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    John F. Hultquist

    California nodded to reality this week;
    keeping some carbon-based electrical facilities
    into the future – - until a miracle happens.

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      John F. Hultquist

      9:46 am Saturday here
      2:46 am Sunday in Perth
      A message into the future!
      Disproving several laws of physics.

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      RickWill

      Apparently California does not have smart meters.

      If they had smart meters they could get all those wanting rid of the gas plants to opt for low cost weather dependent electricity. The smart meters allow remote control of the household connection so this opting for the low-cost power would have their supply disconnected on a rolling basis such that demand matched the supply from the weather dependent generators – proper Demand Management.

      You get what you pay for – Those opting for the low cost power get supply based on availability. If wind is blowing and sun shining they might be connected for 45 minutes every hour. If the wind is down at night they might only get 5 minutes connection every hour.

      Actually South Australia’s problem is almost the reverse of this. There is some talk of having to use smart meters to selectively isolate households rooftop solar to keep the grid stable. That is more effective than isolating large areas because that could also take out demand and contribute to instability.

      South Australia is already close to being unstable. The demand today is forecast to get below 400MW. That is below the demand that AEMO has stated to be a stable level and still 2 months away from minimum Sunday Lunch demand. Will be interesting early November!

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    Jojodogfacedboy

    Huge mistake of importing from China now is that quality has totally fallen off a cliff.
    What is pictured and described is far from what you actually get.
    Metal not tempered properly makes the product bend or break easily.
    Can’t exactly send it back.
    When we did our own products, if the quality was not their, you could send it back.
    From 2 years ago, to now, even the jewelry is far from what is advertised and what you get.

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      Annie

      I bought a 4-tined small gardening fork the other day. The only choices were Chinese. Two tines bent on first use and I bent them back by hand…it’s useless. I wanted one with a longer handle but it’s a waste of time (tine) and money.

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        Annie

        Would that British or Australian steel ones were available.

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        Dennis

        Maybe the chemical composition of the steel used to produce gardening forks is mainly for home market, just in case a people’s rebellion begins?

        LOL

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        beowulf

        Buying quality tools is an achievement these days. Even supposedly good brands are made in China. Strange how our ancestors could make better steel than we apparently can. The best hand tools can be had at markets where 2nd hand junk is sold if you know what you are doing. Old stuff that belonged to some tradesman 70 years ago is a fair guarantee of quality. I have tools of my father’s that are getting on towards 80 years old that are as good as the day he got them as an apprentice during the war.

        I have a morticing axe (used for chopping the holes in post and rail fence posts) and a broad axe (for shaping heavy timbers), hand-made by a blacksmith probably a century ago. Beautiful steel or likely malleable iron. I tried to buff back a few tiny rust spots on the surface with valve grinding paste, but the iron just laughed at my efforts. In 20 minutes of effort an air buffer made no impression.

        I saw another broad axe that must have been heavily rusted and buffed back with a wire brush. The hardness of the iron varied over the surface as it was stripped away by the brush, revealing the crystal structure within the steel to highlight individual hammer blows by some long-dead smith; radiating out from each hammer blow were crystalline rings visible to the naked eye. Unexpected and fascinating stuff. Shows you how forging transforms steel.

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          Deano

          Certainly with manual machine tools such as lathes, mills etc, the machines made in Germany, Switzerland and some British and US stuff from the 1950′s to early 70′s has never been equaled for finish and ease of use. Good examples fetch high prices on the 2nd hand market.

          Yet the new Chinese garbage is at least as bad now as it was when I first used a Chinese lathe about 35 years ago and the prices over that time have barely risen – which tells us something about their quality control and those silly little stickers claiming “Quality Passed”. I suppose it’s an abbreviation for “Quality Passed Away – RIP”.

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            beowulf

            I used to deal with a lot of mining equipment and I have seen “new” Chinese equipment that was obviously made from re-used steel. There was heavy plate with large holes that had clearly been inexpertly filled with weld and ground flat; there was heavy rust pitting over most of the surface with a coat of paint slapped over it. The welds looked like they were done by a 5 year old with palsy. It looked crap and it was crap, but the machinery was half the price of Ozzie-made and when the coal mining crash was on back in 2011— 2013 that was what the companies wanted.

            On the other hand, I had some Taiwanese sheet metal equipment. It was beautifully designed and built. Absolute top quality and we worked it to death for years with not the slightest problem.

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            Annie

            When we returned to Australia a few years ago some of our tools were ‘lost’; my husband’s large garden fork and my lovely little garden spade among other things. On a visit back to England we found a really good, old little spade, made sure it had a really good clean and disinfect and brought it back with us by air! It went missing in Dubai airport for a while but we traced it and later we had to retrieve it from the ‘awkward’ item desk at Melbourne airport.
            It’s a great little proper tool. My husband has tools that he bought over 50 years ago when we were first married and has inherited others from his father and grandfather. Proper stuff.

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    Jojodogfacedboy

    When a vaccine causes a disease…
    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/un-forced-admit-gates-funded-vaccine-causing-polio-outbreak-africa
    When trust is totally shattered in what the media and government tells us.

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    James Murphy

    Duke Energy – another power company unafraid to rip off its customers to help it on its way to green Nirvana.

    “…Duke Energy Corp., the nation’s largest electric utility, says it can cut greenhouse gas emissions more than 70% in the next 15 years in North and South Carolina — but doing so could cost customers up to $58 a month…”

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    James Murphy

    BP to sell its London HQ as a result of making everyone work from home.

    Working from home is ok, but I know we will start hearing stories of companies abusing the concept, and indeed, only doing it to save money on expensive real estate, not because they think they can be a “better company”, or because they care about any of their employees.

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      I worked from home for five Years . I had a office in the garden and so had a physical division between work and home.

      I certainly missed the interaction with other people, necessary as I was working freelance.

      If you do not have your own dedicated space, as many won’t it becomes more problematic although to counter that your costs are likely to be lower and the commuting hassles are gone.
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      We used zoom for around three months and found it is a very unsatisfactory way of communicating.

      Also if people can work from home 50 miles from their office it won’t be long before their company realises the job can be done 5000 miles away by people who will demand a fraction of the pay pensions and perks and won’t be subject to onerous regulations.

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        TdeF

        Or wages. Take Eastern Europe. That has already happened in IT.

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        James Murphy

        like a lot of people I hadn’t had to work from home until March, and I agree, the interaction with others is a big change.

        I know it is extremely hard for a lot of people who live in pretty small apartments. some of my colleagues were obviously finding hard when both they, and their husband or wife was also on the phone doing their job, and they only have a 50m2 apartment (or less) for 2 adults and 1-2 small children.

        Financially, the company I work for provided heavily discounted lunches at the office based canteen, and obviously that has stopped, and has not been replaced with the alternative, which are lunch vouchers, so, the company saves a fortune. I find it a bit strange that the usually strident French friends and colleagues of mine have not started burning cars in the street over this loss of employee benefits… maybe they will get to it now that summer holidays have finished!.

