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    Geoff from Tanjil

    I am 66-year-old Australian who has followed WUWT, Jo Nova and other blogs for more than 20 years.
    I have a background in instrumentation & control and industrial and process; so the fabricated concept of manmade runaway global warming or climate change caused by CO2 rang alarm bells 20 years ago and the bells are getting louder.
    The continuous flow of hysteria has most people convinced that the planet is doomed. What a load of bs.
    Countries like China and Russia do not need to be too concerned about the next election because there isn’t one; so they can continue with their long term 10, 20, 50 and 100 year plans while we only think in 4 year election cycles.
    Western governments really do not understand, or maybe they do, but are constrained by their necessity to be voted in at the next election.
    Understand that the Chinese in particular are on a long-term strategy. They are not concerned about minor setbacks, only the long-term outcome to win world dominance.
    My son was in China 20 years ago and his “minder” proudly told him that China was going to conquer the world. Not through warfare but financial means. Think “belt and road initiative (BRI)”.
    To win this war and that is what it is, the western world must take control of the institutions within its borders which are wittingly or unwittingly contributing to its demise.
    Time is running out. This is serious.
    I am predicting that the advent of Covid-19 will see China take some bolder actions due to the western world pressuring the WHO to investigate the origins of Covid-19.
    How do we form an effective movement to save ourselves?
    Follow the KISS principle.
    1. We must take back our ability to manufacture the essential products we need within our own countries. Globalisation has unfortunately concentrated manufacturing in a few countries. Ask yourself who really controls those countries.
    2. We must start re-building the energy infrastructure based on the abundant resources available. (Coal, oil, and uranium in Australia)
    This will weaken our rivals so be prepared for pushbacks at every step from the puppets and always remember who the puppet masters are.
    There are rumblings in Australia where the Victorian State Labor Government is being questioned about the details of their BRI “contract” but unsurprisingly the lefties do not want us to know what they have signed us up to.
    Fighting a war is a huge task and I really hope that the western Governments around the world can form the alliances needed to survive.
    I hope that if you read this that you do not think it “melodramatic” but I am beginning to have concerns for the future of my children and grandchildren and my country.

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      Serp

      Strong pressure towards Victoria repudiating its BRI deal is being exerted by Mike Pompeo.

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      Mal

      Geoff
      I’m 70 in 2 weeks
      I’m a retired civil engineering manager
      All the things you’ve been doing I’ve also been doing
      I agree, we have weak politicians following the election cycle and I’m totally concerned for my children and grandchildren
      One of the biggest problems we have is the msm and soscial media
      They drive the political agenda and they are so far left and so scientifically and economically illiterate that I never cease to be amazed how we have gotten here over the last 30 years
      Can we turn it around?
      Maybe
      It’s going to be hard and our education system has also been driven into submission
      Have we got time
      Possibly not
      We are so weakened Now and I’m not sure we have the resolve
      I hope someone out there has a more positive view, or is just grumpy old man syndrome on my part
      Cheers

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        King Geo

        There is only one thing Mal & Geoff that can save the day – a long & prolonged “GC Cycle”.

        It is predicted by some meteorologists e.g. David Dilley, Piers Corbyn etc applying historically verifiable “GT Cycles”. And Earth is long overdue for a “GC Cycle”.

        And this “GC” may be just starting – Earth’s GT has dropped significantly this month – down to +0.382 degrees C (GT anomaly reading) – this cooling is very evident this month in Oz – the entire nation with below average May temps – refer to the Weatherbell GT maps. Will this trend continue? I don’t know but this drop has occurred during a non La Nina period.

        We must hope that Dilley is right – he predicts a prolonged “GC Cycle” starting right now. The impact of this should sway public opinion during this decade – the earlier the better – during this period they will realize that AGW is total BS!!! And once they have this belief then nations fast tracking to expensive & unreliable RE’s will face mounting pressure to reverse this policy, ie CO2 is not the devil it was supposed to be wrt controlling Earth’s temp.

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        Peter C

        Mal,

        I agree. A lot of bad things happening. The Education system is a primary failure.
        As a new grandfather my first priority is that my grand daughter will be able to read!
        Two articles in the Weekend Australian (22 May) alerted me to the utter failure of the Australian education system which has been happening over the last 30 years, virtually unnoticed. The Headline is “Reading Wars Hit Home”. Two articles there; first by Rebecca Urban, who discovered during the recent home schooling that her 5 1/2 year old daughter was still at Foundation level reading (ie can’t read) when other parents said their children had been reading well before they started primary school.

        Rebecca Urban is quite well versed in the “Reading Wars”. She figured out that her daughter was a casualty of the Balanced Reading Approach to Literacy Her daughter said the “Eagle Eye” showed her how to read! Eagle Eye is a literary character that teaches children to take a look at the picture in their reader and guess the word. When the word is seen again in a different context their reference is the picture and not the word, so they have no idea how to even pronounce it.

        The answer is a rigorous teaching of “Phonics”, which is what we older people learned. Phonics means the letter “C” has a sound, pronounced “Kuh”. Once that is grasped the letters “Cat” can be extended to pronounce catastrophe!

        Unsurprisingly the “Balanced Reading Approach” is still the favourite of the Victorian Education Dept. OMG!

        So my grand daughter has to be reading well before she gets to primary school or it might not ever happen.

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          mikewaite

          Peter
          I don’t know how relevant this is, but a journalist with the UK Telegraph reported that she had an interview
          with the 80 year old Germaine Greer (80? where did the time go?). Apparently this formidable lady hired an old Holdern
          and toured around Australia, and her typically forthright opinion,as relayed to the journalist, is that “Australia is b8gg8red” .
          The last I heard from Ms Greer she had bought part of a Queensland forest to preserve it and wrote a book about it. I don’t know if her recent experiences of present day Australia have been published in the Australian media, but would be interested in a fuller account of her conclusions.

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            Bill In Oz

            She left Oz in 1962-3 and thought Australia was bu@@ered then.
            So no change in her opinion.
            A year or so agi I tried to read the book she wrote about ‘saving’ the rainforest on that block she bought.
            Tooooo much utter BS so I gave up.
            Handed it back to the library as a dud.

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            Peter C

            Thanks mikewaite.

            I am not sure how that is relevant to my comment about the education system. Germaine got a proper education at a Catholic Girl’s school in Melbourne.

            As it turned out I did once meet the formidable Germaine Greer in a pub near Melbourne University known as Naughton’s Hotel.

            She was doing some social research and asked me about feminism. I said something, barely articulate expressing disagreement and was promptly put on the mat. I decided not to continue the argument.

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              Annie

              I met GG briefly after she came to Cirencester. I would have liked her show better if she hadn’t been so liberal in her use of the ‘f’ word, which I find ugly.

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          Fred Streeter

          For the first 5 of my early years, I lived with my grandparents.
          I learned to read pre-school. My grandmother read to me and, over time, I learned the words from the pages of my favourite stories.

          My first memory of Infant School was the teacher writing:

          c a t

          on the blackboard, and telling us that it was:

          Kuh A Tuh

          Boy, was I confused!
          It was great to leave and attend an Infant School with real teachers who acknowledged that I could read and write.

          My children learned in much the same way as I: being read to, and following their choice of books.
          (And, I confess, we Home Educated them. Drop-outs, all of them – sorry.)

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          OriginalSteve

          Peter, the USA went down its Common Core path, the end result is that it trashes education and deliberately dumbs kids down to the point of being functionally illiterate worker bees for the States’ use….or put another way, Victoriastan is recognized as a failed Communist State under Dear Leader Dangerous Dan.

          Communism thrives on having hordes of unthinking brainwashed drones they can use as they see fit. Individual thought or any form of challenge to State will is to be challenged and crushed.

          The apparent signing away Victoriastans soul to the BRI is no different in some ways to allowing Victoriastan to become a CCP outpost.

          Huge exposure needs to be shone on Chairman Dan to expose whats happened with his sneaky BRI signup so people are aware of thd danger it coukd pose to not just Victoriastan but also Australia generally.

          The old saying of

          “Never *ever* trust a Communist”

          holds as true todays as it ever did…

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      robert rosicka

      Just came across this about BOM’s latest Australian forecast for rainfall and I don’t think they’ve ever done one quite like this for rainfall .

      https://www.stockjournal.com.au/story/6757503/wet-end-to-may-then-good-winter-prospects/?fbclid=IwAR1zEuvqFMuZIWfn0W9O_mCAAJPMPFwC8KH5sM0FtyB6UI7nnrNWgeb68tc

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        Bill In Oz

        But they failed to foresee the humungous storm currently battering the entire WA West coast.
        Yhey only discovered that on Friday.
        http://www.bom.gov.au/australia/charts/4day_col.shtml

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          robert rosicka

          Face it Bill after years of dodgy long term forecasts they haven’t got a clue , what’s unusual about this forecast is its the first one I can remember that forecasts above average rain for much of Australia .

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            Bill In Oz

            Very True Rob.
            :-(

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            RickWill

            That probably means it will be less than average – not good news. I think the BoM weather forecasts are based looking out the window; dry it will stay dry, wet it will stay wet.

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          Graeme#

          The current WA storm doesn’t appear to be out of the ordinary. Just the usual small tree branches down, unsecured trampolines taking off, power outages, etc. Nothing like Cyclone Alby in 1978 that ran right down the WA coast and caused a lot of damage.

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            Graeme#4

            Sorry Mods, forgot the 4…

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            yarpos

            During the hyped ABC report tonight, they said you had to go all the way back 2012 to find a similar event. Breathtaking. Just happy we are seeing rain.

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        Bill In Oz

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          Bill In Oz

          Jo & her partner & family, being just South of Perth
          Are currently in the midst of that humungous storm In WA.
          With 60,000 homes without power !
          Pointless in praying to the Global Warming goddess to send the storm away.
          But it might get a laugh from Jo.

          Good luck all there in WA.

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      Greg in NZ

      Geoff, as I live across the ditch from you – no, not the Bass Strait, the Tasman Sea – I had to look up where Tanjil was. Brrr, you must be feeling the chilling effects of that ‘existential crisis’ southerly wind tonight!

      Luckily I’m on the other side of the low pressure so we’re getting pleasant, mild nor’westers… funny how ‘weather’ goes round and round yet ‘climate’ kooks are straight-line believers: either backwards (“We’re gonna burn!”) or marching forward (“Green bliss & unicorns & free everything… or else!”).

      This coming week should provide top entertainment, for we realists, as alarmists Australia-wide learn to deal with record cold, record rain, record snow, ho-ho-ho! All those events they long ago prophesied were history ‘because of man’s sins’ are coming back round again, as they do, naturally. If you want melodramatic, I’m sure expert loonies will be out in force, clothed in sackcloth, wailing and shrieking. Enjoy the show!

