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Tuednesday Open Thread

OK. Missed Tuesday in half the world.

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    Andrew McRae

    And a very good mornernoon to you too.

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    Don B

    Valentina Zharkova predicts a Grand Solar Minimum from 2020-2053 leading to cooler global temperatures.

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/23328940.2020.1796243

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    Lance

    Israel testing Covid Gargle test. Results in 1 second. 95% accuracy

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/in-trial-israeli-gargle-test-gives-covid-results-in-1-second-at-95-accuracy/

    Cost: USD $0.25/test, machine: USD $200

    Available commercially, 12/2020.

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    Lance

    Thomas Borody, from the Centre for Digestive Diseases in Sydney, Australia, about Ivermectin-based therapies for COVID-19.

    Ivermectin Covid cure, shows 100% effectiveness.

    http://covexit.com/we-know-its-curable-its-easier-than-treating-the-flu-professor-thomas-borody/

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    Jojodogfacedboy

    I so enjoy seeing quality in workmanship.
    Some of the best things are trying to figure out how the person/persons accomplished the item.
    My neighbor, an old Greek cabinet maker, once teared up at a project I was creating with wood as I made a hanging swing set and made each side look like a tree with roots and branches holding the overhang out of square lumber to look like a natural tree.
    After my wife passed, a carpenter I knew for years ask for it for his young family.
    I said sure and gave it to them being glad some other family could enjoy it.
    He did Christmas pictures with his family on it for Christmas Cards.
    Gave me a warm fuzzy to pass it on to be enjoyed.

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    David Wojick

    Time to Stand UP! Against Academic Suppression

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/08/18/clintel-issues-great-charter-of-universities-for-research-freedom/

    By David Wojick

    The climate change debate might be one of the worst cases of academic suppression in history.

    We see these days a lot of complaints about threats to academic freedom, but very little action. So it makes a lot of sense that CLINTEL has taken a positive step forward.

    CLINTEL has issued the Magna Carta Universitatum 2020. This short document is basically an aspirational code of conduct for freedom of inquiry and speech at universities.

    There is some impressive history here. The first Magna Carta Universitatum was issued in 1988 and to date at least 889 universities have signed on to it. CLINTEL notes that it is building directly on this precedent, to fit “the special challenges of today”. It is spot on that CLINTEL’s MCU 2020 is primarily directed to the present university leadership.

    The original Magna Carta was in fact the Magna Carta Libertatum or Great Charter of Freedoms. It dates from 1215, showing that protecting freedoms is far from new.

    The scope of CLINTEL’s Magna Carta is twofold. The main body is focused on five principles, each of which is stated and then discussed. This content is general in nature, applying to all sciences. But for each principle there is also given a climate science example, indicating that political authority and economic power today are suffocating climate science.

    CLINTEL argues in its preamble that universities have become a primary source of prosperity in their region. The higher the scientific level realized, the larger the contribution to prosperity. Universities, therefore, should promote excellence at all times. This means that they should not settle for followership, but aim at leadership in their scientific expertise. And leadership in research and teaching does not follow political and commercial pressure.

    Here are the five principles of Magna Carta Universitatum 2020:

    1. Sound scientific research is open-minded and is characterized by a wide variety of viewpoints without dogmas and prejudices

    Professors that criticize the Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) hypothesis are excommunicated. Students and speakers are shouted down.

    2. The complexity of multi-factor, multi-scale systems demands the input from a wide range of scientific fields and disciplines

    Knowledge areas that reveal the natural variability of the earth’s climate are ignored.

    3. Improved measurement systems are decisive for scientific progress; sound science requires a balance in theoretical and empirical sciences

    In climate science model-makers are running the show, while progress urgently needs more and better observations.

    4. Leaders of universities should protect their scientists from political ideologies; separation of science and politics is a great good

    The political wish list of the Paris Climate Accord in 2015 has set the climate science agenda for decades.

    5. Leaders of universities have a moral responsibility to warn society that conclusions from questionable scientific models must be distrusted

    The climate science community ought to be more honest to the public about the severe limitations of their theoretical models.

