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True junk science:
https://phys.org/news/2020-07-international-analysis-narrows-range-climate.html
Wow!
“This new research, revealed in a 165-page, peer-reviewed journal article commissioned by the World Climate Research Programme (WCRP) written over four years, finds that the true climate sensitivity is unlikely to be in the lowest part of the 1.5-4.5°C range. The analysis indicates that if atmospheric carbon dioxide levels double from their pre-industrial levels and are maintained, the world would probably experience eventual warming from 2.3-4.5°C. The researchers found there would be less than 5% chance of staying below 2°C and a 6-18% chance of exceeding 4.5°C.”
So all the recent observation based sensitivity estimates of less than 1.5 degrees are crap? There have been at least a dozen. Curry and Lewis for example.
And they claim to know this to a single percent of probability? Hahahahaha
But a 165 page article carries a lot of weight (if it is on heavy paper).
David
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Observed science misses and dismisses the massive amount of processes that are interlocked into many other areas. So, of course, they still have no clue as to how the Sun and planet interacts.
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Very well put.
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Yes, they refuse to study the natural system because they are locked into the alarmist paradigm of human causation.
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Well David, what I meant was that I agreed with JoJo D when he says that the process that supposedly governs CO2 induced “heating” is so deeply covered by other processes that it would be impossible to isolate.
Acknowledging that, the only avenue left for us is to do the sensible thing and look at the basic science.
Can additional CO2 cause warming by “trapping” energy or by some other such mechanism; and the answer is no.
There may be attempts to draw on vague concepts in atomic physics but in the end there’s no heating from CO2: any CO2 molecule that can trap more heat than its allocated load past midnight each day would get a gold medal award from me.
Sadly, for the IPCCCCC, the quantitative aspects of the human origin CO2 warming theory are completely at odds with any concept of human capacity to heat things.
We didn’t do it. We can’t do it.
KK
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Re; Jojodogfacedboy.
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Their is an area that man has put huge quantities of water vapour when you study and understand how we create liquid fuel. It pretty much is the same process generating a cup of coffee where heating keeps the coffee flavour floating in water. I certainly pre a lot of water afterwards like engines in cars. The octane is burnt while the water vapour is exhausted out.
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David,
The IPCC’s Sixth Assessment Report is due out in 2021. As we saw immediately before the release of its Fifth Assessment Report, numerous publications appeared In the months preceding the public release of the IPCC’s report, all with glowing support of AGW. It’s nothing more than a planned public relations campaign, to bring climate change to the forefront of MSM, and to show the absolute consensus that exists.
The timing is key, as these articles and publications are now within the timeframe of critical review and response in the peer reviewed journals. The most famous one I recall was Shakun et al 2012. Shakun was a doctoral candidate at the time, but two of his “co-authors” were lead writers for the IPCC’s report. This paper announced that 20 years of ice core data was wrong, and that CO2 changes led temperature increases at the end of the last glacial period leading to the Holocene optimum.
It became the “go to” reference to shoot down deniers. Except that it was eventually shown to be false. A case of very poor methodology and cherry-picked date ranges were identified. But those responses took time to develop and write, and of course, they weren’t published in the same journals and got none of the MSM attention.
I expect we will see many more of these over the next few months.
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Thanks Pauly,
Sounds right to me. And it’s almost impossible to get a scientifically acceptable rebuttal written, reviewed and published before their conference, so it is just accepted…
Cheers
Dave B
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Yes the models feeding into AR6 are running significantly hotter than for the fifth report. That is, their sensitivity is higher because they have souped up the positive cloud feedback. This study reflects that change in sensitivity. In this case I think the timing is to feed into the Covid stimulus efforts. Rebuild greener and all that Jazz.
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Thanks for the link. The evidence for a flat earth is more convincing than the evidence referred to at that link regarding the impact of CO2 on our climate, yet we know for a fact the earth is NOT flat but an oblate spheroid. As far as I’m concerned any scientific paper discussing the effect of CO2 concentration on the climate is worthless unless one can observe the effects on another planet of exactly the same state as the earth after the CO2 concentration is deliberately altered. Models at this time are useless as they are incomplete and proven to be inaccurate time and time again.
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Great to see them reach their pre-determined conclusion.
Attribution studies are such fun ! 😉
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Hindcasting hindsight?
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If they totally ignore anything else that might cause variations in temperature…
Its really easy to attribute it to the boogieman CO2 molecule they want to attribute it to.
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And they do so ignore everything natural, or almost everything. The models are constrained to just use about ten specified forcings, nine of which are human, CO2 being the biggest by far. The one natural forcing is direct solar energy, the observed variation of which is insignificant. Then they conclude that humans must be the cause of the changes. This is only true by assumption.
I explain this here: https://www.cfact.org/2018/03/01/circular-reasoning-with-climate-models/.
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That’s nonsense, excluding the most recent 2016 El Niño that is unrelated to any GHG forcing, the putative global temperature linear rise since 1850 is around 0.7C.
Even assuming that putative T rise was due entirely to increasing CO2 — that an accurate GAT trend from 1850 is in any way plausible and that it has not been artificially inflated by ‘adjustments’ anyway — extrapolating the linear trend to 2100 yields about 1C above 1850.
That is the only half-rational extrapolation into the future anyone can make, convoluted statistical gymnastics are irrelevant.
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Good points made. 🙂
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Has anyone ever calculated the temp delta of the world’s oceans to cause CO2 outgassing to arrive at a steady rise of CO2 to rise by 90ppm over fifty years. The recordings at Moana Loa shows a signal from winter to summer in the northern hemisphere. To date there has been zero change in trajectory due to the COVID shutdown…I doubt we will every see one. I keep going back to Carl Wunsch and his “misrepresentation” in the Durkin doco. The oceans may have a memory that could go back 10000 years, he said. Whatif?
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Not only does the CO2 curve show no response to the Covid panic economic contraction, it shows no response to the quadrupling of our emissions in just a few decades (thanks to China in particular). This is strong evidence that it is independent of our emissions.
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Why would it? The Covid19 response was a retail limitation, not an energy and manufacturing limitation, which mostly kept rumbling along with the largest reduction being in passenger transportation, but transportation is only ~40% of CO2 emissions and passengers are a smaller portion of that, for only 4 months.
It also happened between February to May which is when the CO2 level annual cycle starts at its northern winter high point and decreases as regrowth sucks CO2 out of the air, so picking that natural decrease apart from the artificial one may not be obvious. This only proves how noisy nature is, not that the law of conservation of mass was suddenly suspended.
Two kinds of problems with that line of thinking, firstly empirical, secondly self-contradiction.
Firstly, the CO2 has in fact gone up exponentially, despite CO2 solubility in water being a linear change for small linear changes in temperature and the smoothed annual derivative did increase by a factor of 3.5 in 50 years.
There is also the fact the south to north gradient of CO2 concentration was increasing during that whole time, and since there is far more ocean in the SH than the NH, this indicates the mostly NH source of the CO2 was a land-based source, which is the majority of concrete and fossil fuel consumption.
Secondly, the only way you can believe the industrial emissions quadrupled over a few decades is if you have accepted the CO2 emissions figures as being generally accurate. These same figures also show industrial annual emissions to be greater than (and roughly double) the annual increment of CO2 mass that is measured in the air after each year. As mass is conserved in this system and we are not sequestering any, this implies a net sequestration of CO2 out of the air into the rest of nature. Nature is still a source of “new” CO2 (eg volcanoes and methane clathrates) but it is not a net contributor to the air since it is absorbing more from the air than it is producing from the subsurface. The figures you’ve accepted imply the opposite of your conclusion.
These are both strong empirical evidence that human activity is the main source of the annual rise in CO2. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, but we’ve got to call a spade a spade when measurement says so.
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I was wondering what is the current definition of Peer in the “peer-reviewed” context as I suspect that my understanding may be dated.
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Ah! The odds. The odds. 6-18% they say? Or is the winner the 5.0%?
It’s all nonsense. Don’t they read their IPCC reports? Didn’t they read that bit about “non-linear chaotic systems” and the impossibility (“not possible”) of forecasting future climates?
History shows their foolishness.
In the 1940 Melbourne Cup the odds about the favorite, “Beau Vite”, winning were 7/4 (1.3/4%). “Historian” was rated to win at just a fraction over 6.0%. On the upside “Dashing Cavalier” was an 18% chance. 6-18% chances there.
What happened to the less than 5% chance? What happened to the 6-18% chances?
I hate to say it, but the sceptics were right (yet again). 🙂
“Old Rowley” won at 100/1. The second 100/1 winner in five years.
Since then at least 165,000 pages has been written about how poorly the pundits performed.
What makes any body think that the well educated fools who think they can model climate can do any better?
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/2542463
https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/03/TAR-14.pdf
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I have to agree with John Clease when he stated that governments have taken the fun out of life.
Decade after decade it has been getting worse with more and more laws, restrictions and imposed fees. It is pretty much illegal now to party without penalties…
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We have untold thousands of people whose well paid jobs are to write laws and regulations. We get what we pay for, more and more, day after day. Whose idea was that?
The trick is to learn to laugh at it. As Will Rogers said, “It’s not hard to be a comedian when you have the whole government working for you”.
