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		<title>By: clive hoskin</title>
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		<dc:creator>clive hoskin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Feb 2020 03:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jo.WE HAVE ALREADY HAD ONE CASE REPORTED ON THE Sunshine Coast.What the hell is going on?There seems more to this virus than meets the eye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jo.WE HAVE ALREADY HAD ONE CASE REPORTED ON THE Sunshine Coast.What the hell is going on?There seems more to this virus than meets the eye.</p>
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		<title>By: Greebo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greebo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Feb 2020 02:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where&#039;s Bruce Ruxton when we need him? He would hyave been on every news show giving them what for.</description>
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		<title>By: Greebo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greebo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Feb 2020 02:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can see potential for some entrepreneurial type tp produce HiVis face masks for the pollies.</description>
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		<title>By: Zoe Phin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zoe Phin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Feb 2020 23:57:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Fred.
For the nice comment you will get the final view of how silly this is.

If you&#039;ve noticed I asked Rick the same question 5 times and he&#039;s ignored it. He can&#039;t commit to

HSR = CHF = CSR

If he really believed in his &quot;conservation of heat flow&quot; (not energy) idea he would just reaffirm.

I&#039;ve simplified what such a silly idea leads to:

HSR =&gt; [ CHF ] =&gt; CSR

Conduction Formula: q = KA(Th-Tc)/L
Radiation Formula q = ɛσT⁴

Simplify:

Set Absorptivity = Emissivity = 1
Set K = L = A = 1

HSR = σ(Th)⁴
CSR = σ(Tc)⁴
CHF = Th-Tc

Assuming HSR = CHF = CSR:

σ(Th)⁴ = Th-Tc = σ(Tc)⁴

There is only one solution!

Th = Tc = 0
HSR = CHF = CSR = 0

!!!

So in order to avoid the obvious, he concentrates on the cold end, uses the given Th (Th) in order to obtain Tc, but then he has a dilemma on the hot end:

He needs 1041W for 75C.

In reality conduction and radiation are both subtypes of total energy, and they don&#039;t need to equate.

The W/m^2 are not even for the same m^2:

If Area (A) is in dimension (x,y), then
L and K are in the z-dimension. You see it?

All Rick saw was two things using W/m^2 and thaught they must be equal because two subtypes of energies must have their heat flows conserved, for some reason.

Thanks again</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Fred.<br />
For the nice comment you will get the final view of how silly this is.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve noticed I asked Rick the same question 5 times and he&#8217;s ignored it. He can&#8217;t commit to</p>
<p>HSR = CHF = CSR</p>
<p>If he really believed in his &#8220;conservation of heat flow&#8221; (not energy) idea he would just reaffirm.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve simplified what such a silly idea leads to:</p>
<p>HSR =&gt; [ CHF ] =&gt; CSR</p>
<p>Conduction Formula: q = KA(Th-Tc)/L<br />
Radiation Formula q = ɛσT⁴</p>
<p>Simplify:</p>
<p>Set Absorptivity = Emissivity = 1<br />
Set K = L = A = 1</p>
<p>HSR = σ(Th)⁴<br />
CSR = σ(Tc)⁴<br />
CHF = Th-Tc</p>
<p>Assuming HSR = CHF = CSR:</p>
<p>σ(Th)⁴ = Th-Tc = σ(Tc)⁴</p>
<p>There is only one solution!</p>
<p>Th = Tc = 0<br />
HSR = CHF = CSR = 0</p>
<p>!!!</p>
<p>So in order to avoid the obvious, he concentrates on the cold end, uses the given Th (Th) in order to obtain Tc, but then he has a dilemma on the hot end:</p>
<p>He needs 1041W for 75C.</p>
<p>In reality conduction and radiation are both subtypes of total energy, and they don&#8217;t need to equate.</p>
<p>The W/m^2 are not even for the same m^2:</p>
<p>If Area (A) is in dimension (x,y), then<br />
L and K are in the z-dimension. You see it?</p>
<p>All Rick saw was two things using W/m^2 and thaught they must be equal because two subtypes of energies must have their heat flows conserved, for some reason.</p>
<p>Thanks again</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Streeter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Streeter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Feb 2020 22:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Zoe

No Physics from me, just a thank you for an interesting post.