    The Great Charter ends with this imperative recommendation:

    “Finally, academic leaders should bear in mind that universities ought to be centers of new ideas and delivery rooms of new talent. This requires an inspiring research and teaching environment, where new concepts are welcomed and ample room for experimentation is provided. The filtering out of bad ideas should be done by exposure, argument and observation and not by trying to silence creative minds.“

    (There are document links in the WUWT article, that did not paste here. David)

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      Jojodogfacedboy

      I have been fighting these old farts for decades now.
      They have governments ears as experts even though they are incorrect.
      From NASA, to institutions and Universities, I get totally ignored as they have enclosed themselves to anyone that may show they have some incorrect theories or data.

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      Peter C

      Thanks David for keeping the activities of CLINTEL (Climate Intelligence) visible on this blog and in other places.
      When I first heard about CLINTEL, I did not know what would become of them or their Climate Declaration (There is No Climate Emergency).
      Since then the number of scientists and professionals who have signed the Climate Declaration has grown to over 1000, including 11 from Australia and 116 from the USA. I am a bit surprised that the number is not more. There are a few notable absences. As they say; “It is not the number of experts but the quality of arguments that counts”.
      However they are keeping up pressure on our institutions, including Universities to act responsibly.

      The whole of the Magna Carta universtitum (The Great Charter for Universities) is here. It is not very long so I recommend reading it in full.
      https://clintel.org/magna-carta-universitatum-2020/

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      OriginalSteve

      Speaking of supression…..

      This is what I predicted…and this is why the globalists only want a vaccine “solution” to maintain a power stranglehold over citizens.

      Note the fact you would get a” vaccination passport” to prove you are worthy of a normal life.

      No jab = Untermunchen….

      Democracy is gone if this happens…..but that is the idea….covid isnt about the disease, its about control.

      https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-20/coronavirus-vaccine-mandatory-rules-anti-vaxxers/12575138

      “But it’s not the only option available — there could be something like an “immunity passport”, giving those who have been vaccinated more freedoms as restrictions ease.

      “There would be a “strong public view” that those who refuse a vaccination need “some sort of incentive”, Deputy Chief Medical Officer Nick Coatsworth said yesterday.

      “”Looking at specific things like not being able to go into restaurants, not being able to travel internationally, not being able to catch public transport or more broadly having what in the olden days would have been a yellow fever vaccination certificate, these are clearly policy decisions that will be discussed,” he said.

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      Dennis

      “The only way solar can compete with natural gas is when solar is subsidised”.

      Read, and wind turbines, and other wrongly named “renewables”.

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    Greg Cavanagh

    Must be my turn for a rant today.

    I was just in the loo, and next door was some cyclist having a shower, and it occurred to me; Imagine if everyone had to ride their bike to work, and everyone had to line up to have a shower before starting work. How much water do you think we’d go through in a day?

    Talk about unintended consequences. That one act right there would kill off the idea as water shortages hit all major cities. Not including the reticulation network trying to supply that water volume every morning.

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      Yonniestone

      Well spotted, gives a whole new aspect to the water cycle………… :(

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      sophocles

      Good observation, Greg.

      That deserves to be added to the (ever-growing) list of Unforeseen Consequences and be used against the Greenery.

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      Chad

      Cycling and walking to work was suggested as a part solution to AGW on the ABC’s latest “Saving the Planet” episode last night.
      ( yes i subjected myself to it, using the logic of “know your opponent” !)
      All the usual old lines of ..”use solar” .. “turn down the heating/AC”,.. “get an electric car”, ..”take the bus”, “plant a tree”,… etc.
      All based on the premis of CO2 being the root of all evil , and Man being responsible for the huge rise in it !.
      It is comforting to know that the “green” thinking is not changed much in the past 10 years .

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        David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

        You’re a braver man than I, Chad. I can only just watch the news, but even that’s getting increasingly difficult.
        Cheers
        Dave B

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      DonS

      Ha Greg, I don’t think bathing is high on the to do list for most greens/hippies. Not the ones I’ve stood next to in the shops anyway :)

      Under their rule we will be limited to 1 liter of fashionably bottled mineral water per day so showering will not be an option.

