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    Orson

    An Italian study surveying regular users of HCQ suggests that it is an effective prophylactic against the CV19 virus.

    A group 1200 rheumatologists in Italy was asked to survey their routine users of HCQ, mostly Lupus and arthritis patients, about 65,000 people in all. Only 20 tested positive for the new virus (probably a large under count from under testing?), but no patients had died, and none were hospitalised or in ICUs.
    https://www.iltempo.it/salute/2020/04/28/news/coronavirus-farmaci-efficaci-news-danni-cura-annalisa-chiusolo-artrite-terapia-idrossiclorochina-sars-cov2-1321227/

    If repeated, this suggests that HCQ is an effective prophylactic drug. And used together with proper vitamin D support, this suggests how people from Covid19 virus free areas may safely travel into active virus infection zones.

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      Sceptical Sam

      Nice find Orson.

      My Italiano is not as good as it should be, but I got this:

      “Although there is still no Italian publication on the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine as a “shield” from the virus, many of the directors of the infectious diseases wards, the specialists, primary carers and general practitioners contacted during this research, admitted – whispered, with a wink – to the use of the drug as a “prophylaxis”, that is, to prevent contagion. Health workers who are in close contact with contagious patients, take the drug in advance, precisely to decrease the probability of contracting the infection.”

      The students of Shakespeare may find my translation of “soto voce” not quite legit, but that’s what it means in this context. Whispered, without exposing the secret.

      It’s now exposed. Ha.

      Originale:

      “Sebbene non vi siano ancora pubblicazioni italiane sull’efficacia dell’idrossiclorochina come “schermatura” dal virus, tra i direttori dei reparti di Malattie infettive, gli specialisti, i Primari e i medici di base contattati durante questa ricerca, in molti hanno ammesso – sottovoce – di usare il farmaco come “profilassi”, ovvero per prevenire il contagio. I sanitari che si trovano a contatto stretto con i malati contagiosi, assumono preventivamente il farmaco, proprio per diminuire la probabilità di contrarre l’infezione.”

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    RicDre

    It sounds like the crash-test dummy is scheduled to hit the wall in 2023:

    Australian energy security on the brink

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/04/30/australian-energy-security-on-the-brink/

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      One good hot windless night is all it will take. Blacko! We should not have to wait long for that. But the grid engineers must know this, so maybe I something will change.

      Sounds like a policy tipping point. Woohoo!

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      AndyG55

      China approve 10GW of coal in 2020 first quarter.

      Australia’s total coal capacity is ????

      This talk of shutting down parts our MAIN source of RELIABLE electricity is not only totally pointless from an atmospheric CO2 standpoint…

      …. it is economically reprehensible.

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      OriginalSteve

      Please read the WEF.ch website.

      Its an amazing resource – it spells out clearly what the globalist “to do” list is.

      I have seen a comment where by they believe electrifaction of everything is the best way to save the planet. Were it not so I doubt Musk would have graduated past a basement office somewhere…

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        tom0mason

        Yes, electrify everything and HOPE that the sun does not cough as Carrington witnessed.

        From https://www.perspectaweather.com/blog/2015/09/08/900-am-even-weak-solar-cycles-can-produce-super-solar-storms-the-carrington-event-of-1859

        The sun has been relatively quiet in recent years and, in fact, the current solar cycle (24) is on pace to be the weakest in over one hundred years. Even weak solar cycles, however, can produce significant solar storms. In fact, last week marked the 156th anniversary of a super solar storm known as the “Carrington Event” and this took place during a weak solar cycle in the year 1859.

        It was 156 years ago when the solar superstorm, now known as the Carrington Event, took place during solar cycle 10. The event has been named for the British astronomer, Richard Carrington, as he observed from his own private observatory the largest solar flare during this event which caused a major coronal mass ejection (CME) to travel directly toward Earth. The 33-year-old astronomer – widely acknowledged at the time to be England’s best – also recorded in detailed fashion the appearance of the sunspot regions that he saw at the time.

        And
        https://www.history.com/news/a-perfect-solar-superstorm-the-1859-carrington-event
        gives an idea of what it was like …

        Compared to today’s information superhighway, the telegraph system in 1859 may have been a mere dirt road, but the “Victorian Internet” was also a critical means of transmitting news, sending private messages and engaging in commerce. Telegraph operators in the United States had observed local interruptions due to thunderstorms and northern lights before, but they never experienced a global disturbance like the one-two punch they received in the waning days of summer in 1859.

        Many telegraph lines across North America were rendered inoperable on the night of August 28 as the first of two successive solar storms struck. E.W. Culgan, a telegraph manager in Pittsburgh, reported that the resulting currents flowing through the wires were so powerful that platinum contacts were in danger of melting and “streams of fire” were pouring forth from the circuits. In Washington, D.C., telegraph operator Frederick W. Royce was severely shocked as his forehead grazed a ground wire.

        and

        On the morning of September 2, the magnetic mayhem resulting from the second storm created even more chaos for telegraph operators. When American Telegraph Company employees arrived at their Boston office at 8 a.m., they discovered it was impossible to transmit or receive dispatches. The atmosphere was so charged, however, that operators made an incredible discovery: They could unplug their batteries and still transmit messages to Portland, Maine, at 30- to 90-second intervals using only the auroral current. Messages still couldn’t be sent as seamlessly as under normal conditions, but it was a useful workaround. By 10 a.m. the magnetic disturbance abated enough that stations reconnected their batteries, but transmissions were still affected for the rest of the morning.

        So lets go ahead and electrify and digitize everything, after all what could possibly go wrong?

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          JanEarth

          tomomason

          We ignore the Sun at our peril….it has the capacity to blast us back into the stone age and yet who here even knows about this ? Thanks for trying to inform people.

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          Power Grab

          The Carrington Event always come to my mind when I ponder how “they” want to electrify everything.

          How about those Starlink satellites? Wouldn’t it be ironic if they were the instrumental in causing another Carrington Event?

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      Graeme No.3

      But RicDre, that is after the next Federal election must be held, so our politicians can’t (or won’t) see that coming.

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        RicDre

        “…our politicians can’t (or won’t) see that coming.”

        There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know.

        (John Heywood 1546 / Jonathan Swift 1738)

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      yarpos

      Rafe does good work over at Catallaxy on the climate front, regularly pointing out the futility and danger of wind power in particular.

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    RicDre

    Australia appears willing to stand up to China; It would be nice if we could get the Democrats here in the US to do the same:

    Australia Ignores China’s Protests and Backs Taiwan Rejoining W.H.O.

    https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2020/05/01/australia-ignores-chinas-protests-and-backs-taiwan-rejoining-w-h-o/

    US gets dragged into fight as Australia-China war of words escalates

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/australia-china-war-of-words-escalates-as-us-gets-dragged-into-fight

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      Ted O'Brien.

      It was always my impression that Taiwan was always a major connection point for mainland China’s access to the rest of the world. That access was surely very beneficial to the mainland regime, as it facilitated the modernisation of the mainland economy.

      Even today that still applies. The mainland opposition to Taiwan lies in the fear that democratic change might be promoted.

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      yarpos

      “Dragged into” is an intersting choice of words. I thought we were allies with a long history.

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      Hanrahan

      I think Trump will pick the time and place of the confrontation but I’m sure there will be one. ATM he is busy elsewhere.

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        toorightmate

        I think Xi is pretty busy too – trying to hush up about 250,000 Coronavirus deaths. No wonder they don’t want any investigations wrt Wuhan, the virus and the source.

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    Lance

    Stay Warm, Oz.

    Victoria, New South Wales, South Australia bracing for record cold in coming days.

    https://www.iceagenow.info/record-cold-to-sweep-across-south-east-australia/

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      Bill In Oz

      We have been feeling it Lance !
      Cold dark windy wet Winter arrived
      On Wednesday night.
      The 29th of April
      And it’s only May 2nd. !
      BOM seem slightly embarressed !

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      Yonniestone

      I was out working in that yesterday (Ballarat) , BOM observations show a high of 7.6C with most of the day in the 6′s rain was 3mm for the day with wind gusts up to 60kph , Windy.com had the temps slightly lower, this was a very cold blast from Antarctic and was one of the coldest days I’ve worked in for a few winters……oh wait its not winter yet.

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          tom0mason

          AndyG55,
          Looking at the CFS and JMA global monthly forecast, May should bring more and maybe even colder and wetter weather to most of the southern half of Australia. This appears especially true of the last 2 weeks of May. And more so for New Zeraland!

          Interestingly Africa is again forecast to be cooler and wetter again (much like the April’s forecast which mostly verified correct on these models — note, I’ve a glass half full view of these models).

          But this may all change as these are only weather models and a snapshot of what they calculate today. Tomorrow it could all be very different.

          Stay warm, stay safe.

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            AndyG55

            UAH has April over Australia quite warm (3rd highest April out of 42 years). A big jump from March (19th warmest March)

            While April was rather nice and average in the eastern states, I suspect a lot of the measured warmth came from the well above average temperatures that Western Australia had during parts of the April.

            If the WEATHER forecasts are correct, I suspect May will be quite a drop in by-month-of-year position.

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          el gordo

          The SST off NSW is also cooing.

          https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/ocean/surface/currents/overlay=sea_surface_temp_anomaly/orthographic=-186.16,-30.82,1060/loc=152.011,-21.908

          The warm blob east of New Zealand has become a permanent fixture, I have no idea why.

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            AndyG55

            ” I have no idea why.”

            A persistent weather pattern of some sort?

            Has anyone investigated if anything is happening on the ocean floor below that region?

            As you say, is rather interesting.

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              el gordo

              I have not found any mapping on that area, the CSIRO has a ship and its slowly working its way around the Pacific. The idea of a persistent weather pattern sounds doubtful, whereas a hydrothermal vent is feasible.

