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    Travis T. Jones

    O/T – ICYMI:

    Senator Malcolm Roberts: How dare you, Michael Mann.

    I used tonight’s adjournment speech to challenge Michael Mann to a debate on climate science.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=304&v=trywf_p-lgs&feature=emb_logo

    My money is on Michael Mann running away. Fast.

    [Commenters - please don't post off topic comments when there are so many open threads. Moved from the corona virus threads. -- Jo]

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      Dennis

      Well done Senator Roberts.

      It’s time for a public debate that should have been conducted before the politicians blindly accepted that the science is settled, and resulting economic vandalism and profiteering.

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      beowulf

      The trouble with Malcolm Roberts is that he is a lousy orator, communicator and scrapper. It isn’t enough to know lots of “stuff”. This is not genteel academic debate: this is gutter warfare. He brings a knife to a gun fight.

      Look at his performance on Q&A when that smirking twit Brian Cox ambushed him with a couple of dodgy graphs and made him look a total stuttering fool, despite Roberts’ expertise in atmospheric gases. He was not remotely prepared with his arguments and not ready for the scrap that Blind Freddy could see coming in enemy ABC territory. Cue Jim Molan with the same naïve unpreparedness. What were they thinking?

      Roberts et al should stay the hell away from Mann and the ABC.

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        hatband

        Stage fright or intentional?

        There’s no percentage for the Government in letting a Galah like Craig Kelly loose on

        Television either, but the Liberal Party still keep on doing it.

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          Annie

          I’d vote for Craig Kelly or Jim Molan any day over a ‘media-savvy’ (crikey, what a horrible term that is :( ) lefty-rude bully, thankyou all the same hatband.

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          AndyG55

          Wow

          Your hatred of anyone conservative and capable of rational thought is hereby noted.

          TDS, KDS, probably ADS…… a true far-leftist !

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          OriginalSteve

          Well, I have labelled the Left as the home of BS….namely because most of what it says you can factually respond by just daying “thats complete BS”….

          Climate change…BS
          PC…BS
          50 different “i identify as a fire hydrant”…BS

          The list goes on……

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            OriginalSteve

            It was only a matter of time….

            https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/we-saw-this-coming-for-years-farmers-take-legal-action-after-fires-20200206-p53ygl.html

            “Six farmers are preparing to take legal action against the state government, arguing a massive bushfire in northern NSW could have been prevented if more hazard reduction had been allowed.

            “In what could be the first class action after this summer’s horror bushfire season, graziers hit by the August blaze in the Guy Fawkes National Park, west of Coffs Harbour, say it was “a disaster waiting to happen”.

            “Beef farmer Tony Brazier, who lives just outside Guyra, said fuel loads in the park had been allowed to reach dangerous levels because “everyone is too scared to burn anything”.

            “”I could see that the trouble was building for a number of years, it was just too dangerous and so this was always going to happen,” Mr Brazier, who runs about 600 head of Angus beef cattle, said.

            “Mr Brazier said since cattle had been prohibited from grazing in national parks, the fire threat had increased significantly resulting in a firestorm that tore through the park.
            “But the big problem is that there was just no burning, everyone is too scared to burn anything because they think they will end up in jail,” he said.

            “The Bees Nest fire started on August 30 and turned into the first mega fire of the season, eventually burning all the way to Coffs Harbour.

            “”We have to have more say in the future management of the park, we need manageable fire breaks and there needs to be more talk with local landholders,” Mr Brazier said.

            “He said his business would take years to recover, after losing kilometres of fencing as well as land that was critical for grazing.


            “The lawyer representing the farmers, Peter Jackson, said some graziers were seeking compensation while others wanted to see significant changes made to land clearing policies.

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            AndyG55

            ““i identify as a fire hydrant”

            OK, until they meet someone who identifies as a male dog !

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          el gordo

          Mr Hat, Kelly is a free agent and doesn’t have Morrison’s blessing. More to the point, the PM is a consummate politician and was integral in keeping the Nats leader in place. Andrew Gee had the PM’s ear and did well out of the reshuffle, these guys play hardball.

          Barnaby and Canavan have been outmanoeuvred, leaving them little option but to threaten the PM that our splinter group has the power to block anything we disagree with.

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            hatband

            Kelly is not a”Free Agent”.

            Without Liberal Preselection, he’s nothing.

            His job is to go out there into the Media and act the goat,

            in so doing Blackwashing anyone who disagrees with the Manufactured Media

            Consensus about Coal Power, Emissions Reduction, whatever.

            Anyone supporting him, Jim Molan, Barnaby Joyce, are either sadly misinformed,

            or Useful Idiots.

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              el gordo

              ‘Without Liberal Preselection, he’s nothing.’

              The PM intervened to save him on that occasion because it would have been folly to do otherwise.

              ‘His job is to go out there into the Media and act the goat,’

              Funny perspective, do you still believe CO2 causes global warming?

              ‘Anyone supporting him, Jim Molan, Barnaby Joyce, are either sadly misinformed, or Useful Idiots.’

              You are the one misinformed by a compliant media, human induced global warming is a big lie.

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        scaper...

        Not the Malcolm I know. Your analogy sucks. More like being out-numbered and denied the opportunity to respond. Malcolm is more than capable to hold his own in a debate. The problem being…not one person over the years has accepted his challenge to a debate.

        I remember years ago he challenged Larissa Walters and she accepted. After she refused because she knows that Malcolm would have carved her up.

        I have only seen one proper debate and the warmist side lost.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wBDR-5ltVI

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        toorightmate

        Beowulf,
        Agree.
        I agree with everything Roberts has to say regarding “”"climate change”"”.
        Bur he portraits it abysmally.
        Malcolm once had the opportunity to develop a world class coal mine – HE FAILED DISMALLY.
        This must have been a major disappointment to his parents who were beautiful people.

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          Kalm Keith

          Heard him speak in question time a day or so back.

          Talked about Michael Mann, he got all the facts but his presentation was halting and would have been almost incoherent to someone who wasn’t up on the topic.

          KK

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            beowulf

            Exactly. He doesn’t even have to be under pressure for the wheels to fall off his presentation. Public speaking is just not his thing.

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              el gordo

              Roberts is not articulate, we need someone who not only knows reality but has also discovered a way to present it. We are up against a whimsical Michael Mann, so we’ll need to keep our wits.

              ‘Discussing whether climate crisis was human-induced, Molan uttered the line of the night: “I’m not relying on evidence”, to which climate scientist Michael Mann replied: “You should keep an open mind but not so open that your brain falls out.

              “When it comes to this issue and human-caused climate change, it’s literally the consensus of the world’s scientists that it’s caused by human activity. Now you sometimes hear the talking points from contrarians from the Murdoch media.”

              Guardian

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                C’mon.Methinks we are getting fussy. If there were 76 Malcolm Roberts in the Senate the country would be far better off. He did a great job to get reelected, and he knows more about climate science than any other senator.

                Look at this list, and skeptics are picking flaws in which one….?
                NSW
                Andrew Bragg Concetta Fierravanti-Wells Hollie Hughes Jim Molan Marise Payne Vic
                Sarah Henderson Jane Hume James Paterson Scott Ryan David Van Qld
                James McGrath Gerard Rennick Paul Scarr Amanda Stoker WA
                Slade Brockman Michaelia Cash Mathias Cormann Matt O’Sullivan Linda Reynolds Dean Smith SA
                Alex Antic Simon Birmingham David Fawcett Andrew McLachlan Anne Ruston Tas
                Eric Abetz Wendy Askew Claire Chandler Richard Colbeck Jonathon Duniam ACT
                Zed Seselja

                National* (5)

                NSW
                Perin Davey Vic
                Bridget McKenzie Qld
                Matt Canavan Susan McDonald NT
                Sam McMahon

                Labor (26)

                NSW
                Tim Ayres Kristina Keneally Jenny McAllister Deborah O’Neill Tony Sheldon Vic
                Kim Carr Raff Ciccone Kimberley Kitching Jess Walsh Qld
                Anthony Chisholm Nita Green Murray Watt WA
                Pat Dodson Sue Lines Louise Pratt Glenn Sterle SA
                Don Farrell Alex Gallacher Marielle Smith Penny Wong Tas
                Catryna Bilyk Carol Brown Helen Polley Anne Urquhart ACT
                Katy Gallagher NT
                Malarndirri McCarthy

                Greens (9)

                NSW
                Mehreen Faruqi Vic
                Richard Di Natale Janet Rice Qld
                Larissa Waters WA
                Rachel Siewert Jordon Steele-John SA
                Sarah Hanson-Young Tas
                Nick McKim Peter Whish-Wilson

                One Nation (2)

                Qld
                Pauline Hanson Malcolm Roberts

                Centre Alliance (2)

                SA
                Stirling Griff Rex Patrick

                Lambie (1)

                Tas
                Jacqui Lambie

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          el gordo

          Malcolm should avoid the ABC.

          The Royal Commission might call Michael Mann for his opinion on climate change and the bushfires, what questions could we put to him?

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        Deplorable Lord Kek

        The trouble with Malcolm Roberts is that he is a lousy orator, communicator and scrapper

        Actually, Roberts did fine in the circumstances.

        Tony Jones was completely in awe of Brian Cox: ‘you are questioning the interpretation of a highly qualified scientist, Malcolm? How dare you!’

        The other problem was that Cox produced a hockey stick graph and Roberts rightly pointed out that the past has been cooled and the present warmed, which Cox and Jones and the audience just laughed at [that's the context of the Jones line above].

        If Roberts had been given warning that graph was going to be produced then he could have produced the evidence to rebut it.

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          Graeme Bird

          There isn’t a single stupid mainstream idea that Brian Cox doesn’t believe with total childish faith. Its not the belief itself that bugs me about people like Brian. Its just that guileless nothing-to-see-here mindlessness, and hard core lack of curiosity.

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          beowulf

          DLK
          Who or what are you quoting?

          And if Roberts’ auntie had thingoes she’d be his uncle, but she hasn’t and she isn’t.

          So if he was properly prepared and a decent orator, he could have done better? Agreed, but where did he think he was going, Q&A or a CWA meeting? Did he not anticipate any greenie questions and stunts and push-backs?

          He was UNPREPARED and a poor orator as I stated above. He should stay away from the ABC. BTW I respect Roberts, but he is no speaker.

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            Deplorable Lord Kek

            i’m quoting myself, apparently (formatting error).

            if someone pulls out a specific bit of evidence then there is no way for you to have the specific evidence on hand to rebut it in a tv show format unless you are forewarned.