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        Sambar

        I think you have got it wrong Greg, Just heard the Royal Commision into last summers bush fires take evidence from the BoM. and they have reitereated that fire seasons are getting longer and hotter than ever. They also commented that this trend WILL continue. Interestingly the report concluded with the comment that while longer and hotter summmers will be the norm, this year with its very wet start and cooller conditions to date will most likely reduce next summers fire season risks !
        Talk about an each way bet.

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          Greg in NZ

          Egg-zackly! Ignore the observations (reality) whilst reiterating the models (concocted hypotheses).

          Via the ABC, a BoM spokesbot claimed 2020 had rolled out just as they said it would. Que? Say what?! Huh? I may have got the ‘sackcloth’ part wrong, but the wailing and shrieking and hypocritical gnashing of teeth was right on cue. Touche!

          Don’t worry, our NIWA numpties are the same. Their 2 talking heads are American imports who have NO IDEA on the intricacies, nor the history, of these shaky little islands’ (micro)climate(s). Entertaining for city-folk glued to their TVs, but give me a farmer or a fisherman’s prognosis any day. Cheers.

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      WXcycles

      Germany has provided China with electric engine tech for the latest PLAN subs which are as quiet as anything the West has. Greed has shot us in the foot at every level, governments and leaders like that, combined with conscienceless corporations have betrayed us all. What’s the point of being in a strategic military ‘alliance’ with and ‘ally’ that does that? They furthered the imperial strategic interests of a communist authoritarian government over that of their ‘Allies’ strategic interests.

      2013 – China to build 15 more Yuan-class submarines with German engines
      https://chinanewsstories.com/2013/04/11/china-to-build-15-more-yuan-class-submarines-with-german-engines/

      2014 - German Diesels and AIP? for Chinese Submarines
      https://gentleseas.blogspot.com/2014/06/german-diesel-engines-and-aip-for.html

      Nice! We pikers just lease major ports to CCP businesses.

      And before we signed up to this French submarine boondoggle, the Germans were one of three major bidders (France Germany Japan -Sweden didn’t even get a look in this time) trying to sell us exactly the same technology as they sold to the Chinese.

      Double-dipping krauts!

      Australia may not be in a formal alliance with Germany, we are a NATO ‘Associate’ alliance members though, but our most important allies are Germany’s ‘Allie’s. That technology will be applied to both Chinese nuclear and conventional submarine propulsion systems (and it already is). With strategic friends like Germany who needs strategic enemies? And UK and France are as useless as tits on a bull at this point too. So we can forget about any effective defense assistance from them. And all France does is rip us off because we let Canberra politicians and our own stupid Navy, and the Russell Hill defence dept bureaucrats to sign us up to allow France and its corporations to rip us off and to not deliver a fully operational RAN sub capability until 20 to 30 years from now.

      We’ve been sabotaged in plain sight – and paid top dollar for it!

      We could build 10 US nuclear subs in half the time for less cost – but that would be bad!

      On Sunday morning there were images on the box coming from Brazil of pre-dug mass-graves stretching off into the distance. Meanwhile the US is in complete denial for about another month or so, and is now completely ignoring the spread of COVID-19, and reports on the weekend showed that social-distancing isolation and virtually stopped there, even as they were getting 25,000 to 30,000 new community spread cases per day. The cases there will now explode in number, and the first signs of the next surge (in the first wave) have already begun.

      A second surge of the first wave of infection is commencing in the data, just as the western world ‘reopens’, while the developing-world infections in South and Central America, Africa and India are also just beginning to take off.

      https://i.ibb.co/C6fjBkQ/COVID-19-Second-surge-in-first-wave.png

      Australia itself maybe be OK with this COVID-19 situation remaining under control, except all of our strategic allies will be stuffed. Canberra’s bureaucracy and a chronically badly led Navy have ensured the capability we need to effectively defend ourselves and secure our interests is decades behind what we need18 months from now. Our biggest benefit is that we don’t have major US bases within Australia and the US mil daily flying in COVID-19 cases on C-17s to such bases. Hopefully our Army are keeping newly imported US Marines in quarantine, away from our forces around the top-end as they’re going to increasingly become a risk as this year progresses. We’re ill-prepared for the major strategic changes to come within 18 months.

      If 60% of the USa population catch COVID-19 (as now seems very likely), and 20 of those are symtomatic (the known cases), then this is what occurs , USA pop = 330,382,957:

      USA symptomatic cases = (0.6)/5) = 0.12 of population develop symptoms.

      So 0.12% of USA pop = 39,645,955 symptomatic cases.

      Using the global average of total deaths/million of 44.1 we get:

      (39,645,955 / 100) * 44.1 = 5,262,765 USA dead

      So 5.26 million US citizens die of COVID-19, if 60% of the USA catches it (i.e. 13.27% of known cases die).

      And 34.4 % US symptomatic cases recover (or 86.7% know cases survive, many permanently damaged)

      Which means a total of 1.59% of the entire US population ultimately die of COVID-19 if 60% of them contract it.

      In which case there are 5.3 million preventable deaths caused by US government policies. Which is fine I suppose, but don’t go bringing up deaths caused by Mao, Stalin, Hitler or Pol Pot again because you’ve then killed your own civilians on a similar scale, and knew you were choosing to do that.

      And of course to add another level of stupid to this, those who endlessly harp about the dangers of big government and their nefarious tendencies, will defend the rationale of doing this to 5.3 million civilians, to the hilt. They will explain at length why this was necessary, indeed, beneficial.

      Then they will get back to paranoid rants about the wickedness and plotting of big .gov again.

      Mass-atrocities are fine as long as the economy rises, but mass-atrocities are not fine if small business suffers.

      What’s that called then?

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        Bill In Oz

        Too many issues for one comment WXC.
        Take it a bit slower for the less quick footed please.
        1: The USA is split completely on the virus and the disease. One part of the government effectively has adopted a herd immunity strategy. This is the Red Republican team.But a large number of states are still trying to quarantine and lockdown the virus. IMO that’s bloody nuts and guarantees that fighting this disease become political.

        2: Germans selling sub engines to China ? Ohh well maybe it”s just as well we are not using German tecknolnogy in the subs being built here in Oz. They are French.

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          WXcycles

          They are French.

          I said they were French.

          My remarks are in direct reply to “Geoff from Tanjil“, the first comment at top of thread, and is in relation tho his remarks.

          May 24, 2020 at 6:38 pm
          http://joannenova.com.au/2020/05/weekend-unthreaded-312/#comment-2332480

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            Bill In Oz

            Ahhhh a reply to Geoff From Tanjil…
            I did not realise that…
            His comment was a fair way back though WXC..

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              WXcycles

              Yeah, he got a lot of replies Bill. A lot of people thinking along similar lines, but with different takes on it all.

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            Geoff from Tanjil

            Hi WXcycles,
            You are are a terrific contibutor, however I would not have guessed that you were linking to my post! Thanks.

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              WXcycles

              Hi Geoff,

              Your remarks triggered a few pet peeves, namely the betrayal by politicians, bureaucrats and alliances, such as …

              Fighting a war is a huge task and I really hope that the western Governments around the world can form the alliances needed to survive.

              50 billion on 10 to 12 subs (about twice as much as they should have cost, and only diesel-electric) delivered between 2037 to 2057, when the threat is here now? And European ‘allies’ that waste no time selling us out like that then try to sell us the same thing they just sold to China. We definitely need to choose better strategic ‘allies’ here. Hard to see how Europe is relevant to us any more then they are on the other side of the planet and when we can access their best technology, but so too can the Chinese communists. It’s unbelievable, the cheek of the Germans and the French! And still Canberra, and even RAN Admirals, want to make our new most expensive subs on the planet in 2040, second-rate and non-competitive against what the Chinese are using right now?

              It not just our rubbish ‘allied’ associates in NATO, but our politicians and bureaucrats and the very poorly performing Admirals in RAN who seem to want to hobble us and make sure we’re prone to strategic undermining and failure as well.

              We need better allies, better politicians, completely new public service and scrap the rubbish French sub option and buy 10 US nuke subs for the same price, or much less actually and get the first operational by 2030, and one every year after that. In the situation we’re in the US is going to lose power and credibility, but they will still be an awesome ally, if they’re reliable. We know Europe isn’t, can’t be trusted and are also shamelessly gouging us. We bought 3 “Air Warfare Destroyers” from Spain, built them here for $3 billion each, and could have bought 6 even more capable destroyers from the USA for exactly the same money. That what our stupid Admirals and Defence Dept are doing to us.

              We may want to diversify to not be completely under US sway, but this is ridiculous. We only have one real strategic Ally and its the USA, plus its alliance in the Pacific. We also need much closer relations with South East Asia, we’ve neglected to develop that, and not entirely our fault either, but if we can’t put together a united and coordinated front against China with the core of South East Asia we’re all going to be dominated and controlled by China. It’s inexcusable for our politicians, bureaucrats and rubbish military upper leadership to continue to allow that to occur.

              We got lucky with COVID-19, we’ll most likely cope with it well from here, but I’m pretty sure our most important like-minded allies, except maybe Japan, are all toast. We’re going to very quickly find ourselves at a major strategic disadvantage, like never seemed possible, and we have no capacity to pick up the pieces. Our options are narrowing fast.

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    Kalm Keith

    I came back from an overseas trip early in March.

    There was a funny incident with a “micro” bat as reported earlier; the locals joked and called it Corona.

    Since then I’ve tried to get perspective on the situation and in some parts of the world it is aggressive and nasty.

    In other locations it has been evident but statistically irrelevant.

    Regardless of the situation, politicians have used the situation to dramatise their COVID19 management skills and we are left wondering about the “crushing” solutions that have been applied.

    We are about to find out. The next two months Will be very illuminating.

    KK

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      Len

      Keith, having soldiers, sailors and airmen out and about supporting the police was not a good look for me during the lock down.

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        Kalm Keith

        Here in Australia we have just reached the 101 mark of people nominally dead from The Virus.

        Just what this means in the wider scheme of things is that Australia was essentially bypassed by the Virus but our response has certainly “crushed” something: almost certainly the thousands of lives associated with ruined businesses and broken dreams.

        But let’s relax a bit in today’s windfall of sixty billion dollars no longer needed for Jobkeeping.

        It is now apparent that even with the world’s highest paid
        Federal Public Servants Australia can’t even design a tax form that’s free from possibly politically inspired errors.

        People are calling for the minister responsible to resign.

