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    Bill Hall

    Ivermectin + Doxycycline + Zinc. = 100% cure of COVID-19 is the claim.

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      OriginalSteve

      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8186287/Monash-University-scientists-anti-parasite-Ivermectin-kill-COVID-19-cells-two-days.html

      “Coronavirus breakthrough as scientists discover a drug used to treat HEAD LICE can kill COVID-19 cells

      “* Researchers at Monash University found Ivermectin can kills COVID-19 cells
      “* The anti-parasite drug killed off the cells within two days and is widely available
      “* Scientists are moving towards human trials but expect it to be at least a month
      “* Ivermectin has also been found to work against HIV, influenza and Zika virus

      “By Aap

      “Published: 10:07 AEST, 4 April 2020 | Updated: 12:46 AEST, 4 April 2020

      https://www.drugs.com/vet/ivermectin-sheep-drench.html

      “Dosing

      “Ivermectin Sheep Drench is formulated only for administration to sheep; do not use in other species. The recommended dose level is 3 mL of Ivermectin Sheep Drench, containing 2400 mcg ivermectin, which is sufficient to treat 26 pounds of body weight.
      Advantages

      “Unique chemistry-unrelated to existing formulations. Because Ivermectin Sheep Drench is chemically different, cross-resistance is unlikely in parasite strains which may have developed resistance to other wormers.

      “Broad spectrum effectiveness:

      “One low-volume dose effectively treats and controls many gastrointestinal roundworms including Haemonchus contortus), lungworms, and nasal bots.

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      Kalm Keith

      And what is your opinion on that?

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    OriginalSteve

    Anybody know any Victorians we can pass HCQ info onto?

    It seems Victoria is determined to head off the cliff and keep the place in perpetual lockdown so that its economy is completely destroyed, while ignoring the rapidly-being-proven HCQ option.

    Talking to a relative who is a leftist, they swear black and blue the iffy WHO is the font of all knowledge….wow…..scary….

    We have to rename “Stokholm Syndrome” to “Melbourne Syndrome” now….

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      OriginalSteve

      As predicted – absolutely zero consideration of HCQ, but its alllll about a vaccine….
      As per the globalist agenda found on http://www.wef.ch

      https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/health-versus-economy-trade-off-isn-t-a-solvable-equation-20200808-p55jvq.html

      “Donald Trump and others may have argued the cure shouldn’t be worse than the disease but the renewed outbreak in Victoria, whether it’s a “second wave” or an acceleration of the first, underscores the reality that, until there is an effective and widely-distributed vaccine, there is no cure for either the virus or the economy.

      So are govts appearing to be holding their populations effectively hostage…likely long enough to make Victoria a 3rd world nation, for something a bit worse than a bad flu?

      Or worse..they trot out some nasty concoction they have sitting there for ages….no thanks.

      What was the name of that city in germany where they had those trials after WW2?

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      Original Steve

      This article about melbourne was on the uk site lockdown skeptics

      https://www.aier.org/article/madness-in-melbourne/

      Surely the article is wildly exaggerating or has Victoria really created what sounds little different to a police state?

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        Kalm Keith

        Very good article, especially for those of us unaware of the full extent of the Victorian situation.

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    The July climate report for Australia. Designed for those that don’t like too much detail.
    http://www.dinosaurdiary.com.au

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      Bulldust

      Speaking of weather, it is apparent that the MSM is dodging all reporting of the exceptionally cold weather in many parts:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9I-2LkyhxU

      Tried Googling cold weather Australia for the last 24hours, and got nothing related to these remarkable temperatures.

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        RickWill

        Coldest in Australia was reported on Channel 7 in Melbourne and ABC has a news report:
        https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-07/record-low-temperature-at-coldest-tasmanian-town-liawenee/12533394

        Michael Lasko from the Bureau of Meteorology said the Liawenee temperature was 2C colder than the town’s previous record low of -12.2C, made back in 2013.

        But it is only weather and BoM will recalibrate the temperature meter so it can never go this low again.

        It does not matter from a global perspective because it will get homegenised out of existence; like all other temperature records that do not match the models.

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        making things up to suit a narrative.

        100s of hits for this for the last week

        site:abc.net.au cold weather

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          robert rosicka

          Any of them mention “Because of climate change” or “because of dangerous globull warming” or “climate emergency” , not sure I’ve seen many if any “unprecedented” either .
          If it had have been a day in summer that was 3rd hottest evah we would have been bombarded with all the usual warnings .

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        Graeme No.3

        Switch to Duck, Duck Go as your browser. It doesn’t tell Google what you are looking for so they don’t get any revenue from advertisers. Alternately, make a series of weird information queries to lead them astray but who would do that?
        And, to add insult, it uses the Google database but avoids their biases.

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          sophocles

          Ben Davidson of Suspicious Observers fame, in/for his S0 News Aug.8.2020, is expressing some anger at Face Book, for censoring him. (See Suspicious Observers You Tube channel for Space Weather News August 8, 2020.

          I’ve had no desire to ever sign up to Suckerberg and Co, my reasons being just a little paranoid. My paranoia seemed amply justified quite a few years later as employers started demanding employees FB links as a condition of employment. I always left that blank. But I never in even my most fervent dreams thought this would happen. But it has. I’ll never sign up Suckerberg’s Empire now or ever. It won’t happen now. I’ll remain happily FBF (= Face Book Free) and free of everything else Suckerberg owns/operates/recommends/offers for as long as I can.

          When I can’t avoid it, it’s time to leave the Internet …

          Support Ben and spread the news. Hit back at Suckerberg Corp if you want to. If you do, make it as hard as you can.

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            Kalm Keith

            My great grandfather joined farcebook last year.
            He lets me use his setup and I don’t have my name and details anywhere. There has to be an email, of course, and he uses one of my spares.

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    dinn, rob

    then after that
    2-7-2017   Humans emit more than 250 billion tonnes of chemical substances a year in a toxic avalanche that is harming people and life everywhere on the planet.  ”Earth, and all life on it, are being saturated with man-made chemicals in an event unlike anything in the planet’s entire history,” says Julian Cribb, author of ‘Surviving the 21st Century’ (Springer International 2017).  ”Every moment of our lives we are exposed to thousands of these substances. They enter our bodies with each breath, meal or drink we take, the clothes and cosmetics we wear, the things we encounter every day in our homes, workplaces and travel.  Mr Cribb says that the poisoning of the planet through man-made chemical emissions is probably the largest human impact – and the one that is least understood or regulated.  https://phys.org/news/2017-02-scientists-categorize-earth-toxic-planet.html
    …………………..
      USA, Brazil and India use tremendous amounts of chemical poisons, and the inhabitants’ immune systems suffer greatly.  Hence there is much less resistance to a virus pandemic.  -r
    ……………………………………………….
      In the U.S. however industry dug in, seeking not only to discredit the research but to cast pesticide companies as a solution to the problem. Lobbying documents and emails, many of which were obtained through open records requests, show a sophisticated effort over the last decade by the pesticide industry to obstruct any effort to restrict the use of neonicotinoids.  Bayer and Syngenta, the largest manufacturers of neonics, and Monsanto, one of the leading producers of seeds pretreated with neonics, cultivated ties with prominent academics, including vanEngelsdorp, and other scientists who had once called for a greater focus on the threat posed by pesticides….
      “Position the industry as an active promoter of bee health, and advance best management practices which emphasize bee safety,” noted an internal planning memo from CropLife America, the lobby group for the largest pesticide companies in America, including Bayer and Syngenta….The stunningly successful campaign has kept most neonic products in wide circulation in commercial agriculture as well as in home gardens. The result is a world awash in neonics — and massive profits for companies such as Syngenta and Bayer, which now counts Monsanto as a subsidiary.
      Millions of pounds of the chemical are applied to 140 commercial crops every year.  In the U.S. nearly all field-planted corn and two-thirds of soybean use neonic-coated seeds.   https://theintercept.com/2020/01/18/bees-insecticides-pesticides-neonicotinoids-bayer-monsanto-syngenta/
    https://balance10.blogspot.com/2020/08/people-as-guinea-pigs.html

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      John F. Hultquist

      For pre-chemical societies the average life span was about 45 plus or minus. Now it is about 75. Explain that.