              ‘New discoveries regarding the distribution, number, type and activity of hydrothermal vent systems are forcing us to revisit existing paradigms related to hydrothermal vents and their impact on ocean biogeochemistry.

              ‘ For example, a large plume of hydrothermal dissolved iron was recently observed extending several thousand kilometers westward from the southern East Pacific Rise across the South Pacific Ocean. Based on these observations, estimates of the global hydrothermal dissolved iron input to the ocean interior has been increased to three to four gigamoles per year, which is more than fourfold higher than previous estimates.’

              Nature

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      JanEarth

      Lance

      Its warming up in SA already….ramping up to Max’s in the 20′s next week. Yesterday was freezing but !

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      JanEarth

      Lance

      Why call it renewable…Solar panels and wind generators are no more renewable than Coal power stations… non renewable power is a more apt name I think. If you saw the Michael Moore doco you would know that they use Black coal to make panels… they mix it with crushed quartzite and then melt it in furnaces to make the black bit of the panels… that was a revelation to me ! The stupid wind generators use hundreds of tons of concrete, steel, aluminium and fibre glass and well as kilograms of rare earth metals but only have a useable life of less than 20 years…and they have the cheek to call them “renewable”

      It’s all a joke… I see no way out of this we are doomed if we do or doomed if we don’t. Maybe a great big war is the only viable solution.

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    RicDre

    Elon Musk finally says something that makes sense:

    Elon Musk @elonmusk

    Tesla stock price is too high imo

    11:11 AM – May 1, 2020

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/01/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-says-stock-price-is-too-high-shares-fall.html

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      toorightmate

      It’s taken Elon that long to realize that the Oh Bummer handout conveyor belt no longer exists.

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      Lance

      This is nonsense.

      Geothermal heat flux may well be 0.1 W/m2. That hardly makes it irrelevant.

      What makes your position irrelevant is the attempt to equate conductive heat flux to radiative black body radiation.

      Your assumption that the conductive heat flux cold end temperature can be substituted into the Maxwell Boltzman equation is the flaw.

      Conduction heat transfer is limited by the heat transfer coefficient of the material and the hot and cold end temperatures in a 1 D model. Radiation heat flux is only limited by the absolute temperatures involved and their facing angles because there is NO conduction present, only incident radiation.

      The only way to make the heat flux equal in your version of things is to assume the cold end plate is a black body radiator and to assume that the hot end temperature can be made essentially infinite to satisfy your assumption that the radiating source can provide very much more than conduction heat transfer allows at the temperatures originally assumed.

      Fundamentally, you’ve got things very, very, wrong. Radiation heat transfer is limited by temperatures. Conduction heat transfer is limited by thermal conductivity. They are not the same things.

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        “What makes your position irrelevant is the attempt to equate conductive heat flux to radiative black body radiation.”

        LOL, What? That’s what all my opponents do! Projection.

        “is to assume the cold end plate is a black body radiator and to assume that the hot end temperature can be made essentially infinite …”

        No, you got it backwards. The hot end is what the planet in question has.

        A super hot planet and a super cold planet can have the same conductive heat flux.

        “Your assumption that the conductive heat flux cold end temperature can be substituted into the Maxwell Boltzman equation is the flaw.”

        That’s what is done in the official energy budget. But they want you to think that it’s from downwelling IR. Upwelling IR is dependent on Downwelling IR, and vice versa. It’s a loop without origin. How retarded.

        The Upwelling IR is a function of solar and geothermal.

        Geothermal heat flux and thermal conductivity (k) define the slope. The slope doesn’t tell you what comes out at the top. There’s infinite profiles with same CF.

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          Kalm Keith

          It’s been very obvious Zoe that you don’t know what you are talking about.

          This has been evident in a number of your posts.

          One very small point. The Steffan and Boltzmann equation is a pro forma guide only and must be tuned to the unique physical circumstances of each situation.

          Yet once again you simply plug in values and process the equation in your computer programming.

          And then you claim you’re doing the right thing because it follows the methodology, or something, as “the official energy budget”.
          And how much credibility does that OEB have?

          Before any computer is kicked in there must be a clear outline of the physical situation being examined.

          I can’t find that.

          You are obviously a very talented person with immense curiosity, and that takes you a long way, but please, decide what you are trying to prove and write it down.

          KK
          ?

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            Keith,
            The surface is ~15C. Is that physically real or not?

            Geothermal alone would make a globewide average of ~0C.

            Now we add a solar 24hr surface average of ~163 W/m^2 (repeatedly measured by satellites), and subtract ~107 W/m^2 for sensible+latent heat (energy that doesn’t raise temperature), and we get our 15C.

            The Earth is hot inside, and it can conduct to the surface. The conductive heat flux plus thermal conductivity (k) define the SLOPE of the thermal gradient. You can’t plug in one of the components of a SLOPE into the SB equation and claim that’s what geothermal delivers. No! The a SLOPE factor can’t tell you what’s at the top or bottom. What is relevant is the kinetic energy delivered by geothermal, and not the difference of kinetic energies between two depths multilied by k.

            By analogy what is claimed is that Mt. Everest can’t be tall because there are steeper gradient mountains. Smart people would understand that the slope factor has nothing to do with height.

            EF = Height of Mt. Everest
            CF = Slope of Mt. Everest

            What is relevant in energy budget, by analogy, is the Height not the Slope.

            I can’t explain it any simpler.
            What is it so hard to understand?

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              Kalm Keith

              Zoe.

              Averages in this situation are very IPCCCCC.

              Average temperature usage is not good.

              Please run an analysis of a 24 hour period.

              Two graphs:
              Energy/heat movement to and from Earth’s surface over 24 hrs.
              Temperature plot over 24hrs.
              Use perhaps 30°South as a start point.
              Then create similar graphs for every day of the year and incorporate variations involved with orbital mechanics,

              That’s a start.

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                I’ve already done that with fluxes here:

                http://phzoe.com/2020/03/13/geothermal-animated/

                I use emissivity=1, which is wrong, but expedient and not that tragic.

                It’s hard to get gausian-surface (same as flux) emissivity data to overlay my map and make it correct. It’s simply not avaiable, and what is available would take too much effort to process.
                0-7% error is expected, with a mean of 2%.

                I also have this:
                http://phzoe.com/2020/02/25/deducing-geothermal/

                Averages are OK.

                I’m not attempting to make regional or local predictions to demonstrate my main theory, so what’s the point?

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                Kalm Keith

                The point I was making is that you have start somewhere. Pick a small location with recorded daily temperatures available.

                Pick one day: do a 24 hour plot of temp if values available. If not use max and min to fit a curve, I know rough.

                Do this for 365 days.

                Overlay the 365 graphs,

                Plot the difference between max and min for 365 days.
                Any pattern in heat flux between summer and winter?
                Look.

                Then, unfortunately you have to account for all the summer energy taken from the system by growing plants.
                Keep looking.

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                Keith,

                If you’re talking about what’s above ground …

                I can’t pick a small location, BECAUSE there will be HORIZONTAL transfers.

                I already tried doing this. Close within 2 degrees, but not good enough.

                I would NEED to know what’s next to that small area. Then I would need to know what’s next to that area, etc.

                The wind makes it impossible to know.

                I would also need emissivity data and geological data.

                I don’t own super computers.

                “Any pattern in heat flux between summer and winter?”

                Are you talking about below the surface?

                You know that data doesn’t exist. Davies and Davies data is just an amalgamation over different time periods. They average Boreholes in the Rockies in 1974 with Wells in Saudi Arabia in 1991.

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                Kalm Keith

                QED

                BBB.

                KK

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                Kalm Keith

                To illustrate some of the naivete here, consider this one from Zoe,

                “Are you talking about below the surface?”

                Now here she’s asking me about energy transfer from Earth’s core to the surface/atmosphere interface.

                Note that it’s only Fluxed if that energy reaches the air!!!

                Is she trying to mislead you????

                Zoe is an excellent computer programmer.

                KK

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              Kalm Keith

              You win.

              You got six green ticks.

              It’s all decided.

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            Lucky

            Perhaps the point KK is failing to get across is the nature of non-linearity.
            We are after global effects, maybe.
            But do not start from some ‘average’ number.
            Instead, start from a set of numbers before they get averaged. Perform the operation on each of those numbers, then take an average of those results. That figure will be different from what you get from operating on the single average number.
            Even that average based on a detailed set of data may not have meaning.

            This is a common error very prevalent in climate modeling.

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          Lance

          Conduction heat transfer is defined by the conductivity of the material, a solid medium, across the hot and cold temperatures.

          It is a linear function of materials and temperature.

          Radiation heat transfer is defined by the emissivity of the material and the temperature of the radiator and receptor by a quartic function.

          The Stefan–Boltzmann law describes the power radiated from a black body in terms of its temperature and emissivity, not by means of one dimensional, material dependent, conductivity.

          You would have everyone think that linear and quartic functions are interchangeable as well as their derivations?

          You have knowledge of economics. You have no relevant knowledge of heat transfer.

          Dunning Kruger Effect. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

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            Lance,
            You have no idea what you’re talking about.

            It’s my opponents that claim that
            CHS = CHF.

            I don’t. I claim

            CSR = εσ(T-CHF*L/k)⁴

            I show two videos that verify me, here:

            https://phzoe.com/2020/02/20/two-theories-one-ideological-other-verified/

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              Kalm Keith

              Zoe, I like your inquisitiveness but as I’ve tried to explain, in a roundabout way, you can’t just jump on top of a mass of sciency data and whip it into something useful.

              If you don’t build from the ground up the you don’t have science.

              Unfortunately you’ve daterised everything.

              Functional.

              KK

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                Keith,

                “If you don’t build from the ground up the you don’t have science.”

                That’s so ironic.

                I’m the only one trying to build things up from the ground. Then I add the sun, then I go to the atmosphere.