        Can he in turn sack the head of department responsible?

        And on it goes.

        KK

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          JanEarth

          Geoff from Tanjil

          Really… it is that simple is it? You do realize we will find it very hard to decouple from China let alone turn back the clock on globalization. Australia’s problem is it is a very small market and we cannot get industries back here that have left without strong trade barriers and tariffs and those measures alone are capable of plunging us into a depression the likes of which no one alive has seen.

          When things get really tough we cannot depend on the US supporting us…recent comments from Mike Pompeo make that patently clear as was the threat from Trump to slap tariffs on our exports to the US early on in his term. When the going gets tough the US will only look after itself.

          The other thing is your logic is fallacious… Oversimplification. You take something as complex as world trade and try to reduce it to 2 simple solutions. Unfortunately that is not how the world works. You then extend that fallacy and morph into the slippery slope argument by bringing in future generations as yet unborn. You should really chillout and relax and for Pete’s sake stop worrying about future generations, they will be better educated and more capable of dealing with big issues than we ever were.

          I have said it before but the CCP is hanging on by their finger nails. If we are clever we can help the Chinese people slip off the yoke of tyranny without putting our economy at risk by directly opposing the CCP. We can provide assistance to the opposition in China covertly and the means to do so are multifarious.

          The CCP has the capacity to cripple our economy and without too much damage to themselves so we need to tread carefully in a logical fashion.

          Relax Geoff things are way better than you think but panic and simple sledgehammer tactics will make it worse than you can possibly imagine. I do agree with you that we are at a crossroad here but we need to think carefully about how we proceed.

          China warned us today about what they intend to do to Australia. Probably time for us to back off a bit an start secretly funding and assisting the opposition to the CCP. Hong Kong is a good place to start. The CCP is more afraid of its people than anything else and an emergency in Hong Kong will take their focus away from us. Above all else we need to proceed in a thoughtful fashion an keep emotions out of this.

          Cheers :-)

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            JanEarth

            In my fumbling attempts to post, my reply ended up in the wrong thread. 2.1.1.1 should be in the first thread started by Geoff from Tanjil.

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            Geoff from Tanjil

            Reply to JanEarth
            I was initially pleased to see someone reply at length to my post but the more I read the more annoyed I became.
            You make some interesting points on China and it would have read better without the unhelpful personal advice.
            All posts are people’s thoughts and opinions and deserve respect.
            Your opening sentence “Really… it is that simple is it?” and saying that I should “chill out and relax” is condescending.
            No, the way the world works is not simple.
            Yes, it would take time in the span of decades to change the Australian manufacturing base if at all.
            I did not imply “panic and simple sledgehammer tactics”.
            I do understand the way of the world on trade and alliances, but I wanted to keep my post short hence the two strategies as a talking point.
            I did not say I was being melodramatic but hoped that other readers would not find it so.

            Cheers

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              Bill In Oz

              Geoof I agree with your view on this..And yes Jan is being condescending as if she knows ar better than lesser fol like us..
              In fact the CCP is facing it’s greatest challenge since Mao died in 1975-6…
              The wealthy elite hat has emerged in China over the last 30 years is well connected with the rest of the world. They hear & see on one hand the internal CCP propaganda about this Corona virus. And they also see and read the enormous harm is happening across the planet as a result of the CCP’s self centered and incompetent strategy for handling this CCP virus.
              And that harm is damaging their own business interests, how they are regarded across the planet, their wealth and their own self image.

              The days of the Xi Jinping CCP regime will be short I think.

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    Analitik

    Angus Taylor was bitter disappointment on The 7:30 Report last Thursday when he accepted the implicit “settled science” statement by Leigh Sales as she badgered him as to why the government was quick to react to science on the CoViD-19 pandemic but not on climate science. Normally, I watch The 7:30 Report to get some contrary views but I had to switch off at that point.

    When will the government appoint ministers that have a spine?

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      Mal

      I sent an email to Angus lasr week re Not closing down Liddel power station and building new coal fired power plants
      Also to ditching the Paris agreement
      Funnily enough, I haven’t had a response from him
      I thought he supported coal powered generation of electricity
      Maybe he wants to stay in the closet

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        Peter C

        Thanks Mal,

        I am going to respond to Angus Taylor and the PM as well.

        Our Liberal Government is far to timid IMHO.

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      PeterS

      When will the government appoint ministers that have a spine?

      When voters stop returning them to office. Stop voting for the two main parties. Otherwise, forget it as we will keep going round in circles.

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        Peter C

        I see what you mean Peter S. I truly thought that. And it must be true. But how to connect with the voters?

        At the last election I put a lot of work into promoting the Australian Conservatives (Cory Bernadi). The result was a total wipe out. AC polled about 4% across the board. The preferences all went to the Liberal Party who then won the election.

        I am still trying to understand why the AC polled so badly.

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          OriginalSteve

          Never underestimate the benefit of having informal chats with friends and people in pubs etc , to get the truth out.

          It does work, no natter how much State propaganda is pumoed out by the Aust Bolshevik Collective or the hard Left wing commercial media.

          Most of the current nonsense woukd be nullified by people calling BS on it once they are informed…..

          Its a bit like the joke of “social distancing” …sneezes travel 10m+ but they want 1.5m between people..its pure social engineering and complete nonsense….

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          Peter C

          They got rolled because they are barking mad God bothering loonies and they are the type of people most Aussies can’t abide by. No surprise there.

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            Ando

            Common sense policies and family values on which this country was founded, is ‘god bothering lunacy’ now?
            What policies did you not like, assuming you bothered to check?
            They were a brand new party…very difficult to get traction with so many lazy laboral voters and a hostile leftist media.

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        Robdel

        And just wait for the lights to out. Until that happens the public will go along with what the government does. I have always held that view.

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          PeterS

          Exactly. We will continue to stumble along until we either crash and burn or if voters do wake up in time begin to use their brains and stop voting for the two main parties en mass. It’s really that simple and there are no other options.

          Notice too that the Morrison government is still focusing on reducing emissions. They have learned nothing during the current economic crisis. It’s so disappointing and I feel they will live to regret it in more ways than one.

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    TdeF

    Total new infections for Australia today? 4. 2 In Victoria, 1 NSW, 1 Qld.

    Victoria has finally come down after the appalling Cedar Meats disaster, an oversight which needs explanation when an infected worker works in an abattoir. For no reason I know, the abattoir was not tested, nor his friends or workmates. And even when it was found 3 weeks later when a worker lost a finger and infected a hospital, the government hid the name of the abattoir. And it so happens the owner was a Labor supporter and donor. And doubled production. And told no one who worked there.

    Our own Ruby Princess. And like the Ruby Princess, inexplicable. The Ruby Princess since the Diamond Princess had been playing out in the world press for a month as a disease centre and someone decided there was no need to test anyone on the Ruby Princess and they could all just go home quickly. It doesn’t matter how many junior officers are in tears. Someone very high up decided to shortcut the process. And like all good inquiries, they are hiding who made the appalling call in full knowledge of the consequences.

    And Cedar Meats, which was kept completely quiet while the infection exploded. Abattoirs are also a known disaster area. A single infection should have rung every alarm bell.

    But the good news is that isolation has produced extermination, nearly. In London they are thrilled that deaths are under 100 a day. In Australia that is the entire death toll for the country.

    So until a new strain arrives and we must make sure it does not, we are nearly safe. Thanks to somone in the Victorian government though, we have a few more weeks to wait.

    Deaths by maladministration should be tried as criminal negligence.

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      TdeF

      The second wave of H1N1 in 1918 killed everyone infected in just 24 hours. Deaths were double.

      The world’s hospitals and aged care homes should be on a desperate lookout for a benign strain.

      A benign strain would inoculate the world rapidly. It will happen. We just have to find it. And as a live virus, it could inoculate continents in weeks at zero cost. Which would really annoy the big pharmaceutial companies.

      We will need an inoculation to deal with the ongoing mutations, just as with H1N1 which is now just called the flu. And in my opinion, all sickness should be stopped at the border, as used to be the case before and just after rapid jet travel. Fast tourism and inoculations made us careless. If we can stop fruit fly and rabies, we can stop viruses.

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        TdeF

        And perhaps when people are sick at work after this, they will be sent home. Not told to Soldier on.

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        Peter C

        A benign strain would inoculate the world rapidly. It will happen. We just have to find it. And as a live virus, it could inoculate continents in weeks at zero cost. Which would really annoy the big pharmaceutial companies.

        Oh No. Another Big Pharma antagonist. Why is Big Pharma the enemy?

        I think they can and will help here. Big Pharma is a massive resource for the war against microbials.

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          TdeF

          As I have written. 90% of people are good. No one is an enemy of the pharmaceutical companies. They are essential. But individuals in the companies are not the company. As with countries. And politicians. Take WHO as an example of one rotten apple at the top and the harm done.

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          clive hoskin

          Perhaps you should read this ladies story about Major Pharmaceutical companies.
          Researcher Judy Mikovits was arrested without a warrant and jailed without charges for making a controversial scientific discovery. ✦ Dr. Judy Mikovits has been called one of the most accomplished scientist of her generation. Her 1991 doctoral thesis revolutionized the treatment of HIV/AIDS. At the height of her career. Dr. Mikeovits published a blockbuster article in the journal Science. The controversial article sent shockwaves through the scientific community, as it revealed that the common use of animal and human fetal tissues were unleashing devastating plagues of chronic diseases. For exposing their deadly secrets, the minions of Big Pharma waged war on Dr. Mikovits, destroying her good name career and personal life.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YgEd-Kq24U

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          JanEarth

          Agreed Peter C.

          Because of Big Pharma I am alive today because my expiry date was 2008. In addition because of Big Pharma I live with a great quality of life even though I have what is normally a crippling autoimmune disease. Those monoclonal antibodies are the beez neez as are the modern immune modulators. I love Big Pharma so much I have invested heavily in it and have only seen an upside in my investment… mainly great health at the age of 63 when I should have died 12 years ago.

          Go Big Pharma !

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            Peter C

            At Last. Thank You Jan Earth.

            There are so many people who are either alive still or living a much better quality of life who are giving thanks to the big pharmaceutical companies.

            I can’t think of a better example of the advantages of free enterprise as an incentive for public benefit and scientific/technological progress In the World.

            All the naysayers attribute lots of bad things to the “Minions of Big Pharma”, whoever they might be. In reality it is the Government scientists and the university academics who are the most hostile. Anyone one would think that their reference was the movie;”the Fugitive”. Dr Richard Kimbal’s wife is murdered by a mysterious one armed man, who turns out to be in the pay of big Pharma. Kimbal goes through hell but proves his innocence in the end and pins it on Big Pharma (who incidentally also supported his own ethical research).