      As soon as the wind drops I intend to spray Monsanto Roundup® on a plant on my property. It is quite pretty and very deadly; named Cicuta or water hemlock. Similar plant was used in a mixture to execute Socrates.

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      RickWill

      Who would have known that Climate Change intensifies global pandemics; not really a surprise because it intensifies all other bad things.

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      greggg

      Absolutely. 1000 billion green thumbs. Endocrine disruptors, carcinogens, microbiome killers, etc and the total effect is much much greater than the sum of the parts. Much more harmful to people with depleted detoxification pathways and inflammation than healthy people but taking a toll on everyone’s health.
      Life span has increased because of clean water, sanitation, diet, heating and cooling, and medical care which overall may extend peoples lives but causes much chronic illness. Also not being killed in wars as much.

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        Geoff Sherrington

        greggg,
        What on Earth is a “detoxification pathway”?
        Maybe you should study and understand modern medical science before you write about it. Otherwise you remain one of the chattering class. Geoff S

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          I’m guessing it refers to the enzymatic breakdown of toxins (or biochemicals that at some point in their cellular or circulatory location and in some level of concentration can be toxic) and the excretion or re-use of the breakdown products. Metabolic pathways go by many names including “detoxification”.

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    TdeF

    In Victoria, the very left Green government responsible for 17 deaths just today has passed a law on July 1st to charge any employer with criminal manslaughter in the case where someone in their charge dies as a result of criminal negligence.

    So when are they going to charge Premier Daniel Andrews with murder, up to 17 people a day. Because he refused to use the police or the army and decided to spend the money better on his friends? For other causes apparently, like pleasing other people and if the people of Victoria are being now patrolled by the police instead of the hotels, that’s their fault.

    The Age and others are already trying to dilute the blame to individuals in departments but it was the decision from the top to not use the police and not use the army to create a safe way of quarantining which caused the problem. And who quarantines anyone with a lethal disease in the central shopping area of the second largest city of Australia? Was it cheaper? Why not in the country? All the old quarantine centres were and are a long way from town. Who decided to house them in the city? So they could go shopping, as they did.

    Now the Victoria Police charged and convicted Cardinal Pell without any evidence whatsoever, investigated him a year before any complaint was received and in fact trawled for complaints. The Victorian judges convicted him without evidence with the complainant only on video, because it was too stressful apparently.

    This state of Victoria has been utterly wrecked by Daniel Andrew’s uncaring self serving and total incompetence and criminal neglect. Climate Change did not kill Victorians with bushfires. Neglect did. And prosecution and fining of anyone who tried to make the place safer. And banning cattle in the high country. All to please his friends. Now it has gone too far. With great power comes great responsibility. This totally unqualified incompetent needs to be made responsible.

    And the Victoria police who are having to clean up his mess by enforcing lockdown on every household and shutdown of every business would not be too pleased at cleaning up his mess. A declared total disaster which should never have happened. And everyone knows it.

    If any employer needed to be tried for the deaths now of hundred’s of people, it is Daniel Andrews. And he says he is solely responsible, so we have admitted guilt.

    Action please.

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      TdeF

      The law? Victoria’s new workplace manslaughter offences.

      Bushfires and Corona virus. The duty of care has been breached totally and multiple times over a long period. 17 deaths just today. Utterly avoidable. And the critical decisions are made at the top by the one person with the authority, Premier Daniel Andrews, someone who has no qualifications at all in behaving responsibility and needs to account for his total failure in the duty of care to hundreds of people who will die or be badly injured.

      As the biggest employer in the State of Victoria by far, he needs to be accountable to our criminal courts under his own laws making employers responsible. He needs to be charged with hundreds of counts of manslaughter, including the bushfires.

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        TdeF

        And the Cedar meats fiasco during Ramadan where someone decided the public did not need to know. It was discovered by accident weeks later by a nurse who three times treated a man who lost his finger. Without any knowledge that Wuhan Flu had been traced weeks before to a worker at the abattoir. This 60 year old nurse also contracted the virus but it went to the press. And it turned out that not only did they know about the abattoir a month before, the owner had given $14,000 to the Labor party. So even then the name of the company was kept a secret. And they doubled their staff. And of course the worker could not possibly have contracted it at work or given it to his friends, so nothing was done.

        Now we want answers. Was a favor called in?

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          TdeF

          And this should be a statutory police matter, under the law. Hundreds of cases of manslaughter caused by incompetence and failure to provide the overriding duty of care to employees and charges, the whole of Victoria in this case.

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            Analitik

            The first sign that there was something odd going on was the additional week’s delay in school restarting for Victoria vs other states in May. I reckon Chairman Dan was hoping the Cedar Meats outbreak would be quietly contained and the public left none the wiser.

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      TdeF

      And the bushfires. Only five died this time but it included two Victorian Government employees. The low toll was also partly thanks to Federal intervention when they sent in the Navy to rescue people from the beach.

      This has been explained as ‘Climate Change’ due to an alleged massive increase in temperature when in fact Royal Commissions have found no such result. And we in Victoria have had years of cool summers in the affected areas.

      The real failure of the Victorian government under Daniel Andrews was to implement only a fraction of the burn back mandated by numerous Royal Commissions. It is culpable homicide, actively creating the conditions. Plus the active pursuit with the full force of law of anyone who even tried to reduce the fuel load or pick up sticks in the forest, is also culpable.

      For too long giant employers like Daniel Andrews have ducked their duty of care. Now he must be charged with many counts of manslaughter, under his own laws meant to punish negligent and irresponsible employers like himself. This is entirely Daniel’s idea too.

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        Dennis

        Dodgy Dan refused to release State Forest land management records after the 2019/20 bushfires.

        The inquiry has recommended grazing of animals, when will VicGov lift the ban on Snowy Mountains high country grazing and culling of Brumbies?

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          TdeF

          He should resign immediately. Along with his ministers. There has never been a tragedy on this scale in the history of the state! The double talk, ducking, sub judice claims and the rest are typical. They should all resign. This is now a massive criminal not civil matter, under their own laws. The police must act.

          And put a responsible professional team in charge. Who is to say that we are better off this time if he is not held accountable?

          Forget the Ruby Princess. Victoria is the Costa Concordia. Utterly unnecessary and a direct result of irresponsibility.

