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Powerful: Protesters Spell Out ‘Love’ With Burning Homes

The Babylon Bee “reports”

Minneapolis, protests, Babylon Bee, Satire.

Powerful: Protesters Spell out ‘Love’ with Burning Homes

MINNEAPOLIS, MN—In a powerful display of their care for love and justice, protesters in Minneapolis burned the word “LOVE” into the city, arranging the inspiring message with homes and businesses set ablaze by their riots.

Heartfelt and moving.

The Bee is Dan Coats.

Be aware, the Bee’s point is very serious, but the reporting isn’t.

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Commentators, due to Section 18C in Australia it’s illegal to discuss race or color since it may offend someone somewhere. Therefore the words black, white, yellow, red, skin, color, indigenous, indian, african, eskimo, asian,  european, sub-saharan, BLM, WLM, ALM, will go straight to moderation, and can only be published after Section 18C is repealed in 2073AD or thereabouts. We can have a no color conversation. Which means, we here, have arrived in Martin Luther King’s world, ahead of the protestors and looters:

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation

where they will not be judged by the color of their skin,

but by the content of their character.

I have a dream that one day political parties will not seek to divide and segregate nations by skin color.

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175 comments to Powerful: Protesters Spell Out ‘Love’ With Burning Homes

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      John PAK

      I reckon we can say “Human Lives Matter” or are humans some wretched feral pest on Gia’s planet now?

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    Peter Fitzroy

    Also doing their bit to get CO2 levels back to their pre covid levels

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      yarpos

      it never varied from its relentless, terrifying rise

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        AndyG55

        Yep, the very large dip in human emissions has had ZERO effect on the natural rise of atmospheric CO2.

        Onwards and upwards. :-)

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          David Wojick

          Nor did it speed up when our emissions tripled in just a few decades. It is clearly independent of our emissions.

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            AndyG55

            I assume you have seen this paper

            We find a high degree of co-variation between all data series except 7) and 8)

            7) CDIAC data on release of anthropogene CO2

            8) GWP data on volcanic eruptions.

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              r.b.

              Funny how easily its accepted that any strong correlation in monthly rise of CO2 with emissions is muffled by the many other sources and sinks of natural origin, but nobody finds the strong correlation with HadSST2 sea surface data troubling, even though the latter isn’t the reason for global CO2 levels rising.

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          Roy Hogue

          Every black preacher has his message to the world about why black lives matter, and they do, but not for the hare filled rhetoric of the black preacher. All. Lives. Matter.

          You cannot succeed by sowing hatred and destruction,.

          If black America want’s to be seen this way I can’t stop them. But God does not sleep. woe be to the black preachers who stir up this hatred.

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            Roy Hogue

            Thanks for the spelling corrections, Jo. Some way or another you save my bacon from the flames.

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    WXcycles

    We’ve gradually entered a new COVID-19 growth phase over the past 3 weeks, but the acceleration of new active cases has only become apparent during the past week, due to major retrospective editing by USA and Brazil which served to mask the rise of the global active cases.

    Daily Cases, Daily Deaths and Daily Actives CURVES from Feb 3rd to June 7th:

    https://i.ibb.co/hKQwLNL/Infection-Curves-7th-June-2020.png

    The change in active cases reveals what’s been occurring:

    https://i.ibb.co/1sL7MGN/Change-in-Actives.png

    New cases confirms the acceleration trend:

    https://i.ibb.co/Vwh1LQ7/Daily-new-cases-are-no-longer-flat.png

    The political left’s fake ‘protest’ nonsense and the idiotic fake-libertarian rejection of isolation, during an economy-destroying pandemic, is playing right into China’s hands. IMHO, in both cases, it’s just anarchists hijacking public debate, and undermining sound policy.

    Whether they’re left-wing anarchists, or right-wing anarchists, the outcome will be the same, Communist China will rule the globe in 2025, because the West was too polarized, sectarian and delusional to save itself from its own stupid public ‘discussion’ and bottom of the trash can media.

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      David Wojick

      The pandemic did not destroy the economy. The panic did that.

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        Bill In Oz

        No David, the government response strategy in the USA did it.
        Here in Oz the targeted sectors in hospitality, catering sports, mass events, etc closed down
        And suffered but got government assistance. to keep employees on the books at $1500 a fortnight.per employee.
        But even are now re-opening gradually here.

        Each country will have a different story to tell about the economic consequences depending on the effectiveness of the country’s economic response.

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        JanEarth

        David W

        I see no evidence what so ever that the economy is ‘destroyed’. Even after 1929 it recovered so I doubt your claim will ever be proven. Your use of stratospheric hyperbole has been duly noted and your opinion has been downgraded accordingly.

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          AndyG55

          “your opinion has been downgraded accordingly.”

          Lots more posts needed until he reaches the “zero” status of your opinion.

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        WXcycles

        It’s a global dataset David, the world is bigger than the West or the US, Brazil, and many other economically flimsy countries do not concur, it’s been economy-destroying. Even China recognizes this fact, they just delayed all repayments on ‘belt and road’ debt for other countries.

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      Orson

      WXcycles writes “ Whether they’re left-wing anarchists, or right-wing anarchists, the outcome will be the same,” Chinese dominance
      .
      As to the first question, the only right-wing riot threat mentioned is one I’ve never heard of before. Therefore, they are very much likely outnumbered by the one currently talked about.

      Numbers? 16 deaths, 9 of whom may be the tall people. So, small compared to South LA in 1992 which suffered some 60. However, I’ve heard that property damage may be larger than then.

      As to Chinese domination? I’ve heard from several sources that moving supply chains out of China to Vietnam, Philippines, Myanmar, Bangladesh, is quite popular and ongoing. Leaders and corps can see that things will be changing a lot, after the virus crisis,

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    (text of the 911 call)

    “Hello, what’s your emergency?”

    “I need the police. A snip has just robbed the bank, and shot four people with a semi automatic.”

    “I can send an Ambulance, but the police have been defunded. There are none.”

    “Too late, he’s shooting again.”

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    PeterS

    Indeed it’s a strange world where masses of people can say **** lives matter and burn buildings without fear yet if anyone dares says **** lives matter or all lives matter even without burning anything they are stomped upon as though they are evil and dangerous, and risk being arrested for racism or some other crime. I wonder how far the burning and looting will go before all hell breaks loose and people start shooting each other. I wish it will never get to that point but I think it’s inevitable because the extreme left will not give, especially if Trump wins the next election, which appears very likely.