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        DOC

        TonyB, that’s globalisation in a nutshell. We’ve exported jobs on that basis for 40years.Similarly, its the basis of One World Government; get those pesky national borders out of the way and drop nationalism in the bin – they get in the way of profits and ultimate power for the few ‘IN’ crowd.

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        yarpos

        I guess all this cutting edge, dynamic , creative corporate culture stuff was all BS then? we can all just sit at home churning out units of work

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      RickWill

      I worked from home from 2002 to 2012 before retirement. My worked involved a lot travel to production facilities around the world for about 30% of my time. So I got out to see a lot of people and the travel often involved being with work colleagues. I have a home office or work space that accommodates 3 people that was set up for three sons for electronic gaming when they were in primary school. For three of those ten years I shared the work space with my daughter-in-law who was living with us running her own business while she and son saved for a house. We worked reasonably well together in the work space although she was in the office for only a few hours each day and I was often travelling.

      To me, there is a lot of sense in working from home if you do not get isolated from your employer and colleagues. The technology now enables it. In my opinion, working from home offers better quality of life. I could handle slow tedious commutes in traffic but the infrastructre inevitably gets pushed to its limit before it gets improved.

      Apparently house hunters in Melbourne are now putting priority on home office space.

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        Chad

        Working from home is only even viable for a fraction of the “workforce”. “Deskbound “ type jobs, which fortunately are mostly concentrated in City/Town / urban areas.
        The majority of the workforce , manufacturing, retai, healthcare , waste services, electricity, waterboard, agriculture, transport etc etc etc… None of those have the option of WFH.
        And i find it selfish to complain about the “cost savings” for a company dealing with the financial cliff fall of COVID impact. What about your own savings on commuting costs ?
        This is not over yet, so consider it fortunate to have the WFH option as you may not even have that option for a paid job by the year end !

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          RickWill

          The Pilbara Iron Ore operations centre, which operates the largest iron export facilities in Australia, is located in Perth managing all the operations more than 2000km away.
          https://www.calibregroup.com/projects/project/rio-tinto-remote-operations-centre-enablement
          Support staff doing the reporting and development of the production plans could work from anywhere in the world. Most of the equipment is automated. One of the benefits of automation over manual control is the stability off the process. That reduces wear and tear, thereby reducing maintenance burden.

          And mining is such a primitive yet complex process compared with manufacturing. The raw materials into a manufacturing process are specified to tight tolerances. The basic raw material for a mining process is God given.

          I have a friend in Texas, USA who does the product development, product engineering, process development as well as sales and marketing for the factory he has a controlling interest in located in China. He has not been off his residential property in 2020 because he has diabetes and is concerned about contracting the virus.

          Going back to the early 90s, I was doing process and machine monitoring remotely more than 2000km away. Technology has improved dramatically since then.

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            yarpos

            not everything can be managed/produced or done over an IP connection

            sooner or later someone has to do real things

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    The Depraved and MOST Deplorable (and still asleep) Vlad the Impaler

    Peaceful protestors in action:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umfSM-mOdQg

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      Yonniestone

      A speed bump is about the only job these idiots could get……second thoughts they wouldn’t meet the specifications regarding reliability…..

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      RickWill

      Reading the comments and thumbs up gives the impression that Joe should just give up now,

      Some examples:

      And THIS is why i’ll be voting Republican for the first time in my life.

      There are 120 thumbs up 0 down

      A patient man, trying to get gas, who not once raised his voice is considered to be a domestic terrorist because he…uh…he…was patient, and tried to get gas…and didn’t yell…yeah.

      This gets 275 up and none down.

      There are no thumbs down as far as I can see. It has 176k views at the time I looked.

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    Travis T. Jones

    Covid 19 numbers surge after mask mandate in Hawaii

    via blog ‘behind the black’

    (’oogle the link using headline)

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    David Maddison

    For 2001: A Space Odyssey fans.

    Another analysis about what it means.

    https://youtu.be/ljeSe1j5a9E

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      PeterS

      It’s just a science-fiction/fantasy. Nothing to read into it. I enjoyed it the first time I watched it a long time ago and tried to read into it. Each time I watched since I liked it less and less until now I realised it’s just a nonsense story. Amazing to think anyone believes it’s some sort of documentary, which some do. Personally I prefer Barbarella and Flash Gordon; they are a lot funnier.

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      Peter C

      Thanks,

      I thought I would just take a quick look but I watched the whole thing (about 30 minutes). It was interesting enough to keep my attention.

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    Richard Ilfeld

    On any measure of human ability, one half of the population has a measure that lies below the median.
    It is good to remember this when going into an election, and when considering what the parties are tying to convince their
    potential voters reality resembles.
    Still.

    Once, the icons of the civil rights movement came from the black churches, and those who integrated higher education.
    Today they are the unfortunate victims of police involved violence.
    While Civil rights in MLK’s day sometimes turned on police involvement I remember the antecedents differently.

    Supposedly, our current president has contempt for the heroes of our prior wars. You can believe the anonymous sources who assert this,
    and anonymous reports who confirm it.

    These would be the same sources who report that the months of civil disorder we have seen in the US is also the responsibility of the President.
    As is COIVD, of course.

    I admit to having followed politics historically in both Britain and Australia, tho I had little stake in the outcomes. Your folks have always seemed far more
    interested in competitive public debate and a clever turn of phrase that ours where more have gained votes with mud slinging and walking-around money. But perhaps this
    is just a case of familiarity breeding contempt.

    If the world listens to our politicians this time, I’d expect the level of disgust might make us an international pariah, and perhaps this is as it should be. It is hard to imagine or internal politics at the moment allowing the US to be a reliable ally. A good part of the world already suffers from TDS, we are told, but who in their right mind could trust the other side? What bizarre domestic forces might they allow to motivate whimsical international relations? Pro or anti China? Iran? Turkey? Green Energy?
    Internal race relations? Is Wokeness required. or not? Will we kill or support the dollar? Can you trust the US with any secret if it could be used in domestic politics?
    Will foreign companies be subject to the same random forces that can cripple domestic ones.

    For the first time in my memory, there is no serious concern whosoever with foreign affairs in our election; The incumbent has policies he will continue, of course, but these are clearly subject to adustment in a post COVID world. The challenging committer whose true composition is unknown would “have done better in the past and will do better the the future”.

    Wow.

    I am embarrassed for my country,

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      Richard

      What you say is interesting because it has just made me realise that the amount of interest in the US election hete in the UK is lower than at any time I can remember.

      Normally we have all the primaries and stuff before any candidate is Even selected, so for getting on for a year the presidential race gets a high profile hete.

      But not this year. America has not become irrelevant of course but as it turns inwards, pax Americana is vanishing and you are much less relevant than you once were.

