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		<title>By: Fred Streeter</title>
		<link>http://joannenova.com.au/2020/02/tuesday-open-thread-5/#comment-2280188</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Streeter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Feb 2020 12:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>VIIRS: A 22-band radiometer that
collects infrared and visible light data to observe weather, climate, oceans, nightlight, wildfires, movement of ice, and changes in vegetation and &lt;strong&gt;landforms&lt;/strong&gt;.

&lt;strong&gt;landform&lt;/strong&gt;
&lt;em&gt;&quot;Geology.
A specific geomorphic feature on the surface of the earth, ranging from large-scale features such as plains, plateaus, and mountains to minor features such as hills, valleys, and alluvial fans.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;&quot;Just how much of that image is from the VIIR instrument???&quot;&lt;/em&gt; Instrument&lt;strong&gt;s&lt;/strong&gt;
Other than the superimposed borders - 100%. (Or nearly so, as other sensors might contribute data useful in constructing that image.)

&lt;em&gt;&quot;Satellite data cannot lie, don’t you know, but NOAA can and does use deception with impunity.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;
In this instance, to what end?

(And they have done so very well, 8 years of VIIRS images and nobody has found them out!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>VIIRS: A 22-band radiometer that<br />
collects infrared and visible light data to observe weather, climate, oceans, nightlight, wildfires, movement of ice, and changes in vegetation and <strong>landforms</strong>.</p>
<p><strong>landform</strong><br />
<em>&#8220;Geology.<br />
A specific geomorphic feature on the surface of the earth, ranging from large-scale features such as plains, plateaus, and mountains to minor features such as hills, valleys, and alluvial fans.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><em>&#8220;Just how much of that image is from the VIIR instrument???&#8221;</em> Instrument<strong>s</strong><br />
Other than the superimposed borders &#8211; 100%. (Or nearly so, as other sensors might contribute data useful in constructing that image.)</p>
<p><em>&#8220;Satellite data cannot lie, don’t you know, but NOAA can and does use deception with impunity.&#8221;</em><br />
In this instance, to what end?</p>
<p>(And they have done so very well, 8 years of VIIRS images and nobody has found them out!)</p>
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		<title>By: Slithers</title>
		<link>http://joannenova.com.au/2020/02/tuesday-open-thread-5/#comment-2279993</link>
		<dc:creator>Slithers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Feb 2020 03:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The caption states First Light from VIIR. 
The image is a fabrication.
Just how much of that image is from the VIIR instrument???
Check it out and see that only about 10% of that image is VIRR data.
Satellite data cannot lie, don&#039;t you know but NOAA can and does use deception with impunity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The caption states First Light from VIIR.<br />
The image is a fabrication.<br />
Just how much of that image is from the VIIR instrument???<br />
Check it out and see that only about 10% of that image is VIRR data.<br />
Satellite data cannot lie, don&#8217;t you know but NOAA can and does use deception with impunity.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Streeter</title>
		<link>http://joannenova.com.au/2020/02/tuesday-open-thread-5/#comment-2279837</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Streeter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Feb 2020 21:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;&quot;Not true that boarder runs along a line of latitude. The steps indicate quite clearly that is the Hand of Man who fiddled with the image.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Try &quot;Not true&lt;strong&gt;;&lt;/strong&gt; that &lt;strong&gt;border&lt;/strong&gt; runs along a line of latitude.&quot;

It certainly does, but the data from the satellite is remapped to a Mercator grid, to eliminate overlapping pixels, and other graphic distortions that hinder the interpretation of the image.

(Mercator: Lines of Latitude are Horizontal, Lines of Longitude are Vertical.)

This is a known and accepted procedure. It is in the literature.
 
So, it was a doddle to take a Mercator line map of California without text, scale it to the Satellite image, and project it onto the map.


&lt;em&gt;&quot;So now go look at the coast line that sometimes is several KM out of alignment.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

However, it ain&#039;t a certainty that an ad hoc image is going to project 100%, the twiddly bits may not map, but this is a First Light proof of concept exercise.