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        Greg in NZ

        My dad’s two older sisters were taken by the 1918/19 man-made ‘flu’ when they were just little ones. His parents had come out from Scotland as his father was an ‘essential worker’ – a coal miner! – and the colony needed good men to work the seams at Huntly in the Waikato.

        His devastated parents, however, had a pleasant surprise ten years later when my dad was born. Funny how ‘miracles’ happen out of adversity; it was, after all, 1929.

        Over thirty years later, I popped out, and like my father, was the third-born. And for my 1st birthday, I went down with an unknown/unheard of strain of meningitis thanks to whatever vaccines they were jabbing children with in NZ in the early 1960s (I was the ’1′ in those ’1 in 10,000′ possible side-effects). Months of hospitalisation ensued, in-and-out of comas, dying, being resuscitated, the ‘whole nine yards’ as my parents would later say.

        But hey, I’m still here (only slghtly brain-damaged, as my older brother & sister like to remind me) fighting fit, with a now inbuilt mutual distrust of not only Bill Gates-type pharma-pushers but also kooky klimate pushers. Nuff said.

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          OriginalSteve

          I’d been reading that Bill G and his mates are pushing for a RNA – based vaccine in the latest chapter of the Great Corona-Debacle.

          Not only is the vaccine effectively a form of genetic engineering ( and could make you vulnerable to who knows what later…now your DNA is reprogrammed to what they want… *shudder* ) but technically its a form of human experimentation, which has been banned by various conventions.

          Be very vigilant about this – I suspect they will try and shove something through in the next “wave” occurs. They have received a lot of opposition from Tr ump so I expect they will double down on hysteria at some stage, or worse to get their pet vaccine through. We need to do as we’re told apparently, but keep being independent minded. It just wont do.
          They may ramp up a war now and while its all going on, and, look another “new” strain that needs this new vacc……yep….

          I also notice Aunty & the MSM, as commanded, are running almost exclusively pro – vaccine stories….good Aunty…sit…stay…beg….

          No thanks. ( and that’s the polite version… )

          Oh and by the way, apparently the climate hysteria is ramping up again….the economics must be improving enough to warrant more nonsense.

          https://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/fire-season-extends-by-almost-four-months-in-parts-of-australia-20200525-p54w28.html

          “The fire season in parts of eastern Australia has lengthened almost four months since the 1950s, with climate change a prominent driver in the trend, the Bureau of Meteorology says.

          “Karl Braganza, head of the bureau’s climate monitoring, told the first day of public hearings for the Royal Commission into National Natural Disaster Arrangements on Monday that the South Coast of NSW and eastern Victoria now see fire weather arriving three months earlier, occurring towards the end of winter rather than the end of spring.

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            OriginalSteve

            Touching the untouchable – Hydroxycholorquine….worth a watch.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB-_SV-y11Y&feature=youtu.be

            “Full Measure is a weekly Sunday news program focusing on investigative, original and accountability reporting.
            “The host is Sharyl Attkisson, five-time Emmy Award winner and recipient of the Edward R. Murrow award for investigative reporting.
            “She is backed by a team of award winning journalists.

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            Also

            https://townhall.com/columnists/derekhunter/2020/05/21/liberals-would-rather-people-die-than-have-hydroxychloroquine-work-n2569187

            “The battle over hydroxychloroquine as a possible treatment for coronavirus is a testament to just how far gone the left is now. That someone like Joy Behar is paid millions of dollars to spew ignorance on television is a testament to just how far gone merit is. That Joe Biden is the presumptive Democratic Party nominee for president is a testament to society’s tolerance of senior abuse. These three individual fecal storms of stupidity came together this week when President Donald Trump announced he was taking the drug as preventative measure after being exposed to White House staffers who tested positive, and the result was Olympic-level stupid.

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      dinn, rob

      today
      India new cases/active cases 10% rise https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/india/
      …………….
      Russia 9.4/224= 4% rise https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/russia/
      ……….
      Brazil 16/175= 9% rise https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/brazil
      ……………..
      Mexico 33/104= 32% rise https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/mexico

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    Bill In Oz

    The BOM’s over night forecast minimum for Mt Barker in the Adelaide Hill is 3 ( three ) degrees.
    And having just been outside I suspect they are right.It’s cold out there.
    And it’s been cold since mid April.
    Supposedly Winter stats here in SA on the 1st of June
    But when will BOM realise that there is a cold early Winter happening.

    Where the devil is there global Warming ?
    Disappeared up the proverbial fundament I suspect.

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      PeterS

      As most of us here already know, CAGW is a hoax and a scam. Yet it is still being pushed by both major parties. When will it stop? When people stop voting for them, or we suffer a crash and burn that makes everyone focus on the real issues,

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        el gordo

        ‘When will it stop?’

        2022 AD

        If you require evidence, don’t feel embarrassed to ask.

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      Bill in Oz:

      I have realised that the forecasts from the BOM for Mt. Barker (and by extrapolisation here in Woodside just up the river) are completely fictitious and bear little relationship with reality. When I was checking daily forecasts v actual, getting a minimum within ±2℃ was well less than 40%.
      They cover themselves by giving the TV stations next day the figures from Mt. Lofty and the guestimates for Mt. Barker the next day.

      I am reminded about the old University joke(?) about exam scores: the marker throws the papers down the stairs. Those that land on the first stair get an A, Those on the second & third stairs get a B. Those that land on any other stair get a C. Those that land elsewhere are a Fail.

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        Bill In Oz

        Graeme I know that the Mt Barker BOM weather station is shonky.
        I walk past 2-3 times a week and wonder when BOM will fix up the mess there.
        That Fujitsu Air conditioner on the corner of the house 2-3 meters away must be pumping out reverse cycled cold air all day every day in this weather.
        But it is bloody cold outside tonight.
        Cold times are a coming methinks.

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      Bill

      Re “Disappeared up the proverbial fundament I suspect.”

      More heat hiding in the deep?

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      Golly gosh, nobody cares that China is being humbled.
      And three people ( bots ? ) disapprove !

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    Richard Ilfeld

    When you boil it all the way down, thee are two basic ways to run things, incentives and compulsion.
    Rewards and punishments might be another way to put it.
    Adam Smith’s society works best without government; the invisible hand becomes the submissive
    left when overburdened by the mighty right of the state.

    When a controlling voting bloc earns its keep by taxing the productive and distributing the results
    democracy fails. Not a mystery; well understood by the late eighteenth century.

    Government must be sufficiently dispersed such that no single faction controls, and small enough relative
    to the greater society so as not to dominate it. These conditions permit prosperity with freedom.

    We in the west might live long and prosper if we realize that our governments have, fundamentally, failed us in the
    current crisis, doing many unnecessary things badly and failing to do the few necessary things in a timely and efficient fashion.

    It is certainly telling that the partial exceptions, Like governor DeSantis of Florida or governor Noem of South Dakota are being villified in the
    press, self serving apologists for failure.

    We may survive, in the financial crisis to come, if we cast off not only the controls established during the virus period but most of those dating back to
    WW II; I see nothing government has taken responsibility for that, on balance, operates better in public hands or with heavy regulation than it did privately.

    A free court system has proven capable of allowing a broad range of action while limiting abuse, by adjudication, not injunction. The bureaucracy has generally failed
    at the same task.

    The Corona virus has tested the character of our peoples. Most are coping. Many are inspriing. Our governments are, in large part floundering. But they are us, we still vote and may yet be able to repair them. We will have at least one more chance to do so.

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    OriginalSteve

    Its my understanding using RNA for vaccines effectively means RNA manipulation of your DNA, which is effectively human experimentation.

    So for generations to come, your DNA and your descendents DNA is tainted….

    No thanks.

    https://www.statnews.com/2020/03/11/researchers-rush-to-start-moderna-coronavirus-vaccine-trial-without-usual-animal-testing/

    “I don’t think proving this in an animal model is on the critical path to getting this to a clinical trial,” said Tal Zaks, chief medical officer at Moderna, a Cambridge, Mass.-based biotech that has produced a Covid-19 vaccine candidate at record speed. He told STAT that scientists at the National Institutes of Health are “working on nonclinical research in parallel.” Meanwhile, the clinical trial started recruiting healthy participants in the first week of March.

    “That isn’t how vaccine testing normally happens. Regulators require that a manufacturer show a product is safe before it goes into people, and while it isn’t enshrined in law, researchers almost always check that a new concoction is effective in lab animals before putting human volunteers at potential risk.

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/coronavirus-gates-foundation/5706842

    Moderna the vaccine manufacturer, appears to be part funded by the Gates foundation….

    “In addition Gates Foundation monies via CEPI are financing development of a radical new vaccine method known as messengerRNA or mRNA.

    “They are co-funding the Cambridge, Massachusetts biotech company, Moderna Inc., to develop a vaccine against the Wuhan novel coronavirus, now called SARS-CoV-2. Moderna’s other partner is the US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), a part of the National Institutes of Health (NIH). Head of NIAID is Dr Anthony Fauci, the person at the center of the Trump Administration virus emergency response. Notable about the Fauci-Gates Moderna coronavirus vaccine, mRNA-1273, is that it has been rolled out in a matter of weeks, not years, and on February 24 went directly to Fauci’s NIH for tests on human guinea pigs, not on mice as normal. Moderna’s chief medical adviser, Tal Zaks, argued, “I don’t think proving this in an animal model is on the critical path to getting this to a clinical trial.”

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    cedarhill

    Townhall, US Conservative site, posted an article reviewing the latest CDC facts on CV-19 which dramatically (relatively) lowers the death percentages:

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2020/05/24/new-cdc-study-on-coronavirus-should-seal-the-deal-on-debate-concerning-reopening-the-country-n2569367

    Which brings to mind the originator of “..lies travel half-way around the earth…”, Jonathan Swift who actually stated prophetic words regarding CV-19:
    “Falsehood flies, and truth comes limping after it, so that when men come to be undeceived, it is too late; the jest is over, and the tale hath had its effect: like a man, who hath thought of a good repartee when the discourse is changed, or the company parted; or like a physician, who hath found out an infallible medicine, after the patient is dead.”

    It seems we’re on the cusp of having hysterically killed the economies of the West based upon a lie(s) (i.e., the models) aided and abetted by those with political agendas.

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      Stanley

      Correlation does not imply causation. Same with CO2 and temperature.

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        justjoshin

        Indeed. Could be something as simple as wealth distribution. Wealthier people are more likely to travel (increasing the risk of picking up the virus), and they’d live in the affluent suburbs where 5G would be rolled out first.