I have had a great time reading your blog posts and trying to get my &quot;brain&quot; around the various discussions.

Most refreshing!

Thanks again.</description>
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<p>No Physics from me, just a thank you for an interesting post.</p>
<p>I have had a great time reading your blog posts and trying to get my &#8220;brain&#8221; around the various discussions.</p>
<p>Most refreshing!</p>
<p>Thanks again.</p>
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		<title>By: WXcycles</title>
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		<dc:creator>WXcycles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Feb 2020 12:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Animation of ultra-low RH stratospheric air sinking all the way to ground level. &lt;/strong&gt;

Shows clearly that the ultra-low humidity air&lt;strong&gt; almost never sinks to the surface anywhere which is not already desert.&lt;/strong&gt; It mostly sinks during the night and is lifted again by the morning Sun’s warmth and convection.  

&lt;strong&gt;Desert Surface Diurnal Ultra-Low Relative Humidity Occurrences:&lt;/strong&gt;
https://i.ibb.co/C6L3rrg/Desert-Surface-Diurnal-Ultra-Low-Relative-Humidity-Occurrence-ECMWF.gif

Sometimes the rate of in-falling becomes so high that ultra-low RH air can make it down to the surface even during the day. The very high rate of sinking stratosphere over west Africa is associated with a static cold-core Low-pressure system that’s driving the northern side of the Atlantic Equatorial-Jet. Plus from air in a Sahara High that’s sits under the tropical Jetstream there. The base of the jetstream there is completely loaded with sinking stratosphere. It’s this same jet which is creating the long-lived zonal jetstream structure which currently extends 2/3 of the way around the northern hemisphere (since early January), to the central Pacific where it links up with the E Pacific Equatorial-Jet.

&lt;strong&gt;Why would the driest stratospheric air, falling into the troposphere, sink only down to the surface in the locations of the driest of deserts on the planet?&lt;/strong&gt;

This situation represents the classic chicken verses egg. It’s fairly clear logically, that the &lt;strong&gt;falling stratosphere has a longer term in-falling ‘structure’ (which is otherwise unseen, undetected and has not been recognized prior) &lt;/strong&gt;which creates and maintains deserts via stratospheric air &lt;strong&gt;always falling into the same general locations, for years, decades, centuries, or millennia.&lt;/strong&gt;

&lt;strong&gt;Sometimes the ultra-dry air stops falling in such high volume--globally&lt;/strong&gt;. It may even stop completely so that the desert can become much wetter and greener again for a few years or decades, or even a century,&lt;strong&gt; until the ultra dry air suddenly returns again to this same location again via the same controlling and guiding in-fall structure within the lower stratosphere.&lt;/strong&gt;

This is apparently why true deserts form. It’s not all wind patterns, orographic terrain or rain shadows. This in-falling stratospheric air is clearly a &lt;strong&gt;major factor as to why true deserts exist&lt;/strong&gt; at all. And why cyclic structured releases of sinking stratospheric air cause the&lt;strong&gt; ‘desertification’ to wax and wane in intensity over many decades.&lt;/strong&gt;

Currently it appears we’re entering into a new phase of global ‘browning’ and desertification, with likely development of chronic drought conditions still to come. 