    [*Edits are an 18C protest. - jo]

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      PeterS

      How come all the news media and other blog sites I’ve visited in Australia are free to use the the term “**** lives matter”? Jo you are being obtuse.

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        Peter C

        All Lives Matter Equally. Anything Else is Racism.

        That is all I want to say.

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          PeterW

          C….
          I hear you, but I must disagree.

          It is not racism to say that my family matter more TO ME than you and yours.
          Nor is it racism to say that The innocent may matter more than the guilty.

          Maybe I’m groping for a definition of “matter”. I agree with Jordan Peterson tgat the idea that all individuals have an equal inherent worth, yet I don’t see as contradictory the idea that we do not blindly treat every life as equally worth preserving and protecting.

          I think the difference is that race is not a matter of choice. Doing drugs and preying in the innocent…… is.

          Cheers….. W.

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            PeterS.

            If it’s racist to say X lives matter, then it’s racist to say Z lives matter.

            One rule for all.

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              PeterS

              No, it’s not one rule for all. As I said, the phrase in question is being blasted across all media sites, TV programs (including the ABC) and blogs sites I’ve visited. You are the only one as far as I know who has banned it.

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                Just using their rules and applying them systematically instead of as a hypocritical, political weapon.

                We wouldn’t want to offend anyone, except the Human Rights Commission.

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              The failure to talk about the real issues becomes a problem when the words required to talk about those real issues are considered politically incorrect. Considering difficult issues too politically incorrect to discuss is a cop out used by progressives to evade the truth when it contradicts their position. Legislation like your 18C would be unconstitutional here, even as many progressive democrats want those kind of oppressive laws.

              There is no race prejudice issue in the US, we are the least racist country in the world, unless you consider all the prejudicial attacks targeting Trump and conservatives. BTW, racism is characterized by hate of a group, where those in the group do not necessarily have the same skin color.

              The real problem here is that inner city young men, most of whom happen to be of a particular race, have more interactions with the police because they engage in more crime and have more harsh interactions with the police as the result of attempting to avoid arrest and the frustration of the cops who keep arresting the same people for the same crimes over and over again.

              This is not because of their race, but because the role models they look up to are gang bangers, pimps, thieves and other criminals who entice them with the fast money of a criminal life. In these inner cities, despite what you might think, their progressive leadership directs the police to be lax on crime, as evidenced by the initial weak response to the rioting, looting and arson until long after the damage was done and these criminals were emboldened to engage in even more crime.

              BTW, it looks like the image is photo shopped. You do know that the Babylon Bee is a satirical publication which doesn’t emphasize real news.

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                CO2isnotevil. That image is absolutely photoshopped. The Bee is entirely satirical as I hinted in the post. I didn’t want to spell it out, but figured people may not be familiar with it.

                The progressives are destroying language word by word, but since they also control quite a few courts, there are better ways to get the message across.
                My comments are as much a satire against Section 18C as the Bee is against the Riots.

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                Interestingly enough, the image has been carried by other sources without the disclaimer that it’s a fake. This illustrates another problem with progressives, they’re far too gullible when it comes to fake news that supports otherwise unsupportable positions. CNN has basically made this their business model.

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                Having to label Satire as fake news almost defeats the purpose, though I guess Jon Stewart did call The Daily Show — the most trusted name in Fake News.

                I would not expect CNN to carry it without some sort of framing to clue people in…

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                You would hope that as an international news organization, CNN would be that responsible…

                While I’m not sure if CNN ever reported on this image, they consistently call out of context sound bites and/or unsubstantiated rumors accompanied with partisan rhetoric news. They never frame what they report in a proper context, at least on air, while the on line versions generally have more context, it’s still always horribly skewed. Even worse is that when their misrepresentations are uncovered, rather than admit they were wrong, they double down on the lies and partisan rhetoric.

                I’ve been flipping between CNN and FOX hard news shows to compare the coverage. FOX has been pretty good at showing all sides and letting the viewer make up their own minds, while CNN attempts to make up the viewers mind for them by selectively reporting only what fits the narrative, dismissing much of the violence as a necessary response and continuously pushing hate and partisan rhetoric, even to the point of blaming Trump for the violence.

                CNN no longer reports news and has morphed into a purveyor of hate driven by TDS that’s so misguided and wrong, what they report doesn’t even deserve being called news, fake or not. This is why FOX is cleaning their clock in the ratings, especially now that most of what’s on TV are the summer reruns.

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                Here’s another example of recent CNN bias.

                With regard to the Rosenstein hearing the other day, as far as I know, CNN never reported this on air, but the web site does report it.

                https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/03/politics/rod-rosenstein-testimony-russia-trump/index.html

                I watched the testimony live and the fox article is more representative of what was disclosed in the hearing as well as reporting much more of the relevant context and putting the most important disclosure at the top of the article, rather than burying it.

                https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rosenstein-defends-russia-probe-in-senate-testimony-faults-fbi-on-fisa-problems

                If the FISA warrant was denied, Mueller may still have gotten to investigate Russian interference, but investigating Trump and his associates as party to the interference could not have been legitimately included in the scope memo.

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                AndyG55

                “The failure to talk about the real issues becomes a problem when the words required to talk about those real issues are considered politically incorrect”

                Which is EXACTLY WHY certain terms get deemed to be politically incorrect.

                To stifle discussion.

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              GD

              One rule for all

              Except in Victoria. Tens of thousands of protesters allowed to march in the city, and then two days later, Vic police swoop on a small group of fishermen at Rye Pier on the Mornington Peninsula.

              As Bronwyn Bishop says, ‘one rule for the socialists and another rule for the rest of us’.

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              PeterS

              Jo you offended me and called me a hypocrite, unintentionally of course. You keep avoiding the issue. As I said everyone else is using the term freely. It proves you are the one out of touch and placing restrictions on free speech. The idea that people will be offended by that term is laughable, especially given those who are most likely to be offended are the ones using the very same term. There is no real fear of being taken to court over it. I repeat, you are being obtuse.

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                Bill In Oz

                Peter you have missed the point of the blog.
                It is a satirical way of of pointing out that 19(c) is wrong and needs to be eliminated from Australian Commonwealth law.