&lt;em&gt;&quot;Look at San Fran Bay, NOT ANY INDICATION OF THE EARTH’s curvature.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Mercator removes the Earth&#039;s curvature, it projects the globe onto a cylinder. I.E. a flat image.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>&#8220;Not true that boarder runs along a line of latitude. The steps indicate quite clearly that is the Hand of Man who fiddled with the image.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Try &#8220;Not true<strong>;</strong> that <strong>border</strong> runs along a line of latitude.&#8221;</p>
<p>It certainly does, but the data from the satellite is remapped to a Mercator grid, to eliminate overlapping pixels, and other graphic distortions that hinder the interpretation of the image.</p>
<p>(Mercator: Lines of Latitude are Horizontal, Lines of Longitude are Vertical.)</p>
<p>This is a known and accepted procedure. It is in the literature.</p>
<p>So, it was a doddle to take a Mercator line map of California without text, scale it to the Satellite image, and project it onto the map.</p>
<p><em>&#8220;So now go look at the coast line that sometimes is several KM out of alignment.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>However, it ain&#8217;t a certainty that an ad hoc image is going to project 100%, the twiddly bits may not map, but this is a First Light proof of concept exercise.</p>
<p><em>&#8220;Look at San Fran Bay, NOT ANY INDICATION OF THE EARTH’s curvature.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Mercator removes the Earth&#8217;s curvature, it projects the globe onto a cylinder. I.E. a flat image.</p>
<p>[Snip. Lets not get personal - Jo]</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://joannenova.com.au/2020/02/tuesday-open-thread-5/#comment-2279085</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2020 03:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops.  Zhao Jianping, head of a Hubei containment team has stated that some patients designated as recovered continue to show traces of the virus through nucleic acid tests. He indicated that these people could continue to be contagious.  There were similar results in Canada, where nose and throat swabs taken from a couple who had recovered from Covid-19 revealed they still had traces of the virus.</description>
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		<title>By: Slithers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slithers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2020 02:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not true that boarder runs along a line of latitude. The steps indicate quite clearly that is the Hand of Man whp fiddled with the image.

WHICH is my entire point!

They publish images claiming to be what they are NOT!!!!! So now go look at the coast line that sometimes is several KM out of alignment.

Look at San Fran Bay, NOT ANY INDICATION OF THE EARTH&#039;s curvature.
Like I said if this was a company advert the false advertising authorities would be all over it and them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not true that boarder runs along a line of latitude. The steps indicate quite clearly that is the Hand of Man whp fiddled with the image.</p>
<p>WHICH is my entire point!</p>
<p>They publish images claiming to be what they are NOT!!!!! So now go look at the coast line that sometimes is several KM out of alignment.</p>
<p>Look at San Fran Bay, NOT ANY INDICATION OF THE EARTH&#8217;s curvature.<br />
Like I said if this was a company advert the false advertising authorities would be all over it and them!</p>
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		<title>By: Gee Aye</title>
		<link>http://joannenova.com.au/2020/02/tuesday-open-thread-5/#comment-2278984</link>
		<dc:creator>Gee Aye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Feb 2020 22:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you bothered? Well done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you bothered? Well done.</p>
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		<title>By: Kalm Keith</title>
		<link>http://joannenova.com.au/2020/02/tuesday-open-thread-5/#comment-2278921</link>
		<dc:creator>Kalm Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Feb 2020 20:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is that reality poking its head in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is that reality poking its head in.</p>
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		<title>By: Kalm Keith</title>
		<link>http://joannenova.com.au/2020/02/tuesday-open-thread-5/#comment-2278919</link>
		<dc:creator>Kalm Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Feb 2020 20:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Exactly.

Turbulence?

Well, it&#039;s Turbulent, and keeps heading off in all different directions.

It needs to be observed but it&#039;s relevance to the global warming thing is obscure.

The issue that&#039;s causing us all so much grief is the politicisation of the matter so that someone else can gouge and skim from the public.

There&#039;s no legal status to this activity and no physical basis for the claim that CO2 causes Global Warming.

We are Nominally a Democracy; under this present situation we are nothing but Slaves fighting a nonsense enemy in the form of a harmless gas that is in fact, the Gas of Life.

That&#039;s the issue.

KK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly.</p>
<p>Turbulence?</p>
<p>Well, it&#8217;s Turbulent, and keeps heading off in all different directions.</p>
<p>It needs to be observed but it&#8217;s relevance to the global warming thing is obscure.</p>
<p>The issue that&#8217;s causing us all so much grief is the politicisation of the matter so that someone else can gouge and skim from the public.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no legal status to this activity and no physical basis for the claim that CO2 causes Global Warming.</p>
<p>We are Nominally a Democracy; under this present situation we are nothing but Slaves fighting a nonsense enemy in the form of a harmless gas that is in fact, the Gas of Life.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the issue.</p>
<p>KK</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Streeter</title>
		<link>http://joannenova.com.au/2020/02/tuesday-open-thread-5/#comment-2278853</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Streeter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Feb 2020 18:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had not expected a reply but the weather outside is frightful, so I popped into Jo Nova&#039;s site and peered into the murky corners of the blog.

&lt;em&gt;See my comment above and use Zoom to look at those images.&lt;/em&gt;
Ho hum. That is what I did.

The image is oriented to North South (because that is what the Man on the Clapham Omnibus expects) and a low resolution simple line map of salient features &quot;superimposed&quot; upon it.