          And the people of Victoria are locked in their homes. And the businesses are shut. And we could run out of food. All totally and utterly due to now criminal negligence. It has been six months of hardship, no work, no business. All due to the decisions of Daniel Andrews.

          He should understand the new workplace law. He wrote it.

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            OriginalSteve

            What are the odds of driving people off the land via uncontrolled bushfires, then locking down the whole state thus destroying the middle class via eternal business shutdown, as per the dream of every card carrying communist?

            When are Victorians going to grow a pair and have someone clearly not suited to the role , legally removed from power?

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              TdeF

              Like Bill Shorten, the route to power is not through having a job, but climbing the slippery pole inside the Labor party. Most people have had a job with real responsibility. Not Shorten or Andrews. This is the new species of professional Union sponsored politician who have never had to have a job with any responsibility for the welfare of anyone outside the union. And they spend their time and our money buying votes and favors so they can keep their high paid jobs.

              The Labor party ought to insist that being a member of a Union has to mean more than filling out a form. They actually have to do some work and get some experience in the job. And we have ministers who are equally unqualified. Jenny Mikakos with Arts and Law degrees is “Minister for Health, Minister for Ambulance Services, Minister for the Coordination of Health and Human Services COVID-19″ without any idea of what to do in the biggest health crisis since the Spanish Flu but with a PhD in avoiding questions or responsibility.

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            OriginalSteve

            https://governor.vic.gov.au/victorias-governor/governors-role

            “Dissolving the Legislative Assembly

            “The terms of the Legislative Assembly and Legislative Council normally expire automatically after four years. The Governor’s reserve power to dissolve the Legislative Assembly within that period can only be exercised in the following exceptional circumstances:

            “when the Legislative Assembly passes a motion of ‘No Confidence’ in the Premier and Ministers, or
            when the Premier has advised the Governor that the dispute resolution process provided for in the Constitution has failed to resolve a deadlock between the two Houses of Parliament on a particular Bill.

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      RickWill

      It is emerging that the hotel quarantine mess is the product of a woke government and its employment inclusion policy rather than its links to to the AWU. There were some interesting comments from the Federal Treasurer yesterday:

      Federal Treasurer Josh Frydenberg says it is up to the Victorian government to explain how and why the hotel quarantine program broke down following evidence emerging that the selection of private security guards was partly driven by an attempt to provide jobs under “social inclusion” policies.

      https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/treasurer-ramps-up-attack-on-victorian-hotel-quarantine-amid-social-inclusion-revelations-20200808-p55jvd.html

      It appears Australia’s highest paid Premier is falling out favour with politicians Australia wide. He is proving to be a sad joke as a leader; constantly apologising for the restrictions but never apologising for his own errors. Always claiming the police do not like fining people for breaking the law when that is exactly what they are paid to do; uncover law breakers and correct their irresponsible behaviour.

      There is no restriction on movement in the state. Anyone can claim to be a drug addict in need of a lawful fix 24/7. However it appears that BLM less now because you can no longer claim a march for that cause as a suitable reason to break the law.

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        TdeF

        Sad joke doesn’t cut it. There is now a law about costing lives through incompetence, negligence, intransigence. It will be for a criminal court to decide. That’s the law in Victoria, Daniel Andrews Social Justice law. A law to make the people at the top responsible for their actions. And as a criminal matter, the statute of limitations does not apply. So the bushfire deaths count as well.

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        TdeF

        As for the BLM march. He did nothing to stop that. He could have stopped it. Incompetence is not an excuse. Wilful negligence is what his new Act is all about.

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          Serp

          Fear not TdeF it will be sheeted home to the Chief Medical Officer and the premier will personally grease the skids.

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      Graham Richards

      I believe he wouldn’t even give those victims the chance of surviving by not allowing Hydroxychloroquin to be allowed!!

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        OriginalSteve

        It might make a good class action suit against the govt.

        Using the new industrial laws just passed in Victoria, who is the “boss” in this case, and if people have died in questionable circumstance by not allowing all reasonable actions ( i.e. HCQ/drugs ) to be used to avoid fatality, then is it a case of whats good for the goose….?

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    Rowjay

    Back in 2017, the increasing electricity prices were primarily blamed on overspending on poles and wires

    “The main reason customers’ electricity bills have gone up is due to higher network costs, a fact which is not widely recognised. To a lesser extent, increasing green costs and retailer costs also contributed,”

    Fast forward to 2019, and it seems that there has been a bit of a problem connecting all these solar and wind generators spread out through the countryside where the power lines aren’t up to the job of delivering to the grid – in fact the flow of power is being reversed.

    “The issue also underlines the need for efficient investment in new poles and wires to relieve the strain on the existing network, which is rapidly becoming congested. This remains one of the highest priorities for our industry,”

    Move on to 2020 with uncontrolled wind and solar development in the West Murray Region, and:

    - increased risk of uncontrolled oscillations and voltage issues should a major transmission link fail.
    - curtailment slashed tens of millions of dollars from the revenue of the five solar farms
    - AEMO halted the connection process for around two dozen different projects
    - AEMO has warned that it will only connect “as many as that can be connected securely”
    - new capacity in the West Murray region will also depend on finding a solution to the “system strength” issues

    followed by:

    AEMO previously warning that over the long term capacity issues were only likely to be solved with new transmission capacity

    So the solution is more spending on poles and wires. Will that reduce our power costs?

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      Analitik

      This has been a long time paradox in the renewables lobbying for far earlier than 2019.

      They expect a copper plate network capable of transmitting all power generated to any point in the country so that the wind that is always blowing “somewhere” will generate electricity that is usable, thus rendering baseline power requirements through thermal generators as a “myth”. And then they launch into the waste of electrical engineers “gold plating” the transmission network through over-investment in “poles and wires” since they see residential solar as providing all the power needed.

      I guess some twisted logic could be made of this by stating that the whole country should be heavily interconnected and local network capacity should be pared down but then where does that leave people wanting to charge their electric cars? All nonsense but try explaining that to the mathematically illiterate lefties.

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    Peter Fitzroy

    The Australian is reporting that Great Britain has reached herd Immunity
    The Lancet is also reporting a drop in cases.
    Worldmeters.info tells a different story

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    Stanley

    “NASA’s Office of Diversity and Equal Opportunity or ODEO is currently on the works in identifying old celestial body names that prove to be racist or insensitive in its nature and context. These unofficial names and nicknames that are proving to be harmful will be replaced with neutral names that will not endanger or anger certain groups or individuals.

    This effort by the space company is their way of moving past the racist and discriminating happenings that transcended in the country and the world. NASA is aiming to promote diversity, equity, and inclusion amongst their institution and hopefully, in the world and those out of this world.

    The company aims to replace celestial bodies such as planets, galaxies, and nebulae with their unofficial names or nicknames as scientists and experts in the academe aim to identify and address discrimination and inequality in their field and industry.” FFS!

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      PeterS

      So are they going to ban the terms “black holes”, “white holes”, “black body radiation”, “dark matter” and the like? If they do it proves they have lost the plot. I suppose next they will ban the use of “Schrödinger’s cat” in case cats are offended.

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        RickWill

        dark matter matters

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          PeterS

          Actually I don’t it exists, but that’s another story.

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          PeterS

          I meant to say, actually I don’t believe it exists but that’s another story.