(It will not be pretty. We can be sure it’s real causes will be misrepresented and lied about avidly by the mainstream lie-production media machine for the dishonest UN and the useless pathologically dishonest politicians, and the opportunistic virtue-signaling concern-trolling pop-stars on the make, plus Red-Cross famine appeals hosted by Koshi. ... authenticity nowhere to be found ...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Animation of ultra-low RH stratospheric air sinking all the way to ground level. </strong></p>
<p>Shows clearly that the ultra-low humidity air<strong> almost never sinks to the surface anywhere which is not already desert.</strong> It mostly sinks during the night and is lifted again by the morning Sun’s warmth and convection.  </p>
<p><strong>Desert Surface Diurnal Ultra-Low Relative Humidity Occurrences:</strong><br />
<a href="https://i.ibb.co/C6L3rrg/Desert-Surface-Diurnal-Ultra-Low-Relative-Humidity-Occurrence-ECMWF.gif" rel="nofollow">https://i.ibb.co/C6L3rrg/Desert-Surface-Diurnal-Ultra-Low-Relative-Humidity-Occurrence-ECMWF.gif</a></p>
<p>Sometimes the rate of in-falling becomes so high that ultra-low RH air can make it down to the surface even during the day. The very high rate of sinking stratosphere over west Africa is associated with a static cold-core Low-pressure system that’s driving the northern side of the Atlantic Equatorial-Jet. Plus from air in a Sahara High that’s sits under the tropical Jetstream there. The base of the jetstream there is completely loaded with sinking stratosphere. It’s this same jet which is creating the long-lived zonal jetstream structure which currently extends 2/3 of the way around the northern hemisphere (since early January), to the central Pacific where it links up with the E Pacific Equatorial-Jet.</p>
<p><strong>Why would the driest stratospheric air, falling into the troposphere, sink only down to the surface in the locations of the driest of deserts on the planet?</strong></p>
<p>This situation represents the classic chicken verses egg. It’s fairly clear logically, that the <strong>falling stratosphere has a longer term in-falling ‘structure’ (which is otherwise unseen, undetected and has not been recognized prior) </strong>which creates and maintains deserts via stratospheric air <strong>always falling into the same general locations, for years, decades, centuries, or millennia.</strong></p>
<p><strong>Sometimes the ultra-dry air stops falling in such high volume&#8211;globally</strong>. It may even stop completely so that the desert can become much wetter and greener again for a few years or decades, or even a century,<strong> until the ultra dry air suddenly returns again to this same location again via the same controlling and guiding in-fall structure within the lower stratosphere.</strong></p>
<p>This is apparently why true deserts form. It’s not all wind patterns, orographic terrain or rain shadows. This in-falling stratospheric air is clearly a <strong>major factor as to why true deserts exist</strong> at all. And why cyclic structured releases of sinking stratospheric air cause the<strong> ‘desertification’ to wax and wane in intensity over many decades.</strong></p>
<p>Currently it appears we’re entering into a new phase of global ‘browning’ and desertification, with likely development of chronic drought conditions still to come. </p>
<p>(It will not be pretty. We can be sure it’s real causes will be misrepresented and lied about avidly by the mainstream lie-production media machine for the dishonest UN and the useless pathologically dishonest politicians, and the opportunistic virtue-signaling concern-trolling pop-stars on the make, plus Red-Cross famine appeals hosted by Koshi. &#8230; authenticity nowhere to be found &#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: robert rosicka</title>
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		<dc:creator>robert rosicka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Feb 2020 11:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ABC take note .</description>
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		<title>By: pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Feb 2020 11:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how pathetic. pic of a smug Prof Taylor, who was the chief energy expert witness at a public inquiry:


22 Feb: Sky UK: Government &#039;failing to show leadership&#039; over plans for new coal mines  
Some residents in Northumberland are against plans to open a new site near Druridge Bay, which has a rich history of coal mining.
by Lisa Holland - Senior news correspondent  
Environmentalists and scientists have told Sky News that the government is failing to show leadership over the opening of new coal mines...
We have been examining a long-standing application to open a new mine within a kilometre of the dunes of Druridge Bay in Northumberland...

Britain does still need coal, but not nearly as much as it used to...
The government plans to phase out coal-fired power stations by 2025.
But there is still a domestic demand for the fossil fuel in industries such as steel, cement and even heritage railways.
In 2018, Britain imported just over 10 million tonnes of coal which accounted for 80% of the country&#039;s coal usage.
Nearly half came from Russia. It is also imported from America, Australia and Columbia.