                The other issue is that the big media have the money to fight a complaint under this section
                And thus get more publicity and o course money.
                However Jo does not have access to those resources.
                And may not want to incite some idiotic attempt to shut her up
                As the JCU has attempted with Peter Ridd.

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                PeterS

                What satire? Just reality and facts. As for the lack of resources issue, what issue? The ruling is moot since everyone apart from Jo is talking about xxxx lives matter. Jo is alone on this and has succumbed to a non-existent fear.

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                Bill In Oz

                Peter, I see you missed my joke : 19 (c)
                Instead of 18(c)
                Satire might not be interesting to you.
                Fine

                But it is a very effective way to make the powerful but stupid feel very embarressed
                They do not like being laughed at.

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    AndyG55

    I hope they maintained their social distancing.

    The fines will be enormous otherwise. !

    I did notice that most were wearing masks though,

    … although not enough to hide the fact that skin colour varied considerably.

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      Didn’t you hear? The progressive leadership in the affected cities have declared that riots, looting and arson in the name of the cause is OK and will not spread the China virus, but protesting about the lock down is not allowed because it will spread the disease.

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    Bill In Oz

    So Jo, this is the ‘Clayton’s” discussion we can have when we are not allowed a real discussion or debate about whether and who’s lives matter.
    What I do find very odd is the extent that middle class tertiary educated protesters were protesting & providing ‘cover’ and distraction
    For robberies & arson taking place in extremely poor, largely unemployed neighbourhoods.

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      el gordo

      The 18c rules have been in place ever since the Bolter was taken to task.

      Looking at Australia’s peaceful demonstrations and its obvious we are the lucky country. So the government should request they all come in for a test, no names or addresses required, a community service to help us all get out of hibernation more quickly. They get a number, which can be found on the Covid Ap, to see if they are negative.

      Everyone will be avidly watching the numbers, any clusters could be easily mopped up, but I’m thinking this diversified group in every capital city, will not show any symptoms. Within a couple of weeks we should be able to unlock the land.

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      Serp

      We’ve been forced to practise semantic distancing; so many forbidden lexical constructs beset any speaker that the art of rhetoric may expire.

      Mine is a highly adaptable generation.

      When my first child was born only a pervert would have requested to attend the birth but twenty years later when my second arrived the father’s presence was obligatory; analogously, in my youth we were instructed that “names can never hurt me” but today, courtesy of the invigilators of 18c, I am reprogrammed to voice acceptance that terrible suffering attends name calling. Truth has lost its way innit?

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    Peter Fitzroy

    So only violence as wielded by the authorities is allowed? Didn’t this whole thing start as an violent murder by the authorities?

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      Mal

      So you’re promoting anarchy or lynch mobs?

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      Geoff Croker

      We are going to find out that both the murderer and the murdered knew each other. This had nothing to do with race, policing or crime. This murder was about the hate of one person against another person he knew. This reeks of a family crisis. Jealousy writ large. The age old reason why men kill each other.

      His mates helped. Probably created the opportunity. They are equally guilty.

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        AndyG55

        The amount of drugs that were found in the criminal’s system wouldn’t have helped.

        Juiced up thugs can require a lot of restraining.

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          Yes, and prohibiting choke holds will mean more juiced up thugs will end up at the wrong end of a bullet, rather than being subdued by less lethal means. Even a stun gun doesn’t work very well on someone with enough drugs in their system, especially meth.

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        AndyG55

        “This murder “

        Probably wasn’t.. The autopsy finds no life threatening injuries.

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          Orson

          Well if the Beeb can report 27 police officer injuries during a “mostly peaceful” demo, then I must infer that those poor coppers got let down by a building, deck, or scaffolding collapse. Right? It’s the only way it’s gonna happen….

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      AndyG55

      Your AntiFa streak is showing through again. Sick !

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      PeterW

      Funny how often those claiming to protest violence by the authorities are happy to propose violence by authority to enforce any cause they support.

      There’s a strong streak of hypocrisy there…. and as for those who pretend that violence isn’t the obvious tool of government …. “self-deluded” is one of the mildest of descriptions.

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        Peter Fitzroy

        Miss the point, read again, try to understand

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          AndyG55

          Your point is, as always, POINTLESS.

          This sounds a bit like you when you post.

          The guy was high as a kite, no wonder the police had problems restraining him.

          Toxicology (see attached report for full details; testing performed on antemortem blood specimens collected 5/25/20 at 9:00 p.m. at HHC and on postmortem urine) A.Blood drug and novel psychoactive substances screens: 1.Fentanyl 11 ng/mL 2.Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL 3.4-ANPP 0.65 ng/mL 4.Methamphetamine 19 ng/mL 5.11-Hydroxy Delta-9 THC 1.2 ng/mL; Delta-9 Carboxy THC 42 ng/mL; Delta-9 THC 2.9 ng/mL 6.Cotinine positive 7.Caffeine positive B.Blood volatiles: negative for ethanol, methanol, isopropanol, or acetone C.Urine drug screen: presumptive positive for cannabinoids, amphetamines, and fentanyl/metabolite D.Urine drug screen confirmation: morphine (free) 86 ng/mL

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            Peter Fitzroy

            Note that you could not provide a link, as normal. Last refuge or the right

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              el gordo

              As Mr Croker said, the protagonist and slain knew each other, both apparently have records.

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              AndyG55

              Link provided several times below Peter.

              FACTS: don’t let them get in the way of your deceitful LIES and MISINFORMATION.

              Here it is again if you missed it.

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              III.No life-threatening injuries identified

              Also Page 2

              VI.Toxicology (see attached report for full details; testing performed on antemortem blood specimens collected 5/25/20 at 9:00 p.m. at HHC and on postmortem urine)

              A.Blood drug and novel psychoactive substances screens:

              1.Fentanyl 11 ng/mL

              2.Norfentanyl 5.6 ng/mL

              3.4-ANPP 0.65 ng/mL

              4.Methamphetamine 19 ng/mL

              5.11-Hydroxy Delta-9 THC 1.2 ng/mL; Delta-9 Carboxy THC 42 ng/mL; Delta-9 THC 2.9 ng/mL

              6.Cotinine positive

              7.Caffeine positive

              B.Blood volatiles: negative for ethanol, methanol, isopropanol, or acetone

              C.Urine drug screen: presumptive positive for cannabinoids, amphetamines, and fentanyl/metabolite

              D.Urine drug screen confirmation: morphine (free) 86 ng/mL

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                AndyG55

                Most people have heard of Fentanyl, Methamphetamine and THC(from cannabis)

                Had to look up “4-ANPP”

                4-ANPP is an intermediate in the synthesis of fentanyl and related opioids and is often found as an impurity in fentanyl preparations.