            I’m not saying he should not have chosen his words better.

            For instance he said the data is ‘corrupt’.

            it would be better to say that there is a huge measurement problems for determining ‘global temperature’.

            then you would probably say something about throwing a bucket over the side of a boat to measure the water temperature, or thermometers placed next to an airport.

            that response would have prompted the argumetum ad verecundiam from Tony Jones: “So, you are questioning the interpretation of a highly qualified scientist, Malcolm? How dare you.”

            then you could attack the expert.

            on the other hand, it’s all very well to articulate responses from your own lounge room.

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              Kalm Keith

              Hi Kek,

              He does say the right things.

              I don’t think anyone would argue with that.

              The problem is that as a Public speaker he is hesitant and flustered in his presentation and that leaves an audience confused about the message.

              The once great ABC is gone along with the once great CSIRO and our once, world class education system.

              Recovery is not going to be easy.

              KK

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                John

                The greater problem is he‘s very fringe. He’s one nation which is fringe 5% to start with. Then there’s all that conspiracy stuff. The weird letter to Julia Gillard. And so when he starts up about climate people just lump it all in together and ignore him. I did for years.

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          WXcycles

          I don’t know who Brian Cox is!

          Do I win?

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        glen Michel

        Good advice Beowulf. The platform is not there. Roberts would be ineffective. His foray into QandA was a debacle. Get Jo into the fray.

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          John

          I doubt they’d let someone like Jo on. She’d be too effective.

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            Speedy

            Now THAT’s a Q&A I’d watch – if I couldn’t get into the audience. Perhaps I could say I voted conservative? That seems to work.
            Cheers,

            Mike

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            They asked me three times, years ago. I said no. I had small children, it would take two days from Perth, and they wouldn’t ask me on a show about climate change. So I declined the opportunity to be quizzed in a hostile way about unrelated topics. Set up was obvious.

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        John

        Agree Beowolf. Roberts isn’t a good spokesman.

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        David-of-Cooyal-in-Oz

        I must have missed all those great parliamentary orators speaking brilliantly against the scamming Mann.
        I congratulate Senator Roberts for his speech and his challenge.
        And have you observed the great coverage he received in the SMH and ABC? I’d give you a link if there was one to be found.
        Cheers
        Dave B

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    Sambar

    Here in Victoriastan our dear Leader, Premier Dan, is withholding maps of forest fuel loads. His reason, why let arsonists know where the most dangerous fires could be lit.
    A couple of points to note:–
    1/ Apparently the “public” do not need to know if they are living in or near a potentially catastrophic bushfire area.
    2/Apparently arsonists cause bushfires, not the dreaded Carbon Dioxide.

    I am so pleased that Dan has everyones best interests at heart.

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    RickWill

    I have a keen interest in the annual variation in the total precipitable water and have interesting positive correlation between TPW and outgoing long wave radiation – more atmospheric water results in more OLR – opposite of greenhouse gas theory.

    One of my more interesting observations is the performance of climate models on forecasting TPW. The model data available to me do not actually have the TPW but the do provide a monthly value for precipitation minus evaporation. So by integrating the difference over time and reversing the sign it is possible to determine the TPW with time.

    This is the CMIP5 all model mean for RCP8.5:
    http://climexp.knmi.nl/data/icmip5_pme_Amon_modmean_rcp45to85_0-360E_-90-90N_n_+++_2000:2020.png
    Note where the zero line is located. You can imagine what happens when this is integrated. In fact the result over this century to date is that the precipitable water reaches an impossible minus 60mm because the precipitation far outweighs the evaporation.

    I thought it worthwhile seeing if any of the models got a better result. This is 10 runs of the CSIRO Mk3-6 model:
    http://climexp.knmi.nl/data/icmip5_pme_Amon_CSIRO-Mk3-6-0_rcp85_0-360E_-90-90N_n_+++_2000:2020.png
    I have not bother to integrate but eyeballing the axis it appears that there is a close balance.

    I knew climate models are nonsense but this result demonstrates a fundamental flaw. There are all sorts of papers written on the impacts of increased or reduced precipitation and increased or reduced evaporation that the models produced; simply nonsense based on nonsense.

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      Lionell Griffith

      On mathematical models of anything.

      They are exactly and only that: models. They cannot possible include all the behaviors of the thing modeled simply because they are models and not the thing modeled. To have all the behaviors of the thing modeled, it would have to BE the thing modeled and not just simply be a model of it.

      The bottom line is all models are wrong in many subtle and not so subtle ways. It is impossible for them to be otherwise. Some are better than others but they ALL miss the mark of being the real thing. Rely on them if you must but understand, they are all irretrievably wrong!

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      WXcycles

      Rick, the highest observed global daily (i.e. previous day) OLR anomalies correlate well with the driest columns of air within the tropopause, within ECMWF’s prior 6-hour freeze of its initiating observations.

      The highest OLR anomalies more-or-less mirror the 0.0% to 2.0% RH range that I’ve highlighted within recent weeks. Thus the highest OLR anomalies associate with the thickest columns of the ultra-low humidity air.

      The OLR anomalies are highest where RH is shown to be the lowest, which is the opposite of your presumption.

      This is especially pronounced where the atmosphere is both the densest and the driest, i.e. at the lowest tropospheric levels where the ultra-low relative humidity air has fallen to very low altitudes, and thus displaced the usual water content present in the tropics and subtropics.

      The lowest altitudes at the lowest latitudes is where most of the troposphere’s water is dynamically stored, so if you displace that normally very wet air with a sunken column of ultra-dry air at less than 2% RH, the resulting OLR anomalies go towards ~280 Wm2.

      Which means water vapor is a GHG.

      Your assumption is falsified.

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        RickWill

        The OLR anomalies are highest where RH is shown to be the lowest, which is the opposite of your presumption.

        I am not making any presumption. I am using global satellite data for each month, not some specific case over a dessert. Globally, TPW and OLR are POSITIVELY correlated. Reality contradicts the “greenhouse gas” fairy tale.

        The global average surface temperature on Earth is primarily a function of the distribution and connectedness of the surface water not the “greenhouse effect”.

        Without connected oceans covering a wide range of latitudes, Earth would be a barren rock like its moon with an area averaged surface temperature around 200K.

        Also RH IS NOT TPW. The RH rises and falls on a daily basis but TPW is relatively constant on a daily basis.

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          WXcycles

          Highest observed daily OLR anomalies coincide with where RH in the tropospheric air column is at the lowest values. When the densest part of the lower troposphere from 24 k ft down to as low as 2.5 k ft has air between 0.0% to 2.0% rh within it at midnight within observations, it implies TPW within that air mass is exceptionally low. Yet this condition coincides with the areas of highest OLR anomaly.

          Which could not be more inconsistent with your conclusion but is consistent with water vapor being a strong GHG.

          The green line shown in this graph is the IR absorption spectrum of atmospheric water vapor, which explains why OLR anomalies occur where rh in the lower troposphere is at extraordinarily low levels:

          https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/Water_infrared_absorption_coefficient_large.gif

          Blue = H2O ice
          Red= H2O liquid
          Green = H2O vapor

          Thus water does inhibit OLR escape so is acting as a greenhouse molecule, and the rh mapping and OLR anomaly mapping coinciding, as they do, is consistent with H2O vapor being a strong greenhouse gas molecule.

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    toorightmate

    In Brisbane at the moment, it is p*ssing down.
    The old adage – “At the end of every drought there is a good rain” (wise old bush saying).

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      yarpos

      4 days of biblical rain forecast for sydney this weekend, 50 -100 mm rach day

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          yarpos

          well p*ssing down had been used and I try to not be repetitive

          in French they have phrase for the sma thing that goes “p*ss like a cow” always seemed a bit inelegant in such a nice sounding language.

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            Annie

            That’s very descriptive though! I still marvel at the length and strength of output by cattle!
            I love it when our little weather station screen comes up with ‘It’s raining cats ‘n dogs’, however, not seen yesterday with the thunderstorm. We had only 0.2mm, despite having felt hopeful with the BOM radar showing nice big juicy red areas for the storm. Instead, a fire not too far away; dry lightning oresumably. Will check its status again soon; there was no update earlier.

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            Another Ian

            How about ”

            Peeing like a cow on a flat rock”?

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        John

        And I just filled up the pool! Doh!

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        Bill In Oz

        Not biblical rai !
        just Mother Nature hard at work !
        However definitely unforeseen by the BOM
        So very BOM’ical !

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          hatband

          The BOM predicted 4 days of rain in Brisbane this week.

          Rain has just stopped an hour ago, after being continuous since 3 a.m. Thursday

          morning, and the Butterflies are now out in force.

          Weekend to be muggy.

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        hatband

        Sorry cobber.

        The Flood of Noah was caused by 40 solid days of non stop rain.

        The water didn’t start to go down until 12 months later.

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          el gordo

          The story originated from people living around the Black Sea, who were inundated by seawater, nevertheless its fair to say that there was a universal flood at the time of the Holocene climate max. The 40 days of rain is probably just a myth.

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    I want you to look at some electrical data, and I know I concentrate a lot on this, but it is interesting because what it shows is that we just cannot do without coal fired power, no matter what we are being told.

    As I mentioned, last Friday was the day of the largest power consumption for one day in the Country’s history. This week, it’s pretty much back to normal for Summer week days, so I’ll compare last Friday with yesterday Wednesday, only five days apart.

    What I am going to show you here after I detail the overall totals is just the generated power from power plants, because while rooftop solar only makes up a little less than 5% of all power, even that’s a bit of guess, because it is not actually being ‘metered’, in other words accurately counted, whereas power plant power is absolutely exact, and keep in mind here that this is 95% of all power being consumed.

    The total power consumed last Friday was 727GWH, and on Wednesday (yesterday) it was 553GWH, a whopping 24% less total power consumed across the day, when weekday comparison variations are usually around 5% maximum. Friday’s total is at an hourly average of 30231MW. (That’s an average closer to what a large (ish) Summer peak is.) The average for Wednesday was 23041MW so that’s 7000MW lower and that’s not the peak, just the AVERAGE per hour.

    Okay then, power plant power at the evening peak on Friday was generating 35145MW and on Wednesday that evening peak power plant generation was 24407MW, so here we have a difference of (almost) 11000MW, and all of that power has to be generated by power plants only, and nearly all of that extra had to come from gas fired power.

    Now look at the numbers for coal fired power and I’ll keep them pretty much together here for the sake of comparison.