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      RickWill

      Australian polling shows that mud slinging has more bang for buck than evidence of good leadership. It appears there is more value in promoting the opposition weakness than your strengths.

      Australia was quite fortunate to have Scott Morrison at the Federal level right now. He IS incredibly pragmatic. He has a pleasant demeanour and good human qualities. He learnt a tough lesson in leadership when he went on holiday while fires were spreading down the east coast at the start of last summer. Those lessons put him in a good place to tackle Covid19.

      Go back up to #6 and look at the video linked there. Then read the comments under the video – the comments will give you a better feeling about your USA.

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      DOC

      Richard, as an outside observer of US politics, I would be maximally concerned with the state of you media. It is so split in two that one side will print every lie and every rumour against the President as truth, ignore his every success, and desmirch every attempt to approach China and North Korea to get peace deals instead of sabre rattling.

      Turn to social media like Twitter, Facebook and Google and you are actively getting conservative voices censored out and WOKE is supported everywhere. Your Institutions are already corrupted by the left, as are many of your Courts, and now most of the media is similarly tainted. Fortunately, many people seem to recognise what is happening, but they are being silenced in true leftist fashion in what are rapidly becoming pretend democracies.

      The entire place looks like a melting pot ready to explode, and the elections could be the fuse based on open postal voting.

      What puzzles me, and we are getting a bit of the same here in our politics, is the extent that politics has been converted from a social advancement sport – who could do most for the nation – to a contest to get outright power for power’s sake over the nation and its people. In some ways the outcome of such contests we see here in Victoria with the extreme socialist Premier Andrews.

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    Good news!

    100 extinction rebellion activists closed down a number of our newspapers today.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8700431/Extinction-Rebellion-protesters-block-roads-outside-national-newspaper-printing-presses.html

    73 have been arrested and 20 will be fined £10000 each for breaking covid guidelines. Normally if you claim to be XR or BLM you can do what you want so perhaps the police have realised the public are fed up that such people can get away with demos but those protesting against lockdowns or other causes will get fined

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      tonyb

      A follow up to my post on XR made last night.

      They have a very bad reaction overnight and in todays media. There is talk of re-categorising them as a criminal organisation with all that implies. They are lobbying Parliament to get an extreme Climate Bill through and seem to have shot themselves in both feet and alienated even their woke followers. For the first t8me they have openly revealed their political agenda, which is Marxist.

      Apparently, for those who may be interested in British News, the Sunday Telegraph does not have a yay wall today so that people unable to buy a newspaper yesterday can catch up

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    A look at Australia’s weather for August and the implications for climate change. Designed for the uncommitted who are not into scientific details but just the simple facts.
    http://www.dinosaurdiary.com.au

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      Peter Fitzroy

      And…
      Look Mr Pete, Climate has a base line of 30 years for a reason. And that reason is that 30 years becomes statistically significant.
      Comparing one month does not mean a hill of beans in that context.

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        Mr Fitz,
        That’s why I call it a weather report. Thanks for reading anyway.

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          There are many people (because of a lack interest or knowledge) who are influenced by the catastrophic climate cacophony. The climate change posts on my blog are simply trying to say that in the overall scheme of things, it is all pretty much normal.

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            Peter Fitzroy

            So where on your blog do I find your qualifications? All I see that you claim 70 years of life experience.

            So your stance against climate change is all informed by your privileged white lifestyle?

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              Annie

              ‘So your stance against climate change is all informed by your privileged white lifestyle?’
              That was just gratuitous rudeness Peter F.

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                Peter Fitzroy

                Why Annie?
                “Australia’s weather for August and the implications for climate change” this is the statement that I’m trying to parse into logic. That was why I pointed out that one month can not inform trends on climate change.
                However, when you are insulated from any consequences of your lifestyle (white, rich, old, entitled), it is easy to prognosticate based on only your experience.

                Here is the most egregious example – if you work hard you will be rich (or at least well off). Tell that to a contract cleaner who is paid a pittance, but is considered “essential”, and compare that to someone like the founder of Amazon. How is actually working harder?

                If you are honest you will realise that climate change means nothing to you (or me for that matter) as we can just turn up the air con. You insulated from that, your sense of privilege means that you could not give a tinker’s cuss about where your food comes from (those poor people should take any job going) how your garments are made, (those uppity chinese should know their place)

                Back to the “Australia’s weather for August and the implications for climate change” starts from a place of privilege, as there is no downside to being wrong, either in logic or in the prediction. Why? Because old white privilege (in Aussie Pete’s case)

                I’m being asked that nothing but 70 years on this planet is enough to solve all existential problems. That is the very definition of privilege.

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                Fred Streeter

                Australia’s weather for August and the implications for climate change” starts from a place of privilege, as there is no downside to being wrong, either in logic or in the prediction. Why? Because old white privilege (in Aussie Pete’s case)

                With all due respect to Pete, there is no downside to his being right or wrong in logic or prediction because in his “About me” page he clearly states:

                I have to have an answer, even if it’s wrong, it will do until something better turns up.

                Hardly a self-endorsement.

                I’m being asked that nothing but 70 years on this planet is enough to solve all existential problems.

                How on earth can you construe his existential opinion that things are pretty much normal, climate wise, as a “solution” to even that one “existential problem”?

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              I do not claim scientific qualifications but 70 years of observations should have equipped me to sit for a diploma in common sense, but that is for my readers to judge.

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              yarpos

              Wow, always on the mount of self assumed superiority aent we?

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              Fred Streeter

              Here is the most egregious example – if you work hard you will be rich (or at least well off). Tell that to a contract cleaner who is paid a pittance, but is considered “essential”

              My grandmother – a single parent, divorced, with two young sons – worked hard as a cleaner, for a pittance. She also worked hard to better herself and got an office job, promotions, and a reasonable income and pension.

              Not exactly Mr Bezos, but a comfortable old age.

              The point being that the hard work required to better yourself is not increasing the number of stairs scrubbed per hour.

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        el gordo

        A month is nothing, but seasonal forecasts are important because it gives us a possible direction. Looking ahead we can see La Nina fully formed by February, with the consequence of flooding in south east Australia.

        ‘Climate has a base line of 30 years for a reason.’

        Yes its strongly related to the 60 year cycle observed in ice cores and shallow sea cores.

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          Peter Fitzroy

          If you were to compile, say 10 years of seasonal forecasts, and then relate them to a 30 year baseline, I would agree with you.

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            el gordo

            According to NOAA

            ‘Scientists traditionally define a Climate Normal as an average over a recent 30-year period. … So, our scientists have traditionally defined Normals as averages over 30 years simply because that is the accepted convention—not because a 30-year average is the only logical or “right” way to define a Climate Normal.’

            In effect we could have a 60 year climate cycle.