                The rest start with thr sun then add GHGs, and then claim the ground is hot only due to those.

                http://phzoe.com/2019/12/24/hot-plate-heat-lamp-and-gases-in-between/

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                Kalm Keith

                One of the most amazing relationships I have been introduced to is expressed as:

                ax2 + bx + c =0 then there is y = mx + c.

                And then you get to motion.

                Wow.

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                Peter C

                ax2 + bx + c =0 then there is y = mx + c.

                A slight distraction I would have said, KK.

                Linear equations may be relevant to Zoe’s argument but I fail to see what the solution to a quadratic equation has to do with it.

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                Kalm Keith

                Hi Peter,

                An excellent point.

                Equations in the hands of an Ernest energetic person may be very impressive.

                Unfortunately when dealing with complex Multifactorial situations there is a higher imperative: identifying the relevant factors that go to make up the process under analysis.

                Zoe has not detailed and quantified the relevant factors in the situation she claims to examine. I notice that her posts have received anything from 5 to 10 green ticks of support.

                I wonder if those people realise that Zoe is an expert computer programmer?

                True, my comment has no meaning, except to draw attention to the ongoing posts in the set.

                KK

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        Peter C

        In defence of Zoe, I think she is making two sequential arguments:
        1. Conductive heat transfer through the Earth’s crust may be low but it is not inconsequential because the other parameter is the temperature at 1000m depth.

        In Zoe’s animation the emergent surface temperature is dependent on the temperature at 1000m depth. Given a thermal conductivity of 96mW/m internal heat transfer can warm the surface to 15C if the temperature at 1000m is about 62C It is apparently much warmer than that, so thermal conductivity could be even lower, yet the surface effect would be similar.

        2. Second argument is that emergent surface temperature due to thermal conductivity can easily explain the apparent implied missing heat (33C) that the Greenhouse Effect Theory is based on. This is where the S-B calculation comes in. Greenhouse Theory neglects thermal conductivity and internal heat of the Earth entirely.

        My apologies to Zoe if I have mis-quoted her. It has taken me a while to read some of her articles but I think she is making an important point which has been neglected until now.

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          “In Zoe’s animation the emergent surface temperature is dependent on the temperature at 1000m depth.”

          If only that data existed globewide!

          For the animation, I just apply the formula:

          Geo = Upwelling – Net Solar + Latent Heat + Sensible Heat.

          Knowing full well that the gap is created by emergent geothermal, not downwelling radiation from sparae magic gases.

          Otherwise excellent description!

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          Kalm Keith

          Hi Peter,

          Your point 1.
          The presence of “heat” from Earth’s core near the surface. Any miner who works deep underground will confirm that it gets hotter the deeper you go.
          Depending on rock type there will be different lapse rates as you go deeper. No argument with Zoe there.

          As to point 2.
          Any analysis should be capable of logical deconstruction to confirm reality. All of this analysis is based on some disconnected assumptions such as the missing 33 degrees and a simplistic thermal accounting.

          I think Lance has expressed similar concerns.

          I have made some comments asking effectively, if Zoe could provide two things;

          1. An outline of what is to be examined.
          2. The logical sequence of steps which allow the analysis to be undertaken.

          She refuses, and points to other links ?

          Zoe is obviously a serious computer programmer.

          KK

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            Keith,
            My blog explains everything. What more can I explain? Only specific questions.

            You’re asking me to do very local analysis, correct?

            I told that there’s problems with this due to HORIZONTAL transfers.

            Let’s apply your standard to believers of GH effect.

            There are many places on Earth that have COOLED over the last 50 years.

            I happened to live in one of those places (Atlanta).

            Would you say that’s a good refutation of the greenhouse effect? No? So why are you asking me to do local analysis?

            Thank you, Keith, but I’m not a “serious computer programmer”. All I can do is transform data, originally financial data. I have never made an interactive application, nor would I know the first thing about it.

            I know what I have and what I need. I take input and create output. I am good at math. I read manuals. I follow instructions. Simple.

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              Zoe

              Places on earth have cooled? I wrote an article on that very subject some ten years ago

              https://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/09/04/in-search-of-cooling-trends/

              To this day according to Berkeley some one third of the earth is cooling. Muller wrote an article on that just last year

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                Very nice, Tony!

                “The wave pattern is still present in many data sets worldwide, no matter what the overall trend.”

                I got it in the overall trend after making adjustments

                http://phzoe.com/2019/12/30/what-global-warming/

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                Zoe

                Good stuff! That is a huge piece of work you linked to.

                My interest in the subject was raised ten years agonwhen I carried out a reconstruction of central England temperature from 1538 to the current official start date of 1659

                It was apparent there had been very many warming and cooIng periods and I noticed that CET was currently showing a 12 year or so decline.

                I have looked at the current state of play every couple of years and it is still currently declining

                https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/02/15/the-rise-and-fall-of-central-england-temperatures-part-3-2000-2019/

                CET is considered by many to be a pretty good proxy for northern hemisphere temperatures

                I see you have the complete Berkeley temperature data set. Have you graphed the overall global stations that show a decline or by continent or perhaps more interestingly by koppen climate zones?

                I like your posts that you crop up with here and at places like climate etc. keep them up!

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                Kalm Keith

                Hi Tony,

                I like your posts too.

                Your current post seems to be discussing other work done by Zoe which can be interesting; taking data and presenting it visually.

                The content of these current posts concerns Zoe’s simplistic reworking of a thermal balance created by the UNIPCCC.

                Using a flawed initial relationship there’s a substitution of one of the old factors with the new, very real, surface energy that originates from Earth’s core.

                Then to compound things there is the mistreatment of the poor old S-B equation, but it’s there for one purpose only: to give a sciency feel to the exercise.

                Zoe continues on without ever having attempted a thorough assessment of mass, heat and momentum transfer for the system under scrutiny and so continues to propagate the errors of the initial IPCCCCC claims about back radiation.

                There are some truths in Zoe”s ideas.

                Yes there is core energy present at the surface.

                This is something I learned in first year high school science sixty plus years ago.

                Also, this energy will be detectable in the top of atmosphere energy escaping to deep space as measured by satellites.

                Last but not least.

                The Earth’s Core Will eventually freeze as a result of this heat loss.

                The ensuing contraction of the inner core and collapse of Earth’s surface into the depths is too horrific to contemplate.

                Finally, we like you Zoe but please, let’s keep it real.

                KK

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                Keith,

                “The Earth’s Core Will eventually freeze as a result of this heat loss.”

                Not for a really really long time.

                The sun too has a very small conductive heat flux. It means nothing.

                I frankly think you learned nothing.

                You probably still believe that emergent flux must equal conductive hest flux.

                Wait till my next article. I will show everyone how stupid this idea is using simple dimensional analysis.

                Clue: The L variable is orthogonal to A.

                The meters^2 in conductive heat flux is not the same meters^2 as A.

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                Kalm Keith

                Re Zoe at 1 minute to midnight.

                “The sun too has a very small conductive heat flux. It means nothing.”

                Hint;
                The earth has a primarily Solid crust through which trapped energy moves slowly to the surface. On its way to deep space. Conduction.

                Molten magma and gas plasma has another transfer mechanism.

                ps. Did you finish that exercise I gave you earlier?

                Calculating how much incident solar energy is taken up by land based plant matter, particularly lettuce.

                You seem to have forgotten to include it in your original balance.

                Maybe you could then convert that into a temperature equivalent to explain at least part of the missing/extra 33C°.

                Regards, as always.

                KK

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                “Molten magma and gas plasma has another transfer mechanism.”

                Doesn’t matter. You need to apply the same standard. You have to dilute by a vertical length component!

                “Maybe you could then convert that into a temperature equivalent to explain at least part of the missing/extra 33C°”

                There is no missing 33C. I already explained it.

                “Calculating how much incident solar energy is taken up by land based plant matter, particularly lettuce.”

                The top of the plant is what is considered by satellites to be the “surface”, not the ground.

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      Peter C

      Thanks Zoe,

      More reading for me.

      Can you help with one thing? In your article titled Two Different Fluxes you calculate the surface temperature at the cold end of a concrete beam 8m in length given that the temperature at the hot end is 75C.

      I don’t yet see how you get the rate of heat transfer (q) as 2W? 2Watts.

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        Q = joules
        q = Q/dt = watts
        q* = Q / (A * dt) = watts/m^2

        q = 2W
        q* = 2 / 0.8 = 2.5 W/m^2

        It’s a type of convention

        Textbooks use q for watts, and
        either a bold q for flux or a q with a dot over it.

        Since bold q or dot q is annoying, many people on the internet just switched to regular q for flux in the last 20 years.

        I was adhering to a textbook.

        Sorry for the confusion.

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    Lance

    Brazil is number 1 again! Will we win this race?
    Bolsonaro is teaching YOU what you shouldn’t do during a global pandemic!

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11528342/coronavirus-ravaged-brazil-worlds-highest-infection-rate-rips-slums-mass-graves/

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      Orson

      It is worth recalling that Larkin culture is the opposite of northern and especially Scandinavian culture: inherently high-touch. And Brazil, I was surprised to learn, ranks fourth in providing foreign workers to China.

      For both reasons, I rejected South America and Brazil as potential refuges as the virus pandemic gathered steam.

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    OriginalLance

    Brazil is number 1 again! Will we win this race?
    Bolsonaro is teaching YOU what you shouldn’t do during a global pandemic!

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11528342/coronavirus-ravaged-brazil-worlds-highest-infection-rate-rips-slums-mass-graves/

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    Travis T. Jones

    I no longer care about covid19, for I have been awakened to the danger of farting oysters …

    Oyster flatulence worries climate scientists

    https://www.euractiv.com/section/climate-environment/news/oyster-flatulence-worries-climate-scientists/

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    Travis T. Jones

    Remember the good ol’ days, when “beer fridges” were allegedly a big problem because they caused bad weather, or something?