    Friday – Max was 18976MW. Average was 17731MW. Percentage of supply across the day – 58%.
    Wednesday – Max was 18231MW Average was 16033MW. Percentage of supply across the day – 69.5%

    Note here that the maximum was only 660MW different. On the Friday, those coal fired Units ramped up at the usual morning peak, and just stayed there across the remainder of that big day, hence the difference in the average, but still only 1700MW difference. Because that overall average was so high on Friday, you can see that the percentage supply was almost 12% lower.

    Only four out of 48 Units were off line on both days. That of itself goes against the meme that you cannot trust those coal fired Units in hot weather. They worked and they worked well, and without them, Australia would have just stopped.

    They are all we have when huge amounts of power are required. There just is NO substitute, either in the short term or in the long term. We need all of them, and it’s at the stage now where some of them actually need to be replaced.

    Until the real truth gets out there, people will blissfully think they can just be turned off.

    That just cannot be allowed to happen.

    Tony.

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      Robber

      Tony, to further explain your logic, consider the implications of a grid that requires 50% of power to be supplied by wind generators on average.
      – Average demand on the AEMO grid 24,000 MW
      – Wind to supply 50% of demand on average = 12,000 MW
      – Wind nameplate capacity required 40,000 MW (at 30% capacity factor)
      – Number of windmills required 13,333 (3 MW turbine on each tower)
      – Estimated cost @ $6 million each $80 billion

      Note that on occasion with strong winds, those wind generators could supply the total demand of 24,000 MW (60% capacity factor) but that would be a very unstable grid unable to deliver constant frequency. On other occasions with very little wind, reliable generators must be available to supply the total demand of 24,000 MW (and meet the peak summer demand of 34,000 MW). If those generators can be run with 80% reliability, then capacity required is 42,000 MW. Hydro and gas provide that extra peaking capacity.
      Therefore, to supply a grid with 50% wind requires 40,000 MW of wind capacity and 42,000 MW of reliable generators.
      The windmills could be destroyed and demand could still be satisfied.
      What a useless investment.

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        Chad

        What a useless investment.

        Sorry robber, but you are wrong on that…
        They may be useless from a grid generation viewpoint, but Wind and Solar are very smart “investments” for those owning/operating them !
        Try to see it from the generators/investors point of view….
        They are relatively low value ( <$500m)…
        “off the shelf” technology and components..
        Quick to install and start operating,..( fast returns on investment)
        Guaranteed market to supply to..
        And a Very high operating income margin boosted by subsidiies, LGC, etc
        No fuel supply issues or cost variables to factor in
        With total Political/popular support. !!

        Compare those factors to the option of investing in coal , gas, or Nuclear !..
        As an “investor” ..or any straight thinking businessman, where would you spend your money !

        Its all wrong from a public utility/value, cost of electricity, or even common sense , point of view, but the playing field is totally skewed to the RE sector from a financial decision point of view.
        This would not happen in a public owned utility.

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          Chad

          I should add the obvious points..
          These “investors” are not concerned with if they can supply enough power to satisfy demand ( infact supply shortfalls generate higher wholesale pricing ), and they really are not interested in the cost of satisfying political targets, though even an $80bn potential would not be a deterent to them…it is possibly even a tempting oportunity, at the least letting them know that there is much more potential for investment available !

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        Yes, for every MW of wind generating capacity there has to be some other capacity that can be counted on to run when the wind is not strong enough. That is a big part of the cost of wind that is simply ignored. The math is trivial.

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      yarpos

      I think only a few extreme fringe dwellers think they can just be “turned off”

      They could be replaced by gas or nuclear generation though. We dont actually need coal power, we need reliable, controllable power.

      In the absence of any political will to do otherwise, coal it is given the current state of “renewables” as you regularly demonstrate.

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        WXcycles

        We don’t actually need coal power, we need reliable, controllable power.

        Yes, but we need reliable, controllable economically affordable power, which describes the coal powered generators which have already paid-off and continue to provide cheap affordable electrical power generation.

        The greens don’t actually care about coal, they know it can’t be stopped, but they do want to eliminate “cheap and economically affordable“. They want us even more noncompetitive, as their actual goal is maximum economic damage and economic suppression or Australia, to create recession that turns into debt and “the socialist depression we had to have“.

        Their anti-coal blah-blah is just the wedge to get them to the next stage of authoritarian proto-communism, based on lies and endless fear-campaigns directed at the young. Any lie will do.

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    Crakar24

    SA has decided not to tell anyone they are testing people for beer virus because from now on they will test everyone. They are as cunning as a $hit house rat.

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    Crakar24

    Lambie is in parliament arguing for better suicidd prevention for the ADF, 3 members in the Wing i work for killed themselves over xmas, all male, all screwed over by the family courts

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    Antoine D’Arche

    So. BJ has announced an end to ICE by 2030 or some sh!te. My numnuts friend has called for the same here.
    Has anyone calculated the fleet EV power requirements for Australia?

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      OriginalSteve

      No but the country would stop without diesel trucks and diesel locos…or electric locos powered by coal.

      Maybe we should just let oz collapse, then when the greenists and warmists will get lynched by angry mobs as part of inevirable blame aportionment, then we can get back to the quiet life we were trying to live before the lunatic occult greenists showed up…

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        yarpos

        Its all cool because Teslas truck is going to “disrupt” the industry. I know its true because Elon said and its all over the Youtube fanboy channels.

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        hatband

        Maybe we should just let oz collapse, then when the greenists and warmists will get lynched by angry mobs as part of inevirable blame aportionment,

        Up to your old trick again of Blackwashing Aussies as violent vigilantes?

        The facts are that no angry mobs have ever lynched \

        anyone in Australia despite unrelenting hard times up until about 1950,

        and nothing is going to change that.

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      william x

      A D’A, Your friend wants to ban ICE by 2030 to save the planet from CO2 emissions. Seems committed to that.

      The inconvenient truth is that EVs are also not carbon neutral.

      In manufacture, mining, construction, materials and supporting infrastructure the CO2 emissions are still there.

      If your friend believes the planet needs to be saved from any AGW CO2 emissions via transport, then the most effective way imho, is that your friend needs to shun both ICE and EVs and start practicing in how to walk long distances.

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      greggg

      Coal powered electric vehicles do definitely not decrease CO2 emissions, but do they if they are recharged from gas and wind farms? Wind farms backed up by gas produce more emissions than gas alone. A couple of analyses have found 30-32% efficiency from wind farms is required to break even and if the average Australian windfarm has efficiency of 27% then a vehicle running on the same gas would produce less CO2 emissions. But LPG produces about 15% more CO2 than natural gas used for electricity generation but LPG powered vehicles don’t have 5% transmission losses and 20-30% battery charging losses. How clean are gas electricity generators vs gas car engines? The comparisons done compare different fuels for electricity generation or vehicle engines and not electricity generators vs vehicle engines. LPG vehicle engines produce 11% less CO2 than petrol, so maybe petrol engine CO2 emissions are similar to electric vehicle CO2 emissions recharged from wind backed up by gas? How do emissions from solar backed up by gas compare? There needs to be thorough analysis done, as electric cars may not achieve any reduction in CO2 (not that higher CO2 matters). There is no need whatsoever for electric vehicles except in polluted cities. It would make more sense (if a believer in the warmist religion) to push natural gas powered vehicles, unless government is prepared to go full nuclear power generation. Otherwise virtue signalling electric toy car owners should walk the talk and go off grid with no backup generator to charge their cars.

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    Crakar24

    Hi jo,

    Yes it was poorly written a bit cryptic but the poor grammer made it impossible to read lol.

    Lets try again, Pelosi is obviously unhinged much like some female greens senators i known. Unfortunately for the USA pelosi is two untimely deaths away from being president unlike the green politicians.

    Sorry for the confusion, by the why found some old emails today one is from 2011 when you gave that virtual bottle of grange. Do you still hand them out when you reach comment milestones?

    Cheers

    Crakar

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      I meself think we denizens should hand one out to Jo! Not virtual but real when a milestone comes around.)

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      Graeme No.3

      Crakar:

      If we are off the topic, I can say after the last 2 days that the NBN was designed by the public service i.e. so named but no service.
      I have spent the better part of 2 days trying to switch to the NBN. Couldn’t fault the supplier iiNet who had the necessary equipment and instructions to me in 2 days. I spent about 4 hours on/off with their technical people trying to start what should have been easy. I must say they were very patient but they couldn’t get it to work. I am down for a fault service call a.s.a.p. (I am operating via an iphone hot spot).
      So I have been drowning my sorrows with Yalumba Bush Vines Grenache 2018. Very pleasant although different to the many vintages I have had of the same in the last 20? years, lighter, more fragrant and definitely reflecting the switch in South Australia to a light-medium style. For those interested (3%?) there has been a move in S.A. away from GSM to lighter (or a least lower tannin styles). Bethany won best red in 2016 in the Barossa with a grenache, last year the Bushing Prize (in McLaren Vale) went to a Nero d’Avola. I recently got some straight Cinsault from there (think Beaujolais at half the price), along with a few Little Giant Grenache (don’t ask, sold out I was told). The days of huge reds have passed, and the French will have more to worry about than Brexit.

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      Sorry the virtual Grange is still somewhere in my office. I need a compass…

      Missed the 600,000 comment around NEw Year. Too many comments, it just sped right past. Was mayhem.

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    el gordo

    ‘Former Nationals leader Barnaby Joyce has warned Scott Morrison that the failure to put any of his supporters into the ministry has created a Nationals rebel group in the House of Representatives capable of blocking Coalition legislation.

    ‘Nationals disunity over ­Michael McCormack’s leadership and the party’s direction is threatening the stability of the Coalition and the ability of the Prime Minister to implement his agenda.’ Oz

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    Richard Ilfeld

    An objective look at the climate crisis: absent any consideration of science.

    The Climate Crisis has been a massive win for the left, on an international basis. What issue have they ridden to power &
    wealth internationally with better results for themselves, ever?

    The class struggle as in workers of the world unite? Nope;
    Overpopulation? Nope;
    Resource starvation? Nope;
    Peace in our time? Nope;
    The United Nations (Ta! Da!)…well nope, but its a contender; Finances go to a pretty narrow group of international leeches, though.
    Racism? Maybe, but mostly in the US, and the “beneficiaries are getting restless”….racist runners promise benefits now, 100 years out is much easier.