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      Lucky

      Greg C – water shortages.
      Water supply most places is from government owned monopoly.
      Monopoly creates shortages.

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    robert rosicka

    Seen this you tube vid yesterday it looks like an Australian cop and possibly WA , what’s concerning is what he is questioning a member of the public for .
    Now I will admit the citizen in this vid may not have both oars in the water but since when has our national sport of critiquing pollies become a police issue ?

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?fbclid=IwAR3T7-CaIgxDM9BHKq0Qtfs–f2qt9Ntvkn7ALCNdH1r6f2JH6hFEqkc3cw&feature=youtu.be&v=vwj3w_0j9H0

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      Yonniestone

      Not sure about this one, looking through the comments people seem to think its in NZ but also the cop is wearing a T-shirt and jeans or maybe he’s a detective or liason officer? I know UK police have those powers but not here.

      I know someone in WA that has had similar Police harassment/questioning but knows their rights, personally I don’t talk to police outside of general niceties.

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        beowulf

        They both have fairly obvious Kiwi accents = NZ (unless they were Kiwis living in WA). The reference to the “communist, treasonous government” would also point towards Adern rather than the WA or Oz governments, although some would have reservations on that observation. The police insignia is the NZ police insignia = this is definitely in NZ not WA.

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          Greg in NZ

          And by the raucous sound the cicadas were making in the background it was high summer, ie. Jan/Feb/Mar, so before Crockdown 2020 officially kicked in. Just this week another ‘young male’ was outed for posting ‘improper thoughts’ on a site which then went public.

          At least we know Herr Jaspinda & Dr Bloomfield won’t tell porkies – because they told us so (cough! cough!).

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            sophocles

            I haven’t heard cicadas which sound like the NZ ones during the summer I spent in Melbourne years ago.
            Those are the NZ ones.

            Well spotted Greg.

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              sophocles

              One point to remember, NZ has a “Bill of Rights” but freedom of speech is not included in it.
              We have no written constitution; it’s one of custom with a few islands of the explicit.
              There is no “Right of Free Speech.” That’s where the interviewee was wrong.

              For a few years after removing the death penalty for most crimes, NZ kept the death penalty solely for treason. The penalty has been completely excised from the statutes for some time now.

              I’m not legally trained and it’s been a long time since I read NZ’s relevant statutes but I would still advise exercising a little care in what you say.

              It’s all available on line at http://legislation.govt.nz/
              There’s also NZ Regulations … just to add to the fun.

              (Note to self: go read all this stuff up again — it’s been too long!)

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                sophocles

                I wonder if the scripts wait until you give them half a dozen lines before they spit you
                out into moderation … or more than a certain threshold? Some “meat” to masticate! :-D
                Anyway 10.1.1.1.1 is in moderation.

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          robert rosicka

          Thanks Beowulf for pointing that out , scary thought that you can be visited by the constabulary over something like this .

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    David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

    Morning all,
    Their ABC has just announced a new disease, “climate grief”:
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2020-08-19/the-danger-of-climate-grief-lies-in-the-fact-its-often-ignored/12563930
    The good news is: there is a cure – teach the twits some science.
    Unfortunately the clusters are firmly centred within government, schools and academia, where such teachings cannot reach.
    Cheers
    Dave B

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    So then, wind generation had a reasonably good day yesterday, one of its good days that are so few and far between.

    Note especially here that this was a ….. GOOD day, and even on that good day, wind power still did not even average HALF of its Nameplate, making it to 44% average across the day, and delivering just 14% of all generated power across the day.

    The maximum for the day was 4300MW, one of the very few times wind generation has gone above 4000MW, and that’s from a Nameplate of 7728MW. That 4300MW was for a single point in time, a five minute wonder peak, that gave wind power an instantaneous Capacity Factor of 56%.

    Again we had the now expected shut down when the wind became too strong, and in a 15 minute period at 3PM, wind generation lost 660MW. All of this was in South Australia. That 660MW loss was (around) 320 to 350 individual wind towers shutting down, so the blades were not destroyed. That 660MW loss was ten wind plants shutting down, ceasing their power generation altogether. They were The Lincoln Gap plant, the three plants at Lake Bonney, the Mount Millar plant, the Waterloo plant, the Willogoleche plant, and the three plants at Snowtown.