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              AndyG55

              Poor Peter… caught in a LIE yet again !!

              So sad.. so leftist..

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                or more powerfully this one

                https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/voices/george-floyds-autopsy-and-the-structural-gaslighting-of-america/

                I think the comments you are getting show some very insecure people responding to you in exactly this way. The response is to protect their privelaged position and to twist the words of others to suit their own narrative. Anyway – probably best to ignore them until they have something substantial to say

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                AndyG55

                Now you are just being ridiculous, GA.

                Even more so than usual.

                Some leftist medical doctor has an opinion.. so what.

                Read what the Autopsy says.

                And stop with your petty little attempts as distraction from the facts.

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                AndyG55

                And yes that mural is certainly a piece of leftist gaslighting and deceit.

                Trying to show a drugged up hoodlum passing counterfeit notes, with a long criminal career record… as an angel !

                You can’t be serious. !

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          PeterW

          You didn’t make a point, Fitz. All you did was misrepresent your opponents.

          The officers restrain8ng Floyd at the time of his death have been investigated, arrested and charged. They will no doubt be prosecuted. What is there about this that makes the authorities doing this either responsible for his death of lacking in legitimacy?

          There is a law against murder. It is being enforced.
          There are laws against looting, arson and assault. They should be enforced, too.

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            AndyG55

            “They should be enforced, too.”

            But they are leftist thugs, they will not be arrested or charged..

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            AndyG55

            “They will no doubt be prosecuted. ”

            That remains to be seen.

            The autopsy indicates a copious amount of drugs in his system.

            He also had heart issues.. not a good combination !

            Those drugs would have made him very difficult to restrain as he resisted arrest, even by 2 or 3 police.

            (I once saw an Ice patient in hospital need 5 burly security guards to subdue him and get him in restraints)

            Maybe just a tragic accident because of his lifestyle?

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              bobl

              Looks like it, died of a heart attack… hence “couldn’t breathe” a common heart attack symptom as blood flow drops. Coppers probably
              should have helped him, done CPR etc. Negligence is my call.

              The protesters in general, Negligence and criminal indifference to anyone over 60 or with a medical condition. Oh, in addition to Arson, larceny, criminal damage, assault and god knows how many other crimes maybe even Gasp…. murder or attempted murder. Did the protesters know whether those places they burned were empty?

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                PeterW

                Heart attack….
                No blood pumping means no oxygen to the brain, which is what actually kills.
                No blood pumping to the brain means that anyone looking for signs of anoxia – which is how asphyxiation kills, will find them but that does not disprove the heart-attack.

                I expect that the defence will make that point very strongly indeed. I suspect that they will also point out that sensations of breathlessness are strongly associated with heart-attacks and that it is Standard Operating Procedure for restrained criminals to complain of Police brutality or health conditions.

                The Police may well be guilty as charged, but it is not as clear as some are trying to make out. We need an impartial court, not a lynch-mob. It is tempting to visualise ourselves in Floyd’s position, but I’m betting very few of the internet experts are willing to put themselves in the Police’ position.

                It’s the failing on empathy. We can almost never apply it evenly.

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      AndyG55

      “Didn’t this whole thing start as an violent murder by the authorities?”

      NO, it didn’t.

      It started when a doped-up career criminal, with a heart problem, resisted arrest as officers tried to do their duty of protecting the public.

      Because of all the drugs in his system, much force was needed to restrain him, and he unfortunately had a heart attack.

      The Autopsy confirms that there were “No life-threatening injuries identified”

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      Peter,

      You are wrong about what started this. It started by chasing down a criminal who was well known by the police and who had just passed off a counterfeit $20 at a local store. The cop definitely over reacted and should pay the price, but let’s not loose sight of the big picture which has nothing to do with systemic racism, as the MSM is trying to coerce the public to believe as the rationalization for all the violence.

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      GD

      Didn’t this whole thing start as an violent murder by the authorities?

      No, it started when a drug-addled man, high on fentanyl and methamphetamine, tried to pass a counterfeit banknote.

      When apprehended by police it became obvious that strong force was needed to restrain the man, due to his drug intoxication.

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        GD

        Oops, I just read Andy’s comment above mine. He’d already said what I just posted. I dived in soon as I read Fitz’s ludicrous comment without reading further.

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        dadgervais

        Security Camera Video (camera 02 6+ minutes) shows the first officers arriving on the scene and taking Geo.Floyd into custody. Curious that Floyd, high on drugs, just sat in a vehicle with two other individuals (one man and one woman?) waiting for the police to get there. The police had both individuals exit the vehicle and move away before they removed Floyd and cuffed him.

        Were the other two just innocent bystanders, or was drugged-up Floyd being set-up to create an incident that could be exploited by race hustlers. Who were those two and what, if any, affiliations might they have?

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          AndyG55

          Did you see the size of George Floyd compared to the policemen. HUGE !!

          And high on drugs.. obviously refused to get into the cop car..

          resisting arrest and needed to be restrained.

          Unfortunate that the police didn’t know about his dicky ticker,

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      Slithers

      Peter you are jumping to Kangaroo court type judgment, Shame on you.
      Man protesting ‘I cannot Breathe’ now where have I heard that before? I know it was an ICU patient!
      Man who tested positive for COViD-19 out on the streets during lock-down.
      Violent man resisting life saving Intubation and had to be medicated to the point where the Intubation which saved his life could be applied. Did the MSM shout out about how was the man who knew he had been tested positive and is now a victim of police brutality. How many people had he infected, if any?
      How is it that the BLM riots are condoned by MSM?
      Sheeple are easily led, look back a century or so and see what Hitler achieved by rhetoric and complicit media.

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    Peter Fitzroy

    I’m saying that the legitimacy of the authorities, and in particular in the use of violence up to and including murder, is now in question.

    Are you happy with your police force randomly using violence against the population it has sworn to protect?

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      Mal

      In civilised and democratic sosciieties, we elect governments to govern and to enact laws which include those requiring a police force to enforce theses laws.
      In Australia police do not “randomly” use violence to enforce these laws
      They are governed by the same laws as the general populace.