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In the 80’s politicians would proudly talk about deregulation and reducing government expenditure but now there is no such desire. In fact, today, politicians simply don’t care about those issues and neither do the Sheeple. Most politicians are now clueless and have no understanding about anything but their own self-preservation.
Total Australian government debt (fed, state and local) is now over $1,167,000,000,000. That doesn’t yet include the massive budget deficit announced by the treasurer yesterday because I guess borrowings haven’t yet been raised.
https://australiandebtclock.com.au/
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Trump implemented a radical regulatory policy. For every new reg, each agency had to rescind two old ones. woohoo!
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David, and from what I’ve heard there are EIGHT being knocked over. FANTASTIC NEWS.
If only we could do that here in Australia…
Just remember, every time the politicians pass a law
they take away more of our freedom…
EVERY TIME…
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Whatever you are doing just make the claim it is for Black Lives Matter. That gets a free pass from all government authorities.
Probably a lot of money in BLM T-shirts and caps.
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Once of the drivers is the hunger for more taxes in any way possible. It’s going to get much worse now that our debt has ballooned.
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I was going to say they only matter if you observe them, but that is the benefit of age. Many younger people think its normal and the way the world is.
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I find the crooks who can’t be prosecuted are running the country.
Interesting article below:
Could Covid take out the leaders of both Canada and the US?
The virus that just won’t quit has lasted longer than most people imagined, continues to chew its way through society, has levelled economies, erased the jobs of hundreds of millions, has public finances circling the drain and now, spectacularly, weakened both Trump and Trudeau. Could this be fatal? Actually, yes.
[SNIP!]
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You will long remember 2020. Largely for what’s yet to happen.
[JoJo, you must not post copyright protected material! Brief excerpts only with attribution. You will find yourself moderated permanently if you continue doing this. ]ED
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The more accurate comparison to Trudeau would be Biden’s family connections to Chinese Communist Party companies, Obama’s Cash For Iran, and Hillary’s Benghazi Bungle.
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“Meanwhile Trump has helped polarize American society “
No, Trump has done nothing to polarise the USA..
.. it has been totally the doing of the Democrats.
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The most powerful CV19 message comes from hospital and morgues. Rather than having the daily press conferences with elected dills and their medical advisers, just do the rounds of all the head nurses in the COVID wards of all the major hospitals. They provide a compelling story. Then go to the morgues and chat about the bodies.
Most people are not all that stupid and almost everyone has a strong sense of self-preservation. Put the latter to work. It becomes obvious very quickly that CV19 is VERY NASTY.
I believe Sweden has developed “herd immunity”. Most people in the country have worked out how they avoid the infection. People tend to avoid public transport; down by almost 40% on a week day. The number of people avoiding workplaces continues to increase and is down by 60% on a week day. The government did regulate to isolate aged care. Those factors combined has kept the death toll to CV19 under 600/M of population.
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The only leader in the world at recent times who even bothered to try to promote world peace is Trump. He didn’t go over to North Korea and elsewhere to try and talk some sense into Kim Jong-un because he liked his haircut. Sadly it all came to nothing. At least he tried. I give him that much. As for the rest of the world leaders I’d put all of them in a spaceship and send them to Mars to continue their monumental failures there.
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Jojo and Jo…
what are your attitudes to unattributed copy/pasting from other places. I mean even if Jojo is Garth Turner he should acknowledge something.
btw I love the jingoists responding already like they live there.
[Thank you for the heads-up.] ED
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Leaf, are you bored?
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completely.
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Boredom breeds mischief…
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keep your pants on.
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Boredom is a sign of an inactive mind !
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https://www.greaterfool.ca/2020/07/22/the-big-infection/
Garth Turner
Well spotted professor!
I suppose university academics are well tuned in to plagiarism these days.
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Yet another totally EMPTY and pointless comment from Gee-aye
SOP !!
[Andy, Gee did the blog a favor in pointing out a potential copyright/attribution violation. You should thank Gee him/her/* for helping to protect this blog from legal troubles.]ED
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I enjoy getting other people’s perspectives, then I know that I have not gone crazy with all the hypocritical reporting from our politicians and media.
And so many people believe this poop on a cracker bias reporting that mostly is opinionated so that it’s published even though it may be the total opposite to the real news.
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Here is the link to the blog of the person who writes this piece.
https://www.greaterfool.ca/2020/07/22/the-big-infection/
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Interesting. This new study claims that lockdowns had very little impact on death rates and nor did closing borders
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8553929/Lockdowns-DONT-work-study-claims.html
Our own chief health officer said yesterday that lockdown in the UK was probably not needed as rates were falling before the official lockdown was implemented back in March
Huge factors are smoking, obesity and age.
The uk now has a large cohort of over 85’s , which is double that of 15 years ago. This pandemic could not have happened here at the turn pf the century. We are the fattest in Europe, with all that implies for associated health issues and also we have the lowest rate of smoking in Europe as once again this has Been flagged up as a major factor, in as much smokers are much less likely to catch the virus.
Add in the care homes scandal and that hospitals were dangerous places to be ill in and the chances of anyone in the community below 80 not living in a care home or having to go to hospital actually dying of the virus were very small.
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Lockdowns don’t work. I probably sound like a broken record – remember them? But what is happening in Victoria demonstrates yet again, consistent with that Uni Toronto study, that the degree of lockdown is not an explanatory variable in case numbers and mortality. When will Chairman Dan understand this?
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Of course lockdowns don’t work. If they did we would use them to eradicate all of the virus and diseases in the world once and for all.
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Only those viruses coming out of Asia are causing the pandemics, strongly suggest we exterminate all the bats and birds in that vicinity.
You might have heard that influenza infections and deaths are way down, thanks to distancing and lockdowns. Every year we spend large sums of monies to prevent new strains debilitating our society, but its a losing battle.
To put it bluntly, anyone coming from that part of the world should automatically go into quarantine on landing.
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H/T to John Cullen on Crowd Source the Truth.
Many countries and US states have stopped reporting influenza. John asked did someone pick up the phone and end reporting in week eleven?
An example is New Jersey where reporting appears to have stopped in February.
That would certainly cause this drop in CDC data during that period
Maybe Influenza infections are way down because reporting and testing stopped or, alternatively was there a reclassification to report the deaths specifically as COVID-19?
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Good point B, we should look at this from a universal perspective.
The question on notice: Can testing differentiate between the flu and Covid-19?
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I am not sure the SARS viruses have yet been fully classified. The entire system of study requires a large number of well funded researchers working for benevolent institutions and private laboratories to work together and exchange information.
We currently live in a world where Universities are like James Cook University with the message apparently more important than the facts. Many private laboratories have been closed or moved to places like China and India where they are protected from ‘Ambulance Chasing Lawyers’ and animal rights activists.
I am not even sure as to what the actual illness is these viruses are responsible for.
Why aren’t young people suffering mortality or in many cases even symptoms of an illness?
Why are many countries with large foreign travel interractions reporting few if any cases or mortality?
Can tests detect between flu and corona virus? Supposedly yes but with what accuracy and what focus was paid to virus and not the symptoms in determining the designation of the cause?
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With young people its showing up as chronic fatigue syndrome.
‘Dr Fauci warned that the lingering COVID-19 symptoms seen in some young adults resemble those of chronic fatigue syndrome – but he added it could be months or years before we know for certain if the infection can trigger lifelong health issues.
‘Despite exhaustive warnings that youth does not prevent coronavirus infection, young people in the US are now fueling the virus’s spread and accounting for an outsized proportion of infections.’ Daily Mail
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The latest lockdown in Melbourne is the perfect example that lockdowns are incredibly effective. Just 14 days after the latest lockdown, the case numbers have stabilised. There were doubling every 3 days before the lockdown. That would have meant 5 doublings in the last 15 days if there was no lockdown. 100 cases would now be 3000 cases. Melbourne is 1/10th of what it would have been without the lockdown.
The alternative to lockdowns is morgues filling. That statistic appears to be sufficient evidence to convince most people to do all they can to avoid infection.
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Which part of the study report did you actually read?
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I do not need to read silly reports from silly people. I can analyse the data.
What do you not understand about this:
Not rocket science. Just reported numbers and the maths of exponential growth. Anyone who massages numbers beyond this simple analysis is trying to fool gullible people that they know what they are talking about.
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Your characterization of this study and the authors as ‘silly’ says a lot. About. You.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/eclinm/article/PIIS2589-5370(20)30208-X/fulltext
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???
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No amount of prodding will get me to read silly things from silly people. Anything that porports to determine lockdowns do not work are just plain silly.
Lockdowns demonstrabably work very effectively.
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Lock downs are incredibly effective RickWill.
Look at what happened to the Tasmanian Aborigines with the arrival of the Sealers and Colonists and more recently, the Samoans in the the 1918 influenza outbreak.
Lock downs reduce exposure to pathogens, but be aware when they arrive and they will as travel becomes cheaper and accessible you will lack immunity. Or as Trump would say ‘Bad’
Before the Wuhan virus publicity we were discouraging excessive hygiene with encouragement to stop using antibacterial soaps, get a pet, dig in the garden, and to hug and kiss. This was based on literature and was in response to a growth in childhood illnesses and allergies.
Warning! Do not hug anyone with Ebola!
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Possibly arguing at cross purposes.
Lockdowns may work temporarily but what then? and are they worth it?