    Lets face it, almost nothing can beat rewarding your buddies with massive public works energy projects, typically sucking in millons (and in some cases billions),
    getting essentially tax subsidies in the form of mandated rate increases, and going bankrupt with no clawback or even audit of where the money went.
    You gain a veritable gusher of grant money, for the simple price of a little pandering the in the executive summary of your speech.
    You can make predictions, and your friends control the models that the media will claim verify your predictions — heck, you get to claim political benefit from bad weather.
    You really can’t be held accountable…the real danger is always beyund the horizon of your term in office (or lifetime for that matter).
    In fact, since “carbon” has been “reduced” here and there, of the real data changes all you have to do is claim success and take credit.
    No reality or accountability need ever intrude upon your narrative; and your violent extremism has few individual human targets to fight mback
    (Steyn v Mann is a very rare exception).

    There has never in history been a better issue for leftists with parasitic tendencies or power needs; high reward potential with almost no risk of
    being held personally accountable. Even pursuing policies that are the direct cause of devastating fires can be deflected and personal responsibility avoided.

    That’s why even most “environmentalists” shun the green new deal. You want to bleed the economy, not kill it. “Green” is the biggest hidden tax the production have ever paid to the leftist leeches, some even being convined while paying that they are doing good.

    At this point, there is a lot more blood money that can be wrung out of the energy hoax, even if government policy overall turns 180 degrees to repair the major damage.
    OZ fixing the energy grid won’t stop the flow of “research funds”and the allocation of capital for “new experiments”. Taxpayers will simply have to pay double.

    What a deal.

    The “Climate Change Crisis” has become as disconnected from the climate as “Civil Rights” has from civil rights.

    Skeptics may wish to spend less time arguing the “science” and more time following the money.

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      TdeF

      In the last two years there has been no discussion of science. The left moved on without debate or winning a single argument or getting a single prediction right. The brainwashing is over. Sea levels are rising rapidly. Polar bears are dying. Bush fires are Climate Change. And Boris Johnson is banning fossil fuel cars. Man made Climate Change is now absolute truth for politicians, except Donald Trump.

      At the root of this is the fantasy that CO2 levels are a direct result of car engines. No one ever tried to prove this and to my amazement, most scientists accept this absurd presumption and go on to discuss their pet warming topic.

      However if it was popularly known that CO2 is quickly absorbed by the oceans, it all would be over. Who is brave enough to say it? I have never heard this from anyone.

      You see if CO2 is not controllable, warming is outside our ability to control. And for most humans, warming is a good thing. And a warmer planet has more atmospheric CO2 anyway, which is itself highly desirable.

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        TdeF

        And by way of proof, consider this innocent ANSTO statement . “the atmospheric 14CO2 level is now approaching its natural prebomb value”.

        This means that all the C14 tagged CO2 in the atmosphere in 1965 has vanished in 55 years. How? Only 6% left, 1/16th would mean a half life of around one fourth of 55 years or 14 years. 1/2×1/2×1/2×1/2. C14 cannot be destroyed. It has a half life of 5400 years, so where has it all gone? How can it leave the biosphere or air and plants and people?

        Worse, it has not gone down to 2/3 of the 1800 level, but to it’s ‘natural’ level which was provably 2.1% human and 98% natural.

        We have simple absolute and global proof that CO2 levels are natural. It was an accidental effect of doubling C14 in 1965. Scientists are absolutely certain that CO2 levels are not man made. Even ANSTO. But nothing is said.

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          Another Ian

          TdeF

          In comments at the link in #8.2.1 there is a mention of C14 showing up in deep trench material – might be of interest

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          It is called the carbon cycle and it is no secret. Atmospheric CO2 is about 800 billion tons of carbon (sorry but it is always measured as carbon, not CO2). Natural emissions are about 200 billion tons a year, as are natural removals (half to ocean and half to biosphere, more or less). So the average atmospheric dwell time of a CO2 molecule is less than 3 years. This is called the CO2 flux.

          My understanding is that C14 is slower to go because plants do not care for it.

          The big point is that the CO2 increase is not composed of a buildup of our emissions, because our molecules flux with the rest. The claim is that our emissions cause the increase, not that they compose the increase. There is huge public confusion over this.

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    Raven


    Double the price of petrol?
    Better hold off on that Tesla, then.

    IONITY, Europe’s network for high-power-charging of electric vehicles, announced it will raise its charging prices by over 500 percent effective January 31, 2020. At that price, it will be three times more expensive than a Tesla supercharger in Europe, which average €0.25 ($0.28) per kilowatt-hour, and more than double the price of gasoline there.

    https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/international-issues/europes-electric-vehicle-charging-prices-to-increase-substantially/?fbclid=IwAR0MdMONwBII-JEacr0uSlVbUEOXhQuswveERoE65_WBOgkqz9a7nnrP7P4

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    PeterS

    The climate change frenzy is not widespread as so many believe. Asian nations, India and Russia who make up a large proportion of the world’s population are not having a bar of the crap being pushed down the throats of most Westerners by the left. Even in the US and UK the crap is only just being tolerated and renewables are only given a token gesture while nuclear is the real power source. Take away nuclear from them and Europe and their economies would collapse. That leaves Australia and smaller nations like NZ where nuclear is banned on their own placing us out on a limb to rely on renewables to reduce our emissions to as close to 0 as possible. I can only guess such nations are somehow special and we must save the world from a mythical catastrophic global warming future on our own. I am not sure how long that sort of insanity will last before the penny finally drops and we decide to join what much of the rest of the world is already doing and use nuclear and stop the mad rush to renewables. Alternatively we could just join nations like China and India and thumb our noses to the renewables push and just use more coal. Either way I don’t give a damn. We need a true leader to get on with the job of saving Australia from economic suicide or else we better start learning a Chinese language.

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      TdeF

      ” to reduce our emissions to as close to 0 as possible.”

      This is the fr*ud. Not to measure total CO2 but a manufactured evil thing like ‘emissions’ which sounds like Industrial Pollution.
      This not only now includes the breathing of 7 billion people but also includes methane from cows. In fact these evil ‘emissions’ are friendly, normal and necessary and the atmosphere is entirely under the control of the vast oceans which cover the planet to an average depth of 3.5km, even Antarctica.

      The Americans alone have put men on the moon and some people have reached both poles and even climbed Everest but the fact is we humans are insignificant. We are learning to fight viral pandemics but we actually control nothing. At best governments can stop things.

      Man made CO2 levels is only a concern in Western Democracies. No one else believes a word of it and even if they did, could care less. There is nothing wrong. Not one prediction of imminent disaster has come true in 32 years.

      Consider this list from 2014.

      One has been taken down by the BBC. The predicted weather report for 2020. Perhaps someone can find the BBC weather prediction from 23 September 2014? The BBC says it has been ‘archived’.

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        PeterS

        There is a deep underlying reason why so many Western politicians are so hooked up on the climate change madness. I won’t go into it in detail here for obvious reasons. Suffice to say we in the West live in a type of democracy that gives the power to the people to vote out nation destroying political parties, such as the ALP+Greens. So far it has worked very well in the US. Not so good here in Australia since the LNP has let us down by staying somewhat focused on reducing emissions albeit not as much as the ALP+Greens. Still in the end it makes little difference. The end result is the same if we keep going down that road. I can only hope at the next federal election enough voters wake up and support a third party that will rattle into action whoever forms government to stop the madness of focusing on reducing our emissions so much and so hard using the worst kind of technology known, namely renewables. If we are serious about reducing our emissions we must go nuclear. Otherwise, let’s stop the pretence and go more coal. Either way I don’t give a damn.

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          Kalm Keith

          Peter and TdeF at #13.

          Important comments that we must continue to support and emphasise.

          For a civilization that has had the drive and intelligence to send man to the moon and back the current state of Western Civilisation is weird.

          Mr. Mesmer would probably not be surprised though and the image that springs to mind is of a chicken being laid on a block with a straight chalk line to hold its focus before the inevitable.

          What’s the difference between a mesmerized chicken and a human believer in CO2 induced Climate Change and global incineration.

          Not much apparently.

          KK

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      el gordo

      ‘ … to reduce our emissions to as close to 0 as possible.’

      That is a lukewarm response, the electorate cannot decide on this issue until they know the truth about climate change.

      The nuclear option is up for debate, there is an MP pushing the idea and getting a bit of coverage, but the economics don’t stack up. Queensland wants a new coal fired power station, we could do a cross comparison for the sake of due diligence.

      Mass delusion is the biggest obstacle to progress, so we need the MSM to face the reality that CO2 doesn’t cause global warming.

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        PeterS

        The MSM also has to face the reality that only about 3% of all CO2 is man-made; the rest being natural and there is nothing we can do about it. To think that 3% of 0.04% of a particular gas in the atmosphere is the cause of some catastrophic global warming is not only total fantasy but insane. So insane in fact it’s a wonder how anyone could even really believe it. Yet so many do. Mass delusion is a good way of describing it, caused by the lazy attitude of too many people not willing to use their own mind to think rather than act like some mindless robot pretend the MSM. politicians and the scientific community are telling the truth. The real reality is they tell lies.

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          el gordo

          Yep, but in the meantime we can focus on nuclear energy.

          ‘The high cost of constructing plants has made it difficult for nuclear power to compete with other energy options in the United States, particularly natural gas. The high cost of nuclear power has led to a significant decline in the construction of new plants—with just one plant, Watts Bar 2, entering commercial operation in the past 20 years.’