Banks Mining, which wants to open the new Northumberland mine, argues it is better to use local coal than bring it from overseas.
But the company is refusing to guarantee it will not export any abroad...

Evidence was presented to the inquiry that emissions created by transportation are insignificant compared to the emissions from burning coal.
Professor (Phil) Taylor, (Director National Centre for Energy Systems Integration CESI) argues that coal from existing global coal mines should be used first as those are &quot;committed emissions&quot;.
He said: &quot;If we want to make cement and steel we can do that with coal from other places. We can get that from coal mines that have already opened.&quot;...
https://news.sky.com/story/government-failing-to-show-leadership-over-plans-for-new-coal-mines-11939748</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how pathetic. pic of a smug Prof Taylor, who was the chief energy expert witness at a public inquiry:</p>
<p>22 Feb: Sky UK: Government &#8216;failing to show leadership&#8217; over plans for new coal mines<br />
Some residents in Northumberland are against plans to open a new site near Druridge Bay, which has a rich history of coal mining.<br />
by Lisa Holland &#8211; Senior news correspondent<br />
Environmentalists and scientists have told Sky News that the government is failing to show leadership over the opening of new coal mines&#8230;<br />
We have been examining a long-standing application to open a new mine within a kilometre of the dunes of Druridge Bay in Northumberland&#8230;</p>
<p>Britain does still need coal, but not nearly as much as it used to&#8230;<br />
The government plans to phase out coal-fired power stations by 2025.<br />
But there is still a domestic demand for the fossil fuel in industries such as steel, cement and even heritage railways.<br />
In 2018, Britain imported just over 10 million tonnes of coal which accounted for 80% of the country&#8217;s coal usage.<br />
Nearly half came from Russia. It is also imported from America, Australia and Columbia.</p>
<p>Banks Mining, which wants to open the new Northumberland mine, argues it is better to use local coal than bring it from overseas.<br />
But the company is refusing to guarantee it will not export any abroad&#8230;</p>
<p>Evidence was presented to the inquiry that emissions created by transportation are insignificant compared to the emissions from burning coal.<br />
Professor (Phil) Taylor, (Director National Centre for Energy Systems Integration CESI) argues that coal from existing global coal mines should be used first as those are &#8220;committed emissions&#8221;.<br />
He said: &#8220;If we want to make cement and steel we can do that with coal from other places. We can get that from coal mines that have already opened.&#8221;&#8230;<br />
<a href="https://news.sky.com/story/government-failing-to-show-leadership-over-plans-for-new-coal-mines-11939748" rel="nofollow">https://news.sky.com/story/government-failing-to-show-leadership-over-plans-for-new-coal-mines-11939748</a></p>
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		<title>By: pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Feb 2020 10:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FT is behind paywall. some excerts here:

22 Feb: Yahoo: Financial Times: UK’s top ***pension scheme tackles Barclays on climate change 
by Attracta Mooney
Nest, the UK&#039;s largest pension fund with 8.5m members, has called on Barclays to present a &quot;clear and robust plan&quot; to phase out financing some fossil fuel companies as the bank faces growing pressure over its role in global warming.
The UK state-backed retirement scheme said it would support a landmark climate change resolution that will go to a vote at Barclays’ annual meeting in May. 