    Tony.

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      Chad

      Yes Tony, i was expecting sonething like that to happen in. SA with the “Severe Weather warning” that was issued.
      Whist we are on Elecricity, i have been searching for some time for a “Grid Demand” graph of Germany’s daily consumption…tono efect.
      Their generation is easy to observe on suchsites as ..
      https://www.energy-charts.de/power.htm?source=all-sources&year=2020&week=32
      But “Consumption” has been elusive.
      In particular , i wanted to know how they dealt with the midday peak from Solar , which in summer, is often 30+ GW more than their evening or morning peaks. .
      I assumed they were storing it (pumped hydro) or exporting somewhere but difficult to find details.
      However i recently found this report that nicely breakes down Germanys generation, consumption, imports and exports for 2018, .on page 8.
      https://www.bdew.de/media/documents/Pub_20190603_Energy-Market-Germany-2019.pdf
      Bottom line is that of the 613 TWh generated, 83 TWh (13.5%) is exported, …much more than the Total 45TWh that solar produced that year. !
      In the same year , they did import 32 TWh, so they are effectively using their neighbouring countries as a 32TWh “battery” !

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      robert rosicka

      Bald hills windfarm has lost its appeal in the Supreme Court against noise complaints , residents are now planning a class action which could mean the windfarm has to be turned off at night and recompense for the suffering residents .
      Could this pave the way for other lawsuits against windfarms ?

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    Annie

    Is anyone else being driven potty by the Firefox update? This site comes up as before but The Australian is coming up in a horrible ‘phone type form with huge overlarge pics that take ages to scroll through on my tablet and when/if I get to the comments section it is partly off the screen and I cannot find any way to shrink it. The adblocker isn’t working yet either. Nor can I just touch a ‘x’ cancel for a site anymore; it’s Google-type endless ‘reversing’. Grrr.

    Rant for today.

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      Yonniestone

      Hi Annie maybe try the earlier version and see if that works?, I have the 70.0.1 version and didn’t update as I use Opera all the time, I see that version 72.0.2 released 20/01/2020 had a few fixes for some site compatibility and viewing so maybe the bugs will be fixed fairly soon with yours.

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        Annie

        Thanks Yonnie. While looking up their info I was informed that I couldn’t revert to the previous version. I had hoped that I could.

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          Yonniestone

          You could uninstall your current version and install an older one, I know its a pain and you’d think they tested the new one out enough for regular use, but nothings simple is it?

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            Annie

            There was a writer in the UK many years ago, Patrick Hutber, who said ‘Improvement means deterioration’. So true far too often.
            I still think that Windows XP was far more intuitive to use, especially for ‘normal’ people, than anything I’ve tried since. I suppose they must keep their geeks employed but it’s a pain for the likes of me, who got over any fascination with computers with Elliot 803 Autocode and Machine Code!(That dates me horribly, does it not?!) not to mention all that perforated tape…

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    Analitik

    I found the following article on ZeroHedge from a progressive who sees why Trump is likely to win this November. It’s a nicely balanced, self-reflective look at the state of the (dis)Union without the bitterness and rancor that you would normally expect from an article of this sort.

    They elected Donald once and they will try to again. He is scornful and vicious. He despises openly. He snarls and barks. He will make a pig’s breakfast of everything he touches, but here’s the thing everyone misses: educated elites will feel the hardship he causes more acutely than the millions of workers who have already adapted to pittance wages, dead-end careers, and chronic disrespect. They’ve endured two decades of it; they can cope. They’re betting that liberal snowflakes like me can’t.