I looked up your site David.
I read this on excess deaths in Europe:
https://australianactuary.com/
So the excess deaths in Europe is now over.
I agree that we should get back to work. The government can give advice about how individuals might protect themselves and stay healthy.
That might include; vitamins d and C, masks indoors. Widespread use of the Paper Antibody tests could also help at minmal cost.
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The need and effectiveness of lockdowns depends on the nature of the society. In Taiwan there was no need to lockdown because they have prior experience and the government has high social licence.
Most of Europe needed hard lockdowns. They would have lost a lot more people if they had not taken hard action. It took Sweden about 5000 deaths to achieve what the other Scandinavian countries achieved with a tiny fraction of that number in similar societies where governments have high social licence.
The government/s in the USA have low social licence. They are almost irrelevant to the outcome. It appears the “herd immunity” kicks in around 500/M deaths. I figure that is when most people know someone who has died of or become seriously ill with CV19. They then take their own precautions VERY seriously.
There is a risk in opening up from lockdown when the population have not been properly schooled in self-protection. The way it spread through the m-community in Melbourne is testament to that. (A hospital physician I know well commented on the one common factor in the first cases that flooded into the hospital wards in Melbourne in early July) Many of the security guards responsible for monitoring the hotel quarantine in Melbourne viewed it as money for nothing; taking no precautions to avoid infection.
There is a virus without a brain that is continually finding hosts in the human population. It makes me wonder just how brain challenged are humans that allow themselves to get infected with this deadly virus? Even if they consider themselves bullet proof they surely have to have some consideration for vulnerable people they are likely to contact.
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If lockdowns work, why do we keep having a resurgence?
Ergo, lockdowns don’t work, they just put the problem off to another day…..
That said, I believe based on the Cell paper that the current version of the virus is significantly less harmful than the original. The Victoriastan govt however seems to be happy to pretend its the black death however, which means its either completely incompetent, or malicious. I guess choose which one you want to go with.
I guess too if you sample enough people through “testing”, you have a good DNA database to use for producing whatever nasty comes next to enable it to target chunks of the population. What happens to all the DNA …er….covid tests that are taken? Where do they wind up? People are handing over their freedoms willy nilly for a non event.
The flu in Victoria killed 334 people, all of them over 65.
How many have we had die so far from “Covid”….40?
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Did you read the study or the pcik and choose murdoch press sensationalism?
From the abstract
and limitations
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More curious than me. I did get past:
I KNOW they do work. It is an indisputable fact – not a “claim”, Claim is the get out word used by wishy-washy press reporting on questionable “science”.
Although someone needs to write a paper on the effectiveness of lockdowns and pass it on to Anders Tegnell so he can be properly informed. That might save 5000 or so Swedish lives if he is still around for the next pandemic.
Sweden has achieved “herd immunity”. Basically Swedes have learnt how to avoid infection. The data shows most are still working from home and the number doing that is continuing to rise. Use of public transport continues to be down by over 30%. Public Transport in Australia is down by a similar amount as Sweden but workplaces in Australia are only down about 20% on week days.
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Rick, “cases” are not very important. I believe that there are an untold number of “cases” out there due to “Dan the pandemic man’s” mis-management. Deaths are the measure of a pandemic. So far the list each day consists of people 80 y.o.a plus. This is not unusual for the occupants of nursing homes in winter. If ever the victims of this virus become 20 y.o.a., then as in 1919 we should be worried.
Statistics from foreign parts are no guide to the truthful reporting of deaths. I posted a video of the head health honcho from Illinois state that people who had been admitted to a hospice with only a few weeks to live were counted to have died of COVID19 when they died and tested positive, likewise anyone who died of a clearly alternate cause but tested positive was counted as a COVID19 victim. That sort of skews the stats.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpYUz0ZsF_E
Mind you, Bill & Melinda have scared the living shite out of a lot of folks (including me!).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97jyoddutfE&feature=youtu.be
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Remember the old saying of whoever smelt it, dealt it?
Nuff said.
The globalist push is vaccine vaccine vaccine….nothing else.
Why?
Problem-reaction-Solution
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Alan Jones provides a reality check.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXsmRmN83VY
He quotes Prof. John Ioannidis ( Prof. of Medicine and Epidemiology at Stanford). Who said,
Yes, this was said in April, but the artificially inflated number of deaths due to COVID19 by including all those who died of other main causes keeps this a realistic assessment.
The worst is yet to come – from extreme economic distress. Frydenberg is about the only one who is man enough to admit it. ScoMo thinks the economy will magically rebound. “Tell ‘im he’s dreamin'”
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Here is HUGE virus genome sequencing database & information repository….
SARS-CoV-2 Sequence Resources
Genome Reference Sequence (NC_045512)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sars-cov-2/%5D
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Also…whoops…..
https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/05/21/860480756/scientists-warn-cdc-testing-data-could-create-misleading-picture-of-pandemic
“Scientists Warn CDC Testing Data Could Create Misleading Picture Of Pandemic
“The CDC combines the results of genetic tests that spot people who are actively infected, mostly by using a process known as polymerase chain reaction, or PCR, with results from another, known as serology testing, which looks for antibodies in people’s blood. Antibody testing is used to identify people who were previously infected.
“The CDC’s practice was first reported by Miami public radio station WLRN on Wednesday and was confirmed by the agency in a subsequent email to NPR.
“Jennifer Nuzzo, an epidemiologist at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security, expressed concern that adding the two types of tests together could leave the impression that more testing of active cases had been conducted than was actually the case.
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Really? I thought smokers had a lower incidence of corona infection.
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That is correct, smokers are unrepresented among positive cases in the US and France.
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Peter
When I linked to the report I did comment:
‘…and also we have ( the UK) the lowest rate of smoking in Europe as once again this has Been flagged up as a major factor, in as much smokers are much less likely to catch the virus.
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“His supporters, some of whom hang out here in their camo underwear and mullets, purposefully diminish the virus and claim deaths are falling (they aren’t, apparently) because Covid is killing the Trump presidency.”
Low smear of Trump supporters.
You could have just called them deplorable racist redneck climate change denying homophobes, like Hillary. (add disease deniers, camo underpants wearing, mulletheaded now, as well!)
“then he dissed his top medical guy and”
Perhaps “his top medical guy” is not “his” …
January 11, 2017
Fauci: ‘No doubt’ Trump will face surprise infectious disease outbreak
During a forum on pandemic preparedness at Georgetown University, Fauci said the Trump administration will not only be challenged by ongoing global health threats such as influenza and HIV, but also a surprise disease outbreak.
https://www.healio.com/news/infectious-disease/20170111/fauci-no-doubt-trump-will-face-surprise-infectious-disease-outbreak
As Gomer Pyle says, “Well, surprise, surprise, surprise.”
Redfield and Fauci also wrote an article in the New England Journal of Medicine 3/26/20, and suggested that Covid-19 was “akin to a severe seasonal influenza”.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMe2002387?articleTools=true
18/2/2020: Top disease official: Risk of coronavirus in U.S. is ‘minuscule,’ skip mask and wash hands
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/top-disease-official-risk-of-coronavirus-in-us-is-minuscule-skip-mask-and-wash-hands/ar-BB1068XR
Dr. Fauci Made the Coronavirus Pandemic Worse by Lying About Masks
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/dr-fauci-made-the-coronavirus-pandemic-worse-by-lying-about-masks/ar-BB15zyW3
… “after all, if these magical masks were to make any difference, their greatest usefulness would have been at the beginning of the outbreak, not on its heels.”
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/media-mask-mania-or-covid-19-groupthink
Here is a bonus link – before PDT was even elected …
The End of Civilization and the Real Donald Trump
“The pandemic started quietly. In the spring of 2017 A few hundred dead chickens appeared in markets in Hong Kong and a few other cities in China. Public health officials in China were slow to respond. They did not want to panic the public about an avian flu outbreak.”
https://thehealthcareblog.com/blog/2016/03/15/the-end-of-civilization-and-the-real-donald-trump/
Despite questioning “his top medical guy” many times, PDT has done what they recommended, as recommended.
Hence the mask wearing … now.
President Donald Trump is all that stands between us and the burn, loot, murder, get Trump at any cost alternative that is burning down your door.
If Trump goes, it will be the UN/ Biden green new deal all the way down.
Pick your side carefully.
Good luck.
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When Trump was first elected…
He should have slammed the Democrats into a corner and cancelled these fake witch hunts and arrested the media executives and took their licenses for being the Democrats television stations.
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In this excellent article, which some of the links come from, it is noted when PDT lost control of the discussion, to which I begrudgingly agree.
It was pointed out to me that if PDT did not do this , they (rinos and democrats) would have gone on an impeachment frenzy.
The COVID Coup
https://americanmind.org/essays/the-covid-coup/
“Anthony Fauci, who in March had told 60 minutes “there’s no reason to be walking around with a mask,” in May gave his scientific judgment that masks are “a symbol for people to see that that’s the kind of thing you should be doing,” while admitting that they are “not 100% effective.”
He could hardly have done otherwise since the New England Journal of Medicine had said: “wearing a mask outside health care facilities offers [the wearer] little, if any, protection from infection,” and is irrelevant to others in casual contact.”