          Bulletin of the atomic scientists / 2019

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          el gordo

          It seems that Chinese nuclear construction is cheaper than European builds, but that is obviously state run organisations reducing the price. Scroll through this and convince me that nuclear has a future.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics_of_nuclear_power_plants

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      yarpos

      I wonder what John Monash would have done? if only his kind were about today

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    dinn, rob

    good news , what! ——1-27-20 https://www.jqknews.com/news/369747-Antiviral_spray_developed_by_Shanghai_public_health_clinical_center_has_been_put_into_use.html
    this antiviral spray has designed two active components, which can inhibit virus replication, inflammation and mucosal repair respectively. According to reports, coronavirus, influenza virus, Zika virus, HIV, etc. are all RNA viruses. Xu Jianqings research group has successfully verified the influenza virus and Zika virus in vitro and animal models. When the two active ingredients are used together, even if the lethal dose of influenza virus is used to attack the mouse attack model, the effective protection rate can reach 100%. Human to human transmission is unlikely to reach this lethal dose, and the coronavirus is more sensitive to one of our active components than influenza and Zika viruses, so this spray may be more effective against coronavirus. Xu Jianqing said. Can people buy this effective antiviral spray? We have just contacted the manufacturers to see if we can expand the scale of production. They promised to put into production as soon as possible, but they can only deliver in batches, as soon as February 7. According to reports, because this spray needs a certain production process, it cannot be mass produced in a short period of time, and can only be supplied to front-line medical staff at present. The manufacturer only produces the API, and the research group also needs to prepare the can in sterile environment according to the use concentration. Generally speaking, there are no four or five years without new drug approval. I hope that relevant departments can open the green channel for approval as soon as possible. We can only buy the atomizing inhalation bottle needed for spray from e-commerce. We hope that some enterprises can cooperate with us, so that front-line medical staff can have better occupational protection. Source: Shangguan news editor in charge: Zhou Xinyi, nb12002
    ………………………………..…..
    1-28-20 SHANGHAI (CHINA DAILY/ASIA NEWS NETWORK) – A new broad-spectrum antivirus spray has been put into use at the emergency wards of Shanghai Public Health Clinical Centre, protecting medical staff from the new coronavirus.
    Medical employees can use the antivirus spray before entering the quarantine area. They would open their mouths to breathe in the spray, and let the medicine access their respiratory tract, providing bioactive protection against infection. It is used alongside the biohazard suits and masks.
    The new medicine was developed by a group of scientists of the emerging and recurring epidemic research institute at the Shanghai Public Health Clinical Centre. According to Professor Xu Jianqing, head of the institute, his team spent more than six years developing the new drug for the treatment of infectious diseases in the respiratory tract. The drug has proven effective on animal models, reached the criterion for clinical use, and passed the GMP (Good Manufacturing Practice) standard.
    The drug has proven effective against the new coronavirus, Prof Xu told The Paper, a Shanghai-based news portal. The spray has played a positive role in the treatment of early-stage infections, he said. However, the new medicine has not yet acquired the licence for market approval, so it cannot be legitimately used for the clinical treatment of patients. It is now used on only medical staff at the Shanghai Public Health Clinical Centre.
    The new spray contains two active ingredients, Prof Xu said. One restrains the duplication of the virus and the other controls the process of the virus causing illness in people. The virus made people sick by causing inflammation, he explained. The active ingredients can suppress the inflammation and repair the respiratory tract mucosa.
    https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/wuhan-virus-new-antivirus-spray-used-in-shanghai-emergency-wards

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    dinn, rob

    A new broad-spectrum antivirus spray has been put into use at the emergency wards of Shanghai
    https://aumladder.blogspot.com/2020/02/a-new-broad-spectrum-antivirus-spray.html

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    AndyG55

    Interesting look at UAH North Pole since 2000

    https://i.postimg.cc/J050xMy6/UAH-No-Pol-2000-2020.png

    Effect of 2015/16 El Nino is obvious, but now its all but gone.

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    PeterS

    Tom Connell on Sky News was shown to be a complete fool when Malcolm Roberts had a heated exchange about the lack of real evidence that human induced CO2 is or is not causing global warming. Someone at Sky News should tap Tom on the shoulder and tell him to stop being an idiot.

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      el gordo

      Can’t find the transcript, could you give me the gist of the interview?

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        PeterS

        Sure. Roberts detailed the downsizing of the Stephenson screens adopted by BOM has been shown to introduce an upward bias in temperature readings. He stated there are politicians who have questioned BOM’s methods, such as Craig Kelley but Tom kept on rejecting it all. It went on and on. Tom face got so rattled his face turned red. I’ve recorded much of it so I will play it back and describe more later.

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          el gordo

          Thanks, Tom is a millennial and should be put on notice.

          The problem we have, is explaining complex issues. So methinks its best to avoid talking about temperatures or an audit, instead we need to start talking about water vapour because the data is uncorrupted.

          The mongrels have us in a bind with temperatures, no use pleading adjustments and dodgy practice, only ridicule will follow. Ideally we need someone like the articulate and witty Nigel Farrage, able to grow a movement from scratch.

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          el gordo

          Here is an example of how this other greenhouse gas maybe the dominant forcing mechanism.

          https://watervaporandwarming.blogspot.com

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    pat

    Julie Bishop makes low-key entrance as ANU’s first female chancellor
    By political reporter Stephanie Borys
    4000 ANU students stranded in China over coronavirus fears
    Canberra Times – 7 Feb 2020 by Kirsten Lawson
    The loss of students will have an impact through the Canberra economy – not only on halls of residence, but also on landlords, retailers and other businesses.
    The Australian National University said it has established that about 1000 of its Chinese students are already in Australia, with classes starting in a fortnight. About 4000, or 80 per cent of the cohort, are stuck in China…

    6 Feb: Guardian: Julie Bishop: Coalition should lead world on climate despite ‘missteps’ on bushfires
    Chancellor of Australian National University puts experts at government disposal to provide ‘evidence-based’ solutions
    by Paul Karp
    Australia “needs action on several fronts” following a catastrophic bushfire season, including leading international efforts against climate change and cutting emissions beyond the electricity sector, Julie Bishop has said….
    The former foreign minister and deputy Liberal leader started the ANU role in January but has postponed an event marking her appointment as the university responds to the outbreak of coronavirus and extreme weather including bushfires in the Australian Capital Territory and damage from a hailstorm…

    “ANU has climate change expertise, we have expertise in bushfire recovery, 300 climate scientists across seven colleges and 25 schools.
    “We have the climate change institute, headed up by Mark Howden who’s on the intergovernmental climate change panel.
    “As a national university we have a responsibility to the Australian community to deliver evidence-based solutions … to the myriad consequences from these catastrophic events.”…

    Bishop listed among other priorities for the ANU to equip students and graduates for the fourth industrial revolution and disruption of traditional work, and to gain greater international recognition for the university.

    Since retiring from politics at the 2019 election Bishop has also taken a role on the board of foreign aid contractor Palladium which she insists is not a breach of ministerial standards, which ban ministers lobbying on “any matters on which they have had official dealings” in the previous 18 months.
    https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2020/feb/06/julie-bishop-coalition-should-lead-world-on-climate-despite-missteps-on-bushfires

    In-Depth – ABC News – 6 hours ago
    The world’s worst air quality blanketed Canberra on the same day former foreign minister Julie Bishop took on her new role, an ominous sign, she said, of what was to come.
    More toxic smoke, bushfires, a hail storm and the threat of coronavirus have followed, creating problems for many, including the Australian National University (ANU), of which Ms Bishop is now the first female chancellor.
    Dozens of buildings damaged by hail will take months to repair, and thousands of Chinese students are stuck overseas due to coronavirus-induced travel restrictions…
    It’s placed the Government’s climate change policy under immense scrutiny, with the Prime Minister adamant that Australia will “meet and beat” its international commitments for emissions reductions…
    “I believe that we have a responsibility as an industrialised developed nation with one of the highest standards of living in the world, we have a responsibility to be a leader in the international debate on climate change, its impact and what we can do about it,” she said…
    “We have expertise in climate science, we have about 300 researchers who have expertise in this area,” she said…
    “And of course, our research, our advice, our data, our analysis is available to the Federal Government when it looks at the bushfire recovery response and what Australia needs to do in the future to mitigate against such occurrences.”…
    The Prime Minister’s performance in the peak of the bushfire crisis was questioned by the Opposition in Parliament this week…
    Asked to reflect on Mr Morrison’s response to the bushfires, Ms Bishop had little to offer on the man who defeated her in a leadership ballot after Malcolm Turnbull’s demise in 2018.
    “I think he’s done the best that he was able to do,” she said…

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      pat

      Julie Bishop says climate change has been ‘weaponised’ in in Australian politics
      The Sydney Morning Herald – 14 hours ago by Jordan Baker
      Ms Bishop said Australia has been on the front line of extreme weather events and climate change, and it has “given many people cause for reflection”…
      “…I do regret that the National Energy Guarantee did not become government policy, I believe it was an elegant solution.
      “It was agnostic on how renewable or other forms of energy would be produced, as long as it was lower in price and accessible 24/7 and met our emissions reduction targets. I believe the National Energy Guarantee would do that.”…

      Bishop urges unis to step up climate advocacy
      The Australian Financial Review – 14 hours ago by Robert Bolton
      Former Liberal Party deputy leader Julie Bishop wants one of Australia’s leading universities to take a more active role advising the government on climate change
      The former foreign affairs and education minister and new chancellor of the Australian National University said the ANU had a greater role to play in making policymakers come to terms with climate change…
      “…ANU is able to present objective research and analysis and we have a job to educate and inform public opinion. There’s so much at stake in C0² removal.”…
      ANU vice-chancellor Brian Schmidt last month told the World Economic Forum in Davos that for 20 years universities had climate science and consensus on their side and he was proud ANU was leading the Global Alliance of Universities on Climate.
      Ms Bishop said she agreed with Professor Schmidt because universities needed to guide policy towards a “more prosperous and sustainable future”.
      “ANU has a Centre for Excellence on Climate Change. We have 300 climate specialists,” she said…

      ‘I’m offering our experts’: Julie Bishop assumes ANU role amid bushfire crisis
      Canberra Times – 6 Feb 2020 by Kirsten Lawson
      Ms Bishop, known for accessorising a mood, dressed in sparkling celebration stilettos as she posed in front of the portraits of chancellors past – each one of them a man…
      Ms Bishop wants the ANU to play a big role in the bushfire response, including in recovery and future-proofing, and in the national climate debate – and said she had offered the know-how of the ANU’s 300 climate experts to the government.
      “I’m certain the Prime Minister has reflected on recent events and I’m sure he will learn from any missteps and will respond according to the best possible advice,” she said. “That’s why I’m offering our experts in a whole range of areas.”…
      Ms Bishop was deputy Liberal leader under Malcolm Turnbull, who is now waging a social-media and speaking war against the Coalition on climate…

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        pat

        The Ex-Politicians Are Piling In Thick And Fast On Scott Morrison’s Bushfire Catastrophe
        But do they have valid points, or are they simply just trying to rewrite their own legacy? by Brad Nash
        GQ – 15 Jan 2020
        From Kevin ’07 to Malcolm Turnbull, Julie Bishop to Julie Gillard, the time is rife for a political pile-on.
        Of course, none of what we’re about to say is to insinuate that Scott Morrison, in all the spectacular displays of incompetence he’s shown over the last three months or so, hasn’t done anything to deserve the dragging he’s gotten in the majority of global mainstream media. He has. In fact, we’re all too happy to join in…
        Put simply, when you have Malcolm Turnbull slating you in a Guardian op-ed, you know things are pretty bad…
        Julie Bishop
        The ex-foreign minister still remains an influential figure in Liberal politics, and she wasn’t afraid to take a swipe at Morrison in late December, shortly after he departed on a much-publicised holiday to Hawaii. “The Prime Minister is testing the theory that the best way to resolve a crisis is to be as far away from it as possible,” she told the crowd at a gathering of party members. “She smashed him,” a senior MP noted to the Sydney Morning Herald…