    Why Trump is Likely to Win Again

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      Furiously curious

      Getting a bit pessimistic here–I doubt anyone can win this.! It’s basically civil war already in the US. Postal voting is a recipe for disaster– months of indecision, and no one will accept the result. Already black rioters are demanding people move out of their houses and neighbourhoods. I hate to give them ideas, but wait ’til they amp up the generational jealousy, and suburbanites become the 21st century kulaks. Socialism is driven by either altruism for the poor, or hatred of the rich, and once momentum starts, the later takes control 99.9 % of the time.
      Hoping for a miracle. I just cant see either side winning this. There’s not a chance of the left accepting a loss, and even if Trump got all magnanimous, and was able to quieten the right (!) we’re screwed by the lefts’ desire to smash everything to pieces. Win or lose that’s what they’ll try to do anyway. And thanks to HRs’ long march through the education systems and bureaucracies, everything is pretty well white anted.
      ‘Be realistic plan for a miracle’. We’ve got to somehow find some sanity.

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      Greg in NZ

      Must be our fault – or maybe Obama really DID stop Nature in its tracks 4 years ago.

      So rain is on its way, as are more cyclones: farmers rejoice, surfers too! It’s as if it’s almost a cyclic thing, good years v. bad years. Who knew!

      Drought’s officially over-and-out here now with buckets of the wet stuff falling from the sky with more on the way… uh-oh, must be our fault. Roll on La Niña!

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      Graeme#4

      Every year the BOM claims that Australia is going to experience either an El Niño or a La Niña. Eventually they will be proved correct…

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        el gordo

        BoM waited until the end of spring to call ‘Alert’ because La Nina is notoriously unpredictable before then. With no sense of self modesty I called it back in Easter, our colleague Leaf will confirm my early forecast.

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        el gordo

        Momentary brain fade … ‘BoM waited until early spring ….’

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          Graeme#4

          I’m sure that during the previous two years, the BOM stated that an El Niño was due, which of course never eventuated, and as yet I haven’t seen anybody else, including Bob Tisdale, call a La Niña for this year.

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    beowulf

    Will Andrews get strung up by his own new, over-reaching OH&S legislation? Let’s hope so. Dan’s figurative scalp would look good dangling from a flagpole.

    Since Victorian Workcover failed to act on its own initiative, it is now obliged to investigate and hopefully prosecute the Victorian government for “industrial manslaughter” arising from the hotel fiasco after an official request was made under S131 of the Occupational Health and Safety Act 2004 by the group Self-Employed Australia.

    Unfortunately, if Workcover doesn’t prosecute, the final decision whether to prosecute can rest with the DPP. If the DPP is anything like the Vic Police who failed to prosecute the government for the Red Shirts scandal, then Andrews will walk away laughing again.

    The government and government officers are apparently not immune to the Act. See if slippery Dan can wriggle free.

    “There are huge penalties including fines of $16.5m for employers and jail terms of up to 20 years and fines of up to $1.65m for officers whose actions or omissions:
    • cause the death of a worker or member of the public;
    • involve a breach of an OHS duty;
    • were negligent.
    The criminal negligence standard applies, ie where there is a “great falling short of the care that would have been taken by a reasonable person in the circumstances in which the conduct was engaged in, and involves a high risk of death or serious injury or serious illness”.
    Under the new laws, senior officers could be liable (in addition to the employer) where they are negligent by failing to take reasonable steps on workplace safety to prevent fatalities, including managing mental injury that leads to suicide.”

    https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2020/08/victorian-workcover-asked-to-prosecute-over-andrews-govt-hotel-quarantine-fiasco.html

    NSW Health officials implicated in the Ruby Princess farce must be heaving a sigh of relief that NSW doesn’t have equivalent legislation on the books.

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      Dennis

      Same prosecutor that decided two VicPolice investigations into an AWU slush fund discovered no worthwhile evidence despite now published on line documentary (paper trail) and statements impossible for a court to ignore.

      In cases of f*aud documentary evidence is not debatable because it is irrefutable.

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    Williamx

    Ok my wife (Flight Attendant) did a Sydney to Perth via Melbourne with a Sydney crew on the 18th August. Quarantined in Perth hotel not allowed to leave. Today she flew a Perth to Sydney leg. Was told to self isolate at home… yet the stupidity is she is working tomorrow on a flight with a Brisbane crew. Qantas require you to self isolate when you have days off if travelling through the Melbourne port.. But If you are rostered to work the next day.. no self isolation, just get on the aircraft and work again… She is flying into Perth via Melbourne tomorrow with a Brisbane crew… This is madness

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    el gordo

    ‘The national farm lobby’s new policy backs Australia achieving net zero emissions by 2050, a more ambitious goal than the Morrison government’s agenda.’ SMH

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      Graeme No.3

      EG:

      Perhaps the claims of Australia being a net reducer in emissions allowing for vegetation? Or are they “virtue signalling” for oodles of subsidies?