The proposal, which was filed by 11 shareholders with a combined £130bn in assets, asked the bank to stop financing energy companies that are not aligned with the Paris Agreement to tackle global temperature rises. Barclays ranks as the world’s sixth-largest backer of fossil fuels and the largest financier of fossil fuel of any European bank, exceeding its peers by $27bn, according to campaign group Rainforest Action Network... 
https://finance.yahoo.com/m/6311838c-da71-3fdd-8bfd-67703facaf84/uk%E2%80%99s-top-pension-scheme.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FT is behind paywall. some excerts here:</p>
<p>22 Feb: Yahoo: Financial Times: UK’s top ***pension scheme tackles Barclays on climate change<br />
by Attracta Mooney<br />
Nest, the UK&#8217;s largest pension fund with 8.5m members, has called on Barclays to present a &#8220;clear and robust plan&#8221; to phase out financing some fossil fuel companies as the bank faces growing pressure over its role in global warming.<br />
The UK state-backed retirement scheme said it would support a landmark climate change resolution that will go to a vote at Barclays’ annual meeting in May. </p>
<p>The proposal, which was filed by 11 shareholders with a combined £130bn in assets, asked the bank to stop financing energy companies that are not aligned with the Paris Agreement to tackle global temperature rises. Barclays ranks as the world’s sixth-largest backer of fossil fuels and the largest financier of fossil fuel of any European bank, exceeding its peers by $27bn, according to campaign group Rainforest Action Network&#8230;<br />
<a href="https://finance.yahoo.com/m/6311838c-da71-3fdd-8bfd-67703facaf84/uk%E2%80%99s-top-pension-scheme.html" rel="nofollow">https://finance.yahoo.com/m/6311838c-da71-3fdd-8bfd-67703facaf84/uk%E2%80%99s-top-pension-scheme.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Feb 2020 10:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>behind paywall - last para excerpted found on Carbon Brief:

21 Feb: UK Telegraph: The ban on coal and wood drives away the very people who trusted the Tories 
by Charles Moore
This pointless policy might pacify the city-dwelling green lobby, but it will alienate everyone else.
Everyone – even Greta Thunberg – has a metaphorical carbon footprint, but I have a literal one. Each morning during the winter months (in rural areas, that’s late September to mid-May), I descend to the cellar, fill the coal-scuttle, and carry it up to my study. To my wife’s annoyance, my carbon footprint is often visible on the carpet.

By the warming flicker of the resulting coal fire, I write, among other things, this column. From my desk, I look out on our other source of particular, as opposed to central, heating – our wood-stack. If we did not keep the home fires burning, I would be too cold and therefore too cheerless to keep the supply of columnar ideas coming. So when a Conservative government decrees this week that our bituminous house coal will shortly be banned and my logs carefully adjudicated by inspectors to work out their noxiousness, I take it personally...

The Leave victory in the 2016 referendum, and its confirmation in last December’s general election, showed how dramatically the ‘people from somewhere’ had rejected control by the ‘people from anywhere’. Yet the false doctrine of climate emergency is treating people from somewhere as if they were people from nowhere. If Boris Johnson is not careful, he will face both electoral and economic emergencies as a result...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/02/21/ban-coal-wood-drives-away-people-trusted-tories/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>behind paywall &#8211; last para excerpted found on Carbon Brief:</p>
<p>21 Feb: UK Telegraph: The ban on coal and wood drives away the very people who trusted the Tories<br />
by Charles Moore<br />
This pointless policy might pacify the city-dwelling green lobby, but it will alienate everyone else.<br />
Everyone – even Greta Thunberg – has a metaphorical carbon footprint, but I have a literal one. Each morning during the winter months (in rural areas, that’s late September to mid-May), I descend to the cellar, fill the coal-scuttle, and carry it up to my study. To my wife’s annoyance, my carbon footprint is often visible on the carpet.</p>
<p>By the warming flicker of the resulting coal fire, I write, among other things, this column. From my desk, I look out on our other source of particular, as opposed to central, heating – our wood-stack. If we did not keep the home fires burning, I would be too cold and therefore too cheerless to keep the supply of columnar ideas coming. So when a Conservative government decrees this week that our bituminous house coal will shortly be banned and my logs carefully adjudicated by inspectors to work out their noxiousness, I take it personally&#8230;</p>
<p>The Leave victory in the 2016 referendum, and its confirmation in last December’s general election, showed how dramatically the ‘people from somewhere’ had rejected control by the ‘people from anywhere’. Yet the false doctrine of climate emergency is treating people from somewhere as if they were people from nowhere. If Boris Johnson is not careful, he will face both electoral and economic emergencies as a result&#8230;<br />
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		<link>http://joannenova.com.au/2020/02/weekend-unthreaded-299/#comment-2280715</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Feb 2020 10:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>behind paywall...good opening, but I think it goes CAGW-awry after these excerpts:

21 Feb: UK Telegraph editorial: Environmentalists must stop talking hot air 
Most people want to do their bit to help the environment. The problem is that the goal posts keep shifting (wood-burning stoves and diesel cars are encouraged one minute, discouraged the next) and trust is undermined by false promises. 