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        PeterW

        Mal…. All government authority ultimately requires the ability to use violence to enforce it.
        What can government do if I do not comply.
        They will take my property, my liberty and ultimately my life if I continue to resist effectively.

        I’m not saying that this is ultimately a bad thing, when the authority is “of the people, by the people and for the people”. Whenever we say to bad actors “You will not do XXX!”, it is implicit that we can back that up with consequences “…… or we will make something happen that you don’t like.”

        What Fitz and his fellow-travellers miss, is understanding that something can be done wrong, or it can be done right. He is arguing that because something (Policing) has been done wrong, tgat it CANNOT be done right and that we should not even try. The hypocrisy in this is that when it comes to causes that they support, they are quite adamant that we should persist, no matter how many times it is done wrong.

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          Peter Fitzroy

          The one bad apple argument.
          Completely missies the point, but loved by right wing fasisc**

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            PeterW

            Fitz… if you can’t be honest about the law and those who are tasked with enforcing it, you don’t deserve respect.

            It’s got nothing to do with justifying fascism, as well you know.

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              Peter Fitzroy

              Who killed who?
              When the authorities condone this sor of violent murder, they loose legitimatacy

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                AndyG55

                ONLY person condoning violence is YOU .

                George Floyd had a large amount of drugs in his system, didn’t help he also has heart issues.

                But police should just let him roam around in public so he can act like your AntiFa thug mates, right Peter. !

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                Orson

                Fair enough, Peter. But this kind of issue in the US is down by nearly half in 20 years (40%, I think). Only 10:cases last year, half of whom the coppers faced prosecution. And the GF sorts saw a lot less that the in between tall people.

                There is no evidence to support the rioters claims. It’s all hope and lies to make Marxist aims of revolution, destroy the US to come true. It’s all mob, mobs, mob, and Maoist bullying and collective virtue signalling.

                It’s beyond horrid.

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              Peter Fitzroy

              Explain why it is not Fascism

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                AndyG55

                Explain why it is.

                You are the only one acting like a fascist, condoning violence from your mates.

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                OriginalSteve

                Fascism is private companies doing the role of govt.

                A bad thing happened, anyone half decent has condoned it.

                What is happening currently – there is no excuse for violence by clearly organized left wing thugs, aided and abetted by pallet loads of bricks and sympathetic people in many aspects of society , for formenting or growing violence against civilians.

                Attacking police or military is actually domestic terrorism…..

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                Peter Fitzroy

                Like those companies which make money in offshore detention?

                480 odd aboriginal deaths is in custody,

                Love your assertion of privilege

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                Peter Fitzroy

                Like those companies which make money in offshore detention?

                480 odd aboriginal deaths is in custody,

                Love your assertion of privilege

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                Peter Fitzroy

                Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, as well as strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.

                Steve you are wrong

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                AndyG55

                WRONG again Peter

                These are left wing Fascists… of your ilk.

                The putrid scum of the far-left thuggery that you so worship

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                Analitik

                Peter is obviously using the “say it often enough and people will think it’s true” approach.
                Won’t work here, pal.

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            AndyG55

            “The one bad apple argument.”

            No need to describe George Lloyd that way, even though he was doped up to his eyeballs and high as a kite.

            Resisting arrest to boot.

            Just the sort of person you would admire.

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              Peter Fitzroy

              Who?

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                AndyG55

                George Floyd.. typo !

                But you knew that,

                … just as you knew he was a drugged up career criminal resisting arrest.

                But you still use his unfortunate death while resisting arrest, as a prop for wilful social violence and thuggery.

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                Fred Streeter

                Floyd, an alternative spelling of Lloyd.

                As Fluellen is an alternative to Llewellyn in Shakespeare’s Henry V

                A failed attempt at capturing the pre-spitting correct pronunciation of those names.

                ☺️

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      PeterW

      If authority is not legitimate then it has no right to take my property and devote it to causes of which I do not approve. The authority to make the law and the authority to enforce it have the same basic foundation.

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      AndyG55

      Nobody here condones violence….. except you.

      One policeman used possibly too much neck restraint on a drugged-up and hyped-up serially violent criminal, and has been arrested for it. End of case.

      Nothing that was done requires the AntiFa far-leftist thuggery response and wilful destruction of property that you are condoning and worshiping.

      But means to an end….. right, Peter,

      Anything is justified in your sick leftist ideology.

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        Peter Fitzroy

        Who killed who?

        What you are saying is that once type of violence is Ok, but only when the right wing supports it

        By the way do you have a web page for Antifa? An email address? A Facebook page?

        If they are so big how are they so silent

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          AndyG55

          Explain why it is.

          You are the only one acting like a fascist, condoning violence from your mates.

          Still trying to justify you anarchist mates, hey Peter.,. that’s just sick.

          Trying to deflect from the fact that Lloyd was a drugged-up violent criminal.

          He needed restraining, look at the autopsy.

          Drugged out of his mind.. which you probably think is totally ok in public, right ?

          It just went too far because he would have been struggling like a mad-man due to the manic cocktail of drugs in his system.

          Your AntiFa mates would be proud of you.

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          PeterW

          Fitz is lying again.

          Violence is not justified by the people who support it. It is justified by principles.
          GOOD people support violence based on GOOD principles.
          BAD people support violence for selfish purposes and insufficient reasons.

          It’s the difference between violence in defence of the innocent and violence to oppress the innocent. Government is legitimate when it engages in the former but not in the latter……. and that is why I oppose Socialism. On principle.

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            OriginalSteve

            Here is the thing….

            If the cops continue to be attacked and govt officials tie thier hands with stand down orders to what appears to be ensuring the violence grows unchecked, eventually the general population , who are armed, will start neutralizing the thugs.

            Good people eventually will take a stand.

            Just how it goes….

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              Peter Fitzroy

              Not seeing counter protesters are we

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                AndyG55

                No, conservative aren’t thuggish louts like these leftist mates of yours.

                But you can bet your mates will keep pushing until some do respond..

                Then your leftist mates will cry, “I’m a victim!”

                Just like you do.

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                Slithers

                Because counter protests would be breaking Social distancing laws designed to protect us from a deadly criminal SARS-CoV-2.
                IMHO people who knowingly attend protest rallies where social distancing is not practised are putting themselves and their family and ultimately their local society at risk.
                Then of course if they get sick will demand better rules to protect them and their family from SARS-CoV-2

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                Analitik

                Actually, there have been quite a few instances on YouTube of locals driving off BLM/Antifa protestors either physically or just by holding vigil in the area with guns displayed openly.