        An ‘absolutely seminal moment’: climate change opinion shifting in face of fires
        SMH – 10 Jan 2020 – By Deborah Snow
        Social researcher Rebecca Huntley began to detect a shift in the way Australians felt about their summers while working with focus groups about 18 months ago.
        “There was a sense that summer was not necessarily a relaxing time for Australians anymore,” she says. “They were worried about crazy temperatures, high electricity prices, about whether Nan was going to put on the aircon … A lot of people were recognising that Australian summers were not just the old summers of icy poles and running around outside and novels any more, and the community were kind of getting it, even though no one had a premonition it would get this bad.”…
        Former foreign affairs minister Julie Bishop stepped into the ring this week, telling Nine’s Today show blah blah…

        Can the catastrophic fires bring some sanity to Australian climate politics?
        “It might be a moment.” By Michelle Crowther
        Vox – 10 Jan 2020
        Former Foreign Minister Julie Bishop was blunt when interviewed about the fires on breakfast television (Ch9′a Today) this week, saying, “Australia is a highly developed country. … If a country like Australia fails to show leadership (on climate change), we can hardly blame other nations for likewise not showing leadership in this area.”…
        Polls show overwhelming support for decisive climate action…

        former Liberal adviser has a plan:

        10 Jan: The New Daily: It’s time for sane Liberals to tell their party’s deniers the climate has changed
        by Paula Matthewson
        https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/national/2020/01/10/liberal-deniers-hold-morrison-to-ransom/

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      AndyG55

      Basically EVERYONE from ANU could be described as RABID CLIMATE ACTIVISTS rather than a realistic evidence based academics.

      They would not hold positions there for long, if they were not.

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    Denial is at the heart of PM Scott Morrison’s delusional refusal to treat the cancer of climate change
    The New Daily – 9 Jan 2020 by David Shearman, Emeritus Prof of Medicine at Adelaide Uni
    The leadership of this government must be changed. The choice is difficult but someone in the Coalition might have a biblical revelation and call for the skills and leadership of a Julie Bishop…

    Julie Bishop calls for Australia to ‘show leadership’ on climate change in wake of the bushfire crisis
    news.com.au – 5 Jan 2020 by Sam Clench
    “Australia is a highly developed country. We should be showing leadership on the issue of climate change,” said Ms Bishop.
    “I attended a number of international conferences, and countries do look to Australia for direction, for guidance, for leadership. And I believe we should be showing leadership on the issue of climate change.
    “At the international conferences, Australia should be putting forward a cogent, coherent case for an energy policy. We don’t have a national energy policy in this country and a national approach to climate change, so we are part of a global effort…
    Far from leading the rest of the world on climate change, Australia has been accused of dragging its feet…
    The key to greater action may be found in places like Cobargo, where the Prime Minister got such a hostile reception last week…
    For now though, the Prime Minister has given no indication he will change his approach.

    News Analysis: What’s behind spread of Australian bushfires?
    Xinhua – 9 Jan 2020
    The vastness of the country as well as its climate including heat and lack of rainfall have surely been a major cause of the spread of the devastating fire (bushfires)…
    At the end of last year when firefighters were busying combating the bushfires, Australian people found their Prime Minister Scott Morrison “disappeared.” There was news that he went to Hawaii for holiday…
    Despite several demonstrations across Australia in the past, Morrison has repeatedly ruled out pursuing more ambitious climate change policies than those Australia has already committed to.
    “Australia is a highly developed country,” said former foreign minister Julie Bishop. “If a country like Australia fails to show leadership, we can hardly blame other nations for not likewise showing leadership in this area.”…

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    pat

    as MSM doesn’t want to mention the actual number of new car sales in 2019, here it is:

    Car Advice: Australia’s 2019 new car sales tally…Self-reported Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries data counted 1,062,867 new vehicles sold.
    https://www.caradvice.com.au/817278/vfacts-2019-new-car-sales-results/

    6 Feb: Guardian: Electric vehicle sales ***triple in Australia as sales of combustion engine cars fall 8%
    Despite the strong growth over 2019, electric vehicles still only represent 0.6% of total sales
    by Adam Morton
    The Electric Vehicle Council says 6,718 full electric and hybrid plug-in vehicles were sold in 2019, up from 2,216 the year before…
    The release of the industry group data follows Britain this week announcing it would ban new petrol, diesel and hybrid cars from 2035…

    “The good news is that the number of Australians buying EVs is surging despite a lack of government incentives or support,” the council’s chief executive, Beyhad Jafari, said. “The bad news is that even with this strong growth, EVs still only represent 0.6% of sales. That compares poorly with 3.8% of sales in Europe and 4.7% of sales in China.”…

    But the (Australian) government has promised its own national EV strategy, to be finalised by the middle of the year, and government agency data has forecast that half the new cars sold will be electric by 2035 even if there is no policy to support their uptake…

    Jafari estimated if Australia offered similar incentives as Europe and China there would be 50,000 new EVs on Australian roads….
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/feb/06/electric-vehicle-sales-triple-in-australia-as-sales-of-combustion-engine-cars-fall-8

    6 Feb: CleanTechnica: Sales Of Gasoline & Diesel Cars Fall In Australia As Sales Of EVs Rise
    by Steve Hanley
    According to The Guardian, that country’s Electric Vehicle Council claims 6,718 fully electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles were sold in 2019. That’s up from 2,216 in 2018, and while the total numbers are small, they represent a more than threefold increase year over year. That’s despite a total lack of incentives for electric cars or for EV charging infrastructure in the country. But here’s the interesting thing: Sales of gasoline- and diesel-powered cars fell 7.8% over the same period…

    In fact, in a poll conducted last spring by the Australia Institute (LINK), 50% of Australians said they would be in favor of half the cars sold in Australia being electric by 2025…

    The message is clear. In order to keep pace with the rest of the world, Australians need to kick Morrison and his fossil fuel soaked cronies to the curb and elect a real leader, one who will drive the country forward into the future rather than shackling it solidly to the past.
    https://cleantechnica.com/2020/02/06/sales-of-gasoline-diesel-power-cars-falls-in-australia-as-sales-of-evs-rise/

    5 Feb: UK Express: Motoring industry attacks plans to ban petrol and diesel cars by 2035 after metal concerns
    A PROPOSED ban on petrol and diesel car sales from 2035 has been attacked by a range of motoring experts spoken to by Express.co.uk.
    By Luke Chillingsworth
    In the most shocking claim, some experts predict the ban could lead to a shortage of key metals such as cobalt.
    The group said the risk of supply shortages has not been considered by the government and warned generating extra supplies can take up to ten years…

    Brian Menell, CEO of TechMet: “With a dramatic rise in sales of EVs due to this ban, we risk a dramatic shortfall in supply resulting in a spike in the price of these metals that will impact both the auto manufacturers and the consumer.”…
    Research from the European Commission revealed demand for cobalt resources would exceed demand by 2025.
    They revealed 65 percent of the overall demand for the metal in 2030 would be needed to run the electric vehicle market.
    Experts are so concerned a team of scientists wrote to the Committee on Climate Change last summer warning of implications for natural resources if electric vehicles become mainstream by 2050…

    Close Brothers Motor Finance told Express.co.uk they are predicting a loss of petrol and diesel vehicles would cause havoc for car dealerships.
    They said concerns amongst motorists about the electric car market would have a major knock-on effect for dealers who would struggle to understand when to change stock at the forecourts…

    However, green charities have dramatically supported the move and were already pushing for the government to announce more ambitious targets.
    Environmental pressure group Green Alliance said the ban should be moved forward to 2030 to push manufacturers to boost production of electric cars…

    Speaking to Express.co.uk, Chaitanya Kumar, head of climate change and energy at Green Alliance said: “Charging infrastructure for electric vehicles is crucial but industry and government are investing billions of pounds already. From 1,000 charge points in 2011 we have now reached 30,000…
    https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/1237786/petrol-diesel-car-ban-electric-dft

    behind paywall:

    4 Feb: UK Telegraph: It’s a bumpy road to Boris Johnson’s electric car dream
    The UK must learn from countries such as Norway to encourage people into electric vehicles
    By Alan Tovey
    Consistent policymaking from the Oslo government is behind the popularity of zero-emission motoring, according to Prof David Bailey, a car industry expert at Birmingham University. “In Norway EV drivers can use bus lanes, parking is often free, there are tax breaks on the cars, and the infrastructure is there to support it,” he says. “It’s the joined-up thinking needed to get people to buy EVs.”…
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2020/02/04/bumpy-road-electric-cars-2035/

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      hatband

      Electric Vehicles are a dud.

      The only way this makes any sense is if Government is intending to end private ownership

      of cars, and the EV Promo is just part of an eventual Bait & Switch.

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        why do I doubt Joe’s Mercedes Convertible is an EV?

        VIDEO: 45s: 6 Feb: WPXI: Fountain of youth: 107-year-old Florida man drives red convertible, has fiancee
        by Cox Media
        SARASOTA –
        Joe Newman, who made a bid for Congress in Sarasota when he turned 100, runs a discussion group at his senior facility. Keeping up with current events keeps him going, he told WFLA.
        “It is my contention that mental exercise is just as important as physical exercise,” the centenarian told WFLA. “Just getting out of bed in the morning and figuring out something to do that is worth doing the next day and that is it.”…

        He spends time with his fiance, Anita Sampson, 99. They have yet to set a wedding date.
        “We are waiting for my fiancée’s mother’s permission,” Newman told WFLA. “Of course, we have had trouble getting an answer but we will wait.”

        He can also be seen behind the wheel of his red Mercedes convertible that he bought from his podiatrist.
        Newman said drivers over 100 years old should be tested before being able to renew their license.
        “I might be concerned if they were allowing people in mass over 100 to drive a car. You should have to come in and show you can drive or examine me and my driving every six months or every year,” Newman told WFLA.
        Newman’s license expires in 2022…
        https://www.wpxi.com/news/trending/fountain-youth-107-year-old-florida-man-drives-red-convertible-has-fiancee/C7ZWBJHR35H5ZOA3AS4V234YNY/

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        Graeme Bird

        When we have Uranium-enhanced Thorium, maybe not in time for you or for me, as Stevie Wonder says …. then it will become clear that hydrocarbon liquids are the best battery. The best way to take thorium heat and electricity and imbed that energy into organic matter for its enhancement. One day at Christmas-time.