        The article doesn’t say much about Japan/ South Korea/ Taiwan. All with an extensive 5G infrastructure, and managing the coronavirus pandemic as well as could reasonably be expected.

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      Strop

      Belgium has about the worst Covid-19 figures in Europe but was only getting 5G in some parts in April, and 5G is excluded from Brussels.
      No doubt there are many exceptions to the correlation speculation.

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    StephenP

    The UK suffered similarly with children having to read by learning the shape of the words, resulting in an appalling level of literacy.
    It had become the fashionable way of teaching to read among the educational establishment, and teachers were forced to use this method.
    One parent said that it seemed like teaching to read in Chinese.
    Older children had problems with deciphering chemical names.
    Luckily a Minister of Education saw the problem and had phonics reinstated as the main method of teaching to read.

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    StephenP

    [Duplicate]AD

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    David

    Like others, I hope the coming world cooling will also cool the ardour of the CAGW extremists. However I recall that they argued in the 1970s global cooling that it was due to fossil fuels and CO2 so it will probably swing on regardless. Hope I am wrong!

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    RicDre

    Mexican President Stands Firm on Renewable Energy Ban: “One of the typical scams of the neoliberals”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/05/23/mexican-president-pulls-the-plug-on-renewable-energy-one-of-the-typical-scams-of-the-neoliberals/

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      Dave in the States

      As socialist all over run out of other people’s money, as productivity drops to nil, they find out that green energy scams are very expensive and the usual suspects have been gaming the system.

      This is why greens are demanding that the post apocalypse new normal include lucrative renewables subsidies and that the green agenda does not just get left behind.

      Green fantasies are not at all important when your trying to grow a sick economy. Economies grow on cheap abundant energy, not expensive scarce energy. Fossil fuels will take on a new importance.

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      Serp

      Fabulous. Following a link within the article I discovered the gov dot au website of the Chief Scientist. Words cannot describe the travesty, the charlatanism, I found and quickly fled from. Hydrogen future innit?

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    RicDre

    This Week’s Disasters, Climate Change and the Pandemic brought to you by the New York Times

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/05/24/this-weeks-disasters-climate-change-and-the-pandemic/

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      WXcycles

      Isn’t that called a ‘snow line’?

      Or is that when the partial-pressure of CO2 drops too low for trees to grow?

      Or both?

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    graham dunton

    Two interesting ones from WUWT this morning
    What is the difference between partly sunny and partly cloudy?
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/05/23/what-is-the-difference-between-partly-sunny-and-partly-cloudy/

    USGS Releases First-Ever Comprehensive Geologic Map of the Moon?

    Brilliant images

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/05/24/usgs-first-unified-geologic-map-of-the-moon/

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    Travis T. Jones

    100% Further evidence renewable energy does not prevent global warming:

    10 Feb, 2020: West Australia grid officially hits more than 50% renewables for first time
    https://reneweconomy.com.au/west-australia-grid-officially-hits-more-than-50-renewables-for-first-time-21842/

    May 19, 2020 - Study: Global climate emissions down almost 20% since COVID-19

    “The drop in emissions is substantial but illustrates the challenge of reaching our Paris climate commitments,” said Rob Jackson, chair of the Global Carbon Project at Stanford University and study co-author. “We need systemic change through green energy and electric cars, not temporary reductions from enforced behavior.”

    https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2020/05/19/Study-Global-climate-emissions-down-almost-20-since-COVID-19/7331589905188/?sl=13

    May 24, 2020: Warning to stay inside as dangerous and rare weather event hits WA

    “Meteorologists are predicting large parts of the state will be affected by severe and dangerous weather conditions including wind gusts of up to 130km/h.”

    https://www.9news.com.au/national/wa-weather-storm-rainfall-winds-forecast-bureau-of-meteorology-dfes-warning-to-hit-on-sunday-monday/9cc1db64-c383-42ec-9e56-04e87bd77ae1

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      Another Ian

      More “global warming” (s)

      A few days Weatherzone had a graziers warning re cold temperatures and sheep which extended to the central west of the state.

      I don’t remember ever seeing one of those before

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        Greg in NZ

        Dazed and confused? No, it’s just your ABC-slash-BoM:

        Headline: “‘Unprecedented’ cyclone forms off WA a week out from winter”.

        A BoM spokesmouth explained: “This sort of system has happened in the past, but it’s something that would probably only happen once every two or three years, maybe even once every five to 10″. Unprecedented huh, never happened before, righto. “A similar event occurred in 2012″.

        Obviously ‘the science’ proves our devil gas, CO2, has created the conditions allowing this never-seen-before “out-of-cycle” (sic) cyclone to form. But wait -

        “It’s just a coincidence the cold front came up at the same time and it’s just going to deepen this low”. In other words, 2 + 2 = hot snow! Uh-oh! Do you laugh or cry?

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          WXcycles

          A true tropical cyclone has hit QLD in July before. There may be an official season for them but they can hit at any time.

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    Travis T. Jones

    ABC Insiders on Sunday asked Greg Sheridan about coal.

    This twitter link includes green heads exploding in the comments:

    Greg Sheridan whether the Federal Government’s new technology investment roadmap “puts the nail in the coffin of the idea of new coal fired power stations being built?

    https://twitter.com/InsidersABC/status/1264345763221368832

    Factcheck:

    China prioritises employment over GDP growth in coronavirus recovery

    “In March, five new coal-fired power plants totalling 7,960 MW were approved for construction– more than during the whole of 2019.”

    https://www.climatechangenews.com/2020/05/22/china-prioritises-employment-gdp-growth-coronavirus-recovery/

    Asia’s pandemic stimulus may slow the demise of coal

    Coal power plant construction will push ahead in Asia despite falling electricity demand and environmental concerns as policymakers prioritise boosting economies crippled by the coronavirus pandemic, analysts say.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-asia-coal-analysis/asias-pandemic-stimulus-may-slow-the-demise-of-coal-idUSKBN22O0KY

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    Here is the conclusion: Dominion Energy loves all these enormous expenses, because the more they spend the more they make. It is the rate payers that should revolt.

    Dominion Energy proposes 40% rate hike in Virginia to pay for “net zero carbon”

    By David Wojick
    https://www.cfact.org/2020/05/23/dominion-energy-proposes-40-rate-hike-in-virginia-to-pay-for-net-zero-carbon/

    In a sane world no electric company would propose a 40% rate increase. That Dominion Energy has just done this for Virginia shows how crazy net zero carbon laws really are.

    The Legislature has in effect ordered Dominion to spend untold billions of dollars rebuilding their power generation system by adding a huge collection of expensive intermittent wind and solar. Dominion loves this because they will make a fortune at ratepayer’s expense.

    As a regulated monopoly Dominion makes a good profit on every dollar they spend, as long as the projects are approved. In this case they are in effect mandated by Virginia’s new net zero carbon law. As Kant said, to will the end is to will the means, so the law mandates as much wind and solar generation as possible. This lets the utility rebuild its asset base on a massive scale.

    Dominion’s new 15 year plan calls for ongoing rate increases of about 3% per year for the next 10 years. This works out to roughly 40% over the decade, a huge increase by normal utility standards. The promise is that someday this massive investment will actually lead to savings, but the huge cost is here and now. Given that they have something like 2.4 million customers this is a lot of money, a good chunk of which will go to the stockholders. Thanks to smaller renewables projects the dividends have already been growing nicely. Under the net zero mandate they should grow dramatically. The poor paying the rich. Raises to all executives.

    The renewables build is breathtaking. On the exotic side there is over 5,000 MW of offshore wind generation. Conventional land based wind costs around a million dollars a MW, which would be a cool $5 billion. But offshore wind is much more expensive to build.

    Then there is a whopping 16,000 MW of new solar generation, for many more billions of dollars.

    The typical utility scale solar project is just a few hundred MW so this is an enormous amount.

    There is also a reported 2,700 MW of storage, probably billions of dollars worth of batteries. However, batteries are not generators, so MW is just the discharge rate. What the storage capacity might be is anybody’s guess, so there is no way to tell how much the batteries might backup the intermittent renewables.

    Together these three items add up to about 24,000 MW. By coincidence this is roughly equal to Dominion’s total existing generating capacity, a lot of which will be shut down as the renewables come online, especially their fossil fuel capacity.

    Note that approval of the plan, which has yet to occur, does not mean the numerous expensive projects are approved. It is more of an invitation to propose specific projects. No engineering has been done at this point, so the cost estimates may well change.

    The extensive and massive offshore wind facilities will be especially challenging. Unlike Europe, where most offshore wind has been developed, offshore Virginia is subject to relatively frequent hurricanes and tropical storms. This vulnerability may require a different and stronger design for both the towers and their foundations. Thus the cost estimates in the plan may well be very low, especially if these estimates are based on the European experience.

    What the 15 year plan does not say is that this is just the first of two or more hugely expensive steps. For one thing this huge buildup does not get the utility even close too net zero emissions, which the law requires in 2045. There is still a lot of gas fired capacity in Dominion’s system.

    Of course under the strange concept of “net” zero it is okay to have fossil fuel emissions as long as those are offset somehow. The reality is that offsets may not be possible at the scale needed. If everyone else is also shooting for net zero then everyone will need offsets, which means there might not be any for sale. Or they might be hugely expensive.

    For example, Virginia already has huge federal forests, well over a million acres worth. So planting trees to offset emissions might require buying valuable farm land just to fill with new trees. There is also talk of technologies to remove CO2 from the air. Then too there is flue gas CO2 capture with storage in deep wells. Any of these will be very expensive and none are included in the wildly expensive present 15 year plan.

    But then there is also the problem that makes anything even remotely close to 100% renewables unworkable. This is the fact that there will be times when there is zero wind and solar generation, even though the need for electricity is as big as it gets (called peak demand).

    This problem is called the Bermuda high, which sounds like fun but is not. It is a massive high pressure system that causes summer heat waves. In Virginia this often means temperatures near 100 for a week at a time, which causes the maximum use of electricity the state will see.

    A big feature of this stagnant high is that there is is no useful wind power. Wind generators need sustained wins of 25-30 mph to generate full power. With winds less than 8-10 mph they generate nothing and this is what you get during a Bermuda high.

    And of course there are hot nights, with no solar generation as well, during these no wind power events. In fact solar only produces full power for 6-8 hours a day. So we can expect a series of 16 hour periods with near peak demand but no wind or solar power. Note that at today’s prices batteries are far too expensive to do this backup job. The biggest battery backup sites in the world only provide about 20 minutes of backup, not 16 hours a day for solar or a week’s worth for wind. But if the solar is going flat out to meet demand it cannot also be used to charge the batteries for that night.