                The locals involved have ranged from normal residents to local militia members to street gangs but the common thing is that the protesters have not been welcome as they almost invariably bring along looters/thugs etc even if the majority are trying to make a point in a peaceful manner. If pressed, I will link some of these (the one with residents lining their fence lines holding guns as the would be protesters walk quietly on is quite amusing)

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            el gordo

            ‘…. and that is why I oppose Socialism. On principle.’

            Socialism with Chinese characteristics is in fact a fascist dictatorship. Antifa hopes to export their influence, a clear sign of a fascist movement.

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          AndyG55

          “Who killed who?”

          You mean which of the protestors shot the 77 year old b***k ex-policeman trying to defend his property?

          No riots over that, just over a doped-up career criminal resisting arrest, and unfortunately requiring way too much restraint because of the cocktail of drugs in his system.

          Nobody condones what happened to George Lloyd, but drugs do that to people, puts them in harms way.

          The real question is why do you condone this thuggish protesting and destruction !!

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          AndyG55

          Who killed who?

          Let’s look at the top of page 2 of the autopsy shall we….

          “III. No life-threatening injuries identified “

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            AndyG55

            Seems Peter is, as always, totally WRONG about everything. !

            Is it deliberate as a form of trolling ?

            Or it it just natural leftism.

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          PeterW

          One person died of a heart-attack.
          Who know who was restraining him at the time. We do not know – BECAUSE THE COURT HAS NOT YET DETERMINED – if there was a “who” in the “who killed him”, and why.

          Irony is that in making his broad-brush accusations, Fitz is accusing the Left-wing City Council, led by a Left-wing Mayor, who appointed a Chief of Police who belongs to the same minority as Floyd. The Minneapolis Police Department administration is the responsibility of a Minneapolis Democrat’s. It is simply dishonest to hold people from other cities and other departments, responsible for something that they had no possibility of influencing.

          Reality is that one man was (arguably) killed by one man. Applying guilt-by association to all those in uniform and all those who legislate and administrate is the rankest form of injustice. But that is what Lefties DO.

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            AndyG55

            page 2 of autopsy

            III.No life-threatening injuries identified

            The rest reads like a heart attack aided by copious amounts of illicit drugs.

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            AndyG55

            Fitz is ONLY making his unsupported accusations because he is trying to support and cheer-on his thuggish far-left comrades in their aim to subvert civilised society.

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          Peter

          It is not difficult to find plenty of information about worldwide antifa. Here is some information on the Australian version

          https://www.smh.com.au/national/beneath-the-black-mask-inside-australias-antifascist-antifa-groups-20160517-gox69s.html

          This group are the one that disrupted the g7 summit in 2017 besieged downing street when the Tories had the temerity to win an election and are the ones that protested about trump winning for a very violent week back in 2016

          Are you denying their existence?

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      AndyG55

      “against the population it has sworn to protect?”

      They were trying to protect society from a violent, drugged-up criminal.

      It just got out of hand because that juiced-up thug was resisting arrest.

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      AndyG55

      “randomly using violence”

      They didn’t.

      They were called in to PROTECT society from a drugged-up career criminal.

      Perhaps if they had sent more police they could have done it in a less violent manner that didn’t trigger his heart condition..

      But drugged-up thugs can be very hard to restrain when they resist arrest.

      Last paragraph of the autopsy is very interesting.. Covid-9 involved.

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    Gerard

    But the riots were not organised!!!!

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      AndyG55

      Ages ago.

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      Not organised? Participants taking missiles to the venues in advance. The usual suspects who are known to be paying for it all. Same as with the so-called caravans of refugees pouring north, travelling on trucks, coaches, good clothes, smart-phones. It won’t stop until the financiers are dealt with.

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    Steve of Cornubia

    It just goes to show how brave and committed these young people are, when they’re willing to take the risk that a few thousand more old people will die in a second wave of the disease.

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    Rudi K

    18C or no 18C it doesn’t seem to stop pertinent reporting by Sky

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0w9H7jJp7I

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    Craig

    ***** lives matter………yea nah it’s nothing short of a political statement using a manifesto to encourage more violence and hate. No point in talking facts as it’s about feelzs these days and thanks to our brilliant education system and ideological gendering and identity teaching, we got a bunch of snotty marxists who can’t handle rejection and believe they are ‘entitled’.

    [Edited to conform with 18c laws.]AD

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    bobl

    Actually it seems to me that all lives over 60 don’t matter, including those of the same ethnicity that the protests are supposedly about.

    Perhaps keeping out of large groups to protect elders – uncles and aunties should factor in. But what would those protesters know?

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    Peter Fitzroy

    In the end you have to rely on made up stories to defend ultra authoritarian fascism

    Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, as well as strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.

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      AndyG55

      You are LYING again.. a form of trolling by ignorance.

      These are left-wing thugs, your mates, causing all this social depravity and unrest.

      They are the real fascists, and you worship and condone their violence.

      They are doing it using the crutch of a doped-up career criminal who died of a heart attack while resisting arrest.

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      el gordo

      Comrade Fitz you’re out of your depth.

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      el gordo

      ‘In the US, the origins of Antifa and its antics can be traced to those groups of angry and privileged youth who congregated around radical protests in places like Oregon. While some became radical environmentalists, others became Antifa.

      ‘They adopted the nomenclatura, red and black flags and symbols of European fellow travelers. But they were not as ideological or well organized as the Europeans. In general, they also had a problem: The US didn’t have a history of European “fascism”; neither did it have a history of European anarchism and socialism to draw from.’

      Jerusalem Post

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      Lance

      Peter: Fascism and Nazism are products of the Left, not the Right.

      Educate yourself. The key players in framing Fascism as a Conservative viewpoint are Theodor Adorno, Herbert Marcuse, and Giovanni Gentile. Fascists are Socialists with a National Identity. Marxists are Socialists identified by Class.

      Your claims might be popular on the Left, but they are incorrect.

      https://www.prageru.com/video/is-fascism-right-or-left/

      https://archives.frontpagemag.com/fpm/big-liar-dinesh-dsouza/

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    Deano

    I don’t believe Section 18c restricts free speech. It only bans speech that a handful of self-appointed censors deem offensive. They provide this service free of charge for our benefit and ‘re-education’. But rest assured Jo, we can all still celebrate being allowed to post the most vile disgusting attacks on conservative figures with full protection of the law.