A lot of what we recycle, it turns out, has been shipped off to poorer countries and dumped in landfill – and, as we reveal today, consumers are being misled by a Wild West market in carbon offsetting.

One can compensate for polluting the planet by ticking a box to protect a forest, but there is no guarantee that it will actually happen. Given the money and good intentions being poured into this industry, it is a crushing disappointment...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2020/02/21/environmentalists-must-stop-talking-hot-air/

behind paywall:

23 Feb: UK Telegraph: The police&#039;s inaction over Extinction Rebellion is criminally disturbing
by Daniel Hannan
Tweet something unwoke and you’ll have your collar felt. Deliberately and determinedly deface a Cambridge college, on the other hand, and the police will stand by and watch. Not only that, they will use emergency powers to divert traffic, giving you a clearer run at your target. 

Coppers are human beings, sensitive, like everyone else, to political currents. In the present climate, any infraction of the norms associated with identity politics is considered a heinous offence. Environmentalism, by contrast, is seen as A Good Thing, so we tend to smile indulgently when the more fanatical eco-activists overstep the mark.

When I say “we”, I don’t mean the general population: most people take the sensible view that damaging property is a more serious matter than expressing an opinion. I am referring, rather, to what Antonio Gramsci called the “cultural hegemony”, the dominant ideology as upheld by public intellectuals, broadcasters, politicians, commentators and, these days, actors. It is to their mood, not that of the country at large, that ambitious chief constables defer...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/02/23/polices-inaction-extinction-rebellion-criminally-disturbing/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>behind paywall&#8230;good opening, but I think it goes CAGW-awry after these excerpts:</p>
<p>21 Feb: UK Telegraph editorial: Environmentalists must stop talking hot air<br />
Most people want to do their bit to help the environment. The problem is that the goal posts keep shifting (wood-burning stoves and diesel cars are encouraged one minute, discouraged the next) and trust is undermined by false promises. </p>
<p>A lot of what we recycle, it turns out, has been shipped off to poorer countries and dumped in landfill – and, as we reveal today, consumers are being misled by a Wild West market in carbon offsetting.</p>
<p>One can compensate for polluting the planet by ticking a box to protect a forest, but there is no guarantee that it will actually happen. Given the money and good intentions being poured into this industry, it is a crushing disappointment&#8230;<br />
<a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2020/02/21/environmentalists-must-stop-talking-hot-air/" rel="nofollow">https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2020/02/21/environmentalists-must-stop-talking-hot-air/</a></p>
<p>behind paywall:</p>
<p>23 Feb: UK Telegraph: The police&#8217;s inaction over Extinction Rebellion is criminally disturbing<br />
by Daniel Hannan<br />
Tweet something unwoke and you’ll have your collar felt. Deliberately and determinedly deface a Cambridge college, on the other hand, and the police will stand by and watch. Not only that, they will use emergency powers to divert traffic, giving you a clearer run at your target. </p>
<p>Coppers are human beings, sensitive, like everyone else, to political currents. In the present climate, any infraction of the norms associated with identity politics is considered a heinous offence. Environmentalism, by contrast, is seen as A Good Thing, so we tend to smile indulgently when the more fanatical eco-activists overstep the mark.</p>
<p>When I say “we”, I don’t mean the general population: most people take the sensible view that damaging property is a more serious matter than expressing an opinion. I am referring, rather, to what Antonio Gramsci called the “cultural hegemony”, the dominant ideology as upheld by public intellectuals, broadcasters, politicians, commentators and, these days, actors. It is to their mood, not that of the country at large, that ambitious chief constables defer&#8230;<br />
<a href="https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/02/23/polices-inaction-extinction-rebellion-criminally-disturbing/" rel="nofollow">https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/02/23/polices-inaction-extinction-rebellion-criminally-disturbing/</a></p>
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		<title>By: pat</title>
		<link>http://joannenova.com.au/2020/02/weekend-unthreaded-299/#comment-2280708</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Feb 2020 10:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>23 Feb: Reuters: Climate change gets first mention in G20 finance communique of Trump era
by Andrea Shalal, Michael Nienaber;  Additional reporting by Jan Strupczewksi
RIYADH - Finance officials from the world’s 20 biggest economies (G20) on Sunday referenced climate change in their final communique for the first time in U.S. President Donald Trump’s administration, but stopped short of calling it a major risk to the economy. 
The United States blocked including climate change on a list of downside risks to global growth that had won agreement by nearly all other G20 delegates, but ultimately agreed to permit a reference to the Financial Stability Board’s work examining the implications of climate change for financial stability.