    In short, to keep the lights on Dominion has to have reliable, long duration backup power equal to the output of their entire wind and solar capacity. That is another huge expense that is not in the present plan.

    To summarize, there are at least three reasons why the incredible 40% rate hike is just the beginning of outrageously expensive electricity in Dominion’s Virginia.

    First the cost estimate for the present plan may well be far too low, especially for the massive offshore wind generation.

    Second, the present plan does not even come close to meeting the 2045 net zero carbon requirements.

    Third, going to intermittent wind and solar for primary generation requires an enormous amount of reliable backup capacity, especially for protracted periods of hot weather with low wind speeds.

    Dominion Energy loves all these enormous expenses, because the more they spend the more they make. It is the rate payers that should revolt.

    Please share this. It is true of a lot of utilities.

    David

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      RicDre

      David, an excellent post. One comment, when you say “The reality is that offsets may not be possible at the scale needed” you are assuming the offsets have to be real, but with a little creative accounting I would think they could come up with as many offsets as are required, perhaps similar to the way that Governments come up additional money to inject into the economy whenever they think its necessary.

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    MudCrab

    Notrickszone

    Looks like ANOTHER Ship of Fools stuck in ice that “science” told them no longer exists.

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      Bill In Oz

      leave them there till Spring thaw.
      Hold on it is Spring already.
      Oh let thm wait till till Summer thaw

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      Serp

      There’s a point where being well-meaning doesn’t excuse stupidity; strip them of their navigation certification say I.

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    Another Ian

    “Deliberate Nursing Home Infection – Italy, New York, Dem. States”

    https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2020/05/24/deliberate-nursing-home-infection-italy-new-york-dem-states/

    Gives another nod to ivermectin

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      Bill In Oz

      E M on the ball once again. A major review of what is now known about COVID 19
      And what works to prevent infection and stay healthy,
      And what works to cure infection as well
      Ivermectin as well as that anti-malaria drug being promoted by Trump.

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    Peter Fitzroy

    The US has finally banned travel from Brazil. The question is why now?

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      el gordo

      Because its finally dawned on the US authorities that we are dealing with something out of the box. According to this morning’s Daily Terror …

      ‘A scientist says it is a possibility that an animal was infected by two different types of coronavirus and that COVID-19 was the result of a mutation.’

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      RickWill

      The question is why now?

      Brazil now has a higher reproductive rate than the US. People entering from Brazil are more likely to spread the virus than US citizens who have been keeping away from each other. Brazil is one of the few locations still experiencing exponential growth in cases:
      http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countries&highlight=Brazil&show=25&y=highlight&scale=linear&data=cases-daily-7#countries

      The alternative answer is that the US response generally was quite silly. Lock downs without border controls was nothing short of sabotage. Same in the UK. Arrogance beyond belief displayed by many pulling the strings; typified by emerging dingbat Dominic Cummings:
      https://www.sbs.com.au/news/boris-johnson-under-pressure-to-sack-top-uk-aide-over-cross-country-travel
      Total arrogance – do as I say not as I do.

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        beowulf

        Don’t go swallowing the SBS version of events so readily Rick. Whilst the Dominic-Boris dynamic duo is not exactly a stable, winning team and I’m no fan, there is a lot more to that Cummings saga. Driving all the way from London to Durham was stupid, but there were allegedly extenuating circumstances involving the care of his young son. Incidentally, the rabid media mob screaming at his front doorstep, demanding his head, were also seen to not be observing any social distancing whatsoever in their antics.

        The real reason they are unhappy with Dominic is that he supposedly discovered and axed a Remainer plot hatched by the Deep State while he and Boris were laid up in their sickbeds: a plot to extend the Brexit Implementation Period by a further 2 years. Apparently the plotters almost had it in the bag after a secret deal with EU operatives. The Whitehall sewer is still full of rats. The media and Deep State desperately want to get rid of Cummings.

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          RickWill

          Cummings is not denying he did it – he is a certified dingbat for doing so.

          My son and partner live in the UK with their young son. They have been taking week off from work in turns to look after the little fellow; not like they can get Australian grandparents to rush over and give them a hand. I have an Australian friend with children in the UK in exactly the same situation. I figure there would be millions in the same circumstances in the UK.

          Absolutely no circumstances where Cummings should be breaking the rules that all other brits have to abide by at risk of fines or worse – simply an arrogant dingbat, full of his own importance. Like Neil Ferguson and Catherine Calderwood – more arrogant dingbats breaking their own rules:
          https://thehill.com/policy/international/496366-top-uk-health-adviser-quits-after-report-of-visits-from-girlfriend

          It is no wonder the CV19 death toll in the UK is up with the worst. Dingbats in charge of policy is not a recipe for success.

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          WXcycles

          Incidentally, the rabid media mob screaming at his front doorstep, demanding his head, were also seen to not be observing any social distancing whatsoever in their antics.

          oh, pick-pick, these brave hearts put themselves out there every day to sell ad space with nothing but creative dishonesty — it’s dangerous work!

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    Robber

    Last Friday May 22nd was a cool day across eastern Australia as winter approaches, despite the global warming emergency. So how did our electricity generators in the AEMO network cope in meeting the evening peak demand of 28,431 MW, the highest maximum in the last month?
    Coal 17,176 MW
    Gas 5,837 MW
    Hydro 4,039 MW
    Wind 1,367 MW
    Solar 0.0 MW
    Battery 13 MW
    Yes, those intermittent ‘ruinables’ of wind and solar delivered just 4.85% of the electricity we needed to keep the lights on and the heaters running.
    And that came from a massive investment of 7,000 MW in wind generators and about 10,000 MW of solar.
    Yet still we have governments in Australia declaring that more of the same is the way to go, with no economic analysis, just a wild belief that they can “save the planet”.
    Meanwhile China continues to build coal-fired power stations.

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    To AndyG.

    Thanks for that link to the article at WUWT on The Looming Failure of Wind Energy. I got the link when you posted it originally, but the time to reply was a long time after that, so I did not think anyone would be back. Again, thanks for the link.

    Good article really. Nice to see that articles speaking out against wind power are gaining more traction, and more people are actually doing it.

    A lot in the comments as well.

    Tony.

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      Kalm Keith

      Thanks Tony and Andy.

      This is a huge document with lots of detail.

      It would be great as a reference to be used in conjunction with a summary showing comparative build costs for both wind and baseload plants for a particular amount of power.

      Then allocate the present hidden cost of rectifying the wind power and compare again.

      The take the plant replacement cost and maintenance for both coal and wind generation over a nominal 30 year period.

      Of course point out the shutting down of Australian industry because of high power costs and the loss of efficiency due to the fact that industry can use power outside of household hours.

      Then to be unpleasant, point out the huge pollution toxicity issues associated with wind and the regular, almost impossible, decommissioning of wind turbine blades and associated material.

      An expensive nightmare that’s too complex for the average consumer to see, that’s why summaries are so useful.

      KK

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        It’s basically as I have been saying all along, (and using Bayswater as the example since day one, twelve years ago) all of that wind power that has come on line, and only NOW have they JUST reached the total yearly power generation of Bayswater.

        Bayswater is just 11% of existing coal fired Nameplate.

        So, whatever wind power there is ….. RIGHT NOW, just multiply that by FIVE to reach 50% renewables, and that’s what needs to be installed to reach that 50% by 2030, barely nine years from now, and keep in mind the lead time of six years and more for the construction, and the replacement of existing wind plants that have reached their 15/20 year use by date in that time.

        The existing Nameplate for wind plants is 7295MW, so that’s a build total of 36,500MW. The largest wind plant in Australia is Macarthur at 420MW so that’s 87 Macarthur’s, so that’s ten Macarthur’s a year. Macarthur cost $1.2Billion, so $12 billion a year, each year for the next nine years.

        Perhaps now you realise just why that will ….. NEVER happen.

        Tony.

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      AndyG55

      No problem, Thought you would enjoy it. :-)

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    dinn, rob

    This guy, Deigin, has some key stuff on gain-of-function synthetic viruses, how the research keeps augmenting powers of viruses synthetically, a must see:
    4-22-20 “Infectious clone technology” stands for creating live synthetic viral clones. Considering the heights of user friendliness and automation that genetic engineering tools have attained, creating a synthetic CoV2 via the above methodology would be in reach of even a grad student….
    So the virologists are puzzled. Where did this 12 nucleotide insert (in Sars-Cov-2 genome) come from? Could it be lab-made? Well, virologists have studied furin sites in coronaviruses for decades, and have introduced many artificial ones in a lab. For example, an American team had inserted RRSRR into the spike protein of the first SARS-CoV back in 2006:…And the Japanese have inserted a similar site (RRKR) into the SARS-CoV protein in 2008, though a bit downstream than in CoV2:…In 2009, another American group also worked on “improving” SARS-CoV and, continuing the American tradition of not penny-pinching on arginines, they inserted as many as 4 of them (RRSRR):…
    But the most recent work of this kind that I came across was an October 2019 paper from several Beijing labs, where the new furin site RRKR was inserted into not just some pseudovirus, but into an actual live chicken coronavirus, infectious bronchitis virus (IBV):….
    What I do hope it highlights is the scale of dangerous gain-of-function research that has been and is going on in virology. The Covid-19 pandemic really exposed its huge risks in the face of few benefits: GOF research hasn’t protected us from this outbreak, hasn’t provided us with any effective treatments or vaccines in time to save hundreds of thousands of lives lost to CoV2, and if there is even a 0.1% chance GOF research caused the whole thing, that chance is too high. https://medium.com/@yurideigin/lab-made-cov2-genealogy-through-the-lens-of-gain-of-function-research-f96dd7413748

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    Annie

    A very good article, thanks for posting it. The graphs didn’t show up but the article was good to read. Some very interesting comments too.
    I cannot keep up with WUWT, so much to read!

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    Serp

    Hazelwood chimneys are being blown up today.

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    Another Ian

    “Q: HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE – MIRACLE CURE OR FISH TANK CLEANER? A: ORANGE MAN BAD”

    https://richardsonpost.com/howellwoltz/17424/hydroxychloroqine-is-bad-because-trump-says-it-isnt/

    “Let’s start with the history of this ancient medicine derived from the bark of The Cinchona Tree. “During the 300 years between its introduction into Western medicine and World War I, quinine was the only effective remedy for malaria.”

    So, the first point is, this drug has been used in Europe since Spanish explorers discovered the Incan people using it circa 1580 to cure malaria – and it was the only known cure during those centuries, saving lives safely.