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    Serp

    Lavarch’s RDA 18c is the linchpin of the identity politics schismatizing of society in Australia; it’s repeal is just another of the myriad chores some as yet unheralded modern Hercules will perform when cleaning out the Augean stables of our federal legislation.

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    Furiously curious

    Number of violent crimes committed in america 2018

    **** on **** 60 000

    **** on **** 390 000

    **** on **** 560 000

    Defund the police and you will get warlords. If you are lucky.

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    John Galt

    They are ARSONISTS, not demonstrators.
    ARSON is a felony and ARSONISTS should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the state law.
    Since it is in Kalifornia, I expect the Komrades in SaKramento will kick dirt in the faces of property owners and do nothing whatsoever.
    Personally, I think the ARSONISTS should be sharing cells with the Kalifornia governor and attorney general and with other murdering scum.

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      bobl

      Who is John Galt, Who, Who?

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      the arsonists were arsonists and vandals. The demonstrators were demonstrating. Is that a difficult thing to grasp?

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        PeterW

        Leaf….
        …..and liars lie.
        That includes the liars in media and politics who are pretending that these riots and their associated looting and pillaging have anything to do with “institutional” racism or Non-Reflective lives “mattering.

        It also includes those who repeat that same set of gross untruths in discussions like this.

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        AndyG55

        But they are ALL part of the rioters.

        Is that a difficult thing to grasp?

        Your grasp of REALITY has slipped far into fantasy land, GA

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    GD

    due to Section 18C in Australia it’s illegal to discuss race or color since it may offend someone somewhere. Therefore the words black, white, yellow, red, skin, color, indigenous, indian, african, eskimo, asian, european, sub-saharan, BLM, WLM, ALM, will go straight to moderation

    If I were the blog owner, Jo, I would state exactly the same thing. It is odd though, that on the Catallaxy Files blog they get to say whatever they like without censure.

    Perhaps Sinclair Davidson has friends in high places; either that or deep pockets.

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    Richard Ilfeld

    America has had some history with police, or lack of same.
    If I can stop laughing at the spectacle of a gaggle of progressive Minnesota honchos who hired and trained the force
    they are now shocked to find knuckle dragging troglodytes in….
    The law was sparse on the American frontier.
    This was especially true in the territories like Oklahoma and Texas, before statehood.
    So mobs of vigilantes gathered their guns and took matters into their own hands.
    Which brings us to September 7, 1876.
    The Mississippi river was not navigable as far north as Minneapolis, so the main grain terminal was a little bit south in the little town of Northfield.
    Where there is commerce there is money, and the First National bank was the largest in the state.
    The Marshall was away and the Jesse James gang and Cole Younger came to rob the bank; citizens intervened, two on each side were killed, $15,000 remained in the vault,
    and the posse brought three more members of the gang to justice a few days later without benefit of trial.
    Minnesota has generally had a robust constabulary since, but should the police be defunded and the second amendment remain, we can revisit the glory days of 1876.
    As some say, you can look it up……

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      PeterW

      ….and contrary to Hollywood mythology, most “Vigilance Committes” were nothing less than the majority of adult males getting together to enforce the law in communities too small to afford professional law enforcement.

      They typically held court, elected officials, selected juries and held trials particularly if the facts of any case were in dispute. With neither gaols nor professional gaolers, penitential sentencing was not a notion so hanging, whipping and expulsion tended to be the options.

      There’s some interesting research pointing to the idea that frontier towns were typicall less violent than cities like New York… and evening in places like Tombstone and Abilene, you were not likely to witness a shooting from one year to the next as long as you stayed out of the known violent areas. The idea that you could just “shoot up” a town where the majority were military veterans and/or pioneers with the kind of fortitude it took to venture into territory like that, is not a clever one.

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    MichiCanuck

    The Oz law cited reminds me of Ursula Leguin’s novel “The Lathe of Heaven”. The protagonist seeks psychiatric help because he notices that his dreams appear to affect the entire world and only he notices the changes. The psychiatrist comes to believe him and then tries some experimental hypnotic suggestions to try to “improve” things. When the psychiatrist suggests eliminating all racial discrimination, the next morning, all people are the same hue of gray. When solving the problem of overpopulation, the next morning everyone “remembers” a pandemic that wiped out most of the population

    In the end, the psychiatrist desperately calls for the unification of all mankind. The next morning, the Earth is invaded by a race of interstellar warrior turtles. It’s a very good book and it was even made into a pretty decent movie. It should be required viewing these days.

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    This blog is truly sickening, full of privelage protecting itself with slogans and false outrage. At least “all lives matter” wasn’t repeated over and over, which is something.

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      PeterW

      You own faux-outrage shines like a burning bookshop….

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      AndyG55

      Seems you don’t think that all live matter, is that correct, GA?

      Only the lives of drugged-up career criminals, and looters and arsonists, right !!

      Very interesting that is the way you think, and very sickening.

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      AndyG55

      Then you might want to leave and take your far-left victimhood and festering inner guilt with you.

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      AndyG55

      “This blog is truly sickening”

      Your contributions certainly are. !

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      Bill In Oz

      I find it curious that so many old people want to ride bikes at exactly the time in life when the strength and skills and especially the needed eyesight and hearing capacities are fading.

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        Analitik

        The Stage 3 restrictions limited outdoor activities a lot so it seems many people decided “I used to ride a bike so I do that instead”. Many probably golfed or fished. Anecdotally, bike shops’ revenue have picked up around 20% on average (50% for the good ones) but the downside is that bike paths were too crowded to be safe before the recent relaxing of restrictions.

        Interesting that I have been red thumbed for my Bike Lanes Matter comment – I wonder how many cyclists get killed/injured each year in collisions with cars. Also, I doubt I’d be welcome if I turned up to a BLM protest holding that placard.

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          Serp

          I would suppose that the red thumbs signify disapproval of being offered a ride to the conversation.

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            Analitik

            Maybe they think that by being a cyclist, I’m a lefty “conservationist”. Modern bikes are largely made of carbon fibre and aluminium along with high strength alloyed steels which require high tech, energy intensive processes for material and production. Most serious cyclists know and appreciate this.