U.S. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin played down the importance of the language included, calling it a “purely factual” reference to work being done by the FSB. But several G20 sources said it marked progress toward greater recognition of the economic risks posed by climate change.  
“I did not bend to pressure from the Europeans,” Mnuchin told reporters after the release of the communique, bristling at the characterization of one reporter...

One of the G20 sources said it was the first time a reference to climate change had been included in a G20 finance communique during Trump’s presidency, even though it was removed from the top of the joint statement... 
Delegates worked out the compromise this weekend after Washington objected to a proposal to add “macroeconomic risk related to environmental stability” to a list of downside risks to global growth, two G20 diplomatic sources said. 

The final version of the communique eliminated those words from the first paragraph, leaving the only mention of climate concerns in the context of the work being done by the FSB further down in the document. 
That passage reads: “Mobilizing sustainable finance and strengthening financial inclusion are important for global growth and stability. The FSB is examining the financial stability implications of climate change.” 
“We welcome private sector participation and transparency in these areas.” 
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-g20-communique/climate-change-gets-first-mention-in-g20-finance-communique-of-trump-era-idUSKCN20H08Q</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>23 Feb: Reuters: Climate change gets first mention in G20 finance communique of Trump era<br />
by Andrea Shalal, Michael Nienaber;  Additional reporting by Jan Strupczewksi<br />
RIYADH &#8211; Finance officials from the world’s 20 biggest economies (G20) on Sunday referenced climate change in their final communique for the first time in U.S. President Donald Trump’s administration, but stopped short of calling it a major risk to the economy.<br />
The United States blocked including climate change on a list of downside risks to global growth that had won agreement by nearly all other G20 delegates, but ultimately agreed to permit a reference to the Financial Stability Board’s work examining the implications of climate change for financial stability.</p>
<p>U.S. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin played down the importance of the language included, calling it a “purely factual” reference to work being done by the FSB. But several G20 sources said it marked progress toward greater recognition of the economic risks posed by climate change.<br />
“I did not bend to pressure from the Europeans,” Mnuchin told reporters after the release of the communique, bristling at the characterization of one reporter&#8230;</p>
<p>One of the G20 sources said it was the first time a reference to climate change had been included in a G20 finance communique during Trump’s presidency, even though it was removed from the top of the joint statement&#8230;<br />
Delegates worked out the compromise this weekend after Washington objected to a proposal to add “macroeconomic risk related to environmental stability” to a list of downside risks to global growth, two G20 diplomatic sources said. </p>
<p>The final version of the communique eliminated those words from the first paragraph, leaving the only mention of climate concerns in the context of the work being done by the FSB further down in the document.<br />
That passage reads: “Mobilizing sustainable finance and strengthening financial inclusion are important for global growth and stability. The FSB is examining the financial stability implications of climate change.”<br />
“We welcome private sector participation and transparency in these areas.”<br />
<a href="https://www.reuters.com/article/us-g20-communique/climate-change-gets-first-mention-in-g20-finance-communique-of-trump-era-idUSKCN20H08Q" rel="nofollow">https://www.reuters.com/article/us-g20-communique/climate-change-gets-first-mention-in-g20-finance-communique-of-trump-era-idUSKCN20H08Q</a></p>
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		<link>http://joannenova.com.au/2020/02/weekend-unthreaded-299/#comment-2280699</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Feb 2020 10:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TWEET: Dave Sharma, Member for Wentworth
To those who have been in touch to check, I confess my use of sarcasm below:
I have never donated to @GetUp, and never will!
8m ago
https://twitter.com/DaveSharma/status/1231879992931278849