    In fact, it takes roughly ten times as much quinine to overdose as aspirin.”

    And more

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    dinn, rob

    yes, Org. of African States hq also was bugged/built by China
    5-20-20 Chinese companies have constructed or renovated (or both) at least 186 sensitive African government buildings; Chinese telecommunications firms have built at least 14 intra-governmental, “secure” telecommunications networks; and the Chinese government has gifted computers to at least 35 African governments. https://www.heritage.org/asia/report/government-buildings-africa-are-likely-vector-chinese-spying

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    Great discussion between Christopher Monckton and Naomi Seibt about the concept of ‘consensus in science’: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZrORkOGdYY

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    David

    What a disappointment! The Australian Government’s ‘Technology Investment Roadmap’ is not a strategy document leading to low-cost, reliable electricity, rather its a complex and winding pathway to the fairies at the bottom of the garden.

    It describes gas as the answer to back-up unreliable solar and wind and unrealistically assumes gas prices will stay low, enabling lower electricity prices. It calls renewables as the future mainstay of our grid, yet in reality it would be gas base-load with renewables peaking ability, when available! The word ‘coal’ is mentioned 20 times yet, ‘emissions’ is on every page. ‘Nuclear’ is relegated to the never never in concept and timeframes!

    I thought we were getting a strategy to reduce costs and increase reliability with emissions reduction as a backdrop. Sadly this is not true.

    There is no analysis in the post Covid-19 world of our need for low-cost, reliable base-load electricity to increase our manufacturing base, yet the strategy is to encourage import of short-lived Chinese wind turbines and solar panels at the expense of Australian-sourced steel, building materials and plentifully available coal. ‘Technology neutral’ is just a mindless catch phrase while we continue to allow subsidies for any technology, especially renewables.

    Neither fish nor fowl, the report has already been castigated by the left media and deserves further criticism from those on the sensible right.

    What a disappointment!

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      RickWill

      I stated this in a previous thread. The Federal Government had estimated AUD130bn in jobkeeper payments. It appears there was a significant overestimation in numbers. So AUD60bn will not be required but has already been budgeted.

      That AUD60bn will build quite a few wind farms. Gets employment up and running. Creates an endless hit on households through their energy bills. Creates great opportunities for banks and investors to get their slice of that particular lump of new money. All good unless you are the average householder.

      Anyone expecting anything different from the Roadmap have not read the discussion paper:
      https://consult.industry.gov.au/climate-change/technology-investment-roadmap/supporting_documents/technologyinvestmentroadmapdiscussionpaper.pdf

      SEPTEMBER 2019: A collaboration of technology experts from key public service agencies led by the Department of Industry, Science, Energy and Resources and supported by CSIRO and ARENA meets to commence a survey of low emissions technologies to support the development of the Roadmap.

      Government Department, CSIRO and ARENA to develop the Roadmap – What is going to be the outcome?

      When I see the ABC air Michael Moore’s new film “Planet of the Humans”in prime time I will feel there is a turning point getting closer.

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        Serp

        Any idea how many more years of this wrongheaded policy we will be subjected to RickWill? All the annual billions profits are taken offshore innit? Whatever happened to the notion of nation building?

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        yarpos

        Easier to adjust a budget than borrow another 60 bill to waste on useless cr@p.

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    John Hinderaker asks an interesting couple of questions:

    A final observation: why are new cases becoming rare, when countries like the U.K. and the U.S. haven’t had anywhere near enough coronavirus infections to approach herd immunity (at least, as far as we know)? Why do viruses die out? Epidemics follow a bell curve; they disappear long before they infect everyone in a population. Why? Am I the only one who feels like epidemiologists know less than I had always assumed?

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      WXcycles

      John Hinderaker asks an interesting couple of questions: … why are new cases becoming rare

      What totally dishonest BS!

      The last 24 hours:

      USA +19,608 new cases

      UK +2,405 new cases

      Is this the guy you’re referring too?

      John C. Hinderaker

      Education
      Hinderaker earned his Bachelor of Arts, with honors, from the University of California, Santa Barbara and his Juris Doctor, magna cum laude, from the University of Arizona College of Law, where he was a member of the Arizona Law Review.[2]

      Legal career
      Upon graduation from law school, Hinderaker served as a law clerk to Judge John Roll and Magistrate Judge Raymond T. Terlizzi, both of the United States District Court for the District of Arizona. He was a partner at Lewis Roca Rothgerber Christie in Tucson, Arizona, where his practice focused on commercial litigation.[2]

      Did that guy even look at the current data?

      https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
      https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

      Or does he always talk out of his posterior?

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        It was after Prof. Adrian Hill, Director of the Oxford University’s Jenner Institute, has said there is only a 50-50 chance that the vaccine his team has been developing can be successfully tested. The good Prof said: “It is a race, yes. But it’s not a race against the other guys,” he said. “It’s a race against the virus disappearing – and against time. We said earlier in the year that there was an 80% chance of developing an effective vaccine by September. But at the moment, there’s a 50% chance that we get no result at all.”

        Fancy that – not enough cases anymore to provide a statistical sample to test a vaccine. And WXCycles, as usual, gets totally distracted by his predetermined view so that he attacks the reporter, not the scientist’s statement, the idea or the subsequent questions. There ought to be a lesson in there for you WXcycles. But I expect you won’t notice it.

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          WXcycles

          There isn’t, look at your first statement, look at my reply.

          Do you see a message for you there?

          And I notice you changed the subject now.

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          He was talking about within the UK. If they are ready for testing in 3 months and cases are low you need a lot of people in the trial who could potentially be infected. And I mean a lot given the short time they want to test within. Say 100,000 people of which – in three months time – might mean 10 cases due to the effects of the control measures. If you get zero cases that might still be within a 2SDs so maybe you need 500,000 tests. This is a logistical nightmare. The alternative is to hotfoot it to a region where the virus is logarithmic.

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            WXcycles

            He was talking about within the UK

            Fine, here’s the UK’s data:

            https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/uk/

            Does that look like a rarity of cases in the UK today?

            This is what he said.

            ” … A final observation: why are new cases becoming rare, when countries like the U.K. … “

            And I said.

            “What totally dishonest BS!”

            Which is true.

            Point out to me Gee Aye within his first comment above where he said anything about tests or experiments? He didn’t. So he’s now changing the subject.

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              I’m interpreting the comment and agree about the change of subject being a rude ruse.

              I have no argument with your casual comment that case numbers look high but the Dr was not talking about today but when the trial is ready to run (with my fake figures being within the realms of possible). If the UK squashes that curve the trial is harder to undertake within its borders.

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              Bill In Oz

              WXC we have dingbat fake data pushers on the blog
              Along with bot red thumbers….
              The aim is a simple one : to promote confusion.

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        WXcycles

        When you confront lies with facts they give you red thumbs.

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          Perhaps I’m not making myself clear. Prof Hill has said that there may not be sufficient new cases to generate any valid testing of a vaccine. Is that easier to understand?

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            WXcycles

            Correct, you are not, this is what you said, and what I replied to …

            David
            May 25, 2020 at 11:52 am · Reply
            John Hinderaker asks an interesting couple of questions:

            A final observation: why are new cases becoming rare, when countries like the U.K. and the U.S. haven’t had anywhere near enough coronavirus infections to approach herd immunity

            Was I supposed to reply to something else?

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      RickWill

      Herd immunity is a silly concept when dealing with serious threats to human life. Humans are thinking animals where self-preservation is a dominant motivation. For example, who would board an aeroplane if 1 in 60 flights crashed killing everyone on board!

      The threshold for so-called herd immunity is given by (Ro-1)/Ro, where Ro is the reproductive number. If Ro is less than 1 then the threshold has been passed; meaning the rate of infection will reduce. The drastic efforts to quarantine people had an immediate impact on reproductive rate, typically taking it below 1. Hence herd immunity was achieved as soon as the stay at home rules were introduced. The number of daily cases started to decline about 12 days after the home quarantine began wherever it was introduced.

      Prior to that, the UK had the highest reproductive rate of anywhere apart from New York. My estimate of the reproductive rate in the UK was 2.8. So the herd immunity threshold with everyone carrying on in a normal fashion would require 64% of people to be infected. The point is that the vast majority of people take their own precautions once the realise the severity of the virus.

      With number of deaths in UK now at 36,675 and taking an actual death rate of 1.4%, the number infected in the UK is now around 2.6M people. This is roughly 10 times the number of cases actually detected.

      Providing care is taken to avoid close contact and people with the earliest symptoms self-quarantine then the number of daily cases should continue to decline. However, with exponential decay, it takes a long time to get rid of the last few cases. Australia is now finding this out.

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    Furiously curious

    Art with a different medium – wind

    A screen shot from 10 days ago of the 30 000m altitude. The system did go pretty much down to the surface.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/149157242@N05/49931985323/in/dateposted-public/

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      Greg in NZ

      Wow, carbon dioxide causes jet stream(s) to loop-the-loop & up-and-down: how much d’ya reckon it’ll cost to fix (oops, I mean, mitigate) that!

      Just heard on the radio 3pm NZST (I’m painting in the shed) Aus’ Channel 9 has sold its stuff.co.nz to the CEO for $1. To paraphrase the proud new owner, Sinead Boucher – there’s no need to discuss whether climate change is real, what we need is [and I quote] “vigorous and robust debate” on how we’re going to mitigate it.

      Same as it ever was – rubbish!

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    Peter Fitzroy

    In other news (and this might be hard to swallow for some of you)

    Some time ago China agreed to buy more grains from the USA – in part to end the sanctions
    One of those grains was Barley
    Some time ago (coincidently at the same time as that agreement) China indicated that it thought that Australia was dumping Barley on the Chinese Market.
    Now
    China has stopped Barley from Australia, but is now buying from the US.

    Damn subtle

    h/t The Australian, and the SMH

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      Bill In Oz

      Very bloody subtle Fitz. The USA does not export barley.
      Here are the top nbarley exporters in the world :
      France: US$1.5 billion (22.5% of total barley exports)
      Russia: $762 million (11.3%)
      Australia: $726.7 million (10.8%)
      Argentina: $719.8 million (10.7%)
      Canada: $532.1 million (7.9%)
      Ukraine: $445.1 million (6.6%)
      United Kingdom: $370.4 million (5.5%)
      Germany: $309.5 million (4.6%)
      Kazakhstan: $299.5 million (4.5%)
      Romania: $211.2 million (3.1%)
      Denmark: $118.2 million (1.8%)
      Estonia: $80.9 million (1.2%)
      Hungary: $79.3 million (1.2%)
      Lithuania: $55.3 million (0.8%)
      Czech Republic: $50.4 million (0.7%)

      http://www.worldstopexports.com/barley-exports-by-country/

      It would be good if you could find an arggument based on actual facts once in awhile.