    2007: ‘Beer fridges’ present a gassy problem
    https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn12975-beer-fridges-present-a-gassy-problem/

    April 2020: Largest-ever Arctic ozone ‘hole’ opens and closes all by itself.

    “The gap in the vital layer, which protects the Earth against harmful radiation from the sun, set a new record for ozone depletion in the northern hemisphere when it formed earlier this month.
    And while many would assume its recovery could be chalked up to a reduction in pollution as a result of the coronavirus pandemic – which has caused countries around the world to go into lockdown – the scientists noted the “rather unusual” hole was caused by a particularly strong Arctic polar vortex and not by human activity.”

    https://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/ozone-layer-largest-ever-tear-over-the-arctic-has-closed/news-story/f3dd10f8121cc7dca1b50d73a3d84fa7#.3ciid

    Ozone depletion hysteria was just another scam by power-grabbing greens and rent-seeking refrigerant profiteers.

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    William Astley

    We could have a Covid-19 ‘Star Trek’ like solution by September.

    Trump has given $500 million, to a new breakthrough disruptive technology, that uses the human cells to create a synthetic copy of the covie-19 virus’ spike protein.

    This is very different than an old medical technology ‘vaccine’. This is a breakthrough because commercially it changes everything, it could not get funding because it is going to eliminate companies and cut costs and

    … that work much more effectively and safely than current patented chemicals.

    Covid-19 created the conditions …. Trump is looking for a solution, he can size up people, he has the money, and there is an immense market for the new product…

    … So there will be money to make this solution available world-wide.

    Big Pharma could not stop history.

    This is an engineered microbiological entity that is smart and only does what we want. This is the start of ‘engineered’ biology.

    This is no longer trial and error. This is going to make all of the old technology vaccines obsolete and this is just the start of this new technology.

    What was stopping the use of microbiological entities to ‘fix’/change the body rather than dumb chemicals or dead viruses was….

    The body’s immune system.

    What changed to enable engineered ‘virus’ like entities to do our bidding…

    ….was the development of software that can emulate any virus or virus like entity in a computer and emulate the bioactive response of the human body.

    This complex software representation of the ‘virus’ like entity can ‘learn’ in computer simulation how to defeat the human immune system…

    This ‘evolved’ software version of the virus like entity is then turned into a physical virus.

    The physical version of the virus like entity will be able to defeat the human immune system and then do good things.

    Note this virus like entity cannot reproduce so there is no risk it could evolve and hurt the host. It only does one thing.

    It uses some of the human’s cells to create a copy of spike like protein that the covid-19 virus has. This spike like protein then teaches the human’s immune system how to defeat the covid-19 virus.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/01/us/coronavirus-moderna-vaccine-invs/index.html

    Moderna, Inc. — originally called Moderna Therapeutics — was founded on a big idea that would disrupt the pharmaceutical industry.

    In theory, an mRNA vaccine enables scientists to plug a small piece of the coronavirus’s genetic code into a human cell to create a synthetic copy of the virus’s spike protein.

    That’s the part of SARS-CoV-2 that resembles a plastic bristle on a hairbrush, and which attaches to human cells.

    Because it is just a small portion of the virus, the synthetically created spike protein can’t infect a person. And partly because there is no need to manipulate a virus in the lab, the process is faster.

    William: Completed in 42 days rather than 1 to 2 years.

    The coronavirus spike-protein lookalike would then be produced by the body’s own cells. If all goes well, the body then counterattacks the “invader” — the synthetic antigen created by a person’s own cell — with antibodies.

    The technology “teaches the human body to recognize the virus by teaching the body to make snippets of the virus on its own,” said Zaks, Moderna’s chief medical officer.
    On January 11, Chinese researchers released the genetic sequence of SARS-CoV-2, a 30,000-character string of the letters a, u, g and c.

    Largely because of the ongoing cooperation between Moderna and NIH, the process of designing the mRNA for delivery was lightning fast. Indeed, it took just 42 days, as Bancel told Trump.

    Its vision is to harness a new technology that synthesizes messenger RNA, or mRNA — essentially an instruction manual in every living cell for creating protein — to prompt the human body to make its own medicine. The hope has been to find “transformative” treatments for heart disease, metabolic and genetic diseases, kidney failure, even cancer.

    On March 3 — the day after the roundtable — the FDA green-lit Moderna’s product for trial, making it the first vaccine candidate to advance to the first phase of a clinical study, in which an as-yet unapproved vaccine is injected into the arms of a small group of 45 human volunteers.

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      dinn, rob

      putting US taxpayers on the hook again
      9-13-2016 But interviews with more than 20 current and former employees and associates suggest Bancel has hampered progress at Moderna because of his ego, his need to assert control and his impatience with the setbacks that are an inevitable part of science.  Moderna is worth more than any other private biotech in the US, and former employees said they felt that Bancel prized the company’s ever-increasing valuation, now approaching $5 billion, over its science. https://www.statnews.com/2016/09/13/moderna-therapeutics-biotech-mrna/
      …………..
      5-1-20 ”I founded the company because I wanted to make an impact on human health,” he said. “The CEO’s job is to make money for investors.” https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/01/us/coronavirus-moderna-vaccine-invs/index.html
      ………………………
      a $456 million order with Johnson & Johnson’s Pharmaceuticals arm Janssen, which specified a “new vaccine asset for 2019 Novel Coronavirus (COVID-19),” Forbes found. It’s the largest reported amount spent on a vaccine project to date, even though the pharma giant hasn’t yet started any clinical trials as other firms have.
      The deal was signed with the Health and Human Services Office of the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response (ASPR) on March 27, 2020. It followed another order, made as part of the same contract with Janssen, for $150 million on March 20, 2020, for a “new antiviral” for COVID-19.It forms part of a deal between the U.S. government and Johnson & Johnson to co-invest $1 billion into vaccine research, development and clinical testing. https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2020/03/30/the-us-just-signed-a-450-million-coronavirus-vaccine-contract-with-johnson–johnson/#7c08a7c32946

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    dinn, rob

    someone interested in the whole riddle of synthetic biology? excerpts from 2018 book on biodefenses amid synthetic viruses and the like
    https://balance10.blogspot.com/2020/05/excerpts-from-2018-book-on-biodefenses.html

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    Peter Fitzroy

    Sample bias vs expected result, the standard normal curve, probability testing – all tools used by everyday statistics, but absent from discussions about coved, or climate change for that matter.

    An example is the cold snap currently impacting the southern Australian states

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      I did not know statistics used tools.

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      RicDre

      “Sample bias vs expected result, the standard normal curve, probability testing – all tools used by everyday statistics, but absent from discussions about coved, or climate change for that matter.”

      Question: Does the climate system, which the IPCC describes as a coupled non-linear chaotic system, follow a standard normal curve? I have never seen any proof that it does, have you?

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        Kalm Keith

        RIC, you should know better.

        There is a standard normal curve associated with and accurately describing global warming.

        Every twenty four hours there’s a regular heating a cooling cycle with a standard normal temperature vs time graphical representation.

        Whether the UNIPCCC likes that or not is irrelevant.

        Almost as predictable as the rising and setting of the Sun.

        KK

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          toorightmate

          KK,
          Just how many suns are there?
          At my place there is a new one comes up every morning.
          There are a lot more suns than moons.
          Some nights, moons never come up.

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          RicDre

          “There is a standard normal curve associated with and accurately describing global warming. Every twenty four hours there’s a regular heating a cooling cycle with a standard normal temperature vs time graphical representation.”

          True, but that is an input to a coupled, non-linear chaotic system, and that does not mean that the output from the system will also be a standard normal curve, and as I said, I have never seen any proof that it is, but if you know of one I’d be happy to read about it.

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            Bill In Oz

            “There is a standard normal curve associated with and accurately describing global warming. Every twenty four hours there’s a regular heating a cooling cycle with a standard normal temperature vs time graphical representation.”

            This is true for a given point on the planet,
            But is it true for the Global as a whole.

            The Sun is always there !
            The planet is always there progressing in it’s orbit around the sun.
            There is some variation over a year, in solar insolation due to elliptical nature of the Earth’s orbit

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            Kalm Keith

            Sorry Ric, it was meant as a joke. No criticism.

            :-)

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              RicDre

              KK:

              I thought there might be a /sarc tag missing from your answer and didn’t take it as criticism, but I did think the person who started the #16 thread might think you were serious, thus my answer.

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      AndyG55

      Yes Peter, we have noted you are unable to bring any empirical data about warming from atmospheric CO2 to the “climate change” discussion.

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      AndyG55

      And yes, the current warming out of the coldest period in 10,000 years is “normal”,

      and highly beneficial (as is increased atmospheric CO2),

      … and will hopefully these increases will not reverse.

      Did you see above, where China has approved 10GW of coal fired power, just in the first quarter of 2020. :-)

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      el gordo

      Apparently the month of April was very sunny in the UK, but not warmer, if only they knew about the benefits of Vitamin D they might have taken advantage.

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        RicDre

        It’s been a cool wet spring here in Northern Ohio, US. My weeping cherry tree finally came into full bloom this week and it is loaded with pretty pink blossoms. We had a cold rain last night that added enough weight to one of its main branches to cause it to break and I found it laying on the ground this morning. Well I assume it was the rain unless all of those pink blossoms weigh more than I think they do.

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          dinn, rob

          hey el fats, looks like you won’t be running n. k. after all; tough break considering all your qualifications
          At Friday’s event, “all the participants broke into thunderous cheers of ‘hurrah!’” when Kim appeared, the Korean Central news agency reported. https://asiatimes.com/2020/05/kim-jong-un-makes-first-appearance-in-weeks/

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            el gordo

            Ahh …. as I was saying, the world is entering a period similar to the 1950s and 1960s.