Here is another great read:
Four Months of Unprecedented Government Malfeasance
https://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/four-months-unprecedented-government-malfeasance/
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Around this area
There is something brewing at Conservative TreeHouse.
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The left are true believers…but be clear about what they believe. They profess a ‘philosophy’ of governance.
If this governance that provides rioting, murder, and disorder in larges cities is what the left promises the rest of us is it critical
we keep them out of power.
But if this is theater for electoral purposes, with both the “protesters” and the victims pawns in a cynical ploy to manipulate opinion and get elected,
it is even more critical that we keep these folks out of power.
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If the Left try it on in the USA, and the bulk of the population are conservative, own guns and can shoot, and for years the right have put up with the Left yelling and spitting in their faces….how do you honestly think it will end?
It wont be so much a revolution as a one sided bloodbath. But it will rout the marxists from american soil for multiple generations, which can only foster peace.
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Mr. Trump had the odds against him from the very beginning with a lot of unknowns. He did us a favor by engaging the Commies and not giving up with minor setbacks. But, hey, the commie have been trying to take over the US of A ever since old Karl Marx penned his Communist Manifesto (~1840) and his Marxist armies corrupted Europe and half of the World. It started with our Ivy League schools here in the US (1880s). Then there was V. Lenin and the USSR revolution. Then there was Mao and the commie revolution and the Korean war. Then Ho Che Minh and Vietnam. Today we have commie Cuba and half of the globes third world commie countries. The radical islamist can’t be discounted. The US has radical marxist/facist to destroy by GI Joes and patriotic citizens.
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What do you think of this?
If you Google any three digit number followed by “new cases”,e.g. “457 new cases” you will get a story about COVID with that exact number of cases.
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Sort of dhat i would expect after many months of every day scorekeeping around the globe in every city, local govt area, State, country all repeatedly blasted out on the media
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I expect you would get exactly the same result as when you did it last time this was posted…
……about a week ago !
What do you expect to get from a Google word search ?..
….an answer that matches the question.
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not 736! Although Mexico had 736 new deaths.
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Gee Aye, I just Googled “736 new cases” and I did get Mexico. Although it was 736 deaths rather than new cases.
Here is a reference to 736 new cases.
https://latestnews.fresherslive.com/articles/odisha-records-736-new-corona-cases-5-more-deaths-132392
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that is literally what I just wrote.
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You said “not 736!” as in not 736 new cases.
I pointed out there is an article with 736 NEW cases, not deaths as you said.
My point remains correct.
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ok… I’m with you now.
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Today, few people understand or revere the free enterprise system or what little is left of it.
Prof. Milton Friedman’s 1980 video series explaining how free enterprise works should be compulsory viewing in schools, universities, for politicians and the Sheeple. It is available free on YouTube.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL0364ACCE6C7E9D8E
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Free enterprise, free market capitalism, let the markets/consumers pick the winners and the losers on merit.
No government favourites and subsidies for chosen winners, eg; wind and solar energy businesses.
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Perhaps Prof. Ridd’s lawyers can decide if this is of relevance to his case? A member of the Great Barrier Reef Foundation also prosecuted him for his beliefs that are contrary to the organisation of which she is a member?
According to her biography, among her numerous memberships Sandra Harding, Vice Chancellor of JCU, is a
Member, Citizens of the Great Barrier Reef Foundation Board
https://www.jcu.edu.au/office-of-the-vice-chancellor-and-president/biography
https://www.cairnspost.com.au/business/new-board-of-citizens-of-great-barrier-reef-foundation-named/news-story/5fe61aff3ef5e016ac80fa5cf7b26352
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Nothing says “liberal” more than New York suing Florida when New York was a hot spot and Florida was Corona free, and Florida tried
to identify and request self-quarantine from New York residents; but now that New York is a bit better off than the rest of the country
(despite having left truly hideous statistics in its wake), New York is quarantining travelers from 31 states, and lecturing them all on their bad
behavior.
It must be nice to be truly superior human being like the governor of New York, not to mention his sock puppet mayor in NYC.
Gosh I’m in awe of the enlightened luminescence they radiate.
Maybe all we conservatives lack is self confidence in our own deity?
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Four months ago it was only viewed as New York’s problem. People in the warm, dry States considered themselves immune. New York made no effort to stop it at its borders and resisted Trump’s suggestion to soft isolate the State.
It takes about 600 deaths per million of population before sufficient people take CV19 seriously enough to self-isolate. So “herd immunity” for CV19 in human population is achieved with about 6% of the population infected.
Countries that have achieved far fewer than 600 deaths per million have sensible, compliant people. Those up around the 600/M have privileged self-indulgent people who only care about themselves.
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yep thats its , 600 per million, no shades of greay at all. Must try harder Victoria!
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Australia, I understand, has been playing their version of football, and running cars around, as sport is even more important as a diversion in
a time of troubles.
The US opens baseball tonight, and the new Seattle hockey team just announced it will be the Kraken.
All of our riot torn cities have professional sports teams, usually in three or four major sports.
Only once in the last few yeas has a pro team lost games to civil insurrection; Baltimore wins the prize as
the Orioles had to move a “home” series to Tampa.
One wonders in a de-policed big city how attractive the crowds before and after will be to a criminal element?
Especially if the teams encourage the politicization of their operations by placing slogans on fields and uniforms?
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Multiple version of football Richard, it get quite tribal.
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America’s stock markets along with our own continue to rally, despite worsening economies, increasing debt, bankruptcies, and massive numbers for unemployment. At the same time titans of industry are raking it in, and the government’s response is to bring on tax cuts, shrinking its slice of the revenue pie, which will further impact our economy.
If that is Capitalism, then I’m a socialist
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I’m a utopian socialist, but support the government. According to the Treasurer we are projected to go into economic Depression, that is two years of negative growth.
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Karl Marx was referred to as a utopian socialist. Of course it wasn’t real and he was in reality anything but utopian.
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The utopian socialists were classless and didn’t fit into Karl’s hypothesis.
https://libcom.org/library/marxs-critique-utopian-socialists
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Yes pretty much if your focus is on wealth envy and taxes
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This is exactly the way capitalism works. The rapid re-ordering process after a a major disturbance. Money flees tourism and goes into on-line shopping. Bezos’s wealth is almost outpacing Australia’s national debt. Virgin Australia bailed out but still on the ropes. Boeing and Airbus just shadows of former powerhouses in manufacturing. Oil sector in the doldrums due to low demand.
Interest rates will continue to decline worldwide and governments forced to spend on infrastructure as the only private industry spending is medical. Money will flow back into share markets as investors gain confidence that CV19 is manageable. Would not be surprising to see Astra Zeneca shares fly higher.
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“and the government’s response is to bring on tax cuts”
So its letting the people who earn the money, keep more of it.
Sounds like capitalism to me !
And yes, you are most definitely a socialist / sociopath / marxist.
Whichever fitz at the moment. !
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mmm keep more of it , which they are likely to spend on something
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Late Antique Little Ice Age drama caused by volcanic eruptions.
https://notrickszone.com/2020/07/23/natural-variability-the-northern-hemisphere-cooled-and-warmed-by-1c-in-decades-1500-years-ago/
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One more outrage…..
There are some internet offences so egregious that I’d like to find the perps, lock them up, and throw away the key.
The low-life subhuman scumbags in the pacific northwest who are identifying law enforcement officers protecting federal
installations and doxing them by publishing their home adresses, while they are sequestered on duty and their wives and kids
are unprotected back home sheltering in place, qualify.
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If any of those scumbags turn up at the officers’ homes for malicious purposes, I hope they get [snipped.]
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There is a BLM rally/riot planned for Sydney, July 28. NSW Police have appealed to the NSW Supreme Court to try to stop it due to C-19 restrictions. The Greens support it.
In the middle of a plague, what could possibly go wrong?
Meanwhile, Victoriastan authorities continue to claim that the recent BLM rallies in Melbournistan, which were actually illegal due to C-19 restrictions, had nothing to do with the subsequent outbreaks.
We all know that C-19 Can only be spread at conservative gatherings, it doesn’t spread at Marxist ones.
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You have to love how the organisers are challenging the appeal through a technicality (on how it was announced)
I invite all Victorian cyclists to participate in a BLM (Bike Lanes Matter) protest ride
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I suggest a water canon riot vehicle with metho instead of water to break up the BLM rally….
Sanitize them at the same time…..just no smoking nearby…..
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It is concerning to read today’s Australian Press Council (APC) adjudication relating to complaints about an article in The Australian by Professor Ian Plimer in November 2019.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/media/australian-press-council-adjudication/news-story/52e521394b352ad562eb3c23847fe15c
It seems that the APC themselves are making their own (biased?) conclusions about the information presented by Prof. Plimer. For example, when referencing Prof. Plimer’s claim of “unsubstantiated claims polar ice is melting”, their statement seems to infer that there is reliable evidence. Based on what?
It’s interesting that the APC didn’t challenge Prof. Plimer’s claims that the Pacific Islands and the Maldives are growing rather than being inundated.
It now seems that the APC is involving itself in the climate change debate, and attempting to prevent adverse comment appearing in our press.
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It is indeed concerning.
As I keep saying, the Left have infiltrated almost every institution, public and private.
Rudi Dutschke’s “long march”, O’Sullivan’s Law and conservative apathy all at work at the same time.