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      dinn, rob

      where is fitzroy getting this stuff??????

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        the Murdoch press.

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          el gordo

          The Murdocracy and Fairfax, its a balanced perspective and I gave Fitz a tick.

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          robert rosicka

          Actually Gee Aye he got it from the ABC I was listening to the exact same story earlier , as far as I can tell the CCP were unhappy with some aspect of our Barley imports for some time maybe a year and a half .
          Trumps last squeeze on trade with the CCP did include barley but exact details that are accurate I haven’t seen .

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            el gordo

            Yep, devil is in the detail.

            ‘In January, China pledged to buy an extra $US200bn of American farm products and other goods and services over two years as part of a “phase one” agreement between Trump and Xi.

            ‘China announced this month that it would immediately allow barley imports from the US – which came at a time when Australian barley exporters were trying to prevent the steep new tariffs being imposed.’ Guardian

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            Peter Fitzroy

            Lucky for me the freebie news outlets supported the paid ones

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    WXcycles

    Chairman Uncle Sam’s endless fiddle with the active cases is beginning to make Chairman Xi’s data-fiddlers look like pikers.

    Current USA actives graph:
    https://i.ibb.co/jHmL54C/US-Active-graph-editing.png

    Source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

    I detected such US editing about 6 weeks ago but initial data massaging, although large, was more subtle. But it’s since escalated to a level of blatant cheek, the active daily numbers are actually going negative due to it. Someone will have an handy explanation for why this is OK, I’m sure.

    Even the CCP didn’t do anything that absurd. In fact the CCP revised their numbers upwards several times when people mocked how rigged the Chinese data are.

    Data table shows the growing scale of the downplaying of active numbers. They are not even revising individual days, just dumping it all in the current day’s data.

    Table of new active:
    https://i.ibb.co/vh6mjfB/US-Active-cases-manipulations.png

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    Don B

    Jo -

    In your prior post about the Lancet study concerning HCQ, I made the comment that an article about a study involving giving HCQ or chloroquine to 40,000 medical workers made no mention of using zinc.

    https://www.tropicalmedicine.ox.ac.uk/news/copcov-begins-to-test-in-uk-if-chloroquine-and-hydroxychloroquine-prevent-covid-19

    To make sure the lack of a comment of using zinc was not just an oversight, I emailed an academic involved with the study. His response:

    “The study just tests hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine versus no intervention. A you can see from the number of patients that will be enrolled, large numbers are needed to be able to measure an effect of the intervention. Such randomized controlled trials are the only way of really finding out of something works. Adding another intervention, such as zinc, would mean a significant increase in the study size if one wanted to understand the effect of each individual intervention.”

    Nonsense.

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      Don,

      Thanks for that. Good on you for seeking some answers. It is correct that they would need a larger study if they were to split the results into HCQ, HCQ + Zn, and possibly Zn on it’s own, and a control.

      But it also doesn’t sound like they are too keen to do that properly. It’s not like there are lives at stake…

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        Zn is already in the body. How much is already available to HCQ? ie what is the effective HCQ+Zn in a person with average Zn intake and what is the variance. If bodily Zn is already supplying a good percentage then there is possibly little to be gained and any boost would need an enormous sample to get statistically significant detection. Any Zn supplement will just enrich the urine.

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        Peter Fitzroy

        in the US
        https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04342728
        IN AUS
        https://about.unimelb.edu.au/newsroom/news/2020/april/world-first-trial-to-test-benefit-of-intravenous-zinc-in-covid-19-fight
        There is plenty of action around zinc, and it looks to be a better candidate than whatever Trump is taking

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          David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

          Two things: “whatever Trump is taking” includes zinc, mentioned in the initial reports, but not since; and the Melbourne trial seems to ignore the trouble zinc has in getting into the cell to kill the virus, a problem resolved by hcq as it is a zinc ionophore, opening a path for the zinc through the cell wall.
          Cheers
          Dave B

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            AndyG55

            Poor Peter, stuck with TDS again.. Incurable.

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            Peter Fitzroy

            What makes you think he’s not taking a placebo- it is equally likely

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              Bill In Oz

              You seem keen to divert all discussion towards Trump and what he is doing to prevent himself becoming infected.

              I’m sure many of us are curious about that question.
              But as it is a [personal medical issue,
              He has a right ( just like YOU Fitz )
              To PRIVACY.

              Time for you to bug out of this issue.

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    Re gas supplies – from one in the industry

    “My pet whinge at the moment is the promotion of gas as the answer to all of our energy problems.

    If the politicians would just pick up the phone to the Mines Department and talk to someone they could get the skinny and it wouldn’t take long.

    We don’t have any gas on the east coast.

    We drilled every pimple years ago, unless we go looking under the Barrier Reef. Good luck with that!”

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    Another Ian

    ““Anti-Greta” Naomi Seibt Strikes Back at Climate Activist Misanthropy”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/05/24/anti-greta-naomi-seibt-strikes-back-at-climate-activist-misantropy/

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    el gordo

    At the bushfire royal commission BoM follows the party line.

    ‘The Bureau of Meteorology has told the royal commission into last summer’s bushfires the season “played out” the way its forecasts said it would.

    ‘The commission, which is hearing about how Australia can better prepare for, and respond to, natural disasters, today heard from its first witnesses, who focused on climate change and the financial impact of the fires.’ Weatherzone

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      AndyG55

      “who focused on climate change”

      How does a cooling climate cause more intense bush fires?

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        el gordo

        Of course our people will get a hearing and say its a natural cycle and even blind Freddy could see it was going to be a horrendous bushfire season.

        If we are not heard then its a whitewash.

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    el gordo

    The US ambassador has hosed down speculation that the Vic Belt and Road is a risk to the Five Eyes alliance, nevertheless this is unacceptable.

    ‘The non-legally-binding agreement allows Victorian infrastructure experts to get access to the hundreds of billions of dollars of projects slated for the Belt and Road.

    ‘It also encourages Chinese infrastructure firms to establish a presence in Victoria and to bid for major infrastructure projects.’ ABC

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    Kalm Keith

    To Geoff,

    I agree with your view of Jane’s comment.

    When she first arrived here she made a very offensive comment directed at me personally that was not provoked in any way.

    None of us is perfect but Jane Arth uses abuse as argument and has an unusual sense of self indulgence that shows in the earlier post.

    It’s O.K. for her to be “angry” because some old white male boomer she took offence to on a bus, or something, made her upset. It wasn’t her fault. O.K. Jane, I got the message.

    d. u. g. KK

    http://joannenova.com.au/2020/05/weekend-unthreaded-312/#comment-2332736

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    UK-Weather Lass

    Since consensus is, by definition, majority agreement in a belief, not in a provable fact, then there should be no situation where action should be based entirely upon this belief, whether in political matters or any other professional discipline. In science a thesis is prepared via an argument and evidence, through observation, controlled experiment, data collection and analysis, from which conclusion is drawn. This invites others to replicate the experiments, or use different methods of discovery, to reach their own conclusions about the original thesis. Nobody in this scenario is attempting to construct a belief, and no consensus can therefore be reached. What is reached is a scientific idea of how something works. Nobody ever knows if a working thesis is ever complete although there is a certainty about things that stand the test of time (e.g. gravity) as being strong candidates for being the best knowledge we currently have.

    I worry that the SARS-CoV-2 epidemic has been as taken over by consensus as has been climate science, and wonder just what has happened to diversity of opinion and originality of thought in the last few decades. Is this because formula business, especially at corporate level, has discovered that a Bell curve median ideal exists for money making just as it does for almost any other something you care to measure? Analysis of viewing will demonstrate just what ideas lead to the greatest uptake of that idea via the consensus view, because the computer models used on a wider scale can also be adapted to lead you to watch something you would not have watched before these models existed. In other words your belief system is being brainwashed because what you are really looking for to watch is A) something that nobody makes anymore because it isn’t fashionable, B) the money makers deliberately avoid this ‘propaganda’ as stuff they detested when constructing their models, or C) you should be ashamed of yourself for even thinking that sort of stuff should be available to view. Most popular search algorithms are positively tuned not to take you where you might find what you want because the corporate computer model says ‘No’.

    Even in the latest UK lockdown controversy surrounding Cummings, it would seem Johnson is looking for consensus as his way out, a point supported much further up this thread where the whole notion is politicised rather than treated as ‘if Cummings was not Cummings how would he have been dealt with and would Johnson have also deliberately covered up facts known about him as he has done with Cummings?’.

    Perhaps we need to get out of consensus mode PDQ and we should start by not using Google, Facebook, YouTube, etc. (and the list is a long one) because they believe in consensus and do not believe in freedom of choice at all. Either that or we face a very dumb and dull future.

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    cedarhill

    There are sane Brits still left in the UK willing to ask questions which should be asked and answered but, as she says, won’t. Found on a conservative web sit and I do like the Brit accent:

    https://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2020/05/5-things-i-have-learned-covid-19-katie-hopkins/

    Noting the NHS has enormous funding issues contributing to the periodic scandal reporting in the Brit tabloids…

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    Broadie

    Increase in daily positivity rate in the University of Washington’s Virology Department daily COVID-19 results.

    https://depts.washington.edu/labmed/covid19/

    This may be a significant variation from what was a downward trend in positives as a proportion of those tested.

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    Another Ian

    The risks of using quinine and derivatives – from a medico friend

    ” We have used Quinine compounds in Australia for decades for 1. heart irregularities (no longer used) 2. leg cramps (no longer allowed) 3. rheumatoid diseases (still used).

    The risk from the quinine used for leg cramps was a 1/100,000 risk of low platelets (blood cells which help stop bleeding) which was fatal in 2-3% of cases ie a 1 per 3 million risk of death from the drug.

    Pretty small in my opinion given that the drug most commonly used in Australia for Diabetes has a 1/60,000 risk of death!”

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    Another Ian


    The Not-So-Novel Coronavirus
    Posted on May 25, 2020 by tonyheller

    The mass media induced mass panic – by telling people they were experiencing some new apocalypse called the “novel coronavirus.” But it turns out that most of the population already had immunity”

    More at

    https://realclimatescience.com/2020/05/the-not-so-novel-coronavirus/

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    Another Ian

    “Scientists understand cattle not climate villains, but media still missing message”

    https://www.beefcentral.com/production/scientists-understand-cattle-are-not-climate-villains-media-still-missing-the-message/

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