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        Ted O'Brien.

        Almost from the time of its creation, the National Farmers’ Federation has been rural Australia’s greatest enemy. Now they have lost the plot completely’ That’s if they ever had it.

        Around 35 years ago Cambridge educated NFF president Ian McLachlan told us that our greatest problem in Australian agriculture was intervention in our markets by foreign governments.

        This was true and correct. I knew it, and I thought most farmers would have known it. It was good to hear it coming from a Cambridge background.

        He further told us that what we needed was ‘Free Markets”. All the world needed free markets, and if we showed the way by eliminating government assistance for agriculture all the world would follow our example. This then would give us a Level Playing Field. Because we were the world’s most efficient farmers everything would then be lovely.

        So the NFF adopted this very brave policy.

        It took no more than two years to show that All the World had not the slightest interest in following us onto the moral high ground of economics. This policy was beyond brave, it was suicidal. But it has remained as NFF policy to the present day. Under that policy the number of small business capitalists engaged in farming in Australia has been halved. And the NFF believes it has done a good job, putting half its constituency out of business.

        So now the NFF has fallen for the Climate Scam.

        It appears that they believe that farmers can make a profitable business out of “Carbon Capture”. This belief is founded in very short sighted science.

        There is a physical limit on the quantity of carbon that a given area of land can “lock up” And that limit varies greatly over time, driven by factors outside human control. e.g. Rain. Drought. Bushfires.

        In the long run the result must be that carbon content fluctuates below that limit. In the long run this is a zero sum business. For every winner there must be a loser, who also has to pay for the administration of the system.

        In halving the number of Australian farmers the NFF has brought the Marxists half way home to their objective of abolishing private management of industry. This madness will complete the job!

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    Slithers

    Aged care report.
    The carers, cooks and maintenance people are in the front line in this fight against the Virus.
    I think someone should tell them the virus is attacking from the rear!
    A Resident had to go to see a specialist in town yesterday. Aboard our private transport; in a crowded waiting room for forty minutes; a two minute consultation; back to the bus.
    He was not allowed to use the ATM right there in the wall of the bank next to the clinic.
    Driven home, had to wait outside the facility reception, which was vacent while the bus was parked.
    He is not trusted to know the access code so had to stand there in the cold wind.
    A total stranger came up, not wearing a mask and conversation took place for several minutes.
    The Bus driver came to the main entrance and entered the key code. Resident and Bus driver entered. The visitor entered, was told to wait, he did await ignoring the ‘X’ marks the social distancing distancing spots promiently placed on the floor of the reception area.
    The receptionist returned seconds later, the Bus driver completed the registration of return of the resident. The receptionist asked the visitor his business and was told to leave!
    The Bus driver was scolded. ‘You should not have let him in.’
    What a crazy world we live in.

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    OriginalSteve

    Jo,

    Of interest regards jobs in Asia Pacific region as result of covid 19 and the future.

    https://www.adb.org/publications/covid-19-technology-polarizing-jobs

    Sourced from the home if The Great Reset from wef.ch

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    OriginalSteve

    Jo, of interest?

    https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/08/crispr-gene-testing-editing-covid19-coronavirus-diagnostics-precision-medicine-healthcare/

    “One of the most common misconceptions about CRISPR is that it’s only useful for gene editing. In reality, CRISPR can be used for a wide variety of non-gene editing applications, ranging from diagnostics to antiviral applications.

    “There is also a perception that the gene-editing mechanism of CRISPR is the bottleneck for curing all disease. The reality is that, for many applications, the bottleneck is actually our understanding of the genetic code itself or the limitations of what changing that code can actually accomplish. How factors interplay with our genetic code to produce diseases is a field that is critical for unlocking gene editing’s full potential.

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