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This is the ruling if you don’t want to fight the paywall
https://www.presscouncil.org.au/document-search/adj-1782/
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‘However, it considers that the term “unsubstantiated” misleadingly suggests that there is no reliable evidence whatsoever to support a view that the polar ice is melting.’
They are splitting hairs, there is no evidence to substantiate the view that polar ice is melting because of industrial CO2.
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You are getting confused I think.
The view that the ice caps is melting is based on a chain of evidence and scientific publications and these substantiate the view. In science that is not the same as saying “look it is happening”. What Plimer did was used an absolute term “unsubstantiated” when he was opining that the studies to support the view were not good enough to substantiate the view
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‘The view that the ice caps are melting is based on a chain of evidence and scientific publications and these substantiate the view.’
Antarctica is not melting, so he could be considered half right.
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well it sort of is, it does every year, but we never talk about it reforming, only the melting. We also dont talk abut that historically it has completley melted with submarines surfacing at the North Pole in the 1950s to nobodies alarm.
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Just in case you think there is no evidence.
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/nasa-study-mass-gains-of-antarctic-ice-sheet-greater-than-losses
Note how Antarctica has increased mass balance since the start of the Holocene.
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ah Zwally et al. Fine at the time and not cited more than 60 times such as by this paper
Smith et al 2020 10.1126/science.aaz5845
See also Hanna et al 2020 10.1016/j.earscirev.2019.102976
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I meant cited not “not cited”
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What EG and you have have shown is that there is “evidence” both for and against. Surely based on this, the APC should have never made a determination either for or against that article point. To make the determination that they did, they would need indisputable evidence, and that is definitely lacking in the case of the polar caps.
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G4… I agree evidence which means that a claim that one view is unsubstantiated is false. Plimer was wrong or at best used ill chosen words.
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Gee-Aye remains EVIDENCE FREE.
Why would he/she/it bother burdening itself with actual evidence !!
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I wonder where those 14mm where ever measured? certainly not Tuvalu, Seychelles or Fort Denison. I guess they are virtual/claimed mms, rathet than actual mms.
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We know the Arctic sea ice loss is unprecedented.
https://sunshinehours.net/tag/arctic-sea-ice/#jp-carousel-18854
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A press council ruling
LOL.. funny one, GA !
Why not just ask the far-left troughers at the climate council
Its got just a much honesty integrity !
ie NONE. !
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A rare case of a (semi) controlled C-19 experiment is happening in Victoriastan.
Since yesterday mask wearing has been compulsory in public.
It will be interesting to see the C-19 transmission rates beyond the incubation period of the infection.
What’s your prediction?
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With respect to mask wearing what I have seen is a high level of compliance, starting from Monday,.
What has not happened, according to Premier Dan, is people with mild symptoms self isolating.
Will masks work? I think they will. One more week should be enough to see the start.
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Tony Heller’s graphs for mask wearing’s ability to slow contagion in California (1 mth) and New Mexico (2 mths) aren’t encouraging, if they are accurate? From his ‘No correlation is causation’ vid.
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If Melbourne was not in lockdown now the city would be experiencing more than 3000 new cases just today and 6000/day by next Monday. The lockdown has already got the reproduction rate regularly below 1. It was up around 2 just 14 days ago.
Mask will create a further reduction.
Eliminating the holes in the contact tracing and quarantining using the military personnel will also help.
It is quite clear that there are some brain challenged in responsible positions in Victoria. They have been repeatedly outdone by the single minded virus. The virus does not play politics; it has made a habit of highlighting incompetence, which is in ample supply in Victoria. It just does what it does relentlessly providing there are enough silly people around to host it and pass it on.
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It will just re-occur, but if I’m right about the current version of the virus being a wimpy derivative of the original, you could just let it run through the community and be done with it….
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I predict the masks will achieve nothing. They are less about a public health issue than a political solidarity – wear the mask, show your support for Government efforts, demonize those who do not wear the mask.
If it was about health, then why would a scarf or bandanna be acceptable? It’s a political uniform. Those who enthusiastically adopt mask wearing generally are the leftists. First in line to display their political solidarity, and virtue, was that bunch of ABC journos photographing themselves proudly masked.
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How does anyone determine an “enthusiastic” mask wearer and therefore “leftists”?
If it is a bandana worn “enthusiastically” are they leftist, central or rightists?
If they have a surgical mask hanging from their arm while jogging are they leftist, centre or rightist?
My impression during a short drive to get firewood this morning is that EVERY individual I saw out walking in my neighbourhood were complying with the legal requirement to wear masks. I could not discern if they were “enthusiastic” wearers and therefore the color of their politics. Two had black masks – maybe they suypport BLM. Mine was a grey swirly thing that my wife put together from cloth she had in the sewing room. But I promise I did not wear it “enthusiastically” as I am generally regarded as right of Genghis. I pulled it down when I was swinging the log splitter as I was on private property, all alone and it is heart pumping exercise.
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That’s strange! I have been using a mask while shopping for many weeks now. I am far from being a leftist or supporter of Ghengis Dan of Victoriastan.
I just happen to think a mask makes sense at present.
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Genghis! Too late, brain dead from doing a lot of wood-stacking earlier. 🙁
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Melbournistan actually
I guess you can say anything as the non mask case will never be known now. It only started yesterday but cases seem to be peaking anyway.
Whatever makes people feel good I guess
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Our local area isn’t under the mask requirement rules but today there were very many masked people around the town; first time I’ve seen that.
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Good idea I think, the population is rather skewed to the grey haired set and just a tad to close to Melbourne for comfort.
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Joe Biden has done it again…
https://youtu.be/jcOeEA0JIVw
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Hard to imagine Americans are dumb enough to elect him as the next President. Let’s wait and see. I expect Trump to win comfortably but if not then good luck US.
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If Trump doesn’t win it’s not only the end of the US but Western Civilisation in general. The Left will go free range.
Trump is the only leader with significant military and economic power behind him that supports Western Civilisation and also knows about the lie of anthropogenic global warming.
The only way the Dems will win is through extensive voter fraud plus Trump’s only voice being cut off by Twitter. Social media are already censoring him and restricting his reach plus Google and YouTube search results are biased against him. Those are real dangers to Trump’s re-election.
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I think it is voter fraud that will be the kicker, with Nancy pushing for a postal vote. I can’t find the link, but there are already reports of Democrats boasting that they have registered their cats and dogs to vote. Add this to the army of illegal immigrant non-citizens and the miraculous dead who voted Democrat last time, and you have a real problem for Trump.
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As for the destiny of the West it doesn’t matter if Trump wins or not. Who is in power for the next 4 years will make some difference in the short term but long term it will make no difference. I’m more worried about what happens after 2024.
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I aint gonna miss out this time.
I am not a gambler, but am putting a bet on PDT to win this time.
Just watching the odds for the right time.
PDT has gone from $1.10 for a win to $2.70.
Biden, the favourite, is still at $1.10.
Four months to go, and the debates.
I have a friend who won $300k on the last election!
Just a couple of hundred for this non-gambler.
Of course you could bet on popcorn futures, because, as Rita Panahi said, “There isn’t enough popcorn in the world for when Trump debates Biden.”
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I have this sneaking suspicion that, at the moment, Joe Biden is just ‘the name’ the Democrats have put up.
Come time for the Democrat Convention, and the ‘real’ candidate will be released on the public. Joe Biden will find an excuse to gracefully withdraw, most probably using the old ‘Russian excuse’ ….. for health related reasons.
As to debates, I think they will also not be held, you know, Covid and all that, nudge nudge wink wink.
And anyway, it’ll all be mail in voting, so the result is already a foregone conclusion.
Oh, and that ‘catchy’ Democrat slogan they have now, you know ….. Build Back Better.
Have a look what UN GenSec Gutteres said back on April 22: (shown at this link)
Democrat agenda equals UN agenda.
Tony.
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If Biden gets in , the direction of his masters (as he is no longer really functional) mean the the US as we knew it is over. After a couple of year of riding the coat tails of the past , I think the end of his first term will see a world of national hurt along the lines of Seattle/Portland/NYC/Baltimore/Chicago/Detroit/Minneapolis. Not a US basher by any means, and have been a frequent visitor over many decades. Its been sad to watch its decline, in some cases like California its hard to beleive how fast the wheels came off.
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A solution offered to solve the rising sea level problems.
Current research indicates that there are many factors affected by sea levels. The extreme low spring tides leaved the Great Barrier Reef corals exposed to lots more Ultra-violet sunlight causing bleaching that will destroy the GBR eventually. Coastal flooding is often caused by storm surges at times when those spring tides are happening; as the sea levels rise these flooding events will become the norm rather than caused by extreme weather events.
The Global temperature rise is blamed for the rising sea levels and that temperature rise is blamed upon increasing atmospheric CO2. It is therefore that a method that can address these effects is being sought. This essay is a proposal to address all those factors, simple yet mathematically provable.
Twice a month a large rocket ship is to blast off from the earth carrying lots of sequestered CO2. Initially 10 tons, but as the process develops can be increased significantly.
The rockets will be bound for the moon where they will impact either the north pole or south pole regions when the moon is at perigee or a perigee.
This will over time alter the moon’s orbit so that instead of spring and neap tides our tides which must be preserved, will be much more constant. They will be north south movements rather than east west movements but they will still be nice and regular.
