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		<title>Comment on Phase change: Australian politics turns liquid by Bernd Felsche</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernd Felsche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 17:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Chalice with the Palace or the Vessel with the Pestle?

&lt;em&gt;Neither&lt;/em&gt; has the brew that is true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Chalice with the Palace or the Vessel with the Pestle?</p>
<p><em>Neither</em> has the brew that is true.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Phase change: Australian politics turns liquid by Mike Fomerly of Oz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Fomerly of Oz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 17:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It’s not about philosophies but about egos. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

So I guess little has changed in Australian politics...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It’s not about philosophies but about egos. </p></blockquote>
<p>So I guess little has changed in Australian politics&#8230;</p>
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		<dc:creator>sunsettommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 16:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BobC,

He did not wear me down.

It is the fact that he made a couple of dumb replies to my obvious point (Post 124.2) on why skeptics should stop the infighting and fight the AGW supporters instead.

He is a single issue debater and will not adequately address any other point.He is doing that all over the skeptic blogs.Getting banned one by one for his boorish and know it all attitude.The thread bombings he does is the main cause for his bannings.

This is a fanatic not worth spending much time with as you will quickly find out.

I invited him to my forum because there is a &lt;a href=&quot;http://globalwarmingskeptics.info/forumdisplay.php?fid=109&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;section in that forum&lt;/a&gt; specifically for discussing the NO GHG effect argument.I thought he would be happy to confer with a few others who have a similar viewpoint that he expresses here.Including Nasif Nahle who is also a member of my forum.

Doug joined and made ONE post there 6 days ago that has a reply to it the same day.He has visited a couple times since but shows no interest to discuss it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BobC,</p>
<p>He did not wear me down.</p>
<p>It is the fact that he made a couple of dumb replies to my obvious point (Post 124.2) on why skeptics should stop the infighting and fight the AGW supporters instead.</p>
<p>He is a single issue debater and will not adequately address any other point.He is doing that all over the skeptic blogs.Getting banned one by one for his boorish and know it all attitude.The thread bombings he does is the main cause for his bannings.</p>
<p>This is a fanatic not worth spending much time with as you will quickly find out.</p>
<p>I invited him to my forum because there is a <a href="http://globalwarmingskeptics.info/forumdisplay.php?fid=109" rel="nofollow">section in that forum</a> specifically for discussing the NO GHG effect argument.I thought he would be happy to confer with a few others who have a similar viewpoint that he expresses here.Including Nasif Nahle who is also a member of my forum.</p>
<p>Doug joined and made ONE post there 6 days ago that has a reply to it the same day.He has visited a couple times since but shows no interest to discuss it.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Slabadang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 16:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CAGW = No ethics, Lies, propaganda supported by activists purpotrading as journalists and scientists. Its that simpel! That youve got this people in power is a pure tradgedy. You have to start a new satellite TV channel otherwise ABC will transfer the Australian people thru lies and demoralizing deception into thier dictatorship. ABC has yo be defunded in the interest of democracy.You have all the possabilities to start it up. Just Do IT!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CAGW = No ethics, Lies, propaganda supported by activists purpotrading as journalists and scientists. Its that simpel! That youve got this people in power is a pure tradgedy. You have to start a new satellite TV channel otherwise ABC will transfer the Australian people thru lies and demoralizing deception into thier dictatorship. ABC has yo be defunded in the interest of democracy.You have all the possabilities to start it up. Just Do IT!!!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is stealing OK? Alarmist climate scientists don&#8217;t know &#8211; &#8220;in tumult!&#8221; by Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 16:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding this:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Goldenberg didn’t do enough research to understand that she is acting as an unwitting tool of activists, quoting...&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Do they EVER? This entire mess is the result of a group of &quot;scientists&quot; who fail at research as they only &quot;research&quot; as far as proving their assumptions. Once they have been able to do that they then devote all of their energy not into further research but into making certain that no one looks at their research very closely.