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              Peter Fitzroy

              interestingly NOAA refers to the WMO who stat

              “Climate in a narrow sense is usually defined as the “average weather,” or more rigorously, as the statistical description in terms of the mean and variability of relevant quantities over a period of time ranging from months to thousands or millions of years. The classical period is 30 years, as defined by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO). These quantities are most often surface variables such as temperature, precipitation, and wind. Climate in a wider sense is the state, including a statistical description, of the climate system.” My bold
              they go one to state
              “In statistical terminology, the curve of the frequency distribution representing the probability of specific meteorological events occurring is changed. The curve may be modified either in amplitude, or shifted about a new mean, or both.” Again my bold

              In this case “Climate Normal” is defined as the baseline to measure that change in the frequency distribution

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    Robber

    From the Australian this morning:
    “University of Melbourne modelling suggests case numbers will not be low enough for the government to safely lift restrictions without risking a third wave of the virus by Christmas, with cases on average halving every 18 days under stage four. On that trend, single-digit cases would not be a reality until November.” “Premier Daniel Andrews yesterday warned the government would only ease restrictions once the coronavirus second wave was “truly defeated”.”
    Perhaps like all good models they have a number of scenarios, and it wouldn’t surprise me if Disaster Dan likes to publicise the worst case scenario, as it suits his stay in lockdown mantra.
    So I’m not expecting much “freedom” will be revealed in Dan’s roadmap later today.

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      TdeF

      Dan loves absolute power. It is his dream, the new communist dictator with his own country which can negotiate directly with China. And he is afraid that if he stops ruling by edict and with direct control of the police, people might question what he has achieved with absolute power for the last six months. By my counting at least 600 deaths which occurred nowhere else. Queensland has 9 and New Zealand 22.

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        Orson

        Cracks in New Zealand. While the first weeks lockdown in April saw New Zealand pretty unified, the August 19 day not quite a lockdown for Auckland, over a single community case that remains of unknown recent origin, requires a rethink.

        The New Zealand Herald claimed a survey found Team NZ in tact, a business consultancy looked at a broader set of data and finds cracks in unity. For example, frustration and resentment has risen, and depression and anxiety have grown something less than 10%.

        Whether this disaffection spills over into the election results, delayed until October, remains to be seen.

        Personal observations? Food insecurity and homelessness are far higher this round, whereas it was not really seen in April. Today, in Auckland’s CBD, begging is a daily sight and sound. This was not at all the case last autumn. MORE
        https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/2018762425/cracks-in-the-team-of-5-million

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      RickWill

      I have doubts that models are anything like the current reality in Melbourne.

      They will not have factored in the illegal Eid al-Fitr gatherings in May that supercharged Victoria’s second wave. I figure those gatherings were far more effective in causing an upsurge in cases than filling the MCG for a football match.

      They will not have factored in the immunity now achieved within the nursing ranks in Melbourne hospitals and aged care homes. I did note there is acknowledgement that a large proportion of new cases is still within hospital staff.

      One aspect I do like is using sewage effluent to detect the presence of Covid. Apparently that testing has highlighted issues at Avoca. However I bet that feature of detection is not being incorporated in models.

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    TdeF

    The bias of reporters is astounding. Even calling such writers reporters is a joke.

    In the Telegraph today and article which said Trump and Biden visited Kenosha and Biden won. To support his argument was a quick poll and his amazing declaration that despite Trump’s words, ‘whole swathes of Kenosha were not in flames’.

    I presume that means it was another ‘largely peaceful protest’ where all three words are deceit. And the other is that Black people all see that they are the victims of police violence and not the victims of black violence protected only by the police. And despite the fact that as across America largely black businesses are burnt down by largely white anarchists. And 90% of all black shootings are by black people.

    The story is that the black people are the victims and deserve trillions in compensation. And it is told by rich and successful black people like Obama, Winfrey and Harris and all the millionaire footballers and basketball players. People of any other skin colour are not mentioned and racism does not exist in any other country. Like Africa and India.

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    Furiously curious

    Maybe it’s been up before, but this is 30 minutes of police body cam of George Floyd’s arrest. ‘Another day in the hood’, badly handled, Trojan horsed, unforeseen consequences.
    I don’t know if George will be happy being memorialised by Burn Loot and Murder? How about t shirts with $20 bills printed on them? No no no, that is such bad taste. I’m so sorry I ever thought that.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/george-floyd/video-2227474/Video-bodycam-footage-George-Floyds-arrest-released.html

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      el gordo

      Its a good look, very impressive outfits, but there is no indication from government that mandatory vaccination will come into place.

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      Yonniestone

      They arrested Avi Yemini at the Melbourne protest using unnecessary force while doing his job as a reporter, later that night Vic Police paid him a visit at his home in what can only be described as intimidation tactics, the fact one officer uses the words “you are on our list” is a gross insult to a J#$ish person considering history and should frighten any Australian .

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        David Maddison

        Yes, absolutely disgraceful. He was certainly targeted because he was a pro-freedom conservative journalist, and given the increasingly-revealed antisemitism of the Left (and given that Victoriastan police are now personal political enforcers of Dan Andrews), more than likely because he was of the Hebrew faith as well.

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          PeterS

          I don’t what it will take to wake up Victorians in particular that the Marxists have truly taken over in government. I heard on 2GB early morning the Victorian police are being told by their bosses their new guidelines on “compelled speech”. Sounds more line the thought police is now a reality.

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            el gordo

            Objection your honour, the Victorian government is not pseudo Marxist, blackshirts are back in vogue …. a dark force is more intimidating.

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        David Maddison

        Here is the video (audio mostly) of Andrews’ personal thought police / stormtroopers visiting Avi Yemeni in the middle of the night.

        As an Australian, I find this terrifying.

        https://youtu.be/jso8elxnjoQ

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          PeterS

          Absolutely a disgrace. The fact that the Premier couldn’t care less about all this and rather spend his time grandstanding every day is proof enough he is acting like a dictator and loves the power trip.

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          RickWill

          I expect he could mount a well funded case to seek damages under the circumstances. Dan and his storm troopers are creating a sh–storm of illwill.

          He has probably advised other media outlets so they are primed for the next encounter.

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          Kalm Keith

          This business grows more disgusting by the minute.

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          tonyb

          I see the clip has had numerous comments. How can any democratic govt behave in this way yet I understand that the Victorian Govt has high approval ratings?

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            tonyb: I understand that the Victorian Govt has high approval ratings?

            Not only that, but people I find typically laid back about life in general are over the top sticklers that wearing a mask is no big deal and wtf do you think you’re doing by questioning it etc, etc. They would vote this numpty back in a heart beat. It is far more frightening than any concerns I hold for COVID-19.

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    el gordo

    ‘Extinction Rebellion could be treated as an organised crime group as part of a major crackdown on its activities that may also include new protections for MPs, judges and the press, the Telegraph can disclose.

    ‘Whitehall sources said Boris Johnson and Priti Patel have asked officials to take a “fresh look” at how the group is classified under the law, after the Prime Minister described its blockading of major printing presses as “completely unacceptable”.