The tide levels will be almost constant when the lunar orbit is at 90 degrees to the earths orbit around the sun instead of being in the same plane as it is now.
The positive effects of sending all that CO2 to the moon is that once it impacts the moon it can never return to earth; this will ultimately have a real effect upon the CO2 cycle.
If you want the proof that this will work you need a masters degree in Math and another in Obfuscation, but it will undoubtedly work.
My back of envelope math gives a time scale of 10 years to see a one arc second difference in the moons orbit and a reduction of two millimeters in spring tide levels at a cost of around $60 billion.
Cheap at twice the cost.
/sarc off
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At 383 ppm of CO2 the mass of it in earth’s atmosphere is 2.996×10^12 tonnes.
It’s a lot to remove but it should be easy to sell the idea to a Leftist.
Mass of moon is 7.3×10^19 tonnes.
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Just pump it into space via an orbital tether – much simpler
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I think Red Thumb Troll took a day off yesterday.
He/she/it was getting their programming updated.
It was showing dangerous signs of being able to think for itself.
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I am puzzled by what possible difference they think it makes, apart of course, from making posters think they must be on the right track
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When does influence transition into coercion- and perhaps even blackmail?
https://www.9news.com.au/videos/health/coronavirus-wa-billionaire-kerry-stokes-quarantine-exemption-questioned/ckcynw70d00190hpyq3zq1sf2
Kerry Stokes skipped Quarantine after flying in to Perth from Aspen which was at that time a hot spot in the USA!
Who you going to trust.
This story likely to be deleted other links already gone.
KS has significant business ties.
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SA member to re-fund $30,000 he received for expenses he claimed for being in Adelaide when he was NOT in Adelaide.
Nice rort $600 a week!
Guess he will repay to avoid closer scrutiny of his trough dipping.
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If he wasn’t a politician I would imagine that type of thing would attract criminal charges.
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David , In Britain it did
A list of those who did time for expenses corruption/false accounting
E Illsley – labour
E Morley- Labour
J Devine- Labour
D Chaytor – Labour
D McShane – Labour
Can you spot a trend there?
Reference:
https://www.politicshome.com/news/article/political-prisoners-the-mps-who-have-served-jail-time
BTW , note to mods : I did double check that the fore- mentioned MPs were indeed charged, found guilty and srved time in prison.
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I still have the UK Daily Telegraph booklet insert about the expenses scandal.
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We had the same same in VIC, claiming allowances for a nominal address in regional VIC while living in the burbs. Doesnt matter the State or the Party. They are pollies, snout.in.trough
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Buried in The Australian (page 16) is an article on the problems in the electricity sector. Kerry Schott, chair of the federal govt. Energy Security Board warns that coal plants are struggling because they only run a few hours a day and with reductions in electricity prices to $40 a MWh may not be able to make a profit. She claims that we could soon lose 15GW capacity in coal fired which would be replaced by 30GW of renewables.
I have pointed out in the comments that 30GW of wind would be 8.6GW delivered some of the time.
With (wishful) thinking like that they should change the name to Energy INSecurity Board.
P.S. for TonyfromOz she claims that Eraring power station is only running at less than 10% of capacity because of frequent undercutting by solar, wind and brown coal.
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Yesterday, 23Jul2020, pretty much an average day for Eraring, averaged 2206MW for the 24 hours at a Capacity Factor of 76.6%.
Macarthur Wind plant (the largest wind plant in Australia) averaged 14MW at a Capacity Factor of 3.3%.
Eraring delivered 52.95GWH of generated power to the grid,
EVERY wind plant in Australia with a Nameplate of 7728MW (Eraring multiplied by 2.7) delivered 23.54GWH of generated power to the grid. (Eraring divided by 2.2)
Or, as Audrey might say ….. “Hey look over there, that guy’s not wearing a mask.”
Tony.
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Thank you Tony; I thought it as B.S. but had to go elsewhere and couldn’t check.
Still, the AEMO is playing with disaster if they allow more subsidised renewables to have priority access to the grid. It is surely time for a rethink of this whole mess.
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Useful info Tony. It’s two days later and I just checked NemWatch. SA wind at 2.5% capacity and Vic at 4.7% This was at 0400hrs CST.
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The only way to convince the “renewables crowd” is to shut down the coal fired plants for a few days.
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“Kerry Schott, chair of the federal govt.”
“…. warns that coal plants are struggling because they only run a few hours a day….”
UNFKNBLVABL
How many hindreds of thousands a year are we paying for someone to be this stupid?
Where does she imagine most of Australia’s electrical energy comes from?
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That she’s one of Malcolm Turnbull’s pets explains everything.
All these energy quangos will likely disappear in the coming economic collapse and the likes of Kerry Schott will ignore our knowing giggles and scramble for the dwindling remains of the political largesse that has sustained their parasitic predations up to now.
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Finally had time to study the Hepburn Wind farm annual report. My summation is that they would have had an annual loss of $200,000 if their income wasn’t been propped up by subsidies. How they will survive in future years with reducing subsidies and increasing maintenance will be interesting.
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Thanks for looking at that Graeme#4.
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Here is a woke eco video from seven years ago about the Hepburn wind subsidy farm. In seven years just 162 views, including mine…
https://youtu.be/ftiuOfGFxeo
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Thanks David. From the video I gained an impression that it has cost the co-op over $7m to establish the wind farm. Even if the existing profits continue at their current rate, which I doubt, it will take around 12.5 years to pay off the debt, and that’s assuming no major maintenance costs in that time. And of course if the subsidies continue to drop, then the payback period must surely lengthen out to the turbine lifetime.
It’s interesting to note that the annual report warns of reducing subsidies, and their lobbying efforts to try and obtain more subsidies.
And not to be deterred, they have managed to obtain a $500,000 grant for a solar farm study…
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I agree David, and I am waiting to see the first of a landslide of wind and solar “farms” announcing closure, replacement of worn out equipment would absorb the profits and more achieved during the first stage working life.
See sale of the majority of Infigen Energy, (Born Lucky shareholder of business reinvented for Australia, migrated from the USA).
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I don’t know how co ordinated it is, and maybe I’m just getting awfully paranoid, but it just seems that nothing is going to be allowed to work in the US before November? A creeping coup? From the pushing of blm marches, to blocking useful drugs, things are pushed to make any progress impossible. Maybe in December the Sun will just come bursting through?
From the ‘Ice age now’ site
Top epidemiologist – Up to 100,000 American lives could be saved with hydroxychloroquine
July 23, 2020 by Robert
“There has never been a medical deception so vast.” “HCQ has become a political drug, not a medical drug.” “State medical boards are threatening doctors over its use. The doctors are being targeted for actually saving lives.”
21 Jul 2020 – Dr. Harvey Risch, MD, PhD, the top epidemiologist at Yale University at the Yale School of Public Health, made this stunning announcement on Laura Ingraham’s show on Fox last night; that if the FDA would allow all U.S. physicians to do what many of them are already doing – that is treating COVID-19 patients with hydroxychloroquine – up to 100,000 American could be saved in the next 6 months.
“We’re basically fighting a propaganda war against the medical facts,” says Dr Risch. “(Hydroxychloroquine’s use) would be game changing.”
“I didn’t know you could have so much corruption in the medical field,” says Laura Ingraham. “Hydroxychloroquine has been in use for more than 65 years.”
So why would HCQ be so important? “Because if it becomes widely believed that there is a cure – and possibly a preventative for COVID-19, then this entire debate about masks – what masks – and shutting down the economy and not reopening schools – all of that becomes moot instantly.
“And what does that do? Kills off this main exploit the Chinese communists have been using to cripple the United States and to cripple President Trump – their strongest enemy among American Presidents ever!”
“Never before in human history has such a huge percentage of the world of medicine been deceptively swayed by the world of politics. They claim to still follow the scientific method – but they are not! They have been pressured into not following the scientific method – not following the science.”
“It’s incredible that thousands of physicians on the front-line of this war against COVID-19 know it works. They take it for themselves and their families, yet so many will not speak out for fear losing their medical licenses.
“That’s why it’s taken so long to sink in – because it’s unprecedented that physicians at the top would lie to the American public on such a dangerously large scale.”
“Wow! There has never been a medical deception so vast that it will deliberately cost up to 100,000 additional American lives – that could easily be saved – if only President Trump would place one call to the new head of the FDA, Commissioner Stephen M. Hahn … and tell him to rescind his order which forbade physicians from using their own best judgments with their patients when it comes to legacy drugs already proven to be safe and effective for other indications like HCQ and Ivermectin.
“This will eventually come out. Dr. Faustus will not be able to hide the facts forever.”
“Thank God, Dr. Risch is sticking to his guns at Yale!”
See video on The Still Report:
https://www.bitchute.com/video/QFxLsJtmsRNK/#video-watch
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Thanks F c,
I share your sentiments and frustrations, and have just sent a full copy of your comment to our Prime Minister and the NSW Premier, with just a brief comment and link to your reply.
Thank you again,
Dave B
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Actually I dont hold up any hope. The left’s HR ‘March through the Institutions’, has left all our bureaucracies, and now private companies, stacked with left leaning minions. They aren’t what you need in challenging times, these are mind-sets that love a good committee. There’s not a lot of vision there! Or even pragmatism.