TWEET: GetUp!
Don&#039;t believe what you read in The Australian, we spend 89% of our donations on campaigns. We&#039;re proud of our work, our volunteers and our staff (who we pay) READ ON
23 Feb 2020
https://twitter.com/GetUp/status/1231726101312892928</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TWEET: Dave Sharma, Member for Wentworth<br />
To those who have been in touch to check, I confess my use of sarcasm below:<br />
I have never donated to @GetUp, and never will!<br />
8m ago<br />
<a href="https://twitter.com/DaveSharma/status/1231879992931278849" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/DaveSharma/status/1231879992931278849</a></p>
<p>TWEET: GetUp!<br />
Don&#8217;t believe what you read in The Australian, we spend 89% of our donations on campaigns. We&#8217;re proud of our work, our volunteers and our staff (who we pay) READ ON<br />
23 Feb 2020<br />
<a href="https://twitter.com/GetUp/status/1231726101312892928" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/GetUp/status/1231726101312892928</a></p>
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		<link>http://joannenova.com.au/2020/02/weekend-unthreaded-299/#comment-2280690</link>
		<dc:creator>pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Feb 2020 09:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>h/t Chris Kenny/Sky:

VIDEO: 1m21s: 18 Feb: UK Sun: &#039;WASTE OF MONEY&#039; GMB viewers slam ‘out of touch’ Esther Rantzen as she defends £154 BBC licence fee that ‘people don’t want to pay’
by Joe Duggan
GOOD Morning Britain viewers today blasted &#039;out of touch&#039; Dame Esther Rantzen for backing the BBC licence fee.
The veteran TV presenter, 79, insisted the Beeb&#039;s £154 levy was &#039;hugely good value&#039; while speaking with GMB hosts Richard Madeley and Ranvir Singh.
But GMB viewers attacked the charge as a &#039;waste of money&#039;...

***(Rantzen) added: &quot;If this planet survives it will be due to two words: David Attenborough.&quot;...
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10987769/gmb-bbc-licence-fee-esther-rantzen/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>h/t Chris Kenny/Sky:</p>
<p>VIDEO: 1m21s: 18 Feb: UK Sun: &#8216;WASTE OF MONEY&#8217; GMB viewers slam ‘out of touch’ Esther Rantzen as she defends £154 BBC licence fee that ‘people don’t want to pay’<br />
by Joe Duggan<br />
GOOD Morning Britain viewers today blasted &#8216;out of touch&#8217; Dame Esther Rantzen for backing the BBC licence fee.<br />
The veteran TV presenter, 79, insisted the Beeb&#8217;s £154 levy was &#8216;hugely good value&#8217; while speaking with GMB hosts Richard Madeley and Ranvir Singh.<br />
But GMB viewers attacked the charge as a &#8216;waste of money&#8217;&#8230;</p>
<p>***(Rantzen) added: &#8220;If this planet survives it will be due to two words: David Attenborough.&#8221;&#8230;<br />
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		<link>http://joannenova.com.au/2020/02/weekend-unthreaded-299/#comment-2280687</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Feb 2020 09:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beijing needs to develop better animal husbandry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beijing needs to develop better animal husbandry.</p>
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