    Sunday Tele

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      Graeme No.3

      What is happening in the UK?
      There are suggestions that the BBC needs reform to cut waste spending and bias. Even the statement that “too many BBC types are being hired”.

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        el gordo

        The pandemic has had a profound effect on Boris.

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          Another Ian

          Yeah – but as Spike Milligan said and adapting

          “He was never the same again. Mind you he was never the same before but he was never the same again”

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        RickWill

        It appears that woke is changing its face in the UK. Get a load of this character assignation from Kay Burley on Sky News:
        https://news.sky.com/video/tony-abbott-full-exchange-with-matt-hancock-and-kay-burley-12062305

        Never mind how suited Tony Abbott is to the job, because Julie Guillard labelled him a mysoginist and he did not support gender continuum, he is unsuited to any job in the UK.

        If Tony Abbott does not get the job he would be in line for a significant payout from Sky. I expect the job would not pay peanuts. He would get a lot of support in Australia to fund a civil case for defamation.

        I wonder if Peta Credlin has seen the clip. She would be fuming over this interview from her own work colleague.

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          Annie

          I saw that on Outsiders. Disgraceful stuff, treating Tony Abbott to such disgusting behaviour by that Sky UK interviewer. TA would have very good cause to seek huge damages from them. I hope Peta Credlin weighs in again, as she did the other night on her own programme at 6pm. Sky News (Australia) on WIN leaves the rest standing.

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          RickWill

          It appears Peta Credlin has not looked across at her UK colleague Kay Burley:
          https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6187715181001
          She makes the assumption that only the UK left leaning press are defaming Abbott. Surely she has seen the Kate Burley attack!

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          Kalm Keith

          Ugly stuff.

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          Dennis

          The Facts

          Relentless negativity against Tony Abbott MP commenced just before he became Opposition Leader in Australia, and leading the smear campaign was a political rival Malcolm Turnbull who was Opposition Leader at the time (2009) and he was aided by his faction that called themselves “Black Hand”, and they recruited Labor Union associates activist organisation GetUp to help them.

          A UK Labour Spin Doctor came to Australia on a 457 Visa to work for the SA State Labor Government and was recruited to move to Canberra to work for the Prime Minister, Labor Government, media department. He had created and managed a smear campaign that failed to work against a UK Opposition Leader based on misogyny and reworked that campaign for use against Opposition Leader Abbott. PM Gillard took an opportunity answering tricky questions about the Speaker of the House her Government appointed to deliver a speech targeting Abbott alleging he was a misogynist and homophobe.

          Parliament is known as “Coward’s Castle” because defamation law does not apply there. PM Gillard delivered her speech and it was recorded in Hansard but Abbott had no legal basis to challenge the validity of the allegations which many who know him well have since said were without foundation. Including his sister who is in a same sex marriage, but many others including a former ADF Officer who is a trans gender person and friend of Tony Abbott.

          When the Sky interviewer asked for a comment from Ms Gillard she declined, but stated that her speech is on record. The speech that feminists claimed made Gillard a role model for young women at the time. A speech written by a male spin doctor.

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          tonyb

          Boris has appointed Abbott and the woke press have been ignored. Boris is starting to realise he has a huge majority to carry out the wishes of the British people of which the first is disentangling ourselves from the slimy octopus that is the EU.

          XR have shot themselves I the foot over trying to close down the press

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        beowulf

        The BBC is already under the gun.

        Boris confirms major changes to the BBC licence system:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2L7Cc9EMWs

        As I noted a week ago, de-criminalising non-payment of the TV licence is expected to go through parliament in November. This means it is still an offence, but only a civil offence, and getting harder to enforce. The next and more difficult step is to change the funding structure of the Beeb. Boris has a timetable for winding back the BBC but progress is made more difficult by the Royal Charter of the BBC which doesn’t expire until 2027.

        Compare Ita Buttrose to the BBC’s new boss, ex-Conservative pollie Tim Davie who has vowed to crack down on BBC bias.

        Left wing “comedy” shows are in his sights — oh what a tragedy.

        He immediately ordered an about-turn on their previous decision to ban the singing of Rule, Britannia and Land of Hope and Glory at the Last Night of the Proms.

        He immediately culled almost half the BBC’s executive board.

        He has also declared war on BBC staff who want to be political campaigners on Twitter.

        “If you want to be an opinionated columnist or a partisan campaigner on social media then that is a valid choice, but you should not be working at the BBC.”
        We urgently need to champion and recommit to impartiality.
        He warned journalists against being “driven by our personal agendas” and urged staff to work “free from political bias” whatever their own views.

        He warned staff the broadcaster could not be “complacent” about its future and that it had “no inalienable right to exist”

        https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/09/03/bbc-still-relevant-millions-peoples-lives-says-broadcasters/

        Does any of this sound like Ita’s response to the excesses of the ABC?

        The Beeb still has 22,000 staff (including 9 choirs and orchestras costing £30 million per year). It recently handed out £700,000 to staff as a long service bonus at £5,000 a pop. Its salaries to its presenters are beyond outrageous.

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          Kalm Keith

          That contrasts sharply with Ita and our ABC and it doesn’t reflect well on our PM Morrison.

          MalEx444 lite?

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    Furiously curious

    I’m having trouble getting my head around the thinking that we have to have major restrictions, possibly leading to full lockdowns, until we have a vaccine? We have a vaccine for influenza, which is 40-60% effective, and we have 1200 influenza deaths in an average year. What are the chances of getting a 90% effective vaccine in the next year or so? I guess we’re hoping this virus is like smallpox, or yellow fever, and it doesn’t mutate much. Hasn’t it already shown signs of changing? So aren’t we really stuck with having to live with this thing, and why the hell isn’t there any focus on Invermectin, HCQ, or what ever else deals with the symptoms. Maybe the vaccine from Qland, that doesn’t target the virus directly, just the general processes, will do the job? Here’s hoping.
    But 100% eradication. Not holding my breath.

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      Plain Jane

      I am shocked that there is such world wide activity AGAINST any treatment. I thought things were bad, but not so bad that this whole pandemic was created, planned, and that cures and possible cures are actively being suppressed. Also incensed that peoples own ability to protect themselves, such as being able to access OTC medication, is being taken away from them. I was really incensed to find they removed famotidine from the market, and the supermarket shelves in the USA (and Australia) in the months BEFORE the pandemic broke out. Makes me think famotidine might work against covid. This drug was taken off the shelves for similar silly safety reasons as HCQ. Let us hope they dont try to remove Ivermectin from the shelves in the veterinary applications. While I get it “They” are after Trump, and the American people, I dont get it why other governments such as ours go along with this Trump derangement syndrome. Or perhaps it has been a long term plan by the Sir Humphry Applebys of the planet (unelected high level beauracrats without regard to which country they are from, otherwise described by our Auntie ABC as “The International Community” who the ABC are always so concerned to have the good opinion of) to supress the population. If perspective is changed, and long term lock downs and loss of economic and civil freedoms are the desired outcomes, not the response to the situation, then what is happening makes so much more sense.