            ‘As hard as it may be to believe right now, with states gripped in a cold snap, the Bureau of Meteorology’s monthly review has found that April was the fifth warmest on record.

            ‘The month of contradictions ended with many parts of the south-east experiencing the most significant cold this early in autumn since the 1950s or 1960s.’

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      Here is a doozie: https://www.cfact.org/2017/05/18/fake-temperatures/. The global surface temperatures are pure statistical junk. Too many tools.

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      Yonniestone

      Yes Peter, much like the Doran and Zimmerman survey that was the basis for the 97% of all scientists claim.

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    Travis T. Jones

    We don’t need another hero … or do we?

    If someone must volunteer to save the industry, then, dressed only with my stretchiest pants and armed with a salt shaker I volunteer to save the french fries industry …

    Officials: To Save Country’s Potato Industry, Belgians Must Eat More Fries

    “So while a coronavirus lockdown keeps restaurants, bars and many of Belgium’s 5,000 frites stands closed, the trade association for the national potato industry is calling on the population at large to do its part by keeping deep fryers fired up on the home front.”

    https://time.com/5829078/belgium-coronavirus-potatoes-frites/

    Stand aside, I got some saving to do, and it aint gonna be pretty.

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    AndyG55

    Does everyone know it was National Banana Day yesterday ?

    https://abgc.org.au/2019/04/17/national-banana-day/

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    MP

    Here is a map on the Wuflu Response from the World economic forum. It contains a massive amount of info. Reads like a plan.
    You have to sign up (name, email) to get access. Click on the centre COVID-19 folder, it covers every aspect of life.

    If you thought AGW was off the table, its in every aspect of this.

    https://intelligence.weforum.org/topics/a1G0X000006O6EHUA0?tab=publications

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      joseph

      I came across this a few days ago . . . . a most interesting video on this subject . . . .

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI6QVDeOa1k

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        Bill In Oz

        I’m lazy Joe
        And getting bored with all the recycled crap.
        So I have not bothered.
        Maybe if you tell us a bit about what it says ?

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          MP

          To much stuff and I have only been looking at it for a day.
          Its a mind map of sorts, everything links. Has audio and video’s, but the more I look the more I have to look at.
          I find it hard to believe they knocked this out in a couple of months, though the video intro says they have been planning it for 50 years and it reads more like an agenda (21/30) than a Wuflu response.

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          MP

          The video linked on Joseph’s response is of this doc, I have only started watching it. But the bit I have seen and read matches to the world government promo.
          Covers the internet of things and 5G and a thousand other things.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OI6QVDeOa1k (HT Joseph)

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          joseph

          Bill,
          I didn’t know what I was in for when I started watching this but I don’t think ‘recycled crap’ would be the best description of what was presented. She gives some background during the first six or so minutes and then takes you on a little journey into the website MP has linked. She begins with what is laid out as the ‘government’ response to COVID-19. I can’t help but think you would find it quite fascinating, but, I’m not saying I’m not open to the possibility of you considering it to be dingbatic. And I know this doesn’t describe much, but, if you take a couple of minutes to check it out you’ll likely understand why I’m not going to go to such a lot of effort to try to describe it! Cheers, enjoying the rain . . . .

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        MP

        Thanks for that I think. I couldn’t keep up with her using the WEF map, if her interpretation checks out it makes you think.

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    OriginalSteve

    There was a suggestion of “immunity cards”, apart from it trampling basic human rights, even the WHO says antibodies dont equate to natual immunity….as such, such cards are meaningless….

    Citizen…your papers please….

    https://www.who.int/news-room/commentaries/detail/immunity-passports-in-the-context-of-covid-19

    “Most of these studies show that people who have recovered from infection have antibodies to the virus.

    “However, some of these people have very low levels of neutralizing antibodies in their blood,4 suggesting that cellular immunity may also be critical for recovery. As of 24 April 2020, no study has evaluated whether the presence of antibodies to SARS-CoV-2 confers immunity to subsequent infection by this virus in humans.

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    OriginalSteve

    https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-02/coronavirus-australia-live-news-covid19-latest-remdesivir/12207640

    “Coronavirus Australia live news: US FDA authorises use of experimental drug remdesivir, Queensland restrictions eased

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    Travis T. Jones

    Whatever happened to that BOM prediction during the bush fires that we wouldn’t see substantial rains until late April?
    Wettest start to a year in 70 years!

    December 11, 2019: There will be no relief for drought-ravaged regions over the summer, with Bureau of Meteorology officials telling a meeting of state and federal ministers there would be no significant rain until at least April.
    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2019/12/no-end-for-drought-as-sydney-disappears-into-smoke/

    April 2020: Melbourne marks wettest April since 1960 as snow blankets ski resorts

    Melbourne has had its wettest April since 1960 and its wettest start to the year since 1924, as unseasonably low temperatures brought snow to the state’s ski resorts.

    https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/melbourne-heads-for-wettest-year-on-record-as-snow-blankets-ski-resorts-20200430-p54om4.html

    >> How can we believe any predictions from BOM?

    “BOM declares April fifth warmest on record, as south-east shivers through cold snap”

    “As hard as it may be to believe right now, with states gripped in a cold snap, the Bureau of Meteorology’s monthly review has found that April was the fifth warmest on record.

    BOM senior climatologist Blair Trewin said Canberra remained under 10C on Thursday for the first time in April since 1952.”

    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-01/bom-says-april-fifth-warmest-on-record-south-east-cold-snap/12206638

    BoM fake news.

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    Ross

    An interesting article on coronavirus research, the Wuhan Lab, Dr Fauci involvement etc.

    https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-millions-us-dollars-risky-coronavirus-research-1500741

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    Travis T. Jones

    WHO Says China Actions Blunted Virus Spread, Leading to Drop

    World Health Organization official praises China’s measures

    China’s unprecedented lockdown and restrictions blunted the coronavirus’s spread and averted hundreds of thousands of infection cases, according to a team of medical experts that visited the outbreak’s epicenter last week.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-02-24/who-says-china-lockdown-blunted-new-epidemic-leading-to-decline

    Wait. What?

    WHO hails Sweden as a ‘model’ for fighting coronavirus without a lockdown

    https://www.theblaze.com/news/who-hails-sweden-as-a-model-for-fighting-coronavirus-without-a-lockdown

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    David Maddison

    For some time this doctor, (see link) has been treating patients of C-19 with success, only 2 deaths out of 400 symptomatic patients treated.

    The key drug is hydroxychloroquine however, not by itself. It must be taken with zinc supplementation plus azithromycin as an antibiotic to prevent secondary infection. The hydroxychloroquine is said to open up a cellular gateway to allow zinc into the cells where it acts to destroy the virus.

    I have read only 2 out of 154 clinical trials with hydroxychloroquine registered by the FDA use zinc supplementation which is the claimed key to success.

    My GP in Melbourne has spoken to this doctor about the treatment (just sayin’).

    This treatment with zinc and azithromycin is now subject to clinical trial in the US.

    Unfortunately the experts of the Trump Administration did not mention the zinc or antibiotic supplementation when they promoted hydroxychloroquine for further investigation.

    https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2020/04/30/coronavirus-exclusive-meet-the-doctor-behind-the-hydroxychloroquine-treatment-for-covid-19/

    His letter to President Trump was as follows. Unfortunately when I copied and pasted it the number references of certain paragraphs did not come across but that doesn’t alter the readability.

    Dear Mr. President:

    I humbly suggest the following:

    It is essential to start treatment against Covid-19 immediately upon clinical suspicion of infection and not to wait for confirmatory testing. There is a very narrow window of opportunity to eliminate the virus before pulmonary complications begin. The waiting to treat is the essence of the problem.

    Emphasis must be to prevent complications in the outpatient setting and not to wait until the patient needs to be admitted in the hospital and put on a respirator. This will eliminate the respirator shortness and lower mortality significantly.

    The risk of side effects is exaggerated and is fear mongering. The theoretical risk of QT prolongation is 1 in 1000. The actual risk of death in the high risk population is between 5 to 10%. The risk vs benefit analysis overwhelmingly favors treatment.

    This is World War lll (virus vs humanity). We don’t have time to wait for the results of a long study. Millions will die while we wait. We need to initiate immediate treatment of high risk patients in the outpatient setting.

    Any obstruction to life saving medication (HCQ) should be viewed has crimes against humanity.

    Prophylaxis should be considered in the very high risk patients (i.e. nursing homes).

    We need an immediate supply of 1.5 billion pills of HCQ 200mg, 500 million pills of Azithromycin 500mg, 500 million pills of zinc sulfate 220mg (or its equivalent – we need 50mg elemental zinc).

    I suggest the following immediate treatment regimen of high risk patients with symptoms:

    Hydroxychloroquine 200mg twice a day for 5 days
    Azithromycin 500mg once a day for 5 days
    Zinc sulfate 220mg once a day for 5 days

    I suggest the following prophylactic regimen for very high risk patients:
    Hydroxychloroquine 200mg once a day for 5 days, and then 1 pill a week until immunity can be shown or a vaccine becomes available.

    Zinc Sulfate 220mg once a day for 5 days, and then 1 pill a week until immunity can be shown or a vaccine becomes available.

    We need an executive order to override any state obstacles and allow all physicians to prescribe the medication without the fear of liability or retribution. Pharmacies must be permitted to dispense this medication without the fear of liability or retribution.

    The Task force must announce that physicians must treat patents early and aggressively, even without confirmatory testing. If test comeback negative, the patient could be advised to stop the medication.

    With much respect,

    Dr. Vladimir (Zev) Zelenko

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      Slithers

      I would add that about SEVEN BILLION humans should immediately commence a short course of Hydroxychloroquine and zinc, and a more permanent course of D3 & K2. With this simple cost effective treatment there would be a significant drop in viral infections.