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Forget about responsibility. Has there ever been a committee taking responsibility for anything?
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I work for a large oil & gas service company, and we have the ability to fill out an online career history viewable by everyone in the company. My (female) boss just suggested that we all change our photos on said career histories to show that we support women.
Talk about the soft bigotry of low expectations.
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how does a pic show you support women?
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Technically – as people do on Facebook etc – add some sort of virtue signalling overlay or frame to their profile pic.
Realistically – it does nothing positive or helpful for anyone, of course…!
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Would a picture of a male employee hugging a Hooters’ girl work?
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Well! Would you believe?
CDC made another “mistake”! Counted flu and pneumonia as covid. Florida dropped from 90,000 to 11,000
https://www.redpowermagazine.com/forums/topic/128041-corona-virus/page/50/?tab=comments#comment-1453339
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Yes, I suspect there is a lot of those “mistakes” going on.
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https://cbs12.com/news/local/i-team-deaths-incorrectly-attributed-to-covid-19-in-palm-beach-county
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — A 60-year-old man who died from a gun shot wound to the head.
A 90-year-old man who fell and died from complications of a hip fracture.
A 77-year-old woman who died of Parkinson’s disease.
These are some of the deaths in Palm Beach County recently, and incorrectly, attributed to COVID-19 in medical examiner records.
Also: Ignored by the Media and Dr. Fauci: Nearly Twice as Many Children and Young Adults Died from Flu than from China Coronavirus in Past Year
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/07/ignored-media-dr-fauci-nearly-twice-many-children-young-adults-died-flu-china-coronavirus-past-year/
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Sars-Cov-2, a working day:
7-23 India 45.6/380= 12% increase/day new cases/active cases https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/
Brazil 653/5613= 11.6% increase/day
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/brazil
Mexico 6.86/81.8= 8.4% increase/day https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/mexico
South Africa 13.1/152.6= 8.6% increase/day https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/south-africa
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What?
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“David Bidstrup guest post. Singapore sting.”
https://catallaxyfiles.com/2020/07/23/david-bidstrup-guest-post-singapore-sting/
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I wonder which industry super funds will “invest” other peoples money in this project
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“You Can’t Make This Stuff Up”
https://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2020/07/23/you-cant-make-this-stuff-up/
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I hope this law student, Katta O’Donnell, fails and gets stuck with a huge legal bill but given the recent ruling on the Peter Ridd dismissal, I’m not hopeful
It’s laughable that she is actually endangering “her future” with the suit, given how it would make the Aussie govt bonds worth far less since all the climate change action that she is advocating would burden the economy even more than it already is.
Australian Government sued by 23-year-old Melbourne student over financial risks of climate change
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she is funded by some lefty orgainisation like getup, and is just the talking head
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And its highly likely her super fund was investing in the leftist agenda of climate scam,
so why change to bonds !
Perhaps she knew that the super investments were not sustainable.
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Sixty four wind plants, total Nameplate 7728MW, around 4100 individual wind towers.
So, of those 4100 wind towers, yesterday afternoon, just before 4PM, the total generated power was 154MW. 4100wind towers, and just 80 of them had their blades turning over.
That’s at a Capacity Factor of 2%.
That 154MW meant that wind generation was delivering just 0.6% of all the power being consumed at that time, so you’d need a magnifying glass to distinguish it from zero.
I can see those wind supporters now railing against me, calling me out for cherry picking.
Hey, I couldn’t care less what they say.
Just tell me that when wind power is all we have, what do we do when there are times like this?
Remind me again how much money has been
wastedspent on wind power.Tony.
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Yes Tony, but when the right battery storage is invented …….
wink!
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Tony I’ve been copying some of yours and Rowjays hard work and pasting it in the barrage of renewable energy posts of Facebook .
Best argument I’ve had yet was “yeah but coal is heavily subsidised” , never mind the fact if we were relying only on intermittent power we would never know if we would have power .
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Windmills were abundant in Europe in the late middle ages. Often for milling but also for pumping water in the Nederlands. The moment steam engines appeared, they all died because even though they worked, which is the point, wind is unreliable as an energy source and often inadequate. Nothing has changed except the druids in the Green party who worship sun, wind and water. So solar, windmills and tides. All failures, again. Solar is a bit different because it is absolutely guaranteed not to work at least half the time.
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Tony
No one cares what you think. Sad but true.
They are building more and more unreliable systems in every state and the pace is accelerating. The opinions of this echo chamber are dismissed as selfish whining from baby boomers who are collectively viewed by other generations as old and irrelevant.
I have given up as my time is limited and I am not wasting it banging my head against a brick wall fighting a losing battle. Just spent the last few hours walking with my wife and the dog enjoying the fantastic weather we are having in Adelaide today. So grateful for AGW for providing us with these beautiful warm winter days 😉
Well I am off to do some gardening.You keyboard warriors can stay indoors banging away at your keyboards wasting your time fighting the unwinnable war. Good luck boomers.
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What an extraordinary rant , you have no way of knowing the ages of the Jonovians even if true what difference would it make ?
If I can sow the seed of doubt in just one CAGW believer by using info from people like Tony I think that’s worthwhile .
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JanEarth, I wonder why you bother coming here? Some of us take an interest in our world and when things are wrong we want to try to do something about it. Maybe we are or will be unsuccessful, but remember what has been said; words to the effect that it is sufficient for evil to triumph if good men do nothing. I prefer to take part in the fight against evil, even if I get nowhere and go down in the attempt.
I also enjoyed the sun this afternoon; potted a couple of plants and stacked four (lawn-mower) trailer loads of newly split wood.
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PS I am a not quite fully grey-haired old dear who’s expecting to be a great-grandmother shortly!
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At that age she’s probably about to graduate and wants to put on a good performance for any woke law firms she might wish to work for.
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According to this article the biggest slum in India has so far pretty much escaped the scourge of Covid19 through the use of the drug that shall remain nameless because Donald Trump sang its praises .
https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/this-indian-slum-contained-a-possible-covid-19-disaster-with-hydroxychloroquine?utm_content=buffera45a9&utm_medium=LSN%2Bbuffer&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=LSN&fbclid=IwAR34jc8hDwdJrpIcdWRpoUF2S-IZe0jwU6on-DYSaZz03J4GcpKsk-UnA_0
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Yep.
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Thanks R R,
I reckon that’s a good a proof of the phophylactic value of the Zelenko protocol. And I’ll shout the name – hydroxychloroquine – with zinc and vitamin D.
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” Dharavi’s COVID-19 infection rate dropped drastically from April through June. In July, new infections were very low, almost reaching zero on July 9.
Officials have credited this turnaround to “[a] combination of hydroxychloroquine, vitamin D, and zinc tablets along with homeopathic medicines.” ”
Cheers,
Dave B
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We have a likely effective prophylaxis and treatment for early stage infection, the Zelenko protocol implemented *exactly*, but no one in the West wants to trial it or try it because “orange man bad”. A success for this treatment would be seen as a success for Trump and the Left would rather see people die than Trump be seen as successful.
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Yes David, It’s a mad, mad, world. Yr Post modernist academia say – data is of no account.
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Since it is practically impossible for Australian doctors to prescribe HCQ for C-19 and it’s now even hard for US doctors in certain states, Dr Zelenko said in one of his videos that if he or his patients can’t get HCQ, he uses quercetin as a substitute zinc ionophore. It is non-prescription but I couldn’t find an Australian shop that sold it but I bought an Australian made product online.
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Our local pharmacy was able to order some in for me, branded ‘Quercetain’, with 60pmg quercetin per tablet (or whatever, haven’t opened it yet).
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Quercetin is a plant pigment (flavonoid). It is found in many plants and foods, such as red wine, onions, green tea, apples, berries, Ginkgo biloba, St. John’s wort, American elder, and others. Buckwheat tea has a large amount of quercetin. People use quercetin as a medicine.
Quercetin is most commonly taken by mouth to treat conditions of the heart and blood vessels and prevent cancer. It is also used for arthritis, bladder infections, and diabetes. But there is limited scientific evidence to support these uses.
Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19): Quercetin may have benefit for some airway infections, but there is no good evidence to support using it for COVID-19. Follow healthy lifestyle choices and proven prevention methods instead.
How does it work?
Quercetin has antioxidant and anti-inflammatory effects which might help reduce inflammation, kill cancer cells, control blood sugar, and help prevent heart disease.
I favour dosing myself with red wine, but I must admit to also using onions, apples, and berries.
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It is not being used for those claimed benefits. It is being used specifically as a zinc ionophore in the same manner hydroxychloroquine is being used for C-19 treatment.
It is used if hydroxychloroquine is unavailable for C-19 early stage infection treatment or prophylaxis according to the Zelenko protocol (followed exactly). Doctors are not allowed to (or are highly restricted) to prescribe HCQ for this purpose in Australia so it might be the only option.
I suggest those interested Google “quercetin zinc ionophore” to look at scholarly papers on the subject.
https://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?q=quercetin+zinc+ionophore&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart
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Thx Annie. I will order some for the medicine chest, jest in case. 🙂
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600mg sorry, didn’t proof read properly.