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      Dennis

      On Bolt Report, Sky News, last week a senior medical doctor was interviewed and there is now a petition signed by many doctors calling on governments to support the use of “treatments” using approved drugs such as Ivermectin and Zinc for patients with COVID-19.

      Also, there is now a private sector based trial underway using volunteers to test the treatment drugs which are claimed to be successful for a high percentage of patients given the treatment.

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    Slithers

    Disillusioned and disgusted.
    Moments ago I saw a youngish couple refused visitation rights. Never seen them before the car they arrived and left in had ACT plates so they had made a serious effort to visit a relative in this new prison called an aged care facility.
    Our rights are being abused and put aside!
    And we live in a civilized society!

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    Peters
    As a young bloke I fell in love with Barbarella. Shame our politics took different directions over the years, but that’s just Hollywood I guess.

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    As someone who has no love of this enforced mask mandate, I welcomed finding egregiously poor use of them by some high profile people – Joe Biden and Dr Fauci being the prime candidates.

    On a whim I went looking for any more examples and found quite a few, so posted them on a little blog. Your average person, but also medical professionals and police are all guilty of mask misuse. Add to that the lack of replacement, and non-checking of quality entirely, and you end up with security theatre at best.

    If you’re interested in checking them out, you know where to click…

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    David Maddison

    So….there is plenty of strong observational evidence that HCQ works for early stage C-19 infection when used in accordance with the Zelenko protocol.

    The drug is as harmless as any drug can possibly be and at least as safe as aspirin.

    People are needlessly dying because it is either banned for C-19 treatment or highly restricted in Australiastan.

    There is no shortage of it since Clive Palmer’s donation to the Australian people which remains unused plus India, world’s largest producer, now has plenty.

    Vast numbers of people are needlessly dying as it is not allowed to be used.

    At least let willing doctors and patients use it. It is, of course, contraindicated for those who have Trump Derangement Syndrome.

    Our politicians and senior public serpents are killing people just because its successful use would be attributed to Trump because his experts suggested it.

    Politicians and public serpents involved in its prohibition or restriction should be held personally liable for the deaths they are causing. They can no longer claim “we didn’t know” and “just following orders” doesn’t cut it either.

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    Graeme No.3

    I posted this in comments to Alan Kohler saying the Government should spend billions on the recovery.
    Curiously it got through Moderation. Obviously it needs more bite, an interested readers suggest anything?

    I have this great idea to boost the economy. On the basis of a contentious hypothesis, we spend (or the various governments do it) tens of billions to make our electricity more expensive and prone to frequent blackouts. As that would make manufacturing here too costly, we could import the components from China, making them happier.
    All that money would make various ‘entrepreneurs’ well off and boost the prices of real estate in places like Toorak and Double Bay and other waterside locations. Sales of expensive imported vehicles would also rise.
    All it needs is a little propaganda. Rather than third rate, publicity seeking scientists why not use actors in a white coat? Cuts unemployment among members of Equity and may well be more convincing.

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      PeterS

      When we have state and federal governments behaving the way they do, who needs a defence force to defend ourselves from overseas enemies? We have them here already (and in other Western nations) who are either hell bent on destroying our way of life or clueless and allowing it to happen right under their noses. The only one who isn’t is Trump. He is alone, and he won’t be around after this election or the next. Enjoy what time we have left. Our freedoms and way of life are slowly but surely being destroyed.

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        el gordo

        ‘ … he won’t be around after this election or the next.’

        The punters think Donald will win this election and as you know he can only run for two terms, so who will replace him?

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      MCMXLIII

      Don’t be too hard on Alan, he has done and is doing his level best to puff wind and solar.

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    Ross

    This is a long legal letter that has been sent to Scott Morrison and all state Premiers BUT everyone should read it.

    https://www.knowyourrightsgroup.com.au/files/Serene_Teffaha_open_letter.pdf

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    PeterS

    Premier Daniel Andrews claims over and over that the data is driving his decisions. Yet it has been proven the data being used is inconclusive, or worse still in some cases fake. Go figure.

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      Another Ian

      Or this order perhaps?

      ” Yet it has been proven the data being used is inconclusive, or worse still in some cases fake.

      Premier Daniel Andrews claims over and over that the data is driving his decisions.”

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    Another Ian

    Some weekend reading

    “Something Wicked This Way Comes”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/09/05/something-wicked-this-way-comes/

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      PeterS

      Thanks. This part explains the root problem:

      Why the Left has such a burning psychological need to constantly fantasize about destruction is no secret: in effect, they are a monomaniacal suicide cult with the added fillip of wanting to take the rest of the world down with them.

      but it covers only half the problem. The other half is the lack of a spine by leaders like PM Morrison who are not necessarily a core part of the loopy left but a conservative with no clue, or perhaps worse still a closet lefty masquerading as a conservative to gain so much support by conservative voters. Either way he is a disgrace for not following Trump’s lead on the Paris Agreement.

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    Furiously curious

    I just lost an old friend to ABC Derangement Syndrome. The change from friendship to highly emotional name calling was quite a shock. I don’t think discussion or facts are likely to change anything. They have got these people ‘by the balls’ emotionally.
    Then I was channel hopping during the adds on Outsiders, and I caught an ABC promo. I don’t know how new it is, but it is very well done, and I reckon would be very effective. It’s basically, ‘I love the ABC’. The best piece of propaganda I have seen in ages. It will put a shudder down your spine. Sure we don’t have to watch it, but it will be cementing the allegiance of 25+% of the population to the ABC tit.

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    Red Edward

    For those following COVID-19 treatments

    The last third is about the Bradykinin pathways and the Vitamin D3 metabolite used for a treat study. Interesting stuff.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TECf3xSFbU

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    RickWill

    Breaking news – Melbournians are now permitted to be outside after 9pm from September 13th – whoopee a whole hour extra to choose from for the hour we can spend outside.

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      RickWill

      And by the end of September, if all goes well, we will be able to have outside gatherings of up to FIVE people. That really gives us something to look forward to. Wife and I will be able to see our grandchildren with one of their parents.

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        Yonniestone

        Most of the protests were postponed due to Andrews timing of the cv-19 road map announcement today, now all bets are off, get ready for a rough ride people.

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      RickWill

      My wife is now very concerned – today Victorian deaths with Covid totalled 666 and Dan made an emotional apology for the hotel quarantine mess – he was close to tears as the reality struck him that with better management ALL this could have been avoided.

      I doubt that any real lessons have been learnt but Dan showed a weak flame of leadership.

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    Annie

    For those who might be interested. In the wake of the disruption to the print runs by ER, the UK Telegraph is paywall free until Monday morning, UK time.