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            el gordo

            Just because you cannot see dark matter is no indication that its not there. For example, Planet X is the size of Neptune and sits on the edge of our solar system, but we cannot see it because in reality its a small black hole.

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              Analitik

              Really? And you have cases of the gravitational lensing to prove this?

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                el gordo

                ‘OGLE has reported something strange. Six times, it has spotted very brief microlensing events, less than 0.3 days long, suggestive of very fast-moving objects between 0.5 Earth masses and 20 Earth masses zipping past stars. This isn’t how planets look to OGLE, Unwin said, and there’s good reason to suspect that the six objects might be primordial black holes.’

                Live Science

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            el gordo

            What I meant to say is that god in his infinite wisdom left behind a small black hole knowing that when humans reached a certain degree of civilisation they would see it. Obviously this is theoretical, the black hole is a key to unlocking the universe and overcoming the tyranny of distance.

            We know its there because of the ‘clustering’ that is happening, so the new satellite should give us a clearer picture of this force.

            The other theory going the rounds is that its an invisible mother ship the size of Neptune.

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            sophocles

            What do you think all that non-luminous dust is?

            It’s matter and it’s dark.

            Just look up at Sagittarius any moonless night and you’ll see millions of cubic light years of it. There’s so much of it you can’t even see the Center of the Galaxy.

            (Those dust clouds are also one of the reasons planet Earth is able to support life.)

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              el gordo

              I’m glad you said one of the reasons, its all down to a large moon.

              ‘Earth has a large amount of water and a relatively large moon, which stabilizes Earth’s axis. Both are essential for life to develop on our planet. Scientists have now been able to show that water came to Earth with the formation of the moon.’

              Science Daily

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        bobl

        I wondered if the moon has to change it’s name because it might offend the members of the Unification Church of the USA (moonies). Can’t use Luna because that might offend people with mental health issues….

        Sigh, the world has gone mad, hopefully after Trump is reelected in Novenber the nutcases might go quiet for a while.

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        bobl

        I wondered if the moon has to change it’s name because it might offend the members of the Unification Church of the USA (moonies). Can’t use Luna because that might offend people with mental health issues….

        Sigh, the world has gone mad, hopefully after Trump is reelected in November the nutcases might go quiet for a while.

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      Maybe you should look at the actual names they are proposing to change and make a judgement from that?

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    John of Cloverdale

    I came across these articles about the flu last year. Deadly indeed, but not given a daily scorecard like the COVID flu. Why were politicians and health bureaucrats missing in action last year when they should have put Australia into lockdown (sarc)?
    Australia on track for killer flu season

    Most deaths from the flu occur in people aged over 65, and are usually from complications such as pneumonia, heart attacks or stroke.
    Professor Booy said in a busy year, there were a number of people who would be expected to get the flu and die from it.
    “This year (2019), we expect the flu to kill at least 4,000 people which is the same number as deaths from suicide and the road toll combined,” he said.
    Professor Booy said most years, 12 Australian children died from the flu.
    “If we had a high rate of immunity in kids, it would also stop the spread of the flu to susceptible adults,” he said.

    “Influenza experts say Australia is experiencing a “moderately bad” flu season that has likely reached its peak already after starting early this year.”
    Updated 11/07/2019

    REPORTED CASES OF LABORATORY-CONFIRMED FLU AND ASSOCIATED DEATHS SO FAR IN 2019

    * 135,952 cases nationally
    * 298 deaths
    Source: Department of Health (federal)
    LATEST AVAILABLE STATE-BY-STATE DATA**
    * SA – 19,964 cases, 82 deaths
    * NSW – about 43,000 cases, 70 deaths
    * VIC – 25,969 cases, 50 deaths
    * WA – 17,640 cases, 48 deaths
    * QLD – 23,947 cases, 38 deaths
    * ACT – 1595 cases, fewer than 5 deaths
    * NT – 1079 cases, 4 deaths
    * TAS – 1390 cases, 1 death

    And I leave the last word from Professor Booy and the Medical Republic website on this year’s influenza situation, dated 28 July 2020:

    There has not been one recorded death from influenza in Australia since May, suggesting hundreds of lives may have been saved by measures taken to halt the pandemic.
    ………………
    Around 1000 people died in Australia last year (2019), with cases rising rapidly from May, according to Department of Health figures obtained by The Medical Republic.

    Flu deaths flatline thanks to COVID

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      TdeF

      The H1N1 virus, the ‘flu’ is an echo of the original Spanish Flu which killed 37million and perhaps 100 million.

      It is time in the 21st century that we stop these flus and all viral contagions at the airport and cruise terminals. We are an island.
      Otherwise we get the latest strain from winter in Europe, as is self evident that no one has died in Australia since May. Although Victoria may yet change that.

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        Another Ian

        Years ago at an international conference I heard them described as a “grand international collection of viri”

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      Robber

      Hundreds of Australian flu deaths have been avoided this year because of the lockdown measures used to prevent the spread of COVID-19, experts say.
      Key points:
      Australia has not recorded any flu deaths since April, with only 36 deaths recorded this year compared to 430 in the same period last year.
      Experts say school closures, physical distancing, hand hygiene and border closures all played a part in reducing the number of flu cases.
      There was also an uptick in influenza vaccinations this year, with 2 million more doses being administered.
      In total, from January to the end of June 2019, more than 132,000 people were diagnosed with the flu.
      This year, almost 21,000 people were diagnosed during the same period.

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      MP

      Flu Plummeted Mid March looking at the UN flunet site, funny that.

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    TedM

    A couple of interesting interviews with regard to HCQ

    Dr Zev Zelenko
    https://youtu.be/0pHZM8l3x7E?t=2328

    Dr James Todaro
    https://youtu.be/jgu1MJ1RUes

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    Another Ian

    Was it CS Lewis who noted the merciless cruelty and overbearing nature of yer average do-gooder?
    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies.”
    So suck it up ,its for your own good…..

    Seems to me,the Plandemic has demonstrated the tyranny of nitwits all too clearly.
    For these “helpers” are so frightened of dying of the Wuhan Flu,or is it so frightened that we their hosts might die of the Wuhan Flu?,that they are willing to kill us.
    Enquiring minds want to know,perhaps their true horror is that they might have to get a real job?
    Either that or they are so frightened of living,that we must “cure them of life” before they will allow us to live.
    Four more years of this?
    Consult Dr Tam.

    Having enjoyed watching mass hysteria sweep this nation and having observed the actions of our paid helpers, I say Fire Them All.
    I do not need,desire nor deserve helpers like these.
    It used to be, one had to violate all social norms and commit real crimes before one was imprisoned.
    Now we are imprisoned because of a flu?
    We are too weak to survive.

    Also have you noticed,none of these busybodies has dared to admit,masks are useless.
    For if masks work,the emergency is over.”

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/index.php/2020/08/08/clown-karen-world/#comment-1344020

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      OriginalSteve

      I can sum it thus:

      A clever bit of propaganda….

      ” Daddy…what did you do in the (Great) war?”

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    Chad

    Electricity consumption ??
    A few days Ago , on the “Wind power failures “ thread.. Stephen P posted this link to a “Dashboard” for power usage in the UK.
    http://www.gridwatch.templar.co.uk/
    I was surprised to notice that the average Total Demand on the UK gris is only approx 25GW, with peaks only in the 30-35GW range.
    This is not much greater , if any, than Australia ??
    Why is this so , when the UK population is more than double Australia’s and i am sure they have much more industrial activity and electrified transport systems than Au ! Not to mention the cold weather !
    Any thoughts ?