      BUT of course there is no MONEY in that and there are too many humans living on this planet so a pandemic to cull and or shorten the life span of those unfortunates who get infected is a golden opportunity to reduce the numbers with absolute deniability!

      I really must remember to take my anti-cynic pills every day!

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        JanEarth

        Slthers there’s 8 billion naked apes swarming on this little planet…7.782 billion to be as precise as possible. We will pass 8 billion in 3 years time. We passed the 7 billion mark in 2011.

        Somehow the UN thinks that magic will happen and it will top out at around 10 billion but chances are in 50 years time it will be 16 billion. Glad I will be dead by then.

        I reckon that given technological advances we could easily sustain 24 billion on this little rock… but the QOL would be pretty crappy by todays standards.

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      Curious George

      A common sense approach should be:
      1. Do we have an effective treatment? Yes – use it. No, go to Point 2.
      2. Do we have a drug that might help rather than harm? Try it.
      3. If you refuse to try it, you actually harm your patients.

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    David Maddison

    Oh, how predictable…

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/apr/27/meteorologists-say-2020-on-course-to-be-hottest-year-since-records-began

    Meteorologists say 2020 on course to be hottest year since records began
    Global lockdowns have lowered emissions but longer-term changes needed, say scientists

    Jonathan Watts

    Mon 27 Apr 2020 13.07 EDT

    This year is on course to be the world’s hottest since measurements began, according to meteorologists, who estimate there is a 50% to 75% chance that 2020 will break the record set four years ago.

    Although the coronavirus lockdown has temporarily cleared the skies, it has done nothing to cool the climate, which needs deeper, longer-term measures, the scientists say.

    Heat records have been broken from the Antarctic to Greenland since January, which has surprised many scientists because this is not an El Niño year, the phenomenon usually associated with high temperatures.

    The US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration calculates there is a 75% chance that 2020 will be the hottest year since measurements began.

    《《《See linked article for the rest.》》》

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      RicDre

      “Global lockdowns have lowered emissions but longer-term changes needed, say scientists”

      “Emissions” is a pretty broad category, but assuming these “scientists” mean CO2, the graphs I’ve seen do not show any lowering of those “emissions” due to the lockdowns.

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      TdeF

      It always amazes me how alleged scientists are certain but El Nino is their get out clause. If they are right, they predicted it and if they are wrong it is because of something they cannot predict, the Pacific oscillations, the Indian Dipole, Arctic vortices etc..

      What sort of ridiculous computer models cannot predict any of the major events in the weather (climate is the integral of weather)? So it is always right unless it is wrong?

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        TdeF

        And I seem to remember the BOM predicting a warm dry autumn this year in Southern Australia. It’s freezing and we are drowning. So apart from the cold and the rain, they are right. It’s autumn. Or what we should call a cold wet drought.

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      GD

      Heat records have been broken from the Antarctic to Greenland since January

      Strangely, those heat records completely by-passed Australia.

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    If anybody is interested.

    Even though all this started in early March with respect to the winding back of everything, April was the Month that everything was shut off, so that was the best Month to look at the data regarding consumption of electrical power, and from that, the generation of electrical power.

    So then, with everything wound back, what sort of changes would you expect?

    Compare this year to last year for power generation.

    February – This year 3% higher than last year. (think about it)

    March – This year 1.8% lower than last year.

    April – This year a little more than 4% lower than last year.

    That was surprising really, because you’d think it would be more than that with all the places of work out and off line, and industry and commerce are the bulk of power consumption.

    The evening peak is basically the same, with hardly any discernible change, and in fact, it was higher on most days.

    The early AM (4AM) daily minimum, the Base Load was utterly unchanged at all.

    Coal fired power, the same across the 24 hours of each day.

    Wind and solar, well, they did what they always do, not very much, their typical 10%. (And imagine running the Country on that 10%)

    Hydro, basically the same really, because keep in mind here, that’s all Tasmania has got, and the rest is basically just Snowy Hydro, so very little change there also.

    The big change was with natural gas fired power, all that was nearly all of that reduction.

    The reduction in actual power consumption was most visible with the morning peak mainly, a lot lower consistently most days, and that peak moved from around 6.30/7AM to 7.30 and closer to 8AM, mainly because work places and schools were now NOT firing up for the day, so a smaller AM peak, and then a slightly reduced consumption across the day from 8AM till 5PM, when the evening peak started to become big as it always does.

    What was not being consumed in places of work was now being consumed in the residential sector, but not as much.

    Note specifically here that the Base Load DID NOT change at all.

    These are just preliminary at the moment, as I still have to work through the data, with April only ended by a day and a half.

    (Joanne, if you see this, would like like a (more in depth than this summary) Post about it, say COVID and electrical power implications. See your email, Thursday 30April 8PM your time)

    Tony.

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      Bill In Oz

      Tony this Covid disease has taken everyone’s attention
      Off ‘Climate Change’
      While simulataneously showing all of us
      What life would be like if we
      Implemented their crazy nostrums.
      It’s as if we’ve all been vaccinated against
      The illusory Climate Change pandemic.

      That’s one benefit I guess !

      But maybe those of us who still have fighting
      climate change on the brain,
      Need to find another pre-occupation ?
      We may have won already !

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        JanEarth

        Bill

        But maybe those of us who still have fighting
        climate change on the brain,
        Need to find another pre-occupation ?
        We may have won already !

        Won… you have got to be kidding mate. You do realise this is an echo chamber and you are (mainly) among like minded people here. If you go out in the real world and speak to the young folk you will find that ‘we’ have won nothing. Nothing will strop the bird choppers and coal panels from spreading over the landscape, nothing will stop the accumulation of toxic waste from the production of bloody batteries, the battle was lost years ago. It’d all so depressing that I need to congratulate Jo for having the fortitude to continue with this endeavour with the enthusiasm she shows.

        The young will be holding the reigns of power very soon Bill and they no time for your ideas on what is reasonable or sensible.

        I hope I am wrong but I doubt it… someone please disavow me of my notions !

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          Sceptical Sam

          Nothing will strop the bird choppers and coal panels from spreading over the landscape

          Not so fast JanEarth.

          The whole fabrication is driven by the subsidies.

          Now that Australia is confronted with a $1.0 trillion in debt and growing it’s going to have to get its economy growing to pay it all down. You can’t grow an economy on subsidized, inefficient and under-powered windmills and solar panels.

          The subsidies will have to go – if we’re to pay down the debt and increase productivity.

          Contrary to your view, I’m a bit more optimistic. I think we are about to see a total revisit of the green-power fabrication in the not too distant future. The economy depends on it.

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          Serp

          I suppose auto complete and predictive text obscured an intention to write “reins of power” JanEarth.

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      Robber

      Tony, some big price changes at play (but not seen in consumer prices).
      Ex generator prices April 2020 $23-40/MWhr across all States; April 2019 $68-105/MWhr.
      March 2020 $37-47/MWhr; March 2019 $80-131/MWhr.
      It’s hard to find the same data on gas prices, but seems gas market was at $8-9/GJ last year, now $4-5/GJ, and gas is often the price setter as the highest bidder among the electricity generators, along with hydro for peaks.

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    Slithers

    O/T and somewhat provocative!
    I think that relatives of deceased persons who received massive doses of Hydroxychloroquine without the other recommended medications have a good chance of recompense to a law suite for wrongful death by the treating Doctors and the Hospitals that allowed such irresponsible treatment to continue!

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      JanEarth

      Slithers

      A genuine question… How can you be OT on an open thread ???

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        Slithers

        Easy, I am a magician. I typed it in when connected to the Indonesia thread, had a cup of coffee before sending and it appeared here!

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    Slithers

    Shutting Stable Doors.
    Ok you have a new patient with symptoms of COVID-19 you treat with massive dose of Vitamin D3 and Hydroxychloroquine and because the patient does not respond these treatments are useless and could even be dangerous. You shout out very loudly this so all can desist from using these medications.
    Both medications equate to shutting the stable door!
    Assuming they are initially effective who or rather what is going to open the stable door to get the horse back inside?
    We know that there are medications that help in this way so why don’t the medical professionals who shout that Hydroxychloroquine and or D3 are not effective know about and use simple stuff like zpac an K2 and zinc.
    Sadly the answer is ‘There is no MONEY in that!

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    RickWill

    First time in ten years that my off-grid battery has shutdown on low voltage in May here in Melbourne; and it is only 2nd May. Where is the sunshine gone?

    Melbourne has received record rain so far for 2020. More rain to end of April than in all 2019.

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      AndyG55

      Feeman Dyson, Fred Singer, Will Happer, Richard Lindzen, Don Easterbrook, John Christy, Willie Soon, Tim Ball, the Connelly father/son.

      I’m sure there are other real scientists we should pay attention to.

      By the likes of Mann, Schmidt, Karoly, Flannery, and most of the climate clowns.. they don’t do real “science”.

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        tom0mason

        AndyG55,

        By the likes of Mann, Schmidt, Karoly, Flannery, and most of the climate clowns.. they don’t do real “science”.

        You appear to imply that ‘scientists’ who only computer model the climate, or mainly use the results of such models without proper verification of the model’s worth are not real scientists.
        I would say you’ve seriously underestimated their level of incompetence and their ability to widely broadcast and proselytize such dangerous nonsense.

        :-)

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          AndyG55

          It is highly unlikely that I underestimate the level of incompetence of people like Mann, Schmidt etc etc and anyone that uses their little climate models to pretend they have even the faintest clue about future climate. ;-)

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            TdeF

            Climate modelling attracts upper atmosphere people. Like inventor of the crisis, James Hanson. Even Michael Mann talks about the atmosphere because it seems the atmosphere is the climate.

            My view is that there are two components to the weather, the sun and the oceans. And as the oceans contain 1200x as much energy as the air and a huge amount of air and cover 3/4 of the planet to 3.4km, they control the atmosphere. They have 50x as much CO2 as the air. Heat them and CO2 comes out, not the silly idea that CO2 heats the oceans, somehow.