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    dinn, rob

    update Dr. Moreau’s Island
    France 4.9% increase/day new cases/active cases https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/france/
    brazil 46/642= 7.2% increse/day https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/brazil
    India 90.6/765= 11.8% increase/day https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india
    ……………………………………………………………..
    4-3-18 US Ag Dept. Sec. Sonny Perdue had already taken sides during meetings with companies that had been complaining for a long time about regulatory obstacles for genetically modified organisms. The report is in fact unequivocal: “Through innovative methods plant scientists can now create new plant varieties that are indistinguishable from those developed through traditional breeding methods. These new approaches to plant breeding include methods like genome editing and present tremendous opportunities for farmers and consumers alike by making available plants with traits that may protect crops against threats like droughts and diseases.”
    Sonny Perdue has in fact just affirmed that it is urgent to do nothing, leaving the door wide open to a rapid development of different crops already tested in the field for two or three years, such as the Calyxt CRISPR soybean crop, the JR Simplot Co. and Monsanto potatoes containing a gene resistant to late blight for McDonald’s, or the Okanagan Specialty Fruits apples that do not turn brown.
    It should be noted that, the day before the approval of its merger with Bayer, Monsanto invested 25 million dollars (20.4 million euros) in Pairwise, a start-up working on the creation of “diversity” in agricultural seeds thanks to CRISPR, a technique Monsanto adopted in 2016 via a non-exclusive agreement with the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:EnaNDDfzbRMJ:https://www.makery.info/en/2018/04/03/lagriculture-crispr-ne-sera-pas-regulee-aux-etats-unis/+&cd=23&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari
    ………………………………………………..
    6-4-20 A U.S. appeals court has blocked Bayer AG (which lost recently a US $11 billion suit over Roundup) from selling an agricultural weed killer. A three-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency substantially understated the risks related to the use of dicamba, a chemical found in herbicides sold by Bayer and rivals that are sprayed on genetically engineered soybeans and cotton. The herbicides are known to drift away and damage other crops that are not resistant. https://www.insurancejournal.com/news/national/2020/06/04/571058.htm
    ………………….
    Aug 14, 2019 In some ways, synthetic biology is similar to another approach called “genome editing” because both involve changing an organism’s genetic code; however, some people draw a distinction between these two approaches based on how that change is made. In synthetic biology, scientists typically stitch together long stretches of DNA and insert them into an organism’s genome. https://www.genome.gov/about-genomics/policy-issues/Synthetic-Biology

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    Ross

    I have just read a response by Terry McCann to criticism by a few, of a previous article he wrote on the value of HQC. In his response he mentioned that the TGA had now “regulated” HQC as a poison. Does this mean it cannot be prescribed for malaria protection, lupus and rheumatoid arthritis or are they not used in Australia for the latter two?

    https://ysb.co.nz/terry-mccrann-on-hydroxychloroquine/

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      DOC

      Ross, I’ve always said medical drugs are a system of controlled poisoning. I see no change, even if the TGA’s aim is to give a false basis for blocking HQC or any other drug. As I recall, Arsenic was both a therapeutic agent (syphilis) and a poison ie it is always a poison. Most drugs given in excess tend to be ‘poisons’. Such a classification is nonsense. The TGA is supposed to have the courage to block an agent and explain in clear terms why it takes that action.

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    DOC

    COVID-19 is death’s harvester for old age primarily.

    With age in particular comes systemic weakening of body functions. One would like to see how many of the aged die from the immune system storm and how many die from cardiovascular inability to contend with the stress of the infection itself eg from the relative hypoxia.

    Regardless, it’s still COVID that is responsible for precipitating the death. If one rules out a death in the viral statistics on the grounds that a comorbidity makes people succumb to the virus,
    then most statistics in health become meaningless. Being a living organism is to die in the natural course of events. Anything that accomplishes that task earlier than nature, is a cause of early death. We generally say of such people, death was expected one way or another, but the virus
    was the executioner. It counts. The only thing that changes is our emotive response to that event, which is quite different to losing a much younger, more vigorous person.

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      el gordo

      In the old days a plague that primarily took old people, would have been seen as an act of god.

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        DOC

        el Gordo, Absolutely! When I began my career, pneumonia was called ‘the old man’s friend’.
        That covered two problems of old age. Frailty due to chronic illnesses, and loneliness from living too long after family and friends had already died.

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    Lucky

    What is Science?
    I rather like what Richard Feynman wrote:
    ‘Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts.’

    2,500 years before Feynman, a philosopher said:

    “Do not believe in anything just because you have heard it.
    Do not believe in anything just because it is spoken and rumored by many.
    Do not believe in anything just because it is written in religious books.
    Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.
    Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations.
    But after observation and analysis, when you find that something agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it.”

    On this theme I ask, Why accept results from the PCR test?
    As I understand the facts are:

    The PCR test does NOT detect live, viable virus but viral fragments associated with the Sars-CoV-2 virus.
    It flags up people who had the infection in the past whatever their current condition.
    Such viral fragments can remain in the body weeks or even months after the virus itself has gone.
    That is what it was designed to do. Unfortunately, it detects as well, with variable and controllable sensitivity, the presence of certain RNA sequences which are present in all live humans.

    If there something wrong with the above, then post up.
    That the test has been used many years, accepted by Prof. This, used by Imperial College, taught in med schools, and such like is not evidence acceptable to Feynman or Buddha.
    “Show Me.”

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    TdeF

    Finally the big poll. Sportsbet Donald Trump has finally pulled ahead of Joe Biden, $1.85 against $1.95.
    The last election, Trump was 14:1 and still won.

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      Dennis

      Joe Basement was caught out reading a media presentation comment, Sky News showed it, he spoke for a while and when finished said: “comment ends”.

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        TdeF

        Donald Trump Jr. said that Biden had brain operations for two aneurisms. It’s amazing that someone as old and decrepit as Biden has been chosen as the front man for all those unelectable candidates, so his only role is puppet. His ability to read even from printed information is very limited. No wonder Pelosi does not want a single public debate! He will be his own Spitting Image without scripting.. It’s unwatchable.

        So really the democrats are offering President Kamala Harris and Vice President Sanders or Fauxcohontas Warren. That’s an appalling prospect not only for the US but for the planet. An extremist socialist and a communist in charge? Sanders honeymooned in Mikhail Gorbachev’s Russia, a very odd thing to do in 1988. And Fauxcohontas has advantaged herself for a lifetime as a pretend Cherokee Indian when her family were the oppressors, not the victims. All quite unbelievable.

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          RickWill

          It’s unwatchable.

          I could handle no more than 44 seconds.

          Biden would be a serious embarrassment to the USA if he somehow managed to make it the Whitehouse.