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      RickWill

      UK lost its last aluminium smelter in 2009. UK produced 8Mt of steel in 2019. UK mined 4Mt of coal in 2016.

      To put this in perspective. China produces about 35Mt of aluminium a year, 808Mt of steel and mined 1829Mt of coal in 2018.

      UK is fundamentally a financial services economy; lots of economic and law graduates. It is only this year, following Brexit, that New York has overtaken London as the global financial capital.

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        yarpos

        “….that New York has overtaken London as the global financial capital.”

        The way NYC is trending I cant help think that may change soon also

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        Chad

        RickWill
        August 9, 2020 at 6:36 pm ·

        UK is fundamentally a financial services economy; lots of economic and law graduates. this

        Rick, so you are suggesting the UK has LESS industrial consumers than Au ?
        OK, but Cammercial and domestic demand are still the largest consumers, and that is dictated by population size. !
        All those buildings in the Cities have to be heated/cooled somehow.
        Remember how that one localised outage last year, cut supply to over 5 million UK consumers

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    AndyG55

    More on the disgusting treatment of people and the HORRENDOUS POLLUTION due to the anti- environmental, renewable energy/EV manufacturing scam.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/08/08/why-dont-these-lives-matter/

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      yarpos

      out of sight out of mind, just a bit of remote collateral damage , never mind that, feel the virtue

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      Kalm Keith

      An extraordinary quantitative assessment of the “Electric, Clean Dream”.

      Engineers know and understand this stuff but the public/voters have no way of sorting this detail out.

      KK

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        Rowjay

        I’m starting to lose my respect for new millennium engineers – they must like a complicated life.

        Last millennium, the east coast electricity grid was designed around:
        - using a high energy-dense source of fuel (coal or gas) that could reliably supply power when needed,
        - adding a 25% overcapacity to cover for breakdowns or unexpected usage spikes,
        - building the power stations as close to the main population centres to minimise transmission losses and
        - running lower capacity and cheaper infrastructure out to the regional areas.

        The new millennium engineers choose:
        - the lowest possible energy-dense means of generating power (wind and solar) which is unreliable and unlikely to cover peak load periods,
        - add another 100%+ overcapacity to cover periods of low generation due to weather variability,
        - have to cope with massive overcapacity during windy, sunny days,
        - locate the generation assets hundreds of kilometres away from the main population centres with attendant transmission losses,
        - have to upgrade regional transmission lines to cope with the distant generators, and
        - work out how to stabilise voltage and frequency variations.

        It’s hard to understand new millennium thinking. They must never have been taught the “KISS” principle.

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          RickWill

          It’s hard to understand new millennium thinking.

          Weather dependent electricity generation creates a massive employment opportunity for a wide range of engineers. An increasing proportion of economic activity is being directed at weather dependent generators and all the add ons that make them technically possible.

          Just about every discipline of engineering has benefited from jobs created by the massive effort needed to go from a few coal power generators located near coal mines to the massive geographical spread needed for ambient energy collection and conversion to feed an electrical transmission network.

          Most electricity bills are testament to the huge effort involved and Australia is getting about 3% of its energy from weather dependent sources. It may not be evident to many but moving down the path of weather dependent generation inevitably results in the entire economic activity being directed at creating the devices that extract the ambient energy and converts it to useful output. The cycle can only go on providing there is coal needed to produce the devices. The devices themselves, solar panels, wind generators, batteries etc can never produce more energy than that needed to produce them.

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            Rowjay

            My mother-in-law was living in a regional NSW town that had the honour of being amongst the first to have NBN rollout. All she wanted was a simple, reliable phone that worked like the one that she used for the last 50 years of her life, and worked even when the power to the house went out. She did not want or need the internet.
            No choice – the copper was gone. In its place, electronic devices/modems with about 2 hours battery backup. When she complained about the need for a reliable means of comunication, they gave her a mobile phone.
            A few months later, we tried to call her with no luck – tried again for a few more days and started to worry about her health. Called the local police who went around to check for us (many thanks) and she was fine. There had been a power event of some sort and the modems did not reset properly. Her mobile phone was flat – she never thought of having to charge it up because thats not what you do to phones – they just work when you need them.
            Is our power system going the same way?

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          Chad

          Rowjay
          August 9, 2020 at 11:00 pm · Reply
          I’m starting to lose my respect for new millennium engineers –

          You cannot blame the engineers for this mess,..the decisions are political.
          Engineers have developed solutions for using most of the known energy sources, Fossil (HELE, GAS, Biomass, etc) as well as various Nuclear options including Fusion just around the corner.
          But its the Politicians ..manipulated by financial interests….that make the key decisions.
          The fault is mainly ours for electing these decision makers.
          Maybe if we had a few strong minded , influential, engineers,.. like Brunel, Bradfield, Ford, Royce, Mitchell etc….things might go a different direction

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            bobl

            Yes Chad. I was going to say that. As an EE I can say that I get to decide nothing. If the government gives the option of building Solar, Wind or Tidal then you just do your best.

            The problem is actually that it’s the wrong people making those decisions. You CAN make solar work even as a baseload power source if you are prepared to waste enough land and are prepared to waste enough money to store electricity (Which is notoriously difficult to store).

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    David Maddison

    Dr Richard Bartlett from Texas talks about his treatment protocol for C-19 with yet another off label use for an old well established drug, budesonide.

    For academic interest only. There’s no chance this will be allowed or accepted in Nanny State Australia.

    Video: https://youtu.be/eDSDdwN2Xcg

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    David Maddison

    Good quote from the 1984 production of “1984″.

    Most non-Leftists here would be accused of the same thing.

    https://youtu.be/SgL2XvqhX-Y

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    PeterS

    Trump has deferred payroll taxes. I don’t think most people here in Australia realise how dire things are. They say unemployment here will reach 10% soon. Of course, that’s not the real figure. More like at least double that.

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      Analitik

      To put Peter’s comment in perspective, that would be like our Federal Government deferring income tax.

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    UK-Weather Lass

    The UK Government’s horrendously inadequate record with Covid-19 continues with news that track and trace work is not going to local authorities whose staff would actually not only know their locality but also know what they are doing. Instead the work is being outsourced among the Government’s favoured private companies e.g. Sercol and Sitel, whose history includes the earliest forms of call centres in England, which some have rightly suggested started a huge decline in customer services.

    Sercol and Sitel then further outsource this work on sub-contracts to just about anyone interested to get extra cash into their accounts, even, so it would appear, telephone based travel agents. Apparently after a few hours of online training you can be set loose upon a newly discovered Covid-19 victim to ascertain where they have been and who they with and tell them to self-isolate if they haven’t already done so. The Government gleefully rid themselves of responsibility at every opportunity and just do not want to admit that for many years local authorities actually did a fine job with track and trace of infectious disease. And we think this virus is something of a monster …

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    David Maddison

    It saddens me that if and when the truth comes out that there were possible effective treatments for C-19 that the government refused to allow to be tested or used, that it is unlikely that the guilty will be punished.