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      yarpos

      Gee a whopping 4% in the heartland of EV fever, and thats what they aspire to. Cant see that getting much sales focus at the dealership. Just follow Tesla and sell online to the faithfull.

      I love the way people keep throwing up Norway as some ideal example. They have a unique set advantages in their energy sources, and that of their neighbours. They also have the luxury of selling oil to the world through their sovereign wealth fund to fund their whims while preaching green virtue.

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    100% of Iowa finally published minutes ago. still a shambles, but Buttigieg & Sanders will, apparently, receive 10 delegates each:

    6 Feb: USA Today: Pete Buttigieg and Bernie Sanders in a near tie, with 100% of results in – updates
    by Barbara Rodriguez, Joey Garrison, Maureen Groppe, Martina Stewart and Annah Aschbrenner
    The complete results, which were long-delayed after Monday’s caucuses, show Buttigieg, the former South Bend, Indiana, mayor, with 26.198% of delegate equivalents and Bernie Sanders with 26.128%, late Thursday evening…

    The head of the national Democratic Party has already demanded the results be recanvassed. That demand, plus potential errors in the count, mean that the results may not be final and will likely be disputed.

    AP says it is unable to declare a winner in the Iowa Democratic caucuses
    The Associated Press on Thursday evening announced it is unable to declare a winner in the Iowa Democratic caucuses.
    “The Associated Press calls a race when there is a clear indication of a winner. Because of a tight margin between former Mayor Pete Buttigieg and Sen. Bernie Sanders and the irregularities in this year’s caucus process, it is not possible to determine a winner at this point,” said Sally Buzbee, AP’s senior vice president and executive editor…

    Just hours before AP’s decision, Sanders declared himself the winner during a press conference in New Hampshire at his campaign headquarters.
    “That screw-up has been extremely unfair to the people of Iowa, it has been unfair to all of the candidates and all of their supporters,” Sanders told reporters. “So what I want to do, three days late, is thank the people of Iowa for the very strong victory they gave us Monday night.”…
    …Sanders continues to lead in raw vote totals, which he has since results started coming in Tuesday…
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/02/06/iowa-caucus-results-pete-buttigieg-bernie-sanders-close-delegate-race/4675289002/

    announcing the above, Tucker Carlson/Fox mockingly said funny how the McKinsey guy always seems to win!

    15 Nov 2019: Buzzfeed: Pete Buttigieg’s Work At McKinsey Is A Secret
    Buttigieg’s campaign says it has reached out to the company about the possibility of being released from a confidentiality agreement, but the mayor has so far stayed quiet.
    by Henry J. Gomez
    For nearly three years, he worked at McKinsey & Company, an elite management consulting firm with offices around the world. It was work that took him, he has said, to Iraq and Afghanistan. And for years after that, in his early campaigns for public office, Buttigieg held up his stint at McKinsey as a selling point and proof that he was a business-friendly Democrat, while only vaguely describing what he did and never revealing his clients.

    A deeper understanding of his time there a decade ago would be relevant to evaluating the 37-year-old mayor of South Bend, Indiana, who’s now trying to prove he has the experience to be president. But Buttigieg continues to keep most details a secret, citing a confidentiality agreement. He also now describes the job — which informed his views on business issues — as “not something that I think is essential in my story.”…
    Other White House contenders have seen their private sector work scrutinized…
    Buttigieg has in the past described his time at McKinsey, which followed a Harvard education and a Rhodes scholarship at the University of Oxford, as a sort of finishing school…
    McKinsey consultants are now delivering for him: Its employees have donated more to him than to any other Democrat running for president…READ ON
    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/henrygomez/pete-buttigieg-mckinsey

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    Chad

    Julie Bishop….

    “If a country like Australia fails to show leadership, we can hardly blame other nations for not likewise showing leadership in this area.”…

    If you are going to lead,…you had better be VERY sure you know the right direction to go !
    …or we will all just be further uo Shp Creek !

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      AndyG55

      And you can absolutely bet that the direction the psychophantic Julie Bishop wants to go,

      … will be pretty much diametrically opposite of the direction we should be going.

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    WXcycles

    Off-the-charts jetstream occurring presently over Eastern Canada.

    It reached 412 km/h in the observations at ~12 midnight AEST last night, and is going to get much stronger for at least another three days, of above ~400 km/h winds!

    *** VIEW THIS IMAGE ***

    440 km/h jetstream is forecast tomorrow at 9AM (AEST), Saturday, 8th Feb, 2020:

    https://i.ibb.co/p4T5Xbm/1a-440-kmh-jetstream-forecast-for-9-AM-AEST-Sat-8th-Feb-2020-tomorrow-Screenshot-2020-02-07-Windy-as-forecasted-2.png

    As you can see, this jet is unlike anything I’ve posted so far. It’s on a whole new level of energy flow. That’s by far the strongest jetstream forecast that I’ve seen. This one is 28 km/h faster than the fastest of those jets. This jet strengthened above 400 km/h yesterday and will continue over eastern Canada and the North Atlantic for an incredible 4 days with its winds remaining at or above 400 km/h. I’ve not seen any earlier jets do something like this. It finally drops back to ~375 km/h in the forecast as it moves over southern England and France, in about 4 days.

    The jetstream forecast for tomorrow morning is ~82 km/h faster than the fastest US jetstream speed, recorded by an aircraft, up until Feb 2019, which record maximum was only 358 km/h!

    That is 23% faster than the record jet speed from just one year ago! … Let that sink in.

    You’d think meteorologists would be noticing and asking incisive questions in public debates about how this can suddenly be occurring within the global jetstream flows! You’d also think the stunning emergence of not one but two (allegedly not possible) equatorial-jetstreams would also be making their eyes bug-out. And you would likewise think that the mass air movements streaming from south the north, across the equator, toward the colder hemisphere in the upper-levels today, would also be ringing their collective bell. You’d also particularly think that jetstream speed forecasts in the 412 km/h range, south of Australia and New Zealand, during mid-Summer, would have them running around in circles with their hair on fire!

    After all, it’s just ~200 km/h faster than it should be within mid-Summer!

    But you’d be wrong, they’re all asleep at the switch. The blinkered are leading the blind on a mission to admire the Emperor’s spiffy imaginary new garments.

    What stunning professional cowardice this is! At best they’re missing-in-action, last seen blowing their collective foot off. Western public meteorology agencies are a disgrace. How can they not see this? And if they do see it (and of course they do) how can they not report it, so that all interested scientists can study it with every possible sensor, as it’s occurring?

    I can not sufficiently express how disgusting and spineless that is. You worms! This is where the words, “How dare you!”, find their proper usage.

    They’re literally just ignoring it and feigning and foisting ignorance of it, just letting it slip by and hoping it goes away in a few months. Nice!

    But 0.0% relative-humidity air, that is clearly sinking-stratosphere, which is falling down to 3,000 ft over a hot tropical Summer ocean basin, is not a mere tropospheric blip! The punctuated dynamic effect on the jetstream is getting much stronger.

    The implied increase in tropospheric energy redistribution and rise is non-linear!

    At this point I’m wondering just what it will take to get them to snap-out-of-it, or are these ‘meteorologists’ and the affiliated IPCC-Climate-Quacks™ even interested in the ‘science’ and observations? It looks like they aren’t. Where’s the CO2 hot-sauce salsa for this here UN Climate-Change™ Burrito?

    It’s the wrong narrative! It’ll totally mess-up the alleged ‘consensus’ and the papers! And the intellectual cowards must not lose their places at the funding swill troughs.

    But this non-linear energy rise is currently in the process of adjusting the atmosphere and oceans, and our ‘weather’ gradients are all going to be steepening if this continues.

    https://i.ibb.co/wcbbQM8/1-Screenshot-2020-02-07-Windy-as-forecasted-2.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/VW8J12m/2-Screenshot-2020-02-07-Windy-as-forecasted-3.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/P9DFKvk/3-Screenshot-2020-02-07-Windy-as-forecasted-1.png

    https://i.ibb.co/0hT0GVX/4-Screenshot-2020-02-07-Windy-as-forecasted-4.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/FbD0HQN/5-Screenshot-2020-02-07-Windy-as-forecasted-5.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/TbCn3m6/6-Screenshot-2020-02-07-Windy-as-forecasted-6.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/KVbDByG/7-Screenshot-2020-02-07-Windy-as-forecasted-7.jpg

    https://i.ibb.co/VqSCJC4/8-Screenshot-2020-02-07-Windy-as-forecasted-8.jpg

    The last two show some of the association with the intruding sunken stratospheric air that’s steepening all tropospheric upper and mid-level gradients, and increasing the energy level of resulting mid-level weather. It’s just a matter of time until the impact of this general global gradient increase periodically makes its way down to the surface level weather, with more tangible events and trends emerging.

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    el gordo

    Blocking highs are a force majeure.

    https://www.weatherzone.com.au/synoptic.jsp?d=0

    The jet stream snake around them?

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    pat

    6 Feb: BBC: Climate change: Clean tech ‘won’t solve warming in time’
    by Roger Harrabin
    Breakthrough technologies such as carbon capture and hydrogen cannot be relied on to help the UK meet its climate change targets, a report says…
    But the report’s authors say (LINK Absolute Zero report, 31 pages) ministers should assume that neither carbon capture and storage (CCS) nor hydrogen will be running “at scale” by 2050.
    They say the government must start a debate on other, controversial steps.
    These actions, which they say would need to be implemented in the near-term, include cutting down on flying and eating red meat…

    The new technology report comes from a government-funded consortium of academics from Cambridge, Oxford, Nottingham, Bath and Imperial College London.
    It’s being debated in the Lords on Thursday. The debate’s sponsor, ***Baron Browne of Ladyton, said it carries important messages that should be heard…

    It says to close the remaining energy gap, we could make incremental changes to the way we use technologies – such as buying smaller cars rather than SUVs.
    Another option is to take the train instead of the car, or put more passengers in fewer cars (ride sharing).
    Yet another possibility is to only heat rooms where people are sitting, and swap gas boilers for heat pumps when they need to be changed…
    It says the two outstandingly difficult areas to de-carbonise are shipping and cement manufacture…
    https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-51389404

    ***Wikipedia: Des Browne
    Desmond Henry Browne, Baron Browne of Ladyton, PC is a British Labour Party politician who was the Member of Parliament (MP) for Kilmarnock and Loudoun from 1997 to 2010. He was a member of the Cabinet of the United Kingdom under Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, until the latter moved him from both Defence and Scottish Secretary in 2008…

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    pat

    5 Feb: Nat’lCatholicRegister Blog: Population Control Advocate Jeffrey Sachs Attacks Trump Administration at Vatican Gathering
    Speaking at a Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences event, Sachs claimed the U.S. is operating with ‘thuggery’ and ‘complete lawlessness,’ and warned President Trump’s re-election would be ‘absolutely dangerous.’
    by Edward Pentin
    Sachs, a regular participant at the academy and a papal adviser on sustainable development despite his support for population control, told delegates at the Vatican conference on fostering new economic forms of solidarity that the Trump administration is operating with “complete lawlessness,” blocking “every multilateral initiative” since 2017.