No surprise that their media supporters are equally as deficient in their methods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding this:</p>
<blockquote><p>Goldenberg didn’t do enough research to understand that she is acting as an unwitting tool of activists, quoting&#8230;</p></blockquote>
<p>Do they EVER? This entire mess is the result of a group of &#8220;scientists&#8221; who fail at research as they only &#8220;research&#8221; as far as proving their assumptions. Once they have been able to do that they then devote all of their energy not into further research but into making certain that no one looks at their research very closely.</p>
<p>No surprise that their media supporters are equally as deficient in their methods.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Satire is a beautiful thing: The FakeGaters are asked to take down the fakes&#8230; and someone has a moment of fun. by doppelganger</title>
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		<dc:creator>doppelganger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 15:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it&#039;s Ironic that Charles &quot;Icarus&quot; Johnson achieved whatever fame he had by running with the rathergate memo ( info that he stole from Buckhead at Free Republic, BTW) and played a role in discrediting Dan Rather for using obvious fakes.

now &quot;Icarus&quot; has assumed the role of Dan Rather, only without all the fame and fortune. But he shares the common thread of being a washed up old Hack who is desperately trying to regain some sort of importance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s Ironic that Charles &#8220;Icarus&#8221; Johnson achieved whatever fame he had by running with the rathergate memo ( info that he stole from Buckhead at Free Republic, BTW) and played a role in discrediting Dan Rather for using obvious fakes.</p>
<p>now &#8220;Icarus&#8221; has assumed the role of Dan Rather, only without all the fame and fortune. But he shares the common thread of being a washed up old Hack who is desperately trying to regain some sort of importance.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Is stealing OK? Alarmist climate scientists don&#8217;t know &#8211; &#8220;in tumult!&#8221; by mick</title>
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		<dc:creator>mick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 15:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Pacific Institute came out after Gleick admitted to the serious crime of wire fraud to say Gleick &quot;has been and continues to be an integral part of our team.&quot; It would seem this kind of crime is rampant in the alarmist camp and they consider his &quot;skills&quot; will come in handy again. Gleick confessed to only half the crime, but it was the internet at large that outed him first, as the likely writer of the other half of the crime, the faked memo. 

This man should [snip, face a court, with due process. OK? - Jo ]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Pacific Institute came out after Gleick admitted to the serious crime of wire fraud to say Gleick &#8220;has been and continues to be an integral part of our team.&#8221; It would seem this kind of crime is rampant in the alarmist camp and they consider his &#8220;skills&#8221; will come in handy again. Gleick confessed to only half the crime, but it was the internet at large that outed him first, as the likely writer of the other half of the crime, the faked memo. </p>
<p>This man should [snip, face a court, with due process. OK? - Jo ]</p>
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		<dc:creator>Waffle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 15:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Does “investigative reporter” Goldenberg use these kinds of “tricks” too?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&quot;Climate scientist&quot; Gleick uses these kinds of &quot;statistical methods&quot; all the time, no doubt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Does “investigative reporter” Goldenberg use these kinds of “tricks” too?</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;Climate scientist&#8221; Gleick uses these kinds of &#8220;statistical methods&#8221; all the time, no doubt.</p>
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		<description>Spooner did the same trick last year and this time he follows sleight of hand that the UK Daily Mail did late January. While the stats aren&#039;t significant there is all the same a warming trend i.e. temperatures are increasing year on year. This is what the UK Met Office had to say ‘what is absolutely clear is that we have continued to see a trend of warming, with the decade 2000-2009 being clearly the warmest in the instrumental record going back to 1850.&#039;

Apart from that the statistically confidence significant level is conventionally 95% for the data to be beyond all doubt of randomness. The actual level of significance for the published data came in at 93% - are you seriously quibbling about 2%?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spooner did the same trick last year and this time he follows sleight of hand that the UK Daily Mail did late January. While the stats aren&#8217;t significant there is all the same a warming trend i.e. temperatures are increasing year on year. This is what the UK Met Office had to say ‘what is absolutely clear is that we have continued to see a trend of warming, with the decade 2000-2009 being clearly the warmest in the instrumental record going back to 1850.&#8217;</p>
<p>Apart from that the statistically confidence significant level is conventionally 95% for the data to be beyond all doubt of randomness. The actual level of significance for the published data came in at 93% &#8211; are you seriously quibbling about 2%?</p>
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		<dc:creator>Waffle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 14:57:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^ This.

Essential reading for anyone interseted in the subjects of ethics and critical thinking. Another classic example by our good friend Steven on how personal dogma can destroy your professional reputation. It would be unfair to label the article as doublespeak. I think it more appropriate to coin the term triplespeak.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Philosophers talk about the “dirty hands” problem: &lt;strong&gt;are lies OK in the pursuit of truth?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Priceless!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^ This.</p>
<p>Essential reading for anyone interseted in the subjects of ethics and critical thinking. Another classic example by our good friend Steven on how personal dogma can destroy your professional reputation. It would be unfair to label the article as doublespeak. I think it more appropriate to coin the term triplespeak.</p>
<blockquote><p>Philosophers talk about the “dirty hands” problem: <strong>are lies OK in the pursuit of truth?</strong></p></blockquote>
<p>Priceless!</p>
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