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    yarpos

    Really jumped a massive great white shark shark tonight

    Massive beat up of car incidents relating to BLM protests in the US. Show them on the rodas and highways, show them shooting each other as they attempt to shoot cars then still apologise for them and make out “right wing extemists ” and cars are the problem and want to redesign “spaces” . The spaces have been designed, hot tip stay of roads and freeways and you wont get run over.

    Next bit of genius, on distance learning at Unis, “there hasnt been time to design this properly” Seriously? Open University anyone? I got a post grad degree in 2000 via distance learning.

    Then we had the story from yet another leafy wealthy suburb about how they were coping with Covid and of course the required indigenous items. One on a ballon flight business somehwere up North, only taking indigenous people so far . I guess they must own the airspace above “country” which goes to follow being great astronomers and all.

    The most trusted news? yeah right

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    Peter Fitzroy

    Peabody Coal is facing a 2 billion dollar loss, and writes down future profits, and value of its mining operations
    Britain records its lowest coal consumption in 250 years

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      yarpos

      and other coal assets have gone gangbusters in recent times

      and coal fired power uses less coal because they are putting in more eficient coal and much larger plants and decomissioning other small low efficiency plants (of course you would parrot China closes hundreds of coal plants and leave out the first part)

      you can be selective as you like with one line factoids, they do not a big picture make.

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        Graeme No.3

        PETER F:
        The UK has those lunatic electricity policies that you advocate. Cheap, reliable coal has been punished with taxes and restrictions meaning that wind, solar(??) and diesel have been favoured, along with very expensive nuclear (if it is ever built). The cost of electricity has shot up and it is cheaper to use gas for heating, and even cheaper to burn wood – which leads to more particulate pollution in the air. Drax, their largest coal burning power station, has stopped using the coal from directly under their foundations and ships wood chips from 200 year old growth forests in the USA to burn** (resulting in 32-33% overall INCREASE in CO2 emissions).
        TRY https://www.carbonbrief.org/mapped-worlds-coal-power-plants for more accurate information.

        **Didn’t you once claim to be worried about the environment?

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          AndyG55

          “**Didn’t you once claim to be worried about the environment?”

          Peter “claims” lots of things.. none of which are true.

          He couldn’t give a stuff about the environment..

          The massive pollution from the manufacture of wind and solar and EVs doesn’t phase him one little bit, so long as its not near him..

          In fact, he worships this massive environmental damage and pollution as being “progressive”

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            el gordo

            ‘He couldn’t give a stuff about the environment..’

            That is not true, we all care about the environment, its just that we have different viewpoints on climate change and energy.

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            Analitik

            caring != understanding

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              el gordo

              Yeah, a misguided interpretation of what is happening to our environment.

              Peter only told us facts and everyone shouts him down, the pandemic has caused a downturn in coal consumption.

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                AndyG55

                No, he only told us a partial fact, trying to make something of it by baseless innuendo.

                No mention of the pandemic or the flooding in China or the substitution of coal by gas in the USA.

                So… just propaganda, as he states elsewhere….. deserved to be jumped on.

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                el gordo

                So you are suggesting he is deliberately baiting us?

                He is the best contrarian we have had in a long time, the gift that keeps on giving.

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      TdeF

      They can always sell it to China.

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      robert rosicka

      Peter the stat for Britain is meaningless , and as for Peabody weren’t they in trouble a couple of years ago ?
      Coal exports are still strong and coal fired power stations are still being built that’s all you need to worry about .
      And by the way there is a backlog of coal mines waiting approval in Queensland and probably NSW as well .

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      AndyG55

      Covid and the flooding disasters in China have had an effect, sure…..

      never the less………..

      https://www.smh.com.au/world/asia/china-s-demand-for-australian-coal-and-iron-ore-surges-despite-rising-animosity-20200714-p55bxh.html

      https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3095211/australia-becomes-chinas-top-source-coking-coal-stimulus

      “https://www.oilandgas360.com/australian-coal-exports-soar-germany-closes-last-coal-mine/

      Someone has to feed all those new coal fired power stations being built throughout Asia, India, the Mediterranean and Africa.. !

      So don’t fret, little-one, there will be PLENTY of extra CO2 for many decades into the future. :-)

      UK gets 50%+ from their electricity from GAS and nuclear plus all the imports of biomass from the USA and via interconnects from coal fire and nuclear powered countries.

      Wind still totally erratic, solar… LOL maybe sometimes, if there are any solar subsidy farms left standing

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      AndyG55

      Most of Peabody’s problems are from CHEAP GAS in the USA.

      Your petty misinformation will not work here.

      But its all you have, poor petel !

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    Graeme No.3

    I thought that readers might like a little literature.
    I doubt that the name of Leonard Wibberley will resonate with readers but you will recognise at least 1 of about 100 books he wrote — The Mouse that Roared. (not closely related to the film of the same name with Peter Sellers).

    In all he wrote 5 Mouse books before his death in 1985 and the last in the series was The Mouse on Wall Street from 1969. It opens with the USA trying to find a way to end the turmoil in Afghanistan, while at home university students riot about a lack of respect for various causes of no great import.
    The plot involves the Duchy of Grand Fenwick with a problem, an investment had suddenly become profitable and the Duchy was flooded with money. The decision led to the downfall of the government as it opposed handing out money to everyone. The new government, despite warnings, eliminated income tax and gave every citizen money, with the promise of more to come. The result was that everyone spent the money and went into debt for more. Inflation took off, and the cost of producing goods for export shot up, meaning they became unsaleable and the balance of payments became disastrous, with resulting unemployment (necessitating more expenditure).
    More money arrived in the next year and in desperation the (coalition) government decided to lose it, and what better place than on the stock market. A series of ‘hopeless’ purchases went badly wrong when their intentions were misunderstood as signalling ‘inside knowledge’, and instead of losing money, they gained much more. They decided to buy gold which in turn caused problems with the value of the USA dollar slumping. Eventually they converted the whole lot into dollar bills and secretly burned the lot. The Duchy was saved!

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    Jojodogfacedboy

    I’ll probably get myself arrested due to all the governments reliance on housing industry and the massive taxes they collect. As I would like to put an inquiry to the police of this massive fraud by the real estate industry to keep house prices forever increasing even with all these massive layoffs and closed businesses and empty office buildings
    The Real Estate Board in Canada is made up of Realtors and not at all independent in the housing market. They constantly come out with increased housing prices that has never fallen in 17 years says one realtor. Last week, they reported housing prices on average increased by almost 20% to over $950,000 for the average house. All our governments complain about the high cost of housing and yet encourage it through all kinds of government programs that they need money for.
    Even with this revenue drop, they are reluctant to slash any of the bloated government agencies and programs.

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      Another Ian

      Hmmm!

      I recall that, in USA, land was a better long term investment than blue chip shares.

      That lead to having two sets of books – a land one that showed steady appreciation and supported the extending overdraft on the, say, cattle book which occasionally showed a slight profit,

      Until about 1984-85 when land values went A over T.

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      Chad

      Jojodogfacedboy
      August 9, 2020 at 8:22 pm ·
      The Real Estate Board in Canada is made up of Realtors and not at all independent in the housing market. They constantly come out with increased housing prices that has never fallen in 17 years,

      Just how do you figure that “board” dictates the price of property ?
      It is not like buying a car, where manufacturers and dealers set a price point.
      Property price changes simply reflect what buyers are actually prepared to pay after negotiation with sellers.
      Unless you have a particularly phuked up , out of ballance, property market, the only thing setting property prices is “Suppy and Demand”.