            So if you want to understand the weather, you have to model the oceans. And without the water from the oceans you do not have typhoons, tornadoes, hurricanes, rain, sleet, snow, ice and weather. And no El Nino and La Nina or anything else.

            But the alleged experts all study and model the air, even the tiny upper atmosphere. And they are shocked when it is all wrong. They are studying effect, not cause. The air is a lousy predictor of the weather or the climate. It’s all about water and sunshine, as people in the street know.

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        JanEarth

        Andy

        You left out Judith Curry…How could you ? :(

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      TdeF

      Yes and no. Many doctors promoted ‘herd immunity’. As extremes Australia and Sweden have proven that idea not only wrong, murderously wrong. Sweden has 40% of our population at 10 million but 25x our deaths, 3x our infections and going up strongly. The Swedish ambassador said they have only 3 weeks to herd immunity. And there is no way that is possible and in two weeks people will be asking why 10,000 people had to die to prove a theory?

      As for climate change, there are two expert groups. One says is it a ridiculous, absurd, non science idea and we are throwing away vast sums of money on rubbish.

      The other larger group are direct beneficiaries of the vast sums and say it is real science and has been wrong in every single prediction for 32 year buy we have to keep spending $1 Trillion a year to stop something which is not happening. 400,000 windmills and where is the benefit? Where is the free electricity? Where are all the Green jobs? Where is the reduction in CO2, the only reasons for spending such vast sums?

      Experts. And when did Al Gore become a scientist?

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        TdeF

        As for the Swedish ‘economy’.

        What we see are groups at restaurants, at the beach, playing golf, going to concerts, in crowds, drinking in groups. Is that really what the economy means?

        Or is that selfish indulgence at the cost of thousands of lives and untold misery?

        If they can take 6 weeks paid holiday every year and the ‘economy’ does not collapse, why not a few more weeks for the lives of so many? And children and teachers take 3 months off school every year anyway?

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          Bill In Oz

          Sweden lovely place
          Lovely trusting people
          But their trust is misplaced !

          Corona virus cases : 21520
          Critically ill : 531
          Dead 2653
          New cases are doing a weird up and own movement just like they have for all of April.
          One thing is very clear about “Herd Immunity”
          Getting there means an awful lot of dead.
          Congratulations to the Swedish government !

          It might win them the Nobel prize in medicine this year.
          Sarc/

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            Sceptical Sam

            And, of course, what’s the trade off? How many lives are the Swedes prepared to sacrifice? What cost does the Swedish Government put on the life of one of its citizens?

            Does the Swedish Government really think that letting people die has no economic cost? Does it think that the economy won’t also be adversely affected by the loss of knowledge, reduction of the workforce, high levels of morbidity, loss of entrepreneurial capacity, all of which flow from its “let ‘em die” strategy?

            Does it think that the citizens of Sweden are unresponsive robots who won’t take their own decisions to protect their families by staying away? Away from work. Away from school. Away from social outings. All these “stay away” choices have economic impacts. Adverse economic impacts.

            It’s going to be a very interesting Mengelean experiment. I hope some academic writes it up in due course. There’s a myriad PhDs in there.

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        yarpos

        Instead of comparing apples and oranges, why not compare Sweden with its locked down peers in Europe. You know those other countries in winter with very porous borders.

        Sweden tracks mid range on overall excess mortality. Our jingoistic sense of superioity comes as much from distance and season as it does from great decision making. We had the luxury of exercising real border control. Imagine how much crowing we could do but for the Ruby Princess.

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    Bill In Oz

    Brazil is going down the CCP COVID gurgler.
    And all the other bordering nations of South America are worried.

    https://www.smh.com.au/world/south-america/so-what-brazil-s-neighbours-worry-about-laissez-faire-virus-response-20200430-p54opk.html

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    Bill In Oz

    I think that this CCP Corona virus pandemic
    Has achieved one good thing.
    It has psychologically ‘vaccinated’ most of us
    Against Greenism.

    The Greenists want to shut down everything
    Supposedly to save the planet.
    But for the past 2 months
    Almost everything has been shut down.

    And we all want our normal lives back
    ASAP.
    Anyone who suggests that we should all do it again
    Permanently
    Will be ignored as an utter dopey idiot.

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      Bill In Oz

      In moderation ?
      No link
      No slang
      Just a thought provoking hypothesis !

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        yarpos

        CCP may do it
        Utter dopey idiot may do it
        Or maybe it just choked on carriage return/ line feeds

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        JanEarth

        Bill

        Gurgler perhaps?

        Relax we all get to see your brain droppings given time… that was like what 10 minutes in moderation ?

        How old are you dude? Surely your demise is not that close ?

        Don’t get me wrong either… I do like you.

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    Meglort

    The coldest days in a Canberra April recorded since 1952 (when records began). Rainfall greater 150% over the long term average.

    Despite the fires, this summer gone was not on average really a hot one either – or that dry although, it was at the beginning.

    CLIMATE CRISIS?
    Yet the usual MSM suspects still fear mongering and demanding more tithing.
    The only crisis is the fake news about the (non) crisis.
    Meanwhile the weather has been more or less as it has for 70 years *sigh*

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    Another Ian

    “jim2

    So PDS has a new video about “climate change.” It features Oreskes, Mann, Hansen, and the usual suspects along with Saint Greta. I was amazed watching it that I felt taken back in time … pretty much the same ole BS as 30 years ago. Of course the solution recommended by that POS was “green” energy.

    Immediately after that, I viewed Moore’s Planet of the Humans. It negated every solution brought up by the PBS piece. Moore is getting a ration of brownish goo for his efforts, a joy to see :)

    Beautiful.

    Nuclear Power wasn’t mentioned as a solution in either, but that will be the solution.”

    “The PBS video …

    https://www.pbs.org/show/climate-change-facts/

    https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2020/04/23/w-o-o-d-22-april-2020/#comment-129132

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      RicDre

      “So PDS has a new video about ‘climate change’…”

      I recorded this program on my DVR but haven’t watched it yet. Thanks, for the review of its contents as it will allow me save me an hour of my time to spend on something else as well as free up some space on my DVR.

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    David Maddison

    QUOTE
    Major contractor quits Australia solar market after huge losses on projects

    Greek-based international contracting group and renewable energy developer Ellaktor is quitting the Australian solar market after posting huge losses from its construction portfolio that is spread across half a dozen projects in Queensland, NSW and Victoria.

    《《《See link for rest.》》》

    https://reneweconomy.com.au/major-contractor-quits-australia-solar-market-after-huge-losses-on-projects-82078/

    Things must be bad if they can’t make a profit with some of the heaviest subsidies and almost the most expensive electricity in the world. Good riddance!

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      Dennis

      The development applications for RET based businesses has declined markedly since the Federal Government placed a time limit on subsidies, 2030. Obviously any “farm” constructed during 2020/21 or later would only reach half or less of operating period before replacement of equipment was necessary, and most of those businesses will close down before that time is reached, major shareholders having sold their interest well before time.

      And then there is the legislation proposed to force greater competition between electricity supply businesses/companies, wind and solar cannot compete on a level playing field.

      Then consider that the Federal Government has been pushing the State and Territory Governments to approve fossil fuel powered Power Stations, already two approved, gas fired, one in VIC and one in SEQ, funding under written by the Federal Government, and a HELE coal fired Power Station project under negotiation for NQ. Add the Parliamentary Committee into nuclear power stations apparently favouring the Howard Government Report recommendation for small modular nuclear generators, subject the bans on nuclear energy by our governments.

      Add the decision in 2019 to no longer support IPCC “green funds” with Australian taxpayer’s monies, and other initiatives.

      Is it any wonder that the Union Labor & Greens, GetUp and high wealth individuals campaigned against real Liberal and National MPs during the May 2019 federal election?

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        Dennis

        Also, an existing NSW Power Station, I forget its name, is being converted to biomass (timber) fuel, already forestry operations have enough waste material to provide several years of power station fuel and, according to the Sky News interview, the bushfire hazard removal now in planning will provide more waste material.

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      Peter C

      Who is going to clean up that Huge Mess when it is all over?

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      Bill In Oz

      We don’t need them !
      Will not miss them !
      Byeeeeee !

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    Dennis

    From Andrew Bolt, Sky News interview report;

    “28/04/2020|9min
    Michael Moore’s new film ‘The Planet of the Humans’ marks the beginning of a “grand awakening” to the impacts of renewables on the natural environment says Environmental Progress founder Michael Shellenberger. Mr Moore has garnered fame and accolades for his documentaries over the last two decades, and has himself been an activist for broadly left issues including environmental protectionism. In his new film he exposes the renewable energy sector as not being entirely green or clean as well as criticising large corporations for virtue signalling on this issue.

    Mr Shellenberger said Moore is a “very left-wing person who people did not expect to issue a movie that was so critical of renewables”. He told Sky News host Chris Kenny, the problem with renewable energy is its fuel is “very energy dilute, you have to spread a huge amount of energy collectors,” be it solar panels or wind turbines, over a huge area, “so the land requirements are absolutely enormous”. Many people have politicised the issue of energy and environmentalism, but Mr Shellenberger said the problems with renewables exist “whether you have a capitalist society or a socialist society”. “They have to do with the inherent physical nature of renewable energy … the better energy sources have more energy, they’re higher energy density that means you use less of the natural environment”. “It’s impossible to just dismiss the people who are raising these concerns anymore as climate deniers or as right-wingers”. Image: Getty”

    As we have all been commenting, renewable energy from wind and solar is a waste of time and money.

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      TdeF

      Far worse than that, this idi*tic idea, disproven in the 18th century has cost the planet maybe $15Trillion at a guess and three decades of R&D which could have been spent on fusion energy and 100% usable non polluting Thorium, where Australia and India share the world’s supply.