    To the visible delight of Bishop Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo, chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, who was seated next to him, Sachs said multilateralism is not under threat per se in most of the world, but it is “under threat because of the United States.”

    The chief architect of the U.N.’s Sustainable Development Goals and a strong supporter of Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders, who wrote the foreword to Sachs’ 2017 book Building the New American Economy: Smart, Fair, and Sustainable, Sachs told the delegates that the U.S. used to be “the predominant economic and technological power for decades” but added this was “no longer the case.”…

    Sachs, who has also been allied with radical pro-abortion billionaire George Soros and works with the ardently pro-contraception Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, went on to criticize the U.S. for “dismantling the international system” and urged those running global institutions not to be “cowed by bullying” by the current administration, and what he called “relentless US daily pressure on multilateralism.”…

    The other interventions, including from Spain’s socialist deputy prime minister and France’s finance minister, were slanted toward a leftist or globalist perspective, but mostly avoided partisan politics. Instead they dwelled on how to grow a green economy to combat climate change, reform capitalism to make it more equitable, and to restore the ethical foundations of economics…
    https://www.ncregister.com/blog/edward-pentin/sachs-at-vatican

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    pat

    5 Feb: Bloomberg: Wind Turbine Blades Can’t Be Recycled, So They’re Piling Up in Landfills
    Companies are searching for ways to deal with the tens of thousands of blades that
    have reached the end of their lives.
    By Chris Martin
    A wind turbine’s blades can be longer than a Boeing 747 wing, so at the end of their lifespan they can’t just be hauled away. First, you need to saw through the lissome fiberglass using a diamond-encrusted industrial saw to create three pieces small enough to be strapped to a tractor-trailer.

    The municipal landfill in Casper, Wyoming, is the final resting place of 870 blades whose days making renewable energy have come to end. The severed fragments look like bleached whale bones nestled against one another.
    “That’s the end of it for this winter,” said waste technician Michael Bratvold, watching a bulldozer bury them forever in sand. “We’ll get the rest when the weather breaks this spring.”…READ ALL
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-02-05/wind-turbine-blades-can-t-be-recycled-so-they-re-piling-up-in-landfills

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    pat

    the CAGW mob is dangerous:

    6 Feb: Guardian: UK taxpayers funding African fossil fuel projects worth $750m
    Watchdog reveals huge sum ploughed into ‘world’s dirtiest fossil fuels’ despite climate vow
    by Jillian Ambrose
    Global Witness found that a London-based investment group raised $1bn from the UK government over 16 years and spent three-quarters of this supporting oil and gas projects in some of Africa’s poorest countries.
    The Private Infrastructure Development Group (PIDG), which relies on the UK taxpayer for two-thirds of its funding, committed $750m to fossil fuel projects between 2002 and 2018, including recent investments in heavy fuel oil power plants in Senegal and Mali.
    Since then, the group’s investments have included $24m for a gas plant in Togo and $31m for a gas plant expansion project in Ivory Coast…

    Adam McGibbon, a campaigner at Global Witness, said “not a penny of public money” should be used on fossil fuel infrastructure…
    Global Witness said the government should immediately end all fossil fuel investments and commit to using UK taxpayer money solely to fund clean energy…

    The Guardian revealed that more than 90% of the £2bn in energy deals struck at the inaugural UK-Africa summit last month were for fossil fuels, despite the government’s commitment to “support African countries in their transition to cleaner energy”.
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/feb/06/uk-taxpayers-funding-african-fossil-fuel-projects-worth-750m

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    pat

    you gotta give it to ‘em, the CAGW mob sticks together:

    6 Feb: Guardian: Hazard reduction burning had little to no effect in slowing extreme bushfires
    Forest scientists say prescribed burning is best used in a targeted way to help protect assets
    31 ex-fire and emergency bosses say royal commission a waste of time if it doesn’t examine climate change
    by Adam Morton
    (Supported by Limb Family Foundation)
    The University of Melbourne desktop analysis used Rural Fire Service data (LINK) to compare the size and severity of this season’s bushfires area with hazard reduction burns over the past five years. The majority of the area in which there had been prescribed burning had been razed again by bushfire in the past three months.
    Patrick Baker, a professor of silviculture and forest ecology, said the prescribed burning did not “seem to have done much at all” in areas that faced a crowning bushfire that burned the canopy…

    In a statement released on Wednesday night, Greg Mullins, the former NSW fire and rescue commissioner, said: “Climate change has increased fire danger so much that fires now burn freely through areas that have undergone hazard reduction burning recently. I saw fires a metre high burning across mown lawns while fighting fires at Batemans Bay on New Year’s Eve.”

    The current Rural Fire Service commissioner, Shane Fitzsimmons, told the ABC on Wednesday that, while some objected to the description, the ongoing fire crisis was clearly unprecedented. He said no fire season had taken as many lives, destroyed as many homes and burned through a quarter of the state’s forested country across the Great Dividing Range. “The reality is it has been an extraordinary, difficult, damaging, destructive, fatal and tragic fire season, and it is without precedent,” he said…
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/feb/06/hazard-reduction-burning-had-little-to-no-effect-in-slowing-this-summers-bushfires

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      el gordo

      Good one, lets examine climate change.

      A blocking high sitting in the Tasman Sea for weeks on end, exacerbating conditions with hot north westerly winds, was the prime cause of this horrendous bushfire season.

      In the RC we should demand that there be no extensions beyond this point in time, such as ‘its projected that in a warmer world caused by fossil fuels things will only get worse.’ Unproven assumption, supported by the precautionary principle, should not be admissible.

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        Graeme#4

        I’ve been watching a gradual change on the large warm “finger” of water that extends down from India to our SW corner. This finger stayed warm, right from winter through January, and this year we had the return of “normal” hotter summers for December and Ianuary.
        However, this warm water is now breaking up near the SW coast and becoming cooler, so I’m now predicting a cooler late February and March for Perth.
        What’s got me thinking though, is the classic “chicken and egg”. What is the controlling factor – the ocean temps near near our coasts and the associated ocean currents, or the atmospheric conditions that “may” change the ocean temps?

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          Graeme Bird

          I think with the energy its the electrical energy on the way down, and the oceans on the way up. So I would put the oceans in charge in this instance. But then I’d look for what Cycles is saying about any stratospheric action in the area. Since thats a symptom of the electrical energy, and its going to affect energy on the way back up as well.

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    pat

    Rowan, Rita & James are doing their new half-hour Friday night Outsiders program on Sky. they began by discussing how to respond to CAGW alarmists.

    the whole time the news ticker at the bottom of the screen has been focussed on the following Katanning, WA bushfire emergency:

    7 Feb: PerthNow: Bushfire emergency warning issued for Katanning as homes, lives threatened
    A fast-moving, out-of-control and unpredictable bushfire is threatening lives and homes in Katanning.
    A bushfire emergency warning has been issued for people in the vicinity of Great Southern Highway, north of Mills Road and east of Illareen Road.
    Locals need to act immediately to survive…

    Road closures are in place in the area, with Great Southern Highway closed between Trimmer Road and Newstead Road, as well as Trimmer Road between Shenton Road and Great Southern Highway.
    Up to 100 fire fighters are on the scene, with aerial support sent in to assist ground crews…
    https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/disaster-and-emergency/bushfire-emergency-warning-issued-for-katanning-as-homes-lives-threatened-ng-b881456268z

    7 Feb: 9News: AAP: Emergency warning for regional WA bushfire
    Affected residents must leave immediately if the path is clear or prepare to shelter in their homes, the Department of Fire and Emergency Services says…
    Two bushfires are meanwhile threatening lives and homes in Western Australia’s Wheatbelt region.

    A watch and act alert has been issued for parts of Lake King, Lake Camm and Varley in the Lake Grace shire.
    The blaze started near the intersection of Biddy-Camm Road and Fence Road in Lake King on Thursday afternoon…
    Fire conditions have intensified due to a wind change, ahead of a possible thunderstorm later on Friday…
    https://www.9news.com.au/national/emergency-warning-for-regional-wa-bushfire/343fb66c-7a0b-4638-94f6-9daa5382313c

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    michael j muller

    Statistics are a wonderful tool, they will tell you anything you want to hear.
    Because i was bored one day, and i was reading the usual spiel about the USA heating at an alarming rate, I did a small amount of research.
    I looked at the highest and lowest temperature records in the 50 contiguous states of the ole USA.
    So i looked at the decades from 1900 to 20102, and counted how many records highs and lows occyurred in ach decade.
    The results were most surprising.

    For those interested, The date came from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._state_and_territory_temperature_extremesecade Number of record High Temps. Number of record Low Temps
    prior to 1900 0 5
    1900-1909 0 5
    1910-1919 5 3
    1920-1929 2 0
    1930-1939 25 9
    1940-1949 0 4
    1950-1959 3 2
    1960-1969 1 3
    1970-1971 2 2
    1980-1989 4 6
    1990-1999 5 7
    200-20009 0 2
    2010-2019 2 2

    16 of the record high temperatures and 5 of the record low temperatures had been equalled in prior years, but there is no documentation as to what decade the previous records occurred.
    The most obvious and surprising stat is that about half the records occurred in the 1930′s.
    The next obvious is that the highest number of lows also occurred in the 1930′s. Indeed in a couple of cases (Michigan, North Dakota and Oregaon), the record highs and lows occurred in the same year!
    Despite the “hottest evahhh” claims, the last two decades have set more lowest evahh records than highest evahh.
    The two decades from 1980 to 189 had another spurt of both hot and cold temp records.
    There are probably more subtly signals in there that a well trained statistician could extract, but thats not me.
    Mick

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