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        Jojodogfacedboy

        Their is a vast array of games being played to encourage price wars from putting a property vastly below market for a price war to outright colluding with other realtors in listings strategies.
        One realtor teamed with a house buyer company to undercut bids and change these cheaper houses into rental duplexes. Imagine having a realtor tell you the higher bid could be from a scammer or they don’t seem to can afford your property to get you to take this lower bid.

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          Kalm Keith

          Sorry, I gave you a green on the assumption that you were talking about an aberration related to the CV19 situation.

          If it’s a long term view then I’d have to agree with Chad.

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          Chad

          Jojodogfacedboy
          August 11, 2020 at 7:52 am · …..
          One realtor teamed with a house buyer company to undercut bids and change these cheaper houses into rental duplexes. Imagine having a realtor tell you the higher bid could be from a scammer or they don’t seem to can afford your property to get you to take this lower bid

          Errr ? ….seems to me that situation would tend to push prices DOWN not up as you were initially arguing .?

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            Jojodogfacedboy

            You would think that should be lower pricing but these realtors use adjusted data…meaning they choose price increases is always going up and increase that accordingly across the board.

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            Jojodogfacedboy

            There is no independent agency, just the word of Realtors.

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    Another Ian

    “There aren’t enough batteries to electrify all cars — focus on trucks and buses instead”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/08/09/there-arent-enough-batteries-to-electrify-all-cars-focus-on-trucks-and-buses-instead/

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    Richard Ilfeld

    Mr. Trump has issued a flurry of executive orders.
    They are probably pretty dodgy and unlikely to pass constitutional muster, but they are
    directly responsive to critical issues we face that congress seem stalemated over.
    It is worth pointing out that most Democratic Governors are much less in comportment with the constitution
    with their various nanny state orders.
    We are truly suffering a fine madness.
    Our political arguments, always absurdly hyperbolic, are about to become completely untethered from reality.

    Expect the left to claim that Trump is out to destroy Social Security, second only to damaging children in their list of favored tropes.
    He is reducing a tax nominally used to fund this program, which in fact has been part of the general fund welfare system for years, the
    “trust fund” being neither trustworthy nor funded.
    They will claim he is bypassing congress by refusing to “negotiate in good faith”, which means giving in completely in the Demons dictionary of the left.

    But it’s gonna be a tough argument. ‘Trump is trying to help people, and we want him to stop so that we can do it.’ Not exactly a bumper sticker for the ages, is it.

    What the argument is actually turning on is a simple point; the left wants, as emergency relief, a slush fund large enough to bail out bankrupt cities and states, and
    especially public employee pension funds. The stress of Covid will force some jurisdictions to finally actually choose between current services and employees and retirees on
    gold plated defined benefit plans. For years the left has pretended these pension contracts are sacred and non-negotiable. But as some famous economist undoubtedly once said,
    if it is impossible to make a payment it will not be made.

    If a single jurisdiction is able to renegotiate the dam will likely break. Citizens will be aghast if the true value of these pensions make the headlines. The greed of those who govern us, when set against current needs and tax levels, is not a good look. The other choice is to dramatically reduce current government employment. This is, of course, also
    unthinkable.

    This slush fund for the cities and states is the non-negotiable sticking point in our impasse. If congress debates around affirming or improving the Presidential edicts, it will be hard to shoehorn this back in. And it is really hard to camping on honestly.

    Watch for the movie “100 euphemisms for The Government needs more money” coming soon.

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      Jojodogfacedboy

      Meanwhile, New York City Mayor is begging the Rich to move back and willing to do anything for them…
      https://www.zerohedge.com/political/andrew-cuomo-begs-rich-hedge-funders-fleeing-nyc-please-come-back

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      TdeF

      And Pelosi and Schumer will hit the roof. Bypassing them and their stalling on Coronavirus relief. This has been the continuing story of 2020. Stalling response to the virus intially. Stalling the articles of impeachment, for no reason at all. Stalling the first tranche of relief. Stalling this one. And Trump has bypassed them. It’ll be Pelosi hands on hips again, looking angry because Black Lives Matter and they matter and who is this Trump anyway. Damn these popular populists. What would the people know anyway? And you always wonder what McConnell thinks.

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        Jojodogfacedboy

        McConnell always looks like he would agree totally with Pelosi and Schumer if not being in the Republican party. Carrier politicians that stick together.

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    David Maddison

    Flu deaths are dramatically down although we now have C-19 deaths.

    Nevertheless, deaths due to respiratory infections, flu + C-19 are dramatically down so that is a good thing.

    Australia C-19 deaths to date: 295
    Australia flu deaths 2020 Jan-Jun: 36
    Australia flu deaths 2019 Jan-Jun: 430

    This is assuming C-19 deaths were correctly diagnosed but I suspect some or many were cases of people dying with C-19 rather than because of it, or totally misdiagnosed altogether. A bit like climate data. Genuine C-19 deaths may well be less.

    Flu reference: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-23/coronavirus-restrictions-cause-flu-cases-to-drop-australia/12480190

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      TdeF

      And the uncontrolled arrivals will have brought the flu with them as well. The brutal Victorian lockdown may deal with that as well, at least stall it until the spring and warmer weather.

      In the new world, viruses are caught at the airport, as used to be the case before this no care travel. With only the warning of the China controlled WHO to save us. Except that Tedros Adhonem is still saying the virus is not Chinese and that it may never be cured. At least he is no longer insisting it is not infectious and there is no pandemic. Why is he still in the job?

      The UN has collapsed into a vast money pit run by the world’s dictators because 3/4 of the members are military dictatorships. And socialist is what Totalitarians call themselves.

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    Another Ian

    “NPR fires weatherman for comparing Seattle riots to Germany in 1938 on his personal blog”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/08/09/npr-fires-weatherman-for-comparing-seattle-riots-to-germany-in-1938-on-his-personal-blog/

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    Travis T. Jones

    If only they had a UN carbon (sic) tax on cattle #761 …

    “The work involved digging up skeletons in an ancient cemetery in Osłonki, Poland, along with associated artifacts.
    The researchers then studied the bones, looking for nitrogen and carbon isotopes.
    In all, the team studied the remains of 30 people, all adults between the ages of 18 and 45.

    As a final step, the researchers also studied the bones of cattle found in the same area from the same time period.

    They found that some of the people had been buried with pendants, headbands and copper beads, a hint that they may have been from more privileged families.
    But that was not enough to provide evidence of a wealth gap.

    The team then noted that those same people who had been buried with nice trinkets also had a distinctive ratio of carbon isotopes in their bones, which was also observed in the cattle, suggesting that those people were eating the local cattle.

    Those people buried without such trinkets did not have the distinctive carbon isotopes ratios, suggesting that they did not eat the local cattle.

    The researchers also note that the carbon isotope ratio in the cattle suggests they grazed on open field grasses because it is the type of ratio typically seen with modern cattle with access to wide-open, sunlit fields, as opposed to cows who eat plants growing in partially tree-shaded areas.