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Morning Annie,
The Herbs of Gold product I bought, off the shelf, from my local health food store contains 500 mg of Quercetin dihydrate. I’ve not attempted to evaluate the significance of different formulations or dosages, but note that the recommended intake, according to the bottle, is 3 tablets per day. I’ve opted for just one initially, partly to test myself for any adverse reaction (none), and partly because my current risk of exposure is low.
As David M mentions, I’m taking it because of its properties as a zinc ionophore, a property it shares with hydroxychloroquine.
If I thought I’d been exposed I would increase my dosage to the 3 per day, spaced about every 6-8 hours as I understand it doesn’t last long inside us. Unlike vitamin D which does accumulate.
Cheers
Dave B
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Thanks David, interesting. My bottle recommends 3 tablets taken singly daily. I haven’t tried any yet. I do take VitC, VitD, VitK2 and Zn, also a small amount of olive leaf extract.
I also enjoy a couple or so Pink Gins in the evening!
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According to the CDC (via National Center for Health Statistics), between January 2, 2020 and July 11, 2020:
If you can believe their data, they have separated “pneumonia” from “pneumonia + COVID-19” from “COVID-19” from “Influenza”.
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Get woke, go broke.
Coon cheese is changing its name.
I will no longer buy Coon cheese. It was named after the person who invented the fast maturation process, not a racial slur. Morons!
From Wikipedia:
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I’ll buy it while still labelled Coon. Once that changes, I will boycott it.
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It’ll soon be like America. You have to be careful not to ask for black coffee or black tea or white coffee or white bread. And you have to ask for coffee with cream, which is not what you want. I have no idea how you ask for such things as black paint? And negro means black. Coon doesn’t. It doesn’t mean anything.
As for tea, don’t bother. No one boils the water. I wondered about that in Colorado until I realised that they cannot boil water for tea at 6,000′ and above. It only gets to 92C or less. I just couldn’t find a kettle anywhere. And the coffee is stewed.
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Re this
“Spare a thought for the Coons in the phone-book. Cancel culture up close and personal.”
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2020/07/spare-a-thought-for-all-the-coons-in-the-phone-book-what-does-cancel-culture-hold-for-them.html
Can that clan sue for mis-appropriation of their surname?
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Hey look over there, it’s a rac ….. umm, Procyon.
Tony.
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What about these place names?
Coonamble.
Coonalpyn.
Coonooer.
Coonawarra.
Coongulmerang.
Coonabarabran.
Coongulla.
Coongie Lakes.
Etc..
The dumbing down of Australia is complete.
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And Blackall QLD, Blackheath NSW ,Blackwater QLD, Blackwood VIC.
They could all be changed to Coon, apparently.
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The New York Times has decreed that when referring to black people, of any culture, that they are termed Black. On the other hand, brown and white people remain lower-case.
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I can’t make up my mind whether apotheosis or sacrilege is the message of this NYT editorial decree, after all only the deity gets the capitalized “Him”.
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And Blackburn in Melbourne.
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“Michael Schellenberger: “Apocalypse Never” Slide Deck”
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/07/24/michael-schellenberger-apocalypse-never-slide-deck/
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“Australia Considers a New Household Solar Energy “Export” Tax”
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/07/23/south-australia-considers-a-new-household-solar-energy-export-tax/
And comments
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“It Looks Like the Czech Republic Might Get a Second Amendment ”
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/it-looks-like-the-czech-republic-might-get-a-second-amendment/
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Tony Heller’s latest video called “You Decide” about C-19.
https://youtu.be/htClxyZKp1Y
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I have always wondered about that. The left always want to disarm everyone. Ordinary Americans. The American police. And Bernie Sanders has just added an amendment to a billl which started defunding of the military, at least 10% to go to social causes, except that it sounds very much like they want Americans not to have guns, police or an army. Now why would that be?
After all in WWII we had guns without bullets, anti aircraft guns in Darwin without shells or training. We were helpless. And the Americans came. Their four aircraft carriers changed the war. It was what the Japanese wanted in Pearl Harbour but they had put to sea. And they saved both countries.
If we have a war with anyone, we fully expect to call on the Americans, just as we did before. Understandably the British never turned up. And surrendered our troops in Singapore. In fact we had a terrible time just trying to get our own troops back from Europe to defend our own shores.
But if America is attacked, who would come to their aid? England? Germany? France? Japan? Certainly not us.
In Venezuela the public are disarmed. The police are armed. THe gangs run by Maduro are armed. The 30,000 guest troops from Cuba and China and RUssia are armed. And the people are starving. That’s socialism for you.
Americans learned in their war of independence that you needed guns and boats and cannons. The French supplied them. And soldiers, admirals and generals. It’s why they won, but when the Constitution amendments were written, they remembered how helpless they were. Just like us.
And of course their enemies want them disarmed. Then who defends anyone?
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Sorry, that was in relation to #40, a second amendment for Czech.
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I am intensely irritated when I hear people talking with a “high rising terminal” speech pattern. It is mostly, if not exclusively, Leftists that speak like this. If you ever listen to Their ABC (Australia) it’s extremely common among their woke hosts and guests.
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A case of terminal rising infection?
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A comment on the weather. For a change.
It’s going to be cold in Melbourne tonight. <2C. Clear skies. And warms up 2C per hour when the sun comes up as if the sun is all that matters.
But what happened to that thicker, warmer constant CO2 blanket? After all, a warmer blanket should be most noticeable retaining heat on those cold clear nights where all the heat radiates into the night sky, not hot days in terms of degrees. And that would be nice. Except it does not seem to be true.
And warmer nights that would push the 'average up' without making the days any much hotter at all. So called Global Warming of this 'world temperature' averaged across the seasons, latitudes, countries and night and day must be more about warmer nights than hotter days and who has a problem with that? But that's just the science of blankets. Clearly a 50% rise in CO2 must have a devastating effect somewhere. it's just tough to find it.
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It was 0C here at midnight.
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I object to calling devices that have blades spun by the wind when it blows to generate expensive and intermittent electricity “turbines”. Turbines are generally properly engineered systems that do something useful. Wind powered subsidy harvesting devices do not deserve the title “turbine”.
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Agreed, but turbine is very general. Many modern cars have Turbines or Turbo. Generally any rotary fluid/air driven motor.
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One of my joys found on the Internet is to read the articles on the web site “Stop These Things, The truth about the great wind power fraud.”
https://stopthesethings.com/
Lots of pics of these clean and green monstrosities pouring out black smoke as they burn.
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Step one in the US is that we resegregate culturally.
Vast numbers of conservative people leave the blue states for the red ones.
https://www.uhaul.com/Articles/About/19965/U-Haul-Names-Top-Growth-States-Of-2019-Florida-Is-New-No-1/
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America is getting older. People want the warmth and safety and the cities are getting old. And downtown far too dangerous, especially with the Burn, Loot, Murder peaceful protests.
Only 13% of the population but 44% of the murders are by black people and 50% of the burglaries. By far the most violent group in American society. All due to slavery apparently. Of course they want the police to stop victimizing them.
The facts are that George Floyd was a very large violent thug, 6’4″ and 223 pound he was convicted eight times in eight years of aggravated assault, armed robbery and jailed three times. And with amphetamines and fentanyl in his system, almost impossible to restrain even with three people. Who is to keep people safe from such habitual violent criminals? Social workers and mental health consultants?
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TdeF
Around that area
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/index.php/2020/07/24/shaping-the-evidence-to-fit-the-narrative/
Plus comments and link
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But TdeF Black Lies Matter!
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Now that Coon cheese, named after Edward William Coon (1871–1934) of Philadelphia, is gone, what are other people who bear his name meant to do?
Origin of surname
QUOTE
The surname Coon was first found in Ayrshire (Gaelic: Siorrachd Inbhir Àir), formerly a county in the southwestern Strathclyde region of Scotland, that today makes up the Council Areas of South, East, and North Ayrshire.
About the year 1050, it is said that Warnebald Cunningham saved King Malcolm Canmore by hiding him in the barn and covering him with hay concealing him from his pursuer the Pretender King, MacBeth. The grateful King Malcolm later bestowed on Warnebald the lands of Cunningham and the motto “Over Fork Over.” [1]
https://www.houseofnames.com/coon-family-crest
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A letter from Dr. Zelenko to President Trump recommending adopting the HCQ+ zinc therapy for covid-19.
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2020/07/letter-to-president-trump-from-us-doctor-behind-hydroxychloroquine-study-urges-widespread-adoption-o.html
After reading the letter you need to scroll down to read the associated information.
Perhaps (almost certainly) a way of opening up the economy and still keeping people safe.
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Credit to Michael Smith News that always seems to be abreast of common sense information.
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FYI
https://www.redpowermagazine.com/forums/topic/128041-corona-virus/page/50/?tab=comments#comment-1453665
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Ha Ha Ha.
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Went up to Euroa today for lunch in the park with our daughter from Wangaratta. Lovely riverside park in Euroa , and just across the street is a car park with Tesla chargers. I was thinking maybe if we got lucky we might be able to watch a Tesla burning. Sadly, as ususal, the chargers were all unoccupied.
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It is a lovely park we usually stop on the way home from Melbourne to Glenrowan.
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Schadenfreude frustrated. Be patient!
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We might be lucky sometime!
Yes, it is a lovely park. Have stopped there a few times on the way to Wangaratta.
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