      Imagine if Australia was leading the world on Thorium reactor development, instead of owning thousands of German/Chinese windmills at a cost of $60Billion at a guess. And now with devastating electricity costs which prohibit manufacturing.

      If we were ever the smart country, that was not in my lifetime. We are the mugs, living in paradise and earning as much money Nationally even in shutdown, which says it all. An open cut mine.

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        TdeF

        And wind is not free, predictable or reliable. And even Michael Moore admits windmills have an expected age of 10-20 years.

        Worse, unlike coal power stations, they cannot be maintained and upgraded so they are abandoned. Ugly decrepit, useless replaceables which will litter our landscape like Easter Island statues.

        Future generations will be puzzled as to why our society spend such an incredible amount of money building and erecting such obviously useless things. They will conclude it must have been a wacky religion, a doomsday cult. They will be right.

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          TdeF

          I am interested. Coal power stations owners have contracts which dictate they spend billions restoring the site when the station closes. Do the windmill operators have the same deal? Do they have to dispose of the 350kg of Niobium in each narcelle, the huge and dangerous rusting tower, the giant fibreglass blades, the massive concrete base and restore the environment to the condition it was in when they grabbed other peoples’ land and chopped the top off the mountain? Do they have to have a breeding program to replace all the many large birds, eagles which were killed? Or do they just walk away when the subsidies stop? Because they produced Green energy? And how Green was it?

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            Dennis

            They won’t walk away, the original investors will run away and hope that the investors that purchased their shares cannot find them when the business collapses.

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    TdeF

    And unless you make the output of combustion, CO2 and H2O are not in fact ‘pollution’ but the two essential molecules of all life, at the end of its life, a coal power station has provided an amazingly reliable adjustable service, steady power and the site has been completely cleaned. It is non polluting and harmed no wildlife.

    When you see the rusting shells of solar farms and lines of decrepit windtowers, can you say the same thing? And Michael Moore shows the destruction of vast numbers of ancient, Joshua treess being pulverized and whole desert ecosystems being destroyed? What is the Green plan to replace those? And how were they allowed to do it?

    Where were the ecologists and protesters outraged at the construction of huge solar plants or wind farms? Not one to be seen.

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    TdeF

    And in the Michael Moore Planet of the Humans film, the funniest moment was the Solar Festival with a big array of solar panels. The electrician said that not only couldn’t they power the festival, they could maybe run a toaster.

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      JanEarth

      Tdef

      I actually found very little funny in that film…disturbing yes but not funny.

      The closing scenes with the Orangutans was almost too much to watch…bloody gut wrenching.

      No wonder the Greens hate this film, it shows them as the stupid, hoodwinked, clueless fools that they really are

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        TdeF

        I think you are taking my comment a bit literally. It’s what I would call ironic laughter.

        Yes I also found the Orang Utan bit so disturbing, almost eco porn. Very disturbing and deliberately very distressing. Staged. Even photoshopped.

        What I do not know is why they included this because it is not about solar farms or wind towers.

        This is going on in Borneo and Sumatra and the Greens say nothing. And the huge annual fires which drown Singapore in acrid thick smoke every year. Nothing. But they attack Brazil which is nowhere near as bad and where there is no nett increase in agricultural land from what I have read.

        It seems like a standard ending to any ecological film. Tear jerking ecological tragedy. Box office.

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          JanEarth

          Tdef
          Forgive me… my sense of humour and my ability to discern irony has taken a battering lately.

          For a species with the ability to comprehend the Cosmos we can be incredibly stupid. If this was only on display occasionally it would not be an issue but seeing it day in and day out tends to become overwhelming.

          The best thing about the movie was the statement that CO2 is not the problem. If that nailed the ridiculous trope that CO2 is responsible for catastrophic global warming on the head forever I would be eternally grateful to Mr Moore. I seriously doubt that will happen.

          C’est la vie

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      AndyG55

      Let them eat toast !

      Nope that would require lots of toasters. ;-)

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        Another Ian

        The Pelosi modern on that seems to be icecream, not toast.

        Don’t worry about the freezers. And don’t connect with the dairy industry

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    OriginalSteve

    Speaking of a sparkling govt “success”…..

    Clearly its neen thoroghly tested…not…

    Installing it could interfere with a critical app for health monitoring like heart etc.

    Aparently it doesnt work with apple properly at all.

    Now imagine what any vaccine thats been rapidly thrown together might be like *shudder*…no thanks…

    https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-02/coronavirus-app-currently-not-fully-operational/12208924

    “Diabetes Australia has received reports from a number of people who said they experienced connection problems with their continuous glucose monitoring (CGM) apps after downloading COVIDSafe.

    “A spokesman for Health Minister Greg Hunt said the matter was being examined by the Department of Health and the Digital Transformation Agency.

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    Slithers

    I had a thought, (yes I know that’s unusual) about the silence of MSM regarding healthy immune systems and how to check and improve your own and even some cautions advice that wont cost an arm and a leg.
    Every MSM outfit I know of is always Poor and is heavily dependent upon advertising revenue, so a little financial persuasion not to tell the Sheeple about Vitamins D3 & K2 and how it will improve you bodies fight against the virus results in the silence we observe.

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    Peter C

    Does the NSW Health Minister understand Quarantine?

    I think not.

    A news article today says there is a new rapid PCR test for Covid19 which is being rolled out in NSW.
    https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/coronavirus/nsw-rolls-out-ultra-rapid-coronavirus-testing-kits-that-deliver-results-within-60-minutes/ar-BB13uQFW?ocid=spartanntp
    The Minister said:

    NSW Health Minister Brad Hazzard says the testing kits will give medical teams hours up their sleeve to help treat high-risk patients.

    “The faster we can isolate higher risk patients and quarantine their contacts, the less likely they can unknowingly spread it to others,” Mr Hazzard said.

    Actually we need to isolate “Infected People” and their contacts, until they are cleared. The faster infected patients can be separated from high risk the better our response can be.

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    greggg

    Dumb*rs*s with TDS that claim that Trump told people to inject disinfectant. The question he asked is here:
    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/04/media-mocks-trump-suggesting-light-treatment-coronavirus-patients-bio-tech-company-working-fda-cedars-sinai-uv-light-treatment-kill-virus-patients/
    Ozone, hydrogen peroxide, colloidal silver, iodine and sodium chlorite are used as disinfectants and can be used internally for infection. Trump mentions the lungs, and nebulising with hydrogen peroxide, colloidal silver or iodine can be very beneficial.

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    RicDre

    Australian Sen. Matthew Canavan seems like a smart politician:

    Australian Sen. Matthew Canavan: Western Countries Will See Through ‘Amateur Hour’ Chinese Propaganda

    https://www.breitbart.com/radio/2020/05/01/australian-sen-matthew-canavan-western-countries-will-see-through-amateur-hour-chinese-propaganda/

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    JanEarth

    Very interesting report on vitD and a swipe at the latest climate science nonsense in todays Suspicious Observers newscast

    https://youtu.be/VJ-T83XN4D0

    This is required viewing in this household on a daily basis. Jo I think you would be a welcome speaker at their yearly convention, it may be worth contacting Ben Davison.

    They have a whole series on the Sun and its importance to climate worth a look. Needless to say the role of solar forcing is so neglected in the climate models their utility in providing any future guidance is zero.

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    Roy Hogue

    Is there anyone who is tired of discussing CV19. Didn’t anyone have a great week at home with wife ad family since the last weekend open thread?

    Ne too!

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    cedarhill

    Ran across below while locking down for dinner:

    The US’s CDC has a less than stellar reputation with the general public – a long history – especially their advice regarding treatments. So much so that clinical MDs (those that actually treat the sick) are rebelling, again, regarding the CDC’s stumbling around with some taking the unusual step to publish a treatment protocol by a group calling themselves “Front Line COVID-19 Critical Care Consortium”:

    https://media2-production.mightynetworks.com/asset/9794803/Treating_Covid-19_in_ER_2_-_April_6_2020_final.pdf

    Chief of the Critical Care Service at the University of Wisconsin in Madison. He explains that it is the severe inflammation sparked by the Coronavirus, not the virus itself, that kills patients. Inflammation causes a new variety of Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS), which damages the lungs.

    Key elements are treating the pathologic processes leading up to multiple organ failures with CV-19:
    a. Cytokine storm
    b. hyper coagulation (clotting)
    c. low blood oxygen levels

    And:
    “Misinformation about the only anti-inflammatory treatment available for this ‘cytokine storm’ has resulted in COVID-19 patients dying from massive inflammation without receiving an effective and safe anti-inflammatory treatment. Mortality for ventilating patients is 50% — unacceptable.

    Their protocol doesn’t include zinc, which others report as being a key element (zinc has anti-viral effects?)

    Regardless, treatment of the sick would seem be THE focal point so that you never get to the crisis of having too few ventilators?

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    RicDre

    Study: High End Model Climate Sensitivities Not Supported by Paleo Evidence

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/05/02/study-high-end-model-climate-sensitivities-not-supported-by-paleo-evidence/

    A quote in the article attributed to John Mitchell, UK MET captures the Climate Model mindset perfectly

    People underestimate the power of models. Observational evidence is not very useful

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    Friday thread funny: Recent survey “showed that 71% of millennials and 67% of Generation Z feel that climate change has negatively affected their mental health“, by Bill McKibben

    Funny because hysteria over climate change [which is not and can't happen] is driving millennials and Generation Z mad. The funny bit is the title “How to Combat Climate Depression“. As if one of the band leaders for climate insanity can stop depression!

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      RicDre

      “Friday thread funny:…”

      I would add that creating Climate Change Depression is a feature of the Climate Change industry, not a bug. Also, the hardest part of watching Michael Moore’s Planet of Humans was having to listen to Bill McKibben which I always find pretty depressing.

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