    Taken together, the findings suggest that those people buried with trinkets who ate local beef likely belonged to land-owning families—families that had access to more of the good things in life than those people buried without trinkets, providing evidence of a wealth gap.”

    6,600-year-old gravesites in Poland suggest wealth gap existed earlier than thought

    https://phys.org/news/2020-08-year-old-gravesites-poland-wealth-gap.html

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    Geoff Sherrington

    Australian electricity costs.
    Here is a useful graph from the Australian Bureau of Statistics.
    It compares the overall consumer price index to the CPI for electricity.
    Spread it around. It highlights the disgrace of ideology of climate change forcing horrible engineering outcomes. Geoff S
    http://www.geoffstuff.com/cpielectricity.jpg

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    Another Ian

    Terry McCrann in The Australian on “The poison that is HCQ that didn’t kill Trump”.

    Headlines on Andrew Bolt’s blog, behind the Murdoch wall to me

    https://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt

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    AndyG55

    Went for a walk along the Merewether – Bar Beach foreshore yesterday

    (didn’t meet KK, as sometimes happens :-) )

    LOTS of people on the walk.. and I didn’t see a single mask :-)

    Common sense prevails !

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    Environment Skeptic

    Refreshing :)
    From:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXM6RMissmI

    The Insanity of Picking a Side – Authentic JP
    “51,940 views
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    “With politics, the idea of picking a side and then being against the other side, while believing that will somehow help the world has become normal. The problem is this practice has insanity, greed, power, and divisiveness at its roots. Gearing up for the election the “pick a side” mantra is being pressed into our brains more than ever. Maybe instead of picking a side, you can pick something else…”

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      Instead of picking a side you could go with the data. Who here did that for both climate science and virology…

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        most neither but you probably knew that.

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          AndyG55

          Really Gee-Aye !?

          You certainly haven’t shown any real empirical science to support so-called “human caused climate change”.

          You remain bereft, you have no actual empirical science to follow, but you “believe” anyway.

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    Serp

    Briefly today I revisited Twitter for the first time since signing up in April 2010 and was not surprised to learn that the premier has 232.9K followers which is roughly the same as Albo; it’s a consideration I had omitted from my wishful thinking that he’d be gone by the end of July. No, this bloke is going to continue sticking it to us and has now dragooned the hapless Mikakos into announcing a program to test in their homes people who never leave it –did I hear that right?

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    tom0mason

    Think that should make you question WHY?

    From https://www.sott.net/article/439511-EXPOSED-World-Bank-coronavirus-aid-comes-with-conditions-for-imposing-extreme-lockdown-reveals-Belarus-president

    Huge foreign loans are given to sovereign nations by the World Bank, IMF and the likes. But the conditions that come attached to these loans are seldom told by governments to their citizens. A recent case in Belarus has exposed the conditions laid by these agencies for loans being provided for COVID-19. The President of Belarus has exposed that the World Bank coronavirus aid comes with conditions for imposing extreme lockdown measures, to model their coronavirus response on that of Italy and even changes in the economic policies which he refused as being “unacceptable”.

    Additional conditions which do not apply to the financial part are unacceptable for Belarus, Belarus President Aleksandr Lukashenko said when speaking about external lending during a meeting to discuss support measures for the real economic sector on the part of the banking system, reported Belarusian Telegraph Agency, BelTA.

    Aleksandr Lukashenko asked the participants of the meeting how things were with the provision of foreign credit assistance to Belarus. “What are our partners’ requirements? It was announced that they can provide Belarus with $940 million in so-called rapid financing. How are things here?” the head of state inquired.

    At the same time, he stressed that additional conditions which do not apply to the financial part are unacceptable for the country.

    “We hear the demands, for example, to model our coronavirus response on that of Italy. I do not want to see the Italian situation to repeat in Belarus. We have our own country and our own situation,” the president said.

    According to the president, the World Bank has showed interest in Belarus’ coronavirus response practices.

    “It is ready to fund us ten times more than it offered initially as a token of commendation for our efficient fight against this virus. The World Bank has even asked the Healthcare Ministry to share the experience. Meanwhile, the IMF continues to demand from us quarantine measures, isolation, a curfew. This is nonsense. We will not dance to anyone’s tune,” said the president.

    IMO The international financial institutions look like they are coordinating a world reset on banking, finance, industry and food.

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    Orson

    New Zealand, New Covid Community Transmission Cluster, update
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    The Four person family cluster in South Auckland has yielded 13 more — 3 at place of work, 7 of their family members and a few unrelated from the place of work.

    The cold storage warehouse — a place for documents and goods benefiting from low temperature storage, which is also a favourable environment for viral transmission — is the place of employment for the index case. A home care point of contact is being investigated.
    — Ashley Bloomfield, Ministry of Health

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/08/covid-19-transmission-from-cool-store-goods-unlikely-dr-bloomfield.html

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    Orson

    Story: 50 year old Kiwi Doctor Warren Lee, working in Sydney in April, contracts Covid-19. After a “normal” fluish course, then the trouble started. New onset epilepsy, so he now cannot drive. Meds needed. And second, he now has a lengthy scar from Myocarditis, an injury to the heart muscle.
    Ouch. OUCH. And definitely not like the flu.

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2020/08/covid-19-kiwi-born-sydney-doctor-gives-stern-warning-after-contracting-coronavirus.html

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    Orson

    New Zealand’s Covid-19 elimination status — how to regain and protect it?

    Experts say studies support mandatory mask wearing in public spaces where heavy breathing may occur: gyms, choirs, churches, and dancing, for example. This strikes me as a sound suggestion.

    The PM is expected to update on the raised alert status in New Zealand at 5:30PM on Friday afternoon.
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/08/covid-19-how-new-zealand-could-eliminate-coronavirus-even-faster-experts.html

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    Orson

    In New Zealand, the source of the break in Covid-19 virus control is currently unknown. But could it have been a border control or quarantine control failure? Yes. Official inquires are being demanded.

    Breaking News: Coronavirus: Nearly two-thirds of Auckland’s COVID-19 border, isolation staff had never been tested a week ago

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2020/08/nearly-two-thirds-of-nz-s-covid-19-border-isolation-staff-had-never-been-tested-a-week-ago.html

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    Orson

    Our fine host here, Joanne, advocates the goal of Covid-19 elimination. Australia is learning how easy it is to lose this status. But how hard is it to keep it?

    WA and other states and nations are wrestling with the challenge, too. And after 102 days, New Zealand lost it, too.

    For others in the world curious about the reaction to the hope New Zealand has held out, before the new cluster of community transmission was identified, here’s a lengthy roundup:

    https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/pretty-gutted-world-reacts-to-new-zealands-new-coronavirus-lockdown/news-story/031e14dd6db846a0c122fec15e73843e

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    Orson

    Again, a quarantine breech is suspected to be the source of the new cluster, Details from the New Zealand Herald. Confirmation expected soon; text and 1:39 video
    https://www.news.com.au/world/pacific/coronavirus-new-zealand-cluster-linked-to-quarantine-breach-winston-peters-claims/news-story/0c6e8c4a297ab5b96e7161c311f018a8

    My suspicions are that the PM on Friday will announce some plan or a timeline slated to narrow down the breech and establish confidence that breech can be plugged and the threat level lowered again.

    Problem-solution time. And performance demanded, given that there is an election is only weeks away.

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