 1865.

    One of the problems of the modern era isn’t a lack of compromise- no matter what the issue, there are scores of politicians willing to “compromise” on your behalf. That isn’t the issue. The issue is that the electorate is divided into two approximate halves, and there are many who think the slimmest possible technical majority in Congress (say, a 50/50 senate with the Vice President casting tie-breaking votes) gives them a “mandate”.

    There are no national political mandates in modern America. It’s a divided country. We need to accept this. There is a lot on which people will not agree and little that on which they will.

    The way back from the brink is to not try and push through controversial legislation when your party barely controls a chamber of Congress. It means restoring the filibuster in the Senate and leaving it there. The way back is to not try and punish your political opponents after you defeat them, or to hurt their constituents and voters.

    Also? It would be best if there was an agreement for the federal government to not touch certain hot-button, divisive issues, like gun control and abortion. These are issues which cannot be addressed without enflaming the electorate. Leave it to the states. If we can leave the measures for combating COVID-19 to the states, we can certainly leave other issues to them. It means politicians need to cool their own rhetoric.

    It means that Americans should have a meaningful way to petition their government for redress of grievances, which we emphatically do not have.

    It also requires election transparency, security, and reform. It doesn’t matter whether or not you believe there are any problems with the voting system: tens of millions of people do, and as long as they think the system is rigged, they will never invest in it.

    The rules have to be enforced fairly across the board. There can’t be multiple sets of rules for different groups. We either have equal protection under the law or we don’t have a country.

    The first thing that needs to happen is that people need to let go of their fantasies of political revenge.

    We can have peace or we can have vengeance for injustices real and imagined. We can let the fire die out or we can pour gasoline on it.

    I think this could work, but I also think we won’t try this path. There’s too much anger, too much hate, too much lust for power. There’s too much desire to “remake America”. There’s too much joy in hurting the other side.

    I think things may get worse, maybe a lot worse, before they get better.

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    WendyB

    Copied from a friends post. Probably the spot-on analysis of the decade.
    I heard Lindsey Graham talking about security yesterday. He was talking about how they dodged a bullet because of lax security. He talked about the National Guard lining the steps of the Capitol when BLM was protesting last summer. He talked about how lax the security was when both houses were in session with the VP in the building.
    Let me point something out to you. I don’t know if you have ever been to the Capitol, but I have. On a regular day, if you know what to look for, you will see ALL of the security that exists. Metal detectors. Police in full tactical gear. Dogs working. Uniformed Secret Service and Capitol Police officers, and even Metro DC officers. You will see plain clothed Secret Service agents, as well as others, and you will even see Military personnel there.
    Let me point out something obvious to you. On probably THE most important day over the last 100 years, where THE most important vote in recent history was going to take place, with everyone in the world aware of a planned protest of over one million, that’s 1 with 2 commas, 1,000,000, there would have been no one off duty, on vacation, on a personal leave day, or short of being totally incapacitated, not at work, in full tactical gear, with all of the SWAT vehicles (and there are so many of those in DC, that you can’t count them all) surrounding the Capitol.
    And yet, people were able to storm that building to the point that some innocent person was shot and killed for no reason. Oh, and in the midst of storming the building, they stayed between the velvet cords which only allow 2 or 3 abreast. You couldn’t storm a City Council meeting in Monett like that, where there is at most, one officer present.
    And yet, the majority of you are willing to believe that the seat of government of the most powerful empire in the history of the world was able to be shut down like that. Those of you that choose to believe that fairy tale are even dumber than the old description “imbecile”. I’m not trying to be hateful here, but for God’s sake, as my parents and grandparents used to say, use your head for something besides a hat rack. Or as the drill instructors used to say, pull your melon out of your buttocks (of course, they weren’t that nice or classy about it).
    If you think that was anything other than a staged event, I have a bridge or two I’d like to sell you. Helen Keller or Stevie Wonder could both see that. There were over 1.5 million people there, that’s 1,500,000 people there, and yet only less than 200 entered the Capitol, which caused a highly trained officer to shoot an unarmed female who was merely walking through the Capitol building with a flag wrapped around her. And by the way, where are all of you Monday Morning Quarterbacks who demand to immediately see body cam footage of every police shooting in the last ten years?
    You people have become so compliant, so ignorant, so worried about Dancing with the Stars or football or whatever show is on the tell-a-vision, that you can no longer think for yourselves. There were more police officers at the Springfield Airport the last time the President came to town than there were at the Capitol yesterday. And I heard a couple of Capitol Police Officers being interviewed who couldn’t believe they were being sent home at 10 AM yesterday. Really??? On a day with 1,500,000 visitors in town, in addition to all the thugs and sex offenders that live in that God-forsaken town???
    So apparently some of the most qualified, experienced, law enforcement leaders in the world missed the call??? I don’t think so. This was a staged event, brought to you by career politicians, in order to gain your sympathy, because of the Mean Orange Man. Lindsey Graham is full of doggy poop. Of the 536 politicians there, only a handful lived up to their oaths. The way I see it, the rest of them forfeited their offices yesterday. But you will choose to let them do what they did, and to continue serving. Don’t be bitching about what’s coming down the pike.
    For you not to be demanding answers to simple questions just totally baffles me. Where are the men in this country? I know you’re out there, and I know some of you are vocal. We witnessed a coup d’état yesterday, and most of you are willing to allow it. Just like in Germany.

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    CHRIS

    Oh right…so it was Antifa that caused the Capitol Hill riots. Now, I just wonder…when BLM was running amok in 2020, were the ultra right-wing groups involved with that? Any evidence? Personally, I’m getting sick and tired of these conspiracy theories (from BOTH right and left) being shoved down people’s throats. It seems to me that MSM and social media are the root of all evil in this modern world. I just wish that people would start THINKING FOR THEMSELVES, instead of being led by the nose (but I wish in vain).

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