The only Horizontal and Vertical Lines are those of the State borders in the top right hand corner. They are not stepped, merely ragged because their lower resolution has been &quot;upscaled&quot; to that of the high resolution image.

The simple line map has stepped borders with Nevada and Mexico. Again a lower resolution image &quot;upscaled&quot; to a high resolution image.

So, a combination of ragged and stepped lines, not quite delineated lakes, coasts, etc. are merely due to combining a low resolution image with a high resolution image.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had not expected a reply but the weather outside is frightful, so I popped into Jo Nova&#8217;s site and peered into the murky corners of the blog.</p>
<p><em>See my comment above and use Zoom to look at those images.</em><br />
Ho hum. That is what I did.</p>
<p>The image is oriented to North South (because that is what the Man on the Clapham Omnibus expects) and a low resolution simple line map of salient features &#8220;superimposed&#8221; upon it.</p>
<p>The only Horizontal and Vertical Lines are those of the State borders in the top right hand corner. They are not stepped, merely ragged because their lower resolution has been &#8220;upscaled&#8221; to that of the high resolution image.</p>
<p>The simple line map has stepped borders with Nevada and Mexico. Again a lower resolution image &#8220;upscaled&#8221; to a high resolution image.</p>
<p>So, a combination of ragged and stepped lines, not quite delineated lakes, coasts, etc. are merely due to combining a low resolution image with a high resolution image.</p>
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		<title>By: yarpos</title>
		<link>http://joannenova.com.au/2020/02/tuesday-open-thread-5/#comment-2278364</link>
		<dc:creator>yarpos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Feb 2020 02:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ACT sits in the middle of the primsrily coal fired NSW grid , which in turn has connections to the primarily coal fired grids in QLD and VIC.  For them to say the are 100% &quot;renewable&quot; on the basis of generation in SA is delusional or disingenuous.</description>
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		<title>By: Gee Aye</title>
		<link>http://joannenova.com.au/2020/02/tuesday-open-thread-5/#comment-2278285</link>
		<dc:creator>Gee Aye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Feb 2020 22:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah... I almost always automatically stick in the e and don&#039;t always edit it out.</description>
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		<title>By: Slithers</title>
		<link>http://joannenova.com.au/2020/02/tuesday-open-thread-5/#comment-2278245</link>
		<dc:creator>Slithers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Feb 2020 20:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is some availability of real time data processing when the satellite is in line of site of the receiver being used. The ATMS instrument along generates 100 Gig of data every 12 hrs which is downloaded to Slavabad in northern Sweden. VERY large super computers are needed to process that data. See my comment above and use Zoom to look at those images.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is some availability of real time data processing when the satellite is in line of site of the receiver being used. The ATMS instrument along generates 100 Gig of data every 12 hrs which is downloaded to Slavabad in northern Sweden. VERY large super computers are needed to process that data. See my comment above and use Zoom to look at those images.</p>
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		<title>By: Slithers</title>
		<link>http://joannenova.com.au/2020/02/tuesday-open-thread-5/#comment-2278244</link>
		<dc:creator>Slithers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Feb 2020 20:34:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was never intended to. Instructions on how to look a what was published to get you the file that you can then look at using &#039;Photo&#039; were given.
My suggestion to look at the Thomas Fire image was to get people to look and then &#039;See&#039; the things that are not &#039;right&#039; with images purporting to be Truthful images of what a satellite can see. If you Look at the other images published in that link there are other anomalies that the general public don&#039;t see or care about.
Satellite data cannot lie, don&#039;t you know!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was never intended to. Instructions on how to look a what was published to get you the file that you can then look at using &#8216;Photo&#8217; were given.<br />
My suggestion to look at the Thomas Fire image was to get people to look and then &#8216;See&#8217; the things that are not &#8216;right&#8217; with images purporting to be Truthful images of what a satellite can see. If you Look at the other images published in that link there are other anomalies that the general public don&#8217;t see or care about.<br />
Satellite data cannot lie, don&#8217;t you know!</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Streeter</title>
		<link>http://joannenova.com.au/2020/02/tuesday-open-thread-5/#comment-2278205</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Streeter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Feb 2020 17:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh! It doesn&#039;t, after all.

This sort of thing could confuse a simple person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh! It doesn&#8217;t, after all.</p>
<p>This sort of thing could confuse a simple person.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Streeter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Streeter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Feb 2020 17:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh! The &lt;strong&gt;Find&lt;/strong&gt; highlight (a search on Angus - posting interrupted) gets carried over into the post itself.

I learn something new each day!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh! The <strong>Find</strong> highlight (a search on Angus &#8211; posting interrupted) gets carried over into the post itself.</p>
<p>I learn something new each day!</p>
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