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              Kalm Keith

              Up until about nine years ago I rode most days but always avoided the cycle lanes on the roads.
              Those things seemed to be another example of political virtue signalling that were put in place to gain votes but didn’t help cyclists. Every few months there would be a major tragedy that resulted from people believing what politicians said rather than using their own judgment and riding to survive.

              Biker Lives Matter, but nobody should ever trust a politician when cycling. We need to use our own judgment.
              :-) KK

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    Roger Knights

    The suspended and accused cop had had something like 18 complaints filed against him. They hadn’t been acted on. This is what upset the protestors, who view it as evidence of systematic racism.

    But it’s instead mostly evidence of the power of policemen’s unions, which “negotiate” employment contracts with local politicians (to whom they may choose donate campaign funds and campaign workers or not) that effectively protect such rogue policemen from effective or serious disciplinary action. They’re nearly impossible to fire, like bad schoolteachers in NY City—again thanks to their union.

    (For instance, the cop in Florida who hid in his car outside a school where a mass shooting was occurring was recently reinstated with full back pay of well over $100,000.)

    The legality of such contracts should be challenged in a supreme court case. They are against the public interest.

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    Bill In Oz

    Somebody posted a comment with a link to :
    https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/6/1/21275944/chicago-weekend-shootings-most-violent-weekend-2020-may-29-june-1

    I went and looked at the link. It details weekend of massive shooting deaths in the West side of Chicago last weekend.
    ( Now that may be a good illustration of why gun control in needed in some places like Chicago )
    But they were not due to Covid 19.
    Also I am puzzled the comment with it’s link has now vanished.
    Off Topic and misleading it certainly was. But still very informative.

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      Richard Ilfeld

      Chicago has a rigorous regime of gun control.
      There are far fewer shootings per capita in cities where all citizens can own guns and readily carry.
      This is not to say it is hard to obtain a gun in Chicago; is is hard for a home or business owner
      to obtain on legally and have it readily available for use.
      However, gun control is a critical element of climate change. In the same way abo**ion is a critical part of climate change.
      In the same way climate change is the essence of civil rights. In the same way…..

      Ain’t US politics grand? We’re really all fifth graders over here.

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      PeterW

      Bill…

      Chicago has a Non-reflective Mayor, a Non-reflective Police Chief and a lot of Non-Reflective Police. How are they still shouting about “institutional racism” when the Melanin-Enhanced are making the policy decisions.

      They also have “tough” gun laws…. but only the law-abiding obey them. You want more of what isn’t working?
      Speaking of which, the Inner-Urban-Melanin-Enhanced demographic has far lower than average legal firearms ownership. Again, it’s fair to ask how that is working out.?

      If it was about gun control, then Mexico would be one of the safest nations in the world. Instead, it is far more violent than the US. …But it’s not. It’s mostly about ethnic gangs fighting turf wars and enforcing their rules on their turf. Stay out of those areas, and you are far, far safer. More and more, gun control is looking like the straw-man produced by those who want excuses for ignoring the real drivers of violent crime.

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      Bill In Oz

      To any Americans reading, Your guns laws are for you to make and enforce.
      I’m happy with things as they are here in Australia.
      But I remain perplexed.
      There is no no link between Guns laws & Covid 19.
      Maybe that is why it was removed ?
      in which event maybe best if my own comment is removed.

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        PeterW

        Bill…. I’m as Australian as you are.

        I believe that all laws should be based on the diligent examination of the evidence.

        There is no free lunch. Laws always cost…. at worst, they cost lives because they divert limited attention, resources and political capital. At best, they bring the law and its institutions into disrepute – which is one of the key drivers of criminal behaviour. We should never be afraid to examine the results of our laws, whether we like them or not.

        Making laws because you like the theory and because they don’t hurt you…… not a good idea.

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        MichiCanuck

        There is no no link between Guns laws & Covid 19.

        The traditional or classic liberal interpretation of the American 2nd Amendment is that it enshrines a basic natural law principle, that everyone has the right of self defense, even against a tyrannical government. When the pandemic started, there was a huge increase of gun purchases because of the perception that shortages of essential goods could lead to a breakdown of normal societal order. There are many amusing stories of progressives who had always supported stringent gun laws being outraged about how difficult it was to actually purchase a gun, especially in states like California. On top of that, many of these people will be a menace to themselves if they don’t get some training. Once the protests started in Minnesota and spread to the rest of the country, gun sales doubled again.

        The amusing thing is that the protests in Lansing Michigan against capricious and irrational lockdown orders (all while government mandated warehousing covid-19 positive patients in nursing homes) were carried out by heavily armed citizens who were not only totally peaceful, they cleaned up after themselves. The “unarmed” protests that have killed dozens of people and destroyed hundreds of businesses are in stark contrast. The saying here is that an armed society is a polite society. If you have ever been to the US and gone shopping in a “big box” store (e.g. Walmart), you might not have realized that a significant percentage of the people in the store were “carrying”. Yet you survived.

        If you want to see what it’s like when the locals want to discourage destructive disorder in their town, in this case Coeur d’Alene Idaho, check out:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=PMl4eIJRG2o&feature=emb_logo

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    Langworthy Grant

    To add fuel to the fire of this debate, I note that some have commented on the 480 Indigenous Deaths in Custody in Australia since 1991. What they didn’t say was that in the period 1980 – 2017 there were approximately 2600 deaths in Custody in Australia of which 500 were of Indigenous identity, around 19%, not that bad when you think that they make up 30% of the relevant population, ie those in custody. Leaving aside how they got there, clearly non-Indigenous deaths in custody is a bigger problem.. But that doesn’t fit the simplistic sloganist approach of the moronic left.

    Statistics are available to all if any one wishes to google.

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    Bartender

    The problem does not lies with BLM, WLM, or ALM. The problem lies with communism (Socialism). That’s where the heart of the problem lies.

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    Analitik

    Moderated by stating my skin colour. How stupidly imbecile (oxyMORON for emphasis) is 18C?

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    Analitik

    [Congrats. Is this what you wanted? - Jo]

    Yep – to highlight 18C stupidity

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    Bill In Oz

    As per the Le Guin novel comment above
    Try ‘Grey’ instead.
    It’s the new “*****”
    :-)

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    Analitik

    “Amber” describes me more closely

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    MichiCanuck

    Ahh, but Ursula was American.

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