          The democrats must be very short on talent to have Binden as their top dog. Maybe it is contempt for Trump. From the Democrat perspective, Trump is such an embarrassment that if someone loses to him they would never be taken seriously again – Hillary proves that point. Biden already meets that criteria so little damage to the party when he fails. He will go peacefully into aged care.

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      robert rosicka

      I’ve been watching the odds for over a year TdeF to see if they were going to get into the same territory they did just before he nominated for the 2016 election .
      I know at one stage they were 600 to 1 and at least one farmer in the US still has a grin on his face after putting a million on Trump to win at those odds .

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      Orson

      And Trump is doing better now, at this point in the campaign re-election of a sitting President, than Obama in 2012.

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    Peter C

    The dissident doctors who wrote an open letter to the premier, Dan Andrews, protesting the damaging lock down have been adding more signatures to their letter. 554 at current count.
    https://www.coviddoctorsnetwork.com/

    I think any registered health professional is invited to sign.

    I am not yet sure if they have a coherent alternative plan.

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      RickWill

      A forensic analysis of the second wave beyond the failure of hotel quarantine would provide considerable insight. We will never hear that though because it would be unwoke to undertake such an analysis. Clearly the public housing buildings were Covid infested and the cause for that would soon become evident. The fact the Bachar Houli was afforded considerable news coverage for his community plea is also revealing. As well as Brett Sutton’swarning ahead of Eid al-Adha.

      My view is that restrictions could now be limited to universal wearing of masks and avoid large gatherings. Continue those restrictions until the contract tracing system is easily coping.

      Additional strategies may involve effluent monitoring and public notice of areas with high incidence. That is not restrictive on community movement.

      Surely employers are now aware of the need to limit spread. Dining places need to limit patrons and keep contact records for groups; easily done if they only permit patrons who have booked and the booking confirmed by phone.

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    Bulldust

    500 doctors in Victoria wrote to Chairman Dan arguing the lockdown is doing more harm than good:

    https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6188159219001

    Now it is not just Bulldust arguing the case, will we start to pay attention? Or is this to be memory holed along with the other post?

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      Kalm Keith

      Yes. You can be “corrected” as I’ve previously experienced, if the message is deemed to be incorrect.

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    Another Ian

    ““You B*stards Sacked Me”: When the climate sceptics arrived”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/09/05/you-bstards-sacked-me-when-the-climate-sceptics-arrived/

    In comments

    ” Craig from Oz
    September 5, 2020 at 10:37 pm

    Tim is truly a Mighty Person.

    Every claim he makes has the “might” escape clause.

    Stick to small dead furry animals, Tim.”

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    Another Ian

    From way back in BC

    Remember this descriptive phrase?

    “Twitter and bisted”

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      Kalm Keith

      Now, Post Covid, Twitter is bisted, twisted and enlisted in the fight to corral thinking into the “correct” mode.

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    David Maddison

    The Victoriastan dictatorship is attracting world attention. This is on American Tony Heller’s YouTube channel.

    https://youtu.be/QCxTQxuhfBg

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    Broadie

    Fighting over the 1918 Flu.

    Scientist were fighting for recognition in isolating the Spanish Flu virus from corpse of victims of the 1918 Pandemic who died in the Artic.

    Interesting discussion of the symptoms, though my understanding was the virus killed the young and healthy and not just the elderly with or without co-morbidities.

    https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bs-xpm-1999-11-18-9911180290-story.html

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    OriginalSteve

    Jo,

    Turns out Victoria has been pursuing a wrong approach and a muddle headed impossible dream – elimination ( of jobs…er…virus… ) but here’s the thing – zero community transmission is impossible long term. This thing is highly infectious and keeps re-appearing, so we are on a hiding to nothing to eliminate it and the only end result is a dead economy, and it appears may have been that was the aim all along.

    However – this virus isn’t a problem – the CDC report stating 94% of deaths not being directly due to covid destroys the need for lock-downs.

    But conveniently they never mention this or the jig would be up.

    Morrison appears to not have understood the ramifications of zero community transmission of a virus that’s like the flu, it just re-occurs every year…..

    Question – how do you achieve zero transmission?

    Answer – I’m sure they would cry “vaccines”… is this the true game?

    Problem-reaction-solution.

    https://www.mja.com.au/journal/2020/probability-6-week-lockdown-victoria-commencing-9-july-2020-achieving-elimination

    “There are three general strategic policy responses to the challenge of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19): elimination, suppression, and mitigation (or herd immunity). No response is free of economic, social and health harms; rather, it is about minimising harm.

    “Society has largely rejected a mitigation response because of concerns about the likely high morbidity and mortality arising from such a response. On 24 July, the Australian Health Protection Principal Committee recommended “that the goal for Australia is to have no community transmission of COVID-19” (3), and on the same day Prime Minister Scott Morrison accepted and affirmed this recommendation, stating “The goal of that is obviously, and has always been no community transmission” (4).

    “Unfortunately, this first clear statement that Australia’s goal is to eliminate community transmission was late in coming, as the Victorian outbreak was already in full swing, with case numbers peaking at a 5-day average of about 500 per day from 29 July to 5 August, resulting in a stage 4 lockdown commencing on 3 August.

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    Rocket Rod

    Via armstrongeconomics.com just now

    With more and more evidence coming out that this COVID-19 has been an orchestrated political attempt to prepare to subjugate the people for this Great Reset, the police who are supporting absolute tyranny in Melbourne, they are risking the real world mindless authoritarian power. Even the CDC in the USA admits more people are dying from suicides and drug overdoses than COVID. The German Health Minister has publicly admitted the lockdowns were a mistake.
    Why is the Victoria police so anti-freedom? This illustrates that when the revolution comes, they are the first to be hanged as traitors. I have shown that when the police turn and support the people, that is when true freedom emerges as took place when Yeltsin stood on the tanks in 1991 in Moscow begging for them not to shoot their own people and in Ukraine when the police turned against Yanukovich. When they continue to support ruthless governments as they are doing in Melbourne and Venezuela, they inspire revolution which turns eventually violent.
    It is truly astonishing how the Melbourne police are doing the same as the Nazis plead at Nuremberg – I was just following orders!.

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      deep state is after us Rod. Fill us in on this ” more and more evidence” so we can prepare ourselves.

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      el gordo

      ‘Why is the Victoria police so anti-freedom?’

      They are zealots doing their job and should have been employed by Dan in the beginning at quarantine hotels, instead he cut corners and used security guards.

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    el gordo

    Bitcoin is an asset class, like gold, a hedge against inflation that is sure to follow in the wake of the pandemic stimulus.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/billybambrough/2020/09/06/bitcoin-is-braced-for-a-massive-week/#29b66d0c3601

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    el gordo

    China seeks atheist teachers.

    ‘New regulations underscore ban against unauthorised promotion of religion in the classroom and require new overseas hires to complete 20 hours of study on the country’s political system

    ‘Authorities are closing what little space there was to discuss the Bible and faith, observers and insiders say.’ SCMP

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